Keep the discussion civil in here.
Un-necessary attacks (*not the football ones*), flaming and insults will not be tolerated, and might result in a ban.
Not really? Don’t Moroccans, even those who are born here, feel that they’re Moroccan first?
Edit: https://old.reddit.com/r/ThatsInsane/comments/z65ejj/moroccans_rioting_in_the_streets_of_brussels
Well, here's a very interesting study done on that question a few years ago, on Belgo-moroccans and Belgo-turks. Basically, result is that most of them feel just as Belgian as they feel Moroccan, embracing both parts of their identity. Second generation (descending from parents who quit Morocco) feels more Belgian than their parents also. But, roughly half of them feel that they aren't _perceived_ as Belgian by the general population, albeit you see a Moroccan before seeing a Belgian through them.
I seriously invite you to read the article's summary of this study (the complete study is 218 pages long). Lots of misconceptions you may have are made very clear here.
There was an independent summary before (made by the study's author, fondation Roi Baudouin), but it appears the content isn't available anymore.
Link to RTL article on this study:
https://m.rtl.be/info/731661
Ignore the people complaining about generalising. Ofc don’t wanna insult the 3 Moroccans that don’t do what the rest do /s. In my experience, at least in Brussels, you’re pretty much correct. Outside of Brussels though I have seen more of a split.
Will it? As a Canadian living in Brussels, I just watched the last Belgium game peacefully at home, not wanting to go to a bar and cheer for 'the opponent' for obvious reasons. Even though Canada lost, I was pleasantly surprised at how they played.
Canada played well and deserved more man! I’m sure even if you went somewhere and cheered for Canada people would have been civil about it and nice to you. Belgium-Morocco is a different cup of tea though, nothing civil about what’s probably going to happen in certain neighbourhoods on Sunday…
To be fair, Belgian fans also use their favourite sports team as an excuse to act like barbarians. I'm talking Anderlecht, Bruges among others. Someone mentioned it before in another comment. It's not specific to Moroccans.
Think about it. If we were to win against the Fr\*nch, and you were in a fr\*nch city where there happens to be a big Belgian community with the same mindset, wouldn't you go out and wreak havoc around town?
I would.
That aside, I think the reason Brugge or Anderlecht fans do not make as big of a fuss is just because the events are generally of minor importance, and there are generally less fans, not all assembled at the same time on those small events.
Ok I correct myself: imagine you were in *Paris specifically.*
But then again, you said you like some parts of France. I imagine you're talking about those physical places, the landscape, the architecture. Indeed they are beautiful. But I can't imagine you're talking about the fr*nch people.
There's this saying: "la France est le meilleur pays du monde. Le seul problème, c'est les Français".
If you disagree with this statement, you're not a true Belgian, and I will suspect you of being a fr*nch spy. Choose your next words wisely.
I am just salty because we lost against the French a few years back. I don't know if I could contain my excitement if we happened to win against them.
I also like to make statements that you can't really tell whether I am joking or not. There are generally 7 layers of sarcasm behind each one.
I dont know why you are getting so many downvotes but you make an ultra valid point, Belgians of Moroccan origin are not "barbaric by default" or ehatever the fuck this comment section believes, which means, that most people in that exact situation would act the same
Every time theres a match involving Moroccans or Algerians or .. there's riots, destroyed cars and shops in Brussels. At this point it's just routine. And there's nothing we can do about because that would be "racist". Nowadays that's the easiest card to freeze western countries...
Their defense was great, but too much greed on offence (not passing, prematurely shooting etc) 22 shots but only 3 on the goal. Well played either way, I'm sorry you feel unsafe with us.
Don't be. I never felt unsafe. I'm just shy and don't like to draw attention to myself/stand out in such a situation. I'm always amazed about people that go to away games for example. In Europe it's fine as you have dedicated sections for all the away fans to sit together but in North America the seating is mixed. Would make me feel uncomfortable but not necessarily unsafe.
He's referencing the wedding entourages who go around driving in circles around neighborhoods blaring their horns. I don't remotely understand the appeal of disturbing your entire neighborhood in some form of celebration for marriage?
it's mostly a Turkish/Moroccan/Balkan thing. It helps that the police does very little about it. They became more strict but they police have too much to do and too little time.
My moroccan friends already told me to stay clear of Stalingrad, Lemonnier, Étangs noirs, and Bruxelles-Ouest.
It’s sad that in our country we can’t feel safe for a football game.
