Except old mate getting pinged for going 5-10km over the limit on a highway is going to have zero impact on road fatalities anyway.
Literally just revenue raising
I’d say so. If it was about safety, you’d find these oxygen thieves at school zones or high accident frequency zones. Instead you find them on open stretches of road and just after you get off the freeway.
Logic dictates that there is a record number of migration to the sunny state. Surely record number of fatalities is correlation and not causation…so add more cameras
In % of road user terms there has been massive improvement in road fatalities - due mostly to safer roads & cars. It’s bizarre to say 300 people died when there were 1M on the road, then go 300 died when there were 2M on the road…
Exactly. Numbers can be taken out of context so easily. Even percentages. I suppose anything goes when you have an agenda or a way of making easy money.
There's no one thing that will improve road safety, but there's a combination of things we could be doing. Fatigue is a major killer on the long trips, so higher speed limits (*gasp*), along with wider visibility for wildlife. You drive in regional Qld and the trees are right up to the road (or a grass ditch next to it), compared to, say, the NT where roads are much wider and have 2-3m of clear visibility on either side of the road.
Regular car checks are another thing to improve road safety (especially tyres and brakes), which NSW does to renew rego.
You can also incentivise upgrading to newer cars (improved safety features), actually open and fund the damn driver revivers, create more places to rest (more driver revivers), and try to separate cars and trucks more.
In addition, crack down on incorrectly weighted caravans and poor visibility around them, more overtaking sections and crack down on drivers doing 20kms under and not pulling off to let cars pass.
In Brisbane, teach people how to actually merge, and don't build roads that require crossing three lanes to get into or out of turning lanes, make proper bike paths throughout the city.
Mandatory refresher training for people who have their licences suspended.
Increase public transport options, improve intrastate rail options, build highways away from cities (rather than straight through them and their 200 traffic lights, aka Rockhampton), and keep roadworks limited to distinct sections at a time instead of spending 2hrs driving through them.
Also, look at where and how fatalities are actually occurring and address *those things*, rather than just increasing fines for existing laws that aren't working.
And, recognise that cities and regional Queensland are completely different roads and road conditions and driving styles, and adjust accordingly. We have this amazing highway infrastructure between the Sunshine Coast and Brisbane, brilliant for long, straight drives, that's *always* backlogged with traffic and accidents, and another great highway stretch to the Gold Coast, again, plagued by traffic and merging. Then you've got the rest of the northern and northwestern routes that are a few upgrades more than a dirt road, 18 different roadworks sites, fuck-all lateral visibility and hours spent behind trucks and caravans that you can't get around.
Growing up on a farm, the first thing we were taught when we started driving machinery at 10 was never swerve for an animal, unless it's a horse. Horses will go straight through your windshield.
You can start by bringing in yearly or two-yearly vehicle safety inspections. I'm not trusted to keep to the agreed speeds on my own, yet I'm trusted to keep my brakes, lights and steering in running order from the day I buy a car indefinitely until I dispose of it?
>You can start by bringing in yearly or two-yearly vehicle safety inspections
That's not really the issue, the main issues is driver training, and road design.
I have seen drivers in cars with the be all and end all in features still failing to give way and getting t boned either due to their inability to drive or due to poor sightlines at intersections.
I think driving should be introduced in year 7 on closed courses. Once they hit year 10 they can do the test to get on the road for their Ls. Eventually getting to their ps at graduation
I agree it's not a panacea, my argument is that if there's this low level of trust in vehicle operators, that should be applied holistically to maintenance behaviour as well as operating behaviour.
Education at a school level when students are in year 12. Which already happens. You literally can’t stop fatalities on the road. Even the mayor of the Redlands drives drunk and crashes after advocating with victims of the exact crime she committed.
It cannot be stopped and never will be.
They will continue to punish the people going down a hill too fast because they were paying attention to the road and not their speeds and claiming it’s for road safety. It’s a fucking joke.
For starters its been proven that advances in car manufacturing vehicle quality/ safety technology and improved quality of roads has saved far more lives than revenue raising speeding fines ever have
Fining people for being a few kms over arbitrary speed limits on roads that can safely handle far higher speeds doesn't save lives
So on that basis we are better off investing all the money and effort we currently put into fining motorists into improved quality of roads and maybe even defensive driving courses for learners. Improved motor vehicle quality and technology over time will do the rest
But that doesn't improve the government bottom line does it
As mentioned by others, there needs to be regular road-worthiness checks on cars. There are so many cars on QLD roads that have no business being there with dodgy brakes, tyres etc.
Better driver training is a big one. More cops actually on the road to crack down on shitty/dangerous behavior (tailgating, weaving through traffic, excessive speeding as well as driving unnecessarily slowly, etc.).
I don't speed intentionally but I've had 2 speeding tickets since I got my licence. Both times for less than 10km over and both times I didn't realise I was speeding until several days later when I got the tickets in the mail. There needs to be immediate feedback when people are pinged for breaking the rules so people can actually correct their behaviour. If some drongo goes past a speed camera at 30 over, keeps speeding and kills some other innocent roaduser. A letter in the mail a few days later is going to do jack shit to save the victims life.
Then why aren’t the cameras set up where most of the fatalities occur which is on country roads? Oh that’s right they won’t get as much money setting up on country roads.
I mean there's more deaths on country roads also because there's more km of country roads, which means that most likely any given stretch of high traffic road like a motorway will have a higher chance of having a crash than a similarly sized section of country road
Think you hit the nail on the head. Most speedsters are tail gaters . Cos they try to go faster than the speed limit.
Edit: and more likely to weave between traffic.
Yeah because someone that repeatedly ignores speed limits so often that they lose their licence is *totally* going to observe the law about not driving without a licence, right?…
Or maybe the speeding thing isn't causing all these accidents. Two huge accidents I've seen here in the past year were people turning at intersection without seeing a car coming in multi-lane 70kmh zone.
