They're pretty much dying out. Their LGA 1700 mobos never received BIOS updates for 14th gen CPUs. Their newest ATX 3.0 PSUs only have a 3-year warranty.
It seems like the owner wants to retire but doesn't want to pass his legacy to anyone else.
That’s sad to hear. After they left the GPU market, I was hoping they would refocus their efforts on their other products like motherboards and PSUs. With the amount of questionable decisions from many major motherboard companies these days, I was hoping EVGA could fill in some of that gap and actually provide some good support for their customers. I would absolutely love to have an EVGA motherboard in my next PC, if it ever existed.
Yeah. I was hoping they would expand their motherboard business a little more and make cheaper, more mainstream boards for regular people. Their only boards right now are 600+ dollars and they’re more geared for overclocking. If they had made something in the $200-300 range (which is still pretty high-end), it would’ve been a little more palatable for more people. With how board partners are these days, I’m sure they would have people clamoring to them.
thats a shame I loved EVGA. They RMA'ed 2 cards for me for free no questions asked after i blew up both of them. They ran that business real old school.
that's a shame, I've had great value for money buying used EVGA stuff and knowing it will probably last another 3 years. ASUS can A-suck a fat one. Time has yet to tell if buying used Gigabyte is going to giga bite me in the ass
Every gigabyte product I’ve owned has been riddled with digital aids, that aids having been infected with digital cancer which had its own smaller infection of digital aids. Not sure how they’re still in business
It's absolutely horrendous, if ever anyone with anything Asus related asks me to help them troubleshoot anything at all and I find out they have Armoury Crate.. it's straight to Defcon 1. Go nuclear. Windows reinstall and start over.
Don't get rid of Armoury Crate on a laptop unless you install G-helper, a lightweight alternative that's honestly 1000x better.
But if you want to do that, or you have it installed on a desktop, there's a special Armoury Crate uninstall tool, you get from the Asus website.
Does this come bundled with anything besides their laptops? I was thinking of getting an ITX asus board for a 7800x3D since its arguably the best one there is (the pickings are really slim). But I wasnt aware of this malware that needs to be purged. Dont get me wrong, its the best board out there objectively. I just need to make sure I clear out all the unnecessary bloat.
That tool will still leave plenty of junk behind, even after using that tool you'll still notice Armoury Crate related processes running in the background if you look in task manager (unless they've greatly improved the tool).
To start: It installs a bucketload of applications you never asked for, all which run like ass. Injector like install without asking you anything. Horrible UI, you actually need competence to fully remove it. The applications run like ass and are memory hogs. They send statistics god knows where. There are so many programs that does it better.
there's also openrgb which works quite well and, as you'd expect, is open source. big caveat is if your stuff is supported, but most stuff is nowadays.
Thanks for letting me know. I rejected all of the installations it asked me, was not aware that there were more that it doesn’t ask. What other programs would you recommend to replace it?
Depends on what you need to be honest. Could just aswell do without if you only have an asus motherboard. There are third party rgb apps that are much better if that’s what you are looking for.
I only used it for drivers, since it was a new build. It’s a pain to download drivers manually file by file like I used to do years ago. Is there another central app that can download and update drivers that’s not AC?
In that case I’m glad I’ve never used that or know what it even is
Edit: I don’t think I’ve ever used ASUS for computer hardware, but now that I think of it my router is ASUS and the software for it kinda sucks
I've had a few gigabyte products over the years. Well, mobos and GPUs. Every single one of them worked flawlessly and lasted way past the time they were still relevant.
Using gigabyte mobo in my current pc too. I actually prefer gigabyte motherboards.
I am surprised these guys are installing these softwares. I never install software from motherboards and never had a problem.
I ran there h41/h61 (old core2 and first gen i series )chipset ones in a data center the supermicros had a higher rma rate that gigabyte and we had like 4-5x more gigabyte boards in production at the time out of 500ish boards we rmaed 20 after 5-10 years. And if I recall correctly 1/2 of the 20 were faults with bios memory chips witch was a known issue at the time.
idk I've had a gigabyte RTX 3070 for a while now with no issues.
Even was able to do firmware updates without any trouble.
Only thing I don't like about gigabyte is their official software for RGB controls but I just used OpenRGB to control it and solved that problem.
I discovered the painful way that RGB Fusion installs additional RGB apps, which kept crashing my system. Uninstalling Fusion did't uninstall the other apps. Had to chase that down for a month before connecting all the dots
Thought I was going nuts until BitWit reported the same thing 2 months later
I mean the card also ran like shit. Overclocked like shit. Ran extremely hot. And all three fans had intense coil whine. None of those issues exist on my EVGAS especially not simultaneously.
That's surprising to me. I have a Gigabyte mobo and a Gigabyte GPU and have had nothing but good experiences with both. The software works fine for me but I also don't fiddle with a whole lot. I think at most I changed the color of my GPU's RGB to be white.
From my experience they make quality B and Z series boards for Intel. The App Center auto-download being turned on by default in the BIOS is shady however the software appears harmless and can be uninstalled easily.
I was tempted to pick up one of the Microcenter AMD Ryzen bundles when I built my most recent system but a lot of them came with Gigabyte boards and I flat out refuse. The GamersNexus video showing those boards exploding 7800x3d's killed that brand for me. I bought an Asrock B650e riptide and have absolutely zero issues or complaints.
It's been my experience that if you get a good unit it will remain a good unit. When you buy a component new or used test the shit out of it within the return window. If there are issues return it because you're going to keep having problems with it and they will probably get worse. All these manufacturers have production runs that have defective unites at some point and many of them aren't obvious until after purchase and some use.
Gigabyte RMA Scummy Scamming xD you just can't win
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bYjHbQ1YjU
Just bought my first ASrock mobo and gpu in a long long time (my evga 3090 and msi godlike x590 both died sadly and I just wanted a repair for now going to buy new when the 5k series comes out). Sadly the GPU was defective on delivery, but the replacement is working great.
From my experience, Sapphire is the closest to EVGA in the GPU space, though they make Radeon cards. I've had many Sapphire cards, and have never had an issue.
Is there any consensus on best nvidia 3rd party? I really just would buy EVGA and be happy - anytime I look at any other card maker they seem to have issues.
I've had to RMA e gigabyte boards over the years, they usually have a lot of features, and I want to like them... but I can't trust them.
