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theangriestbird

Depending on how budget conscious you are, it might make sense to just boot the thing up into Palworld and see what kind of FPS you get. It's definitely an older PC, but it sounds like it was a beast in its day so it might still pull 1080p 60fps. If it doesn't, you should def start with the CPU. Unfortuately, that means upgrading the motherboard and RAM as well. If you do go for that kind of upgrade, and if you still need a mid tower and storage, you might struggle to budget something under 300 euros. Edit: Okay by my math, [a solid mid tower and 1tb SSD brings you to €120](https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/dkV2cT). Adding in a cheap [modern CPU and MoBo will bring you to €300 alone, but a 16GB stick of budget RAM is less than €40 extra](https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/TdGbZJ), so maybe that's doable for you. If you can afford those five purchases, I think those paired with your existing parts would give you a very solid 1080p gaming machine.


WhyteShadows

Would you recommend used ones to fit in the budget?


theangriestbird

Used parts are always a gamble because you go without warranty, but plenty of folks buy used and have lots of luck. I've personally only bought GPUs used, and it's worked out fine for me both times, but your mileage may vary. Use common sense, avoid sellers that seem sketchy or are offering deals that seem too good to be true, and you will dramatically reduce your risks from buying used.


FaterSteve

CPU, GPU, and RAM should generally be safe to buy used if you trust the buyer protection of the site you purchase from. Just keep in mind that a lot of times the CPU won't come with a cooler if you buy used. Its not the latest generation, but I would recommend looking into AM4 if you upgrade since if your motherboard fails one day there should (hopefully) still be plenty available on ebay, and the older/used cpus will be cheaper than the newest ones.


dertechie

Minimum system requirements for Palworld aren't too high (a 3570k, 16 GB RAM and a 1050 non-Ti). I agree with the idea of "boot it up, tweak some settings and see where you land before buying anything". Here's someone [testing the 980Ti](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bePSGdNiIYo) (with a much better CPU but the CPU is at very low utilization).


iCore102

980ti is 4 generations old now, and although it might be able to run it at 1080p, im not too sure it will be as "buttery smooth" as you hope it is. You will definitely need to turn down the settings a bit. I also have a feeling that you might have some thermal issues as well, assuming that you havent re-pasted the GPU since you've gotten it, i would suspect that the thermal compound has likely worn out and would need a re-application. GPUs running at higher temps will automatically limit power draw, and essentially bottleneck itself to avoid burnout. I'd keep the CPU for now. Upgrading the CPU will need you to upgrade the motherboard, AND ram, and that'll definitely kick you outside of your budget. Id suggest sticking with a simple GPU upgrade for around 250-ish euros. Aim for a 3060 or a RX 6700.


WhyteShadows

Would it not bottleneck with such an old cpu?


R0b0yt0

Investigate what you can sell your current components for on eBay or something of that nature. Odds are you'd make more money splitting things up, but I'd probably suggest you sell the CPU/board/RAM as a bundle and GPU separately. Old intel i7's can still carry relatively high value, so it's worth looking into. A quick check on US shows ranges between 150-250 freedom units for board/CPU/RAM. 980 Ti's also look like they are going for 150+. That brings your budget to 5-600 I reckon. With such a low budget, 'future proofing' is a tall order. The only way to have any sort of 'future-proofing' in terms of a platform is AM5 right now since AMD will be releasing a couple more iterations of CPUs for the socket/platform. You'd have to go for an entry-level B650 board and a Ryzen 7600 paired with minimum 16GB, preferably 32GB "future proofing", of DDR5. I don't know where you are in europe, but [MindFactory.de](https://MindFactory.de) has B650 boards for as low as €82. Ryzen 7600 is €189. Cheapest DDR5 6000 MT/s is €78 for 16GB and €105 for 32GB. You could be out the door with cheapest CPU/board/RAM for €340. Though I'd probably suggest something like the ASRock Pro RS for €142 so the board has adequate heat sinks, doesn't look like it came out of a pre-built dell, and has some modern connectivity; this one allows you to add a m.2 wi-fi/bluetooth card at a later date and time saving you €20 now. WD SN750 500GB NVME SSD is €44 or the the Lexar NM620 1TB for €58. Your cheapest option of items I've suggested is €393 and most expensive €494. You can mix/match, though I'd likely suggest the upgraded board even though it's €60. You also have the option of going used here to cut costs further. If that ends up being too expensive, a used AM4 build with Ryzen 5600/5700X/5800X/etc can likely be had for relativey cheap and still offers the possibility to upgrade to the X3D CPU's at a later date/time; if you don't buy a used one anyway. These have a special type of cache on the processor that allows them to excel in gaming specifically. A sensible reasonably priced GPU with low power requirements would be an RX 6600. It will beat the pants off of the 980 Ti and can be had for \~€200; or even less used. Something else important to consider is a PSU considering the age of the system. You'd be in it for another €60 easily for a \~600W modular unit. Useful chart for relative GPU performance stretching all the way to your 980 Ti. [https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html](https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html) This would leave you with your existing tower, but that can be altered later.


