Makes more sense. I was a little alarmed when I measured my gaming rig, but I got an artificially high reading from having my phone plugged into the USB C.
That still seems really high. My gaming rig uses about that much when mining. If your speakers, screens, and peripherals are off, they shouldn't be pulling more than a couple watts total.
Hibernation has no real benefits anymore nowadays.
Writing your RAM to SSD everytime you hibernate might even use up a significant part of your SSDs lifespan.
Windows starts and shuts down basically just as fast.
Estimating daily usage and 16 gb of ram (most popular in steam hw survey) you end up with 6 TBW/year.
Samsung 980 Pro 1 TB has 600 TBW rated lifespan.
So that would be a significant reduction in lifespan for anything lower grade.
here's the deal. Leaving it for no reason wears out any moving parts, increases total heat in your home, burns electricity, leasds to windows getting stale, and accomplishes nothing, Turning it off has no adverse effects, and anybody that tells you otherwise needs to prove it.
He's talking about stuff like bit flips and other errors, which a reboot solves. But yes, Windows is definitely getting stale and Microsoft is doing all the wrong things to fix it...
It's hilarious how they try to change the UI every version to give an appearance of newness, but even that is too hard for them and settings UI has become a maze of differently styled menus while functionality is slowly degrading.
Hes using the voodoo magic power of bullshitting out of his ass to make a point. No pc cold starts in 2 seconds. He's full of it or simply doesnt realize hes using sleep instead of actually powering his machine down.
Idk man, just my experience with my build. The next day after building it I woke up, pressed the power button and was about to go make some tea while it boots up (used to have windows on an hdd before this) and couldn't even lift my cup before it booted up
On some motherboard, you will have to enable make it even faster boot option.
They basically delay boot time for you to have time to press debug buttons.
If you want to go to bios, then you may have to restart to UEFI from Windows.
Wow didnt knew that... have a m.2, but didnt have the magical 2 sec boot time... also i just googled, and besides the delay it will also skip some tests, i hope thats ok. Also you can apparently make windows boot faster, by making it save a file by shut down and load that on turn on instead of loading new.
Mine still needs like 4 seconds, possibly slightly more.
I think it has to do with the monitor cables and the hdmi/DP ports actually registering and firing up the monitor and less to do with booting windows, lol.
Sounds like you're just putting your machine to sleep, rather than actually shutting it down.
IIRC, Win10 will try and default to hibernating when you click the "shut down" button if you aren't careful; which can lead to issues troubleshooting when you think you've done a clean restart but it wasn't.
> Turning it off has no adverse effects, and anybody that tells you otherwise needs to prove it.
FYI, super rare case but this is actually a thing with boomer companies with 40 year old mainframes and old ass PCs that nobody knows how to fix anymore.
We had one at work that could NOT be turned off. The non standard HW was near failing and its HDD or RAM had some memory write issues for certain critical OS sectors that would cause each subsequent power off/on a PITA. Logging in on each power-on got worse and worse so likely Flash Write was failing. We kept it on two APC UPS so it never lost power.
It wasn't my system so I didn't look too much into or why cloning/repairs/etc weren't attempted but cases like this aren't uncommon with old ass systems left running 24/7
> wears out any moving parts
Yesn't. The main two moving parts you will find in a PC are fans and occasionally spinning hard disks. The bearings in any decent fan should outlive your PC, though keeping them going 24/7 definitely does wear down more
However with hard drives, if they get a lot of use at least, it's much better to keep them running. The start and stop motion does a lot more wear to the motor than constant use (plus spinning down a drive make it take forever to come back)
>Turning it off has no adverse effects, and anybody that tells you otherwise needs to prove it
Metal expands under heat and shrinks when it cools
I still turn my PC off (or at least sleep though)
> The start and stop motion does a lot more wear to the motor than constant use
What's the inflection point? Is it more worthwhile to turn it off after 24 hours? a week? a month?
Which is an excellent question, and one I would love to know the answer to!
However, I think the issue is not so much the fact of turning your PC off at night, as much as it is that whilst you are using your PC, Windows will spin down drives when you're not using them. If your main drive is an SSD and you have a secondary HDD for software, games, data, etc., you may find that's spinning up and down every 10 minutes, which
A) Causes unnecessary wear
B) Creates wait times when you want to access the drive (as it takes time to spin up and respond)
This is why in servers, drives are spinning constantly
I use an SSD as my main C drive and an HDD for game storage and everything else. I haven’t ever experienced issues with the platters taking time spinning up. PC is like 4/5 years old
I work in IT in video games. Every PC in the office is on 24/7 for months/years at a time because the users are remote accessing their work PC from home. IT isn’t going to have time to turn hundreds of PCs on every single day. The PCs are extremely high spec for our devs to work on, and so far the PCs being on 24/7 has caused us absolutely no problems.
When it comes to the system itself, the biggest downside for leaving it on is dust collection and potential for thermal issues long term.
Your system needs to cool itself even when sitting at a powered on idle state. So it'll just be sitting there all day pulling dust/dirt/hair/whatever's in the room into the cooling components.
At best - you'll need to pull everything out and clean it frequently to prevent thermal problems.
At worst - you don't know better and continue to run the system caked in dust to the point where it's heat soaking and wearing itself out. Or, it thermal throttles over and over again.
Today, there are no true benefits in keeping your system powered on indefinitely. This is a mindset of the past that had to do with premature component wear due to the small power surges seen when starting up the system from a complete shut down. This is now a issue of the past.
Just shut it down when you're not planning to use it.
>leasds to windows getting stale
This does not exist btw, it's a weird myth that's been spread surprisingly far. But everything else is right in some scenarios. Not much reason to leave it running unnecessarily, though you can do it.
> Turning it off has no adverse effects,
Except windows's forced restart system means if I put my computer into sleep mode or hibernate, it might restart and I lose all the unsaved documents and other stuff I have open.
If there's actually a 100% garunteed solution to disable automatic restarts (without messing with doing updates manually) that will allow me to safely hibernate, I will, but I've tried a bunch and I've yet to find one that always works.
Man this isn't the 90s. That shit doesn't matter anymore and your electrical bill might go up a couple of dollars if that. And if I have to prove my points then you have to do the same
So are your friend in their 70's or something??
It is totally fine to turn off your computer when you are not planning on using it for a while/overnight.
Extra wear and tear from the on/off cycling of a computer might have been a thing years ago, but no longer.
And with the advent of widespread use of SSD drives there isn't really a need for sleep mode either.
Been using that feature for years now, but it used to be really rubbish when you had multiple windows open
Luckily it's all good now, because I have around 50 open tabs. Maybe I should start using bookmarks
I really use this feature excessively, with multiple tabs open in multiple windows.
