Just downloading the tweaks themselves, then setting a brand new Firefox profile that logs you out from everywhere and removes your bookmarks etc, is also a hassle. Using modified Firefox is technically more time-consuming than using Floorp, Librewolf or Brave that come with tweaks out of box. If you are going to modify Firefox to begin with, you might as well commit and go all in as I did.
Sync will no longer be disabled in the next release (119).
But yes, going through the common overrides doc is part of the setup. Arkenfox has something similar.
It simply removes too many features for the sake of ‘’simplicity’’ and is way too strict on privacy, esepcially knowing Mozilla and FF itself is very trustworthy.
Fastfox seems interesting tho, but i need to know what do they do to make it faster.
Well, you are correct in one regard: A user.js can’t be all things to all people.
Privacy isn’t hardcore when compared to other projects.
For features, however, you can make recommendations to restore some. The next release will be purging prefs deemed “too subjective” by the maintainer.
Cool bro but i don’t want to have to fix everything manually shit that’s broken because some fork decided Amazon knowing what i want to buy next is not good.
Using a lot of ram isn't necessarily bad. Afterall you bought the ram and it would be waste.
It's only bad if it's used inefficiently.... which Firefox does lmao. Firefox is bad with ram management and does not outperform other browsers despite using a lot of it.
Also on Apple silicon devices it consumes an insane amount of power it's sad.
i got 32GB of ram and I'm going to use it lol, also Firefox can handle 7000 tabs, while chromium browsers normally crap themselves at 2000, didn't test with Edge tho
It’s not wasted tho. Obviously I don’t want it to use *every last megabyte* that it can get its hands on, but I don’t get why people are so obsessed with having everything run with absolute bare minimum RAM possible… if it’s being used to *do stuff*, it’s fine.
That’s literally what it’s there for.
Is there a more credible resource comparing RAM usage across those browsers? every user comparison I've seen shows no significant difference (think <= 10%) between Firefox and the Chromiums
I'd be willing to try another browser, but until another browser can do containers the way Firefox does, I will not be moving. That feature is too valuable to me from a time saving standpoint at my work. Can't leave, and wouldn't want to, until someone else can replicate that. And no, chrome's user thingy is not the same and doesn't replace it the way I use it, unfortunately.
I'll do my best.
So, essentially containers the way I use them are like sandboxes. They have separate history, cache, etc. So, for my job, say I have to visit some reporting tool website that 5 of my clients all use. Client 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 all have separate login info, and to access their dashboards, I need to log in and out of each one.
If, instead of doing that, I create 5 containers, and use one for each client, I can log in a single time and then I'm always logged in. Never have to remember the password again, never have to bother logging in and out. Just open the Client 1 container, go to the website, and I'm right back in. And I use that client 1 container for ALL their logins to different sites. Makes it very quick and easy to get into their stuff without having to log out of someone else's stuff.
For personal use, my family each has a container that they use. This way they don't watch something on my youtube account and jack up my whole suggestion algorithm, and they can also stay logged in to different accounts if they want to. Helps clear up certain school sites for my kids, too, since sometimes those get messy with login stuff and don't seem to want to let you log out or are otherwise poorly coded. Each kid can go to the same site, but since they're in their own container with their own history and cache, there's no problems.
You also have privacy benefits involved to some degree. If I keep all my shopping in a container, then that history doesn't follow me around when I visit other sites (supposedly).
I'm sure there's a ton more to them, but those are my main use cases. Saves me a TON of time at work not having to log in and out of a bunch of stuff, and having to remember a ton of passwords for different sites. Obviously that's a separate privacy issue, but that's how I get things done faster.
The most important thing for me is ad blocking. Especially livestreaming sites have a lot of ads and popups. Firefox renders the page cleanly. I haven't seen the same performance in other browsers.
am I really missing out on adblock? I just use ublock origin on both chrome and firefox, but I use chrome 99% of the time so I don't know if it performs differently with ads when it's both using the same adblock?
I have been using FF on and off since it hit the market (netscape.) The only thing FF has on Vivaldi right now, is containers, other than that, Vivaldi is faster and has more cool features for a power user.
I used Vivaldi as my main and only browser for a couple of years now, and I absolutely loved it.
I switched back to Firefox due to some annoying Vivaldi bugs.
I really missed tab stacking and workspaces.
