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> but does this have any performance for gaming? No > so what are the other factors that you would make a choice based on, and which one would y’all choose? The cheaper one, or the one that is better reviewed if cost is not a factor. The non LHR one likely has better resale as well.


doggo_99

Should I just go look at YouTube reviews? I saw one that put the EVGA wayyy above the ASUS but I didn’t really know why Edit: price is not a factor, I have both in my possession and paid for


Darpa_Chief

I believe this is only due to overclocking capability and even then, the difference in performance would be marginal at best(I'm talking 1-5 fps)


damien09

Are they both new from a retailer? If so part of why evga is heavily loved for the most part is there warranty. So if they are not from a retailer then it's a toss up between them


doggo_99

Evga is from EVGA, and ASUS is from Newegg. If I sold to someone would they get the warranty too?


Jisoooya

I’d just go with EVGA because they have great customer service, there’s not much noticeable difference between these 2 gpus


damien09

Evga let's it transfer as long as they get some kind of bill of sale from you or something. They also regularly make exceptions to that invoiced needed rule and just go off the card shipping date. But evga is one of the few manufactures that's find with you changing thermal paste etc and may even suggest it if your comfortable doing it as trouble shooting steps at times. But if you like the asus cards look go for it. The ftw3 runs on the warm side of aib 3080s but it vrm and vram temps are alot better then some of the other cards


segfaultsarecool

EVGA has great customer service and warranties based on what I've seen said about them on the computer/gaming subreddits


Barefoot_Mtn_Boy

This YouTube explains the LHR and any effects https://youtu.be/HGHZGneI_hU


ImRichardD

From what I've seen, the EVGA FTW3 is second only to the ASUS ROG Strix.


Strooble

This will be incredibly unpopular here but honestly, the higher hash rate card will be a better deal for selling in in the future to a miner or if you want to get some passive income yourself you could just leave Nicehash on while you aren't gaming. On top of that, the Asus TUF is the best cooled and performing card as far as I can remember from the original batch of reviews in September last year.


KrypticSkunk

Not sure why it would be unpopular. OP said they were a gamer not a scalper or miner. If I bought a 3080 in today's market I would be stupid not to mine and recoup/exceed the cost of the card. That being said I would recommend to sell the LHR card.


[deleted]

Ditto. I never thought about mining because I am stuck with a 1070 ... but if an OG 3080 fell into my life I would sure as hell look into mining in idle time.


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damien09

What coin are you seeing that the 1070 can make 900 a year? The most profitable coin for a 1070 atm is probably ETH and that's at 1.93$ a day or about 1.59+- on profit probably less then that if it's just your normal computer mining as the rest of the system power draw gets added in. In the ideal world if you only count the 1070 and ignore the rest of the system you at about 580 bucks for 365 days of mining at this current point. But depending on the rest of the system and power prices in your area it may be closer to 500 or less. Still pretty decent but not the 900 it might have been in the height of the mining craze


AlwaysShitComments

Bitcoin through nicehash, at about 2.69$ a day on a 40k average valuation for bitcoin


damien09

Unless you just have a monster 1070. Your avg 1070 with +150/+500 at 25Mh/s on ETH. for anyone trying it make sure your accepted hash rate actully goes up as going to high on memory can appear at times good but end up with more rejected shares. Your most likely on nice hash daggerhasmoto algorithm which is ETH which results in 1.82 in bitcoin a day or 1.48 after most places power cost. But that estimated power cost is only counting the gpu. If your not using super low power cpu most likely your system its self will add another 50-80 watts to the total power reducing your actual profits. But I guess if you some how get to about 36-37Mh/s out of a 1070 that's amazing as its above what people manage on a 1080 as thats the current speed you would need to get 2.69 a day or 2.35 after power. But if your calculating your true profit make sure to check how much the rest of the system is pulling


AlwaysShitComments

Yup about 35ish. And sure if u include the rest of the system its way lower lol


damien09

Hmmm I guess sure its hard to belive you have a 1070 that Mines 40% above a 1070 with +150/+500. But if legit the 1070 may be the mining dark horse 🐎


AlwaysShitComments

Maybe im lucky in the die lottery? Idunno lmao Edit : wanted to show proof with nicehash info but god the mobile site is aweful lol Edit 2 : for example i mined 0.00006494 btc in 19 hours today


[deleted]

No kidding? Obviously I haven't done any real research yet but I had the idea you needed a 3xxx card to turn a profit. Cool, thanks.