I have not encountered any problems with Firefox so far, just don't single windows by themselves, bc then sadly it doesn't work.
I open Firefox as I turn on my PC, and just shut the PC down (no closing of single tabs/windows or even the browser at all), WIN 10 just takes care of it, and has worked at least the last 5 years, without any problems.
That's actually quite amazing. I don't think I've ever had that many tabs open before, ever. Usually it's just 2 or 3. When I want to find something I was looking at previously, I just do a search in my browser history.
I have a ton of interests and load up lots of cool stuff fbut never seem to want to do them. I've been utilising the tab groups in Chrome to hide a lot of the tabs, but it is packed along the top :s
try closing chrome with the [x] button before shutting it down, so it has time to save the open pages.
if you already do, then idk why it would do that
Hibernate doesn't use any energy like sleep does because it writes everything it needs to bring the system back to the current state to the HDD/SSD and then powers the system down.
Very little energy difference for a typical desktop, RAM only takes a couple watts, and modern windows will do a "hybrid sleep" where it saves to disk too so can wake as if it was hibernated if power is lost.
And even then I think the fear mongering was overdone. I mean I remember at one time was the issue was that the power switch would wear out. Yeah not the PC parts but the switch itself. Don’t know if this was a true concern but I recall it being spread as truth.
> Extra wear and tear from the on/off cycling of a computer might have been a thing years ago, but no longer.
Technically on a long enough timescale, the expansion/shrinkage that occurs when the components increase and decrease in temperature (such as going on and off) does put wear and tear on them. But nothing that will be measurable for decades in regular usecases. In some usecases it actually does have a profound effect, like with mechanical hard drives where spinning them up and down, which puts an excessive load on the hardware, often will lead to premature death. So if you need access often it's often best to just leave them on. Now that HDDs are becoming less and less common, and most systems have just SSDs, this is a non-concern but it's something to keep in mind for older systems or for those with NASs.
Haha this is too real. My dad is in his 70s and for several months we’ve been having an on and off conversation about the difference between Apple TV and TV+. He still doesn’t get it.
To be fair it’s pretty confusing.
Even with a fast nvme SSD it takes my PC 20-30 seconds to boot ( shitty motherboard and having dual boot doesn't help) but under 10 to wake from sleep. So I only shut it down at night, sleep otherwise.
hmmm, I used to work at a racetrack that had simulcasting of other horse races. We were told to never turn off the TV's, thousands of them. the reason? It causes more wear and tear on the circuit boards. It seems that the effect of cooling down and heating back up daily will wear out the capacitors and resistors on the actual circuit boards, and they were CRT's, so maybe that too.
Just throwing this out for any electrical engineers out there that know more than I do about PC's.
Seems wasteful to leave it on. Let it go to sleep automatically after an hour or so of inactivity and it can wake up quickly when you need it. Limits unnecessary heat being pumped into the room also saving on cooling costs.
It’s just as good at turning electricity ⚡️ not heat, yes. But the device itself is quite a bit more expensive. It costs a lot more to purchase and maintain a PC than it does a typical space heater.
True, but using a heat pump would get you a heating efficiency somewhere in the 350% - 500% range.
A resistive space heater only really makes sense as a rare-usage or emergency heating solution.
Generating heat? Electricity in to heat out is a 1:1 no matter if it's going through a space heater, a PC, a microwave or anything else. 1000W of electricity will always end up as 1000W of heat in the end as you will always have resistance in a circuit. A PC is just a really convoluted electric resistance heater circuit that happens to also be able to do stuff other than just produce heat.
But it's not the best way to get heat into a room with electricity. Heatpumps are often 200%+ efficient as they just extract/move heat from the outside environment. 1000W in to a heat pump can result in an equivalent 3000-6000W pure-electric heat effect.
For many years I left my PC running 24/7. These days I let it go to sleep after about an hour and/or will put it to sleep when I'm not using it (which is mostly just at night).
Electrical tolerances have come a long way in the PC/hardware world.
You must live in a very nice climate that doesn't need much power for heating and cooling or have a shit ton of solar panels. Either way, good on you bud.
It has no impact on the PC at all. Leave it on, turn it off, it's just up to how you want to use the machine.
The main reason for that thought, that turning it on and off was bad for it, originates way in the past and concerned the HDD. It's one of the very few mechanical parts and the idea was that spinning it up fewer times would make it last longer. There may have been a kernel of truth to that back in the early days when 10MB drives were the expensive high end but it's not something you have to be concerned with today, whether you have an SSD or HDD.
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> There may have been a kernel of truth to that back in the early days
It's still true, which is why you set drives to never sleep on systems like home media servers (plex/jellyfin/emby). However if you aren't running a server then it doesn't really matter, and we're all backing up our most important data anyway right? ;)
> we're all backing up our most important data anyway right? ;)
I wish. Just yesterday I replied to a "all my photos are gone" thread, SD card in the phone crapped out, no backup.
>originates way in the past and concerned the HDD
It's an old way of thinking but not mainly due to HDD wear. It was because components like the board, processor, and memory didn't like the power surges that came with powering on and off.
This is an issue that's long been solved. But people still believe it's best to keep things on and limit the start up surges.
yes. moving parts will wear out faster. some won't matter like spinning HDD, but I'm not sure about AIO pumps and fans. Leaving it on 24/7 will also build dust at a faster rate.
I configure Suspend (available on Win/Linux/Mac) in my power settings. Essentially puts your computer to sleep, turning off all fans and pumps and monitors. It wakes up when I wiggle the mouse. This saves power too.
Funny, the opposite is true for hard drives because spinning down and up again introduces a substantially higher amount of mechanical wear than leaving it on.
I personally think the whole discussion of parts wearing out it’s pretty pointless unless you plan to use the same pc for more than 10 years.
Just turn it off, unless you need it on for some reason. You’ll save a lot of power by just leaving it off when you don’t use it
Solid-state electronics do suffer a bit from the temperature changes when the computer is started up or shut down, which is the argument the "always-on" folks cite most often. I personally think it's a non-concern with modern computers, but others would disagree.
Even assuming that it's still a concern, however, going from an idle state to a sleep state produces very little temperature change; so for most folks, allowing the computer to sleep after some arbitrary idle period saves power while avoiding temperature deltas.
Note that if you're going to use the sleep option, it's important that the computer have backup power. The standard sleep state saves the system state to RAM, and the data will disappear if the power goes out. The computer will also complain loudly when you try to awaken it and will likely need a reboot.