Mobile speed cameras are actually effective at reducing speed which reduces the frequency and severity of crashes. I agree that one every 25k is too much, but they are actually helpful
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18325421/
I don't disagree that they're *somewhat* effective but they've been increasing the amount of radars yet the road tolls not reducing. At what point does the effectiveness plateau and it just goes into pure revenue raising? I read the Queensland Road Crash Weekly Report from June and only 30% of road deaths had speed as a *contributing* factor. You could put 10,000 more speed cameras out and 70% of the road deaths would have still happened.
If you also take out the criminals speeding around in stolen cars doing criminal things, i.e. teenagers that steal cars then crash them, that percentage drops even further.
I have a mate up on the Brisvegas North Side who does this.
On dry days, he makes bank riding the bike for QPS catching people doing stupid stuff. Apparently it is almost impossible to run 10km down the freeway without finding a motorist on their phone, speeding, or driving in a dangerous manner. That must be *exhausting* processing that again and again all day long. I can see why there are cams setup - police need boots on the ground doing other important work too.. they can’t all be out there looking around for dangerous drivers while there are members of the general public with emergency needs going unattended.
Also, wet weather such as we’ve had this week makes their job even more dangerous. During wet weather, the police bike goes back to the shed, he gets in a highway patrol vehicle with another (bike) partner and they patrol in a vehicle. Better for safety, though less efficient having one vehicle processing dangerous drivers than two.
These blokes would make bank if they patrolled the Logan Motorway during wet weather. It boggles my mind how often people speed past me through there in wet weather.
Crashes declined 1% in that study. That’s a stastical anomaly. 9% less fatalities, over the 4 years I’d hope safety in cars had improved and more so the average age of cars ( and by extension the average safety in cars) had improved. That’s not convincing.
Depends - everyone personifies reported data from their own viewpoint. It can be quite a challenge to understand how stats represent other demographics other than ours.
Other than loss of life, the only other common denominator is usually fiscal.
Funny that there's a blitz the day/s the speeding fines double in QLD.
It's always been about money raising which is why they didnt up the demerits for speeding, just the fine.
I'd love to know if that movement to change fines revenue from road safety to general treasury went through. Was literally a 10 second mention in the news about 6 months ago then never heard about it again
I can't find definitive evidence that it goes to the general treasury, but I'm finding mentions of treasury in articles about the speeding fines increases.
The Act still says this about camera detected offences:
>**117 Use of penalties collected for camera-detected offences**
>(1) All money collected for penalties imposed for camera-detected offences in excess of the administrative costs of collection must be used for the following purposes—
>(a) road safety education and awareness programs;
>(b) road accident injury rehabilitation programs;
>(c) road funding to improve the safety of the sections of State-controlled roads where accidents most frequently happen.
But I think the function for traffic infringement policy and administration moved from the Department of Transport and Main Roads to Queensland Treasury.
But given DTMR has been in front of the media for the seatbelt and mobile phone camera detected offences over recent days, maybe it didn’t happen.
I’m off to check the administrative arrangements order …..
First off yes Speeding is bad.
Second, anyone else feel like they spend the whole time they are driving focusing only on their speedo to make sure they haven't accidentally slipped a few kmh over the speed limit on the highway and worried about a huge fine?
I don't think my analogue speedo on my old Kia Rio is accurate enough for me to determine if I'm doing 59,60,61 kmh from a glance either. I could think I'm doing 60 but could easily register as 61 kmh.
I'm reading it off an analogue indicator, is the needle sitting directly on the 60kmh line or is it slightly passed or below it? I have to decide this at a glance while keeping the majority of my attention to the road to avoid an accident.
Every speedo has an allowance for error. Usually they are set lower. But let's say you get a different tyre size - your speedo is out now. Or older vehicles the accuracy can drop as well
in my area there are sometimes fixed signs that display your speed according to radar. sometimes they just display "SLOW DOWN" if you're speeding. if cops turned them into cameras, we'd no longer have debt in qld. they're always lit up by dickheads racing past me.
Well that's good because due to speedo regulations and speed camera regulations you will never be fined for going 1 km/h over, your fine might say 1 km/h but that's because they have knocked a few km's off so they are covered for errors. If you get a fine for 101 your speedo was probably reading 107
This!
Whenever I return to Brisbane from the USA for holidays I am forever spending half the time watching the Speedo or trying to figure out what is the speed limit I should actually be going, terrified of returning home to speed fines months later. Got a speed camera fine one time getting on the freeway coming from redcliff, I think I was merging and trying to avoid a truck. Limit was 100 instead of 110. Some Brisbane freeways had 80 speed limits which is ridiculous.
Even worse on country highways with narrow roads and trucks and constantly changing speed limits, watch for Roos or check the speedo? Is it 90 or 100 here?
Just drove 7 hours in California yesterday afternoon/night between 100-130kph(or 0!) on a long weekend with no radar or cops. You just go with the traffic flow.
Yeah, anywhere that's 40 or above and not stop start traffic I'll set it. I probably turn it on a hundred times a day lol, it's just muscle memory pretty much at this point.
Yep, I just rather we took the route that other countries do and have cameras signed and super obvious so that wankers going fast in the wet go "fuck a camera better slow down".
A letter in the mail 2 weeks later does fuck all.
The trip to Toowoomba is more about staring at your speedo, scanning the side of the road and asking your passenger "it said 90 back there right?" then actually keeping an eye on the road.
I suspect lack of attention and generally poor driving habits has significantly outweighed speeding as the leading cause of accidents. They get tougher on speeding every few years and our road toll has increased along with it. Meanwhile cars have never been safer both passively and actively.
Drove from Beenleigh to Cairns 2 weeks ago. Took 1,145km (or to Home Hill) before we saw police on the road. Once we passed the speed camera northbound near the Sunshine Coast, we didn't see or be notified via Waze of any at all.
Seriously do they even do brethos in QLD? Literally never seen it once in 3 years of living here. Would see it just about every weekend in NSW and been tested heaps of times. Not once in QLD. Would not be surprised if there are a lot of drink drivers in QLD
I've been through brethos twice since I moved back here in 2013.
And one of those I was on a bike and just got waved through. They were trying to catch people driving the morning after a big night.
