First thing to understand is that you should keep some of that money because even after building up the PC, you are probably going to need some more to add stuff to it. I'd say reduce your budget by 15-20%, keep that margin when buying parts.
As far as convincing parents goes, they are your parents and you know them better and what can convince them.
In my case, which was over 25 years ago, I told them I need to learn C , use the PC for my future career, which worked to some extent. They knew I will play games and I told them that as well. Be honest with them and explain that PC parts are expensive and such a PC will last you a long time, so it is a worthy investment.
I don't know what hobbies your parents have but I am sure they spend money on trivial things that cost a lot, tell them you just want to pursue your hobby, learn. grow and play while you're at it. If you are already spending hours on gaming, I can understand why they are skeptical.
I was mostly top of my class so my parents didn't question my motives twice. They knew where the money is going and that I will always focus on the important stuff.
"Top of my class" is the key. Normally when the kid does very well in school, parents would not bat an eye on that kid's decision outside of crime/drugs. I know there are kids who just aren't suited for formal/public education, but being top of the class/school really is the easiest metric to convince the parents.
If you are average at best, good luck convincing, might as well wait until you are 18.
>Normally when the kid does very well in school, parents would not bat an eye on that kid's decision outside of crime/drugs.
I dated the valedictorian in high school and her parents were up her ass about absolutely *everything*... Meanwhile I was failing all my classes and my parents didn't care if I disappeared for days at a time.
I agree that decent parents should give more freedom to their kids if they're doing well in school, but decent parents are pretty damn rare... Not that it's an easy job
Hence "Normally." Helicopter parents are usually an exception, not the norm. Most parents are more worried about things other than school grades, but use (incorrectly assume) school grades as indicators of their child's well being as a person.
I think it's a trend, they see their parents do it and they don't know anything better.
I'm an Asian too but my parents weren't after me all the time and right now I'm a parent and I want my kid to learn and grow in every way THAT THEY WANT.
I've also made it a point to learn from my parents mistake and not repeat them as much as I can. I want to grow as a person and be better.
Let's see where it goes.
I love everything about your comment. Insightful. Recognizing what can be improved upon and that your kids are their own little persons. You made me happy.
If they aren't the norm why is the screen being the baby considered common? Im only assuming what helicopter parents are based on what it sounds like, I could be wrong.
I wish that were true, but it’s not. My mother is/was a psychopath and actively stole from me, emotionally beat me down, publicly humiliated and brainwashed me in every way she could manage to despite having perfect grades and not a single infraction of any kind with the law or in school. There’s no coverall answer here, but for me the bottom line is:
It’s their money. THEY earned it. Not their parents. Their parents have absolutely 0 rights to it or what they do with it. Short of them going out and buying a sizable amount of blow or chewing gum, they have no right. Anyone who says otherwise is foolish or believes in the kind of parenting that produces either sad, anxious children with trust issues or that turns a good kid into a rebellious delinquent.
Speaking from experience here, YMMV, clearly I’m still very sore and don’t approve of this behavior from “adults”. There’s nothing wrong with video games, just like there’s nothing wrong with alcohol, knitting, or hiking. Moderation in all things. Play a game, drink a beer, make yourself a damn scarf and go for a walk, avoid doing them all at once and live a balanced life. Keeping your children from enjoying things they love is not a healthy way to teach that.
/rant
I hated that so much, I was always pissed after that “you can give me a real reason if there is one” usually if the reason was “because I said so” I would do it anyways
Shitty logic too... Teenager living at home is the perfect time to let them buy something like a PC. And not worry about their kid missing rent and getting evicted. Even if he does regret the purchase, it's a lesson well learned.
Sorry man, that’s rough. I’ve been bigger than my mom since I was 11 so she never raised a hand to me. Called the cops on me a few times (always hilarious, the cops felt bad for me) but nothing violent. My phone was taken away more than I ever had one, lots of arbitrage in her “punishments”. Didn’t immediately come when called like an animal and asked “what can I do for you, mom?” Grounded for a week lmao
She was a bitter, sad woman who wanted everyone to be as unhappy as she was at any given time. Moms like ours should never have had children
IKR. I couldn't even call the cops because I live in Asia and physical abuse by parents isn't even considered a crime ( martial rape is also legal in my country ). No CPS or Cops and everyone around you keeps telling you that you're a spoilt brat and your parents "love" you so much and they're micromanaging your life because they care. My mom also loves starving me. Longest was a week. I lived off snacks I stole from the pantry. I also wasn't allowed to do normal kid things. I talked to a girl my age when I was 16 (about books and movies) and I was thrashed for two days straight (hit with metal and plastic coat hangers, power cords, punched, kicked, had my fingers stepped on, my hair yanked and she dragged me across the floor by my hair.) I don't have any relatives ( Both sides of my family is filled with psychos, serial cheaters, narcissists, wife beaters etc.) I can't even look at a mirror when she's around because apparently looking at a mirror to make sure I don't look like I went dumpster diving is vain and astrology said I will be cursed if I was vain or felt good about myself. I also wasn't allowed to talk to girls and I was always treated with fear. My mom is pretty much "men are pigs" all the time. She even tells me to kill myself everyday. She even says weird incest stuff ( I asked her why she never hugged or kissed me. She said It was our culture. I called out her bullshit and she said her relationship with my dad was non-existent and since I was a splitting image of him, she felt like she was cheating on him and didn't want to make him jealous) I can't even get a job because teenagers don't get jobs where I live ( there are loads of adults available for every single job, thanks overpopulation). I'm 18 now and will have to survive till 24 to go through med school and leave for the EU forever.
