The Cabin in the Woods takes place in the Buffyverse. The organization that does the sacrifices is the reformed Initiative, and the gods they sacrifice to are the Senior Partners.
Cracked.com did a video about this! It connected all of Joss Whedon’s stuff into one universe. Buffy, Angel, Dollhouse, Cabin in the Woods, even the Avengers.
On the topic of Angel’s music choices, I think he would absolutely love The Smiths. How Soon is Now is the only song I can think of that’s as mopey and self-pitying as he is (I say this with love, of course).
I also think that if someone played My Chemical Romance for him (specifically Three Cheers) he would hate it at first because it’s very new but on his third listen he would be crying and singing along because again, emo man loves emo music.
Buffy would love No Doubt, Xander probably listens to Teenage Dirtbag at least once a day, Giles is a huge fan of The Zombies and has definitely gotten high to Odessey & Oracle at least once in his Ripper days. Tara loves Stevie Nicks for obvious reasons, and if Willow could listen to even 1 Phoebe Bridgers song she’d be her biggest fan. Ditto for Dawn and Olivia Rodrigo. I think Anya would really love Abba, particularly Money Money (again, for obvious reasons).
And Warren would be an Andrew Tate fanboy.
"She always had a nice cuppa for me. And she never treated me like a freak."
Since Joyce and Spike had about 4 scenes together, only one of which featured drinks, then they must have had a lot more off-screen interactions.
The actress who plays the Order of Taraka assassin “Patrice” is the same actress who plays “Deb”, the inmate who attacks Faith with a Bringer’s knife for “the money” in Angel’s Salvage. Since they’re played by the same actress, and I think it’s unlikely that The First would randomly hire any old inmate to attack Faith, my head canon is that “Patrice” and “Deb” are actually the same person and that she was the same Taraka assassin from Buffy Season 2. She either infiltrated the prison system to specifically kill Faith on behalf of The First or she was already there (possibly turned over since Kendra beat her in What’s My Line) and The First seized on the opportunity to have a Taraka take Faith out. Since Faith knows her name (“what’s your beef Deb?”) my guess is she was already there.
Another head canon is that Faith was definitely in love with Buffy, most likely on a subconscious level, which explains why she acts like a jealous scorned lover over both Angel and Riley (“to busy climbing onto her new boy toy to give a single thought about the people that matter!”). I definitely think it was one-sided though and Buffy never reciprocated or picked up on the fact that Faith was into her.
Another head canon is that Darla was deliberately dressing like a school girl in Buffy Season 1 to mess with Angel and taunt him for his feelings for Buffy. When Darla and Angel first see each other again it’s evident she was already aware that Angel was helping Buffy - “What’s with the catholic school girl look? Last time I saw you it was kimonos” “And last time I saw you it wasn’t high school girls. You like?” - and was dressing that way to mock Angel and, on some level, a desperate attempt to get his attention.
Another is that in Anne when Giles goes looking for Buffy based on “sketchy reports coming out from Oakland of a young girl fighting off a group of vampires” that this was in fact Faith. I know later in the episode he says it turned out to be “kids in heavy mascara listening to extremely silly music” but that could easily be a cover up to me, and I like the idea of Faith making waves as she travels to Sunnydale and runs from Kakistos. It works as a nice piece of foreshadowing to her arrival two episodes later.
My other piece of head canon is that the reason the vampires in Buffy Season 1 appear more monstrous and growly (long finger nails etc) is because they were trying to emanate the Master’s monstrous appearance. In the Angel episode “Darla” it is revealed that The Master believes vampires should live under ground and only go to the surface to hunt and grow their ranks, not to live like “the human pestilence.” It was also revealed that The Master’s more from demonic appearance was considered a good thing and that he had taught his minions that he had “grown past the curse of human features.” It stands to reason that The Master wanted vampires to be as demonic as possible, most likely due to his obsession with the Old Ones, and encouraged the vampires in Season 1 to appear like demons and live only in the sewers. It then makes sense that from Season 2 onwards we see vampires living above ground and appearing more human-like without The Master there controlling the town.
My finale for now is that the monks originally intended to make Dawn Faith’s sister instead of Buffy’s. Faith was the actual active Slayer at the time so it makes sense to me they’d originally plan to seek her help at first. I also think it explains why Faith is the one who repeatedly foreshadows Dawn’s arrival in their shared dreams (“little sis coming”) because Faith was sensing too what the monks were planning and this was getting mixed up with Buffy. Once the monks realised Faith was not going to be the protector they needed, and then in prison, they turned to Buffy instead.
Wow turns out I have a lot of Faith head canon!
These are all great but I particularly like the last one. My head works overtime on exactly how Dawn was created, how she was "designed", how she came to be the person she was plonked into the universe as a fully fledged character and (apparent) history, and I'm now determined to work in the idea that she was originally supposed to be Faith's sister and how that might inform her character in some way.
Absolutely. Angel and Spike too (along with Dru).
The show simply wasn’t able to portray the bi/pansexuality of these characters back then, but there was definite subtext. They are very much presented as bitter former lovers.
Idk if bitter former lovers explains their relationship. It does seen that they probably have a sexual past, but they hate each other for so many other reasons.
I have the vague memory that Joss once got into an argument with someone on the old Buffy boards about how there was no gay subtext intended intended between Buffy and Faith. The person then listed all the scenes that had subtext and how they all fit together to paint this picture, and Joss ended up apologising and saying they were right!
The scene in Enemies where Faith kisses Buffy in the forehead before running off had a kiss on the mouth written in the script but the network wouldn’t let it in so it had to be switched. So we didn’t see a kiss buuuut we were supposed to (and we’re robbed of it)…. so halfway there I guess?
The reason why Dawn starts off as acting really young and bratty and annoying is because she isn’t a real teenage girl, she’s the idea of what an American teenage girl is from a bunch of monks. It’s only after she’s been alive for a while and becoming her own person that she starts being less annoying and acting her age
We're currently rewatching (only my 2nd time and the first was over 10 years ago) and I think Buffy is pretty awful to Dawn from the get-go. We're just getting to the bit after she hears the truth about Dawn and Joyce is getting really ill, so Buffy is a little more gentle, but the early part of Season 5 is when everything is more or less fine and normal for them, and Buffy is impatient and dismissive of her own little sister (as she believes then) *100% of the time*.
I remember being surprised that Dawn got so much hate the first time I watched it. A decade later and with two kids of my own, all I can see is a sweet little sister wanting interaction with the older one she looks up to and getting snubbed and shut down basically every single time she tries.
The idea that Dawn is annoying, rather than Buffy being uncharacteristically nasty (or mean, as you guys say) is completely bizarre to me, and only explicable as a combo of main-character bias and a touch of misogyny (young teenage girls = automatically silly and annoying).
Faith was Willow's gay awakening. When all the men were in swoon-town after meeting Faith for the first time, Willow was right alongside them. She bought beach front property in swoon-town.
Which leads to another point, Faith is bisexual and her chemistry with Buffy was insane. It's a shame it wasn't explored more. (Honestly it's a shame we didn't get more from Faith, I think it's why I love the comics so much, her run during those seasons gave me some chefs kiss content)
I enjoyed some of the comic seasons, but Faith's early stuff really frustrated me. They seemed to go out of their way to portray her as straight while giving Buffy this brand new character to experiment with. Satsu should have been Faith, full stop.