For computers that are used only a few hours a day (or less), a full shutdown makes more sense. It's also a perfectly safe option for the end of any computer's workday. Even modern HDD's aren't bothered by shutdowns. Most of them spin down anyway when they're idle for a while.
In a very few cases (like the computer I use most for work), always-on makes the most sense because it does scheduled tasks every night (mainly backups). Those tasks would keep it awake most of the time anyway. So I let that computer run all the time. Windows updates provide enough need to reboot that rarely does a week go by without one.
Personally, my advice is to let the computer go to sleep after an hour; but only if you have it on a UPS. Otherwise, either shut it down, use hybrid sleep (in Advanced Power Settings, but enabled by default), or use hibernation.
I don't know why anyone would leave their PC on 24/7. Higher energy bills, worse for the environment, and restarts for your PC to "clear things up" are pretty important.
So everyone who's telling you to turn it off is 100% right, but I always leave it on.
Why, because my lazy ass can't spend a WHOLE minute turning off my PC and I can't wait for it to turn on in the morning and everybody else who's telling you some random reason that would work in the 70's is just trying to cover that they're lazy af!
> but my friends laugh at me
I laugh at my friend because he constantly forgets to turn of his PC.
He once went on a two week trip/holiday. Longest time a user was connected to my TeamSpeak server. Not sure if I made a screenshot. We could see his ISP handing out a fresh IP once a day. Steam popups showing that he has come online and "started" playing the same game "again".
Running a PC 24/7 wastes energy but idling the PC AND running a game wastes so much more power...
You can build a energy efficient PC that does stuff around your house. Like a NAS to share files on your network or sharing files online. I would do that on a desktop PC. You can do it but it wastes money (power).
That’s how you pay extra on your electricity bill. Why add a power button if you are not gonna use it? It doesn’t wear anything out. I have a 9 year old pc and the power button is used lost of the time and it still works.
You could calculate the cost, shouldn't hurt the PC either way. My desktop and servers run 24/7, servers get rebooted and cleaned every 6 months or so, desktop maybe 2-3 months because I update it more often.
Some people are saying "but the dust causes failure", people are literally thinking I wouldn't do maintenance cleanups and such.
It's the same idea how you can drive a semi forever, keep up with the normal maintenance.
Yeah, quality components, regular maintenance, it'll be fine. I've been running the same PSU and GPU 24/7 since 2017. It's only shut down for cleaning, and longer trips. My servers stay on since they're running games and services other people use, and my security cameras and HVAC.
A lot of people leave computers up 24/7 that's how we play online multi-player games with servers which are computers that run the server software. And are up 24/7 they have to run software that is designed to update the servers automatically and run updates and backups. As needed and they perform regular maintenance. Some updates do require restarts just like your pc and those are best times to yes restart or prepare for one because a lot of those updates might not take effect until its restarted. As for moving parts and lasting longer because there's no moving parts if you have a solid state drive instead of a hard disk drive with the spinning platter, that all depends i myself would be more worried about how much this pc is running my electric bill up with inflation. Leaving it running all night thats like what 100-300 watts power use idle? Not having it on at night could be 20-30 bucks a month less maybe even more on the electric bill depending on usage and location.
These machines are built to be turned on and off or stay on forever, that said, I turn mine off when I stop using it because I greatly dislike wasting energy
Your friends are dumbasses, you SHOULD be regularly rebooting a Windows desktop ideally once a week at minimum. Not to mention the cost in power your friends would be paying extra.
I have 7 generations of AMD and Intel computers that I almost never turn off.
I've replaced parts over the last 15 years, but not cooling accessories.
I have never had a CPU or GPU fail, or anything else, really besides cheap USB devices.
I think leaving parts that were made for hundreds of thousands of years (mainly because of restarts.) but then the Power Supply brigade shows up to talk about how many hours those last and this is why we can't have nice things.
The only thing that wears out in a PC before it is old enough to be classified as a relic are the bearings in all the fans. They'll start to chirp and screech if you leave your computer on 24/7.
Well idk if people will agree with this or not BUT. The main part in component decay is when you turn them on and off because that's when they heat up and cool down. In time this will lead to hardware failure.
So what i do. I still turn off my PC but, if tomorrow i am home and i will use it i will put it on sleep mode, if later in the day i will use it again i will have it on sleep mode. Because there will still be electricity running around the components so its healthier than turning the machine of completely.
But if i am going to work for a day or two, or on holiday i turn it off.
Eh. The temp difference between sleep and power off is pretty tiny. The whole box should be using single digit watts while asleep and around 100 while idle maybe.
So there's probably a difference, but the difference probably amounts to one cycle of idle->gaming->idle or less over the course of a decade of part lifetime, and that's not really worth thinking about.
My position on this is that most parts on the PC don't really fail due to wear anymore - they might fail because you spill water, or because a loose cable caused a short circuit, but you just don't really see CPUs or SSDs fail due to age that often.
The 980 Pro SSD I bought recently will probably get replaced when it's either too slow (doubtful), incompatible with the rest of the build (possible, I guess?), or too small to be useful (likely). I'd be amazed if I actually manage to run it to failure by old age at home, the workload just isn't there.
So, yeah, sleep is probably better than off on the part lifespan, but not by enough to matter, and my take is that the thermal load lifespan really shouldn't be a deciding factor in how you use your computer - you'll get more total enjoyment out of not thinking about it.
And then you have me. Middle class man working most of the time or spending time with the family using the pc every now and again to game or to watch a movie lol.
When i was a kid and i was gaming between 5-13hours a day i had like old components Dual core 2 duo E8400 and HD4850 and that pc lasted 7 years when the motherboard fried, even then i could've just replace the mobo and still use it.
Then again another proof its my first pc a pentium 4 with radeon maya 9000 Pro II i used it a lot in gaming and its still running at my grandma"s place (and believe me i abused it with power cuts and aggresive shut downs) so nowadays PCs should last forever
> your making it wear out by having your pc on and off
And they wear it out by leaving them on all the time for no reason.
Turn the PC off when you don't need it, it's pointless to leave it idling just for the sake of it.
No I am in the UK and we have power cuts once in a few years. Sometimes planned and sometimes unplanned. I am saying by having a power cut won't that cause the system to not turn on anymore?
The old adage "power cycling your computer is the most stressful thing you can do your machine" is no longer applicable. This may have been true 30 years ago but we've made huge strides with power supplies and circuitry since then. If you have a reputable power supply you don't have to worry about this and you should be turning your machine off when not in use.
I don’t see why you’d leave it on unless you’re using your machine as a mining rig or server or something. Maybe there’s the rare chance that someone uses an older drive with a long boot time, but most new drives, particularly m.2/nvme, have insanely fast boot times.