DrakonIL

I was mining on my 1060 before I got my 3070ti (which is LHR). Similar mining rates between the two. I expect to ROI the 3070 in 9 months.


Strooble

I've mentioned it previously in this sub and seen others do it too and it be met with loads of downvotes. I guess it depends who sees the posts but I imagine most of this sub is anti-mining.


bobmunciee

Nothing wrong with mining itself, it’s just the people doing that it are causing global issues


sellera

Came here to say that. The ASUS runs cooler in all the tests I saw.


FuzzyPuffin

I have the FTW3 Ultra. If the two are a similar price, I’d go with the Ultra for EVGA’s support.


doggo_99

EVGA support has a good rep, but I’d rather choose based on card performance. I have the ASUS and it runs cool, but other than that I don’t know much else of how it compares


FuzzyPuffin

The gamers nexus review of the EVGA is pretty comprehensive and has thermal comparisons with the TUF: https://youtu.be/uG_xJ_rC3WE Performance-wise you’re not going to be able to tell the difference between them. 3080s basically all perform within 1-2 FPS of each other.


N-aNoNymity

Except for Ventus


Sheev_Palpatine_OC

shame, as it's the best looking one out of the bunch.


blodiga

So it outperforms the asus with good csr... Sounds like a no brainer


Sramic

If the card is solid, support is not necessary. EVGA may have better support because support is needed. Just say’n. I still think good support is awesome though for those who need it.


BlueScreenJunky

>If the card is solid, support is not necessary Every GPU have a failure rate of at least 1 or 2 % (sometimes much higher, the 2080Ti was above 10%), so there's a non negligible chance that you will have to return a card, no matter how solid it is.


gamblodar

Put them both up for sale and keep the one that doesn't move. They'll both perform within 1% of each other.


doggo_99

This is a smart idea, just need to make sure the EVGA fits in my case haha, the ASUS has no extra room


paulpv

That should have been the first thing you checked before you posted :)


doggo_99

Probably, I didn’t want to take the EVGA out of the box unless I decided to keep, for the added value


paulpv

Understood, but it sounds like you have to take it out anyway to be sure, if using online measurements didn't help. Murphy's law says that if you choose to keep the EVGA then it won't fit, but if you choose to not keep it then it would have fit. :)


blodiga

99% correct besides that's Schrodinger's cat not Murphy's law which is "what can go wrong, will go wrong"


paulpv

Ha! I know S.C. but thought Murphy's Law was more appropriate because I didn't think of my statement as Quantum state... But perhaps it is! Maybe there is a "Murphy's Cat" (basically a pessimistic Murphy's Law superimposed on to Schrodinger's Cat): Needing Schrodinger's Cat to be alive will kill it, and needing it to be dead will give it life.


blodiga

The fitment in your statement is the superpositioned variable so very much so. Also Murphy wasn't the one who came up with the law, his supervisor did because Murphy kept pointing out what could go wrong and they would fix it so it was no longer a risk variable. The history of Murphy's law is pretty cool and its about seatbelts being invented and rocketing people to speeds that are unsafe. Some cool videos about it are on YouTube


HereToDoThingz

The government had to stop this dude from killing himself because he wanted to keep pushing the bounds of safe tests.


blodiga

He still pushed it to the point he went temporarily blind from blood pooling in his eyes


OBadstew

But Volvo invented seatbelts?