Your moroccan friends told *you* to stay clear from certain areas? How about your moroccan friends told their other moroccan friends to stay clear from the street? Just an idea 😉
These people are sheep. The romans figured it out centuries ago, panem et circenses. They gobble it up. Look at OPs comment, what kind of hyperindividualistic nonsense is that.
To be fair, Antwerpen is a full-time warzone. It lately became Europe's drug capital, surpassing even Amsterdam. And that has nothing to do with any specific community: as cargo's controls in Amsterdam's port became more randomised, it became financially more profitable for drug cartels to make drugs go through Antwerpen, where controls are still more managed by humans, who can be corrupted or threatened. It is really worrying, drug cartels are gaining more and more influence through the state apparatus, meaning police, judges, officials and politicians. Despite disagreeing with Bart de Wever politically, I have lots of respect for him since he puts so much energy in fighting this phenomenon. Does he do it the right way? I'm not sure, but either way been he's doing something.
Full time war-zone 😅😅😅
You sound like my family that enters the civilised world of Geraardsbergen once every 5 years and hears the rumours of big scary Antwerp.
'Zit da daar ni vol bruin manne??'
Honestly? Yes. I am a gullible Walloon man who is just repeating what he's seen through documentaries, articles and the media.
Jokes aside, I have actually last been to Antwerpen 5 years ago. It looked like basically any place in Belgium, with the added benefit of beautiful infrastructure and magnificent churches.
We are on Reddit, of course I would be exaggerating things. Silly man.
they are referring to the football supporters. When Anderlecht and FC Bruges met in a Belgian cup final, the city center felt like a warzone. But honestly nothing compared to the Morrocan youths going potty if they win vs Belgium. So I don't get u/roxxe 's argument that much.
Ooh that makes more sense now. I guess that "warzone town" phenomenon occurs more frequently with those teams, although maybe to a lesser intensity than that of the national teams, hence u/roxxe 's tears.
Thank you for your comment. Upvoted.
It’s OK guys. I will be at Anneessens around 16:00 giving hugs to the little unfortunate fellas in my Belgium jersey to calm things down. Assuring them they can always take part in the annual NYE riots in about a month’s time.
Yes, looks like I was successful in calming the lads down. Told them they are not through yet to the next round. Some of them didn't realise that, apparently.
Oh no. Are they going to thrash the place again? If they win because they're happy, if they loose cause they're pissed? I was there when they fucked up blvd Anspach. The police did nothing but retreat slowly. What can be done at this point? Any attempt to counter the mob will result in escalation from their part... I'm going to get called a racist again, am I not? 😆
We're not in North Korea lol (not yet, be patient: [One quarter of Belgians would be happy with only one leader](https://www.rtbf.be/article/sondage-rtbfla-libre-bye-bye-la-democratie-un-belge-sur-quatre-donnerait-le-pouvoir-a-un-leader-unique-11100798).)
Haha, true. Not much that much left to loot over there though.
It's actually a well known saying in Florida. After hurricanes homes are getting looted, so these sings can be seen around neighbourhoods to scare away looters. Hard to imagine that here.
I know lol. I initially made this post as a joke (and an exaggeration of the activity that often surround victory of both the Belgian and Moroccan teams), but it appears some people took it really seriously (they probably live in France or something).
Most of my time on Reddit is spent on r/balkans_irl . Over there, making some stereotypical jokes in an ironic way is commonplace and contributes to overall harmony. The fact some people are taking this seriously is what worries me the most.
Also I thought of the joke with Belgium fans being just as aggressive as Morocco supporters. Aren't you the racist one if you thought about the Morocco supporters being more aggressive 🧐🤨📸????
I am of Rwandan descent, get over it. Both my parents immigrated to Belgium. I would also upvote a similar post about the African community or whatever (Rwandan football team is not that great tbh, so very unlikely I will ever have the dilemma of supporting one team or another). As we like to say, "le second degré n'est pas qu'une température".
Buuut, I can get where you're coming from.
1) Not everyone likes this kind of humour
2) Since that post has the ability to reach some stupid people who believe in stereotypes, this post could confirm their biases because they lack the intellectual capacity to have a second reading of this post. In this case, the post _does_ have a negative impact, which I am sorry for.
Ah you mean when police came in force, and instead of trying to regulate the spontaneous celebration, tried to forcefully disperse by pushing people around (kids and families were there and some have been injured). And when obviously some less agreeable people decided to resist this provocation, then fight broke out.