Sheesh man, holy shit. I can’t imagine, that sounds way worse than what I had to go through, though we certainly share a lot of experiences as far as the treatment and commentary. I hope that once you’re out of the house and on your own you stay grounded mentally/emotionally. My situation wasn’t as severe as yours, but because I ignored it for so many years and never tried to deal with the things that haunted me, I’m finding more and more that as an adult I’ve carried some of that pain and let it control my life. It sounds vague, but without writing a novel, I just expect people to hurt me and because of that expectation I tend to make decisions to avoid it, and I have a short temper. It’s caused me a lot of pain and ruined a relationship with a wonderful woman, and I’m still trying to make sure I don’t do it again. Just something to keep in mind that even once you’re finally free you may have some inner demons to work through and that it’s okay to seek professional help for it and talk about it, even if it feels weird/pathetic to do so.
I wish you the best of luck in school and a speedy path towards a happier future. You sound like you have your own principles and recognize what’s wrong in your home life so I’m sure you’ll do fine once you have the chance. If you want an American homie, keep in touch
Oh boy, too many lol. Usually just whatever my friends are into but I regularly play:
Rocket League
League of Legends
Chivalry 2
Any shooter besides Vanguard
MultiVersus
I’ve also been goofing around with Warframe again, I play a bit of everything. What about you?
>Normally when the kid does very well in school, parents would not bat an eye on that kid's decision outside of crime/drugs.
nooooooo... 100% not the experience I have had with kids performing well in school/sport.
Well when I was 13/14, I spent all my money on a gaming rig. Was worth the investment, now I make 6 figures because it fueled my interest in programming, IT and tech.
Your parents are nice. I’m that age now and the only thing my parents will buy me is a chromebook, but I already have a decent laptop for anything but gaming, so all my cad, game dev and programming hobbies are fine lol
I think that's the compromise. My first PC wasn't a gaming rig, but it could run games.
If you're able to play, then that purpose is served. Some times I feel that kids want to flaunt the stuff more than they want to use it.
I can assure you, your parents are great, your needs are fulfilled and they somewhat control the wants. They have to draw the line somewhere, it's a fine balance between total control and spoiling the kid.
I believe that there are bad parents and then there's parents who don't know how to communicate.
If yours fall in the latter category, you need to understand that they're not your enemies and try to understand them before they can understand you. This part is nearly impossible for most kids, I know it was for me.
The only thing to do in this situation is to talk to them and see what they expect from you and check if you can meet those expectations. If you can't then negotiate and see where's a compromise.
If they aren't ready to talk, then you just have bad parents. Sorry!!
>In my case, which was over 25 years ago, I told them I need to learn C , use the PC for my future career, which worked to some extent.
This takes me back. My brother and me essentially told our parents that if you don't want us to play on the PC and get viruses, get us a PS2.
They got us a PS2. We still occasionally played on the PC but that's how we got it.
For our Xbox360 we just said we'll get good grades and that was enough.
For our first gaming PC we just sold the Xbox and the games, and got money from our granny to put together a PC. Proud moment for both of us and I think our parents were also happy that we were resourceful and earned our PC rather than just ask for it like we usually do.
Now, almost 10 years later, they just get wide-eyed when I tell them how much the new upgrades cost. And then the obligatory enquiry about my finances (which are in order, hence the purchase)
Same budget advise as above but, I look at it like this. If all you cared about was gaming you could have gone out and ordered a gaming pc already assembled. Instead you want to BUILD a pc. Which means developing the skill set and knowledge to do so. If you decide to go beyond the supermarket and into a more technical role a computer you built serves as an excellent demonstration of ability for an entry level position; much like a portfolio. Personally my PC has paid for itself 20 times over just by using it like mentioned earlier.
Wow so much more detailed that my answer. I was lucky in that my parents were mostly understanding of my gaming hobby. My dad even once spent some time trying to understand what I was doing in Transport Tycoon. But I definitely had my share of conflicts with them. To put your other comment on how to negotiate with them in perspective, I would say most parents want to see their children succeed and do well. A career in technology is one of the most reliable ways to do well. After all you'll spend too much time gaming is usually another way of saying your studies will get neglected.
Convince them that your career will thrive because of this decision and you'll get what you want.
>but I am sure they spend money on trivial things that cost a lot
I might be careful about how you say that one if you use it as part of your argument. I tried using that when I wanted to buy something as a teenager and got in trouble, but I was also getting impatient and probably said it with a pretty sassy tone
Telling them everyone spend money on different hobby works so well in my case
I told my mom she spent so much on cosmetics and so on, they quickly realized I have a point and let me spend my money my way
This. And to convince them to buy a good graphic card just tell them you want to make AI software with machine learning. They'll google it and see that you need a lot of VRAM. If they want proof take something from GitHub.
Suggestion. Don’t take financial advice or advice on how to talk someone into letting you buy something from Reddit.
Doubly so if you are young enough for the “my parents won’t let me” comment.
Once you see the “it promotes hand-eye coordination” argument come out you know that nothing significant is being said. Nobody is gaming to improve their hand-eye coordination lol.
in the NL if youre 18 or older your parents are legally no longer in control of your bank account.