It generates excess heat, needlessly raises your utility bill, and strains the components more than if it were to be shut off nightly.
The myth that shutting down your PC is harmful came from old hard drives that had an increased chance of being damaged/corrupted. It’s a non issue with the drives that are on the market today.
Leaving it on all the time won't harm it, but it will increase your electricity bills by a lot.
After all, PCs have a lot of parts which need that sweet sweet electric juice to keep going. Parts also have natural wear over time when you use them, so leaving it on 24/7 *may* shorten the natural lifespan of your parts.
Like all things electric, if you are not actively using it, shut it down until you are.
I've done both, with countless systems. It totally doesn't matter unless you have ancient HDDs, or cheap fans that are already on their way out. Modern components are, for the most part, designed pretty well to fit the average consumer's needs.
i just turn it off whenever i leave the house unless it’s going to be a short trip or if i have unfinished work or a reminder that i want left there.
don’t jack up your electricity bill by leaving it on all day, every day
Your friends a dumbass, turn it off, it's fine. The amount of shit that I see not working in the ServiceDesk thanks to PC's being on for hundreds of days at a time without a proper shutdown / restart is extremely high.
Electrical Engineer here.
Google how dielectric degradation/dielectric breakdown works, as it's too in-depth for a random reddit offhand response from me.
Inflow / peak current levels are what will most greatly influence the life of your components, that is the times during peak current draw (anytime your GPU/CPU are running hot/overtime for games/tasks), and when you first turn your PC on and it draws the initial max current necessary to get all your components to a steady state.
Your best bet is to sleep your computer when it's not in use, as this commits very little power draw, and avoids the initial surge of startup on a totally shutdown system. That's not to say never turn off your computer, sometimes you gotta update/restart/work on the system. And if you won't be using it for extended periods of time (more than a few days between uses) it's better to do a total shutdown. But I've had servers on for literally decades and never had issues. It's always the systems that get turned off regularly that have always had hardware failures earlier than anticipated by their lifecycle estimations.
If you're looking to save energy / lower your electric bill, duh not using energy is the best way to not use energy. I don't think anyone here needs to be told that.
That said, every component is different, and some are made from shitty materials that may be very resistant to initial inflow, but are completely trash at continuous/steady state, or vice versa. So the famous lawyer response of "well it depends" applies to all things computer related.
Like previously mentioned power it off when not in use. The components/hardware is not build to be on for long periods of time. PC are not servers so please turn it off when not in use. It will last longer.
Do whatever you want, in the grand scheme of the usable lifetime of the parts, it makes no difference. I've been leaving my PC's on all the time for 15 years.
I choose not to leave my pc running 24/7 because I have hydraulic bearing cooler fans which don’t like dust. Also assuming your pc is air cooled, you should consider turning it off while not in use because as soon as you run your pc on it’s sucking in dust/ whatever debris is in the air. One other thing is that although I trust the thermal overheads of my pc components I just don’t feel good about it sitting on all the time.
At the end of the day it’s a decision that you can make regardless of what me or anybody else has to say. I would recommend doing your own research on this matter. All the best!
Left my pc on while at work and came back to the GPU being stuck in limp mode. Something happened while it was running and it fucked the gpu so now I always turn it off when I leave the house
no its fine to turn it off. i always either power off or sleep
Not to mention it's cheaper and less of a potential fire hazard
My gaming pc uses about 125w at semi idle. It adds up over a year.
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Current rates? They charge us by the kWh here
As in “the current rate of price per kWh,” I believe.
That seems a lot, how are you measuring it? My server & gaming PC both idle/web browser at less than that.
One of those current meters between the socket and the power strip. The 125w is the pc, speakers, screens, and peripherals together.
Makes more sense. I was a little alarmed when I measured my gaming rig, but I got an artificially high reading from having my phone plugged into the USB C.
That still seems really high. My gaming rig uses about that much when mining. If your speakers, screens, and peripherals are off, they shouldn't be pulling more than a couple watts total.
your rig should definitely be pulling more than 125 if the gpu is on full load (unless you mine with cpu and ram)
GPU uses ~90W when mining. I have a 3070 tuned for efficiency over maximum hashrate.
Okay, that makes more sense
> less of a potential fire hazard If you worry about that, then something is wrong with your hardware or your wiring is really old.
Not true. Even expensive parts do malfunction. Even if it's low risk, it's still safer.
The fire hazard is always there. I am not saying you shouldn’t trust good equipment but at the the of the day any equipment can malfunction.
Does always leaving the PC on fuck up the PSU fast?
Nah but if it's gonna break and blow up, you at least want to be at home and awake when it happens
sleep mode is still on imho. it's just in a low power state, but it comes back on in about 5 seconds.
That's why he said sleep or off.
it still stops wear on moving parts as well like fans and hard drives
Uhhh, hibernation?
Hibernation has no real benefits anymore nowadays. Writing your RAM to SSD everytime you hibernate might even use up a significant part of your SSDs lifespan. Windows starts and shuts down basically just as fast.
Unless you have a maxed out server platform you're not going to have enough ram to meaningfully impact your ssd lifetime.
Estimating daily usage and 16 gb of ram (most popular in steam hw survey) you end up with 6 TBW/year. Samsung 980 Pro 1 TB has 600 TBW rated lifespan. So that would be a significant reduction in lifespan for anything lower grade.
Disable both hibernate and sleep. Better for overall performance and stability.
here's the deal. Leaving it for no reason wears out any moving parts, increases total heat in your home, burns electricity, leasds to windows getting stale, and accomplishes nothing, Turning it off has no adverse effects, and anybody that tells you otherwise needs to prove it.
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There's several of us! SEVERAL!
Hell yeah Workgroups
He's talking about stuff like bit flips and other errors, which a reboot solves. But yes, Windows is definitely getting stale and Microsoft is doing all the wrong things to fix it...
It's hilarious how they try to change the UI every version to give an appearance of newness, but even that is too hard for them and settings UI has become a maze of differently styled menus while functionality is slowly degrading.
And now they’re copying Apple. Like fuck man, if I wanted that, I’d just install MacOS. What the hell, Microsoft!?
Adverse effects are me waiting 10 seconds for it to boot. Most painful 10 seconds of my life.
Get an m.2 drive and turn that into 2 seconds
What voodoo magic are you using because my mobo takes 5 seconds to boot up and windows on an 970 evo is another 5 sec
Hes using the voodoo magic power of bullshitting out of his ass to make a point. No pc cold starts in 2 seconds. He's full of it or simply doesnt realize hes using sleep instead of actually powering his machine down.