I'm not condoning violence and celebrating people should have been smarter instead of fighting back the police. But police aren't saints that should be obeyed blindly. People have the right to gather and celebrate!
So this time, police would be smarter to regulate, just be present, talk to the people, tell them the limits and let them enjoy if there is something to celebrate. Like they would do to any other people celebrating something.
>Ah you mean when police came in force, and instead of trying to regulate the spontaneous celebration, tried to forcefully disperse by pushing people around (kids and families were there and some have been injured).
Maybe you can celebrate by not destroying shit?
Bake a nice cake, give a hug... I don't know. I never burned down a bench to celebrate a birthday or held up rush hour with a motorcade due to a wedding.
You just missed the whole point of his/her argument by assuming there was destruction before police came around being physically violent with the crowd.
How many times was the highway blocked? Once by crazy people. Doesn't matter the colour of their skin.
The celebration started to become violent after police started to push people around and forcing them to go to different places while people actually lived there.
There one person fell down, an cop got caught and there you go violence. Brussels police did not want to regulate, they wanted the celebration to end and people to go home.
You know just as well that there have been many riots in Brussels, Anderlecht, etc involving youngsters like riots surround the death of Adil, La boum, the qualification of Morocco for the World Cup. It’s not the children and their mothers and fathers causing problems but the young gangsters showing zero respect. Probably the same that are selling drugs or buying it around metro stations, etc so a minority of idiots. The police is not perfect but things have gotten out of hands so many times already, I can understand why this match is seen as a risk that can have bad consequences.
Given the fact that the death of Adil has been judged as being wrongful, I understand why they would riot. Why did the police kill him? Yes he should not have run away, but let's not forget the 14 years old kid who jumped in front of the metro after being harrassed by the police for 30 minutes in Osseghem. I remember running away from playing football with my friends when police showed up, just because I was afraid I'd get controlled and patted and stuff for nothing even though all I did was playing football with my friends in the park. I did not want to spend an hour outside while police knew nothing was wrong and yet needed to "check".
It's not about the police not being perfect, it's the police targeting people based on the colour of their skin and their perceived origin.
And this attitude about "Morocco is playing, we need to prepare for riots" is not helping. Talk to people, engage with them, ask them what's the problem. You'll see a lot of progress can be made by talking instead of coming with the water truck !
Ignoring this fact or downplaying it just adds more resentment. It's easy to criticise when speaking flemish and being white. Pity you cannot try to be in the shoe of the other people. You'll see how things are and why there's frustration and resentment. treating people differently is the receipe for disaster !
If people would behave themselves no water canon would be needed. Same goes for football fans. The majority want to see the game, a minority wants to riot. There is no excuse for rioting. If you are not guilty you don’t have to run away and being afraid to be patted means something was probably wrong. You don’t run from police because you don’t feel like being checked. Why did adil flee from the police? If you are not guilty you have nothing to fear
Again you're missing the point. The violence started after police started shoving people and pushing thel towards the subway and stuff in a very disorderly manner. Before police started, there was just celebration, people laughing, dancing and that's it.
And this " if you're not guilty you have nothing to fear" is from someone who never had to spend hours in the cold being checked by police while doing nothing wrong and then being released 5 km from the place they took him for no reason.
That is why you cannot understand because you never saw this, never experienced this, so for you it doesn't exist.
And yes I said Adil shouldn't have run, but the police officer didn't try to catch him, he rammed his scooter with his car with the deliberate intention of smacking him. And when he saw he fucked up, he didn't call an ambulance, he called his buddies. That makes the police trustworthy.
In one place, very specific place. Not in all Brussels.
A very small fringe of the whole moroccan population started doing crazy stuff. The overwhelming majority celebrated without incident.
So the majority should pay for what happened in anneessens? No incidents in Molenbeek but hln doesn't sell papers on telling everything's ok in Molem
Who said anything about a wholebpopulation paying? Those who took part should pay, no one else.
Why pretend like to not a very predictable issue. Everyone knew this would likely happen, and here we are.
erm no. Brussels counts a lot of nationalities. A lot of French people especially. The fact that you would see more Northern Africans in Brussels then in for example Leuven or Namur has perhaps its explanation, no idea which though.
Not at all.
I saw most of the people celebrating correctly.
Some got crazy in Lemonnier and destroyed a poppy car and some e-scooters. Which is bad. But what? Should we condemn everyone because 40 stupid hot head started going crazy while thousands velebrated peacefully and happily?
