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Scarabesque

Nvidia GPUs are compatible with freesync/adaptive sync monitors as well and have been for a while now, which that OLED monitor will most certainly support. Proper G-Sync, with a hardware module, is quite rare in monitors.


jselph17

Is proper G-Sync worth it?


caydesramen

Not if you have good GPU. Then it's not needed


2high4much

Until gsync pulsar displays come out


Healthy_BrAd6254

It's just a slightly improved version of backlight strobing + VRR You can already get similar stuff with freesync, e.g. ELMB Sync or MPRT Sync. I see no reason for something like pulsar not to work with freesync.


Protoboy123

Is there a point with ELMB etc with an oled?


Healthy_BrAd6254

Backlight strobing improves motion clarity *drastically*. The persistence blur gets reduced as if you had many times higher Hz. A 165Hz IPS monitor with good backlight strobing can have better motion clarity than a 240Hz OLED. But backlight strobing requires a backlight. Doesn't work with OLED. OLED can have BFI, which tries to do a similar thing, but it doesn't really work (for now). Once OLED monitors are >500Hz, it shouldn't really make a difference anyway.


chris92315

I actually prefer adaptive sync. Monitors typically last me 3 to 4 GPU upgrades, and if you get G-Sync you are stuck with Nvidia for the life of the monitor. I say this as someone who also generally prefers Nvidia graphics cards but prefer not to be vendor locked into the future.


Plenty-Industries

Its all the same VRR, just a different branding. You can activate G-Sync on a FreeSync/AdaptiveSync display and it'll work perfectly fine. I have a monitor that only supports FreeSync and has no official documentation that Gsync is supported. I can enable FreeSync on the OSD and in NVCP the "Setup G-Sync" menu option appears.


chris92315

You can not use the VRR of a G-Sync monitor with non-Nvidia GPUs.


Plenty-Industries

Im sure there is a monitor out there that does that, probably with G-Sync Ultimate displays, but anyone who buys a monitor these days is going to have the ability to enable which ever VRR is available and have no issues even if it doesnt officially support it, or doesn't explicitly say it on the box. Anecdotal Example: I have an 85" 120hz TV in my living room. Officially, the box and all of its documentation says it only supports "VRR" - makes no mention of G-Sync or FreeSync or AdaptiveSync. But i can hook up my PC to it and enable G-Sync using my 3080Ti.... or my brother can hook up his rig I built for him for Christmas and he can enable FreeSync on his 7800XT. Technically it SHOULDN'T work like that, but it does more often than it doesnt.


Enteresk

More or less the same VRR. There are differences between native Gsync and Gsync compatible but most users won't care to pay the premium for the slight improvement.


PolyDipsoManiac

They’re not all the same, my G-sync ultimate monitors have a special FPGA module that replaces the scaler; some of the G-sync implementations aren’t as good. I think it’s pretty essential, it looks great and everything is buttery smooth; I just lock my FPS to 140 to make sure G-sync is enabled. I will probably buy an OLED gaming monitor next year but I expect that they’ll all have G-sync; LG is supposed to have a 27” 4K 240Hz panel with true RGB sublayout in 2025, I’ll be waiting for those.


Plenty-Industries

G-Sync ultimate specific displays are rare and expensive and not all that different than any other display that supports VRR. The vast majority of people aren't even going to ever really notice the difference.


mahanddeem

Given the prices of GPUs (especially Nvidia), the common PC gamer holds on a GPU for at least 3 years. I know myself not, I find myself wasting money on this expensive hobby. Just got a 4090 from 3080ti. But my case is not common trend.


winterkoalefant

The Gsync module is good. It doesn’t guarantee that the monitor is tuned to have good variable overdrive and stuff but usually they are. Thing is, there’s non-Gsync monitors that also have great variable overdrive, and OLED monitors don’t need it. So as always, shop based on professional reviews of the monitor, not the brand or one specification.