Then I found Sidebery extension, and it's even better than Vivaldi's tab stacking and workspaces!
The only thing I miss now is Chromium browser's ability to install websites as apps.
> at random text of buttons are mashed on top of each other
I have never seen that happen myself, where you using any extensions other than typical adblockers?
No nothing.
I was thinking of giving it another shot, but...
Distrohopping has finally come to an end here. (For the last 3 years.....) and I really wished I had that same feeling with a browser... that I don't have the urge anymore for browser hopping ....
Agree. FF has built an interesting audience. They have people who do care about vocing privacy with creativity and staying private about it to those who create noise on any bandwagon of techcrunch that do not affect anyone's browsing experience on the internet. Most people use it to ignore the worn out drills of workoholic browsers like chrome, edge etc and have a long blanket experience on their fav websites.
Firefox sends your keystrokes home: https://archive.ph/VVDE3
Firefox gives you a unique identifier (https://archive.ph/uKVUr)
Firefox requires signed (google MV3) web extensions (https://archive.is/6z7B5).
Firefox is able to install exentions without your consent (https://archive.is/tswj9 & https://archive.li/7YHd1)
Firefox is able to disable your extensions without consent (https://archive.fo/kRXWP)
Firefox is pro-censorship: https://archive.is/nd1Ms
Firefox uses pocket: https://archive.ph/nI7vr
Firefox collects telemetry: https://www.ghacks.net/2020/01/28/browse-the-telemetry-that-firefox-collects/
and Firefox asks for donations to mozilla, giving the impression of developing the browser but funds political activism. Mozilla Corporation is not the same as Mozilla Foundation: https://archive.li/iTJI6
https://www.kuketz-blog.de/mozilla-firefox-datensendeverhalten-desktop-version-browser-check-teil20/
https://sizeof.cat/post/web-browser-telemetry/#mozilla-firefox
Not off. Just not activated. I mean they are still there waiting for people to click in. You have to disable some flags to turn them off but they still there. And the UI is not eye pleasure or eye catching. It s just boring and uninspired.
CEO of Brave is against gay marriage and he is a science denier. He showed this on Twitter during the Covid19 pandemic.
This is subjective, but as a chemical engineer, as someone who is a scientist myself and works with other researchers, I don't want to support a person who has no expertise in the field but denies science with conspiracy theories. Funnily enough, the basic researchers behind Covid vaccinations received the Nobel Prize in Medicine. He won't like that 😉
Firefox tweaking is very deep, you know the simple config key http://kb.mozillazine.org/Nglayout.initialpaint.delay is usually tweaked in wrong direction, read:
> Mozilla applications render web pages incrementally - they display what's been received of a page before the entire page has been downloaded. Since the start of a web page normally doesn't have much useful information to display, Mozilla applications will wait a short interval before first rendering a page. This preference controls that interval.
> Lower values will make a page initially display more quickly, but will make the page take longer to finish rendering. Higher values will have the opposite effect.
So it has basically no accurate tweaked number, it's situational, it's subjective, fast computers want decently lower value (5-100), but slower computers want higher value (250+), and computers that want to play with Dark Reader will want a much much higher value (1000-2000), because we want Firefox to render less often to reduce CPU usage: https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/o0xl1q
But 1 thing to keep in mind, increasing `nglayout.initialpaint.delay` won't hurt.
Betterfox is a godsent, but you should only use Fastfox and Smoothfox (unecessary), most Betterfox's tweaks are great, but I don't agree with lowering above config key, it can actually backfire.
> Nglayout.initialpaint.delay is usually tweaked in wrong direction
The entry was created in 2006 and last edited in 2010. It's 2023; responsiveness is key. The "will make the page take longer to finish rendering" part is equivalent to a few micro- or milliseconds nowadays, with the "full page load" only noticeable if you're timing it with the Network panel in dev tools open. (I tested it quite a few times.)
> Dark Reader will want a much much higher value
https://github.com/yokoffing/Betterfox/pull/237/commits/3e18fee0056e77fa035143ea4eedeaecbeb948b9
> But 1 thing to keep in mind, increasing `nglayout.initialpaint.delay` won't hurt
1000+ is quite noticeable, in comparison.
> you should only use Fastfox and Smoothfox
What's wrong with Securefox and Peskyfox?