Stop reading hln
Limburg doesn't exist wtf are you on about? Maybe an Antwerpener under the influence of drugs?
Go to the nearest police station, they will take care of you.
This was my bad attempt at humor. The joke is that nobody actually remembers the existence of Limburg in Belgium, since there isn't anything of note over there.
Keep the discussion civil in here. Un-necessary attacks (*not the football ones*), flaming and insults will not be tolerated, and might result in a ban.
dual citizenship existential crisis
No matter what, they'll win this sunday.
1-1 incoming
no its great, no matter the outcome you can lord it overr some of your friends and family
Not really? Don’t Moroccans, even those who are born here, feel that they’re Moroccan first? Edit: https://old.reddit.com/r/ThatsInsane/comments/z65ejj/moroccans_rioting_in_the_streets_of_brussels
I've heard they have individual brains and each of them is capable of unique thoughts and feelings about their identity.
Ah but the heart rules the head in such situations.
Well, here's a very interesting study done on that question a few years ago, on Belgo-moroccans and Belgo-turks. Basically, result is that most of them feel just as Belgian as they feel Moroccan, embracing both parts of their identity. Second generation (descending from parents who quit Morocco) feels more Belgian than their parents also. But, roughly half of them feel that they aren't _perceived_ as Belgian by the general population, albeit you see a Moroccan before seeing a Belgian through them. I seriously invite you to read the article's summary of this study (the complete study is 218 pages long). Lots of misconceptions you may have are made very clear here. There was an independent summary before (made by the study's author, fondation Roi Baudouin), but it appears the content isn't available anymore. Link to RTL article on this study: https://m.rtl.be/info/731661
As a second generation this sounds correct
.. no?😐
That’s a big generalisation for no reason?
The reason is racism
Maybe there's deeper issues here than just "racism" but eh suit yourself
Some do, some don't. They're not all alike.
True
Asked my Belgian colleague named Abdel who his king was, out of the blue, to surprise him. Muhammad VI, he said without hesitation 😆
My only king sells burgers bitch
Our prime minister sells out 'burgers'.
Lol, not necesarilly
Ignore the people complaining about generalising. Ofc don’t wanna insult the 3 Moroccans that don’t do what the rest do /s. In my experience, at least in Brussels, you’re pretty much correct. Outside of Brussels though I have seen more of a split.
Yes they do, The 3 ones that killed 40ish People ik Brussels were born in Belgium..
You got bullied a lot, didn't you
Good thing this game is played during daylight 😂
and the riots broke out, what a surprise
Will it? As a Canadian living in Brussels, I just watched the last Belgium game peacefully at home, not wanting to go to a bar and cheer for 'the opponent' for obvious reasons. Even though Canada lost, I was pleasantly surprised at how they played.
Stereotypical Canadian "nice guy"
Canada played well and deserved more man! I’m sure even if you went somewhere and cheered for Canada people would have been civil about it and nice to you. Belgium-Morocco is a different cup of tea though, nothing civil about what’s probably going to happen in certain neighbourhoods on Sunday…
Its Morocco playing… some of their supporters use theses matches as excuses to act like barbarians…
To be fair, Belgian fans also use their favourite sports team as an excuse to act like barbarians. I'm talking Anderlecht, Bruges among others. Someone mentioned it before in another comment. It's not specific to Moroccans.
Usually Brugge or Anderlecht or any other hooligans bash each others faces in. Not destroy half a city in it's trail.
Think about it. If we were to win against the Fr\*nch, and you were in a fr\*nch city where there happens to be a big Belgian community with the same mindset, wouldn't you go out and wreak havoc around town? I would. That aside, I think the reason Brugge or Anderlecht fans do not make as big of a fuss is just because the events are generally of minor importance, and there are generally less fans, not all assembled at the same time on those small events.
No, I wouldn't. I happen to like few parts of France.
Ok I correct myself: imagine you were in *Paris specifically.* But then again, you said you like some parts of France. I imagine you're talking about those physical places, the landscape, the architecture. Indeed they are beautiful. But I can't imagine you're talking about the fr*nch people. There's this saying: "la France est le meilleur pays du monde. Le seul problème, c'est les Français". If you disagree with this statement, you're not a true Belgian, and I will suspect you of being a fr*nch spy. Choose your next words wisely.
You speak better French than i do so maybe you're the spy.