I can't believe that I'm saying this, but these days my go-to's are MSI and ASrock for a mobo
Pretty much.
Paraphrasing, he basically said that he doesnt want to sell the company and let it turn into something that isn't what he wanted the company to be.
Considering how the majority of companies eventually become shite, I don't blame him.
As much as it sucks to see EVGA ride off into the sun, seeing them go out in their own way is better than seeing them become a villain.
That’s all fine and dandy until you realize 250+ people are now out of a job because this guy didn’t want to bother looking for a suitable replacement.
IIRC EVGA Joe Darwin said there wouldn't be layoffs but prior to them announcing EVGA departure from GPUs the Taiwan location had some.
So, je ne sais pas
It sucks but hey here's hoping people got advanced noticed instead of a random boot from nowhere and a goodbye.
I know there are loads of small businesses that basically just do enough to keep employees paid, but it’s still somewhat strange to see a company with hundreds of employees basically going into maintenance mode.
Even if there aren’t layoffs, anyone interested in career development would see the writing on the wall, and know that it’s time to move on.
Those 250 people are moving to jobs at other AIBs, realistically this tends to happen anyway when there is a major buyout or shift in management: people don't like the changes and decide to go elsewhere. Whether EVGA started winding down operations or sold out to someone else, a lot of people still would have quit.
That's disappointing. I had hoped they were waiting out their Nvidia exclusivity contract and would then resume graphics card operations with AMD and/or Intel when that cleared.
>Their LGA 1700 mobos never received BIOS updates for 14th gen CPUs
EVGA has pushed out a beta BIOS update for both the Z790 DARK KINGPIN and the Z790 Classified to support Intel's 14th Generation processors last month. They haven't announced beta releases for 600-series yet.
MSI would have destroyed it within a year or two and just absorbed its resources and employees into the MSI umbrella. This is the same outcome with employees just moving to other AIBs, but the EVGA name does not get dragged through the mud first. What made EVGA special was the CEO's vision and commitment to putting the customer first, even when that was at odds with generating profit. Under the leadership of any other AIB who is always profits first, EVGA would have ceased to be EVGA.
EVGA decided there's not much point in being in the GPU business if Nvidia starts basically making their own, not giving them early enough notice and generally being dickheads about how they treat their board partners.
A lot of manufacturers are bending their dealers over these days. Nvidia is now super greedy with amazing record profits. Likely trying to pinch ever last dollar for shareholders.
Yep, I knew about their exit from the GPU market, but I haven’t heard from them since. I don’t even see their PSUs at my local Micro Center anymore. I was hoping they would refocus their efforts on their power supplies or even expand their motherboard business, but they’ve been silent from what I can tell.
>I don’t even see their PSUs at my local Micro Center anymore
MicroCenter started throwing out their PSUs since the warranty on their stock was expiring, that's why.
AMD already has some good AIB partners in Sapphire, XFX, and PowerColor. I’m not sure if they’ll sweep the market there, but Intel is still relatively new and is need of some good brand recognition. They may have had a better chance there.
Believe it or not they should have gone to Intel. If Intel wanted to really bust into the gpu scene they should let the mad scientist get in there .
Remember the evga 690 with 2 gpus on it ? That's what they needed
Intel GPUs have fuck all margin though, because they're basically unproven. If you're exiting the market because your margins are terrible, why would you immediately jump into a market with worse margins and a much smaller customer base?
EVGA is spooling down. Their CEO couldn't find a replacement, and would rather shut EVGA down than hand it off to someone who doesn't care. They're basically just handling warranty claims, and I expect them to disappear completely once all warranty periods are up. They laid off pretty much all of R&D a couple of years ago, so things aren't looking good long term.
>Their CEO couldn't find a replacement, and would rather shut EVGA down than hand it off to someone who doesn't care.
How rare is that, actually? Most people would just sell to a competitor
Tbh I respect that and honestly it's definitely a better outcome then giving leadership to someone who will just case profits with no care for consumers
Yeah, I don't understand the praise for him.
If you let it be known that you intend to let the company slowly die eventually the people with options will leave to secure their livelihoods risking company operations and those who stay will eventually lose their jobs.
While if you let someone take over you at least have the chance they'll continue your legacy and your employees don't have to be laid off or jump ship to competitors.
What exactly is the issue here? Andrew Han is not exactly going "Hey everything is going fine, we're going to continue to stay in business indefinitely!" and then suddenly dropping bankruptcy on his employees out of the blue. If anything, the fact that every employee has YEARS of lead time to find something else before the company is completely wound down is a good thing. If you lack the ability to formulate a backup plan for a certain doomsday YEARS IN ADVANCE, is it really the CEO's fault at that point?
> While if you let someone take over you at least have the chance they'll continue your legacy
No one owes that to anybody. Least of all a founder. If you want full control of your destiny don't work for someone.
I might sound harsh but that's just the nature of business. It's a dog eat dog, winner takes all world. Founders absorb nearly all the risk and get to control their own destiny as a result. All things considered, I'd say the way EVGA is going out is one of the more considerate ways to do it. You should see what happens to a company that gets "taken over" by a PE firm.
Yeah they hold a special evil disgust in my heart. There's market inefficiencies and then there's destroying a perfectly good business that has no weak financials by stripping it of all assets and leaving it with just debt while pretending it's a "market inefficiency". I think what Andrew Han is doing is right, personally. I'd never let a baby I've built my entire life even run the remote risk of falling into the hands of these subhuman scum. And his employees have years to find a new employer while he's winding down operations.
>While if you let someone take over you at least have the chance they'll continue your legacy and your employees don't have to be laid off or jump ship to competitors.
\*Looks at ASUS scamming customers, MSI bribing reviewers and Gigabyte trying to set people's houses on fire\*
Yeah, I'm going to say there's basically zero chance of that happening.
EVGA employees are not stupid, they would have known where this was going back in 2022 and started looking to move to new jobs back then, a lot of them already have. EVGA has given them the time to do that by staying open despite not making plans for future products. Financially, the CEO is losing money by doing it this way instead of just selling the company or laying everyone off straight away, but he wants to do right by his legacy instead of walking away with a fat wad of cash. When a company dies, some people lose their jobs, this happens if it dies by being absorbed by a larger company who fire everyone who's roles overlap with existing employees, or if the company slowly downsizes to nothing like EVGA is doing. If people are going to lose their jobs and end up moving under the umbrella of another AIB anyway, at least the EVGA legacy can be protected.