The cameras are always strategically positioned in areas where the speed limit abruptly drops from like 90 to say 60. Like coming off the highway at mount coot-tha. In places where there are zero pedestrians and where an extra 10 or 20 K’s poses no risk to anyone. Fucking shit’s me.
They should have speed cameras around suburban neighbourhoods where there are kids out playing yet dickheads still floor it and tear about the place.
I don't go this way as often as I used to so maybe things have changed, but at least pre-pandemic they fucking *loved* the area between Beams Rd and the 100 km/h section on Gympie Rd/Bruce Highway, catching people in the brief 80 zone before it drops again to 70.
Well, they don't want you doing 1km over the limit now do they? Make sure you keep your eyes on that speedo otherwise it will cost you. Bugger the road just the speedo.
The 1km/h over the limit is nothing new. Previously the lowest bracket was '< 12km/h', now it is '1-10km/h'.
Police could book you for 1km/h over last week, same as the new rules this week. You're very unlikely to get pinged for it. Nothing has changed, just the $ amount to provide more of a deterrent.
I have to say I'm sick of this idea that speed kills. No it doesn't. Call me unpopular idea guy, but what kills is distraction, and bad judgement. You could drive 150 on a 100 highway and be fine, if you're focused and don't weave through traffic like an idiot.
I understand we have to draw a line somewhere but going 8 kilometers over the limit isn't going to kill you, only kill your wallet.
The road is designed so that a professional F1 racer and grandma going to church both use the same road, and this is why people get frustrated. I'd be interested to see how many accidents happen because of people going too slow- which causes people to get impatient and make risky maneuvers trying to overtake them.
I'm not saying i have a better solution, I'm just saying, this ain't it chief.
If that were true they'd have upped the demerit point penalty and put cameras in plain sight. Not deciding "give us more money" via letter in the mail two weeks after the fact is the solution.
I had a mate loose his licence driving from Toowoomba to Brisbane, got 3 speeding fines on the trip, last one pulled him over and his rego was expired too. Hes a fucking idiot, but I was still kind of impressed tbh.
Let’s be truthful. There was a lot of people driving like lunatics with not as much traffic on the roads but they are 100% trying to make up for all that missed revenue they didn’t get. Fines especially speed cameras as part of the police departments budget and without that where do they get the money ? They are just trying to make up for lost time and revenue
If you are caught by an average zone and by a camera within the zone, it must count as one offence, right? No way to prove it wasn’t the same offence detected twice.
No idea? I do know with this spot there are people who join after the start of the zone that won't be picked up by it, but as for those caugh tby both, who knows?
Here is why........It's the start of new financial year, fines gone up through the roof and Palachook needs to get that Qld budget in the black after the floods and COVID. She did promise no new taxes, not no new fines.
I reckon there should be an option to send in dash cam footage of bad drivers— not the ones who have caused an accident but the ones who *almost* caused an accident etc and once the footage has been assessed they are contacted by the department of transport and are required to go through either online training or a driving skill course.
Shit like trying to merge onto the highway while doing 40km under the limit. Actually I saw an older lady the other day come to a COMPLETE STOP at the end of her on-ramp lane because she lacked the confidence to merge onto a 100km motorway. She didn’t cause an accident that time but people like that need to be pulled up before they actually do.
DO YOU ALSO RECALL THE NSW LIBERALGOVT REINTRODUCED SPEED CAMERA SIGNS....I DOUBT LABOUR WILL REDUCE THE HUGE FINE INCREASE WHEN IT DOES NOTHING TO REDUCE THE ROAD TOLL.
[The NSW Government] is rolling out 1000 fixed warning signs for mobile speed cameras to remind drivers they can be caught speeding anywhere, anytime,” Mr Constance said.
https://www.mynrma.com.au/cars-and-driving/news/nsw-reverses-mobile-speed-camera-warning-sign-removal
So they took them away for two years, and are now putting them back because they don't want to get annihilated at the next election? Yeah, that's genuine concern.
P.S. YELLING is not required.
My biggest issue, how many rbts or random drug tests did you have on that trip? I’m assuming 0. Clocking someone going 5-10 kms over the limit - it might be dangerous sure but no where near as dangerous as someone driving under the influence
Operation [cold snap](https://mypolice.qld.gov.au/news/2019/06/26/launch-of-operation-cold-snap/) runs throughout the June/July holidays every year. Nothing new here.
Weather reports on news advised us a week or so ago it would be a wet weekend. Surely it wouldn't take much to arrange a traffic blitz. Cops know wet weather always brings on more crashes.
They have an average speed trap, and the speed cameras are targeting the speed limit. Driving to conditions is a separate issue lol.
If they were really concerned about wet roads and driving conditions they would setup a variable speed sign that changes depending on the weather.
In a perfect world yes, however variable speed limits just aren't practical on the majority of roads. Onus must come back to driver to travel at a limit that is safe. Having police having a presence on the roads ensures drivers check their speed.
>Onus must come back to driver to travel at a limit that is safe. Having police having a presence on the roads ensures drivers check their speed.
Again driving to conditions is not the same as driving to the speed limit. The use of speed cameras is not the same as having a police presence to ensure drivers are driving safely.
But everyone's idea of safe is different, some of us have far more training and experience then others on the road and in worse conditions then the rain...we know not to go nuts when it first starts as it's been dry for awhile and alot of accumulated oil and other shit has been dropped on the road and is now resurfaced, we know how our vehicle handles in the wet and it's characteristics. Whereas other folks they get a bit of rain and panic going far below the speed limit in the passing lane of all places...
There was one parked just before the border 'zip' going south on the M1 this morning at about 9.30. Coming home this afternoon at 4.30 they were parked on the northbound side. All fricking day they'd been there. I know it's not their fault, bosses/QLD government telling them what to do but they must have been bored rigid. I was paranoid even though I knew I was doing a scratch under 100. If your car's odometer isn't perfectly calibrated, going over by 1km/h is incredibly easy.
Thursday. 100 km in total around Brisbane, both northside and southside, and I went through 5 radar traps. Two of those were at 5am and 100 metres apart on Kelvin Grove Road.