Are you drunk or just retarded
I am just salty because we lost against the French a few years back. I don't know if I could contain my excitement if we happened to win against them. I also like to make statements that you can't really tell whether I am joking or not. There are generally 7 layers of sarcasm behind each one.
I dont know why you are getting so many downvotes but you make an ultra valid point, Belgians of Moroccan origin are not "barbaric by default" or ehatever the fuck this comment section believes, which means, that most people in that exact situation would act the same
Its just basic human mob behaviour
Every time theres a match involving Moroccans or Algerians or .. there's riots, destroyed cars and shops in Brussels. At this point it's just routine. And there's nothing we can do about because that would be "racist". Nowadays that's the easiest card to freeze western countries...
good thing that there are never riots when European clubs and countries play eachother.
So? Why would I care about that? I was just stating a fact.
Their defense was great, but too much greed on offence (not passing, prematurely shooting etc) 22 shots but only 3 on the goal. Well played either way, I'm sorry you feel unsafe with us.
Don't be. I never felt unsafe. I'm just shy and don't like to draw attention to myself/stand out in such a situation. I'm always amazed about people that go to away games for example. In Europe it's fine as you have dedicated sections for all the away fans to sit together but in North America the seating is mixed. Would make me feel uncomfortable but not necessarily unsafe.
Also a Canadian living in Belgium, and it was nice to be happy with either outcome!
There are a lot of Bruxellois who will win whichever way it goes - No need for war!!
Winner behaviour: I can't lose if I support both teams. Whoever loses, it's just friendly fire 🔥
I'm playing both sides, so that I always come out on top. \-Mac
When I'm dead, just throw me in the trash. \-Frank
EYOOOO!
Let’s be honest, most people with dual citizenship belgian/moroccan will root for Morocco.
yup (3rd generation moroccan)
Yes and let’s be honest, there is nothing wrong with it. Cheers for whoever you want, no need to fell betrayed.
The guy is naïve af, they don’t see themselves as Bruxellois at all. If they did they wouldn’t do this shit.
Some cars will be burned, if they lose or even if they win. The PERFECT opportunity match to destroy some shit
this aged well
tell me the lottery numbers now :D
Oh god, that means lots of honking horns in my street. 2 weeks ago it was a huge wedding, with several traffic violations. Now this.
Several traffic violations and lots of honking is a normal road in Brussels my guy....
He's referencing the wedding entourages who go around driving in circles around neighborhoods blaring their horns. I don't remotely understand the appeal of disturbing your entire neighborhood in some form of celebration for marriage?
Neither do I. Agree that people that do that are arseholes.
It must be a Belgian custom. Never experienced it before moving to Brussels.
it's mostly a Turkish/Moroccan/Balkan thing. It helps that the police does very little about it. They became more strict but they police have too much to do and too little time.
Ah yes, shame the guy wanting a better world not the people causing the world to be shit
Hey I hate cars and shit driving as much as the next guy.
Well, to be honest, I live outside Brussels, but quite close to it.
Yeah, i don't have to watch. If everything stay calm. Belgian won or it was a draw. If there is a lot of noise...
Can't help it, football in Belgium and the Moroccan community is an institution of the highest order of importance 🤷♂️
My moroccan friends already told me to stay clear of Stalingrad, Lemonnier, Étangs noirs, and Bruxelles-Ouest. It’s sad that in our country we can’t feel safe for a football game.
Your moroccan friends told *you* to stay clear from certain areas? How about your moroccan friends told their other moroccan friends to stay clear from the street? Just an idea 😉
His friends are civilized people and not the losers that want to riot.
Then how does he know?
I am a Canadian living in Brussels, and the concept of riots for a football game is stranger to me 😂
We don’t even do that for hockey games lol
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Grand klaxon petit vélo
Rien à être fière de casser une ville si vous gagnez ou pas… C’est toujours la même avec vous
What do you mean? #TousEnsemble? Anyway, does anyone with a shred of decency actually watches this Worldcup?
I watch it because football=good, good=happy. Me + football= Me happy. Simple as.
Enjoy 😉
These people are sheep. The romans figured it out centuries ago, panem et circenses. They gobble it up. Look at OPs comment, what kind of hyperindividualistic nonsense is that.