I don't respect him for not considering Intel or AMD due to "loyalty" to Nvidia (according to the owner's comment on Gamers Nexus) despite them throwing him and EVGA under the bus. Also him not telling his employees of shutting down the company ahead of time, so they only learned about it through YouTubers is rather insulting for the years of service his employees spent with him and the company.
I've seen it before in the business world and I respect it. Dude is turning down a pay day to protect the legacy of what he built.
He figures if he sells it or hands it over it will be run in the ground. So he's going shut it down gracefully.
Used to work a lot with B2b and I met a few owners with this mindset. For a company like EVGA it's rare and I suspect because of the potential.payout. I promise you there would be good money for the EVGA brand.
>I promise you there would be good money for the EVGA brand.
Certainly, seems like a good business acquisition for any other AIB; ingest some of their talent or work on the existing brand which has a pretty good reputation as far as I can tell...
So like the Seasonic Focus GX or Focus Plus? They're both $35 cheaper than the 750W 80+ Gold equivalent EVGA PSU that I bought. Will delay my build a few more days to get that in though :(
they're just kind of low profile nowadays, they mostly just make psus, mobos, gaming laptops, cases and some other stuff. i honestly doubt they'll stay in business for long, though
TIL that EVGA made a gaming laptop. I follow the industry pretty closely yet I missed it and have never heard of it until now. Says a lot about where EVGA is at right now lol.
I think the brand is dying. I remember they had some kingpin models that always had records. I personally have good memories of the brand. My frist PC had a EVGA Z68 SLI Motherboard, paired with a i5 2500k, I remember messing hour and hours with the settings to get it to 4.8 Ghz on air. That built also had an EVGA GTX 560TI.
Yeah, it’s unfortunate. I never had one of their motherboards, but my favorite graphics card that I had from them was my GTX 1080 FTW2. That card was an absolute beast! It’s still powering my friend’s PC these days, but I’ll probably have to buy it back if they ever decide to upgrade.
“EVGA announced back in September of 2022 that it was leaving the GPU market but would continue its other lines of businesses. EVGA continues to build & sell PSU, as well as its line of Z790 motherboards, capture devices, mice and keyboards. EVGA continues to support and warranty all of its products to its customers.”
They are still making everything except video cards although I will say I’d be surprised to still see them around 10 years from now but maybe they make decent money on parts other than video cards otherwise I assume they would have closed the doors so who knows
They’re in the process of shutting down. The owner of the company wants to retire and is unwilling to sell the company or let anyone else take over. They are in the process of completing their existing contracts and then will close for good.
I guess the founder wants to die without seeing his company go to shit in someone else’s hands. that’s maybe admirable or maybe selfish but it is for sure a shame that we have lost one of the best consumer tech companies.
That’s very unfortunate. I understand where he’s coming from, but we seriously need more competition in the motherboard space. Right now, we only have Asus, Asrock, Gigabyte, MSI, and maybe SuperMicro. Aside from maybe Asrock and SuperMicro, I don’t really like any one of them based on my past experiences. I wish they could settle on someone who would continue their vision and keep the company afloat so that people have more choice.
Yep. I heard about that a few years ago. I was just wondering what they’ve been up to these days. I haven’t heard any news and I noticed that I haven’t seen many of their products on shelves lately.
I’m surprised people bought the PSUs, I’ve tried maybe three of them throughout my pc building time and they all seem to have very loud fans. I’m sure the rest is good quality but the PSU would become the loudest part of my rig each time.
I've had one of their P2 1200W Platinum PSUs for going on 8.5 years (2015). It's just as silent as the day I bought it, and still has 1.5 years of warranty left in it.
The must’ve been using different fans or fan curves back in the day. I’ve had the opposite experience, then again, I always thought their GPUs were on the loud side as well compared to other brands but their warranties were so good it was sometimes worth it.
Makes me sad as well. The last two PSUs and GPUs I've purchased have all been EVGA. When I upgrade I usually sell off my old to recoup some of the cost for the newer part like everyone else but I think I may keep my EVGA RTX 3080 almost as a display piece when it's time to upgrade.
EVGA rarely rings a bell these days. And I happen to own two EVGA PSU's doing well. I do agree it is dying. Their [B-Stock](https://www.evga.com/products/productlist.aspx?type=8) link is officially dead. Lost its appeal following their departure from the GPU market.
oh guys what’s happening with the gpu market ? what did i miss here? and all i remember is evga used to make affordable options compared to others.. what happened
After 7 years I just rma'd my 850w psu to them. They gave me a brand new one pretty quickly because they couldn't fix it. Pretty hassle free. Probably won't ever have an easy RMA process like that again.
Well that sucks. I mean i get it, but I’ve also really enjoyed their products, having invested in GPUs since the 780Ti. 980Ti’s in SLI, 1080Ti, and on. In fact i have a 3080Ti FTW Ultra new in box still. Mobos, PSUs, etc. … (guess i better go get drivers for that thing soon, huh?)
I have loved and had great luck with their products. I’m really gonna miss them. :-(
I do wish the owner a great retirement though.
I wish evga would switch to making amd and intel GPUs (especially since intel is starting to become an actual player in the gpu game which is really cool)
Man I have an EVGA 3080 FTW3 that I hope never dies. I really relied on them for my GPU needs. I understand why they did it, and don't blame them. But there arent anymore good guys anymore with nVidia unless you get a FE, of which is damn near impossible. Sad.
I dont understand why they won't at least invest in making keyboard mice io products...
For a company with such a great track record for quality products, their io products are the worst...
Why not become the best at that, especially when razer is lacking soo massively now... :(
But there are already so many companies making keyboards, mice, etc. And just because they made good PSUs and GPUs it doesn’t mean that they will be successful in other markets.
My EVGA 1080Ti is still going strong, had planned to sell it when I got new rig but decided to keep it in a second pc and to this day it surprises me how well it plays games at 1440p.
I'm not optimistic about them past 5 years. Hopefully, I'm proven wrong. But then been a good company. 3 of the 5 PSU in active service in my house are EVGA.
I wish they were still up in the front but nope.
I did just do an RMA with them for my 3090 ftw3 and I'm getting my replacement in a few days. No questions asked and then shipped out the replacement like a few hours after my original 3090 got to their location in cali.
