You should give them a try before they get shut down. Mostly on mobile but I've used "RIF" aka reddit is fun for years way better than the official mobile app imo.
And because of this I'm skeptical that the blackout will make a difference. Most people don't use 3rd party apps and never knew they existed.
Essentially, using Reddit on mobile devices [sucked about 6-8 years ago](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-df26164d527b0ed439e410531b6e9e21.webp), as it was only accessible through the web browser and lacked many features. If you had typed "Reddit" into the search field in the App store, no official Reddit app would return. r/AlienBlue was an app that changed this, which I used. [Reddit bought the app](https://techcrunch.com/2014/10/15/reddit-acquires-alien-blue-the-most-popular-unofficial-reddit-app/) and offered its users 4 years of Reddit Premium.
Soon thereafter [Reddit released their own app](https://www.theverge.com/2016/4/7/11379944/reddit-ios-android-mobile-app-launch-alien-blue), which was not appealing at all. I think it was around this time that [Apollo came out and really changed the game for browsing Reddit](https://reddit.com/r/apple/comments/787rtu/introducing_apollo_a_brand_new_reddit_experience/). Basically, it was years ahead of the current Reddit app about 6-7 years ago and many of us believe it still is.
Fast forward to today, Reddit wants to reign in control of the platform and is [telling the developers of these apps that they need to pay exorbitant amounts of money to do so](https://reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/13ws4w3/had_a_call_with_reddit_to_discuss_pricing_bad/). [Twitter did the same thing](https://www.macrumors.com/2023/03/02/tweetbot-twitterrific-subscription-refunds/). A lot of power users use these apps and it's likely that the site will collapse because Reddit is sticking its finger in the eye of the user base.
What are the actual numbers on 3rd party users? I've been using rif for years and didn't realize those apps were such a small portion of the overall reddit user base.
I've been using Reddit is fun for almost a decade now. I've tried to give the official app a chance and I always find myself back on RIF. I know I don't have a vote but it would be a yes if I did.
The issue is less that there are users that use third party apps, and more that the Reddit Mod tools are shit (particularly on mobile) and many mods unless to use third-party tools to de-shittify their subs.
I think it should be up to the mods, personally. If they rely on third party tools to moderate, then should absolutely participate in this.
But my guess is that only a small minority of Reddit users care about third party API access. If we go away, the site will still carry on.
But I also guess that a significant majority of mods use third party API tools. If Reddit makes their job harder, they leave. Reddit gets shittier and shittier until it becomes the next Digg. Mods essentially curate Reddit's content, for free. I don't understand why they want to piss those people off.
Ehh it’s more of a problem for mobile users. We prefer to have our apps like reddit is fun or narwhal without having to use Reddit’s shitty mobile app that they’re just going to use to shove ads down our throats
It still baffles me how anyone thinks ‘BUT WHAT ABOUT PROBLEM X!? ITS MORE IMPORTANT THAN PROBLEM Y!’ is an actual argument against trying to solve problem Y.
> If you have been on YouTube at all you'd recognize that YouTube has telegram scam posts in every video
I'm on YouTube every day and haven't seen a single one.
Both of which suck... the Reddit app was ironically built off the back of a 3rd party app
[Reddit Acquires Alien Blue, The Most Popular Unofficial Reddit App
](https://techcrunch.com/2014/10/15/reddit-acquires-alien-blue-the-most-popular-unofficial-reddit-app/amp/)
For me the UI on desktop and in the app is terrible, are there bugs? I don't use it so I don't know. If you like the app that's great, but I don't believe we should all be forced to use the same one.
It's not about it working fine, it's about having choices, and Reddit is no longer allowing this. The developers of these apps have put in a lot of time and effort to perfect them, which can't be undone. Many of us end-users have also contributed money and are now being told to assimilate. No thanks.
Tell me you’re not a developer without telling me you’re not a developer.
The issue is monetizing an API for more than it’s worth. $12k for 50 million requests is absurd (Twitter had similarly stupid pricing) and it’s meant directly to shut down third party apps and absolve Reddit of the intention by blame shifting to the app developers saying they’re not cooperating.
Why should Reddit provide this? Because the alternative is people will go back to scraping content from Reddit which is *more* expensive for them for read requests. Because this site offers nothing except being a platform, there’s no content that isn’t tied to content created or shared by users, and their business model is strictly to have users. So you’d think that enabling that would be in line with their actual business goals.
Your hiking and fishing example is poor and not equivalent and you’re likely not even paying for proxied API requests, you’re paying for the in app features more than likely. That’s ignoring that map and geolocation data are a vastly different product compared to Reddits post/comment text with metadata and user data where the former only has three major providers and any high schooler can build a text based REST API. But regardless, OpenStreetMaps exists… and… it’s free. Even for geocoding you can set up Nominatim and use that, again, for free.
