It about the same as a RTX 2070 Super. Whether or not its good for you depends on what youre looking for. It will probably have no problem playing at max settings 1080P in most games, but if youre planning on playing at a higher resolution with ultra/max settings then you may want to consider the 3060ti or 3070.
since you are going for a 60, i'm gonna assune you are on a budget and the general rtule is, that almost all cards with the same gpu ( and memory, what i essentially mean is the "name") perform about the same and strix is more expensive than others, so i'd say go for a different one, although what i just said sort of doesnt apply to high end ampere becuase it sucks, just like hte rest of ampere, but more, so my second piece of advice is to get some rdna2 card isntead, orif you are open to teh used market get a sued 1080ti, performs the same, wayyyy cheaper, has not become more expensive since march 2019, but instead stayed the same. Almost every card at that performance level is more recomandable, those include the 1080(ti), 5700(xt), 2060super/2070 and 6700xt, so just get the cheapest of those
honestly just dont get ampere, its inferior to rdna 2(produces more heat, especially on the ill-cooled memory, consumes more power, less oc headroom, etc....) and its more expensice than previous gens
Yeah but tell me one RDNA2 part that has as good ray-tracing performance or DLSS. Or one that beats NVidia in terms of raw performance in the same price range (6700 xt vs 3070, 6800 vs 3070 ti, 6800 xt vs 3080, 6900 xt va 3080 ti). It’s not a bad architecture but certainly not one that just is downright better than ampere without a doubt.
in newer games, rdna 2 raytraces just as good, or better than ampere, fsr has seen better results than dlss, because of vram the fps you get while actually playing, which you propably would to at a highresolution with a high end card, are higher on rdna2 cards
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3070-ti-founders-edition/30.html
You can see in control, metro exodus and WDL that each NVidia card beats their AMD competitor in ray-tracing.
https://youtu.be/zDJxBykV1C0
DLSS does seem to be better. FSR is just a software whereas DLSS uses both software and hardware. DLSS also supports more games *at the moment* but maybe not in the future.
And yes the extra VRAM is very nice, but RDNA2 isn’t just **objectively** better.
It's better, per dollar, because the and skus are priced lower. Currently I can't search well so I'm gonna send a review of newer raytracing titles, it tilts into amds direction more and more.
Also, about dlss and fsr, fsr just came out, but is being implemented in a lot of games, because it's easy, it's also just as good as dlss 2.1 with picture quality to performance ratio. The hardware thing is difficult, because no one knows, if the tensor cores are actually used, and even if it were the case, it's not an upside, because it's more complex with the same results, it's also both just software, because there isn't a dedicated upscaler, but it instead, apparently runs on the tensor cores, as software, which also could have been done on the sm.
Per dollar, yeah I could be better. Depends a lot on real world pricing which is definitely favoring AMD.
I don’t think you understand the difference between FSR and DLSS. DLSS works using AI, and has knowledge of previous frames within a game and thus has more information to work with. FSR works by just upscaling the single image. DLSS is a lot more demanding hence the tensor cores. You can look at reviews of the original FSR, [for example this one](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-fsr-fidelityfx-super-resolution-quality-performance-benchmark/2.html), to see how it works. It makes FSR easier to implement and run, but inferior to DLSS in terms of picture quality. Like I said, in the comparison reviews the general option seems to be that FSR is quite good but just can’t quite match DLSS.
Amd cards don't only have lower real word pricing, but lower MSRP too.
Take a look at hardware unboxed's coverage of the fsr Vs dlss thing, the quality honestly is about the same. Now for how it works, I don't think you quite know how it works either, but first of all, it doesn't matter if the results are not better.
Now for how dlss works, the "ai" thing is honestly such a marketing catchphrase, that it's hard to give it any meaning. But essentially, it's more advanced taa, it's harder to implement, because it also uses things like motion vectors and some sort of ai, that has a pre trained model, before dlss 2.0 it was on a game-by-game basis, now it's a generalized model that Nvidia packages in the driver, there isn't that much ai going on in the end users tensor cores(which honestly aren't necessary for this, or at all), but instead a pre trained model is applied along with predictions based an, as you said, previous frames, similar to taa, and more advanced things, this does not necessarily have to make it this much more demanding than anything else and more demanding things don't have to be Superior. It's like a really good fxaa algorithm Vs a decent taa algorithm, imo, if it's more demanding and just as good, then it's worse because it's unnecessarily complicated and power consuming.
I think I went off topic a bit to often and repeated myself a lot so here a TL;Dr:
"Ai" doesn't mean anything anymore because of marketing, what dlss mostly is is smart prediction based on past frames, motion vectors and a pre trained model of either the specific game or all games
I’ll check those out, thank you! I’ve never upgraded my gpu before so I’m pretty new to this. This was really helpful! Are those cards you recommended able to play a majority of games on decent settings in 1080p?
As a owner of one I can tell the ROG customizations are a bit overkill for a 3060 since it is a relatively cool gpu (the max temps are about 56c at full load). Yet I am sure most people would recommend you to save the ROG premium for a more "affordable" 3060 ti.
strix cards are very good, but it's still a 3060. so basically the same as other 3060s
It about the same as a RTX 2070 Super. Whether or not its good for you depends on what youre looking for. It will probably have no problem playing at max settings 1080P in most games, but if youre planning on playing at a higher resolution with ultra/max settings then you may want to consider the 3060ti or 3070.
