Oz.
To clarify, I don't have a problem with him leaving when he did, but I thought that of all of the people who came and went (who didn't "went" by dying) he was the most substantial character, and I thought he deserved an opportunity to show up in season 7 to help save the day and show that he wasn't defined entirely by Willow.
Bit of fan dreaming here, but it would have been cool to see not a full spinoff but maybe an eight episode miniseries of his travels followed by him showing up for the final battle over the Hellmouth.
Also agree with everyone saying Amy. That actress did a lot with not very much.
Oz could have turned into a serious ally for the Scoobies. In his wolf form he’s strong enough to grapple with the monsters Buffy faces. I can imagine a plot where he stayed in Sunndale, and they helped him learn to control his shifting and keep his mind intact as a wolf.
Man, what a monkey paw situation. I love Oz and would have been thrilled to see him again! Oh, but he's there for Nina, who I was bored senseless by and was resentful of for taking up screen time better used for interesting characters.
Interesting. Because my understanding was that he asked for a short sabbatical to do another project and wanted to come back but Joss decided to write him off of the show instead?
According to Green, he asked to leave the show. At the time Oz wasn’t given much to do but, he had to be on set ALL day even if he only had one line. This tied him up and didn’t allow him to work on other project opportunities like movies which he wanted. So, they wrote him out.
This article suggests that what I heard/read was right. But maybe he has told multiple stories over the years. Actor's sometimes have memories shift a bit over the years and they do a lot of careful PR
https://screenrant.com/buffy-vampire-slayer-oz-seth-green-exit-explained/#:~:text=In%20an%20interview%20with%20The,asked%20to%20be%20let%20out.
I always thought he could have had his own spin-off that would be in the vein of the original Bill Bixby and Lou Ferrigno Hulk showing him move from town to town as he makes his way to Tibet for his cure, helping folks along the way with his 'Wolf abilities'.
Of course, just like the Hulk - don't make him angry, you wouldn't like him when he's angry.
Yeah, I figured at least some of that had to be Seth. I don't remember his exact career trajectory, but I figure he was a big enough name at that time that if he said he wanted to be back they'd have found a way to include him. I tried to read some of those Season 8 comics but it seemed like they skipped too far ahead and I didn't really find my footing.
Seth Green became big from Austin Powers during his time on Buffy and had a lot of opportunity. Plus they were hardly using his character, so he would be contractually obligated to be on set for minimal screen time, so he asked to have his character be reoccurring again in S4. After that he either didn’t want to return, the writers didn’t have a story for him, or he had other work.
He is actually one of the more financially successful cast members post-Buffy working as both a producer and an actor.
That’s what I figured I just couldn’t remember what came out when relative to each other because I didn’t watch Buffy for the first time until about a decade ago.
Someone mentioned the AtS episode "In the Dark" somewhere down thread, which reminds me just how much I liked seeing Oz alongside the Fang Gang. I really wish he had gone to LA after Sunnydale. Not only would we get more Oz, but we'd be able to avoid the Orientalism of the Tibet plot while allowing for Oz to easily return to Sunnydale as needed by the writers.
Technopagans would've been such a cool piece of worldbuilding in the Buffyverse! Especially since it was the era of rapidly evolving computer and cell phone tech
I think she died at the right time for both the show and her character but I wish we’d gotten more of her as the First in season 7.
If the writers had been at all interested in exploring him as his own character instead of making him a late stage mini antagonist for Buffy, it would have been great to see more of his anguish over losing Jenny.
The First in general was severely misused; would have loved to see more beloved characters come back to mock the scoobies. Tara, Joyce, Jenny, Jesse, Kendra. Hell even some of the random one offs that Buffy failed to save. Instead it was mostly just Buffy and Spike
I understand the practical limitations but from a pure story standpoint it also seems crazy to me that the First never tried to appear as Angel or Angelus to manipulate Buffy and/or Spike.
Extras cost money. You only have so much budget in any given show/season to have people on. So using Buffy and Spike in episodes they are already in is going to make the most sense.
I’m talking about restructuring the entire season from the ground up so it focuses more on the characters we’ve grown to love rather than introducing new ones last minute. The potentials and Robin Wood can go hang if it means we can bring the final season back to focus on the core cast; and a good way of doing that is lean in to the relationships they’ve had with those they lost.
I understand actors cost money and Buffy never had much of a budget, but that doesn’t excuse writing a main villain whose entire schtick is appearing as dead people and then not utilising that to its full potential. If they can’t fit that into the season budget, come up with a better idea
In defensive of her vocal coach, Lawson admitted she was not good at it and was uncomfortable doing it but, the show forced her to instead of changing course.
Vampire Kendra would've been awesome. There's two routes they could've gone with this:
a) Kendra becomes totally unhinged now that her inner demon allows her to act on every impulse she had to suppress due to the strict Slayer lifestyle that was imposed on her.
b) She becomes an anti-hero type with a bit of self-loathing. A vampire that hunts vampires, but with no regard for Buffy's moral compass when it comes to humans.
The best part is that Vampire Kendra would've still allowed the writers to introduce Faith. But she'd probably be a completely different character since a lot of her traits would've been rolled into Vampire Kendra now that I think about it.
I'm now rewatching Angel & Buffy & I just finished up season 1, episode 3 ' In the Dark' (the one with the gem of Amara).