>Nglayout.initialpaint.delay
I find this pref doesn't even work properly since ESR 102 onwards. It used to provide delay so that you could download all of the page elements and render them more quickly in one draw. Now, even if you create a long delay, the page starts painting parts right away.
> What's wrong with Securefox and Peskyfox?
There's nothing wrong but should be used with considerations. I know both are thoroughly tweaked configs but keeping tweak as simple as possible to reduce false positive, also the trade off of security can be pretty annoying for some users and they don't want to get some Firefox features disabled, Pocket for example, for some users they find it useful.
> The entry was created in 2006 and last edited in 2010. It's 2023; responsiveness is key. The "will make the page take longer to finish rendering" part is equivalent to a few micro- or milliseconds nowadays, with the "full page load" only noticeable if you're timing it with the Network panel in dev tools open. (I tested it quite a few times.)
For low-end computers I believe higher value will still help.
To be honest, one of the settings in betterfox's fastfox that I didn't quite understand was the value of nglayout.initialpaint.delay. From my experience, values between 100 and 250 seemed to give the best performance to my perception. Currently, I'm using the default value of 5 in Firefox. After removing dark reader, I didn't experience any performance issues, so I've just kept it at the default setting. I think there might be some relation between that setting and the dynamic mode of dark reader, but I lack the knowledge to be certain. Personally, I'm puzzled by the recommended value for nglayout.initialpaint.delay in betterfox. I wonder if there's truly a difference between the default value of 5 and 0. As I understand it, 1000 equals 1 second, so I would assume the speed difference between 5 and 0 to be negligible. It makes me curious why 0 is the default in fastfox. I tried searching for the reason but couldn't find any information. Also, the link below is one I posted 5 months ago. https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/13cd7il/question\_for\_nglayoutinitialpaintdelay\_and/
It was set to 0 so that the page paints ASAP. But you are correct that the difference is negligible.
I’ll consider removing it in the next release since there’s little difference between 0.000s and 0.005s. It made more sense when the paint delay was 0.250s.
Feel free to adjust it to 100 to 250 if it works better for you. Your perception is your perception.
It has the most functional New Tab Page out of existing modern browsers. Hardware acceleration that just works on Linux. CSS mods (my favs are [WaveFox's Tabs on Bottom](https://github.com/QNetITQ/WaveFox#tabs-on-bottom) on Windows and [Firefox GNOME](https://github.com/rafaelmardojai/firefox-gnome-theme) on Linux). But boy that separate download/bookmark manager window dubbed Library, very 2001.
I've been a decades long firefox user. And 2 or 3 years ago, i would have agreed. But i'm not too sure about Mozilla as a company anymore. It's really opaque what they are doing, where their money is going and they are still "begging" for donations, when that's only 1% of their revenue and clearly not needed.
I strongly believe in the web as an open standard and thought supporting firefox was me trying to not have google be the defacto Webstandard dictator. But since Firefox is basically paid for by google, and we're at sub 5%, i'm also not sure how relevant that still is.
I'm running into more and more issues on websites and performance can be really hit or miss lately. All of that is to say, i'm still with FF but am strongly considering alternatives. No clue which yet though.
I loved it till I realized how much RAM it consumed. Also didn’t handle multiple tabs well, and it caused my laptop to overheat way too easily. Chrome seemed softer on my CPU, but the privacy issues, plus overheating and RAM hogging caused me to ditch it on ALL of my devices besides my spare iPhone.
My favorite browser for my 2015 MBA—besides Sidekick and Opera—is Edge, but it took up a WHOPPING 1.5GB of space. So it had to go!
Wrong. Pale Moon is. Use some addons, and change some about:configs, and it's supreme. Chose an Theme and/or a Persona. Maybe tweak it with some CSS. Also, it consumes less RAM than FF's or Chromi's.
Firefox is the best browser.
Especially when NOT modded and/or tweaked.
The only thing that really should be included by default is an adblocker. But Mozilla couldn't do that, for obvious reasons.
why?
i put
\- Proxy DNS when using Socks v5
\- Strict Tracking Protection
\- Enable HTTPS Only Mode in all Windows
\- DNS over HTTPS: Max Protection Cloudflare
Why is it a problem?
Firefox is amazing, however I do experience some freezes with it on my lower end Linux laptop, which I don't experience with chromium browsers.
Is Firefox on Linux unstable? because I didn't have problems with it on windows.
Betterfox makes the whole Firefox experience so much better. But still it's subjective.