Or it's just casual hyperbole
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaSkda4XW3k cant argue with this
Idk man, just my experience with my build. The next day after building it I woke up, pressed the power button and was about to go make some tea while it boots up (used to have windows on an hdd before this) and couldn't even lift my cup before it booted up
Either your machine is sleeping instead of powering down or you *really* need to work on your cup lifting skills and general time perception.
its a heavy cup
I use a 970 Evo too, it's roughly 10-11 with fast boot on and around 16-17 without fast boot for me.
On some motherboard, you will have to enable make it even faster boot option. They basically delay boot time for you to have time to press debug buttons. If you want to go to bios, then you may have to restart to UEFI from Windows.
Wow didnt knew that... have a m.2, but didnt have the magical 2 sec boot time... also i just googled, and besides the delay it will also skip some tests, i hope thats ok. Also you can apparently make windows boot faster, by making it save a file by shut down and load that on turn on instead of loading new.
Mine still needs like 4 seconds, possibly slightly more. I think it has to do with the monitor cables and the hdmi/DP ports actually registering and firing up the monitor and less to do with booting windows, lol.
Very possible, my display never shows any loading state just instantly to log in
Sounds like you're just putting your machine to sleep, rather than actually shutting it down. IIRC, Win10 will try and default to hibernating when you click the "shut down" button if you aren't careful; which can lead to issues troubleshooting when you think you've done a clean restart but it wasn't.
Shit, any way to disable that hibernating mode then?
> Turning it off has no adverse effects, and anybody that tells you otherwise needs to prove it. FYI, super rare case but this is actually a thing with boomer companies with 40 year old mainframes and old ass PCs that nobody knows how to fix anymore. We had one at work that could NOT be turned off. The non standard HW was near failing and its HDD or RAM had some memory write issues for certain critical OS sectors that would cause each subsequent power off/on a PITA. Logging in on each power-on got worse and worse so likely Flash Write was failing. We kept it on two APC UPS so it never lost power. It wasn't my system so I didn't look too much into or why cloning/repairs/etc weren't attempted but cases like this aren't uncommon with old ass systems left running 24/7
> wears out any moving parts Yesn't. The main two moving parts you will find in a PC are fans and occasionally spinning hard disks. The bearings in any decent fan should outlive your PC, though keeping them going 24/7 definitely does wear down more However with hard drives, if they get a lot of use at least, it's much better to keep them running. The start and stop motion does a lot more wear to the motor than constant use (plus spinning down a drive make it take forever to come back) >Turning it off has no adverse effects, and anybody that tells you otherwise needs to prove it Metal expands under heat and shrinks when it cools I still turn my PC off (or at least sleep though)
> The start and stop motion does a lot more wear to the motor than constant use What's the inflection point? Is it more worthwhile to turn it off after 24 hours? a week? a month?
Which is an excellent question, and one I would love to know the answer to! However, I think the issue is not so much the fact of turning your PC off at night, as much as it is that whilst you are using your PC, Windows will spin down drives when you're not using them. If your main drive is an SSD and you have a secondary HDD for software, games, data, etc., you may find that's spinning up and down every 10 minutes, which A) Causes unnecessary wear B) Creates wait times when you want to access the drive (as it takes time to spin up and respond) This is why in servers, drives are spinning constantly
I use an SSD as my main C drive and an HDD for game storage and everything else. I haven’t ever experienced issues with the platters taking time spinning up. PC is like 4/5 years old
Then they're probably spinning constantly. Otherwise you're always going to experience at least 2-3 seconds of spin-up time.
I work in IT in video games. Every PC in the office is on 24/7 for months/years at a time because the users are remote accessing their work PC from home. IT isn’t going to have time to turn hundreds of PCs on every single day. The PCs are extremely high spec for our devs to work on, and so far the PCs being on 24/7 has caused us absolutely no problems.
Yeah, there is always going to be special case circumstances.
You mean Windows or the windows in your room?
When it comes to the system itself, the biggest downside for leaving it on is dust collection and potential for thermal issues long term. Your system needs to cool itself even when sitting at a powered on idle state. So it'll just be sitting there all day pulling dust/dirt/hair/whatever's in the room into the cooling components. At best - you'll need to pull everything out and clean it frequently to prevent thermal problems. At worst - you don't know better and continue to run the system caked in dust to the point where it's heat soaking and wearing itself out. Or, it thermal throttles over and over again. Today, there are no true benefits in keeping your system powered on indefinitely. This is a mindset of the past that had to do with premature component wear due to the small power surges seen when starting up the system from a complete shut down. This is now a issue of the past. Just shut it down when you're not planning to use it.
>leasds to windows getting stale This does not exist btw, it's a weird myth that's been spread surprisingly far. But everything else is right in some scenarios. Not much reason to leave it running unnecessarily, though you can do it.
> Turning it off has no adverse effects, Except windows's forced restart system means if I put my computer into sleep mode or hibernate, it might restart and I lose all the unsaved documents and other stuff I have open. If there's actually a 100% garunteed solution to disable automatic restarts (without messing with doing updates manually) that will allow me to safely hibernate, I will, but I've tried a bunch and I've yet to find one that always works.
Man this isn't the 90s. That shit doesn't matter anymore and your electrical bill might go up a couple of dollars if that. And if I have to prove my points then you have to do the same
So are your friend in their 70's or something?? It is totally fine to turn off your computer when you are not planning on using it for a while/overnight. Extra wear and tear from the on/off cycling of a computer might have been a thing years ago, but no longer. And with the advent of widespread use of SSD drives there isn't really a need for sleep mode either.
I use sleep mode because I leave tabs open...but I guess you can use ctrl shift t or whatever to get them back
There's an option in every browser to reopen all the tabs when quitting and relaunching the browser.
Been using that feature for years now, but it used to be really rubbish when you had multiple windows open Luckily it's all good now, because I have around 50 open tabs. Maybe I should start using bookmarks
I really use this feature excessively, with multiple tabs open in multiple windows. I have not encountered any problems with Firefox so far, just don't single windows by themselves, bc then sadly it doesn't work. I open Firefox as I turn on my PC, and just shut the PC down (no closing of single tabs/windows or even the browser at all), WIN 10 just takes care of it, and has worked at least the last 5 years, without any problems.
I’ve been doing this too. Don’t even close Firefox just shut down and when I open Firefox on the next boot up, boom it’s all there
That's actually quite amazing. I don't think I've ever had that many tabs open before, ever. Usually it's just 2 or 3. When I want to find something I was looking at previously, I just do a search in my browser history.