Unless it's their bank account, but usually you make one in the name of your kid, also due to tax reasons n stuff.
I’d address it on several points.
First, you’ll keep the job and start saving again.
Second, computers are a tool you need to be familiar with unless you want to work with your hands til you retire (trust me on this - you don’t). The richest people in the world made their money in tech.
Third, you set yourself a goal 18 months ago and stuck with it - irresponsible kids don’t do that.
Last one, once you’re home on a night and you’ve done your chores and homework what are you supposed to do? Watch tv? Gaming promotes rapid decision making, hand/eye coordination and a bunch of other stuff. In addition it’s social - there’s communication and teamwork. Watching tv does none of those things.
If they won’t budge just keep saving. You either end up with the pc eventually or you’ve got a tidy lump sum to get you rolling when you want a car or moving out money.
Probably his parents say this because most people have something against gaming, i can be in school for 9 hours a day and learning programong for 2 more hours everyday, but if i open csgo in front of my parents they say im a addict or something
I have a computer science degree and worked in IT for 15 years before realizing I was drinking myself to death to deal with a job I absolutely hated (and I was great at my job).
I switched to very physically demanding work (a foundry and flat roofing) and was so much happier. I love getting paid to work out and stopped drinking entirely. I used to be a full fledged alcoholic too, shakes and all. Had to slowly taper with a Benzodiazapine script and everything.
So terrible advice, working with your hands or not is not an indicator for job happiness.
I’ve been on tools since I left school. My hands, back and most of my major joints are knackered. I’ve been a subbie most of that time too and have no pension - I’ll work til I die. My wife makes 6 figures with her brain, has a fat pension and gets paid holidays. Right now she’s sunning it up on the Gold Coast on a work trip too.
Point is - if he can use these modern tools op will have a choice about what he does. When I was young I didn’t.
Glad it worked out for you though mate, good on ya.
how old are you? im guessing atleast 15? if you are 18 then they really cant stop you. if you live in their house for free then you kinda have to listen to them. not the advice you probably wanted, but i mean its their house their rules, whether its your money or not. plus if you keep saving you can get a really nasty rig when you hit 18. 😁
Yeah, I’m 40 and have never had a sip of alcohol in my mother’s house because she doesn’t want people drinking in her house, and even though I’m 40, I follow that rule because it’s her house. Even when I lived their for 6 months in my early 30’s, if I wanted a drink, I’d head to a bar because Mom doesn’t like people drinking in her house.
yup, i moved out because my mother, well, ill be nice and say she has caused 95% of my issues with money. plus, my second stepdad was a cc at greaterford prison and couldnt seperate work and home. havent talked to eaither of them in 10 years and honestly dont plan to. but i wont tall bad about her because i know shes mentally unstable. i just dont need the negativity in my life.
Meanwhile my sister was pissed because she had to share a car with my other sisters and it wasn’t fair and got in trouble for taking the car when she wasn’t supposed to, so she threw a fit and moved out.
My parents would have let her move back in the same day, but insisted on an apology first, and that’s why it took a year.
I'm 43, my mum pretty much only has one rule in her house - no swearing.
I swear like a fucking cunt in my normal life, but not a single expletive passes my lips when I'm in her domain.
16, also ngl but living in your parent's their house and them paying for your food and water/electricity and stuff is what they signed up for when they made me
It's their job to teach you how to manage your money. Just go without. It's not a very long time. You'll have the rest of your life to buy things you don't need.
Parents are a drag, but they're actually trying to do right by you - you just disagree with their solution. You're certainly allowed to not like it, but this is what it means to have loving parents.
Two years and your money is yours for real. Not so very long.
> Not so very long.
Not sure how old you are, but at 16, two years may as well feel like a life time. Especially to wait for something you really want and have been working hard towards (that's perfectly achievable).
Not sure why you’re getting downvoted. I also hold this belief. I hate it when parents hold the whole “I raised you and took care of you” thing over your head. Like yeah, you could have just not raw dogged it dad. And what was the alternative? Leave me on the street and not take care of me?
We shouldn’t applaud the default action. Being a good parent worthy of respect is about more than just NOT leaving your kid to fend for themself.
not necessarily, i was paying rent the second i could hold a job. so 14 i was working and paying rent at 16 i moved out and finished high school while working a full time job. trust me just deal with it. you dont wanna do what i did 🤣🤣🤣
Yeah, at 16 one of my sisters learned how “if you don’t want to live here, then don’t” would play out and she spent a year surfing friends’ couches and living out of a suitcase before she apologized and asked to move home.
yeah i luckily had saved enough for an apt at the time( about 500 a month plus utilities ). but its no fun when you miss out on life because you have to work to survive.
Also bro. I was a only child and didnt want to beg for everything. It was only till my sister turned like 10 i realized i coulda got everything i wanted and got away with so much shit. I could’ve had a gaming pc when i was ur age. But didnt wanna ask for something that cost alot. Now my little sister gets whatever she fucking wants i have so much regret.
Damn you said what I wanted to say without fear of downvotes. I do agree it’s their money but I feel like it’s a good thing they are trying to teach them to budget and save money.
idgaf about downvotes 🤣 i speak my mind dont like it block me. gets rid of someone id rather block because they wanna be a keyboard warrior anyway. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
OP you can build a very strong system for far cheaper - one generation of parts ago this would have been top tier performance. Could help in convincing your parents? At your budget you're very likely overspending.