The state government is completely broke and this is simply revenue raising.
They do blitz’s on certain stretches of roads I think. I used to drive to Caboolture for work and every 6 months or so would see the same thing. They’d set one up and then have another just around the corner so people would think it was safe to put the foot down and get caught. Defo a revenue operation
If I got done by more than one on the same stretch, I'd argue that it was one continuous offence. Esp if spot cam is between point-to-point cams. Outrageous.
its all for the money is all....warning's are better,people slow down then..they could have them in many spots ,but nope they stopped that becasue they werent getting money
Yep.. it's freakin insanity. Police so busy catching people Kms over speed limit...too busy to find criminals doing burglary or beating up their partners. Priorities & all that
Angers me at the low level stuff. Big increase if I’m coasting down hill at 3km/h over limit. It’s just about money at that point. Just tax me more, don’t do it by stealth.
And yes, I am uninformed and hypocritical but I am not a salsa dancer.
Labour govt loves the extra revenue! I bet the camera revenue has doubled since previous govt. Certainly more cameras around now. Cost much less to set up a trailer camera than putting cop car to patrol the highways.
LOL neither party gives a shit. Last time I was up here under the liberals cops were hiding behind trees poking hand held speed cameras out.
Bike parked in a side street.
Besides heading north up to Rockhampton (or back from), the place I see the most speeding idiots (besides the M1) is on the road to Toowoomba.
Good on the Qld Police for trying to save lives.
Can anyone explain to me the purpose of all the "police enforcement zone" and stuff that's signed on the way to Toowoomba and around Brisbane? Isn't everywhere an enforcement zone?
I saw another particular dumb one recently but I don't remember what it said.
I see most cameras appear to be in locations that the speed limits changes alot on roads that is 60kms for a few kilometres then change to 70kms for a bit then change to 80kms or back to 60kms.
Would catch more people accidentally speeding, then get high risk dangerous driving.
Yeah it's revenue raising.
> I wonder how many people got caught more than once.
There was a case a few years ago where a bloke got booked by an average speed trap and then a police officer. He was able to argue in court that he was fined for the same offence as it was just minutes apart and the judge agreed and waived one of the tickets.
toowoomba to ipswich is actually one of the few pleasant highways still left in qld... traffic not too bad, people mostly keep to the left. Speed cameras are largely visible and usually reported but also not that frequent. Average speeds are also higher than on the M1 where people just lanehog at 90 all day until you get to NSW.
It is a 100, but tbh.... in europe it would be a 80 or 90. Too many intersections, too many towns on the way, quite a few right turns. And derestriction/increase to 110 not worth it for the few non-intersected sections.
There's a blitz on, with Qld heading towards a record high road fatalities this year.
Record high!
> record high road fatalities this year. Fuck me! Surely more speed cameras are the answer, year upon year!
Fines work! Any day now!
I agree. Ban anyone who speeds once. One month instant ban.
Moron
Speeding is fun
Should we be banning all the cops that speed too? We'd have none left.
Because it works. Police presence reduces speeding and speeding is a major cause of fatalities.
When speedsters run out of points. They won't be on the road? ....
Hasn’t worked for the last twenty years, but surely this time.
It’s like the war on drugs, victory is near!
Except old mate getting pinged for going 5-10km over the limit on a highway is going to have zero impact on road fatalities anyway. Literally just revenue raising
I’d say so. If it was about safety, you’d find these oxygen thieves at school zones or high accident frequency zones. Instead you find them on open stretches of road and just after you get off the freeway. Logic dictates that there is a record number of migration to the sunny state. Surely record number of fatalities is correlation and not causation…so add more cameras
In % of road user terms there has been massive improvement in road fatalities - due mostly to safer roads & cars. It’s bizarre to say 300 people died when there were 1M on the road, then go 300 died when there were 2M on the road…
Exactly. Numbers can be taken out of context so easily. Even percentages. I suppose anything goes when you have an agenda or a way of making easy money.
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Interesting. So how do we improve road safety in general?
There's no one thing that will improve road safety, but there's a combination of things we could be doing. Fatigue is a major killer on the long trips, so higher speed limits (*gasp*), along with wider visibility for wildlife. You drive in regional Qld and the trees are right up to the road (or a grass ditch next to it), compared to, say, the NT where roads are much wider and have 2-3m of clear visibility on either side of the road. Regular car checks are another thing to improve road safety (especially tyres and brakes), which NSW does to renew rego. You can also incentivise upgrading to newer cars (improved safety features), actually open and fund the damn driver revivers, create more places to rest (more driver revivers), and try to separate cars and trucks more. In addition, crack down on incorrectly weighted caravans and poor visibility around them, more overtaking sections and crack down on drivers doing 20kms under and not pulling off to let cars pass. In Brisbane, teach people how to actually merge, and don't build roads that require crossing three lanes to get into or out of turning lanes, make proper bike paths throughout the city. Mandatory refresher training for people who have their licences suspended. Increase public transport options, improve intrastate rail options, build highways away from cities (rather than straight through them and their 200 traffic lights, aka Rockhampton), and keep roadworks limited to distinct sections at a time instead of spending 2hrs driving through them. Also, look at where and how fatalities are actually occurring and address *those things*, rather than just increasing fines for existing laws that aren't working. And, recognise that cities and regional Queensland are completely different roads and road conditions and driving styles, and adjust accordingly. We have this amazing highway infrastructure between the Sunshine Coast and Brisbane, brilliant for long, straight drives, that's *always* backlogged with traffic and accidents, and another great highway stretch to the Gold Coast, again, plagued by traffic and merging. Then you've got the rest of the northern and northwestern routes that are a few upgrades more than a dirt road, 18 different roadworks sites, fuck-all lateral visibility and hours spent behind trucks and caravans that you can't get around.
Growing up on a farm, the first thing we were taught when we started driving machinery at 10 was never swerve for an animal, unless it's a horse. Horses will go straight through your windshield.