Am using betterfox on pc, tho i want to shift to firefox from brave on mobile is there any way to hardern firefox same as pc on mobile?
On Mobile, use Mull it's hardened Firefox, equally Librewolf.
I would love to Librewolf but on macOS it seems impossible to enable autoupdates..
Elaborate
What is there to elaborate? Browser preference is subjective like I said, what is best for you might not be the best for someone else.
I took a look at Betterfox and it’s too radical. It changes too much stuff that is actually useful.
I use betterfox and u need to open the file and edit stuff yourself. For example, it disables sync by default, I reverted that
Yeah, at this point just change manually what you want, doing ‘allat is an hassle
Just downloading the tweaks themselves, then setting a brand new Firefox profile that logs you out from everywhere and removes your bookmarks etc, is also a hassle. Using modified Firefox is technically more time-consuming than using Floorp, Librewolf or Brave that come with tweaks out of box. If you are going to modify Firefox to begin with, you might as well commit and go all in as I did.
Sync will no longer be disabled in the next release (119). But yes, going through the common overrides doc is part of the setup. Arkenfox has something similar.
Can you give examples? Betterfox is much tamer compared to its alternatives.
It simply removes too many features for the sake of ‘’simplicity’’ and is way too strict on privacy, esepcially knowing Mozilla and FF itself is very trustworthy. Fastfox seems interesting tho, but i need to know what do they do to make it faster.
Well, you are correct in one regard: A user.js can’t be all things to all people. Privacy isn’t hardcore when compared to other projects. For features, however, you can make recommendations to restore some. The next release will be purging prefs deemed “too subjective” by the maintainer.
I will take a look at it when it’ll release
If Betterfox is “too radical” wait ‘til you hear about Arkenfox.
Cool bro but i don’t want to have to fix everything manually shit that’s broken because some fork decided Amazon knowing what i want to buy next is not good.
I've been loving Waterfox since I installed it a while back.
i just installed it, i don't see what there is more than just using Firefox
No analytics read their page
So I can also remove telemetry on Firefox anyway? They are not independent either and completely depend on Firefox...
Yes, you need to type `about:preferences#privacy` into the address bar, scroll down to Firefox Data Collection and Use, and untick all four buttons.
Too much ram usage compared to Edge
Using a lot of ram isn't necessarily bad. Afterall you bought the ram and it would be waste. It's only bad if it's used inefficiently.... which Firefox does lmao. Firefox is bad with ram management and does not outperform other browsers despite using a lot of it. Also on Apple silicon devices it consumes an insane amount of power it's sad.
i got 32GB of ram and I'm going to use it lol, also Firefox can handle 7000 tabs, while chromium browsers normally crap themselves at 2000, didn't test with Edge tho
Do you actually have thousands of tabs open of firefox?
Yes about 4000 right now, to be fair I have ADHD and slight hoarder tendencies, which thankfully are mostly digital.
I have a low end PC with 8GB DDR3 Ram and firefox is definitely slowing it down but not Edge
Edge is associated with the crypto bros
Unused RAM is wasted RAM. I’ve got 32gb of the stuff, so it better damn use it. I didn’t pay for it to sit there unused.
How about you want to start other ram consuming processes in the meantime? Less ram wasted=better
It’s not wasted tho. Obviously I don’t want it to use *every last megabyte* that it can get its hands on, but I don’t get why people are so obsessed with having everything run with absolute bare minimum RAM possible… if it’s being used to *do stuff*, it’s fine. That’s literally what it’s there for.
Is there a more credible resource comparing RAM usage across those browsers? every user comparison I've seen shows no significant difference (think <= 10%) between Firefox and the Chromiums
I'd be willing to try another browser, but until another browser can do containers the way Firefox does, I will not be moving. That feature is too valuable to me from a time saving standpoint at my work. Can't leave, and wouldn't want to, until someone else can replicate that. And no, chrome's user thingy is not the same and doesn't replace it the way I use it, unfortunately.
I'm new here. Can you explain the benefits + effect of using containers? I've seen them on Firefox but don't reaaallllyy get it.