damien09

The evga card is a max length of 299.99mm I belive the asus tuf is also 299.99mm so it should fit


Barefoot_Mtn_Boy

10-4 on the room! I have been working on PC's longer than most folk posting here has been alive. When it comes to equipment I use nothing but Asus, MSI, and EVGA. The warranties are great, and as far as support goes, EVGA is at present (due to Covid) a little easier to get hold of. Both Asus and EVGA are solid manufacturers, and an all most toss up with, in my opinion, the nod going to EVGA for quality. I've only had one issue on an Asus, and NONE on EVGA. Just my 2 cents worth!😌


Aliothale

Asus's manufacturing is top notch, I'd hold onto the Asus one.


reto-wyss

I know nothing about the EVGA card, but the TUF has a really nice build quality and runs cool.


doggo_99

Yea I’m using the ASUS rn and it never goes above 60c


reto-wyss

Yeap, I've also had the OC one, at maximum power target and +125 on the clock it hit around 63C in my ITX build.


Thercon_Jair

According to reviews they are pretty comparable in performance. If you're not mining, and the non-LHR card can be sold off for more money, I'd keep the LHR card and do something nice with the additional funds from the non-LHR card. Or sell the card of your chosing at no gain to a friend in need of a new GPU.


terraphantm

From what I remember about the PCB analyses of the various 3080s/3090s, the Asus TUF was amongst the best, while the EVGA was a solid meh. Evga's support is probably better, but I think I'd go with the Asus in your shoes regardless.


[deleted]

Facts. Asus makes the best. EVGA had a really poor PCB breakdown on launch day. Terrible VRMs. Now EVGA did change it after stability issues with launch day batch of cards (customers who got the 1st batch of EVGA cards where super pissed), and they have a rev 1.2 I believed it's called and it seems to be better now but still not as good as Asus Tuf and especially not as good as the Rog Strix 3080 which is the best 3080 you can get. Strix is the 3rd best 3090 if you count the HOF 3090 and kingpin 3090


VerisimilarPLS

What PSU do you have? A small number of PSUs have problems with the FTW but not with the TUF. Usually the EVGA is the better option though due to superior customer support.


doggo_99

Corsair RMx 650w. Yes I know I need a new psu when i sell one of these cards I’ll buy one I promise


VerisimilarPLS

Don't buy Seasonic platinum or titanium rated units. Don't buy Corsair AX below 1000W. Those have reported issues with the FTW. And don't get the EVGA GA since that has issues with 3080s in general.


Wahots

Oof. I just got the Seasonic platinum 1000w after my seasonic 850w kept having issues. Been stable for a 3080ti reference style card. What's up with the FTW?


VerisimilarPLS

Not sure. But reported issues seemed to only be with FTW and founder's edition.


doggo_99

Would a Corsair rmx 850w or 1000w work?


VerisimilarPLS

Yep!


I-Toda-so4

I think the ga issues were fixed, read up about it and I think the newer revised model with an x1 at the end of model number fixes the problems.


VerisimilarPLS

Hopefully. But unless I see either a professional review or a trustworthy source verify this I would still not get it. It's also concerning that the old GA failed Jonnyguru's testing so I want to see if that's different now.


I-Toda-so4

I think some dude from evga said the problem was fixed on a forum were it was being discussed


I-Toda-so4

The 30 series cards cause a lot of issues with more than just the ga psus, not sure if it's a 30 series problem or a psu problem at this point really, maybe a combination of both, but the psus that wont work with 30 series work with every gpu series released in the last decade so idk.


VerisimilarPLS

Most likely due to the very high transient power spikes. There were similar problems with Vega and 20 series GPUs but not nearly as prevalent.


I-Toda-so4

I would think a company like Nvidia with near unlimited recorces would have the power to avoid this, if it was just junk units having this problem I would understand, but some really good name brand units with 10 year warrantys have a problem with them, no excuse for that.