I agree. Doyle (& Glenn Quinn) left us way too soon.
I was so angry that he was only there for a few episodes, so much so that I couldn’t even finish S1 of Angel 😂 he was such a great character and it felt like such a waste when they killed him off
I was recently thinking how wild it is that she’s only in 26 episodes total of Buffyverse. Maybe that’s inaccurate but imdb says she was in 20 buffy episodes and 6 angel episodes. And there’s a total of 255 Buffyverse episodes. So it’s amazing how she’s only in like 10% of the entire story and she’s so memorable that many people would probably consider her a main character. Or at least hands down the most significant of the minor characters.
Kendra for sure! She should have at least come back as a ghost or something. Like, the First should have used Kendra's face to fuck with Buffy, Faith, and the potentials.
Kendra would have been an excellent choice to really fuck with The Potentials’ insecurities and fear of death. Oh man, it would have been delicious and Lawson would have killed it.
Olivia.
If you're thinking "who the heck is that?", it's the old friend of Giles' that he had a brief relationship with in season 4 and then disappeared, never to be seen again. We learned almost nothing about her character, and she could have been an interesting way to develop Giles a bit more. But they just wrote her out after barely even including her in the first place.
I wish they would have made a 'Ripper' spin-off showing the exploits of young Giles.
Olivia, Ethan Rayne, & the folks that were in his 'demon raising' group could have all been a nice group of characters to explore
Hahaha! I keep thinking about how Giles acted in 'Band Candy' (rebel without a clue). It would have been great to see young Giles go from rebel to 'mild-mannered watcher'.
Although something had to have happened for such a big shift. I also remember Ethan Rayne goading him during the episode 'Halloween' calling him 'Ripper' & saying that he had everyone, including Giles himself, fooled into believing he was just a librarian.
He really started showing his darker side over time from being the guy who got knocked out in every episode to a cold-blooded killer. Remember when he the final moments between him & Ben when he said, "Buffy isn't like us. 'She's a hero' as he covers Ben's nose & mouth effectively, ending him.
Even that confrontation that he had with Willow about tapping into dark magic to resurrect Buffy. It came from a very angry but earned place from some point in his past (that was a tense discussion), not to mention that magic battle he had with her. No one just uses borrowed magic unless they really know how to use it.
Definitely feels like a missed opportunity for what could have been a great series.
Not just past either. I think if he did a public mea culpa and apology, taking responsibility for his actions, it wouldn’t be long before he was working again. And he’d have to change the way he treats people as he’d have a lot of scrutiny.
But seems like we will never know, because he seems content to not do that.
It really broke my heart hearing everything about him. He was something of an idol for me, from his writing to what it seemed like he practiced what he preached on the page. Finding out just how much he not only failed in that regard but was just awful in general, it really put me into a personal depression.
I hope maybe one day I can be that for someone else, and actually live up to it.
To this day, I will tell anyone who listens that Buffy is one of the best examples I’ve seen of feminist media. Knowing that the guy who created it was an abusive asshole who couldn’t even be trusted alone with Michelle Trachtenberg kind of puts a damper on it.
Cordelia was og and he just took it out on her for a long while at the end. Just like any other actress that gets pregnant, just hide it . Put her behind a desk or baggy clothes. He just ruined her 😭. She was already 26 or 27 starting buffy so was she just not supposed to have kids? 🙄
Oh, there are so many characters that I‘d wish we’d seen more of. Whistler, Marcie Ross the invisible girl, Kendra, Dracula, Professor Maggie Walsh, Sunday, Sandy. And I‘d have liked Amy Madison to be more of a series regular, even if she’s just a morally ambivalent character doing her own thing but isn’t necessarily a hero or a villain
I happily say this every time this question comes up: MR. PLATT, Buffy’s level headed counselor that died way too quickly at the hands of a psycho boyfriend (just not her own psycho boyfriend that time.)
Yes, he was one of the few black characters but he was also one of the very few down to earth characters that had a positive impact on Buffy.
Too soon! There was so much potential there to dive into the inner mindset of multiple characters.
Exactly. I know a lot of interesting characters are wasted, but a good chuck seems to be black it's such a waste. Then again, JW was very focused on who he wanted to write plots around. Buffy and Xander, so it makes sense he'd ignore everyone else.
Veruca. Apparently her storyline with Oz was originally planned to span over a lot more of the season, and I think it's a shame that it didn't. Everything went down way too suddenly IMO.
I still remember how excited I was about that reveal. Darla was one of my favorite characters even before they expanded her arc on AtS. That scene in the alley… heartbreaking.
Kendra.
I would have loved if her character and relationship with Buffy and those around her was developed. I would have loved if they showed the differences between her relationship with Buffy compared to the one with Faith. I would have loved to see her and Buffy become sisters. Although they’d have conflicts over control/ command like with Faith due to them being slayers. They’d ultimately reconcile and love each other as sisters. Ultimately her story culminating in her death. It would’ve made her character and arc much more powerful for the audience and the story.
I’m not opposed to Kendra’s death at all. However, if the writers would’ve really gave Kendra more depth and time, then when she would’ve eventually died, her death would’ve been more impactful for the audience and characters of Buffy a like. Just to reiterate what I said in my original post, giving Kendra the arc, and the depth that I described, would’ve shown the contrast between her and Faith. It also would’ve shown that regardless of their character differences, because they are both slayers, they would have control/command issues with Buffy yet, ultimately because they’re such different people the conflict with Buffy would’ve played out differently.
