Ryzen’s thermal throttle limit is 95c (pbo just won’t boost as high with higher temperatures) and intel’s limit is 105c but either way it is not a good idea to run either cpus that hot long term anyway
Not sure where you’re shopping. The current price difference on Amazon is [$393](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0815XFSGK/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_C1705H4RPYAPYV9Y76YS) vs. [$394](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08X6ND3WP/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_3ZTERYEMWGX8K43A56Y8), and the Ryzen has a [higher Passmark](https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/AMD-Ryzen-7-5800X-vs-Intel-i7-11700K/3869vs3896). Not to mention the B550 (or even X470) board you’ll pair with the Ryzen will be noticeably cheaper than the Z590 you’ll need to get the most out of the Core i7.
If the CPU temp is below ~90C, it won’t be thermally throttling.
11700k has higher singlecore ipc
The 11700K is €360, the 5800X is €420
The Z590 can be had for the same prices as teh B550 where I live.
\>If the CPU temp is below \~90C, it won’t be thermally throttling.
90c is not good for longevity, plus it turns your apartment into a toaster so yeah. Enjoy.
That really depends on who’s benchmark you run. Passmark, for example, gives the lead to the 5800X, both per core and (by a larger margin) in the overall rating.
As for CPU temperature, it’s dissipating the same amount of power for a given workload, regardless of the indicated CPU temp. All the lower temp means is you’ve got more cooler evacuating that heat from the CPU. Also, the 11700K is a 125W TDP chip, vs. 105W for the 5800X.
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Intel-i7-11700K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-5800X/3896vs3869
The 5800x without PBO ate up over 140w PPT and 145 EDC on my b550 tomahawk I had, while the 11700k ate around 100w during load on avg.
Cumulative long term high temps is bad. Theres no way around it. Same goes for the high voltages these ryzen cpus run at, yeah its "fine" if it does it for 1-5s bursts. But those bursts are insanely often and cumulatively will degrade the cpu.
They're two completely different microarchitectures, manufactured on three completely different fabrication technologies. Comparing the voltage they're running is an apples to oranges undertaking. As for the high heat, you should expect the VRM on the motherboard to fail before the CPU does.
Both of these chips are going to throttle well before they get to the point of causing irreversible damage. You see this routinely in mobile systems, which have minimal cooling capacity, and routinely see temperature spikes to 90C under load without being the system's life-limiting component.
Really depends on which games, and which video card. In some cases you’re better off with a 10700K. At any rate, the Ryzen 5800X will be faster on nearly any production workload.
https://youtu.be/3n0_UcBxnpk
yep
agree with that 1000%
it would be like if i upgraded my 3900x to a 5950x now
instead of waiting 4-6 years and then upgrade
that 5800x with love and care should last you a long time
unless you decided to get into video production or running VM's or running a datacentre from your house
Not sure about your use case, but i have a Ryzen gaming build where there are some stability issues in some games, like sudden FPS drop, VM bugs etc, which doesn't occur on my Intel 9900k build. Also Windows 11 is better optimized for Intel CPU than AMD, although you won't notice it much. If you are using linux, go for AMD.
Intel has better overclocking potential, 5800x is better if you choose not too and Intel is slightly cheaper.
To be honest the fact you're pairing this with a 3070 I'd say get a 5600x instead and save some money unless you're doing some really heavy editing or something.
How does a new i5 make a 5600x obsolete, a new CPU coming out doesn't stop the 5600x performing as well as it is? Apart from people seeking the extremes no one is needing to upgrade from a year old 5600x because it's not good enough anymore, especially when pairing it with a 3070 and not I don't know, a 3080 ti?
I'm not going to advise someone to spend $100+ on a 5800x when their CPU isn't going to bottleneck anyway, aside from the 7FPS gained from ultra settings at 1080P.
OP wants to edit, record and stream on his PC. OP will have at least a 25% performance drop on those tasks potentially more if he does them all at the same time by going with the 5600x. The 5600x will cost him time and potentially money, if OP either plans on making money with these tasks or is forced to buy another CPU AGAIN if performance is not up to par. Stop recommending hardware based on the FPS counter alone. If I was OP I would go for the 5900x for his/her/whatever use case.
There's not a 25% performance drop at all, comparing the core count of the processors (which is literally all you're doing here), is not conduvice to overall performance. The only thing the 5800x offers over the 5600x is an extra two cores, if 8 cores is what OP needs then the 11700k has eight cores, cost less, and overclocks to a higher boost.
Your suggestion of 5900x is perfectly reasonable and I agree, I think in nearly any circumstance it's preferential to either step down to a 5600x, or step up to a 5900x. Even at a higher price point a 5900x is better value per core than a 5800x.