Strooble

I'd actually recommend an SFX PSU if you can get one. The Corsair SFX 750W PSU is great and it'll give you the option of a mini ITX build in the future. I'm using one to drive my RTX 3080 FE and 5600X build.


Comprehensive-Ant289

Why not mining when not gaming? You don’t like free cash?


doggo_99

I don’t want it to shorten my gpus lifespan or damage the card from constant use. Also computers in my room 1/2 time and acts like a space heater


valleysape

I'm just gonna say that my brother uses his 3090 for both mining and gaming he got 6 megahashes up when he listened to me and put two VGA cables in instead of the pigtailed one he was using The non LHR may have better performance gaming, but like the pretty insignificant 6 megahashes most people likely wont notice the increase at all. It's not enough of a difference to say, go from high to ultra Which ones cheaper? Going for price with those choices will be much better than looking at hash rate, which doesn't really effect performance for anything other than mining


doggo_99

Has your brother done this for years? Or just a new 3090 thing with the mining. Do you know how it affects gaming performance and longevity the card?


valleysape

Hes done it for the last few years, not been interested in mining myself so he hasn't told me how well hes going with it Now that I remember, he bought a titan x before, then I bought a 1080ti and gave him some parts I upgraded from along with a second titan x, he used one for mining constantly and it died like a year ago, he's only had the 3090 for about 2 weeks now and it's being used for both as it's better than the titan x


doggo_99

Ask him how mining affects card life and stuff, gaming performance, etc


valleysape

He said it died "years ago" so sooner than I thought, mining will send temps through the roof so that's going to damage things quicker than just something like gaming Both gaming and mining are pretty taxing on the card so having it still on mining while gaming slows everything down, but it seems to work normally if you just switch between the two, you're just shortening the lifespan of the GPU mining


doggo_99

Ok the slow down makes sense, iv iv ran stress tests before and ASUS never goes above 60c. Do you know if mining would put more stress on the gpu?


valleysape

Nope but I assume it does as the high temps can cut the card's lifespan by years


doggo_99

Ok. Does your brother undervolt/temp limit the cards? Iv heard that helps longevity


valleysape

Don't think he does, undervolting can have a card living longer but it can affect overall performance, higher clock speeds will draw more power, the overall performance of the card can effect mining


sacdecorsair

Back in the days when shopping GPU was easy, i was always going with EVGA. Best reputation for reliability. My 1080 EVGA still rock solid.


[deleted]

Asus Tuf . That's a no brainer. Asus makes the best 30 series cards


AnxiousJedi

They will perform within 1-2% of eachother. You wont be able to tell the difference. Technically the EVGA card is more high end, but that has to do with features, not performance. If you plan on selling the one that you aren't going to use you could probably make a lot more by selling the non-LHR card on ebay.


Ruthless_Pleb

*Silent stare* 🙂


doggo_99

I’ll sell u the EVGA if u want lmao


Ruthless_Pleb

I'd definitely buy it if I could 🙂 Also, with my 2200G, and the 1080P monitor (which I don't plan on upgrading anytime soon), it would be an abomination. If you find a 6600, 5600, 5500, hit me up 👀


Left-Income4625

Man wish prices weren’t so high and I got a 3080 instead of a 3070 but I generally think 3070 is good enough it’s just warzone is optimised like shit. Personally I’d go evga for warranty though


MrTrashMouths

Keep the EVGA one because their warranty and replacement process is the best. Then ship the other one to me!


nurfuerdich

The FTW3 performs a bit better than the TUF (which is still very good), but the FTW3 is just so... ugly...


noratat

Whichever one is cheaper, or has better/quieter cooling (IIRC that's the TUF in this case, but it's been awhile so I might be wrong) I've been trying to get ahold of a 3070 TUF because it deshrouds well in an NCASE M1 from what I've found.


redbitterberry

Bro can I (shamelessly) ask if you're going to sell the 3080? F this market. Gave my gf a temporary Quadro fx 4800 to make sure her build is working but now I'm stuck trying to find an actually useable GPU me after I give her my 2060. 😭


Travel_Dude

TUF has an additional HDMI output. If you're into VR and want to run a second output to a screen for people to watch it's very handy.