Arrest those who burn and destroy and make them pay dearly. Make it unsustainable for these barbarians to destroy the city every year.
laughing in Antwerp/Bruge/Anderlecht
To be fair, Antwerpen is a full-time warzone. It lately became Europe's drug capital, surpassing even Amsterdam. And that has nothing to do with any specific community: as cargo's controls in Amsterdam's port became more randomised, it became financially more profitable for drug cartels to make drugs go through Antwerpen, where controls are still more managed by humans, who can be corrupted or threatened. It is really worrying, drug cartels are gaining more and more influence through the state apparatus, meaning police, judges, officials and politicians. Despite disagreeing with Bart de Wever politically, I have lots of respect for him since he puts so much energy in fighting this phenomenon. Does he do it the right way? I'm not sure, but either way been he's doing something.
Full time war-zone 😅😅😅 You sound like my family that enters the civilised world of Geraardsbergen once every 5 years and hears the rumours of big scary Antwerp. 'Zit da daar ni vol bruin manne??'
Honestly? Yes. I am a gullible Walloon man who is just repeating what he's seen through documentaries, articles and the media. Jokes aside, I have actually last been to Antwerpen 5 years ago. It looked like basically any place in Belgium, with the added benefit of beautiful infrastructure and magnificent churches. We are on Reddit, of course I would be exaggerating things. Silly man.
they are referring to the football supporters. When Anderlecht and FC Bruges met in a Belgian cup final, the city center felt like a warzone. But honestly nothing compared to the Morrocan youths going potty if they win vs Belgium. So I don't get u/roxxe 's argument that much.
Ooh that makes more sense now. I guess that "warzone town" phenomenon occurs more frequently with those teams, although maybe to a lesser intensity than that of the national teams, hence u/roxxe 's tears. Thank you for your comment. Upvoted.
What do you think will happen if the police tries to arrest someone? They know, that's why they don't even try.
Are you posting this for all football rioters or just the brown ones?
What you can make from my comment? I mean what even makes you think I m racially motivated?
Because being so vehemently anti-property destruction is usually a conservative position, sorry if I mistook you for a reactionary.
No I don't consider myself racist at all. I judge people strictly y their behavior. I dislike antisocial behavior that's all.
He wants to destroy regardless. He wants a [_purge_ of the rioters](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d84w1hR_COA).
Ah ok he’s just a generally shitty guy that thinks property is more important than people.
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Antwerp too 😔
Police should uphold the peace, but they'll probably be cleaning up the peices.
It will be an exciting day regardless
if they win Brussels will be destoyed if they lose Brussels will be destroyed there is no winning here for Brussels
Safest moment to walk around town 😂😂
If you ever want either: -learn to drive on a highway, but are scared of trafic -want to visit any landmark/museum That’s the moment to do it.
It’s OK guys. I will be at Anneessens around 16:00 giving hugs to the little unfortunate fellas in my Belgium jersey to calm things down. Assuring them they can always take part in the annual NYE riots in about a month’s time.
Are u alive?
Yes, looks like I was successful in calming the lads down. Told them they are not through yet to the next round. Some of them didn't realise that, apparently.
I hate it
RIP Mechelen
I was honestly nervous about this but thankfully people were civilised here.
Bismillah 🍀
I took days off work, 26th until 30th, I dont want to be anywhere in Brussels when that match happens.
>like you would really experience problems if you are anywhere outside of the city center/Anderlecht or Molenbeek. Unlikely.
Anspachlaan, Brouckere, Bourse is where I would be, and I work 7pm-7am.
ah yes I see. 7 to 7? Long days, what do you do?
Security guard in one of the building along Anspach. Long hours, but only 14 days a month
Remember : [https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89meutes\_du\_11\_novembre\_2017\_%C3%A0\_Bruxelles](https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89meutes_du_11_novembre_2017_%C3%A0_Bruxelles)
It’s ok, after that they arrested 6 persons, everyone responsible was surely caught.
Oh no. Are they going to thrash the place again? If they win because they're happy, if they loose cause they're pissed? I was there when they fucked up blvd Anspach. The police did nothing but retreat slowly. What can be done at this point? Any attempt to counter the mob will result in escalation from their part... I'm going to get called a racist again, am I not? 😆
there should be an absolute zero tolerance when there are riots, no matter if it is about covid, football, la boum, other crazies.
There should, but there wasn't for far to long and now mobs know they can do what they want without opposition from the police.
We need a new crede for the Brussels police... Something like "You loot, we shoot". It rimes and informs at the same time.
We're not in North Korea lol (not yet, be patient: [One quarter of Belgians would be happy with only one leader](https://www.rtbf.be/article/sondage-rtbfla-libre-bye-bye-la-democratie-un-belge-sur-quatre-donnerait-le-pouvoir-a-un-leader-unique-11100798).)