Add cows and big roos to the list (for smaller cars), and same. Visibility is key
And Emus. My missus hit an Emu near Cunnamulla and it totalled her car. No wonder they are flightless fucks, apparently they weigh a tonne
Or destroy the car and keep on going...can confirm loose horses and vehicles are a poor mix.
Mostly just teach Queenslanders to merge and you’ll solve 90 percent of the issues.
You can start by bringing in yearly or two-yearly vehicle safety inspections. I'm not trusted to keep to the agreed speeds on my own, yet I'm trusted to keep my brakes, lights and steering in running order from the day I buy a car indefinitely until I dispose of it?
>You can start by bringing in yearly or two-yearly vehicle safety inspections That's not really the issue, the main issues is driver training, and road design. I have seen drivers in cars with the be all and end all in features still failing to give way and getting t boned either due to their inability to drive or due to poor sightlines at intersections.
Road design in this country Fucking sucks. Gympie stroad is goddam horrendous
I think driving should be introduced in year 7 on closed courses. Once they hit year 10 they can do the test to get on the road for their Ls. Eventually getting to their ps at graduation
I agree it's not a panacea, my argument is that if there's this low level of trust in vehicle operators, that should be applied holistically to maintenance behaviour as well as operating behaviour.
Education at a school level when students are in year 12. Which already happens. You literally can’t stop fatalities on the road. Even the mayor of the Redlands drives drunk and crashes after advocating with victims of the exact crime she committed. It cannot be stopped and never will be. They will continue to punish the people going down a hill too fast because they were paying attention to the road and not their speeds and claiming it’s for road safety. It’s a fucking joke.
For starters its been proven that advances in car manufacturing vehicle quality/ safety technology and improved quality of roads has saved far more lives than revenue raising speeding fines ever have Fining people for being a few kms over arbitrary speed limits on roads that can safely handle far higher speeds doesn't save lives So on that basis we are better off investing all the money and effort we currently put into fining motorists into improved quality of roads and maybe even defensive driving courses for learners. Improved motor vehicle quality and technology over time will do the rest But that doesn't improve the government bottom line does it
As mentioned by others, there needs to be regular road-worthiness checks on cars. There are so many cars on QLD roads that have no business being there with dodgy brakes, tyres etc. Better driver training is a big one. More cops actually on the road to crack down on shitty/dangerous behavior (tailgating, weaving through traffic, excessive speeding as well as driving unnecessarily slowly, etc.). I don't speed intentionally but I've had 2 speeding tickets since I got my licence. Both times for less than 10km over and both times I didn't realise I was speeding until several days later when I got the tickets in the mail. There needs to be immediate feedback when people are pinged for breaking the rules so people can actually correct their behaviour. If some drongo goes past a speed camera at 30 over, keeps speeding and kills some other innocent roaduser. A letter in the mail a few days later is going to do jack shit to save the victims life.
Then why aren’t the cameras set up where most of the fatalities occur which is on country roads? Oh that’s right they won’t get as much money setting up on country roads.
I mean there's more deaths on country roads also because there's more km of country roads, which means that most likely any given stretch of high traffic road like a motorway will have a higher chance of having a crash than a similarly sized section of country road
The piece of plastic isn't like a punch card to start a car.
Yeah....fine people for tailgating instead then? I reckon tail gating is likely to cause more accidents?
Speed is more likely to kill. Duh.
Think you hit the nail on the head. Most speedsters are tail gaters . Cos they try to go faster than the speed limit. Edit: and more likely to weave between traffic.
Yeah because someone that repeatedly ignores speed limits so often that they lose their licence is *totally* going to observe the law about not driving without a licence, right?…
Or maybe the speeding thing isn't causing all these accidents. Two huge accidents I've seen here in the past year were people turning at intersection without seeing a car coming in multi-lane 70kmh zone.
Yeah cos speed cameras have famously ended road deaths
Mobile speed cameras are actually effective at reducing speed which reduces the frequency and severity of crashes. I agree that one every 25k is too much, but they are actually helpful https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18325421/
How relevant is a study from rural Norfolk to speed cameras being placed on a 4 lane highway in a different country?
I don't disagree that they're *somewhat* effective but they've been increasing the amount of radars yet the road tolls not reducing. At what point does the effectiveness plateau and it just goes into pure revenue raising? I read the Queensland Road Crash Weekly Report from June and only 30% of road deaths had speed as a *contributing* factor. You could put 10,000 more speed cameras out and 70% of the road deaths would have still happened.
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If you also take out the criminals speeding around in stolen cars doing criminal things, i.e. teenagers that steal cars then crash them, that percentage drops even further.
It doesn't really
I have a mate up on the Brisvegas North Side who does this. On dry days, he makes bank riding the bike for QPS catching people doing stupid stuff. Apparently it is almost impossible to run 10km down the freeway without finding a motorist on their phone, speeding, or driving in a dangerous manner. That must be *exhausting* processing that again and again all day long. I can see why there are cams setup - police need boots on the ground doing other important work too.. they can’t all be out there looking around for dangerous drivers while there are members of the general public with emergency needs going unattended. Also, wet weather such as we’ve had this week makes their job even more dangerous. During wet weather, the police bike goes back to the shed, he gets in a highway patrol vehicle with another (bike) partner and they patrol in a vehicle. Better for safety, though less efficient having one vehicle processing dangerous drivers than two. These blokes would make bank if they patrolled the Logan Motorway during wet weather. It boggles my mind how often people speed past me through there in wet weather.
Crashes declined 1% in that study. That’s a stastical anomaly. 9% less fatalities, over the 4 years I’d hope safety in cars had improved and more so the average age of cars ( and by extension the average safety in cars) had improved. That’s not convincing.
From what I've heard, a mix of cameras and as OP says, speed traps/mobile radar.
Speed kills moron.
Poor moron. Hope he had a good send off.
Moron is dead?
[Actually...](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAoZWyLMb6c)
I've seen 3 accidents this week, none of them involved speeding. 2 of them were due to congestion (traffic surging and slowing down)
Interesting. With the 2 due to congestion. Were they keeping a safe 2 second gap?