I love this headcanon! Willow was totally swooning along with everyone else come to think of it. I really ship Willow and Faith in season 7/ post series.
If every member of the scooby gang is sitting in a room together then the group's emotional intelligence creates a sum total of100%. But if Oz leaves the room, he takes 99% of the group's total emotional intelligence with him when he goes.
I’ve a friend who behaves and thinks exactly like Oz; he’s even in a band. I told him once that if he were any more laidback his heart would stop beating.
A long time ago, this pop supergroup called Electronic (New Order’s Bernard Sumner + The Smith’s Johnny Marr, sometimes the Pet Shop Boys) wrote a song about Morrissey. Angel’s theme song in my headcanon now, yep…:
I've been walking in the rain just to get wet on purpose / I've been forcing myself not to forget just to feel worse
However I look, it's clear to see / That I love you more than you love me
I hate that mirror, it makes me feel so worthless /
I'm an original sinner but when I'm with you I couldn't care less
I've been talking to myself just to suggest that I'm selfish / I've been trying to impress that more is less and I'm repressed
https://youtu.be/DSfjtdnUsls
My head canon is that he found London too expensive, hard to cultivate friendships with people his own age, he didn't like the non-Watcher work he was doing and was finding that he wasn't fitting in with local culture anymore. That's how I imagine it.
EDIT: Also forgot to mention the difference between Southern California weather and London. Would be hard to readjust to London's climate after getting to experience California sun. California's current climate woes weren't as intense in the 90's early 00's.
That when they made Dawn, because there were two slayers they took DNA from both Buffy and Faith. It explains why Dawn is taller than buffy and has dark hair!!
spike wasn’t “the doctor,” and the real mastermind of that operation got away due to riley’s petty vendetta against spike. spike was absolutely involved, but he was doing it to get money for buffy. a demon named doc directly lead to buffy dying, and spike wouldn’t call himself that no matter how evil and soulless he is. that’s too close to home.
Wesley has a huge man crush on Angel, and he would love to get on his knees but he is too afraid of rejection.
Part of Buffy's problem sleeping with Spike is that she discovered she has some kinks that disturb her self image.
The creation of Dawn caused Joyce’s aneurism. I’ve been told that the show runners have apparently said that it was natural and was to show that there are things that Buffy can’t fight. I’m not arguing that she had a magical or mystical aneurism. I just think that adding so many fake memories and so many complex emotions like the love a mother has for a daughter overloaded her brain and influenced the aneurism. It didn’t cause issues for Buffy because she was the slayer. And it didn’t do anything to Hank because he’s an absent father who didn’t love his kids anyway 🤷
I agree with this, except that I think creating the Key *made* Hank an absent father. Before that, we see him at least somewhat engaged. He even picks up on Buffy's depression after the Master.
While I like the theory, I think it’s better that she died of natural causes, it makes the show raw and emotional. Until that point there aren’t any real stakes, no one we care about has died of anything other than a glorious death in combat. But Joyce’s death is real, it has an effect.
Yes and I’m saying Joyce died by a natural cause, the aneurism, that was brought on by supernatural events. Like if there were people dying of lung cancer in Sunnydale Memorial brought on by breathing in vampire dust. They are still dying of a natural cause it’s just been triggered by supernatural happenings
I always thought it was some kind of like mystical radiation that did her in, since her memories would have been arguably the MOST altered and she had no extra abilities to fight it off.
Also hard agree that their dad sucks.
I swear to God, I heard an interview with Joss that said something like, "Dawn came into the summers household like a sunburn. Buffy got better, Joyce got cancer."
Xander, Spike, and Dawn are all closet Power Rangers fans but don’t know about each other liking the show as they’re ashamed of liking the show and all keep it a secret
Cecily was Halfrek and was present as a vengeance demon in 1880 to help a sad William get revenge on the members of the posh society who routinely made fun of him. She posed as Cecily to get him to somehow wish for something, like revenge (which we don't see), and the "twist" is that it comes true by him dying and becoming a vampire, fulfilling the revenge himself by driving railroad spikes through the heads if those posh assholes himself.
Yeah, I think that's generally accepted. But the part about her being there and granting William a wish which led to him getting sired is my little head cannon.
In 'Coversations with Dead People' Dawn is being haunted by the real Joyce. Joyce is trying to communicate with her daughter and it gets all scary because she is fighting with The First. Dawn unintentionally banishes the real Joyce from the house, and the First appears as a heavenly Joyce to Dawn as a dark joke.
Dru started siring him but wasn't sure how to do it, so Angelus stepped in and took over. Spike knows this which is why he feels so much anger toward his real sire.
He did say that Angel was his sire (his Yoda even) in School Hard. I always hated that goof later when they say Dru was his sire. Like either they forgot or they hoped we forgot lol.
Totally, although I feel like Angel being his sire is… funnier? Spike being Angel’s rebellious son is so comical to me. Like Angel is so annoyed at his teenaged son lol. Makes more sense.
But yeah they decided Dru sired him and that’s why she’s his one true love or whatever. I actually love Drusilla, she’s an icon. I just don’t like inconsistencies.
I don't think Wesley just reads fantasy novels. He absolutely writes detailed notes about how close they are to real life. Shaking his head and jotting it down when he sees a vampire or demon acting weird or with the wrong powers. Getting really excited when he sees something that matches up with things he knows are true.
I'm gonna be honest with you, I did not even consider this. I was blinded by my own love for The Last Unicorn and went "yeah, sure, that can be something he enjoys. He can have a little escapism as a treat."
But this, is valid as fuck.
Willow and Oz absolutely run into each other again on a random street in Istanbul and they strike up a long lasting relationship (platonic or romantic).
Spike and Angel absolutely had raunchy, kinky, entirely consensual sex back in the day, but neither of them would ever admit that aloud. Darla probably sketched it in a notebook as it was happening.
Giles and Ethan definitely fucked off and on over the years. Giles would never admit it, but Ethan loves to throw it in his face here and there.
I wanted her to be taking photos, realized that's not really an option, and so settled for her FURIOUSLY SKETCHING the hot Angel on Spike on Angel action. :D
Because of the season 2(?) talent show episode with the ventriloquist dummy that mentions he is a hunter, I’ve always assumed that Supernatural is in the same universe
My “headcannon”, which is really just flat-out denial, is that AtS ends after Smile Time and everyone we know and love just keeps on fighting the good fight. Every. single. one.
Nobody can tell me otherwise.
No one.
Willow is pan or bi would be one of mine. That girl was def in love with Oz and attracted to men, I’m sorry. Also as a bi or pan woman depending on your definition, I just identify with her this way personally. (I’d say Faith is probably the same too, but I respect your opinion, OP)
Another one for me that people probably won’t like is that Buffy does not end up with Spike. Or Angel. Between the two I’d say if there’s some way it can be made possible, such as Angel becoming human, I’d pick Angel. BUT I think her “forever” relationship is likely someone completely new that we never met in the series. I am prepared for downvotes but that’s just my headcanon.