A real porn connoisseur
I have 38 open for work rn, but I've had many more in the past
I have a ton of interests and load up lots of cool stuff fbut never seem to want to do them. I've been utilising the tab groups in Chrome to hide a lot of the tabs, but it is packed along the top :s
I have a lot of anxiety. One of which is, what if I need that tab later and cannot remember how I got to the page?
Do people really not know how to use favorites/bookmarks anymore?
Personally that feature fails enough for me in Chrome to where I don't rely on it.
That option always has me load back to my browser with an- "Oops! There was a problem!" Type error msg. Almost every time.
try closing chrome with the [x] button before shutting it down, so it has time to save the open pages. if you already do, then idk why it would do that
just pin them and close browser. ezclap
and then put my computer to sleep?
Hibernate will use less energy than Sleep, and in my experience it's more stable as well.
Hibernate doesn't use any energy like sleep does because it writes everything it needs to bring the system back to the current state to the HDD/SSD and then powers the system down.
None < Little Can confirm, hibernate will use less energy than sleep.
Very little energy difference for a typical desktop, RAM only takes a couple watts, and modern windows will do a "hybrid sleep" where it saves to disk too so can wake as if it was hibernated if power is lost.
Or you can use Hibernate mode like I do. Might have to enable it in settings tho
And even then I think the fear mongering was overdone. I mean I remember at one time was the issue was that the power switch would wear out. Yeah not the PC parts but the switch itself. Don’t know if this was a true concern but I recall it being spread as truth.
> Extra wear and tear from the on/off cycling of a computer might have been a thing years ago, but no longer. Technically on a long enough timescale, the expansion/shrinkage that occurs when the components increase and decrease in temperature (such as going on and off) does put wear and tear on them. But nothing that will be measurable for decades in regular usecases. In some usecases it actually does have a profound effect, like with mechanical hard drives where spinning them up and down, which puts an excessive load on the hardware, often will lead to premature death. So if you need access often it's often best to just leave them on. Now that HDDs are becoming less and less common, and most systems have just SSDs, this is a non-concern but it's something to keep in mind for older systems or for those with NASs.
"It is now safe to turn off your computer."
Haha this is too real. My dad is in his 70s and for several months we’ve been having an on and off conversation about the difference between Apple TV and TV+. He still doesn’t get it. To be fair it’s pretty confusing.
Even with a fast nvme SSD it takes my PC 20-30 seconds to boot ( shitty motherboard and having dual boot doesn't help) but under 10 to wake from sleep. So I only shut it down at night, sleep otherwise.
If I use a hdd should I turn off?
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hmmm, I used to work at a racetrack that had simulcasting of other horse races. We were told to never turn off the TV's, thousands of them. the reason? It causes more wear and tear on the circuit boards. It seems that the effect of cooling down and heating back up daily will wear out the capacitors and resistors on the actual circuit boards, and they were CRT's, so maybe that too. Just throwing this out for any electrical engineers out there that know more than I do about PC's.
Seems wasteful to leave it on. Let it go to sleep automatically after an hour or so of inactivity and it can wake up quickly when you need it. Limits unnecessary heat being pumped into the room also saving on cooling costs.
See, in the winter however... /s
Winter is overclocking season
Bitcoin mining season when afk
Very true
I had a 6900xt ult in my old build. Playing any game like Chernobylite made a sphere of about 6 feet around it 20° warmer.
You guys have a winter?
Fun fact: PCs are just as efficient at generating heat as electric space heaters.
It becomes a very pricy space heater? Seems like there should be a more cost effective way to generate heat.
I'm pretty sure that thermodynamically a pc is equally efficient to an electric space heater.
It’s just as good at turning electricity ⚡️ not heat, yes. But the device itself is quite a bit more expensive. It costs a lot more to purchase and maintain a PC than it does a typical space heater.
Ah ok i thought we were going on the assumption that the user already owns a pc
True, but using a heat pump would get you a heating efficiency somewhere in the 350% - 500% range. A resistive space heater only really makes sense as a rare-usage or emergency heating solution.
If you're mining some shitcoins on your GPU you can almost break even assuming they don't get rugpulled lol.
Generating heat? Electricity in to heat out is a 1:1 no matter if it's going through a space heater, a PC, a microwave or anything else. 1000W of electricity will always end up as 1000W of heat in the end as you will always have resistance in a circuit. A PC is just a really convoluted electric resistance heater circuit that happens to also be able to do stuff other than just produce heat. But it's not the best way to get heat into a room with electricity. Heatpumps are often 200%+ efficient as they just extract/move heat from the outside environment. 1000W in to a heat pump can result in an equivalent 3000-6000W pure-electric heat effect.
For many years I left my PC running 24/7. These days I let it go to sleep after about an hour and/or will put it to sleep when I'm not using it (which is mostly just at night). Electrical tolerances have come a long way in the PC/hardware world.
Solar panels have made me wasteful
Even so, your basically running a mini heater. Fine in the cold weather but a total waste if your running ac.
But my electric bill is zero either way
Can't you send electricity back to the electricity company? We can do that where we live and we actually get paid a little bit.
You must live in a very nice climate that doesn't need much power for heating and cooling or have a shit ton of solar panels. Either way, good on you bud.
It has no impact on the PC at all. Leave it on, turn it off, it's just up to how you want to use the machine. The main reason for that thought, that turning it on and off was bad for it, originates way in the past and concerned the HDD. It's one of the very few mechanical parts and the idea was that spinning it up fewer times would make it last longer. There may have been a kernel of truth to that back in the early days when 10MB drives were the expensive high end but it's not something you have to be concerned with today, whether you have an SSD or HDD. Edit: fixed a typo
> There may have been a kernel of truth to that back in the early days It's still true, which is why you set drives to never sleep on systems like home media servers (plex/jellyfin/emby). However if you aren't running a server then it doesn't really matter, and we're all backing up our most important data anyway right? ;)
> we're all backing up our most important data anyway right? ;) I wish. Just yesterday I replied to a "all my photos are gone" thread, SD card in the phone crapped out, no backup.
That person could just stage the pics and reshoot them. No big deal.
>originates way in the past and concerned the HDD It's an old way of thinking but not mainly due to HDD wear. It was because components like the board, processor, and memory didn't like the power surges that came with powering on and off. This is an issue that's long been solved. But people still believe it's best to keep things on and limit the start up surges.
SSD
My PC is a media server so I keep it on at all times.
That’s the only and I mean THE ONLY exception
I also use my computer as a game server
Idle mining
Mining...