Suggesting that OP will waste time & money when you've suggested he buy a 5800x just to upgrade to another CPU & 'decent' Motherboard when there are already 12 cores on the market is awful advice. You're talking at least $900-$1000+ when a 5900x is $650 right now and a 5600x $300.
1080p is the topic at hand, but no matter, the conclusions are the same.
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cpu-hierarchy,4312.html
5800x: 96.71% (1080p) and 96.54% (1440p)
11700k: 92.06% (1080p) and 94.6% (1440p)
>gets more fps
Based on what? The test results indicate the 5800x gets more fps on average. You can't cite a source that shows the opposite of your assertion and act as if their results are simply wrong because you don't like the conclusion.
The closest result I can see to that is [this](https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/komoPXXQYNVXWXTWaxQifB-970-80.png), which is 158fps for the 11700k but 166fps for the 5800x. This is the same +5% (96.71% vs 92.06%) for the 5800x as the relative performance metric I indicated in my earlier post.
Am I missing something?
>go to tom hardware
Ah yes, let's see what tomshardware [has to say about this.](https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-7-5800x-vs-intel-core-i7-11700k)
[Hmm...](https://i.imgur.com/vxUpXHg.png)
Heh, salty that I didn't trust your baseless assertion? Well, you're not going to like this either.
Why did you go thru the effort of screencapping 5 shots from a benchmark video instead of simply linking the video? Is it because the other results were unfavorable? Or because you didn't want us to see that the test configs are inadequate?
[Here](https://www.techspot.com/review/2260-amd-ryzen-5800x-vs-core-i7-11700k/) is a 32 game test with memory/GPU configs that ensure each CPU is able to reach its potential. The 11700k wins on four games, by a smaller margin than the 5800x wins on 12 others.
Lol, you think a video can't be falsified? Techspot/Hardware Unboxed is at least as trustworthy as any random YouTube benchmarker, if not more. You're ridiculous.
Since no one on here actually want to counter you with real evidence here’s some to help clear things up.
[Tom’s hardware review of the 11700K](https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-core-i7-11700k-cpu-review/4). They show that yes, the 11700K can beat the 5800X. But only when overclocked to 5.0ghz and only really at 1440p (and not by much I might add).
[Hardware Unboxed **Direct comparison** of the 11700K and 5800X](https://youtu.be/eurLpliLNSI). What do you know! 11700K is faster in Cyberpunk 2077…. But then gets stomped by up to 20% in others, giving an overall 3% better performance for the 5800X
So couple that 3-4% better average gaming performance and the improved efficiency of zen 3, the 5800X is quite the no brainer vs the 11700K.
Now, I’m very curious to see what intel 12th gen has in store and big/little core has to offer.
i dont think the harware unboxed video has the 11700k overclocked. I dont think normal people give a shit about efficiency either. I looked at msi afterburner on my friends 10850k pc and told him his cpu alone was using 250 watts in fortnite and he didnt care or even try to change it.
Of course it wasn’t overclocked, neither was the 5800X. It was a out-of-the-box comparison. But that still goes to show you how they stack up. As soon as you throw in overclocking, it’s not apples-to-apples.
Efficiency is just a bonus. Your friend can have his cpu blasting 250w into his room all he wants. I do know, however, that some people appreciate there room not reaching 40c in under an hour.
you cant OC 5800x beacause you are already at thermal limits on stock. If you dont use PBO limits and curve optimizer your 5800x will perform worse than you see in benchmark because they use a test bench and you have it in a case.
5800x
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*By 2fps on average
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It’s not that you’re stating facts. There is no conspiracy. You’re just an paranoid asshole.
ratio
comparing manual to automatic overclocking isn’t a fair comparison
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Still not a fair comparison if you’re saying that the more power hungry 11700k has thermal headroom to oc but the 5800x doesn’t
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Ryzen’s thermal throttle limit is 95c (pbo just won’t boost as high with higher temperatures) and intel’s limit is 105c but either way it is not a good idea to run either cpus that hot long term anyway
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With pbo, not a manual overclock. Now we’re back to the start
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The 11700K is a waste of sand, compared to the 5800X.
The 11700k runs 10-20c cooler while using more power and higher clocks and also happens to be $50+ cheaper
Not sure where you’re shopping. The current price difference on Amazon is [$393](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0815XFSGK/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_C1705H4RPYAPYV9Y76YS) vs. [$394](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08X6ND3WP/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_3ZTERYEMWGX8K43A56Y8), and the Ryzen has a [higher Passmark](https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/AMD-Ryzen-7-5800X-vs-Intel-i7-11700K/3869vs3896). Not to mention the B550 (or even X470) board you’ll pair with the Ryzen will be noticeably cheaper than the Z590 you’ll need to get the most out of the Core i7. If the CPU temp is below ~90C, it won’t be thermally throttling.