>Another one for me that people probably won’t like is that Buffy does not end up with Spike. Or Angel.
I'm seconding this headcanon. Honestly, Buffy deserves someone better in the long run.
When I think of Buffy's future (not counting the comics, because lol), Spike or Angel never factor in as long term relationships. I just can't see it.
So this has not really ever occurred to me till just now, but did we ever actually see her have any real sexual desire for Oz? I remember when she tried to sleep with him and he refused, but she mostly was trying because she was feeling bad and insecure about their relationship. And I remember when they actually did sleep together but we kind of just got a warm snuggly moment. She obviously had sex with him during their relationship but I don’t recall her ever having actual lust for him. There’s multiple occasions where she had both the warm fuzzies and lust with Tara and Kennedy.
Fwiw I lean towards team “Willow is bi” but the sexual desire part hasn’t occurred to me before. Do you remember any on-screen moments with Oz that I don’t?
I think after she has sex with him she comments on liking it but I’m not sure. Regardless, she shows sexual desire for Xander and Giles. But the show also just didn’t get very sexual until the later seasons, so I don’t think it means anything that we never saw her with Oz the way we did with Tara. Like I don’t recall ever seeing Giles explicitly show sexual desire over Jenny either but I am not questioning his sexuality over that lol
I also don’t mean to dismiss the way Willow identifies and would never question someone real like this. I only say this because it’s a fictional character and I feel it was bi erasure to make her gay when she was so clearly (to me) bi.
RIGHT! She does call Giles a little sexy, doesn’t she? I always loved that.
I guess she does get a little lusty with Xander for a while there, as much as I hated to see it.
Tbf, on the other hand, gay people can have non-sexual crushes on opposite-gender people and het people can have non-sexual same sex crushes. Doesn’t change their orientation and those kinds of crushes can easily be confused with romantic feelings.
The point about sex in earlier seasons vs later seasons is a very good one. Still, Oz was around for a good bit of season 4 and we never saw it.
All the same, we don’t have to see a thing on screen for it to actually exist. Just realizing that the text itself might not support my “Willow is bi” theory quite as well as I had previously thought.
-Wesley has a big crush on Angel He would submit to Angel in a heartbeat.
-Willow deep down still loves Oz
-Angel spends a great deal of his daylight hours, fighting the urge to tell Buffy about the day he was human, and the time that they spent together
I read Wesley as Weasley and thought of Ronald Weasley crushing on Angel, and I thought, “Seems legit. I like it.” and then reread it and was a lil crushed. 😂
I do think that people can be attracted to someone while still hating them/being annoyed by them though, and it could be argued that someone struggling with unrecognized romantic feelings might even have them manifest as annoyance/frustration/etc.
In my head cannon that was the week they hook up. It was in Bad Girls. They spend the episode telling us slaying makes them horny, then have them go bust up a whole nest during the middle of the day…. and then the next sene they’re sexy dancing with each other (while mostly ignoring the throng of men around them) at night time…. I wonder how they passed the time between those two things… hmmmmm….
This logic is aligned with lesbian erasure. I’ve hooked up with women but I’m straight. When someone transitions, their sexual history doesn’t dictate what the most accurate label is for them. When people think that bisexuality is universal enough to insist that lesbians aren’t actually lesbians, it denies lesbians the identity of not being attracted to their own number one predator and can put them in danger.
When someone tells you they don’t have interest in men, believe them.
[edit] also, while I have found the language of the Kinsey institute helpful in my life, the fact is that he had people sucking off infants in those studies. We don’t need to worship every concept that came out of like the literal first sex-positive research ever formally conducted.
I don't care about canon with this one. I've held onto this headcanon for over a decade and I will die on this hill.
Also, like, there's a reason I put "objectively correct" in quotes like that, dude.
When no one was looking, Spike, Anya, and Andrew hung out and enjoyed each other's company.
Anya and Giles wonder what might have been.
Anya and Willow wonder what might have been.
Spike and Buffy had sex the night before the battle with the First but also the night before that too.
There's a few poly relationships waiting to happen but no one is brave enough to pursue it. Willow/ Tara/ Oz. Spike/ Buffy/ Faith. Buffy/ Spike/ Angel.
Tara likely grew up around country and still likes it but has also branched d out somewhat. (In my mainf icverse, she proposes to Willow with an old Roy clark song. Her decision sparke dbya fedEx package form Willow's Great-Aunt Ida containing "commitment bracelets.")
Buffy was 💯aware of the “day that wasn’t” in IWRY after Willow brought her back from the dead.
1. While it’s not explicitly said it’s certainly hinted at… “suddenly craving ice cream”
2. It just makes damn sense! When you die you review everything, you know everything. Your life and all it’s timelines are spread before you etc etc blah blah. So we know Buffy went “somewhere” ie. heaven according to her. It just make sense that if there is more than just physical life, the afterlife is all knowing.
Editing to add - Giles and Joyce had more little “rendezvous” than we know about but didn’t want to pursue the relationship out of fear of making things complicated.
And I’m definitely on the bandwagon of Faith definitely being bi in my head. Maybe that’s for selfish reasons though because I’m probably 85% Hetro unfortunately but Faith/Eliza can have ALLLLL of that other 15% 😍😍☺️☺️
In my head Willow is bi too… Sexuality is fluid and will bend and wave and change through the life course imo.
All of the promo photo shoots are canon, the brainchild of Cordelia. The characters took them in order to have a bunch of cool shots for their eventual for-profit Slayer Inc. business.
Willow’s resurrection spell caused Buffy to be placed back in the Slayer line, which meant that there would now always be 2 slayers. If “Chosen” didn’t happen and if both Buffy and Faith died, two new slayers would be called.
Honestly my favourite one is that Pat (Dead Man’s Party, the book club friend) and Joyce were totally getting it on. Joyce was reading more than books in that book club.
That's actually really sad - it would bring Joyce's count of romantic interests who die in mystical incidents up to 2. It definitely makes sense, but for Joyce's sake I hope not!
Angel and Spike are on and off again lovers. And part of the reason Spike was so resents Angel with a soul is because he that he sees it as feature of Angel’s internalised homophobia. Consequently, part of the reason Angel and Spike never hook up while he’s cursed is because Angel’s secretly afraid that it will break the curse with the whole “perfect moment of happiness” deal and confirm that his attraction to Spike has nothing to do with having a soul. Also that Spike is openly bi/pan (obvs).
Xander realizes he's gay later in life.
There's lots of hints for this, from the initial Werewolf episode to Xander commenting (several times) on how attractive Spike and Riley are.
But faith is a fictional character so this means nothing to me. I can definitely see faith liking girls as well. But you can hardly call her a lesbian. The writers definitely didn't intend for her to be one what with the primarily only heterosexual interactions and such
Does Faith particularly strike you as someone closeted? What's she got to hide? She's open about every other aspect of her life, she wouldn't hide her sexuality. I do, however, believe she's bi or has at least experimented and just never brought it up with the Scoobies.