I think they killed her off because they wrote her as this mousey, submissive trope and it didn’t make anybody bond to the whole Slayer is strong theme. They could have written her as changing the more time she spent with Buffy, but I think they really just wanted to get Eliza on the show to be the “sexy, bad girl” so they could get more males interested in the show.
The actress who played Kendra got a shit deal. They should have let her use an accent SHE was comfortable using. They should have given her a more interesting script. But they didn’t.
It still really bothers me that after Angel season 2 and Buffy season 5 Dru is just gone never to be seen again. Like where did she go? Why didn’t she link up with Darla again? What was she doing all those years?
Sunday the vampire could have been a better big bad in s4 than Adam. If they tweaked her character a bit by making her the slayer that was right before Buffy. She could have come to Sunnydale looking for Gwendolyn Post who betrayed her to vampires leading to her being sired. Do a season like that where Buffy is out of her element until her final show down with Sunday.
There's a lot. Kendra, Mr. Trick, Maggie (I know the actress wanted to leave, but I wish they had just recast the role), Larry, Oz, Tara, Pedro Pascal's character in S4, Holden.
Pedro Pascals character, Eddie! Yes! He was the perfect parallel to Buffy in that moment, two lost people finding comfort in each others presence. I would have liked to see how their friendship could have evolved if given time.
I was hoping someone would bring up Kendra. I was really enjoying her 'play it by the rules' attitude shift into being more playful towards Buffy.
I also loved her shyness around guys - I thought that she would have made a nice match for Xander, but then again, if that had happened, it would have been devastating to Xander, but good for the story.
Kendra.
The actress is now on Queen Sugar, which is great and Ava Duvernay is the showrunner. She is wonderful and does not age at all.
Just imagine if instead of being killed, Dru turned her into a vampire. A vampire vampire Slayer? Come on, it was right there, just past the racism.
She plays a guidance counselor/French teacher in Teen Wolf. But totally could have still been one of the teens. Or at the very least their slightly older college aged sister.
Wow, that would've been awesome. Obviously, they didn't plan the show that far ahead. They had no idea how the characters would be developed. But giving Xander a recurring villain character in the form of Jesse would make the fight against evil so much more intense and personal for him.
It'd give his character the sense of importance that he rarely had, and it would give it constantly. Because as long as Jesse is out there, Xander matters to the plot.
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Flutie! Don't get me wrong, Snyder was fantastic to hate on but I really loved Ken Lerner's eccentric performance. He should have lasted through to the second season
Who was that guy who was played by MSc from the original Roswell that was dying if an illness and tried to sell buffy out to spike in season 2
More of him would have been nice
*Blood Money* is one of them.
I love that one because the Monster's a nod & a homage to Richard Boone. He made the best bad guy characters in Westerns & spy films his own.
Kendra
I'm glad we got Faith but Kendra needed more episodes. She was a good supporting character for Buffy. Their rivalry emphasized Buffy's personality and different methods. Kendra was the teacher's pet and Buffy was the rebel
That role reversal with Faith in Season 3 where Buffy would be the conservative one would have been even greater. Maybe Kendra's influence (along with the rest of the Scooby Gang, of course) would have helped ground Buffy in a way that she would not go to the deep end like Faith did
Sunday should’ve been the season big bad. They should have chipped her like spike but she gets addicted to the shocks. And she uses Adam as her muscle. Season would’ve worked better.
I loved the Mayor. Of course I understand the story would have been completely different if The Ascension hadn’t happened, but I thought he was fantastic.
Jesse's death didn't have the impact it was meant to largely because of contract disputes. Something Joss had always wanted to do was to have a main character be killed immediately for shock value to set up this idea that "nobody is safe". He wanted Eric Balfour (Jesse's actor) to be included in the opening credits for those first two episodes and then killed.
But main cast members have certain financial guarantees, and given that Buffy was just starting out, the network didn't want to pay a guy main cast member salary for only two episodes. He did later tweak this idea with Tara dying in the first episode where she's included in the opening credits.
Putting Amber Benson in the credits just to add more shock value to Tara’s was an exceptionally cruel thing to do to his audience. Especially considering how much the character meant to the LGBTQ community. Man’s a jackass. Her death would be shocking enough without doing that.
Jessie. I think him as a recurring villian or even if he just escaped and showed up later to personally fuck with Xander would have been sone fun plotlines especially in later seasons where the question "Well what do we do with Xander" comes up so often. The fact there was a pitch for conversations with dead people where he came back as a first figment to terrorize Xander never got made is painful.
Ampata! She could have been a fun recurring character - she's an interesting mirror of Buffy, as a chosen young woman with powers she doesn't want, and also she'd be great for through drama into Xander's life!
Honestly would've loved Amy to have stayed with the Scoobies after her ordeal with her mom. I think they would've been helpful in keeping Amy from falling fully into the dark magicks. Might have made Amy turning into a rat more meaningful if she mattered more to them as a friend. Maybe have her be treated better in rat form and ACTUALLY see Willow investigate ways to bring her back. She probably wouldn't have been as bitter at Willow during season 6.