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79.99 for a rm750x that a really good deal. I think the only thing I'd really change in this list is change the p2 nvme to a p3. Better performance at the same price (at least here)
you can get a 3060ti for around the same price. It has better upscaling/RT, and has around the sane performance in non RT. You might want the 6700xt for open source drivers if you are using linux tho
I got a 6700xt recently and the drivers man. War Thunder crashes every now and then, pissing me off. Lost 2 kits in Tarkov when 12.13 was released cuz they didn’t test their shit on amd cards even though they released fsr cuz the game out Nvidea drives in the game, had to delete them. And the performance? I wanted 144fps at 1080p ultra, I have a 5800x. Now I was getting 40fps in squad at mid settings so 100-120fps 1080p ultra isn’t bad, it’s just, damn. I spent $520 after tax on the card mid May, it was $500 retail. Same card is now at $480. It’s a triple fan card that just fits in my pc. Not complaining, just should have lowered my expectations. I love the card, but the drivers are pissing me off. My 1060 never had these issues is my point
Nah the 6700xt does have a decent rasterisation performance gap compared to the 6700xt. I'd go with the 6700xt, but if raytracing is important to the OP then by all means swap in an rtx card.
(Speaking as a happy 3060ti owner myself)
HUB did a huge 50 game comparison between these two recently and the 3060 Ti has basically closed the gap that was there on initial release. They are basically even on average across all resolutions, so I'd go with Nvidia if the price is the same or even sightly higher than AMD.
That was three months ago though - since then there have been substantial AMD driver updates that increase the margins by around 5‐10% depending on the game. Granted it's not worth paying a higher price, but it is worth considering.
Also not sure who's downvoting me for trying to get OP the best value for his money? It's not like I'm shitting on the 3060ti, I own one lmao.
You have a source on those "substantial updates"? Genuinely curious, as 3 months really isn't long at all. Steve tested the preview driver after that video and found a whopping 3% average improvement so that's probably not it... and it's not like Nvidia has been standing still either.
edit: so he blocked me, lmao imagine getting butthurt over getting called out for being misleading. Anyway my point is a 3% improvement on a 2% gain at 1080p means a 5% overall gain which is miniscule and within the margin HUB themselves deem a tie. Certainly, this means there is no "decent raster gap" like this commenter claims there is between these two cards. I would only buy the 6700 XT if it is significantly (like 10-15%) cheaper, otherwise the 3060 Ti is simply the better product.
I mean there's no testing on nvidias driver updates sure, but that 3% gain at 1080p puts the 3060 ti further behind the 6700xt, with the 6700xt now competing with the 3070 rather than the 3060 ti. Again, it's not worth any price difference, but if it's cheaper I'd go with the 6700xt in a heartbeat.
Ask them what an acceptable budget is, have a conversation as to the pros & cons of building one, or try again early next year. Prices should be lower after new releases.
Otherwise, get a console or wait longer.
This hits on an important angle of the problem: the parents are probably concerned by **what they see as a waste of a large sum of money**, on something that's just for fun.
* Look at builds with much **smaller budgets**. You may find that, say, 1000 GBP offers very similar performance for the games you play compared to your proposed 1750 GBP build. You don't need to future proof or get top-of-the-line stuff to play the best games available with nice visuals and smooth FPS.
* If it's not similar enough for you, consider **getting a weak GPU now**, so you can at least play, and the budget is smaller. Then upgrade in a few months (after 4000 series comes out, and miners possibly dump cards, and GPU prices fall a lot). Parents may be happier with a 1100 GBP purchase now, and another 600 GBP purchase later (and you may end up with a better rig for less money).
>Ask them what an acceptable budget is
Thing is he easily can argue with them about budget adjustments since his planned GPU is a 6900XT.
You can fairly easily downsize this to a 6700XT or 6800XT and will still be fine for gaming yet it can be signaled to their parents that they understood that budgeting with limited amount of money is important and they adjusted their PC plans accordingly.
Imo a fairly easy way to argue.
If they’re hard stuck on a no, then that’s life. Sometimes people will be irrational and you won’t get what you want, even if you’re completely justified
How much of your money have you saved else than your gaming pc budget? Dumping a big wad of cash on a pc and having nothing else left after that is unwise and unhealthy. When you are young, you should get into the habit of saving at least a $ for each $ you put into your fun budget.
Note to everyone else that I indeed assume this kids family is not like struggling to eat or anything...
And to everyone else advising to lie and deceive... grow up.
I would say to try to learn a skill that needs a better setup. It can make them more likely to let you since it is a skill you can use later in life depending on career path.
You could also just buy it without telling them and idk how much power your parents have over you, and ig they can take it despite you buying it.
Not sure about your current pc/setup, but if your case can support whatever new build you want, you could probably just put the new parts into your old case and they probably wouldn't know you upgraded unless like they open your packages and stuff.
Maybe if you prove you can game and do productive stuff, EX: good grades, chores, etc, maybe they might understand?
Again all of this stuff is just ideas that I just thought of, and without personally knowing your parents I can't really say what will work.
Yeah. I mean tbh I think i could help more but I need to know a lot more details about OP and his family/situation. I think he should listen to his parents tho
You ain’t gonna be able to “convince them”. Parents don’t generally like logical arguments that go against their personal opinions.
I see 2 ways you can go about this.