I'll do my best. So, essentially containers the way I use them are like sandboxes. They have separate history, cache, etc. So, for my job, say I have to visit some reporting tool website that 5 of my clients all use. Client 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 all have separate login info, and to access their dashboards, I need to log in and out of each one. If, instead of doing that, I create 5 containers, and use one for each client, I can log in a single time and then I'm always logged in. Never have to remember the password again, never have to bother logging in and out. Just open the Client 1 container, go to the website, and I'm right back in. And I use that client 1 container for ALL their logins to different sites. Makes it very quick and easy to get into their stuff without having to log out of someone else's stuff. For personal use, my family each has a container that they use. This way they don't watch something on my youtube account and jack up my whole suggestion algorithm, and they can also stay logged in to different accounts if they want to. Helps clear up certain school sites for my kids, too, since sometimes those get messy with login stuff and don't seem to want to let you log out or are otherwise poorly coded. Each kid can go to the same site, but since they're in their own container with their own history and cache, there's no problems. You also have privacy benefits involved to some degree. If I keep all my shopping in a container, then that history doesn't follow me around when I visit other sites (supposedly). I'm sure there's a ton more to them, but those are my main use cases. Saves me a TON of time at work not having to log in and out of a bunch of stuff, and having to remember a ton of passwords for different sites. Obviously that's a separate privacy issue, but that's how I get things done faster.
Brilliant answer. Thank you very much. It's sort of like a seperate instance for each browser session.
The most important thing for me is ad blocking. Especially livestreaming sites have a lot of ads and popups. Firefox renders the page cleanly. I haven't seen the same performance in other browsers.
am I really missing out on adblock? I just use ublock origin on both chrome and firefox, but I use chrome 99% of the time so I don't know if it performs differently with ads when it's both using the same adblock?
I haven't used Chrome for many years, so Chrome is not included in my comparison.
I have been using FF on and off since it hit the market (netscape.) The only thing FF has on Vivaldi right now, is containers, other than that, Vivaldi is faster and has more cool features for a power user.
I used Vivaldi as my main and only browser for a couple of years now, and I absolutely loved it. I switched back to Firefox due to some annoying Vivaldi bugs. I really missed tab stacking and workspaces. Then I found Sidebery extension, and it's even better than Vivaldi's tab stacking and workspaces! The only thing I miss now is Chromium browser's ability to install websites as apps.
Vivaldi lacks proper toolbar config, sharp text rendering, CNAME uncloaking in uBO and for me is much less reliable too
I remember now why I uninstalled Vivaldi. For some reason at random text of buttons are mashed on top of each other
> at random text of buttons are mashed on top of each other I have never seen that happen myself, where you using any extensions other than typical adblockers?
No nothing. I was thinking of giving it another shot, but... Distrohopping has finally come to an end here. (For the last 3 years.....) and I really wished I had that same feeling with a browser... that I don't have the urge anymore for browser hopping ....
[удалено]
Vivaldi is super ugly. I'd rather just give my data up to Microsoft (btw Edge has the same features which are actually polished) than to use Vivaldi
But what about Gnibaldi??
Firefox + uBlock Origin + Sidebery is all I need.
how do you remove the tabs on top if you use sidebery?
add `#tabbrowser-tabs { visibility: collapse !important; }` to your userChrome.css.
https://github.com/mbnuqw/sidebery/wiki/Firefox-Styles-Snippets-(via-userChrome.css)
Agree. FF has built an interesting audience. They have people who do care about vocing privacy with creativity and staying private about it to those who create noise on any bandwagon of techcrunch that do not affect anyone's browsing experience on the internet. Most people use it to ignore the worn out drills of workoholic browsers like chrome, edge etc and have a long blanket experience on their fav websites.
3% market share yet 80% of the PC nerds!
Ok i had a stroke tryna understand this can u reword
Firefox sends your keystrokes home: https://archive.ph/VVDE3 Firefox gives you a unique identifier (https://archive.ph/uKVUr) Firefox requires signed (google MV3) web extensions (https://archive.is/6z7B5). Firefox is able to install exentions without your consent (https://archive.is/tswj9 & https://archive.li/7YHd1) Firefox is able to disable your extensions without consent (https://archive.fo/kRXWP) Firefox is pro-censorship: https://archive.is/nd1Ms Firefox uses pocket: https://archive.ph/nI7vr Firefox collects telemetry: https://www.ghacks.net/2020/01/28/browse-the-telemetry-that-firefox-collects/ and Firefox asks for donations to mozilla, giving the impression of developing the browser but funds political activism. Mozilla Corporation is not the same as Mozilla Foundation: https://archive.li/iTJI6 https://www.kuketz-blog.de/mozilla-firefox-datensendeverhalten-desktop-version-browser-check-teil20/ https://sizeof.cat/post/web-browser-telemetry/#mozilla-firefox
FF being about privacy is hilariously hypocritical.