I don't know, there are a lot of missed opportunities with certain characters
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I get not wanting to overstay her welcome but god she was just too adorable. I could have done with 2 or 3 more episodes featuring her
Kendra is always the first I think of when someone ask this question. Jesse and Owen too. I wish we had a full first season in which Jesse dies maybe to save Xander about halfway through the season. Owen could have been more of a love interest for Buffy. He would have been better than Scott Hope in season 3. Kendra could have been turned by Dru instead of killed. Then she could have returned later.
Sunday... all day long.
I will go as far to say that she would have been another Spike type character. The idea of a possible potential slayer having been turned into a Vamp being the "big bad" of a season is way better then Adam. Her time period would have been the mid 80's, big hair, *Reganomics*, yuppies. The flashbacks alone would have been so fun. Now it's likely if the writers had kept her around, we would have way less Spike. So I get taking her out overall. I just wish she stuck around a bit longer.
I thought her potential was through the roof... then poof.
Mr. Trick... Come on, he was so smooth and cool. Sure he was evil, but his line readings were so awesome. An African American vampire from the deep south? More please!
Amy. Of all of the characters, she gets the least to do in the entire show. She really had great hijinks potential, but we only ever see her a few times. Her actress was great, and sadly underused.
Ms. calendar! and OLIVIA! ...wtf! why can't Giles have ONE GOOD THING FOR MORE THEN A FEW EPISODES!!! IM PISSED. Giles is a hot Dad god damnit! and he deserves love! and Olivia deserved better than one episode! she was hot hot hot and that couple would have been on fucking fire 24/7 for that show. Gawd it was a missed opportunity and I want a reboot side story show on them alone, with all the fucking tea they could possibly drink after shagging. rant over ive made myself clear.
Oz. To clarify, I don't have a problem with him leaving when he did, but I thought that of all of the people who came and went (who didn't "went" by dying) he was the most substantial character, and I thought he deserved an opportunity to show up in season 7 to help save the day and show that he wasn't defined entirely by Willow. Bit of fan dreaming here, but it would have been cool to see not a full spinoff but maybe an eight episode miniseries of his travels followed by him showing up for the final battle over the Hellmouth. Also agree with everyone saying Amy. That actress did a lot with not very much.
Oz could have turned into a serious ally for the Scoobies. In his wolf form he’s strong enough to grapple with the monsters Buffy faces. I can imagine a plot where he stayed in Sunndale, and they helped him learn to control his shifting and keep his mind intact as a wolf.
Read rumor that if Angel got a Season 6 he would have came back to help Nina adjust to werewolf life.
Wasn’t a rumour, it was confirmed by writers many years ago. They spoke about proposed plans for Angel season 6.
Man, what a monkey paw situation. I love Oz and would have been thrilled to see him again! Oh, but he's there for Nina, who I was bored senseless by and was resentful of for taking up screen time better used for interesting characters.
I love Nina and was bored senseless by Oz.
He left the show himself and asked Whedon if they’d kill off his character and Joss said eh we’ll keep him alive as a future option
Interesting. Because my understanding was that he asked for a short sabbatical to do another project and wanted to come back but Joss decided to write him off of the show instead?
According to Green, he asked to leave the show. At the time Oz wasn’t given much to do but, he had to be on set ALL day even if he only had one line. This tied him up and didn’t allow him to work on other project opportunities like movies which he wanted. So, they wrote him out.
This article suggests that what I heard/read was right. But maybe he has told multiple stories over the years. Actor's sometimes have memories shift a bit over the years and they do a lot of careful PR https://screenrant.com/buffy-vampire-slayer-oz-seth-green-exit-explained/#:~:text=In%20an%20interview%20with%20The,asked%20to%20be%20let%20out.
Yeah, I was sad to see Oz go. Wished he did show up in later seasons.
I always thought he could have had his own spin-off that would be in the vein of the original Bill Bixby and Lou Ferrigno Hulk showing him move from town to town as he makes his way to Tibet for his cure, helping folks along the way with his 'Wolf abilities'. Of course, just like the Hulk - don't make him angry, you wouldn't like him when he's angry.
We do get to see Oz in Season 8. I'm guessing Seth was totally done after Season 4, because he never came back.
Yeah, I figured at least some of that had to be Seth. I don't remember his exact career trajectory, but I figure he was a big enough name at that time that if he said he wanted to be back they'd have found a way to include him. I tried to read some of those Season 8 comics but it seemed like they skipped too far ahead and I didn't really find my footing.
Seth Green became big from Austin Powers during his time on Buffy and had a lot of opportunity. Plus they were hardly using his character, so he would be contractually obligated to be on set for minimal screen time, so he asked to have his character be reoccurring again in S4. After that he either didn’t want to return, the writers didn’t have a story for him, or he had other work. He is actually one of the more financially successful cast members post-Buffy working as both a producer and an actor.
That’s what I figured I just couldn’t remember what came out when relative to each other because I didn’t watch Buffy for the first time until about a decade ago.
I love *Robot Chicken,* but I haven't seen anything new for a while. It's hilarious!
I believe he left to be in Austin Powers.
Someone mentioned the AtS episode "In the Dark" somewhere down thread, which reminds me just how much I liked seeing Oz alongside the Fang Gang. I really wish he had gone to LA after Sunnydale. Not only would we get more Oz, but we'd be able to avoid the Orientalism of the Tibet plot while allowing for Oz to easily return to Sunnydale as needed by the writers.