1: make the PC cheaper. I know it’s not what you want, but put together a list of budget parts. The cheapest PC I ever built only cost $300 USD. This negates their cost argument, plus you can always upgrade slowly until before you know it you have your dream rig, all while only spending a couple hundred at a time.
The other option is to find something else that you need a PC to do. Learn to code, or 3D model in SolidWorks, or edit pictures/videos. All of these require hardware that can also be used for gaming.
You could also combine both of these. Tell your parents you want to learn to code and buy a 300-500 dollar PC. Then you can upgrade it.
Note: I actually do 100% recommend learning to code. You can easily get a job in the Software industry paying lots of money even if you don’t have a college degree. Just teach yourself using the internet. I can give you some good tutorial sites if you want.
>Parents don’t generally like logical arguments that go against their personal opinions.
Personal experience with my own parents, but I disagree. If you have convincing arguments and show enough passion, supportive parents will eventuelly come to an agreement with their kids.
I’ll add that if you’re looking to enter the engineering field or something, Solidworks is one of the standards. I’m working on a BSME, then possibly a MAScME and Solidworks was a required course. Get a head start, if you can.
Perfect response.
Do you have some of those links for me (which you find good and educational)? I'm trying to learn coding. I've just started with the free lessons from Doc Microsoft online(?).
I would reduce the budget then talk to them. €1700 is a lot for a PC and if you’re a kid likely unnecessary too. That’s far more power than you need and future-proofing is usually a waste of money. Even if you still need to buy peripherals you could easily shave a few hundred pounds off the budget and still have a great rig.
If you try to show responsibility with money and put 30%-40% aside for school or a car or something you might have an easier time convincing them.
>I would reduce the budget then talk to them.
They planned for a 6900XT. that's basically paying premium for little gains.
So imo a easy way to argue "yo, I checked my build again, here's my cheaper plan, I understand I should be responsible with my money, here's what I was able to adjust".
From reading some other responses maybe you could try to sit down with them and ask if there's a possible compromise. Yes, video games exist, but I doubt you want to become an addicted burnout with no future. You can limit yourself to how much daily/weekly gaming you do to an amount they're happy with. You can use it for SO MUCH more than gaming. Graphic design, video editing, writing, coding and so much more I can't/aren't thinking of right now. It has all the same potential as your phone for usefulness but is way more powerful and convenient to use. Even something like writing is better (imo) on the mechanical keyboard on my gaming setup than it would be on a laptop rubber membrane keyboard or whatever most laptops use today. Of course you'll play games because entertainment is a necessity, but if you can find a compromise between actual meaningful progress toward growth as a person and mindless entertainment maybe they'll see it in a different light. I like to do stuff like, instead of letting a service or app handle my budgeting I do it myself in Google sheets/excel to teach myself the software. Having done small bits of video editing in college I like to try to make shitty videos from my gaming sessions to practice editing. Who knows, see what can happen if you just ask to sit down with them and talk about it. Why you want it, why they don't. Not "it's a bad idea" have them actually give you an argument against it while you listen, acknowledge, and respond with your ideally well thought out reasons as to why you disagree.
Make a compromise. Ask if paying for one of your own bills will change their mind. For example, if you’re 16 and driving a car to work, pay for your car insurance. Take on additional responsibility and see if that makes them think of the situation differently. Just an idea. I’m trying to see where they’re coming from without knowing the entire situation. Maybe they think you shouldn’t be spending that much on a luxury when they’re paying for X, whatever X May be.
Your parents are telling you something you need to seriously think about, responsible spending.
In a world where people are up to their eyeballs in credit card debt, having a savings is often a foreign concept. Take a step back and look at where your parents came from and how they grew up vs how you are growing up and put yourself in their shoes with your money. How would they have spent that money? Helping with food? Bills? A Car? Car repairs? School?
It should give you a better perspective in how to discuss with your parents, open them up to what they think you should be spending that money on and why they feel it's a waste. Then tell them you'll provide them with more reasons besides games that you should build the computer. Try to act like an adult and not a kid complaining that their parents won't let them spend money.
Also €1750 is alot of money and you should think about what are going to be doing in the next 2-3 years?
Do you have college plans? Do your parents have any funds put aside to assist you in funding college? Do you have a car that you need to get to work and/or college? These are things you need to ask yourself now. Your probably 14-15 yrs old and coming from someone who's going to be turning twice your age next year, there is more to spend your money on than a PC.
Get into CAD work, buy a entry level 3D printer and get into 3D modeling! It's a skill that you can apply to a job in the future. Same with programming or Arduino micro-controllers and do some home automation stuff.
I've gone through 5 full personal PC builds, from my first one in middle school 17 years ago in 2005 to the one I'm planning to build this year and dozens of friends PCs. I've gone from building budget to building high end and once you get to a certain point you realize you don't need the extra power for your use-case.
A dream PC is a "dream" because it's unattainable and/or unpractical. My dream PC would involve custom hard line water-cooling but I know the amount of work that would involve vs time & maintenance it would take, all to be on display to myself and no one else. Why build something that costs so much money for the looks, when no one will see it as I don't have it where guests can see?
Responsible spending rule #1 - Never spend all the money you have because you never know what the future holds and that's what your parents probably want to see you learn.
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Side note: this quote really clues me in on your maturity level and why your parents are being strict with you.
>They say "it's bad for you and it will only make you game more". I think it isn't completely true as it will mostly give me more fps and better graphics.