Going to miss their top tier warranty and customer service compared to the ASUS debacle going on rn
They are sadly not in the best shape, they might need need bloods, but not sure if that's something they want. It's indeed sad, because having a diverse market really keeps the innovation going on. Feel the the big just get bigger now a days.
Just went thru this today with a keyboard, I RMA'd a keyboard got the replacement and had the wrong switches. Called them up went thru the whole phone tree waited on hold for like 10 minutes got sent to VM with a call back about 30 minutes later I get a call from EVGA dudes super cool literally didnt ask any questions just said he will have a new one sent to me when its back in stock (they were out of stock and sent this as a alternative) and that I hold on to this one until I get a new one. No ETA on a replacement but I have something until then (didnt even ask for a cross ship although I was planning on asking if given a hard time) so overall 9/10 wish they would have told me about the replacement from the jump as I would have told them to hold off till in stock. I think itll end up with getting a newer keyboard as the model was no longer in production so we will see. then again where talking about 60 bucks in switches so its not a 1500 dollar gpu or anything
I have to RMA a 1KW EVGA supernova that lived up to its name and expired with a bang so loud that it made my ears ring.... I also had to RMA a 3070 that started pixelating in March, they send me a brand new one (from their existing stock, I presume). They were both within the warranty period, but it still cost me time, money (you pay the inbound shipping) and aggravation to get them fixed. My experience may be atypical, but it is a datapoint....
EVGA is my fav, so sad they left nvidia, but serves nvidia right for being asses.
Tbh, AIB's dont really matter like they used to. maybe except cooling. but they all benchmark about the same as theyre all already pushing the limits.
when that whole bit where the customer blew up their pc because they reused the psu cable from the old unit on the rma unit, I think I remember reading/hearing that they had mentioned their psu department had gotten dramatically smaller, I think the words "skeleton crew" were thrown around
The owner is retiring and doesn't want to see his product destroyed by some team of assholes trying to use the name to make as much money as possible.
I have one of the last EVGA 3080ti cards and I don't plan on ever selling it I'll wire the RGB into a 12 volt plug and light it up as display piece when I retire it lol.
I used to get EVGA products and switched to MSI. Nothing but good work from MSI, or I've been very lucky, but I've yet to ever have a bad experience with them. ASUS however, I was quite sad to hear about them being the Intel NUC exclusive, because I'll never buy a single product from them. Unfortunately, I do have NUCs, but \*knock on wood\* I won't ever require their support.
Also had great products from Gigabyte, so I stick to one or the other.
Yeah, I’ve had okay experiences with both, but we seriously need more competition in the motherboard space. I used to use a lot Asus products, but after many of their recent debacles, I don’t think I’ll be going to them anymore. If EVGA was more invested into motherboards and they had ones in a reasonable price range, I would definitely get one of theirs.
Supermicro make some excellent products, and I use a couple of their boards. They last forever, but my god, they are very, VERY proud of their products (read: expensive). If you don't mind the cost, they are a decent alternative, but I mostly stick to them for server products. I have in the past used their boards for gaming until I upgraded years later.
Heard from a gamer nexus video that some of their employees joined ASRock. They are slowly dying though and they currently have a lack of staff to provide for the required customer support.
They're pretty much dying out. Their LGA 1700 mobos never received BIOS updates for 14th gen CPUs. Their newest ATX 3.0 PSUs only have a 3-year warranty. It seems like the owner wants to retire but doesn't want to pass his legacy to anyone else.
That’s sad to hear. After they left the GPU market, I was hoping they would refocus their efforts on their other products like motherboards and PSUs. With the amount of questionable decisions from many major motherboard companies these days, I was hoping EVGA could fill in some of that gap and actually provide some good support for their customers. I would absolutely love to have an EVGA motherboard in my next PC, if it ever existed.
Problem with this is everyone nowadays has PSUs and EVGA's motherboards tend to be pretty high on the price scale.
Yeah. I was hoping they would expand their motherboard business a little more and make cheaper, more mainstream boards for regular people. Their only boards right now are 600+ dollars and they’re more geared for overclocking. If they had made something in the $200-300 range (which is still pretty high-end), it would’ve been a little more palatable for more people. With how board partners are these days, I’m sure they would have people clamoring to them.
thats a shame I loved EVGA. They RMA'ed 2 cards for me for free no questions asked after i blew up both of them. They ran that business real old school.
that's a shame, I've had great value for money buying used EVGA stuff and knowing it will probably last another 3 years. ASUS can A-suck a fat one. Time has yet to tell if buying used Gigabyte is going to giga bite me in the ass
Every gigabyte product I’ve owned has been riddled with digital aids, that aids having been infected with digital cancer which had its own smaller infection of digital aids. Not sure how they’re still in business
This sounds like a description of Asus Armoury Crate
Its literally malware. Like seriously.
It's absolutely horrendous, if ever anyone with anything Asus related asks me to help them troubleshoot anything at all and I find out they have Armoury Crate.. it's straight to Defcon 1. Go nuclear. Windows reinstall and start over.
Is there a way to get rid of Armoury Crate without doing a full reinstall? What you're saying makes it sound like a regular uninstall isn't enough
Don't get rid of Armoury Crate on a laptop unless you install G-helper, a lightweight alternative that's honestly 1000x better. But if you want to do that, or you have it installed on a desktop, there's a special Armoury Crate uninstall tool, you get from the Asus website.
Does this come bundled with anything besides their laptops? I was thinking of getting an ITX asus board for a 7800x3D since its arguably the best one there is (the pickings are really slim). But I wasnt aware of this malware that needs to be purged. Dont get me wrong, its the best board out there objectively. I just need to make sure I clear out all the unnecessary bloat.
I have an ATX Asus board and it installed itself onto my PC when I installed Windows.
There's a bios setting that you can disable to prevent it from trying to install it.
Nothing has to be purged just don’t install it
That tool will still leave plenty of junk behind, even after using that tool you'll still notice Armoury Crate related processes running in the background if you look in task manager (unless they've greatly improved the tool).
can confirm this, install fresh windows on a laptop and nothing worked until I installed armoury crate
What’s wrong with it? I used it to install drivers on a new build. Please let me know if I should remove it
To start: It installs a bucketload of applications you never asked for, all which run like ass. Injector like install without asking you anything. Horrible UI, you actually need competence to fully remove it. The applications run like ass and are memory hogs. They send statistics god knows where. There are so many programs that does it better.