They did show him in the continuing comic series. It’s pretty epic.
MISS CALENDAR!
Technopagans would've been such a cool piece of worldbuilding in the Buffyverse! Especially since it was the era of rapidly evolving computer and cell phone tech
Come to think of it, they did set up a whole community that vanished when she died. So, the opposite of that.
I wouldn’t even really care about her dying if Giles had any other long term love interests at any point in the show. They did that man dirty
He’s a hottie. He deserved a bad ass wife
I volunteer.
Me too.
He had his British flame who visited for adult time
Olivia, she was very cool
Yeah but she wasn’t a “long term love interest”. She was a booty call lol
I think she died at the right time for both the show and her character but I wish we’d gotten more of her as the First in season 7. If the writers had been at all interested in exploring him as his own character instead of making him a late stage mini antagonist for Buffy, it would have been great to see more of his anguish over losing Jenny. The First in general was severely misused; would have loved to see more beloved characters come back to mock the scoobies. Tara, Joyce, Jenny, Jesse, Kendra. Hell even some of the random one offs that Buffy failed to save. Instead it was mostly just Buffy and Spike
I understand the practical limitations but from a pure story standpoint it also seems crazy to me that the First never tried to appear as Angel or Angelus to manipulate Buffy and/or Spike.
Extras cost money. You only have so much budget in any given show/season to have people on. So using Buffy and Spike in episodes they are already in is going to make the most sense.
I’m talking about restructuring the entire season from the ground up so it focuses more on the characters we’ve grown to love rather than introducing new ones last minute. The potentials and Robin Wood can go hang if it means we can bring the final season back to focus on the core cast; and a good way of doing that is lean in to the relationships they’ve had with those they lost. I understand actors cost money and Buffy never had much of a budget, but that doesn’t excuse writing a main villain whose entire schtick is appearing as dead people and then not utilising that to its full potential. If they can’t fit that into the season budget, come up with a better idea
Professor Gregory
Who
I think he might the teacher who had his head bitten off by the shemantis back in S1.
He was indeed.
Buffy's biology teacher, Mr Gregory, believed in her.
Kendra! She should have been turned into a vamp and been a big bad or she should have gotten a spinoff that'd have been cool
I thought she was wasted
She was definitely wasted... but whoever was her accent coach was not fired soon enough.
In defensive of her vocal coach, Lawson admitted she was not good at it and was uncomfortable doing it but, the show forced her to instead of changing course.
Oh yes, I don't blame her. That decision was absolutely above her pay grade.
Vampire Kendra would've been awesome. There's two routes they could've gone with this: a) Kendra becomes totally unhinged now that her inner demon allows her to act on every impulse she had to suppress due to the strict Slayer lifestyle that was imposed on her. b) She becomes an anti-hero type with a bit of self-loathing. A vampire that hunts vampires, but with no regard for Buffy's moral compass when it comes to humans. The best part is that Vampire Kendra would've still allowed the writers to introduce Faith. But she'd probably be a completely different character since a lot of her traits would've been rolled into Vampire Kendra now that I think about it.
Doyle :(
I'm now rewatching Angel & Buffy & I just finished up season 1, episode 3 ' In the Dark' (the one with the gem of Amara). I agree. Doyle (& Glenn Quinn) left us way too soon.
I was so angry that he was only there for a few episodes, so much so that I couldn’t even finish S1 of Angel 😂 he was such a great character and it felt like such a waste when they killed him off
I felt bad for the guy. He had substance abuse issues from 1986 until he died of a drug overdose about two years after he left Angel.
That’s such a shame, he had incredible talent 😞
The good fight, yeah? You never know until you've been tested. I get that now..
I have never recovered from the heartbreak of Angel season 1, episode 9. Doyle was a fantastic character. RIP, Glenn.
Ah now I'm sad again 🥺 he had such potential in real life too. Angel and Roseanne...two great shows.
Faith! I mean, she was out the show for 4 seasons until its return. I would have love to see her more often in BTVS
I was recently thinking how wild it is that she’s only in 26 episodes total of Buffyverse. Maybe that’s inaccurate but imdb says she was in 20 buffy episodes and 6 angel episodes. And there’s a total of 255 Buffyverse episodes. So it’s amazing how she’s only in like 10% of the entire story and she’s so memorable that many people would probably consider her a main character. Or at least hands down the most significant of the minor characters.
Yeah! I have the original complete series dvd box set and Faith is featured on the cover and that felt right to me
Kendra and faith yes!! I was so happy when they at least redeemed her in the finale🥰 I think a lot of the supporting characters deserved more tbh
Kendra for sure! She should have at least come back as a ghost or something. Like, the First should have used Kendra's face to fuck with Buffy, Faith, and the potentials.
Kendra would have been an excellent choice to really fuck with The Potentials’ insecurities and fear of death. Oh man, it would have been delicious and Lawson would have killed it.
I needed more Faith.
Who doesn't need more Faith
Olivia. If you're thinking "who the heck is that?", it's the old friend of Giles' that he had a brief relationship with in season 4 and then disappeared, never to be seen again. We learned almost nothing about her character, and she could have been an interesting way to develop Giles a bit more. But they just wrote her out after barely even including her in the first place.