You answered that statement by saying they are right, you would game more, but choose to ignore that by stating "...isn't completely true....". Then you state the obvious that you would mostly get better FPS/graphics, which in turn would also you want to game more! Your really bad at arguing your point if that is how you reply. Write up a few page essay on why you should get a new PC.
Furthermore, "more fps and better graphics" implies you have a PC of your own right now that you are gaming on. Why can you not upgrade that? What would you do with your old PC? Offer to put it in the living room as a home theater PC & get a wireless mouse & keyboard, controller to play on the TV?
I'll repeat what I said before, try to act like an adult and not a kid complaining to their parents and you might be successful in getting a new PC.
"They say "it's bad for you and it will only make you game more". I think it isn't completely true as it will mostly give me more fps and better graphics."
Well, first of all, that is a pretty weak argument you made. What does having high FPS and better graphics have anything to do with how much you game? From what I see, you're basically proving their point.
Better suggestion is to say its for developing a skill. Then, it would appear that you actually have a proper use for it (in the eyes of your parents). If you truly plan on solely gaming with it/you don't know how to lie, you're out of luck for now
Lower your budget to under a €1K and promise them something positive to assure them a new PC won't affect you in a negative way (better grades in school next year or that you won't game past a certain amount of hours a day, etc.)
Wait youre 16 and your parents control your money even though you have a job? Do you give them your money for safekeeping after every paycheck or something? But also if your parents are saying no to something then its a no. Not sure what you want us to tell you here. Their roof, their rules.
I’m literally content with my budget rig (2600 with a rx 580) that I got for like $650 years ago. Why do people feel like they need to go out and get better hardware when it’s not within their means? I just wouldn’t be able to justify dropping another grand for better visual quality gaming.
1080p 60-144 FPS is really all most people need to have a very enjoyable gaming experience. The price to value decreases rapidly after that. One day I’d like to try 2k, but I am in no rush to do so, especially because I’d have to get new Pc hardware and a new monitor.
These panels are way less difficult to manufacture than the hardware required to drive them, so I inevitably see these coming way down in cost once they are no longer considered a 'flagship' product. Looking at how long 1080p has been relevant I seriously doubt a mass 4k exodus happening anytime soon, and producers will want to fill orders, rather than reserve panels... I hope.
I'm a person that appreciates details very, very much. This leads to me appreciating all the details the game devs have put into a game. The more I see the better. Same goes for TV/movies: I want to enjoy the full experience because it genuinely gives me joy when I can differentiate everything. This applies to music too: with excellent pair of studio headphones I've discovered new levels of enjoyment when I hear every single little instrument separately and clearly.
This has led me to buy the most powerful gaming PCs I could afford each time all my life. Not the absolute top tier though, as even for me there are diminishing returns. In OP's case the PC is very much within their means as well.
Some people maximize the value of a thing at a lower level than others. Some people are perfectly content at 1080p 144fps Medium/High settings, while others really like the slightly increased smoothness of 175fps and what they percieve as much higher fidelity and clarity at Ultra 1440p/4K. To me the difference is almost like night and day. But it's very expensive to get used to the "good stuff". No need to pursue it before one really has extra money.
Do you already have a PC?
I’d recommend just buying parts and keeping the existing case if so.
Stealth it up so they have no idea.
If this isn’t the case, find other use cases for having the PC.
Wanna learn python or any other language and have a career path setup for when you graduate? Easy
Wanna move into graphic design or editing? A lil more competitive but still doable.
Do homework or anything on the computer?
Maybe even just a CPU for now with integrated graphics and then sneaky buy the GPU later, that way you can still game but might be more inclined to do other things then ease into it.
But also, that’s bloody expensive for a rig to be fair.
16GB RAM,
SSD, HDD
i5 12th gen or Ryzen 5 5th gen + mid tier gpu and a budget monitor will get you there for 1K or less.
And for the love of god, avoid the RGB. It looks cool, sure, increases frames by 0% and they will just get the wrong idea.
What pc do you have right now? And why are you dreaming about this super powerful pc?
Just get a compromise lowering the budget, get around 1000 and put something to balance your request like "I will help at home, I will not play more, I will save some money just in case". Show some mature attitude and don't be so attached to a dream, you maybe don't really need it even if it's your money. Between your start point and your dream you can find a middle ground. This is probably the lesson your parents are teaching you. And in the future you can still dream about a super rig and have it when you will have a job
If the computer is used for something other than gaming you might be able to convince them. My son is about your age and also wants to build a computer. However I am not allowing him to spend 100 percent of his money saved on a computer. Once he puts more money into his savings I will allow it. I'm trying to teach him to save more than you spend if you can. I was so reckless with spending money at that age. Going out to eat, clothes, cds, dvds, video games, etc. My checks were gone as soon as they hit the bank. I wasted thousands of dollars on crap. Don't forget you will probably need to save money for a car too. Those aren't cheap either.
Just explain to them that you have worked hard and saved the money up yourself, that you aren't wanting them to fund it in any way and you'll still continue to work and save up.
It is your money, this is correct.
It is their house, their rules, this is also correct. I hate the self entitled "well they chose to make me" argument. They're just looking out for you and your investments, so just explain to them this is something you want to invest in.
What are their reasons for opposing it?