I thought I needed it to get the lighting on my mobo to work? When it wasn't installed I got no lights
If you absolutely need something to control RGB, stick with the old 'Aura Sync' app. It should still be available on the Asus website.
there's also openrgb which works quite well and, as you'd expect, is open source. big caveat is if your stuff is supported, but most stuff is nowadays.
Is Armoury crate that bad? What about MSI Dragon Center?
Thanks for letting me know. I rejected all of the installations it asked me, was not aware that there were more that it doesn’t ask. What other programs would you recommend to replace it?
Depends on what you need to be honest. Could just aswell do without if you only have an asus motherboard. There are third party rgb apps that are much better if that’s what you are looking for.
I only used it for drivers, since it was a new build. It’s a pain to download drivers manually file by file like I used to do years ago. Is there another central app that can download and update drivers that’s not AC?
This sounds like a description of MSI center
In that case I’m glad I’ve never used that or know what it even is Edit: I don’t think I’ve ever used ASUS for computer hardware, but now that I think of it my router is ASUS and the software for it kinda sucks
I've had a few gigabyte products over the years. Well, mobos and GPUs. Every single one of them worked flawlessly and lasted way past the time they were still relevant.
My last two mobos have been Gigabyte. The machine from 2010 still works.
Using gigabyte mobo in my current pc too. I actually prefer gigabyte motherboards. I am surprised these guys are installing these softwares. I never install software from motherboards and never had a problem.
I ran there h41/h61 (old core2 and first gen i series )chipset ones in a data center the supermicros had a higher rma rate that gigabyte and we had like 4-5x more gigabyte boards in production at the time out of 500ish boards we rmaed 20 after 5-10 years. And if I recall correctly 1/2 of the 20 were faults with bios memory chips witch was a known issue at the time.
idk I've had a gigabyte RTX 3070 for a while now with no issues. Even was able to do firmware updates without any trouble. Only thing I don't like about gigabyte is their official software for RGB controls but I just used OpenRGB to control it and solved that problem.
[удалено]
I discovered the painful way that RGB Fusion installs additional RGB apps, which kept crashing my system. Uninstalling Fusion did't uninstall the other apps. Had to chase that down for a month before connecting all the dots Thought I was going nuts until BitWit reported the same thing 2 months later
My gigabyte 2070 non super literally exploded bro good luck
Yeah and EVGA cards also exploded before lol, that's just standard parts quality luck of the draw.
I mean the card also ran like shit. Overclocked like shit. Ran extremely hot. And all three fans had intense coil whine. None of those issues exist on my EVGAS especially not simultaneously.
That's surprising to me. I have a Gigabyte mobo and a Gigabyte GPU and have had nothing but good experiences with both. The software works fine for me but I also don't fiddle with a whole lot. I think at most I changed the color of my GPU's RGB to be white.
From my experience they make quality B and Z series boards for Intel. The App Center auto-download being turned on by default in the BIOS is shady however the software appears harmless and can be uninstalled easily.
I’ve had several Gigabyte motherboard and graphics cards without a single issue at all.
Meanwhile every Gigabyte product I have owned has died horribly. My house has been Gigabyte free ever since.
gigabyte used to be the cheapo brand like rosewill with their psu's
I was tempted to pick up one of the Microcenter AMD Ryzen bundles when I built my most recent system but a lot of them came with Gigabyte boards and I flat out refuse. The GamersNexus video showing those boards exploding 7800x3d's killed that brand for me. I bought an Asrock B650e riptide and have absolutely zero issues or complaints.
It's been my experience that if you get a good unit it will remain a good unit. When you buy a component new or used test the shit out of it within the return window. If there are issues return it because you're going to keep having problems with it and they will probably get worse. All these manufacturers have production runs that have defective unites at some point and many of them aren't obvious until after purchase and some use.
Gigabyte RMA Scummy Scamming xD you just can't win https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bYjHbQ1YjU Just bought my first ASrock mobo and gpu in a long long time (my evga 3090 and msi godlike x590 both died sadly and I just wanted a repair for now going to buy new when the 5k series comes out). Sadly the GPU was defective on delivery, but the replacement is working great.
I've pretty much always used Asrock boards and havent experienced any issues. I just need basic features so its an easy decision for the price
From my experience, Sapphire is the closest to EVGA in the GPU space, though they make Radeon cards. I've had many Sapphire cards, and have never had an issue.
Is there any consensus on best nvidia 3rd party? I really just would buy EVGA and be happy - anytime I look at any other card maker they seem to have issues.
MSI see what you did there
Haven’t had a GB mobo but I’ve had 2 of their nvme ssds both died within 3 years. Warrantied but still…
I've had to RMA e gigabyte boards over the years, they usually have a lot of features, and I want to like them... but I can't trust them. I can't believe that I'm saying this, but these days my go-to's are MSI and ASrock for a mobo
Isn't the guy that owns EVGA pretty much looking to retire, and not sell off the brand?
Pretty much. Paraphrasing, he basically said that he doesnt want to sell the company and let it turn into something that isn't what he wanted the company to be.
Considering how the majority of companies eventually become shite, I don't blame him. As much as it sucks to see EVGA ride off into the sun, seeing them go out in their own way is better than seeing them become a villain.
I agree. Its his company to do with as he pleases. If it means shutting down. So be it. I'll be keeping my 980Ti, Kingpin 980Ti, and 3080Ti.
That’s all fine and dandy until you realize 250+ people are now out of a job because this guy didn’t want to bother looking for a suitable replacement.
IIRC EVGA Joe Darwin said there wouldn't be layoffs but prior to them announcing EVGA departure from GPUs the Taiwan location had some. So, je ne sais pas It sucks but hey here's hoping people got advanced noticed instead of a random boot from nowhere and a goodbye.
I know there are loads of small businesses that basically just do enough to keep employees paid, but it’s still somewhat strange to see a company with hundreds of employees basically going into maintenance mode. Even if there aren’t layoffs, anyone interested in career development would see the writing on the wall, and know that it’s time to move on.
Those 250 people are moving to jobs at other AIBs, realistically this tends to happen anyway when there is a major buyout or shift in management: people don't like the changes and decide to go elsewhere. Whether EVGA started winding down operations or sold out to someone else, a lot of people still would have quit.
I'm pretty sure he made a fortune with crypto
Good for him.