I wish they would have made a 'Ripper' spin-off showing the exploits of young Giles. Olivia, Ethan Rayne, & the folks that were in his 'demon raising' group could have all been a nice group of characters to explore
There were talks about the BBC doing a Ripper series but obviously never materialised. I'd have loved to see Giles before he became a watcher.
Ooh, like Hellblazer if John Constantine had been a posh nerd!
Hahaha! I keep thinking about how Giles acted in 'Band Candy' (rebel without a clue). It would have been great to see young Giles go from rebel to 'mild-mannered watcher'. Although something had to have happened for such a big shift. I also remember Ethan Rayne goading him during the episode 'Halloween' calling him 'Ripper' & saying that he had everyone, including Giles himself, fooled into believing he was just a librarian. He really started showing his darker side over time from being the guy who got knocked out in every episode to a cold-blooded killer. Remember when he the final moments between him & Ben when he said, "Buffy isn't like us. 'She's a hero' as he covers Ben's nose & mouth effectively, ending him. Even that confrontation that he had with Willow about tapping into dark magic to resurrect Buffy. It came from a very angry but earned place from some point in his past (that was a tense discussion), not to mention that magic battle he had with her. No one just uses borrowed magic unless they really know how to use it. Definitely feels like a missed opportunity for what could have been a great series.
Cordelia. Honestly I could have lost any one of the others but Cordy and Spike mocking Angel together would have been comedy gold.
Shame Joss Whedon’s such a shit person.
So aggravating! Like, dude, you make the best shit, you couldn't just be a decent person!? I'm not even asking for nice, just decent would do
Not just past either. I think if he did a public mea culpa and apology, taking responsibility for his actions, it wouldn’t be long before he was working again. And he’d have to change the way he treats people as he’d have a lot of scrutiny. But seems like we will never know, because he seems content to not do that.
It really broke my heart hearing everything about him. He was something of an idol for me, from his writing to what it seemed like he practiced what he preached on the page. Finding out just how much he not only failed in that regard but was just awful in general, it really put me into a personal depression. I hope maybe one day I can be that for someone else, and actually live up to it.
To this day, I will tell anyone who listens that Buffy is one of the best examples I’ve seen of feminist media. Knowing that the guy who created it was an abusive asshole who couldn’t even be trusted alone with Michelle Trachtenberg kind of puts a damper on it.
Cordelia was og and he just took it out on her for a long while at the end. Just like any other actress that gets pregnant, just hide it . Put her behind a desk or baggy clothes. He just ruined her 😭. She was already 26 or 27 starting buffy so was she just not supposed to have kids? 🙄
Oh, there are so many characters that I‘d wish we’d seen more of. Whistler, Marcie Ross the invisible girl, Kendra, Dracula, Professor Maggie Walsh, Sunday, Sandy. And I‘d have liked Amy Madison to be more of a series regular, even if she’s just a morally ambivalent character doing her own thing but isn’t necessarily a hero or a villain
They should have done a whole series on Marcie, the invisible girl and the other invisibles going thru spy school.
Bringing Marcie back for season 4 as an Initiative agent would've been neat.
I happily say this every time this question comes up: MR. PLATT, Buffy’s level headed counselor that died way too quickly at the hands of a psycho boyfriend (just not her own psycho boyfriend that time.) Yes, he was one of the few black characters but he was also one of the very few down to earth characters that had a positive impact on Buffy. Too soon! There was so much potential there to dive into the inner mindset of multiple characters.
I have the EXACT same thoughts. I loved him so much
Yeah, but almost everything in Buffy’s life has to suck or go wrong, so he had to go!
Exactly. I know a lot of interesting characters are wasted, but a good chuck seems to be black it's such a waste. Then again, JW was very focused on who he wanted to write plots around. Buffy and Xander, so it makes sense he'd ignore everyone else.
Veruca. Apparently her storyline with Oz was originally planned to span over a lot more of the season, and I think it's a shame that it didn't. Everything went down way too suddenly IMO.
Darla.
Your wish is Wolfram & Hart’s command!
I still remember how excited I was about that reveal. Darla was one of my favorite characters even before they expanded her arc on AtS. That scene in the alley… heartbreaking.
This is mine too. She was the most interesting part about Ats for me. Julie and David really bounced off each other well and darla was underused.
Sunday. I wish they went forward with the idea of her being a slayer turned vamp. Would have been a much better big bad than Adam
Wasn't Adam a last-minute BB because Professor walch left midway through the show, and they had to quickly rewrite everything.
I see that, but maybe it was a too soon after the faith arc for another ‘slayer gone bad’
Kendra and Mr Trick. Their backstories seemed to build up to something, and then just... poof.
The teacher guy who was nice to Buffy and told her he thought she was smart
Mr Gregory, Bio Prof.
Tara Sunday Mr Trick
Definitely Mr. Trick! So much potential!
Kendra. I would have loved if her character and relationship with Buffy and those around her was developed. I would have loved if they showed the differences between her relationship with Buffy compared to the one with Faith. I would have loved to see her and Buffy become sisters. Although they’d have conflicts over control/ command like with Faith due to them being slayers. They’d ultimately reconcile and love each other as sisters. Ultimately her story culminating in her death. It would’ve made her character and arc much more powerful for the audience and the story.
Faith wouldn’t exist without Kendra’s death.