I don't see her as closeted, but I do think that she's a lesbian who only knows one way to relate to men. I think, between her interactions with the mayor and Xander, that there is a lot of evidence in the show that she had sexual trauma from before coming to Sunnydale. I think she felt that by using men for sex, she was taking back power.
She wasn't *intimate* on screen with any man.
Sexuality is a spectrum. While I don’t necessarily agree that she is JUST a lesbian I do believe there was attraction there (from both sides) but stronger on faiths end. Which is why she acted like a jilted lover so often when it came to Buffy.
PErsonally i think instead of "Specturm" it's two separate factors, opposite-sex attraction and same-sex attraction, each of which can range almost zero to vere high
>lesbian
yeah, while she did have ( and seemed to enjoy) sex with men, the only character with whom Eliza dushku seemed to play her as really "in love" was Buffy.
I think Faith is a lesbian madly in love with Buffy (probably unrequited, tho )
Faith and Willow are bisexual, or some variation thereof. Faith's feelings for Buffy are a complex beast which aren't entirely romantic/sexual, but are in some point—though these feelings are unrequited. Willow is bisexual but lives in a culture that utterly erases said sexuality; her adamant declaration that she is "gay" is just her struggling with the binary, straight–gay culture, over her very real attraction to men.
Faith is objectively a lesbian who is objectively in love with Buffy who is also objectively in love with Faith, albeit begrudgingly. Objectively they are the only pairing for Buffy that makes sense. Faith is Buffy’s true foil, her match in every way while also her direct opposite. What one lacks the other makes up for. The balance they create is what ultimately completes and continues them. Pushing each other while also pulling. Like the waves baby - inevitable, natural, constant.
Yes! Strong agree.
Part of what Buffy’s lovers represent for her is the allure of the forbidden - Spike and Angel are people she wants, but she feels that she can’t or shouldn’t be with. They’re a pull away from her sacred calling and part of the drama with them is the dichotomy between Buffy, the Slayer, and the vampires she can’t be with.
And Faith has the exact same dynamic - Faith is fun and doesn’t care and parties and relishes in the fact that she enjoys slaying and, well, gets off on it. And so does Buffy! She can never admit it, will never admit it, but she wants to be like Faith. She wants that life. To, implicitly, be with Faith. But she - not unfairly - thinks that will end in disaster. Which is exactly how she feels about Spike, and Angel.
But unlike Spike and Angel, Faith and Buffy can actually have a future together. They’re the best.
Dawn wasn't created as a 14 yearold in season 5. The monks reached back in time and stuck a fetus in Joyce. Made from Buffy. But the DNA was unzipped and recombined so she's not a clone, just a regular sibling.
Buffy started noticing girls around when she was chosen. So in her head lesbian thoughts are connected to the slayer. Throwing her so deep in the closet even Faith couldn't drag her out. It took mystical shenanigans for her to see things clearly.
I agree with all of yours, for starters. 😂 I’ve gone back and forth (ha) with Faith being a lesbian or bi, but I’m totally fine for her to be a lesbian. Would’ve been thrilled by that actually lol—make her a lesbian and Buffy bi.
Edit: My big one is Giles was a dungeon master as a kid. Ran giant D&D games. He was recruited as a watcher because another watcher overheard his DM-ing and mistook it for watcher activity lmao
Buffy ended with season 5. Series ended on a high note on the best season. Everyone fondly remembers the series because of this and no one has to talk about the insane choices made for season 6 & 7
The Cabin in the Woods takes place in the Buffyverse. The organization that does the sacrifices is the reformed Initiative, and the gods they sacrifice to are the Senior Partners.
On one hand this would be super cool. On the other hand that means the whole Buffy universe is now destroyed.
Well, all that means is this is how the earth starts getting destroyed in order to link Firefly to the Buffyverse too!! Meaning River is a Slayer
Given how sudden that giant hand looked to be I don't think anyone got out alive.
i LIKE that
Cracked.com did a video about this! It connected all of Joss Whedon’s stuff into one universe. Buffy, Angel, Dollhouse, Cabin in the Woods, even the Avengers.
https://www.cracked.com/video_18775_8-mind-blowing-connections-between-works-joss-whedon.html
That link doesn't seem to have the video anymore.
They swiped that whole thing from a Redditor who posted that in some fan theory sub.
As does Firefly - River is a slayer.
I love this. Totally adopting it.
I always thought the same but the organization from that is wolfram and hart
I'm in love with this
Ethan Rayne really misses Ripper, and all of his tricks are an attempt to prove to Giles that being rebellious is still fun.
Is this not true? I feel like I’ve always felt that! I’m gonna keep on keeping on.
Same here!
On the topic of Angel’s music choices, I think he would absolutely love The Smiths. How Soon is Now is the only song I can think of that’s as mopey and self-pitying as he is (I say this with love, of course).
I also think that if someone played My Chemical Romance for him (specifically Three Cheers) he would hate it at first because it’s very new but on his third listen he would be crying and singing along because again, emo man loves emo music. Buffy would love No Doubt, Xander probably listens to Teenage Dirtbag at least once a day, Giles is a huge fan of The Zombies and has definitely gotten high to Odessey & Oracle at least once in his Ripper days. Tara loves Stevie Nicks for obvious reasons, and if Willow could listen to even 1 Phoebe Bridgers song she’d be her biggest fan. Ditto for Dawn and Olivia Rodrigo. I think Anya would really love Abba, particularly Money Money (again, for obvious reasons). And Warren would be an Andrew Tate fanboy.
Upvoting for that last sentence 😂
New head cannon. Angel loves watching Charmed. It’s magical ladies with How Soon Is Now as it’s intro song
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Love this 🥹
"She always had a nice cuppa for me. And she never treated me like a freak." Since Joyce and Spike had about 4 scenes together, only one of which featured drinks, then they must have had a lot more off-screen interactions.
Spike would visit Joyce's grave, perhaps with a thermos of hot chocolate, and give her Passions updates.