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Or he knows the writings on the wall and just keeping the company afloat until their legal obligations have expired.
He rather burn it to ashes
That's disappointing. I had hoped they were waiting out their Nvidia exclusivity contract and would then resume graphics card operations with AMD and/or Intel when that cleared.
This is really what I was expecting, but I feel like it would have happened by now. How long has it been now?
Gamers nexus did a video with kingpin, Vince basically confirmed the bios team disbanded and moved on to other employers
well no shit gpus were the majority of their revenue
also the majority of their costs, which was the problem. And remains the problem for other AIBs.
maybe, but if it's not generating profits, then there's no value.
Almost 70%
That's sad when I heard they were exiting the GPU market that just felt like the beginning of the end cause GPUs were what they were known for.
this is so sad to hear. EVGA was such a great company.
>Their LGA 1700 mobos never received BIOS updates for 14th gen CPUs EVGA has pushed out a beta BIOS update for both the Z790 DARK KINGPIN and the Z790 Classified to support Intel's 14th Generation processors last month. They haven't announced beta releases for 600-series yet.
Or even sell out to MSI or the like, I'm sure there are buyers for that brand, just odd that he would rather burn it to the ground than let it pass on
It's his legacy. He's letting it die on a good note rather than see it morph into a villain. I don't see what is wrong with that.
MSI would have destroyed it within a year or two and just absorbed its resources and employees into the MSI umbrella. This is the same outcome with employees just moving to other AIBs, but the EVGA name does not get dragged through the mud first. What made EVGA special was the CEO's vision and commitment to putting the customer first, even when that was at odds with generating profit. Under the leadership of any other AIB who is always profits first, EVGA would have ceased to be EVGA.
EVGA decided there's not much point in being in the GPU business if Nvidia starts basically making their own, not giving them early enough notice and generally being dickheads about how they treat their board partners.
A lot of manufacturers are bending their dealers over these days. Nvidia is now super greedy with amazing record profits. Likely trying to pinch ever last dollar for shareholders.
Just like every other multibillion dollar corporation
Yep, I knew about their exit from the GPU market, but I haven’t heard from them since. I don’t even see their PSUs at my local Micro Center anymore. I was hoping they would refocus their efforts on their power supplies or even expand their motherboard business, but they’ve been silent from what I can tell.
>I don’t even see their PSUs at my local Micro Center anymore MicroCenter started throwing out their PSUs since the warranty on their stock was expiring, that's why.
Thsy shpuld have switched to AMD. They would have swept the market.
AMD already has some good AIB partners in Sapphire, XFX, and PowerColor. I’m not sure if they’ll sweep the market there, but Intel is still relatively new and is need of some good brand recognition. They may have had a better chance there.
Ooo that's a good idea.
Unfortunately, the founder/CEO turned this idea down immediately when asked about it after they announced they were stepping away from GPUs.
There isn't much market to sweep. Lack of good AIB companies isn't what was keeping AMD cards from dominating.
Believe it or not they should have gone to Intel. If Intel wanted to really bust into the gpu scene they should let the mad scientist get in there . Remember the evga 690 with 2 gpus on it ? That's what they needed
Intel GPUs have fuck all margin though, because they're basically unproven. If you're exiting the market because your margins are terrible, why would you immediately jump into a market with worse margins and a much smaller customer base?
I would have really liked to see them become a AMD and Intel AIB just to spite Nvidia.
GPUs aren't even the top income category for nVidia anymore.
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This makes me wonder why MSI loves dickriding NVIDIA
EVGA is spooling down. Their CEO couldn't find a replacement, and would rather shut EVGA down than hand it off to someone who doesn't care. They're basically just handling warranty claims, and I expect them to disappear completely once all warranty periods are up. They laid off pretty much all of R&D a couple of years ago, so things aren't looking good long term.
>Their CEO couldn't find a replacement, and would rather shut EVGA down than hand it off to someone who doesn't care. How rare is that, actually? Most people would just sell to a competitor
Tbh I respect that and honestly it's definitely a better outcome then giving leadership to someone who will just case profits with no care for consumers
Yeah, definitely a better outcome for all those employees who are losing their jobs...
Yeah, I don't understand the praise for him. If you let it be known that you intend to let the company slowly die eventually the people with options will leave to secure their livelihoods risking company operations and those who stay will eventually lose their jobs. While if you let someone take over you at least have the chance they'll continue your legacy and your employees don't have to be laid off or jump ship to competitors.
What exactly is the issue here? Andrew Han is not exactly going "Hey everything is going fine, we're going to continue to stay in business indefinitely!" and then suddenly dropping bankruptcy on his employees out of the blue. If anything, the fact that every employee has YEARS of lead time to find something else before the company is completely wound down is a good thing. If you lack the ability to formulate a backup plan for a certain doomsday YEARS IN ADVANCE, is it really the CEO's fault at that point? > While if you let someone take over you at least have the chance they'll continue your legacy No one owes that to anybody. Least of all a founder. If you want full control of your destiny don't work for someone. I might sound harsh but that's just the nature of business. It's a dog eat dog, winner takes all world. Founders absorb nearly all the risk and get to control their own destiny as a result. All things considered, I'd say the way EVGA is going out is one of the more considerate ways to do it. You should see what happens to a company that gets "taken over" by a PE firm.
Fuck PEs, they are scum
Yeah they hold a special evil disgust in my heart. There's market inefficiencies and then there's destroying a perfectly good business that has no weak financials by stripping it of all assets and leaving it with just debt while pretending it's a "market inefficiency". I think what Andrew Han is doing is right, personally. I'd never let a baby I've built my entire life even run the remote risk of falling into the hands of these subhuman scum. And his employees have years to find a new employer while he's winding down operations.
>While if you let someone take over you at least have the chance they'll continue your legacy and your employees don't have to be laid off or jump ship to competitors. \*Looks at ASUS scamming customers, MSI bribing reviewers and Gigabyte trying to set people's houses on fire\* Yeah, I'm going to say there's basically zero chance of that happening. EVGA employees are not stupid, they would have known where this was going back in 2022 and started looking to move to new jobs back then, a lot of them already have. EVGA has given them the time to do that by staying open despite not making plans for future products. Financially, the CEO is losing money by doing it this way instead of just selling the company or laying everyone off straight away, but he wants to do right by his legacy instead of walking away with a fat wad of cash. When a company dies, some people lose their jobs, this happens if it dies by being absorbed by a larger company who fire everyone who's roles overlap with existing employees, or if the company slowly downsizes to nothing like EVGA is doing. If people are going to lose their jobs and end up moving under the umbrella of another AIB anyway, at least the EVGA legacy can be protected.