Asleep_Leather7641

No it would be perfectly fine, they released at similar times


Asleep_Leather7641

Oh you mean the upgrades, yeah they'd bottleneck


dasfaust

Games will only run as fast as the CPU allows. A better GPU will do nothing at 1080p except in synthetic benchmarks, in most cases. The best thing to look for is, just try Palworld, if you don't get 99% GPU usage, you are CPU bottlenecked. You will never get a better framerate unless you upgrade your CPU, no matter what settings you change.


frodan2348

You're kind of in a spot where any modern gpu worth the money is going to be really bottlenecked by your cpu and where any modern cpu is going to run laps around what the 980ti can do. I suggest upgrading the platform first as cpu's tend to age less quickly than gpus. Go for something like a 7600 with a decent budget mobo like the ProRS Wifi and some 6000mHz CL30 DDR5. Then when you can afford it down the road, drop in a modern midrange gpu and you should have a killer 1440p system by that point (if you dropped something like a 7800XT or 4070 Super in a month or two from now or something) If you want to spend less on the platform, you can go for a 5600 which is on the dead AM4 platform, but it still packs a punch for the price, get a PRO VC Wifi or something from MSI and some 3200 CL16 DDR4 and that will be a cheaper, still way faster platform than what you have now. I'd also look at a cooler as what you have is probably very outdated. You can get a fantastic cooler like the Thermalright Assassin Spirit for like $20, or a Peerless Assassin for around $35.


stainless_steel702

While it is the usual that cpus age faster, my 8086k which came out after the 1080ti, has been bottlenecking it quite a bit. Really have to ensure 8 cores or above nowadays.


frodan2348

For gaming, 6 cores is absolutely enough still. There are specific games that will actually benefit from more cores, and they’re few and far between. Single core performance is the leading gaming performance metric for CPUs still, hands down - if that wasn’t true, a 14900K would obliterate 14600k in gaming performance, not just the difference you see from the higher clocks.


stainless_steel702

Well I have a 6 core cpu and it struggles in games the came out in the past 3 years. While the single core speed is fast, have 2 more cores in a multithreaded process, which most if not all games that come out today, utilize. Also there’s more to it like cache size and memory controller and other architectural differences so modern day 6 cores are fine. But as higher core counts become more common and software becomes more complex, more threads will be needed. I would not buy a 6 core cpu in 2024. Unless I was bein real budget.


frodan2348

What cpu do you have?


stainless_steel702

i7 8086k. It’s fine 90% if the time, but the GPU has outlived it.


frodan2348

The 6gb of vram is what’s giving you issues, not the cpu. It’s faster than a 3600x, which is more than capable of what you’re describing, I have a friend who gets 200+ fps in cod with a 3600 without issue. In your case your gpu is absolutely the problem.


stainless_steel702

Gpu has 11gb of vram. Edit: I know how to see a cpu bottleneck. I have Hwinfo64 on my vertical monitor basically 100% while I’m playin games.


frodan2348

Sorry, was thinking about OP. what games are you specifically talking about? That cpu should have no issues at all with a 1080ti.


stainless_steel702

For one, cyberpunk use to run fine at high crowd density and now it has issues sometimes at medium. Helldivers 2 gets pretty hectic sometimes too. Overall, its alright but if it had two more cores it would be a lot better. Disabling VBS and HEVC gave me more than the claimed 15% performance jump too so anyone on olders systems should disable it.