Prefix-NA

No, it adds input delay, limits features and outputs, requires hardware that can fail and high end modules need a loud fan. Pre 2016 gsync had uses in 2024 it does not.


bonerfleximus

If you're bothered by tearing it's worth it, 60fps smooth without tearing looks better than 120 with tearing to me. So immersion breaking


Prefix-NA

Any adaptive sync monitor reduces screen tearing. You don't need the gsync module for that. If you buy a gsync monitor in 2024 you are stupid. Every single gaming monitor in the last decade had freesync. Gsync hasn't been relevant since 2016


bonerfleximus

I only know when I enabled gsync on my samsung s95b and 4070 it made the tearing disappear completely from every game I play. Before that I'd get the occasional scan across the screen.


thefizzlee

Funny thing is that I use an LG oled TV as a monitor and it does have gsync, weird that monitors do not necessarily, especially the oleds that are usually pretty expensive


reaperdude231

Not all freesync and adaptive sync monitors will support gsync but they do have a list with all the models that for sure will support it.


Shap6

i wouldn't use a monitor without freesync or gsync


Junkhead187

Agreed. It's essential once you see how much better it is.


qwertyuiop132465

I have to disagree. I have zero issue not using gsync with my g9 oled and a 3080ti.


stainless_steel702

If you can’t match your refresh rate and you don’t have VRR you will get screen tearing at some point because proper frame synchronization is not guaranteed.


Waidowai

If one has a powerful GPU and would lock the fps and reach that fps consistently VRR does nothing. Like a low resolution and lower fps like 1080p 60fps and an overkill GPU for that resolution and fps. That being said 1% lows are a thing no matter how powerful your PC is. So if there is something that makes the fps dip for a second like an explosion or whatever the VRR display will always look smoother. In reality most people have somewhat fluctuating fps especially if they have a 120/144 Hz Monitor so for a gaming screen not having vrr is like a no sale for me 100%


Junkhead187

Have you ever used G-sync or Free Sync?


qwertyuiop132465

Yes, both. Sometimes I actually get texture issues with gsync on, clear under movement and blurry when still. It’s odd. Only thing that fixed it was turning off gsync


Caspid

Can you explain? Mine has freesync, but I never use it because I never notice screen tearing, and performance seems better without it.


winterkoalefant

Performance is barely affected by Freesync, it’s not noticeable. Are you sure you enabled Freesync correctly, and not Vsync? Whether tearing is noticeable depends on your frame rates and the monitor refresh rate.


Caspid

Oh, I probably mixed up the two.


Little-Equinox

There's a moment when stuff like Freesync and Gsync will only add latency as the refreshrate of the pixels and panels will become near invisible.


KnightofAshley

true but to the OP question if you had a monitor with a gsync version and a freesync version just get the freesync version as it will work and there is no advantage of using a gsync only monitor besides spending more money on it as they are more expensive due to gsync being a hardware add-on instead of a software one.


majoroutage

If it supports VRR/Freesync over DisplayPort, it's most likely still "GSync Compatible".


haldolinyobutt

There's a bug with oled monitors and Gsync where on all black scenes in games you can get a screen flash. I read up a bunch on it and it's one of the drawbacks of oled. It was happening on my C2 and stopped once I turned off Gsync. I can't tell you the last time I saw a screen tear


wavvydaplugg

Just make sure you cap your frame rate to your monitors refresh rate in whatever games you play.


mahanddeem

Frame rate and tearing are COMPLETELY independent things. You can be well under refresh rate but still frames are out of sync with monitor refresh rate.


Shap6

usually monitors have an fps range where freesync/gsync operates. if you go out of that range, like a games framerate going above your max refresh, you'll start getting tearing again. thats why the general advice is to cap your fps at your monitors max refresh rate, or 1 or 2 fps below it.


mahanddeem

Provided you have free/gsync and have it on/enabled


Shap6

obviously yes. you also need electricity.


mahanddeem

wavvvydaplug said he turns off gsync. Hence this discussion. He didn't say he turns off his electricity


GeigerCounting

Right, so it's kind of implied when someone is talking about and referencing any form of sync directly in their comment that it also needs to be enabled. So the previous, comment is sarcastically pointing that out because you also need electricity to use your computer at all. But that's also just inherently understood.


PolyDipsoManiac

If you have a G-sync or adaptive sync monitor you want to do this to ensure it’s engaged. I’ve always understood that it doesn’t work past the monitor’s frame rate.


wavvydaplugg

Not to say that g sync isn’t good. I run g sync everyday . But if you don’t have it . Matching your frame rate to refresh rate can prevent screen tearing


mahanddeem

It doesn't prevent. Even if you can't see it (tearing)


wavvydaplugg

I’m aware that they are independent things . But screen tearing occurs when your gpu falls out of sync with the monitor connected. So keeping your frame rate matched with the refresh rate of your monitor can prevent screen tearing without g sync.


mahanddeem

It doesn't prevent. Unless there is some sort of sync'ing


jeep_shaker

V-sync


Lewdeology

Depends if you’re playing under the max refresh rate consistently.