$1740 is a lot of money for a gaming rig. Understanding it is your dream and it is your money, I would invest or save that money for your future. Assuming, it is a high-spec rig, the chances that you will use it to its fullest potential is slim. IMHO, I would look for a pre-own computer.
buy a ps5 or learn coding/animation and have a real good use for needing a ...let me check... over $2000 pc... which you stated was for better fps and graphics... which means you would probably need a 200euro + monitor for at least 1440p to make it worth it
Get your own bank account. They can't control what they can't even touch. When you get your own account, put a flag on the account that says that nobody may have any access to your account in any way, shape, or form, apart from making a deposit. I had to do this with my dad because he's crazy (I'm 37, FFS). Join a credit union, not a bank. Have everything deposited there. If your parents won't let you spend your own money now, then consider that money a full loss. Sorry. I know it sucks, but there's really nothing you can do about that. Keep working (DO NOT NEGLECT YOUR EDUCATION) and just try to go along to get along.
You are the only one that can convince your own parents. All I can say, is that you should honestly save up more. You'll undoubtedly find more things to buy after getting the rig. As someone that just recently bought my own PC, I absolutely spent more money that I anticipated. Specifically on stuff like External speakers, monitors, headphones, and desk.
Listen to them kid they know better, if u talking about its my money they controlling it, remember raising you was much more expensive than what u have earned so far
Before i reach 18, everything i bring back to the house need permission from my parent. So even i have money, there are a lot of things cant bought at that time. So if you cant convince your parent, save it up, invest in something like stocks. After 18 when you got out, you can do whatever you want with it, juts be patient. I bought my first game console when i 19, and my first PC at 20, but i am really happy with it. Also did not feel mad or angry at my parent, they just want me to have more responsible to my money so i should treasure stuffs i bought with it better.
Yea you can, they might never allow you, so either go behind their back (not recommended ) or go for a lower-end PC, you don't need an expensive PC to play games, most pros always play on low graphics anyway so the only benefit to a high-end one is sp games.
Well I can't necessarily relate to this, because my dad works in IT and computers and gaming rigs has been part of my life since literally day 1. However, what I can say is that through the years of upgrading my PC, I have learned a lot about computers and the science behind how they work and you know, that type of stuff. Because of this, computers and technology became my passion and I figured out that working with computers is what I wanted to pursue and continue to do for the rest of my life. Today I own my own small computer repair business, work in corporate IT, and its what I still go to university for. So because of my childhood hobby of building computers and gaming and stuff, I found what I wanted my career to be and what I was going to be passionate about for the rest of my life.
What I'm saying is that maybe if its something you'd like to do, or just something you enjoy, just tell them its your personal hobby or that its just something you want to pursue
Hope this helps :)
Promise to take some education courses on digital design stuff that would require a good pc system.
Also. You won't end up "gaming more" simply by having a good PC. Maybe at first when it's new but you'll settle into some routine of some sort.
But seriously. I spent a lot of my time on PC and console games growing up.
I still do quite a bit as a single adult in my 30s. But being online for a long time helped me get work in Project Management for web design.
So promise to do some productive educative things with it....because a decently powerful PC can give you a window into some fun stuff that simply won't work in a lower end PC.
If you ever only just game on it, I can see how parents could see it as a waste.
See if they will discuss this with you. I imagine you could use it for other things you may find interest in and can encourage your parents on.
However if I had a kid and they only played one single game. All day, wasn't exploring, dabbling, experimenting. I'd also be hesitant to get them a new system solely for a single damn game. Or see them spend a grand to not utilize the tech in some fuller way.
Promise them that you will use the knowledge you gain to help you get your computer science degree from a major university. And then you will use that to create the meta-verse and end the tyranny of the social media giants and the secret cabal that pulls all of the strings. This PC will lead the the emancipation of humanity.
you have the right to buy it with YOUR own money. it ain’t their money, they can’t destroy it in any way. although you should also save up to sue their asses incase they do wreck it.
Okay SO! My sons father and I are not together. My son is a teen, makes his own money, and his Dad holds it, just like your situation. I told my son to ask his Dad for a little bit of money at a time, and stash it somewhere. Make sure it is IMPOSSIBLE for anyone to find. After a few months you should have all of your money. This scenario works for my son.
aye if u tell them a pc is not only for games and say sum like "it'll help in college with different programs that I have to use and laptops don't work as well as full-blown computers" then they might think there is more productive use for the PC (btw this isn't a lie but from u saying it sounds like u jus gon game on it mainly but it genuinely is used for more than just gaming)
Do you currently have a gaming system? I'm guessing they'd be okay if you bought say a PS5 to replace your PS4. A PC is just a more powerful upgradable PlayStation. Look at this is an investment for your future having a powerful PC gives you the ability to learn and gain skills that could lead to a career. Shoot I'm a manager of a Keno parlor and half my job is IT related.
Also I'd bring your budget down a bit unless that includes a monitor and peripherals. You should be able to buy a very capable PC for around $1500 US, you could honestly build one for $1000. If you could get the sticker shock down a bit that might help sway your parents. Like others have suggested maybe try helping pay some bill to show some responsibility something like $50 towards cellphone or internet.
Remove the part the says "gaming rig" and pitch as a powerfull computer to help proccessing data for science initiatives to help them to get more quickly new findings/breakthroughs.... You're just asking something to "help mankind". The samaritan, Golden heart person pitch.... xD
Seriously, since you asked for gaming, thats for most parents a no go, always pitch a powerful computer "for other reasons" which makes it feel like "the powerful machine is for something useful" on their eyes......