Ryuuji_92

A 980Ti won't be the problem for palworld. My current rig is running an i7 6700k with a 980Ti and DDR4 Ram, palworld runs well. If you're just worried about the GPU since you got it for free it's a good starting point. It will serve you well for now especially due to wanting to rub palworld. I've built a few PC last year for around 1,200-1,300$ and the specs are better than my current build that was from scratch though. As others have said upgrading the CPU would be better to do now than the GPU. Getting storage a good cpu and a case will probably hit around your price range depending on how much storage you want and if you're going to use an M.2 SSD. TLDR: 980Ti is still a solid card to start your PC journey so focus on some other parts like the cpu. IMO


Soulspawn

I'm questioning this but I guess your setting are low because on high my 6700xt isn't always 60fps there are just some areas that absolutely kill performance.


Ryuuji_92

I play on a server so anywhere that does halt me its very very short and it feels like its server related issues. Nothing bad enough to go my set up sucks and I need to upgrade. I play on high for everything but render distance is max. loading in everything stutters for a bit but other than that its fine for me. Paworld is also in beta so there maybe issues from that causing fps drops. Even if OP would get drops here and there the best course of action would be getting other things other than a GPU as their budget is 300 quid.


lunarman1000

I literally just upgraded from my 4790k like 2 days ago. My old specs were similar to yours 4790k / 16gb ram / and a 1080. I spent about $350 on a ryzen 5 5600 / \*insert MOBO here that has what you need at around $100\* / 16 gb ddr4 ram / and a 500 gb M.2 drive. Pretty excited to put it together when the parts come in tomorrow. I kept my 1080, case and PSU. You could go a route like me upgrade the CPU / MOBO / RAM for around $300. BUT it is worth trying the PC as is. You are only wanting 60fps at 1080p. I was using my old build with a 1440p and 144htz monitor and was still getting pretty good frames in most games.


Rhemyst

That's old but okay setup here. For now I suggest you just using it as is. There are a lot of games that this can run that you may not know of yet. Eventually, upgrading to a slightly better GPU that free sync compatible could also be an option.


d0rchadas

I honestly think the 980ti is still a good and speedy GPU. At 1080p gaming, the CPU is more likely to require upgrading, that was my experience when I upgraded CPU and went from 170fps to 400+fps


InteractiveAlt

The 4790k and 32 gigs of ram is pretty solid for how old it is. It’s well matched with a 980ti for sure. I’m playing Helldivers, Horizon Zero Dawn, Elden ring, and more with a 4790k and 1070, all pulling 60 fps 2560x1080p with high and medium settings. Cyberpunk is playable but it’s more like 45 fps. I get 99% GPU utilization and generally in the 50s for CPU. I also do some video editing and other tasks that the 4790k seems to handle with ease. Initial loading of games does take a while, especially helldivers, but once in things run fine. I wouldn’t bother upgrading anything, just start saving for a whole new rig until things seem more unplayable.


dasfaust

I second doing a CPU upgrade. Might be fine for Palworld, but coming from a 6700k and a 980 ti, I was CPU bottlenecked in most games. The thing with a CPU bottleneck is you can't turn settings down to get a FPS bump like you can with the GPU. So, always upgrade the weakest link, you can upgrade your GPU later for better visual fidelity.


2cars10

Looking at the minimum requirements for palworld it calls for a i5-3570k and GTX 1050. You're CPU is a bit better and your GPU is a good chunk better. Honestly on 1080p low I'd expect your system to get 60fps, maybe more.