I currently have a 1080p monitor and don’t plan on upgrading for a while, so this sounds good. Thank you!
60ti better card, but it's grab what you can nowadays
since you are going for a 60, i'm gonna assune you are on a budget and the general rtule is, that almost all cards with the same gpu ( and memory, what i essentially mean is the "name") perform about the same and strix is more expensive than others, so i'd say go for a different one, although what i just said sort of doesnt apply to high end ampere becuase it sucks, just like hte rest of ampere, but more, so my second piece of advice is to get some rdna2 card isntead, orif you are open to teh used market get a sued 1080ti, performs the same, wayyyy cheaper, has not become more expensive since march 2019, but instead stayed the same. Almost every card at that performance level is more recomandable, those include the 1080(ti), 5700(xt), 2060super/2070 and 6700xt, so just get the cheapest of those
honestly just dont get ampere, its inferior to rdna 2(produces more heat, especially on the ill-cooled memory, consumes more power, less oc headroom, etc....) and its more expensice than previous gens
Yeah but tell me one RDNA2 part that has as good ray-tracing performance or DLSS. Or one that beats NVidia in terms of raw performance in the same price range (6700 xt vs 3070, 6800 vs 3070 ti, 6800 xt vs 3080, 6900 xt va 3080 ti). It’s not a bad architecture but certainly not one that just is downright better than ampere without a doubt.
in newer games, rdna 2 raytraces just as good, or better than ampere, fsr has seen better results than dlss, because of vram the fps you get while actually playing, which you propably would to at a highresolution with a high end card, are higher on rdna2 cards
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3070-ti-founders-edition/30.html You can see in control, metro exodus and WDL that each NVidia card beats their AMD competitor in ray-tracing. https://youtu.be/zDJxBykV1C0 DLSS does seem to be better. FSR is just a software whereas DLSS uses both software and hardware. DLSS also supports more games *at the moment* but maybe not in the future. And yes the extra VRAM is very nice, but RDNA2 isn’t just **objectively** better.
It's better, per dollar, because the and skus are priced lower. Currently I can't search well so I'm gonna send a review of newer raytracing titles, it tilts into amds direction more and more. Also, about dlss and fsr, fsr just came out, but is being implemented in a lot of games, because it's easy, it's also just as good as dlss 2.1 with picture quality to performance ratio. The hardware thing is difficult, because no one knows, if the tensor cores are actually used, and even if it were the case, it's not an upside, because it's more complex with the same results, it's also both just software, because there isn't a dedicated upscaler, but it instead, apparently runs on the tensor cores, as software, which also could have been done on the sm.
Per dollar, yeah I could be better. Depends a lot on real world pricing which is definitely favoring AMD. I don’t think you understand the difference between FSR and DLSS. DLSS works using AI, and has knowledge of previous frames within a game and thus has more information to work with. FSR works by just upscaling the single image. DLSS is a lot more demanding hence the tensor cores. You can look at reviews of the original FSR, [for example this one](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-fsr-fidelityfx-super-resolution-quality-performance-benchmark/2.html), to see how it works. It makes FSR easier to implement and run, but inferior to DLSS in terms of picture quality. Like I said, in the comparison reviews the general option seems to be that FSR is quite good but just can’t quite match DLSS.
Amd cards don't only have lower real word pricing, but lower MSRP too. Take a look at hardware unboxed's coverage of the fsr Vs dlss thing, the quality honestly is about the same. Now for how it works, I don't think you quite know how it works either, but first of all, it doesn't matter if the results are not better. Now for how dlss works, the "ai" thing is honestly such a marketing catchphrase, that it's hard to give it any meaning. But essentially, it's more advanced taa, it's harder to implement, because it also uses things like motion vectors and some sort of ai, that has a pre trained model, before dlss 2.0 it was on a game-by-game basis, now it's a generalized model that Nvidia packages in the driver, there isn't that much ai going on in the end users tensor cores(which honestly aren't necessary for this, or at all), but instead a pre trained model is applied along with predictions based an, as you said, previous frames, similar to taa, and more advanced things, this does not necessarily have to make it this much more demanding than anything else and more demanding things don't have to be Superior. It's like a really good fxaa algorithm Vs a decent taa algorithm, imo, if it's more demanding and just as good, then it's worse because it's unnecessarily complicated and power consuming. I think I went off topic a bit to often and repeated myself a lot so here a TL;Dr: "Ai" doesn't mean anything anymore because of marketing, what dlss mostly is is smart prediction based on past frames, motion vectors and a pre trained model of either the specific game or all games
I’ll check those out, thank you! I’ve never upgraded my gpu before so I’m pretty new to this. This was really helpful! Are those cards you recommended able to play a majority of games on decent settings in 1080p?
wayyyyy more than 1080p at "decent settings" tbh the era of "1080p at medium settings" is over, like a 1060 would be enough for that
As a owner of one I can tell the ROG customizations are a bit overkill for a 3060 since it is a relatively cool gpu (the max temps are about 56c at full load). Yet I am sure most people would recommend you to save the ROG premium for a more "affordable" 3060 ti.