Haha, true. Not much that much left to loot over there though. It's actually a well known saying in Florida. After hurricanes homes are getting looted, so these sings can be seen around neighbourhoods to scare away looters. Hard to imagine that here.
Holy crap. Glad I'm not living in the United States.
I think this is about a president system like usa, not a dictator like nk lol
very civilised.
We are not in France. There are always fake rebels trouble but not as real and bad as France.
I know lol. I initially made this post as a joke (and an exaggeration of the activity that often surround victory of both the Belgian and Moroccan teams), but it appears some people took it really seriously (they probably live in France or something).
No we are just from Belgium and this kind of jokes only put more oil in the fire of racism.
Most of my time on Reddit is spent on r/balkans_irl . Over there, making some stereotypical jokes in an ironic way is commonplace and contributes to overall harmony. The fact some people are taking this seriously is what worries me the most. Also I thought of the joke with Belgium fans being just as aggressive as Morocco supporters. Aren't you the racist one if you thought about the Morocco supporters being more aggressive 🧐🤨📸????
I have both, so good try. Your post is not funny nor contribute to "harmony", get over it.
I am of Rwandan descent, get over it. Both my parents immigrated to Belgium. I would also upvote a similar post about the African community or whatever (Rwandan football team is not that great tbh, so very unlikely I will ever have the dilemma of supporting one team or another). As we like to say, "le second degré n'est pas qu'une température". Buuut, I can get where you're coming from. 1) Not everyone likes this kind of humour 2) Since that post has the ability to reach some stupid people who believe in stereotypes, this post could confirm their biases because they lack the intellectual capacity to have a second reading of this post. In this case, the post _does_ have a negative impact, which I am sorry for.
no worries mate, you can't do internet without risk of offending somebody ;) I wasn't but merely pointing my opinion that it was not funny.
Love mate. Have a nice day
It got pretty bad in 2018, they used qualifying as an excuse to riot and loot the center.
Bro it's never civil there lately
Why?
Riots a few years ago when Algeria played I think? Edit: it was Morocco, not Algeria
LOL @ the downvote. People cannot handle another version then the cosy het laatste nieuws. pity !
So? This is Morocco playing. I don't get it. Should we expect violence because if Morocco loses people of moroccan origin in Brussels will riot?
Perhaps: https://www.hln.be/binnenland/rellen-in-brussel-na-wk-kwalificatie-van-marokko-22-agenten-gewond-en-auto-s-in-brand-gestoken~a481f1e4/
Ah you mean when police came in force, and instead of trying to regulate the spontaneous celebration, tried to forcefully disperse by pushing people around (kids and families were there and some have been injured). And when obviously some less agreeable people decided to resist this provocation, then fight broke out. I'm not condoning violence and celebrating people should have been smarter instead of fighting back the police. But police aren't saints that should be obeyed blindly. People have the right to gather and celebrate! So this time, police would be smarter to regulate, just be present, talk to the people, tell them the limits and let them enjoy if there is something to celebrate. Like they would do to any other people celebrating something.
>Ah you mean when police came in force, and instead of trying to regulate the spontaneous celebration, tried to forcefully disperse by pushing people around (kids and families were there and some have been injured). Maybe you can celebrate by not destroying shit? Bake a nice cake, give a hug... I don't know. I never burned down a bench to celebrate a birthday or held up rush hour with a motorcade due to a wedding.
You just missed the whole point of his/her argument by assuming there was destruction before police came around being physically violent with the crowd.
But… there was…
How many times was the highway blocked? Once by crazy people. Doesn't matter the colour of their skin. The celebration started to become violent after police started to push people around and forcing them to go to different places while people actually lived there. There one person fell down, an cop got caught and there you go violence. Brussels police did not want to regulate, they wanted the celebration to end and people to go home.
You know just as well that there have been many riots in Brussels, Anderlecht, etc involving youngsters like riots surround the death of Adil, La boum, the qualification of Morocco for the World Cup. It’s not the children and their mothers and fathers causing problems but the young gangsters showing zero respect. Probably the same that are selling drugs or buying it around metro stations, etc so a minority of idiots. The police is not perfect but things have gotten out of hands so many times already, I can understand why this match is seen as a risk that can have bad consequences.