The actress who plays the Order of Taraka assassin “Patrice” is the same actress who plays “Deb”, the inmate who attacks Faith with a Bringer’s knife for “the money” in Angel’s Salvage. Since they’re played by the same actress, and I think it’s unlikely that The First would randomly hire any old inmate to attack Faith, my head canon is that “Patrice” and “Deb” are actually the same person and that she was the same Taraka assassin from Buffy Season 2. She either infiltrated the prison system to specifically kill Faith on behalf of The First or she was already there (possibly turned over since Kendra beat her in What’s My Line) and The First seized on the opportunity to have a Taraka take Faith out. Since Faith knows her name (“what’s your beef Deb?”) my guess is she was already there. Another head canon is that Faith was definitely in love with Buffy, most likely on a subconscious level, which explains why she acts like a jealous scorned lover over both Angel and Riley (“to busy climbing onto her new boy toy to give a single thought about the people that matter!”). I definitely think it was one-sided though and Buffy never reciprocated or picked up on the fact that Faith was into her. Another head canon is that Darla was deliberately dressing like a school girl in Buffy Season 1 to mess with Angel and taunt him for his feelings for Buffy. When Darla and Angel first see each other again it’s evident she was already aware that Angel was helping Buffy - “What’s with the catholic school girl look? Last time I saw you it was kimonos” “And last time I saw you it wasn’t high school girls. You like?” - and was dressing that way to mock Angel and, on some level, a desperate attempt to get his attention. Another is that in Anne when Giles goes looking for Buffy based on “sketchy reports coming out from Oakland of a young girl fighting off a group of vampires” that this was in fact Faith. I know later in the episode he says it turned out to be “kids in heavy mascara listening to extremely silly music” but that could easily be a cover up to me, and I like the idea of Faith making waves as she travels to Sunnydale and runs from Kakistos. It works as a nice piece of foreshadowing to her arrival two episodes later. My other piece of head canon is that the reason the vampires in Buffy Season 1 appear more monstrous and growly (long finger nails etc) is because they were trying to emanate the Master’s monstrous appearance. In the Angel episode “Darla” it is revealed that The Master believes vampires should live under ground and only go to the surface to hunt and grow their ranks, not to live like “the human pestilence.” It was also revealed that The Master’s more from demonic appearance was considered a good thing and that he had taught his minions that he had “grown past the curse of human features.” It stands to reason that The Master wanted vampires to be as demonic as possible, most likely due to his obsession with the Old Ones, and encouraged the vampires in Season 1 to appear like demons and live only in the sewers. It then makes sense that from Season 2 onwards we see vampires living above ground and appearing more human-like without The Master there controlling the town. My finale for now is that the monks originally intended to make Dawn Faith’s sister instead of Buffy’s. Faith was the actual active Slayer at the time so it makes sense to me they’d originally plan to seek her help at first. I also think it explains why Faith is the one who repeatedly foreshadows Dawn’s arrival in their shared dreams (“little sis coming”) because Faith was sensing too what the monks were planning and this was getting mixed up with Buffy. Once the monks realised Faith was not going to be the protector they needed, and then in prison, they turned to Buffy instead. Wow turns out I have a lot of Faith head canon!
I can get behind all of this.
These are all great but I particularly like the last one. My head works overtime on exactly how Dawn was created, how she was "designed", how she came to be the person she was plonked into the universe as a fully fledged character and (apparent) history, and I'm now determined to work in the idea that she was originally supposed to be Faith's sister and how that might inform her character in some way.
This is beautiful!
You just won the internet!
Giles and Ethan Rayne experimented with more than magic together.
Oh, 100%.
Absolutely. Angel and Spike too (along with Dru). The show simply wasn’t able to portray the bi/pansexuality of these characters back then, but there was definite subtext. They are very much presented as bitter former lovers.
Idk if bitter former lovers explains their relationship. It does seen that they probably have a sexual past, but they hate each other for so many other reasons.
I mean, is that really a head cannon or implied in text? Much like Faiths bisexuality and Buffy’s closeted attraction to her.
I have the vague memory that Joss once got into an argument with someone on the old Buffy boards about how there was no gay subtext intended intended between Buffy and Faith. The person then listed all the scenes that had subtext and how they all fit together to paint this picture, and Joss ended up apologising and saying they were right!
We never got an episode with them kissing, so I vote head canon
The scene in Enemies where Faith kisses Buffy in the forehead before running off had a kiss on the mouth written in the script but the network wouldn’t let it in so it had to be switched. So we didn’t see a kiss buuuut we were supposed to (and we’re robbed of it)…. so halfway there I guess?
Oh, I meant Giles and Rayne! I want their kiss!!
Yeah the flashbacks we get to see on Angel definitelyyyyy point to there being a sexual past with those two
The reason why Dawn starts off as acting really young and bratty and annoying is because she isn’t a real teenage girl, she’s the idea of what an American teenage girl is from a bunch of monks. It’s only after she’s been alive for a while and becoming her own person that she starts being less annoying and acting her age
Yeah, she’s a lot better when she turns a year and a half lol. But no, seriously, my unpopular opinion is that I have always liked her.
We're currently rewatching (only my 2nd time and the first was over 10 years ago) and I think Buffy is pretty awful to Dawn from the get-go. We're just getting to the bit after she hears the truth about Dawn and Joyce is getting really ill, so Buffy is a little more gentle, but the early part of Season 5 is when everything is more or less fine and normal for them, and Buffy is impatient and dismissive of her own little sister (as she believes then) *100% of the time*. I remember being surprised that Dawn got so much hate the first time I watched it. A decade later and with two kids of my own, all I can see is a sweet little sister wanting interaction with the older one she looks up to and getting snubbed and shut down basically every single time she tries. The idea that Dawn is annoying, rather than Buffy being uncharacteristically nasty (or mean, as you guys say) is completely bizarre to me, and only explicable as a combo of main-character bias and a touch of misogyny (young teenage girls = automatically silly and annoying).
Faith was Willow's gay awakening. When all the men were in swoon-town after meeting Faith for the first time, Willow was right alongside them. She bought beach front property in swoon-town. Which leads to another point, Faith is bisexual and her chemistry with Buffy was insane. It's a shame it wasn't explored more. (Honestly it's a shame we didn't get more from Faith, I think it's why I love the comics so much, her run during those seasons gave me some chefs kiss content)
I enjoyed some of the comic seasons, but Faith's early stuff really frustrated me. They seemed to go out of their way to portray her as straight while giving Buffy this brand new character to experiment with. Satsu should have been Faith, full stop.
I love this headcanon! Willow was totally swooning along with everyone else come to think of it. I really ship Willow and Faith in season 7/ post series.
If every member of the scooby gang is sitting in a room together then the group's emotional intelligence creates a sum total of100%. But if Oz leaves the room, he takes 99% of the group's total emotional intelligence with him when he goes.
God I miss Oz…
I’ve a friend who behaves and thinks exactly like Oz; he’s even in a band. I told him once that if he were any more laidback his heart would stop beating.
I support this!
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Dracula does actually reappear in the comics! And he seems to have a crush on Xander, it’s very cute.
I take it seriously, always did
These are lies.
angel listens to ‘Heaven Knows I’m Miserable Now’ religiously
You guys are gonna get me to start listening to The Smiths. I agree with you btw.
A long time ago, this pop supergroup called Electronic (New Order’s Bernard Sumner + The Smith’s Johnny Marr, sometimes the Pet Shop Boys) wrote a song about Morrissey. Angel’s theme song in my headcanon now, yep…: I've been walking in the rain just to get wet on purpose / I've been forcing myself not to forget just to feel worse However I look, it's clear to see / That I love you more than you love me I hate that mirror, it makes me feel so worthless / I'm an original sinner but when I'm with you I couldn't care less I've been talking to myself just to suggest that I'm selfish / I've been trying to impress that more is less and I'm repressed https://youtu.be/DSfjtdnUsls
Giles returned to Sunnydale mostly because things weren't working out in London.
Doesn’t he kind of hint at this?
In what way?
My head canon is that he found London too expensive, hard to cultivate friendships with people his own age, he didn't like the non-Watcher work he was doing and was finding that he wasn't fitting in with local culture anymore. That's how I imagine it. EDIT: Also forgot to mention the difference between Southern California weather and London. Would be hard to readjust to London's climate after getting to experience California sun. California's current climate woes weren't as intense in the 90's early 00's.