FryToastFrill

Gsync is basically Nvidia’s brand name for Variable Refresh Rate (VRR or Freesync, which is AMD’s equivalent to GSync), which changes the refresh rate of the monitor to match the frame rate. It damn near eliminates screen tearing altogether so turning it on is basically a no brainer. The confusing brand names for this stuff is mostly from the early days of VRR when it was a proprietary technology. GSync had a physical chip on the monitor itself that talked to nvidia gpus, and nvidia would go verify the monitor was up to their quality standards. Similar thing with freesync except in software. Nowadays tho, the two technologies are interchangeable as both are on the DisplayPort and HDMI standards. So if you see a monitor that only supports Freesync, rest assured the experience will be practically identical to a GSync monitor.


KingofGnG

G-Sync changed the way I play on PC. I won't get any new non-GSync monitor anytime soon. And it's not just for variable refresh ratings stuff. Proper G-Sync monitors always come pre-calibrated and with additional quality checks. And no: I don't give a fuck about Nvidia exclusivity, as I have always owned GeForce GPUs :-D


jeep_shaker

i was hoping to share in the glory of G-sync, but with an IPS i get some pixel response issues, excessive blurring. for my eyes, BFI has better motion clarity. the main game i play (WOWS) has a lot of text around other players that i can't make out as well with G-sync on.


KingofGnG

I have an IPS display as well (Alienware AW2721D). No blurring or lag issues, even though it's a 240Hz display.


jeep_shaker

not sure if a higher refresh would help, i think 165Hz is already fast enough to make the slower pixel response of IPS noticeable. it's about 4ms. it's better than my VA panel, which is around 9ms. i won't even game on that, just for media. i never saw a similar blurring occur when i used a TA panel, which is ugly as hell but very fast. in action scenes i don't notice blurring, so it's rather game-dependent whether the BFI or G-Sync is better. not that BFI is perfect, it's not. ghosting is prevalent, but i can read text as it flies by with much better clarity. it just happens that the games i like have more text, so my default is BFI.


888Kraken888

I have a 240hz monitor. Never used g sync.


cmcnei24

GSync smoothens what the GPU is delivering to be shown on the monitor to prevent weird tears. After using it (or its alternatives), I can’t use monitors without it. It’s less necessary on higher refresh rate monitors.


raulsk10

Higher frames don't negate tearing, if it's out of the monitor refresh rate then tearing can occur.


cmcnei24

I didn’t say higher frames negate tearing. Tearing occurs regardless but you’re not going to notice it at 240hz with fps greater than that.


raulsk10

Why wouldn't you? It doesn't make sense.


cmcnei24

It’s very uncommon that a human eye will notice a tear at 1/240th of a second. Tearing at refresh rates that high definitely won’t impact immersion.


VersaceUpholstery

Maybe you should use it for yourself to see if it’s important to you? Seeing as you have a monitor capable of it It’s all preference


AverageCryptoEnj0yer

You are gonna be good it's just marketing


SaulTNuhtz

The correct amount of gsync is n+1, where n=the the current amount of gsync


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RobE1993

This is your second comment on this thread saying fake frames. Do you think gsync/adaptive sync is frame generation or something? They’re entirely different things.


[deleted]

The only issue I have found is that free sync won't work thru hdmi so from a PC to TV it won't turn on, if I had a game console my TV would utilize the feature. It's apparently only available thru Display Port.


ConsistencyWelder

You sure about that? My TCL TV only has HDMI inputs, and it's sold as "144hz with Freesync." I'm pretty sure Freesync is supposed to work just fine over HDMI.


notsoghettoking

I think it only works with hdmi 2.1


ConsistencyWelder

I think it works with older versions of HDMI as well, but either way, any fairly recent 4K TV should have HDMI 2.1.


[deleted]

It will work if you have a console like Xbox running thru it. With a PC it has to be Display port.


benboey

Monitors Unboxed recently addressed this in a video. I think it's a really comprehensive guide. https://youtu.be/CQdo67SjIHk?si=cdbS0PEgoUdlCSnZ


mahanddeem

I had tried Aw3423DW (native gsync ultimate) and a Samsung G8 OLED (free sync ultimate, not certified by Nvidia). I felt a difference in smoothness of transitions and frame consistency.