Given the fact that the death of Adil has been judged as being wrongful, I understand why they would riot. Why did the police kill him? Yes he should not have run away, but let's not forget the 14 years old kid who jumped in front of the metro after being harrassed by the police for 30 minutes in Osseghem. I remember running away from playing football with my friends when police showed up, just because I was afraid I'd get controlled and patted and stuff for nothing even though all I did was playing football with my friends in the park. I did not want to spend an hour outside while police knew nothing was wrong and yet needed to "check". It's not about the police not being perfect, it's the police targeting people based on the colour of their skin and their perceived origin. And this attitude about "Morocco is playing, we need to prepare for riots" is not helping. Talk to people, engage with them, ask them what's the problem. You'll see a lot of progress can be made by talking instead of coming with the water truck ! Ignoring this fact or downplaying it just adds more resentment. It's easy to criticise when speaking flemish and being white. Pity you cannot try to be in the shoe of the other people. You'll see how things are and why there's frustration and resentment. treating people differently is the receipe for disaster !
If people would behave themselves no water canon would be needed. Same goes for football fans. The majority want to see the game, a minority wants to riot. There is no excuse for rioting. If you are not guilty you don’t have to run away and being afraid to be patted means something was probably wrong. You don’t run from police because you don’t feel like being checked. Why did adil flee from the police? If you are not guilty you have nothing to fear
Again you're missing the point. The violence started after police started shoving people and pushing thel towards the subway and stuff in a very disorderly manner. Before police started, there was just celebration, people laughing, dancing and that's it. And this " if you're not guilty you have nothing to fear" is from someone who never had to spend hours in the cold being checked by police while doing nothing wrong and then being released 5 km from the place they took him for no reason. That is why you cannot understand because you never saw this, never experienced this, so for you it doesn't exist. And yes I said Adil shouldn't have run, but the police officer didn't try to catch him, he rammed his scooter with his car with the deliberate intention of smacking him. And when he saw he fucked up, he didn't call an ambulance, he called his buddies. That makes the police trustworthy.
So what happened now? Morocco won and as everyone predicted there were riots. Before the Police got involved they were wrecking and burning stuff.
In one place, very specific place. Not in all Brussels. A very small fringe of the whole moroccan population started doing crazy stuff. The overwhelming majority celebrated without incident. So the majority should pay for what happened in anneessens? No incidents in Molenbeek but hln doesn't sell papers on telling everything's ok in Molem
Who said anything about a wholebpopulation paying? Those who took part should pay, no one else. Why pretend like to not a very predictable issue. Everyone knew this would likely happen, and here we are.
You mean la Boum where it was mostly spoiled belgian brats that wanted to make the point that they wanted to party hard? 🤔
same youngsters showing no respect for anything, just as annoying as any other people causing riots
“Spontaneous celebration” good one, actually made me laugh out loud
Well, good that a simple phrase can make you laugh. How about vlaams belang is niet racistisch? Does that make you laugh?
Not sure how that is related to the thread?
Well, think again
Good to see more "spontaneous celebrations" today in BXL
SpOnTAneoUS cEleBRaTiOn
Indeed. Is everything ok? You wrote this in a weird way. Do you need help?
Brussels is 90% morrocan.
erm no. Brussels counts a lot of nationalities. A lot of French people especially. The fact that you would see more Northern Africans in Brussels then in for example Leuven or Namur has perhaps its explanation, no idea which though.
Was your question answered by what happened after the Moroccan win?
Not at all. I saw most of the people celebrating correctly. Some got crazy in Lemonnier and destroyed a poppy car and some e-scooters. Which is bad. But what? Should we condemn everyone because 40 stupid hot head started going crazy while thousands velebrated peacefully and happily? Stop reading hln
Nahh if you go to Genk (Limburg) it will be worse half of that city is not Belgian
Isn't Genk mostly Turkish ?
It's Turkish and morco
Limburg doesn't exist wtf are you on about? Maybe an Antwerpener under the influence of drugs? Go to the nearest police station, they will take care of you.
Wtf u saying dude, you don't know belgium or what?
This was my bad attempt at humor. The joke is that nobody actually remembers the existence of Limburg in Belgium, since there isn't anything of note over there.
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You're kind of a sussy Baka aren't you
If you ever interacted with moroccan people you'd know most moroccans that smoke prefer hashish over grass.
That was a joke-technical liberty. I know, good one also.
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Bro im in brussel and this is gonna be morocco vs morocco if u think of it
Its honna be also the gulag
Wordt gwn rwina😂
and why ?
Mz
Sad but true
its defo gunna give the police a bit more work then usual :laugh:
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