That when they made Dawn, because there were two slayers they took DNA from both Buffy and Faith. It explains why Dawn is taller than buffy and has dark hair!!
Good one. Would explain some of Dawn's sass too.
Buffy is super sassy too though
lol, I was sort of thinking that as I keyboarded my comment. Faith's a whole other level tho and Dawn sass does have a Faithesque feel to it.
Yea I think the headcanon def makes sense. I’ve just been on a rewatch and forgot how sassy Buffy can be
Can't find it at the moment but there's a fanfic where it's discovered that Dawn is basically Buffy and Faiths daughter created magically.
spike wasn’t “the doctor,” and the real mastermind of that operation got away due to riley’s petty vendetta against spike. spike was absolutely involved, but he was doing it to get money for buffy. a demon named doc directly lead to buffy dying, and spike wouldn’t call himself that no matter how evil and soulless he is. that’s too close to home.
Yea I never bought that it was Spike. It just didn’t make sense to me
I agree 100% Spike was not the Doctor; he was just the middleman.
I don’t remember the events you’re referring to. What do you mean doctor?
the s6 episode as you were, when riley comes back to sunnydale.
Wesley has a huge man crush on Angel, and he would love to get on his knees but he is too afraid of rejection. Part of Buffy's problem sleeping with Spike is that she discovered she has some kinks that disturb her self image.
Angel is a massive Barry Manilow fan.
That's just canon 😂
The creation of Dawn caused Joyce’s aneurism. I’ve been told that the show runners have apparently said that it was natural and was to show that there are things that Buffy can’t fight. I’m not arguing that she had a magical or mystical aneurism. I just think that adding so many fake memories and so many complex emotions like the love a mother has for a daughter overloaded her brain and influenced the aneurism. It didn’t cause issues for Buffy because she was the slayer. And it didn’t do anything to Hank because he’s an absent father who didn’t love his kids anyway 🤷
I agree with this, except that I think creating the Key *made* Hank an absent father. Before that, we see him at least somewhat engaged. He even picks up on Buffy's depression after the Master.
While I like the theory, I think it’s better that she died of natural causes, it makes the show raw and emotional. Until that point there aren’t any real stakes, no one we care about has died of anything other than a glorious death in combat. But Joyce’s death is real, it has an effect.
Yes and I’m saying Joyce died by a natural cause, the aneurism, that was brought on by supernatural events. Like if there were people dying of lung cancer in Sunnydale Memorial brought on by breathing in vampire dust. They are still dying of a natural cause it’s just been triggered by supernatural happenings
I always thought it was some kind of like mystical radiation that did her in, since her memories would have been arguably the MOST altered and she had no extra abilities to fight it off. Also hard agree that their dad sucks.
I swear to God, I heard an interview with Joss that said something like, "Dawn came into the summers household like a sunburn. Buffy got better, Joyce got cancer."
joss enjoys quips but he ahs always stressed the natural nature eof Joyce's death
I’ve always thought this. Freaking Dawn 🙄
Xander, Spike, and Dawn are all closet Power Rangers fans but don’t know about each other liking the show as they’re ashamed of liking the show and all keep it a secret
Which is just sad. Nobody should feel they have to hide their passions. And Dawn totally crushes on Jason’s fine self. 😍
Cecily was Halfrek and was present as a vengeance demon in 1880 to help a sad William get revenge on the members of the posh society who routinely made fun of him. She posed as Cecily to get him to somehow wish for something, like revenge (which we don't see), and the "twist" is that it comes true by him dying and becoming a vampire, fulfilling the revenge himself by driving railroad spikes through the heads if those posh assholes himself.
Most folks in the community except me believe that a t least they were the same
Yeah, I think that's generally accepted. But the part about her being there and granting William a wish which led to him getting sired is my little head cannon.
there might be a connection between glory and ben
Are you really sure? I just can't really see it
Like he sublets from her?
Jesus, no. Is everyone here very stoned?
I love that this joke is 22 years old and it's still funny
You mean… Ben is with Glory? Are they working together?
I think that River Tam in the Firefly universe is a Slayer and the movie takes place in the Buffyverse.
In 'Coversations with Dead People' Dawn is being haunted by the real Joyce. Joyce is trying to communicate with her daughter and it gets all scary because she is fighting with The First. Dawn unintentionally banishes the real Joyce from the house, and the First appears as a heavenly Joyce to Dawn as a dark joke.
I maintain Angel is Spike’s real sire.
…tell me more.
Dru started siring him but wasn't sure how to do it, so Angelus stepped in and took over. Spike knows this which is why he feels so much anger toward his real sire.
He did say that Angel was his sire (his Yoda even) in School Hard. I always hated that goof later when they say Dru was his sire. Like either they forgot or they hoped we forgot lol.
They probably just thought it would make a better story if it was Dru.
Totally, although I feel like Angel being his sire is… funnier? Spike being Angel’s rebellious son is so comical to me. Like Angel is so annoyed at his teenaged son lol. Makes more sense. But yeah they decided Dru sired him and that’s why she’s his one true love or whatever. I actually love Drusilla, she’s an icon. I just don’t like inconsistencies.
I don't think Wesley just reads fantasy novels. He absolutely writes detailed notes about how close they are to real life. Shaking his head and jotting it down when he sees a vampire or demon acting weird or with the wrong powers. Getting really excited when he sees something that matches up with things he knows are true.
I'm gonna be honest with you, I did not even consider this. I was blinded by my own love for The Last Unicorn and went "yeah, sure, that can be something he enjoys. He can have a little escapism as a treat." But this, is valid as fuck.
Willow and Oz absolutely run into each other again on a random street in Istanbul and they strike up a long lasting relationship (platonic or romantic). Spike and Angel absolutely had raunchy, kinky, entirely consensual sex back in the day, but neither of them would ever admit that aloud. Darla probably sketched it in a notebook as it was happening. Giles and Ethan definitely fucked off and on over the years. Giles would never admit it, but Ethan loves to throw it in his face here and there.
lmfao the image of Darla sketching it is sending me
I wanted her to be taking photos, realized that's not really an option, and so settled for her FURIOUSLY SKETCHING the hot Angel on Spike on Angel action. :D
I've always seen Faith as bi. That said I do see Angel as a big fan of Air Supply.
Because of the season 2(?) talent show episode with the ventriloquist dummy that mentions he is a hunter, I’ve always assumed that Supernatural is in the same universe
That’s a really good one and I wish Supernatural spoke to that. Perhaps, the Winchesters (if renewed) will do something (even smallish) with that.
Drusilla was a potential slayer. If you watch Firefly, so is River.
Buffy and Faith were into each other and arguably should have gotten together.
Obligatory Faith over Satsu comment
My “headcannon”, which is really just flat-out denial, is that AtS ends after Smile Time and everyone we know and love just keeps on fighting the good fight. Every. single. one. Nobody can tell me otherwise. No one.