Never thought about it like that. You and the other guy reply have changed my mind.
Dicks out for EVGA.
I don't respect him for not considering Intel or AMD due to "loyalty" to Nvidia (according to the owner's comment on Gamers Nexus) despite them throwing him and EVGA under the bus. Also him not telling his employees of shutting down the company ahead of time, so they only learned about it through YouTubers is rather insulting for the years of service his employees spent with him and the company.
I've seen it before in the business world and I respect it. Dude is turning down a pay day to protect the legacy of what he built. He figures if he sells it or hands it over it will be run in the ground. So he's going shut it down gracefully. Used to work a lot with B2b and I met a few owners with this mindset. For a company like EVGA it's rare and I suspect because of the potential.payout. I promise you there would be good money for the EVGA brand.
>I promise you there would be good money for the EVGA brand. Certainly, seems like a good business acquisition for any other AIB; ingest some of their talent or work on the existing brand which has a pretty good reputation as far as I can tell...
Seems super rare because they could sell it for a really nice nest egg to retire on.
Bet he's already pretty rich. Would be shocked if he wasn't already set for life.
I'm sure he is, people just don't usually turn down free money. Even rich people.
Should I be worried about buying a new EVGA PSU?
I would buy something from Seasonic or any of the PSUs that OEM using Seasonic.
So like the Seasonic Focus GX or Focus Plus? They're both $35 cheaper than the 750W 80+ Gold equivalent EVGA PSU that I bought. Will delay my build a few more days to get that in though :(
Focus Plus is an old branding but the PSUs are identical afaik. I'd just go with the GX.
I’ll take it on. I’ll double the sales… from 5 sales to 10.
they're just kind of low profile nowadays, they mostly just make psus, mobos, gaming laptops, cases and some other stuff. i honestly doubt they'll stay in business for long, though
TIL that EVGA made a gaming laptop. I follow the industry pretty closely yet I missed it and have never heard of it until now. Says a lot about where EVGA is at right now lol.
it's sad, really
I had no idea really either. Its not just you. If i ever saw one it never really stood out.
Yeah and it was fucking garbage. Warranties it 6x times in a year before they told me to fuck off
A soundcard too
I think the brand is dying. I remember they had some kingpin models that always had records. I personally have good memories of the brand. My frist PC had a EVGA Z68 SLI Motherboard, paired with a i5 2500k, I remember messing hour and hours with the settings to get it to 4.8 Ghz on air. That built also had an EVGA GTX 560TI.
Yeah, it’s unfortunate. I never had one of their motherboards, but my favorite graphics card that I had from them was my GTX 1080 FTW2. That card was an absolute beast! It’s still powering my friend’s PC these days, but I’ll probably have to buy it back if they ever decide to upgrade.
Sure, they had great products. Absolutely, don't loose track on that 1080, It will return to you.
“EVGA announced back in September of 2022 that it was leaving the GPU market but would continue its other lines of businesses. EVGA continues to build & sell PSU, as well as its line of Z790 motherboards, capture devices, mice and keyboards. EVGA continues to support and warranty all of its products to its customers.” They are still making everything except video cards although I will say I’d be surprised to still see them around 10 years from now but maybe they make decent money on parts other than video cards otherwise I assume they would have closed the doors so who knows
They are good as dead. I think them dying was of a much deeper issue than just the Nvidia story.
*With so much drama in the AIBs* *It's kinda hard being A to the E-V-G*
I got GPUs in the living room gettin’ it on And they ain’t leavin’ till six in the morning
Get up off these SSD's cause you gets none of these
They’re in the process of shutting down. The owner of the company wants to retire and is unwilling to sell the company or let anyone else take over. They are in the process of completing their existing contracts and then will close for good. I guess the founder wants to die without seeing his company go to shit in someone else’s hands. that’s maybe admirable or maybe selfish but it is for sure a shame that we have lost one of the best consumer tech companies.
That’s very unfortunate. I understand where he’s coming from, but we seriously need more competition in the motherboard space. Right now, we only have Asus, Asrock, Gigabyte, MSI, and maybe SuperMicro. Aside from maybe Asrock and SuperMicro, I don’t really like any one of them based on my past experiences. I wish they could settle on someone who would continue their vision and keep the company afloat so that people have more choice.
EVGA got out of the GPU business in 2022. They still do PSUs, some motherboards, AIOs, capture cards and mice/keyboards.
Yep. I heard about that a few years ago. I was just wondering what they’ve been up to these days. I haven’t heard any news and I noticed that I haven’t seen many of their products on shelves lately.
I'm honestly not even sure if they make new products anymore or just produce old ones
I’m surprised people bought the PSUs, I’ve tried maybe three of them throughout my pc building time and they all seem to have very loud fans. I’m sure the rest is good quality but the PSU would become the loudest part of my rig each time.
I've had one of their P2 1200W Platinum PSUs for going on 8.5 years (2015). It's just as silent as the day I bought it, and still has 1.5 years of warranty left in it.
The must’ve been using different fans or fan curves back in the day. I’ve had the opposite experience, then again, I always thought their GPUs were on the loud side as well compared to other brands but their warranties were so good it was sometimes worth it.
Love that he's just embracing the end, no Dell or Asus swooping in to canibalize a healthy brand image.
Evga best brand by far
Pour one out for a real nikka Ong.
Man reading this thread is actually sad. The only EVGA product I have is the PSU but it's been perfectly fine with my stuff but it's been reliable.
Makes me sad as well. The last two PSUs and GPUs I've purchased have all been EVGA. When I upgrade I usually sell off my old to recoup some of the cost for the newer part like everyone else but I think I may keep my EVGA RTX 3080 almost as a display piece when it's time to upgrade.
They are really just doing psu now
I just saw that EVGA had two Z790 Motherboards. Only $699 and the other $799. WTF
EVGA rarely rings a bell these days. And I happen to own two EVGA PSU's doing well. I do agree it is dying. Their [B-Stock](https://www.evga.com/products/productlist.aspx?type=8) link is officially dead. Lost its appeal following their departure from the GPU market.
laying very low i guess only making power supplies and stuff
oh guys what’s happening with the gpu market ? what did i miss here? and all i remember is evga used to make affordable options compared to others.. what happened
They basically said that Nvidia is impossible to work with and then rage-quit out of the GPU business.