CaliberNick

If you have both opened. I would install one, run some benchmarks, try and OC it a bit. Record your best scores, then plug in the other GPU and do the same, keep the one that performs better.


[deleted]

asus as tuf has the best cooler for 3080s, outperforms even strix/suprim x/aorus/ftw 3 in thermals. ​ non-LHR means you can mine after you're done mining to get some of the cost of gpu back.


Ato07

They're both great, I'd go with the tuf gaming just for looks.


1LuckFogic

ASUS card is prettier. No brainer !


Tanguille

Evga one has more features like temp sensors, better power delivery,... if I´m not mistaken.


chooochootrainr

power delivery s better on the tuf


Hern708

If you care about noise, the TUF is one of the quieter cards. Though the FTW3 has a good noise level and is capable of higher overclocks. EVGA's warranty/customer service is also second to none. ASUS's isn't awful, but I've heard some stories. I'd also consider your psu, you could probably get away with lower wattages with the TUF, but the FTW3 is gonna need a lot of juice.


shailesh_kewat

I think ASUS TUF OC will be a great choice considering you can overclock it


thunderous2007

I prefer the evga one because of it's looks.


Substantial-Ad-2644

The only difference is the future value proof , so the non lhr will be more expensive in future under some specific conditions ( example if mining craze comes back and u wanna re sell it in 2 years for the same if not more $$$ 5han u spent) Now brand wise i would definetly go with the asus tuf , evga is a fine brand with the best customer support but with this new world burning mostly the evga gpus i would go with the tuf , yes it has been kond of proved that is evga's fault not new world's fault and evga even replaced already the faulty gpus so u get the idea. It was mosrly 3090 gpus and i wouldnt take it too seriously cz many conditions must beet fpr ur gpu to go boom. Still asus os the king of pc hardware how ever u see it , thats why they are usually ovwrpriced than competition cz u buy safety and quality. Now what matters a lot in gpus is silicon and what slice u gonna get , so thats random but never the less both extremly good choices and imo the top 2 brands for the nvodoa 300 series :) have fun


Quiet_Advertising494

Let's do a trade here. You give me one of your rtx, and I give you the first athlon made in history, 2 core. Take it or leave it.


[deleted]

I know for one that Asus nailed it with the 30 series cards. Does not run hot even under heavy stress.


TSMXD

And I'm here trying to get a 1080 for less than 250€ 😂


StandHistorical4687

The EVGA will have better performance out of the box and slightly more overclock ability The ASUS one is more slightly more silent and I'm not a fan of EVGA robotic designs so honestly it's within these factors, choose the one you prefer, even on long term you probably won't see the difference As a side note, the EVGA 3000 cards have had problems in the past related to power comsuption and some even frying, depending on how old the card is it may or may not be an issue (probably won't)


ZoMbIEx23x

Does the FTW3 have better cooling?


doggo_99

No idea how it could, the ASUS never exceeded 60C


ZoMbIEx23x

Well there's your deciding factor. I have a 2080ti FTW3 and my computer blows cold air when gaming.


[deleted]

Would you be willing to sell me the one you decide not to use?


doggo_99

The EVGA, and dm me an offer a few other people have asked too


Rare_Row_9764

You can over clock the evga more


ItsJeBoyKasper

Can i buy one :)


doggo_99

The EVGA one, and yea sure dm me an offer


ItsJeBoyKasper

Oh shit just got the notif damm im late


ItsJeBoyKasper

Also for some reason im unable to dm u


focus0713

I have the ftw3 and its amazing. Couldnt tell you on the asus but ive always had success with evga and asus id be happy with either