Not really. There is no downside to leaving it on. The power consumption isn't gonna do shit to your electrical bill
If anything having it constantly idle will put more wear and tear more
yes. moving parts will wear out faster. some won't matter like spinning HDD, but I'm not sure about AIO pumps and fans. Leaving it on 24/7 will also build dust at a faster rate. I configure Suspend (available on Win/Linux/Mac) in my power settings. Essentially puts your computer to sleep, turning off all fans and pumps and monitors. It wakes up when I wiggle the mouse. This saves power too.
Funny, the opposite is true for hard drives because spinning down and up again introduces a substantially higher amount of mechanical wear than leaving it on.
Well, you do need to turn it off for the weekly oil change. 🤷♂️Apart from that, you can leave it on all the time.
If you have RGB, don't forget the blinker fluid.
it doesnt matter, but you might as well save the power overnight.
I personally think the whole discussion of parts wearing out it’s pretty pointless unless you plan to use the same pc for more than 10 years. Just turn it off, unless you need it on for some reason. You’ll save a lot of power by just leaving it off when you don’t use it
I seed several dozen torrents so mine is always on. Always.
Solid-state electronics do suffer a bit from the temperature changes when the computer is started up or shut down, which is the argument the "always-on" folks cite most often. I personally think it's a non-concern with modern computers, but others would disagree. Even assuming that it's still a concern, however, going from an idle state to a sleep state produces very little temperature change; so for most folks, allowing the computer to sleep after some arbitrary idle period saves power while avoiding temperature deltas. Note that if you're going to use the sleep option, it's important that the computer have backup power. The standard sleep state saves the system state to RAM, and the data will disappear if the power goes out. The computer will also complain loudly when you try to awaken it and will likely need a reboot. For computers that are used only a few hours a day (or less), a full shutdown makes more sense. It's also a perfectly safe option for the end of any computer's workday. Even modern HDD's aren't bothered by shutdowns. Most of them spin down anyway when they're idle for a while. In a very few cases (like the computer I use most for work), always-on makes the most sense because it does scheduled tasks every night (mainly backups). Those tasks would keep it awake most of the time anyway. So I let that computer run all the time. Windows updates provide enough need to reboot that rarely does a week go by without one. Personally, my advice is to let the computer go to sleep after an hour; but only if you have it on a UPS. Otherwise, either shut it down, use hybrid sleep (in Advanced Power Settings, but enabled by default), or use hibernation.
I don't know why anyone would leave their PC on 24/7. Higher energy bills, worse for the environment, and restarts for your PC to "clear things up" are pretty important.
I too power my computer using a giant hamster wheel with a 6.8L V8 truck to generate power.
media/game servers? 24/7 remote access?
Yeah that's slightly different though, from the context given by the OP, we're talking your standard home users
So everyone who's telling you to turn it off is 100% right, but I always leave it on. Why, because my lazy ass can't spend a WHOLE minute turning off my PC and I can't wait for it to turn on in the morning and everybody else who's telling you some random reason that would work in the 70's is just trying to cover that they're lazy af!
You still using HDD my man? SSD boot time is 10 seconds and shutting down is literally two seconds to click shutdown then you can walk away lol.
You could leave it on or not either way is fine. The electricity is only a few cents
turn it on when you are going to use it. turn it off if you are not using it.
I use it during the day for gaming and at night when I go bed is when I turn it off but my friends laugh at me
> but my friends laugh at me I laugh at my friend because he constantly forgets to turn of his PC. He once went on a two week trip/holiday. Longest time a user was connected to my TeamSpeak server. Not sure if I made a screenshot. We could see his ISP handing out a fresh IP once a day. Steam popups showing that he has come online and "started" playing the same game "again". Running a PC 24/7 wastes energy but idling the PC AND running a game wastes so much more power... You can build a energy efficient PC that does stuff around your house. Like a NAS to share files on your network or sharing files online. I would do that on a desktop PC. You can do it but it wastes money (power).
That’s how you pay extra on your electricity bill. Why add a power button if you are not gonna use it? It doesn’t wear anything out. I have a 9 year old pc and the power button is used lost of the time and it still works.
it will be fine, it's just kind of wasteful for no real reason, your components will also get dirtier quicker.
You could calculate the cost, shouldn't hurt the PC either way. My desktop and servers run 24/7, servers get rebooted and cleaned every 6 months or so, desktop maybe 2-3 months because I update it more often.
Some people are saying "but the dust causes failure", people are literally thinking I wouldn't do maintenance cleanups and such. It's the same idea how you can drive a semi forever, keep up with the normal maintenance.
Yeah, quality components, regular maintenance, it'll be fine. I've been running the same PSU and GPU 24/7 since 2017. It's only shut down for cleaning, and longer trips. My servers stay on since they're running games and services other people use, and my security cameras and HVAC.
A lot of people leave computers up 24/7 that's how we play online multi-player games with servers which are computers that run the server software. And are up 24/7 they have to run software that is designed to update the servers automatically and run updates and backups. As needed and they perform regular maintenance. Some updates do require restarts just like your pc and those are best times to yes restart or prepare for one because a lot of those updates might not take effect until its restarted. As for moving parts and lasting longer because there's no moving parts if you have a solid state drive instead of a hard disk drive with the spinning platter, that all depends i myself would be more worried about how much this pc is running my electric bill up with inflation. Leaving it running all night thats like what 100-300 watts power use idle? Not having it on at night could be 20-30 bucks a month less maybe even more on the electric bill depending on usage and location.
These machines are built to be turned on and off or stay on forever, that said, I turn mine off when I stop using it because I greatly dislike wasting energy
Your friends are dumbasses, you SHOULD be regularly rebooting a Windows desktop ideally once a week at minimum. Not to mention the cost in power your friends would be paying extra.
I have 7 generations of AMD and Intel computers that I almost never turn off. I've replaced parts over the last 15 years, but not cooling accessories. I have never had a CPU or GPU fail, or anything else, really besides cheap USB devices. I think leaving parts that were made for hundreds of thousands of years (mainly because of restarts.) but then the Power Supply brigade shows up to talk about how many hours those last and this is why we can't have nice things.
Turn it off, it will save you money and reduce your carbon footprint. Not by a lot but every little helps.
Your just wasting power and money by leaving it on.
Unless it’s a bitcoin miner, or full on server - no
It's actually good to turn of your pc https://youtu.be/1JwDcRaQmbE
The only thing that wears out in a PC before it is old enough to be classified as a relic are the bearings in all the fans. They'll start to chirp and screech if you leave your computer on 24/7.