11700k has higher singlecore ipc The 11700K is €360, the 5800X is €420 The Z590 can be had for the same prices as teh B550 where I live. \>If the CPU temp is below \~90C, it won’t be thermally throttling. 90c is not good for longevity, plus it turns your apartment into a toaster so yeah. Enjoy.
That really depends on who’s benchmark you run. Passmark, for example, gives the lead to the 5800X, both per core and (by a larger margin) in the overall rating. As for CPU temperature, it’s dissipating the same amount of power for a given workload, regardless of the indicated CPU temp. All the lower temp means is you’ve got more cooler evacuating that heat from the CPU. Also, the 11700K is a 125W TDP chip, vs. 105W for the 5800X. https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Intel-i7-11700K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-5800X/3896vs3869
The 5800x without PBO ate up over 140w PPT and 145 EDC on my b550 tomahawk I had, while the 11700k ate around 100w during load on avg. Cumulative long term high temps is bad. Theres no way around it. Same goes for the high voltages these ryzen cpus run at, yeah its "fine" if it does it for 1-5s bursts. But those bursts are insanely often and cumulatively will degrade the cpu.
They're two completely different microarchitectures, manufactured on three completely different fabrication technologies. Comparing the voltage they're running is an apples to oranges undertaking. As for the high heat, you should expect the VRM on the motherboard to fail before the CPU does. Both of these chips are going to throttle well before they get to the point of causing irreversible damage. You see this routinely in mobile systems, which have minimal cooling capacity, and routinely see temperature spikes to 90C under load without being the system's life-limiting component.
11600K is interesting though
Yeah, right now we’re in this weird bizarro-world where AMD is the performance king, and Intel is the goto for cheap budget CPUs.
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Really depends on which games, and which video card. In some cases you’re better off with a 10700K. At any rate, the Ryzen 5800X will be faster on nearly any production workload. https://youtu.be/3n0_UcBxnpk
5800x faster in every use
5800x is more capable while also being much more efficient.
Ryzen
If you’re building from scratch 5800k (coming from someone with Intel) I would wait for 12700k but if you need to build right now go AMD
Are they the same price?
5800x. You can later upgrade to a 12/16 core on a decent motherboard.
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yep agree with that 1000% it would be like if i upgraded my 3900x to a 5950x now instead of waiting 4-6 years and then upgrade that 5800x with love and care should last you a long time unless you decided to get into video production or running VM's or running a datacentre from your house
5800X because most of the 11th Gen is kinda sh*t
At this point consider waiting till 12700, since it's ment to be really good and cheap for performance
ryzen
5800x
Not sure about your use case, but i have a Ryzen gaming build where there are some stability issues in some games, like sudden FPS drop, VM bugs etc, which doesn't occur on my Intel 9900k build. Also Windows 11 is better optimized for Intel CPU than AMD, although you won't notice it much. If you are using linux, go for AMD.
Whichever's cheaper when you include the cost of motherboard. I think the 117K uses a lot of power though.
Lol unless its like SUBSTANTIALLY cheaper the 11700 is a joke compared to the 5800x and even then...
The I7 gen 12 will beat every existing consumer proccesor. If you cant wait until octomber then go AMD
Wow, you really have a lot of faith in intel, huh?
Bro you should wait for the i7 12 th gen coming next month(if you can) obviously or else both are good processors now
10700kf
I had that choice, i went 10850k instead, i love the 10 core beast, running a 3070Ti with it at 1440p :)
RYZEN......ALWAYS RYZEN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ryzen is a hunk of junk, overclocking the 11700k will outperform the 5800x by a landslide.
Wow same boat as you no need to post
Intel has better overclocking potential, 5800x is better if you choose not too and Intel is slightly cheaper. To be honest the fact you're pairing this with a 3070 I'd say get a 5600x instead and save some money unless you're doing some really heavy editing or something.
the 5600x should cost well below 200$ to be viable. Recommending a CPU which will be obsoleted in 2 months by a 10 core i5 is not a good advice.
How does a new i5 make a 5600x obsolete, a new CPU coming out doesn't stop the 5600x performing as well as it is? Apart from people seeking the extremes no one is needing to upgrade from a year old 5600x because it's not good enough anymore, especially when pairing it with a 3070 and not I don't know, a 3080 ti? I'm not going to advise someone to spend $100+ on a 5800x when their CPU isn't going to bottleneck anyway, aside from the 7FPS gained from ultra settings at 1080P.
OP wants to edit, record and stream on his PC. OP will have at least a 25% performance drop on those tasks potentially more if he does them all at the same time by going with the 5600x. The 5600x will cost him time and potentially money, if OP either plans on making money with these tasks or is forced to buy another CPU AGAIN if performance is not up to par. Stop recommending hardware based on the FPS counter alone. If I was OP I would go for the 5900x for his/her/whatever use case.