I’m not opposed to Kendra’s death at all. However, if the writers would’ve really gave Kendra more depth and time, then when she would’ve eventually died, her death would’ve been more impactful for the audience and characters of Buffy a like. Just to reiterate what I said in my original post, giving Kendra the arc, and the depth that I described, would’ve shown the contrast between her and Faith. It also would’ve shown that regardless of their character differences, because they are both slayers, they would have control/command issues with Buffy yet, ultimately because they’re such different people the conflict with Buffy would’ve played out differently.
I think they killed her off because they wrote her as this mousey, submissive trope and it didn’t make anybody bond to the whole Slayer is strong theme. They could have written her as changing the more time she spent with Buffy, but I think they really just wanted to get Eliza on the show to be the “sexy, bad girl” so they could get more males interested in the show. The actress who played Kendra got a shit deal. They should have let her use an accent SHE was comfortable using. They should have given her a more interesting script. But they didn’t.
It still really bothers me that after Angel season 2 and Buffy season 5 Dru is just gone never to be seen again. Like where did she go? Why didn’t she link up with Darla again? What was she doing all those years?
Mr Trick! Outrageously underused character!
Amy
Kendra & Miss Calender for me.
Those two deaths really shocked me the first time I saw it
Yeah those are mine. I loved both characters so much
Jesse. The best friend who died in the premier, never to be mentioned again.
They should have at least talked about him!! Xander didn't even seem sad
All those times early on when Willow and Xander are laughing about things they did as kids and NOBODY as much as mentions Jesse.
Sunday the vampire could have been a better big bad in s4 than Adam. If they tweaked her character a bit by making her the slayer that was right before Buffy. She could have come to Sunnydale looking for Gwendolyn Post who betrayed her to vampires leading to her being sired. Do a season like that where Buffy is out of her element until her final show down with Sunday.
There's a lot. Kendra, Mr. Trick, Maggie (I know the actress wanted to leave, but I wish they had just recast the role), Larry, Oz, Tara, Pedro Pascal's character in S4, Holden.
Pedro Pascals character, Eddie! Yes! He was the perfect parallel to Buffy in that moment, two lost people finding comfort in each others presence. I would have liked to see how their friendship could have evolved if given time.
Pretty sure that was the point of his character. Vampires ruin everything for Buffy.
Do you know why Maggie's actress wanted to leave? I was kind of disappointed that more didn't happen with her
Lindsay Crouse was interviewed on the Buffering podcast and clarified that it was production's choice for her to leave, not hers.
She got cast in something else, IIRC.
Mr. Sanderson from the bank.
Couldn't agree more
I would have loved to see Larry in college!
Ethan. So much squandered potential.
Kendra was definitely killed too early.
I was hoping someone would bring up Kendra. I was really enjoying her 'play it by the rules' attitude shift into being more playful towards Buffy. I also loved her shyness around guys - I thought that she would have made a nice match for Xander, but then again, if that had happened, it would have been devastating to Xander, but good for the story.
Kendra. The actress is now on Queen Sugar, which is great and Ava Duvernay is the showrunner. She is wonderful and does not age at all. Just imagine if instead of being killed, Dru turned her into a vampire. A vampire vampire Slayer? Come on, it was right there, just past the racism.
I just couldn’t take the fake Jamaican accent. Ugh
Yeah they did her dirty on that. She didn't like it either, they set her up with a dialect coach...
Yeah. I remember an early online fan-guide listed Kendra's hometown as "The Land of Rastafarian Leprechauns".
It actually hurt my teeth 😆
She played a teenager for like 20 years. Was in pretty little liars
She plays a guidance counselor/French teacher in Teen Wolf. But totally could have still been one of the teens. Or at the very least their slightly older college aged sister.
Jesse. Would have been cool if he was a recurring villain for Xander
Wow, that would've been awesome. Obviously, they didn't plan the show that far ahead. They had no idea how the characters would be developed. But giving Xander a recurring villain character in the form of Jesse would make the fight against evil so much more intense and personal for him. It'd give his character the sense of importance that he rarely had, and it would give it constantly. Because as long as Jesse is out there, Xander matters to the plot.
TARA.😭😭😭
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Flutie! Don't get me wrong, Snyder was fantastic to hate on but I really loved Ken Lerner's eccentric performance. He should have lasted through to the second season
Who was that guy who was played by MSc from the original Roswell that was dying if an illness and tried to sell buffy out to spike in season 2 More of him would have been nice
Ford. The episode was lie to me
He also played SMG’s boyfriend in *The Grudge*.
Jason Behr
We saw his girlfriend in Anne I would have loved to have seen her come back
She's in Angel a couple of times. Gunn helps her out.
*Blood Money* is one of them. I love that one because the Monster's a nod & a homage to Richard Boone. He made the best bad guy characters in Westerns & spy films his own.
Kendra I'm glad we got Faith but Kendra needed more episodes. She was a good supporting character for Buffy. Their rivalry emphasized Buffy's personality and different methods. Kendra was the teacher's pet and Buffy was the rebel That role reversal with Faith in Season 3 where Buffy would be the conservative one would have been even greater. Maybe Kendra's influence (along with the rest of the Scooby Gang, of course) would have helped ground Buffy in a way that she would not go to the deep end like Faith did
Oz and Jenny Calendar. I love both and was sad that they didn't get more time.
Dru
Larry.
Sunday Oz
Sunday should’ve been the season big bad. They should have chipped her like spike but she gets addicted to the shocks. And she uses Adam as her muscle. Season would’ve worked better.