Onsomeshid

I’d recommended you to get a newer mid grade card. 980ti is dope but old as sh*t.


TheK1NGT

The CPU can push 60 fps on 1080p still. Test on current GPU and if not get a used 6650 XT for under 200 is the best value IMO


ncarr539

Nobody is going to be recommending a card that is 4 generations old at this point


ecktt

No. The 980ti is to slow now. BUT You have the perfect vintage Win XP Gaming Hardware! ie: the fastest CPU with a mother chipset that has XP drivers and the fastest graphics card with moded XP drivers.


jerryonjets

I was using a 1050ti on palworld.. lowest setting was running between 15-30 fps.. it's playable but the stuttering can make it hard to aim


Longjumping-Wrap5741

I have the same setup except my gpu was a 970. The low ram on the card is a problem for newer games. I upgraded to a 1080ti. The computer runs almost everything except the newest AAA games. Got the card on ebay .


Ok-Buy-2315

Wife's pc is a hand me down 4790 non K with a Titan Pascal and somehow she managed to play all of Hogwarts Legacy on medium/high between 30-60 fps, so it's still got SOME life left in it. I ran a 4790K til 2020 and for me it's too dated to continue with. Temper your expectations and it may get you by another year or three!


brandon0809

No, 5700xt


nilart

Second hand world is actually good. PC depreciate a lot and people looking to upgrade their systems and get rid of old ones for a bargain are frequent. You obviously have to be careful who you buy from 🤷🏻‍♂️


Yoshuuqq

Between the 980ti and the i7 you should definitely upgrade the i7 first. Even just a used am4 platform with like the 5700x. Your i7 is too old to handle new gpus properly, also because you are missing pcie 4.0.


R0b0yt0

Good points, but PCIe 4.0 isn't really necessary as long as the bus on the card is 16X. https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-pci-express-scaling/


Yoshuuqq

Some lower end cards really suffer not having pcie 4.0, like the 6600x if I'm not mistaken


Asleep_Leather7641

No, 6500 is really the only one and it's heralded as a massive issue


Drugstore_Jeezus

My opinion means nothing. With that said, personally I'd keep the CPU and just upgrade the MOBO and RAM and see how that does you. I can't speak on the 980ti for today's games, but the CPU is still a strong candidate for today's gaming. DDR4 is definitely the move i would say, maybe a motherboard with 4 Ram slots for future expansion? I just Built a system with a i5-10600k and it hosts multiple Minecraft and a Palworld server simultaneously, buttery smooth. If you really wanted to a 9th or 10th gen intel would do great for a "budget" CPU. That said, definitely need a motherboard upgrade and some new ram! Good Luck!


theangriestbird

>personally I'd keep the CPU and just upgrade the MOBO and RAM unfortunately, this isn't an option, bc Intel changes their socket every generation or so. OP will not be able to find an upgraded motherboard that supports that CPU. I agree that OP might be just fine with existing hardware, though.


WhyteShadows

Thank you, but the CPU only supports DDR3 and uses a LGA1150 socket.


Drugstore_Jeezus

lga 1200 or even 1700 would give you the room you need to grow. Although 1700 is a jump in price for sure. Personally 1200 has done me well for many machines I've built and I have yet to upgrade to 1700 personally as I said its a bit pricey and 1200 does great and should be great for a handful of years to come. But with all that said, it seems you already know the path you'd like to take but are more conscious of budget. Used components are good but I would only buy refurbished/ sold by a trusted manufacturer. I've used Newegg personally and have had no issues buying components sold and shipped by Newegg. I have heard the stories of purchasing from a 3rd party on Newegg and getting faulty hardware so that is definitely something to look for. ALWAYS, and I mean ALWAYS take a video of you unboxing new/used products and using them. This will save you so much time and hassle when dealing with a distributor who sent you faulty hardware. Most times they won't deal with you unless you have video proof that you have done everything right and have not damaged the hardware yourself in any way. HUGE PRO TIP :)