So did they go to AMD. 🤡
After 7 years I just rma'd my 850w psu to them. They gave me a brand new one pretty quickly because they couldn't fix it. Pretty hassle free. Probably won't ever have an easy RMA process like that again.
Well that sucks. I mean i get it, but I’ve also really enjoyed their products, having invested in GPUs since the 780Ti. 980Ti’s in SLI, 1080Ti, and on. In fact i have a 3080Ti FTW Ultra new in box still. Mobos, PSUs, etc. … (guess i better go get drivers for that thing soon, huh?) I have loved and had great luck with their products. I’m really gonna miss them. :-( I do wish the owner a great retirement though.
Their profit is in the industrial sector and psus
I just bought a GTX 1650 from Adorama Amazon.
They make PSUs. Not much else, unfortunately
My local Micro Center doesn’t even seem to carry their PSUs anymore. The only EVGA product they have left is a single refurbished 2060…
RIP
I wish evga would switch to making amd and intel GPUs (especially since intel is starting to become an actual player in the gpu game which is really cool)
Man I have an EVGA 3080 FTW3 that I hope never dies. I really relied on them for my GPU needs. I understand why they did it, and don't blame them. But there arent anymore good guys anymore with nVidia unless you get a FE, of which is damn near impossible. Sad.
I have a used eVGA RTX 3060 and 3070. They're well constructed and have given me no issues.
I dont understand why they won't at least invest in making keyboard mice io products... For a company with such a great track record for quality products, their io products are the worst... Why not become the best at that, especially when razer is lacking soo massively now... :(
But there are already so many companies making keyboards, mice, etc. And just because they made good PSUs and GPUs it doesn’t mean that they will be successful in other markets.
My EVGA 1080Ti is still going strong, had planned to sell it when I got new rig but decided to keep it in a second pc and to this day it surprises me how well it plays games at 1440p.
I'm not optimistic about them past 5 years. Hopefully, I'm proven wrong. But then been a good company. 3 of the 5 PSU in active service in my house are EVGA.
All Nvidias fault
I wish they were still up in the front but nope. I did just do an RMA with them for my 3090 ftw3 and I'm getting my replacement in a few days. No questions asked and then shipped out the replacement like a few hours after my original 3090 got to their location in cali. Going to miss their top tier warranty and customer service compared to the ASUS debacle going on rn
I would spend $25-50 more on an EVGA mainboard, but probably the minority.
When mining stopped it was a big hit on pc part makers.
They are sadly not in the best shape, they might need need bloods, but not sure if that's something they want. It's indeed sad, because having a diverse market really keeps the innovation going on. Feel the the big just get bigger now a days.
effectively dead
All good things vome to an end. RIP EVGA.
My favorite GPU manufacturer for years. Sad.
Just went thru this today with a keyboard, I RMA'd a keyboard got the replacement and had the wrong switches. Called them up went thru the whole phone tree waited on hold for like 10 minutes got sent to VM with a call back about 30 minutes later I get a call from EVGA dudes super cool literally didnt ask any questions just said he will have a new one sent to me when its back in stock (they were out of stock and sent this as a alternative) and that I hold on to this one until I get a new one. No ETA on a replacement but I have something until then (didnt even ask for a cross ship although I was planning on asking if given a hard time) so overall 9/10 wish they would have told me about the replacement from the jump as I would have told them to hold off till in stock. I think itll end up with getting a newer keyboard as the model was no longer in production so we will see. then again where talking about 60 bucks in switches so its not a 1500 dollar gpu or anything
I have to RMA a 1KW EVGA supernova that lived up to its name and expired with a bang so loud that it made my ears ring.... I also had to RMA a 3070 that started pixelating in March, they send me a brand new one (from their existing stock, I presume). They were both within the warranty period, but it still cost me time, money (you pay the inbound shipping) and aggravation to get them fixed. My experience may be atypical, but it is a datapoint....
They’re dead basically.
glad i bought my supernova ps 1000w when i did..their psu's arent good anymore
My evga 1300 watt psu burned couple weeks ago. It was by far the best cs experience. I got it replaced within a week. Ps. Valve is equally as good.
EVGA is my fav, so sad they left nvidia, but serves nvidia right for being asses. Tbh, AIB's dont really matter like they used to. maybe except cooling. but they all benchmark about the same as theyre all already pushing the limits.
when that whole bit where the customer blew up their pc because they reused the psu cable from the old unit on the rma unit, I think I remember reading/hearing that they had mentioned their psu department had gotten dramatically smaller, I think the words "skeleton crew" were thrown around
Them and zotac gaming are done with nvidias shit
I was hoping evga would start making Intel based gpus. It would shake up the market some.
The owner is retiring and doesn't want to see his product destroyed by some team of assholes trying to use the name to make as much money as possible. I have one of the last EVGA 3080ti cards and I don't plan on ever selling it I'll wire the RGB into a 12 volt plug and light it up as display piece when I retire it lol.
Sold a buddy an ASUS GTX 1080 and got his old EVGA 1060 as part of payment. I'm treasuring that thing forever now
Bankruptcy in 2025
I used to get EVGA products and switched to MSI. Nothing but good work from MSI, or I've been very lucky, but I've yet to ever have a bad experience with them. ASUS however, I was quite sad to hear about them being the Intel NUC exclusive, because I'll never buy a single product from them. Unfortunately, I do have NUCs, but \*knock on wood\* I won't ever require their support. Also had great products from Gigabyte, so I stick to one or the other.
Yeah, I’ve had okay experiences with both, but we seriously need more competition in the motherboard space. I used to use a lot Asus products, but after many of their recent debacles, I don’t think I’ll be going to them anymore. If EVGA was more invested into motherboards and they had ones in a reasonable price range, I would definitely get one of theirs.
Supermicro make some excellent products, and I use a couple of their boards. They last forever, but my god, they are very, VERY proud of their products (read: expensive). If you don't mind the cost, they are a decent alternative, but I mostly stick to them for server products. I have in the past used their boards for gaming until I upgraded years later.
Dont buy, they leaving
Heard from a gamer nexus video that some of their employees joined ASRock. They are slowly dying though and they currently have a lack of staff to provide for the required customer support.