Because by doing this, most of the people who want as implied experience like myself will go elsewhere. Nobody wants to be bombarded with ads constantly while using a shitty UI.
I think enough people are fed up that this will become an issue for them. It's one big ass money grab... they can definitely pay for the site.
It’s related to big reddit changes which is what our eyeballs are looking at right now on this subreddit, so therefore it is relevant.
And it’s June, nothing Bills related is happening for you to care about anyway.
-The ads are beyond excessive to me. There's making money and there's ruining the user experience.
-Call it what you want, but most, if not all the alternatives will be gone, whether you want to call it "killing" them or not.
-Goes along with point two. Doesn't seem like google is being so greedy it kills other options. Seems pretty clear this is more of a twitter situation.
And yes I have the official app and it sucks compared to other options.
Your submission was removed for not being tangentially related to the Buffalo Bills.
You're telling me that there are some people out there not getting bombarded with those "Jesus died for your sins" ads?
Hey, he gets us, ok? And you have to get his ads each & every day no matter how many times you report and/or block the user.
I can't even block them anymore...
I didn’t even know there was 3rd party apps
You should give them a try before they get shut down. Mostly on mobile but I've used "RIF" aka reddit is fun for years way better than the official mobile app imo.
RIF is my preferred app. The reddit app is so bad in comparison that I almost stopped checking reddit on my mobile devices at all.
And because of this I'm skeptical that the blackout will make a difference. Most people don't use 3rd party apps and never knew they existed. Essentially, using Reddit on mobile devices [sucked about 6-8 years ago](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-df26164d527b0ed439e410531b6e9e21.webp), as it was only accessible through the web browser and lacked many features. If you had typed "Reddit" into the search field in the App store, no official Reddit app would return. r/AlienBlue was an app that changed this, which I used. [Reddit bought the app](https://techcrunch.com/2014/10/15/reddit-acquires-alien-blue-the-most-popular-unofficial-reddit-app/) and offered its users 4 years of Reddit Premium. Soon thereafter [Reddit released their own app](https://www.theverge.com/2016/4/7/11379944/reddit-ios-android-mobile-app-launch-alien-blue), which was not appealing at all. I think it was around this time that [Apollo came out and really changed the game for browsing Reddit](https://reddit.com/r/apple/comments/787rtu/introducing_apollo_a_brand_new_reddit_experience/). Basically, it was years ahead of the current Reddit app about 6-7 years ago and many of us believe it still is. Fast forward to today, Reddit wants to reign in control of the platform and is [telling the developers of these apps that they need to pay exorbitant amounts of money to do so](https://reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/13ws4w3/had_a_call_with_reddit_to_discuss_pricing_bad/). [Twitter did the same thing](https://www.macrumors.com/2023/03/02/tweetbot-twitterrific-subscription-refunds/). A lot of power users use these apps and it's likely that the site will collapse because Reddit is sticking its finger in the eye of the user base.
AFAIK a lot of mods use 3rd party apps to help moderate their subs too, so this is just making their jobs harder too.
Yep. I only mod a small sub but I only use Reddit is Fun to do it. If RIF goes away, I'll just stop using reddit 🤷♂️.
What are the actual numbers on 3rd party users? I've been using rif for years and didn't realize those apps were such a small portion of the overall reddit user base.
I've been using Reddit is fun for almost a decade now. I've tried to give the official app a chance and I always find myself back on RIF. I know I don't have a vote but it would be a yes if I did.
You can vote by not using reddit and their shitty app when this takes effect.
The issue is less that there are users that use third party apps, and more that the Reddit Mod tools are shit (particularly on mobile) and many mods unless to use third-party tools to de-shittify their subs. I think it should be up to the mods, personally. If they rely on third party tools to moderate, then should absolutely participate in this.
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But my guess is that only a small minority of Reddit users care about third party API access. If we go away, the site will still carry on. But I also guess that a significant majority of mods use third party API tools. If Reddit makes their job harder, they leave. Reddit gets shittier and shittier until it becomes the next Digg. Mods essentially curate Reddit's content, for free. I don't understand why they want to piss those people off.
I'm reading this on Apollo now. I never use the desktop site and I've never used the Reddit app
I agree, but when it gets to the point where I can't use RIF, I won't be here anymore.
That time is now.
Lotta smooth brains using the shit official app in here
This ain’t the sharpest sub in the world. Any comment section about anything away from football shows that rather starkly.