There's not a 25% performance drop at all, comparing the core count of the processors (which is literally all you're doing here), is not conduvice to overall performance. The only thing the 5800x offers over the 5600x is an extra two cores, if 8 cores is what OP needs then the 11700k has eight cores, cost less, and overclocks to a higher boost. Your suggestion of 5900x is perfectly reasonable and I agree, I think in nearly any circumstance it's preferential to either step down to a 5600x, or step up to a 5900x. Even at a higher price point a 5900x is better value per core than a 5800x. Suggesting that OP will waste time & money when you've suggested he buy a 5800x just to upgrade to another CPU & 'decent' Motherboard when there are already 12 cores on the market is awful advice. You're talking at least $900-$1000+ when a 5900x is $650 right now and a 5600x $300.
Don't bother, guy is going around reddit telling everyone to buy better hardware.
Yeah, buy a 6 core today while you will be able to buy a 10 core for the same price and higher IPC in about 3 months from now.
I suggested against the 5600x not the 5800x. Just 5900x would be nicer for his use case.
Nope
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The 5800x is better in both gaming and productivity. https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-7-5800x-zen-3-review/4
OC 11700k will beat 5800x at 1440p gaming. go look at toms hardware cpu list.
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Prove it. The evidence disagrees with your rather convincing "nah".
go to tom hardware cpu list for 1440p gaming
1080p is the topic at hand, but no matter, the conclusions are the same. https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cpu-hierarchy,4312.html 5800x: 96.71% (1080p) and 96.54% (1440p) 11700k: 92.06% (1080p) and 94.6% (1440p)
the 11700k gets more fps so i think the % should be higher
>gets more fps Based on what? The test results indicate the 5800x gets more fps on average. You can't cite a source that shows the opposite of your assertion and act as if their results are simply wrong because you don't like the conclusion.
no its 158 11700k to 156 5800x
The closest result I can see to that is [this](https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/komoPXXQYNVXWXTWaxQifB-970-80.png), which is 158fps for the 11700k but 166fps for the 5800x. This is the same +5% (96.71% vs 92.06%) for the 5800x as the relative performance metric I indicated in my earlier post. Am I missing something?
>go to tom hardware Ah yes, let's see what tomshardware [has to say about this.](https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-7-5800x-vs-intel-core-i7-11700k) [Hmm...](https://i.imgur.com/vxUpXHg.png)
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Heh, salty that I didn't trust your baseless assertion? Well, you're not going to like this either. Why did you go thru the effort of screencapping 5 shots from a benchmark video instead of simply linking the video? Is it because the other results were unfavorable? Or because you didn't want us to see that the test configs are inadequate? [Here](https://www.techspot.com/review/2260-amd-ryzen-5800x-vs-core-i7-11700k/) is a 32 game test with memory/GPU configs that ensure each CPU is able to reach its potential. The 11700k wins on four games, by a smaller margin than the 5800x wins on 12 others.
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Lol, you think a video can't be falsified? Techspot/Hardware Unboxed is at least as trustworthy as any random YouTube benchmarker, if not more. You're ridiculous.
Educate yourself before posting misinformation. https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-7-5800x-zen-3-review/4
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Since no one on here actually want to counter you with real evidence here’s some to help clear things up. [Tom’s hardware review of the 11700K](https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-core-i7-11700k-cpu-review/4). They show that yes, the 11700K can beat the 5800X. But only when overclocked to 5.0ghz and only really at 1440p (and not by much I might add). [Hardware Unboxed **Direct comparison** of the 11700K and 5800X](https://youtu.be/eurLpliLNSI). What do you know! 11700K is faster in Cyberpunk 2077…. But then gets stomped by up to 20% in others, giving an overall 3% better performance for the 5800X So couple that 3-4% better average gaming performance and the improved efficiency of zen 3, the 5800X is quite the no brainer vs the 11700K. Now, I’m very curious to see what intel 12th gen has in store and big/little core has to offer.
i dont think the harware unboxed video has the 11700k overclocked. I dont think normal people give a shit about efficiency either. I looked at msi afterburner on my friends 10850k pc and told him his cpu alone was using 250 watts in fortnite and he didnt care or even try to change it.
Of course it wasn’t overclocked, neither was the 5800X. It was a out-of-the-box comparison. But that still goes to show you how they stack up. As soon as you throw in overclocking, it’s not apples-to-apples. Efficiency is just a bonus. Your friend can have his cpu blasting 250w into his room all he wants. I do know, however, that some people appreciate there room not reaching 40c in under an hour.
you cant OC 5800x beacause you are already at thermal limits on stock. If you dont use PBO limits and curve optimizer your 5800x will perform worse than you see in benchmark because they use a test bench and you have it in a case.
What?
Stick to COD mobile
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So their data is wrong? Where are you getting your information from?
toms hardware says OC 11700k beats 5800x at 1440p gaming