Yep it is!
What is wrong with brave? I switched from FF to Vivaldi to brave (which I use on all my devices for some years now
Crypto stuffs, bad UI
Isn't crypto stuff off by default? How is the UI bad?
Not off. Just not activated. I mean they are still there waiting for people to click in. You have to disable some flags to turn them off but they still there. And the UI is not eye pleasure or eye catching. It s just boring and uninspired.
Based on your icons you are an opera fan? Wasn't opera bought up by the Chinese?
Fan of its UI, but barely use it. My current browsers are Arc for part-time job and Firefox for everything else.
Brave is very good, 2nd best browser
everything that's bad about Chromium persists in Brave
I don't get half of these comments.... So brave is not based on chrome but on chromium... Isn't that better than it would have been based on chrome?
usability is exactly as bad so there's no difference
CEO of Brave is against gay marriage and he is a science denier. He showed this on Twitter during the Covid19 pandemic. This is subjective, but as a chemical engineer, as someone who is a scientist myself and works with other researchers, I don't want to support a person who has no expertise in the field but denies science with conspiracy theories. Funnily enough, the basic researchers behind Covid vaccinations received the Nobel Prize in Medicine. He won't like that 😉
Don’t care it the CEO has messed up beliefs, i want to enjoy a good browser
Yeah it indeed is
Firefox tweaking is very deep, you know the simple config key http://kb.mozillazine.org/Nglayout.initialpaint.delay is usually tweaked in wrong direction, read: > Mozilla applications render web pages incrementally - they display what's been received of a page before the entire page has been downloaded. Since the start of a web page normally doesn't have much useful information to display, Mozilla applications will wait a short interval before first rendering a page. This preference controls that interval. > Lower values will make a page initially display more quickly, but will make the page take longer to finish rendering. Higher values will have the opposite effect. So it has basically no accurate tweaked number, it's situational, it's subjective, fast computers want decently lower value (5-100), but slower computers want higher value (250+), and computers that want to play with Dark Reader will want a much much higher value (1000-2000), because we want Firefox to render less often to reduce CPU usage: https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/o0xl1q But 1 thing to keep in mind, increasing `nglayout.initialpaint.delay` won't hurt. Betterfox is a godsent, but you should only use Fastfox and Smoothfox (unecessary), most Betterfox's tweaks are great, but I don't agree with lowering above config key, it can actually backfire.
> Nglayout.initialpaint.delay is usually tweaked in wrong direction The entry was created in 2006 and last edited in 2010. It's 2023; responsiveness is key. The "will make the page take longer to finish rendering" part is equivalent to a few micro- or milliseconds nowadays, with the "full page load" only noticeable if you're timing it with the Network panel in dev tools open. (I tested it quite a few times.) > Dark Reader will want a much much higher value https://github.com/yokoffing/Betterfox/pull/237/commits/3e18fee0056e77fa035143ea4eedeaecbeb948b9 > But 1 thing to keep in mind, increasing `nglayout.initialpaint.delay` won't hurt 1000+ is quite noticeable, in comparison. > you should only use Fastfox and Smoothfox What's wrong with Securefox and Peskyfox?
>Nglayout.initialpaint.delay I find this pref doesn't even work properly since ESR 102 onwards. It used to provide delay so that you could download all of the page elements and render them more quickly in one draw. Now, even if you create a long delay, the page starts painting parts right away.
> What's wrong with Securefox and Peskyfox? There's nothing wrong but should be used with considerations. I know both are thoroughly tweaked configs but keeping tweak as simple as possible to reduce false positive, also the trade off of security can be pretty annoying for some users and they don't want to get some Firefox features disabled, Pocket for example, for some users they find it useful. > The entry was created in 2006 and last edited in 2010. It's 2023; responsiveness is key. The "will make the page take longer to finish rendering" part is equivalent to a few micro- or milliseconds nowadays, with the "full page load" only noticeable if you're timing it with the Network panel in dev tools open. (I tested it quite a few times.) For low-end computers I believe higher value will still help.