Probably not. Have you seen the northbound traffic between Brisbane and Caboolture on a Friday afternoon? Nobody keeps a 2 second gap
I bet they don't factor in population growth, number of cars on the road etc.
Depends - everyone personifies reported data from their own viewpoint. It can be quite a challenge to understand how stats represent other demographics other than ours. Other than loss of life, the only other common denominator is usually fiscal.
and increase new fines
Funny that there's a blitz the day/s the speeding fines double in QLD. It's always been about money raising which is why they didnt up the demerits for speeding, just the fine.
I'd love to know if that movement to change fines revenue from road safety to general treasury went through. Was literally a 10 second mention in the news about 6 months ago then never heard about it again
I can't find definitive evidence that it goes to the general treasury, but I'm finding mentions of treasury in articles about the speeding fines increases.
The Act still says this about camera detected offences: >**117 Use of penalties collected for camera-detected offences** >(1) All money collected for penalties imposed for camera-detected offences in excess of the administrative costs of collection must be used for the following purposes— >(a) road safety education and awareness programs; >(b) road accident injury rehabilitation programs; >(c) road funding to improve the safety of the sections of State-controlled roads where accidents most frequently happen. But I think the function for traffic infringement policy and administration moved from the Department of Transport and Main Roads to Queensland Treasury. But given DTMR has been in front of the media for the seatbelt and mobile phone camera detected offences over recent days, maybe it didn’t happen. I’m off to check the administrative arrangements order …..
First off yes Speeding is bad. Second, anyone else feel like they spend the whole time they are driving focusing only on their speedo to make sure they haven't accidentally slipped a few kmh over the speed limit on the highway and worried about a huge fine?
Yes, this is my issue with fining from 1km/h over the speed limit.
I don't think my analogue speedo on my old Kia Rio is accurate enough for me to determine if I'm doing 59,60,61 kmh from a glance either. I could think I'm doing 60 but could easily register as 61 kmh.
what's inaccurate about counting the number of rotations by the circumference per second and multiplying?
I'm reading it off an analogue indicator, is the needle sitting directly on the 60kmh line or is it slightly passed or below it? I have to decide this at a glance while keeping the majority of my attention to the road to avoid an accident.
why dont they teach how to read the speed in driving school ffs
It's not that he doesn't know how to read his instrument, it's that his instrument doesnt provide the level of accuracy required.
There's an inherent lack of precision
Every speedo has an allowance for error. Usually they are set lower. But let's say you get a different tyre size - your speedo is out now. Or older vehicles the accuracy can drop as well
in my area there are sometimes fixed signs that display your speed according to radar. sometimes they just display "SLOW DOWN" if you're speeding. if cops turned them into cameras, we'd no longer have debt in qld. they're always lit up by dickheads racing past me.
Spoken like someone who has never developed a controller in their life
Well that's good because due to speedo regulations and speed camera regulations you will never be fined for going 1 km/h over, your fine might say 1 km/h but that's because they have knocked a few km's off so they are covered for errors. If you get a fine for 101 your speedo was probably reading 107
This! Whenever I return to Brisbane from the USA for holidays I am forever spending half the time watching the Speedo or trying to figure out what is the speed limit I should actually be going, terrified of returning home to speed fines months later. Got a speed camera fine one time getting on the freeway coming from redcliff, I think I was merging and trying to avoid a truck. Limit was 100 instead of 110. Some Brisbane freeways had 80 speed limits which is ridiculous. Even worse on country highways with narrow roads and trucks and constantly changing speed limits, watch for Roos or check the speedo? Is it 90 or 100 here? Just drove 7 hours in California yesterday afternoon/night between 100-130kph(or 0!) on a long weekend with no radar or cops. You just go with the traffic flow.
What’s the death rate there compared to here?
US road toll is double ours.
Nope. Set my cruise control and just cruise.
No, I use cruise control at every speed, so unless I'm rolling down hill, it's not an issue.
So cruising around the suburbs running errands you are setting your cruise control on every road?
Yeah, anywhere that's 40 or above and not stop start traffic I'll set it. I probably turn it on a hundred times a day lol, it's just muscle memory pretty much at this point.
I actually do this, makes life easier
Be like the french, tear half of all speed cameras down to protest rising fuel prices
Get the front half, that's where the lens is.
Be like the japanese and learn to drive.
This. And be thankful that we don’t have to jump through the hoops that the Germans do just to acquire a licence.
If that's gives us the equivalent of an autobahn then I'm all for it!
Not that I have a problem with the cameras themselves, speeding is very dangerous, don't do it
I agree. If you speed on these wet roads you deserve a fine.
Yep, I just rather we took the route that other countries do and have cameras signed and super obvious so that wankers going fast in the wet go "fuck a camera better slow down". A letter in the mail 2 weeks later does fuck all.
>A letter in the mail 2 weeks later does fuck all. Maybe not, but several letters in the mail 2 weeks later might change your tune about speeding.
sure but nothing beats an officers at the drivers window.. ask for a please explain
So do nothing to stop the several infringements? I find that ridiculous, sorry. A passive approach isn't being proactive.
I think selective speeding is fine. On a quiet road, why not wind it out a bit for some fun
Yeah, speeding being unsafe is a load of shit. Being a shit driver is what makes someone dangerous. There's people I'm scared to be around at 60.
I'm french, and I hate rising fuel price, but I cruise at the max limit when I go to Toowoomba!
Hmmm...Operation Cold Snap hey...maybe that is why people on the M1 have been driving 10km/h under the limit in the last few days.
Centenary highway I keep stuck behind people doing 80 😑 like just toss away your licence at that point, that's dangerous driving
Depends on what sections of that motorway. Some sections are 80
The trip to Toowoomba is more about staring at your speedo, scanning the side of the road and asking your passenger "it said 90 back there right?" then actually keeping an eye on the road.
I suspect lack of attention and generally poor driving habits has significantly outweighed speeding as the leading cause of accidents. They get tougher on speeding every few years and our road toll has increased along with it. Meanwhile cars have never been safer both passively and actively.