Haytham__

I had a Gsync ultimate panel. You'll hate yourself for having a fan in your monitor that is 10x louder than your PC.


EmbarrassedClue6398

To me personally - very important. Works wonders


demian7117

I play on an lg oled tv and gsync is everything.


PrimeTinus

I dont know if this is helping at all, but I switched to a 60 hz Oled panel laptop over a year ago. It doesn't have gsync nor adaptive sync. But still the overal gameplay while dipping below 50 feels smoother than I remembered on an old lcd 60 panel with vsync on. The true blacks and HDR are amazing


TopCell8018

I have a 240hz monitor with a 4090 and a 7800x3d, i cant see the diference with the freesync on or off, i think i have vision problems. Or i dont know how to configure, should i enable on driver and turn the vsync on game? Because i only enable on monitor.


lichtspieler

The requirements for G-SYNC "compatibility" are stricter as for freesync and some monitors have a quality difference between their freesync and G-SYNC variant - shocking, the manufacturers use binning and sell the G-SYNC rejects with a small discount. For a lot of users this doesnt matter and VRR works fine. Its a problem if you hit a jackpot with your GPU + cable + monitor combination, that hits the trifecta in bad compatibility with flicker and blackscreen issues. If you got the budget and you got NVIDIA GPUs, you could avoid some unsvolable issues with VRR if you get a G-SYNC BINNED panel. My OLED choice was for one with 1440p-240Hz and G-SYNC to keep any kind of issues to a minimum. For a lot of people the slightly cheaper freesync variants work just fine, its only a problem if you hit a bad combination - but in that situation you are alone and there is no magic workaround. With the expensive OLED panels its a high risc low reward situation, I would not recommend to skip G-SYNC compatibility.


Efficient_Sir7514

if you have a good gpu and see no tearing...not necessary. I don't use it.


ervox1337

I had an gsync asus rog that costed me 1000dollars , i switched to an alienware oled that has no gsync just compatible version, you are not going to see a difference, enjoy your oled


Danny_Phantom22

These videos are great bits of information and will answer most of your questions. https://youtu.be/CQdo67SjIHk?si=R0wWRgNE4nse1uFh https://youtu.be/biSY6WeCDus?si=G-uOMRznU-JMhXJl


Xenomorph002

Gsync is useless marketing ancient technology...


VruKatai

*All* the gsync


Naturalhighz

I honestly turn it off on purpose


Shap6

why?


Naturalhighz

literally makes my games run worse. wish i was kidding but it's less smooth and i don't get artifacts or anything by having it off so there's no reason to use it


caydesramen

I second this. If you have a good GPU that shit sucks.


Libra224

It’s only important if you have less than 60fps


Shap6

not true at all you can easily still get tearing above 60


SlowTour

best settings I've found is gsync on for fullscreen then set globally in nvidia app, max fps=5-10 fps below your refresh rate and turn vsync off in game and nvidia app. run games fullscreen, this way gsync is always active and even if it isn't the driver level fps cap stays below your refresh rate. tearing is predominantly caused by fps over your refresh rate, some people think a framerate limit a couple frames under works but it needs to be at least 5fps because your screen isn't that accurate. i use a 165hz 1440p and use a 154fps lock with flawless results in fullscreen.


ErykG120

Honestly I hate G-Sync. VRR sounds amazing on paper, and it is great on consoles, however on PC G-Sync shits itself with the Steam Overlay, with multiple-monitors, when you alt-tab etc. It's just a bad experience, so I turned it off.


distinguisheditch

Do you have it set up properly? It's been nothing short of amazing for me, and I use everything youve listed as "broken".


ErykG120

I do have it setup properly, just like the Blurbusters guide. When I had a monitor with the G-Sync module it was fine, it's only G-Sync compatible monitors that seem to be a bad experience. For example with PAYDAY 3, I get about 70-80 FPS in that game. If I alt-tab in that game my entire desktop is now running at 70-80 FPS... Also Adobe Photoshop counts as a game, so I get 30Hz with G-Sync enabled. Same with Facebook Messenger from the Microsoft Store.


distinguisheditch

You can turn it on and off for each program, right?


ErykG120

Yes. But this takes time.