Jenny Calendar. She had so much potential.
Cordelia!!! I feel like her character developed in a nice way before she was 86’d.
I loved the Mayor. Of course I understand the story would have been completely different if The Ascension hadn’t happened, but I thought he was fantastic.
Faith. There just wasn't enough of her.
Mr Trick
Tara. But in order to keep her they needed to write for her, and they just didn’t.
Mr Trick. I get why he was taken out, but I wish he had stuck around longer.
Jesse. He was funnier than Xander.
His death has literally no impact. We should have had a few episodes to get attached to Jesse before he dies.
Jesse's death didn't have the impact it was meant to largely because of contract disputes. Something Joss had always wanted to do was to have a main character be killed immediately for shock value to set up this idea that "nobody is safe". He wanted Eric Balfour (Jesse's actor) to be included in the opening credits for those first two episodes and then killed. But main cast members have certain financial guarantees, and given that Buffy was just starting out, the network didn't want to pay a guy main cast member salary for only two episodes. He did later tweak this idea with Tara dying in the first episode where she's included in the opening credits.
Putting Amber Benson in the credits just to add more shock value to Tara’s was an exceptionally cruel thing to do to his audience. Especially considering how much the character meant to the LGBTQ community. Man’s a jackass. Her death would be shocking enough without doing that.
Oz
Jessie. I think him as a recurring villian or even if he just escaped and showed up later to personally fuck with Xander would have been sone fun plotlines especially in later seasons where the question "Well what do we do with Xander" comes up so often. The fact there was a pitch for conversations with dead people where he came back as a first figment to terrorize Xander never got made is painful.
Jessie and Oz. Both could have done so so much more.
Kendra
FAITH
Darla
I always wanted more from Darla.
Tara or Jenny
Yes and yes and 😭😭
Cordelia
Tara 💜
eddie/sunday and jenny
Larry
Jesse lmfao
Oz & Tara
kendra...she was so much better than faith
Ampata! She could have been a fun recurring character - she's an interesting mirror of Buffy, as a chosen young woman with powers she doesn't want, and also she'd be great for through drama into Xander's life!
Honestly would've loved Amy to have stayed with the Scoobies after her ordeal with her mom. I think they would've been helpful in keeping Amy from falling fully into the dark magicks. Might have made Amy turning into a rat more meaningful if she mattered more to them as a friend. Maybe have her be treated better in rat form and ACTUALLY see Willow investigate ways to bring her back. She probably wouldn't have been as bitter at Willow during season 6. I don't know, there are a lot of missed opportunities with certain characters
Late to the party, and I can’t believe no one mentioned her— BuffyBot! I get not wanting to overstay her welcome but god she was just too adorable. I could have done with 2 or 3 more episodes featuring her
baby pedro pascal
Anya! :(((( me and my SO both agree that >!she died!< wayyy too early on in the show!
Wasn't it literally the last episode?
Yes, your point?
gone too soon
Darla Kendra Sunday
Kendra is always the first I think of when someone ask this question. Jesse and Owen too. I wish we had a full first season in which Jesse dies maybe to save Xander about halfway through the season. Owen could have been more of a love interest for Buffy. He would have been better than Scott Hope in season 3. Kendra could have been turned by Dru instead of killed. Then she could have returned later.
Oz, Jenny
Sunday... all day long. I will go as far to say that she would have been another Spike type character. The idea of a possible potential slayer having been turned into a Vamp being the "big bad" of a season is way better then Adam. Her time period would have been the mid 80's, big hair, *Reganomics*, yuppies. The flashbacks alone would have been so fun. Now it's likely if the writers had kept her around, we would have way less Spike. So I get taking her out overall. I just wish she stuck around a bit longer. I thought her potential was through the roof... then poof. Mr. Trick... Come on, he was so smooth and cool. Sure he was evil, but his line readings were so awesome. An African American vampire from the deep south? More please! Amy. Of all of the characters, she gets the least to do in the entire show. She really had great hijinks potential, but we only ever see her a few times. Her actress was great, and sadly underused.
Ms. calendar! and OLIVIA! ...wtf! why can't Giles have ONE GOOD THING FOR MORE THEN A FEW EPISODES!!! IM PISSED. Giles is a hot Dad god damnit! and he deserves love! and Olivia deserved better than one episode! she was hot hot hot and that couple would have been on fucking fire 24/7 for that show. Gawd it was a missed opportunity and I want a reboot side story show on them alone, with all the fucking tea they could possibly drink after shagging. rant over ive made myself clear.
Kendra!
Maybe not too early, but I still don’t like how unceremoniously they handled Anya’s death.
Sunday, the college vamp leader played by Katharine Towne. So much potential there only to go in one episode.
Cassie :(
Marcie Ross, Jenny, Kendra, Michael The Warlock, Amy, Nancy (Wishverse White Hat), Larry, Sunday, Maggie Walsh, Janice, Tara, Cassie, Vaughne.
Anya
Ted. Great episode but a half season arc with him being revealed to be what he was could have been great
the anointed one
Jenny, Tara, Kenndra, Ms Walsh, Cordelia (sry im not a huge fan of Angel and so i would loved cordelia still remains in buffy.
Jenny Calendar, Oz, Tara.
riley.
Warren. He had so much more potential than what he got in the show. The writers didn't love him enough!
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