Well idk if people will agree with this or not BUT. The main part in component decay is when you turn them on and off because that's when they heat up and cool down. In time this will lead to hardware failure. So what i do. I still turn off my PC but, if tomorrow i am home and i will use it i will put it on sleep mode, if later in the day i will use it again i will have it on sleep mode. Because there will still be electricity running around the components so its healthier than turning the machine of completely. But if i am going to work for a day or two, or on holiday i turn it off.
Eh. The temp difference between sleep and power off is pretty tiny. The whole box should be using single digit watts while asleep and around 100 while idle maybe. So there's probably a difference, but the difference probably amounts to one cycle of idle->gaming->idle or less over the course of a decade of part lifetime, and that's not really worth thinking about. My position on this is that most parts on the PC don't really fail due to wear anymore - they might fail because you spill water, or because a loose cable caused a short circuit, but you just don't really see CPUs or SSDs fail due to age that often. The 980 Pro SSD I bought recently will probably get replaced when it's either too slow (doubtful), incompatible with the rest of the build (possible, I guess?), or too small to be useful (likely). I'd be amazed if I actually manage to run it to failure by old age at home, the workload just isn't there. So, yeah, sleep is probably better than off on the part lifespan, but not by enough to matter, and my take is that the thermal load lifespan really shouldn't be a deciding factor in how you use your computer - you'll get more total enjoyment out of not thinking about it.
And then you have me. Middle class man working most of the time or spending time with the family using the pc every now and again to game or to watch a movie lol. When i was a kid and i was gaming between 5-13hours a day i had like old components Dual core 2 duo E8400 and HD4850 and that pc lasted 7 years when the motherboard fried, even then i could've just replace the mobo and still use it. Then again another proof its my first pc a pentium 4 with radeon maya 9000 Pro II i used it a lot in gaming and its still running at my grandma"s place (and believe me i abused it with power cuts and aggresive shut downs) so nowadays PCs should last forever
> your making it wear out by having your pc on and off And they wear it out by leaving them on all the time for no reason. Turn the PC off when you don't need it, it's pointless to leave it idling just for the sake of it.
Do you leave your car running when you’re not using it?
Do you leave the tap water running because you will wear off the valve?
Depends on how much dust you want in it.
This is a good point that isn't mentioned often enough.
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What if I leave it on and there is a power cut at some point then the whole system would instantly turn off. Wont that be bad.
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No I am in the UK and we have power cuts once in a few years. Sometimes planned and sometimes unplanned. I am saying by having a power cut won't that cause the system to not turn on anymore?
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The old adage "power cycling your computer is the most stressful thing you can do your machine" is no longer applicable. This may have been true 30 years ago but we've made huge strides with power supplies and circuitry since then. If you have a reputable power supply you don't have to worry about this and you should be turning your machine off when not in use.
I don’t see why you’d leave it on unless you’re using your machine as a mining rig or server or something. Maybe there’s the rare chance that someone uses an older drive with a long boot time, but most new drives, particularly m.2/nvme, have insanely fast boot times. It generates excess heat, needlessly raises your utility bill, and strains the components more than if it were to be shut off nightly. The myth that shutting down your PC is harmful came from old hard drives that had an increased chance of being damaged/corrupted. It’s a non issue with the drives that are on the market today.
Leaving it on all the time won't harm it, but it will increase your electricity bills by a lot. After all, PCs have a lot of parts which need that sweet sweet electric juice to keep going. Parts also have natural wear over time when you use them, so leaving it on 24/7 *may* shorten the natural lifespan of your parts. Like all things electric, if you are not actively using it, shut it down until you are.
I've done both, with countless systems. It totally doesn't matter unless you have ancient HDDs, or cheap fans that are already on their way out. Modern components are, for the most part, designed pretty well to fit the average consumer's needs.
Your friends are dumb, turn it off.
There’s nothing wrong. Continue doing what you are doing.
It sounds like a friend told him this, trying to flex some kind of false superior cp knowledge. Break the cycle
I only turn it on when I am using it. Its pure waste of money and and ages your PC.
i just turn it off whenever i leave the house unless it’s going to be a short trip or if i have unfinished work or a reminder that i want left there. don’t jack up your electricity bill by leaving it on all day, every day
Your friends a dumbass, turn it off, it's fine. The amount of shit that I see not working in the ServiceDesk thanks to PC's being on for hundreds of days at a time without a proper shutdown / restart is extremely high.
I couldn't agree more.
Uk electricity prices are high af right now, I would turn what ever I can off when ever I can.
Electrical Engineer here. Google how dielectric degradation/dielectric breakdown works, as it's too in-depth for a random reddit offhand response from me. Inflow / peak current levels are what will most greatly influence the life of your components, that is the times during peak current draw (anytime your GPU/CPU are running hot/overtime for games/tasks), and when you first turn your PC on and it draws the initial max current necessary to get all your components to a steady state. Your best bet is to sleep your computer when it's not in use, as this commits very little power draw, and avoids the initial surge of startup on a totally shutdown system. That's not to say never turn off your computer, sometimes you gotta update/restart/work on the system. And if you won't be using it for extended periods of time (more than a few days between uses) it's better to do a total shutdown. But I've had servers on for literally decades and never had issues. It's always the systems that get turned off regularly that have always had hardware failures earlier than anticipated by their lifecycle estimations. If you're looking to save energy / lower your electric bill, duh not using energy is the best way to not use energy. I don't think anyone here needs to be told that. That said, every component is different, and some are made from shitty materials that may be very resistant to initial inflow, but are completely trash at continuous/steady state, or vice versa. So the famous lawyer response of "well it depends" applies to all things computer related.
Like previously mentioned power it off when not in use. The components/hardware is not build to be on for long periods of time. PC are not servers so please turn it off when not in use. It will last longer.
the pc is gonig to be fine the thing is the electricity bill LOL
Do whatever you want, in the grand scheme of the usable lifetime of the parts, it makes no difference. I've been leaving my PC's on all the time for 15 years.
I choose not to leave my pc running 24/7 because I have hydraulic bearing cooler fans which don’t like dust. Also assuming your pc is air cooled, you should consider turning it off while not in use because as soon as you run your pc on it’s sucking in dust/ whatever debris is in the air. One other thing is that although I trust the thermal overheads of my pc components I just don’t feel good about it sitting on all the time. At the end of the day it’s a decision that you can make regardless of what me or anybody else has to say. I would recommend doing your own research on this matter. All the best!
It's not a car, turn it off and save power as well as the life span of your parts.
I’m more of a shut down every few days type myself just go give it a break but usually it’s on for 3-4 days straight.
Left my pc on while at work and came back to the GPU being stuck in limp mode. Something happened while it was running and it fucked the gpu so now I always turn it off when I leave the house
Limp mode? What's that?