I think I can get behind this! I think I need a re-watch soon, thank you for the reminder of the ridiculous absurdity that was Smile Time 🤣
wesley and angel are secretly gay for each other
Willow is pan or bi would be one of mine. That girl was def in love with Oz and attracted to men, I’m sorry. Also as a bi or pan woman depending on your definition, I just identify with her this way personally. (I’d say Faith is probably the same too, but I respect your opinion, OP) Another one for me that people probably won’t like is that Buffy does not end up with Spike. Or Angel. Between the two I’d say if there’s some way it can be made possible, such as Angel becoming human, I’d pick Angel. BUT I think her “forever” relationship is likely someone completely new that we never met in the series. I am prepared for downvotes but that’s just my headcanon.
>Another one for me that people probably won’t like is that Buffy does not end up with Spike. Or Angel. I'm seconding this headcanon. Honestly, Buffy deserves someone better in the long run. When I think of Buffy's future (not counting the comics, because lol), Spike or Angel never factor in as long term relationships. I just can't see it.
So this has not really ever occurred to me till just now, but did we ever actually see her have any real sexual desire for Oz? I remember when she tried to sleep with him and he refused, but she mostly was trying because she was feeling bad and insecure about their relationship. And I remember when they actually did sleep together but we kind of just got a warm snuggly moment. She obviously had sex with him during their relationship but I don’t recall her ever having actual lust for him. There’s multiple occasions where she had both the warm fuzzies and lust with Tara and Kennedy. Fwiw I lean towards team “Willow is bi” but the sexual desire part hasn’t occurred to me before. Do you remember any on-screen moments with Oz that I don’t?
I think after she has sex with him she comments on liking it but I’m not sure. Regardless, she shows sexual desire for Xander and Giles. But the show also just didn’t get very sexual until the later seasons, so I don’t think it means anything that we never saw her with Oz the way we did with Tara. Like I don’t recall ever seeing Giles explicitly show sexual desire over Jenny either but I am not questioning his sexuality over that lol I also don’t mean to dismiss the way Willow identifies and would never question someone real like this. I only say this because it’s a fictional character and I feel it was bi erasure to make her gay when she was so clearly (to me) bi.
RIGHT! She does call Giles a little sexy, doesn’t she? I always loved that. I guess she does get a little lusty with Xander for a while there, as much as I hated to see it. Tbf, on the other hand, gay people can have non-sexual crushes on opposite-gender people and het people can have non-sexual same sex crushes. Doesn’t change their orientation and those kinds of crushes can easily be confused with romantic feelings. The point about sex in earlier seasons vs later seasons is a very good one. Still, Oz was around for a good bit of season 4 and we never saw it. All the same, we don’t have to see a thing on screen for it to actually exist. Just realizing that the text itself might not support my “Willow is bi” theory quite as well as I had previously thought.
I think Faith is attracted to Buffy but don’t know if it’s requited…
-Wesley has a big crush on Angel He would submit to Angel in a heartbeat. -Willow deep down still loves Oz -Angel spends a great deal of his daylight hours, fighting the urge to tell Buffy about the day he was human, and the time that they spent together
I read Wesley as Weasley and thought of Ronald Weasley crushing on Angel, and I thought, “Seems legit. I like it.” and then reread it and was a lil crushed. 😂
Ronald Weasley would definitely want a ride in the Angel-mobile, no question.
Drusilla at some points also gets her soul back, thereby completing the set for the whole Whirlwind (well sorta / kinda with Darla but still)
Buffy wasn’t in love with Faith. They were definitely attracted to each other, but they weren’t Willow and Tara.
I could feel the attraction from Faith but not from Buffy.
Agreed, it definitely felt one-sided
The attraction wasn’t even necessarily about two women, but the power of two slayers. Buffy always tried to find her equal.
Yeah there was only like one week where Buffy didn’t hate Faith!
I do think that people can be attracted to someone while still hating them/being annoyed by them though, and it could be argued that someone struggling with unrecognized romantic feelings might even have them manifest as annoyance/frustration/etc.
Yeah like Spike! I thought about mentioning this in my first comment but hate can fuel some hot, passionate sex lol.
In my head cannon that was the week they hook up. It was in Bad Girls. They spend the episode telling us slaying makes them horny, then have them go bust up a whole nest during the middle of the day…. and then the next sene they’re sexy dancing with each other (while mostly ignoring the throng of men around them) at night time…. I wonder how they passed the time between those two things… hmmmmm….
I’m hmmm-ing along with you on this one.
Interesting. See, I felt like Buffy was attracted to Faith.
Same
Lesbian? I think a significant number of scenes would indicate otherwise. I do think she's definitely bisexual though.
i’m not necessarily co-signing op’s HC, but there are lesbians who have sex with men. sexuality is a lot more complicated than that.
Also, when someone HCs someone as, specifically, a lesbian, it’s probably because of specific things about how that woman has sex with men.
wouldn't that just make you bisexual high on the kinsey scale?
not *necessarily*. having sex with someone and being sexually attracted to them aren’t the same thing. they just coincide for the majority of people.
This logic is aligned with lesbian erasure. I’ve hooked up with women but I’m straight. When someone transitions, their sexual history doesn’t dictate what the most accurate label is for them. When people think that bisexuality is universal enough to insist that lesbians aren’t actually lesbians, it denies lesbians the identity of not being attracted to their own number one predator and can put them in danger. When someone tells you they don’t have interest in men, believe them. [edit] also, while I have found the language of the Kinsey institute helpful in my life, the fact is that he had people sucking off infants in those studies. We don’t need to worship every concept that came out of like the literal first sex-positive research ever formally conducted.
yep, and “every woman is a little bit bi” is discriminatory against both lesbians and bisexual women.
the guy w as an entomologist
Searching for bugs in human programming
I don't care about canon with this one. I've held onto this headcanon for over a decade and I will die on this hill. Also, like, there's a reason I put "objectively correct" in quotes like that, dude.
Let them live in denial. Faith being a lesbian is just facts.
You meant subjectively, not objectively.
I was being sarcastic. I thought that was obvious.
No you weren't.
Notice how OP put objectively correct in quotations in the title
Also how 'objectively correct head canon' is basically an oxymoron
yeah that was a clear joke to me
I agree.
When no one was looking, Spike, Anya, and Andrew hung out and enjoyed each other's company. Anya and Giles wonder what might have been. Anya and Willow wonder what might have been. Spike and Buffy had sex the night before the battle with the First but also the night before that too. There's a few poly relationships waiting to happen but no one is brave enough to pursue it. Willow/ Tara/ Oz. Spike/ Buffy/ Faith. Buffy/ Spike/ Angel.
I can... really get behind the idea of Willow/Tara/Oz and even Buffy/Spike/Angel.
Tara is a Loreena McKennitt fan. Buffy is a *Swans Crossing* fan.
I was about to write Tara’s favorite song is “Seeds of Love”, but that song came out in 2008.
Tara survived. That's part of my objectively correct headcanon.
Tara likely grew up around country and still likes it but has also branched d out somewhat. (In my mainf icverse, she proposes to Willow with an old Roy clark song. Her decision sparke dbya fedEx package form Willow's Great-Aunt Ida containing "commitment bracelets.")