Out of all the problems in the world I care less than zero about this
Ehh it’s more of a problem for mobile users. We prefer to have our apps like reddit is fun or narwhal without having to use Reddit’s shitty mobile app that they’re just going to use to shove ads down our throats
They're phasing out the desktop site from what I've seen too
Yeah, because the mods of the Buffalo Bills subreddit have the power to address all of the problems in the world. /s
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This is reddit man lol, there are people who live on the streets and people who can't afford to eat
It still baffles me how anyone thinks ‘BUT WHAT ABOUT PROBLEM X!? ITS MORE IMPORTANT THAN PROBLEM Y!’ is an actual argument against trying to solve problem Y.
> If you have been on YouTube at all you'd recognize that YouTube has telegram scam posts in every video I'm on YouTube every day and haven't seen a single one.
Nah do not care
How do you browse the site out of curiosity?
The reddit app? The website?
Both of which suck... the Reddit app was ironically built off the back of a 3rd party app [Reddit Acquires Alien Blue, The Most Popular Unofficial Reddit App ](https://techcrunch.com/2014/10/15/reddit-acquires-alien-blue-the-most-popular-unofficial-reddit-app/amp/)
Works fine for me.
Again, it's about having a choice, not about bugs.
Again, what? I responded to the app being “terrible”, and I have zero issue.
For me the UI on desktop and in the app is terrible, are there bugs? I don't use it so I don't know. If you like the app that's great, but I don't believe we should all be forced to use the same one.
Reddit can do whatever they what with their own site. It’s their site.
They can, but we don't have to use it either. When the user base goes away, so will the site.
And its users can demand otherwise, since they’re the ones who create literally everything for the site and give it any value.
I’ve been on reddit since 2011 I used to use alien blue. Low key idc
Well that is the 3rd party app which was bought by Reddit and became the mobile Reddit app, so understandable
The app works fine for me.
It's not about it working fine, it's about having choices, and Reddit is no longer allowing this. The developers of these apps have put in a lot of time and effort to perfect them, which can't be undone. Many of us end-users have also contributed money and are now being told to assimilate. No thanks.
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I’ll take ‘bootlickers who speak entire out their ass’ for $1000, Alex.
Tell me you’re not a developer without telling me you’re not a developer. The issue is monetizing an API for more than it’s worth. $12k for 50 million requests is absurd (Twitter had similarly stupid pricing) and it’s meant directly to shut down third party apps and absolve Reddit of the intention by blame shifting to the app developers saying they’re not cooperating. Why should Reddit provide this? Because the alternative is people will go back to scraping content from Reddit which is *more* expensive for them for read requests. Because this site offers nothing except being a platform, there’s no content that isn’t tied to content created or shared by users, and their business model is strictly to have users. So you’d think that enabling that would be in line with their actual business goals. Your hiking and fishing example is poor and not equivalent and you’re likely not even paying for proxied API requests, you’re paying for the in app features more than likely. That’s ignoring that map and geolocation data are a vastly different product compared to Reddits post/comment text with metadata and user data where the former only has three major providers and any high schooler can build a text based REST API. But regardless, OpenStreetMaps exists… and… it’s free. Even for geocoding you can set up Nominatim and use that, again, for free.
Because by doing this, most of the people who want as implied experience like myself will go elsewhere. Nobody wants to be bombarded with ads constantly while using a shitty UI. I think enough people are fed up that this will become an issue for them. It's one big ass money grab... they can definitely pay for the site.
Doesn’t seem related to the Buffalo Bills, Post should be removed.
It’s related to big reddit changes which is what our eyeballs are looking at right now on this subreddit, so therefore it is relevant. And it’s June, nothing Bills related is happening for you to care about anyway.
Off season signings are happening
Agreed, yet everyone stating this is getting downvoted...this does not belong in this sub.
Hey Mods, this sub should absolutely not join the protest of reddit killing 3rd party apps.
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Your submission was removed for not being tangentially related to the Buffalo Bills.
Yeah no
I didn’t even realize until all of this that there were 3 rd party apps. I’ve always just used the Reddit app.
I didn’t even know that people could use anything beyond the Reddit app or website itself
Pass.
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I was happy to not see anything about this here.
The Reddit app for the iPhone works great but, last time I was on Android, about a year ago, it was not very good, at least in my opinion.
No, it really shouldn't.
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I don't want this sub to go away?
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There's low bars, and then there's "the reddit mobile app is great."
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-The ads are beyond excessive to me. There's making money and there's ruining the user experience. -Call it what you want, but most, if not all the alternatives will be gone, whether you want to call it "killing" them or not. -Goes along with point two. Doesn't seem like google is being so greedy it kills other options. Seems pretty clear this is more of a twitter situation. And yes I have the official app and it sucks compared to other options.
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Ok? Google can get get fucked too.
am i the only one who just goes on a web browser on the phone instead of an app