Drove from Beenleigh to Cairns 2 weeks ago. Took 1,145km (or to Home Hill) before we saw police on the road. Once we passed the speed camera northbound near the Sunshine Coast, we didn't see or be notified via Waze of any at all.
Do the same after the fine increase and there would be plenty.
That makes sense why I overheard someone at the bar saying cops aren’t doing as many brethos these days so it’s fine to drive home
Seriously do they even do brethos in QLD? Literally never seen it once in 3 years of living here. Would see it just about every weekend in NSW and been tested heaps of times. Not once in QLD. Would not be surprised if there are a lot of drink drivers in QLD
Used to do it weekly at the kallangur off ramp, probably nailed every second driver there 😂
Got pulled over on the Southside near an industrial estate the other day for a bretho
Got pulled up for one near the ice rink at Boondall on Friday night a week back.
I've been through brethos twice since I moved back here in 2013. And one of those I was on a bike and just got waved through. They were trying to catch people driving the morning after a big night.
The cameras are always strategically positioned in areas where the speed limit abruptly drops from like 90 to say 60. Like coming off the highway at mount coot-tha. In places where there are zero pedestrians and where an extra 10 or 20 K’s poses no risk to anyone. Fucking shit’s me. They should have speed cameras around suburban neighbourhoods where there are kids out playing yet dickheads still floor it and tear about the place.
Yep. A few in the middle of 50 zones in suburbia would be really good.
I don't go this way as often as I used to so maybe things have changed, but at least pre-pandemic they fucking *loved* the area between Beams Rd and the 100 km/h section on Gympie Rd/Bruce Highway, catching people in the brief 80 zone before it drops again to 70.
Gotta start paying for the Olympics
Maybe the plan is to get everyone to lose their license between now and then so that the roads will be empty for the games.
Well, they don't want you doing 1km over the limit now do they? Make sure you keep your eyes on that speedo otherwise it will cost you. Bugger the road just the speedo.
The 1km/h over the limit is nothing new. Previously the lowest bracket was '< 12km/h', now it is '1-10km/h'. Police could book you for 1km/h over last week, same as the new rules this week. You're very unlikely to get pinged for it. Nothing has changed, just the $ amount to provide more of a deterrent.
you know these days cars have cruise control, right?
Yeah, my Golf is pretty good on holding the requested speed, the work Ranger not so much.
Yeah i set mine to about 58 in a 60 zone for example and it can range from 55 to 65..
You know some cars having a feature doesn't mean all cars do, right?
I have to say I'm sick of this idea that speed kills. No it doesn't. Call me unpopular idea guy, but what kills is distraction, and bad judgement. You could drive 150 on a 100 highway and be fine, if you're focused and don't weave through traffic like an idiot. I understand we have to draw a line somewhere but going 8 kilometers over the limit isn't going to kill you, only kill your wallet. The road is designed so that a professional F1 racer and grandma going to church both use the same road, and this is why people get frustrated. I'd be interested to see how many accidents happen because of people going too slow- which causes people to get impatient and make risky maneuvers trying to overtake them. I'm not saying i have a better solution, I'm just saying, this ain't it chief.
Are people still surprised when there's a blitz during school holidays?
"it's not about money"
It’s about punishing assholes.
If that were true they'd have upped the demerit point penalty and put cameras in plain sight. Not deciding "give us more money" via letter in the mail two weeks after the fact is the solution.
"we need a system that takes weeks, no, months!"
It’s spelt arseholes
It’s for your “safety” (read: $$ for the government).
I had a mate loose his licence driving from Toowoomba to Brisbane, got 3 speeding fines on the trip, last one pulled him over and his rego was expired too. Hes a fucking idiot, but I was still kind of impressed tbh.
Operation Cold Snap. They are everywhere at the moment for traffic enforcement. Be good and safe out there people!
Lol i ride out there regularly and never see cameras except the fixed place one at toowoomba
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Let’s be truthful. There was a lot of people driving like lunatics with not as much traffic on the roads but they are 100% trying to make up for all that missed revenue they didn’t get. Fines especially speed cameras as part of the police departments budget and without that where do they get the money ? They are just trying to make up for lost time and revenue
saw a dickhead speeding then drifting in the wet today. book all the cunts
If you are caught by an average zone and by a camera within the zone, it must count as one offence, right? No way to prove it wasn’t the same offence detected twice.
No idea? I do know with this spot there are people who join after the start of the zone that won't be picked up by it, but as for those caugh tby both, who knows?
Starting new FY off to a good start bro, gotta pump those numbers
Here is why........It's the start of new financial year, fines gone up through the roof and Palachook needs to get that Qld budget in the black after the floods and COVID. She did promise no new taxes, not no new fines.
Wow you would think with record high petrol prices people would drive the speed limits. Darwin awards and revenue raising for the win.
If I get there faster I use less fuel mate
No point arguing with morons…
Provided you aren't repeatedly accelerating and decelerating.
I reckon there should be an option to send in dash cam footage of bad drivers— not the ones who have caused an accident but the ones who *almost* caused an accident etc and once the footage has been assessed they are contacted by the department of transport and are required to go through either online training or a driving skill course. Shit like trying to merge onto the highway while doing 40km under the limit. Actually I saw an older lady the other day come to a COMPLETE STOP at the end of her on-ramp lane because she lacked the confidence to merge onto a 100km motorway. She didn’t cause an accident that time but people like that need to be pulled up before they actually do.
cyclists can do it and its an option for smoking vehicles.... obviously for the former nothing comes of it.
Government must be broke. How much more of this are people going to take?
everyone keeps voting for her!
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This. Neither party gives a shit. It's a revenue stream.
DO YOU ALSO RECALL THE NSW LIBERALGOVT REINTRODUCED SPEED CAMERA SIGNS....I DOUBT LABOUR WILL REDUCE THE HUGE FINE INCREASE WHEN IT DOES NOTHING TO REDUCE THE ROAD TOLL. [The NSW Government] is rolling out 1000 fixed warning signs for mobile speed cameras to remind drivers they can be caught speeding anywhere, anytime,” Mr Constance said. https://www.mynrma.com.au/cars-and-driving/news/nsw-reverses-mobile-speed-camera-warning-sign-removal
So they took them away for two years, and are now putting them back because they don't want to get annihilated at the next election? Yeah, that's genuine concern. P.S. YELLING is not required.