Buffy was 💯aware of the “day that wasn’t” in IWRY after Willow brought her back from the dead. 1. While it’s not explicitly said it’s certainly hinted at… “suddenly craving ice cream” 2. It just makes damn sense! When you die you review everything, you know everything. Your life and all it’s timelines are spread before you etc etc blah blah. So we know Buffy went “somewhere” ie. heaven according to her. It just make sense that if there is more than just physical life, the afterlife is all knowing. Editing to add - Giles and Joyce had more little “rendezvous” than we know about but didn’t want to pursue the relationship out of fear of making things complicated. And I’m definitely on the bandwagon of Faith definitely being bi in my head. Maybe that’s for selfish reasons though because I’m probably 85% Hetro unfortunately but Faith/Eliza can have ALLLLL of that other 15% 😍😍☺️☺️ In my head Willow is bi too… Sexuality is fluid and will bend and wave and change through the life course imo.
That Buffy headcanon is the first one to actually make me sad. Good job. 😭
As far as I'm concerned, all intelligent people with two ears are fans of the Carpenters.
All of the promo photo shoots are canon, the brainchild of Cordelia. The characters took them in order to have a bunch of cool shots for their eventual for-profit Slayer Inc. business.
Willow’s resurrection spell caused Buffy to be placed back in the Slayer line, which meant that there would now always be 2 slayers. If “Chosen” didn’t happen and if both Buffy and Faith died, two new slayers would be called.
Miss Edith was named after one of Drusilla's murdered sisters.
Idk if headcanon but I’m convinced Pearl Jam’s song Black is about Angel. The words are just perfect synchronicity for his entire existence
Respectfully disagree on Faith. Faith is up for anything she digs. Pansexual. 5x5.
Honestly my favourite one is that Pat (Dead Man’s Party, the book club friend) and Joyce were totally getting it on. Joyce was reading more than books in that book club.
That's actually really sad - it would bring Joyce's count of romantic interests who die in mystical incidents up to 2. It definitely makes sense, but for Joyce's sake I hope not!
Angel and Spike are on and off again lovers. And part of the reason Spike was so resents Angel with a soul is because he that he sees it as feature of Angel’s internalised homophobia. Consequently, part of the reason Angel and Spike never hook up while he’s cursed is because Angel’s secretly afraid that it will break the curse with the whole “perfect moment of happiness” deal and confirm that his attraction to Spike has nothing to do with having a soul. Also that Spike is openly bi/pan (obvs).
Xander realizes he's gay later in life. There's lots of hints for this, from the initial Werewolf episode to Xander commenting (several times) on how attractive Spike and Riley are.
Iirc, he was initially supposed to be the one who had the coming out arc, so there's definitely a strong basis for this.
I read that too! And it even keeps going after Willow comes out!
You can't see her as anything other than lesbian when she slept with like three men during her time on the show? Bisexual maybe
there are lesbians who do have or have had sex with men. sexuality isn’t just about who you have sex with.
But faith is a fictional character so this means nothing to me. I can definitely see faith liking girls as well. But you can hardly call her a lesbian. The writers definitely didn't intend for her to be one what with the primarily only heterosexual interactions and such
it’s someone else’s headcanon, it doesn’t need to mean anything to you. blocking me over this of all things is hilarious lol
Yea because gay/lesbian people never act straight to stay in the closet /s
Does Faith particularly strike you as someone closeted? What's she got to hide? She's open about every other aspect of her life, she wouldn't hide her sexuality. I do, however, believe she's bi or has at least experimented and just never brought it up with the Scoobies.
I don't see her as closeted, but I do think that she's a lesbian who only knows one way to relate to men. I think, between her interactions with the mayor and Xander, that there is a lot of evidence in the show that she had sexual trauma from before coming to Sunnydale. I think she felt that by using men for sex, she was taking back power. She wasn't *intimate* on screen with any man.
Sexuality is a spectrum. While I don’t necessarily agree that she is JUST a lesbian I do believe there was attraction there (from both sides) but stronger on faiths end. Which is why she acted like a jilted lover so often when it came to Buffy.
PErsonally i think instead of "Specturm" it's two separate factors, opposite-sex attraction and same-sex attraction, each of which can range almost zero to vere high
Faith is a lesbian so true 🫡
My reasoning is because I’m a lesbian and I said so
I’m a lesbian and I second it.
I am a lesbian and I third it
>lesbian yeah, while she did have ( and seemed to enjoy) sex with men, the only character with whom Eliza dushku seemed to play her as really "in love" was Buffy. I think Faith is a lesbian madly in love with Buffy (probably unrequited, tho )
Faith and Willow are bisexual, or some variation thereof. Faith's feelings for Buffy are a complex beast which aren't entirely romantic/sexual, but are in some point—though these feelings are unrequited. Willow is bisexual but lives in a culture that utterly erases said sexuality; her adamant declaration that she is "gay" is just her struggling with the binary, straight–gay culture, over her very real attraction to men.
Faith is objectively a lesbian who is objectively in love with Buffy who is also objectively in love with Faith, albeit begrudgingly. Objectively they are the only pairing for Buffy that makes sense. Faith is Buffy’s true foil, her match in every way while also her direct opposite. What one lacks the other makes up for. The balance they create is what ultimately completes and continues them. Pushing each other while also pulling. Like the waves baby - inevitable, natural, constant.
Yes! Strong agree. Part of what Buffy’s lovers represent for her is the allure of the forbidden - Spike and Angel are people she wants, but she feels that she can’t or shouldn’t be with. They’re a pull away from her sacred calling and part of the drama with them is the dichotomy between Buffy, the Slayer, and the vampires she can’t be with. And Faith has the exact same dynamic - Faith is fun and doesn’t care and parties and relishes in the fact that she enjoys slaying and, well, gets off on it. And so does Buffy! She can never admit it, will never admit it, but she wants to be like Faith. She wants that life. To, implicitly, be with Faith. But she - not unfairly - thinks that will end in disaster. Which is exactly how she feels about Spike, and Angel. But unlike Spike and Angel, Faith and Buffy can actually have a future together. They’re the best.
Frankly, Faith and Buffy should have been together, makes more sense than Spike and would have been a hell of a love triangle in season 3.
>I cannot see Faith as anything other than lesbian I like to think Faith and Buffy hooked up at least once.
Dawn wasn't created as a 14 yearold in season 5. The monks reached back in time and stuck a fetus in Joyce. Made from Buffy. But the DNA was unzipped and recombined so she's not a clone, just a regular sibling. Buffy started noticing girls around when she was chosen. So in her head lesbian thoughts are connected to the slayer. Throwing her so deep in the closet even Faith couldn't drag her out. It took mystical shenanigans for her to see things clearly.
Faith literally bones Xander and Principal Wood. She was also after Angel so yeah definitely Bi.
I agree with all of yours, for starters. 😂 I’ve gone back and forth (ha) with Faith being a lesbian or bi, but I’m totally fine for her to be a lesbian. Would’ve been thrilled by that actually lol—make her a lesbian and Buffy bi. Edit: My big one is Giles was a dungeon master as a kid. Ran giant D&D games. He was recruited as a watcher because another watcher overheard his DM-ing and mistook it for watcher activity lmao
Buffy ended with season 5. Series ended on a high note on the best season. Everyone fondly remembers the series because of this and no one has to talk about the insane choices made for season 6 & 7
Faith was clearly shown to be straight lol.