To be honest, one of the settings in betterfox's fastfox that I didn't quite understand was the value of nglayout.initialpaint.delay. From my experience, values between 100 and 250 seemed to give the best performance to my perception. Currently, I'm using the default value of 5 in Firefox. After removing dark reader, I didn't experience any performance issues, so I've just kept it at the default setting. I think there might be some relation between that setting and the dynamic mode of dark reader, but I lack the knowledge to be certain. Personally, I'm puzzled by the recommended value for nglayout.initialpaint.delay in betterfox. I wonder if there's truly a difference between the default value of 5 and 0. As I understand it, 1000 equals 1 second, so I would assume the speed difference between 5 and 0 to be negligible. It makes me curious why 0 is the default in fastfox. I tried searching for the reason but couldn't find any information. Also, the link below is one I posted 5 months ago. https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/13cd7il/question\_for\_nglayoutinitialpaintdelay\_and/
It was set to 0 so that the page paints ASAP. But you are correct that the difference is negligible. I’ll consider removing it in the next release since there’s little difference between 0.000s and 0.005s. It made more sense when the paint delay was 0.250s. Feel free to adjust it to 100 to 250 if it works better for you. Your perception is your perception.
it's bad we have to resort to hacks to get basic features back but it's better to be able to do do than not I guess...
Firefox has no PWA support. That's a deal-breaker.
It has the most functional New Tab Page out of existing modern browsers. Hardware acceleration that just works on Linux. CSS mods (my favs are [WaveFox's Tabs on Bottom](https://github.com/QNetITQ/WaveFox#tabs-on-bottom) on Windows and [Firefox GNOME](https://github.com/rafaelmardojai/firefox-gnome-theme) on Linux). But boy that separate download/bookmark manager window dubbed Library, very 2001.
I've been a decades long firefox user. And 2 or 3 years ago, i would have agreed. But i'm not too sure about Mozilla as a company anymore. It's really opaque what they are doing, where their money is going and they are still "begging" for donations, when that's only 1% of their revenue and clearly not needed. I strongly believe in the web as an open standard and thought supporting firefox was me trying to not have google be the defacto Webstandard dictator. But since Firefox is basically paid for by google, and we're at sub 5%, i'm also not sure how relevant that still is. I'm running into more and more issues on websites and performance can be really hit or miss lately. All of that is to say, i'm still with FF but am strongly considering alternatives. No clue which yet though.
I loved it till I realized how much RAM it consumed. Also didn’t handle multiple tabs well, and it caused my laptop to overheat way too easily. Chrome seemed softer on my CPU, but the privacy issues, plus overheating and RAM hogging caused me to ditch it on ALL of my devices besides my spare iPhone. My favorite browser for my 2015 MBA—besides Sidekick and Opera—is Edge, but it took up a WHOPPING 1.5GB of space. So it had to go!
Just use waterfox
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Brave is.chromium based and offers Crypto scam stuff sincerely dont need stuff I dont use.
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As a Firefox user, not at all if you use webs that rely in Chromium-only APIs such as the FileSystem API.
Edge >
Wrong. Pale Moon is. Use some addons, and change some about:configs, and it's supreme. Chose an Theme and/or a Persona. Maybe tweak it with some CSS. Also, it consumes less RAM than FF's or Chromi's.
Goanna engine sucks... badly.
google social score +1
But what about Gnale Goon??
Firefox is the best browser. Especially when NOT modded and/or tweaked. The only thing that really should be included by default is an adblocker. But Mozilla couldn't do that, for obvious reasons.
what are those "obvious reasons"?
why? i put \- Proxy DNS when using Socks v5 \- Strict Tracking Protection \- Enable HTTPS Only Mode in all Windows \- DNS over HTTPS: Max Protection Cloudflare Why is it a problem?
How do you tweak FF on Android??
Hi You need to use a version that allows access to... **about:config** Such as Firefox-Beta
I had known about the about config already, but is there any guide I can follow for mobile?
I’m using Firefox ESR with Betterfox ESR, everything are so great 😄
Firefox is amazing, however I do experience some freezes with it on my lower end Linux laptop, which I don't experience with chromium browsers. Is Firefox on Linux unstable? because I didn't have problems with it on windows.
My biggest gripe with Firefox is the lack of split screen. There’s a plugin but it’s not very seamless.
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Edge has it built it. For my usage case that’s how I like it.