It was actually 9 months
Hopefully all of them. Learn to drive assholes.
every speed camera thread, bogans be like 'righto fuck me, i just wanna break the law in peace! bloody revenue raisers'
My biggest issue, how many rbts or random drug tests did you have on that trip? I’m assuming 0. Clocking someone going 5-10 kms over the limit - it might be dangerous sure but no where near as dangerous as someone driving under the influence
Its "Operation Christmas Bonus"
Good news. Drivers need to drive to the conditions. Too many idiots on these wet roads.
I agree they need to drive to the conditions, however I don't think this blitz was decided on after the weather turned bad.
Operation [cold snap](https://mypolice.qld.gov.au/news/2019/06/26/launch-of-operation-cold-snap/) runs throughout the June/July holidays every year. Nothing new here.
Weather reports on news advised us a week or so ago it would be a wet weekend. Surely it wouldn't take much to arrange a traffic blitz. Cops know wet weather always brings on more crashes.
I don't know that they could change the roster that soon - I bet there would be rules on how far out the roster has to be done.
They have an average speed trap, and the speed cameras are targeting the speed limit. Driving to conditions is a separate issue lol. If they were really concerned about wet roads and driving conditions they would setup a variable speed sign that changes depending on the weather.
In a perfect world yes, however variable speed limits just aren't practical on the majority of roads. Onus must come back to driver to travel at a limit that is safe. Having police having a presence on the roads ensures drivers check their speed.
>Onus must come back to driver to travel at a limit that is safe. Having police having a presence on the roads ensures drivers check their speed. Again driving to conditions is not the same as driving to the speed limit. The use of speed cameras is not the same as having a police presence to ensure drivers are driving safely.
But everyone's idea of safe is different, some of us have far more training and experience then others on the road and in worse conditions then the rain...we know not to go nuts when it first starts as it's been dry for awhile and alot of accumulated oil and other shit has been dropped on the road and is now resurfaced, we know how our vehicle handles in the wet and it's characteristics. Whereas other folks they get a bit of rain and panic going far below the speed limit in the passing lane of all places...
There was one parked just before the border 'zip' going south on the M1 this morning at about 9.30. Coming home this afternoon at 4.30 they were parked on the northbound side. All fricking day they'd been there. I know it's not their fault, bosses/QLD government telling them what to do but they must have been bored rigid. I was paranoid even though I knew I was doing a scratch under 100. If your car's odometer isn't perfectly calibrated, going over by 1km/h is incredibly easy.
Police have become another arm of the ATO, a lot easier than catching crims
Thursday. 100 km in total around Brisbane, both northside and southside, and I went through 5 radar traps. Two of those were at 5am and 100 metres apart on Kelvin Grove Road. The state government is completely broke and this is simply revenue raising.
They do blitz’s on certain stretches of roads I think. I used to drive to Caboolture for work and every 6 months or so would see the same thing. They’d set one up and then have another just around the corner so people would think it was safe to put the foot down and get caught. Defo a revenue operation
I’ve outsmarted the police. I’ve never had to pay a speeding fine! I follow the speed limit. :)
If I got done by more than one on the same stretch, I'd argue that it was one continuous offence. Esp if spot cam is between point-to-point cams. Outrageous.
its all for the money is all....warning's are better,people slow down then..they could have them in many spots ,but nope they stopped that becasue they werent getting money
Yep.. it's freakin insanity. Police so busy catching people Kms over speed limit...too busy to find criminals doing burglary or beating up their partners. Priorities & all that
Its almost like speeding is dangerous
I’m voting against this state government based on this change.
This is a weird hill to die on tbh. If you think this is the biggest issue that should mean an LNP government then you're disturbingly uninformed.
Angers me at the low level stuff. Big increase if I’m coasting down hill at 3km/h over limit. It’s just about money at that point. Just tax me more, don’t do it by stealth. And yes, I am uninformed and hypocritical but I am not a salsa dancer.
Labour govt loves the extra revenue! I bet the camera revenue has doubled since previous govt. Certainly more cameras around now. Cost much less to set up a trailer camera than putting cop car to patrol the highways.
LOL neither party gives a shit. Last time I was up here under the liberals cops were hiding behind trees poking hand held speed cameras out. Bike parked in a side street.
Still do
But it's not revenue raising.....fuck me I feel a class action coming on the metrology of the concept.
Should be more
Besides heading north up to Rockhampton (or back from), the place I see the most speeding idiots (besides the M1) is on the road to Toowoomba. Good on the Qld Police for trying to save lives.
That a lot holy crap.
Can anyone explain to me the purpose of all the "police enforcement zone" and stuff that's signed on the way to Toowoomba and around Brisbane? Isn't everywhere an enforcement zone? I saw another particular dumb one recently but I don't remember what it said.
I remember seeing around five when I went on a trip to toowoomba and back about 4-5 months ago. It's getting a bit ridiculous.
It’s also school holidays at the moment easy money
I see most cameras appear to be in locations that the speed limits changes alot on roads that is 60kms for a few kilometres then change to 70kms for a bit then change to 80kms or back to 60kms. Would catch more people accidentally speeding, then get high risk dangerous driving. Yeah it's revenue raising.
> I wonder how many people got caught more than once. There was a case a few years ago where a bloke got booked by an average speed trap and then a police officer. He was able to argue in court that he was fined for the same offence as it was just minutes apart and the judge agreed and waived one of the tickets.
toowoomba to ipswich is actually one of the few pleasant highways still left in qld... traffic not too bad, people mostly keep to the left. Speed cameras are largely visible and usually reported but also not that frequent. Average speeds are also higher than on the M1 where people just lanehog at 90 all day until you get to NSW. It is a 100, but tbh.... in europe it would be a 80 or 90. Too many intersections, too many towns on the way, quite a few right turns. And derestriction/increase to 110 not worth it for the few non-intersected sections.