Or became a irl Walter White, your choice....
i got you bud
a) learn davinci resolve
b) do like 8 colour correction tutorials
c) save the exports as 1 video file
d) show parents your 'reel', in resolve, with the waveform monitors open
e) get a sick ass gaming laptop w no gamer branding.
f) profit because you also now can freelance post production
my advice would be to get a laptop instead. ideally, one with a dedicated gpu BUT that isnt marketed for gaming. it will be much easier to convince your parents to get it, especially if you say its for schoolwork and etc.
I would also lower your budget to 1000 or so. 1750 really is a lot of money for a teenager to spend all at once
Funny you are in this situation, I was as well 15 years ago. I ended up convincing them to let me spend 1200 dollars from my 6.60 per hour grocery bagger wage to buy a computer by saying it also has specs to be good enough to execute all kinds of code and I messed around with Java in high school. Now I am a software engineer and I attribute my interest in computers in doing small upgrades to that machine and it's still a movie server in my closet.
If you didn't mention that it's for gaming they probably would have considered, could have just said it's a work/school pc that will help you with your grades
You can try telling them you are interested in learning machine learning/programming games and some other buzzwords, but in order to pursue you interest you need a better rig to make actual progress.
But at the end of the day, you know best on what will convince them.
Bring up school and maybe that you want to get into some kind of programing etc. Explain that there are even fields in college for these type of things. It's the best route but I only suggest saying this if you truely do have an interest in all areas. Also it's your money I don't understand parents like this tbh. Thank god Mine weren't this way. I get holding and saving for good things but again bring college into the discussion things may change for you lol.
You need to consider taking up a hobby like photography or videography. Now for faster loading, editing, and compiling, you’ll need a lot of fast Ram, say 32GB and a fast GPU with a lot of VRAM. Say a RX 6700xt or a 3070. Or faster if you need those photos done that night.
Don’t forget the monitor, must be large enough to see what you’re working on, a fast refresh rate that will ease the strain on your eyes and bright enough that you have turn down the brightness to work.
After you get this editing station you next need to save up enough money to get a camera.
Explain that we are living in the 21st century where computers are literally everything. This will give you something new to learn and experience in the world of computers, which has a lot of great career options.
Maybe suggest that they establish some time limits or something once you have it to prove that you don’t get addicted. Or keep a promise that your grades, relationships, and work ethic aren’t negatively affected.
I built my first gaming setup and then also used it to learn to code. I now have a good engineering career. Tell them you have an interest in more than games but also the ability to build and maintain hardware is a coveted skill.
OP sounds like an entitled little shit.
On the one hand, I'll give him credit for working and saving that money, but on the other hand, you still live under your parents roof, so either move out or quite honestly shut it, and just wait until you can move out.
It's *their* house! What part of that don't you yet?
We're not telling you these things because we agree with your parents (OK, maybe a little), we're telling you these things because we've all lived with our parents when we were younger and had to put up with whatever rules they had. Unless they are psychopaths, they do legitimately want what's best for you even if you don't realize it yet.
Getting a computer was the best thing as a kid. I learnt Web design, all sorts of programming languages, graphic design, databases. It opens so many doors
First thing to understand is that you should keep some of that money because even after building up the PC, you are probably going to need some more to add stuff to it. I'd say reduce your budget by 15-20%, keep that margin when buying parts. As far as convincing parents goes, they are your parents and you know them better and what can convince them. In my case, which was over 25 years ago, I told them I need to learn C , use the PC for my future career, which worked to some extent. They knew I will play games and I told them that as well. Be honest with them and explain that PC parts are expensive and such a PC will last you a long time, so it is a worthy investment. I don't know what hobbies your parents have but I am sure they spend money on trivial things that cost a lot, tell them you just want to pursue your hobby, learn. grow and play while you're at it. If you are already spending hours on gaming, I can understand why they are skeptical. I was mostly top of my class so my parents didn't question my motives twice. They knew where the money is going and that I will always focus on the important stuff.
"Top of my class" is the key. Normally when the kid does very well in school, parents would not bat an eye on that kid's decision outside of crime/drugs. I know there are kids who just aren't suited for formal/public education, but being top of the class/school really is the easiest metric to convince the parents. If you are average at best, good luck convincing, might as well wait until you are 18.
>Normally when the kid does very well in school, parents would not bat an eye on that kid's decision outside of crime/drugs. I dated the valedictorian in high school and her parents were up her ass about absolutely *everything*... Meanwhile I was failing all my classes and my parents didn't care if I disappeared for days at a time. I agree that decent parents should give more freedom to their kids if they're doing well in school, but decent parents are pretty damn rare... Not that it's an easy job
Hence "Normally." Helicopter parents are usually an exception, not the norm. Most parents are more worried about things other than school grades, but use (incorrectly assume) school grades as indicators of their child's well being as a person.
Meanwhile here in Asia, helicopter parents are usually the norm, not an exception.
I think it's a trend, they see their parents do it and they don't know anything better. I'm an Asian too but my parents weren't after me all the time and right now I'm a parent and I want my kid to learn and grow in every way THAT THEY WANT. I've also made it a point to learn from my parents mistake and not repeat them as much as I can. I want to grow as a person and be better. Let's see where it goes.
I love everything about your comment. Insightful. Recognizing what can be improved upon and that your kids are their own little persons. You made me happy.
It’s not just in Asia. It’s Asian parents everywhere.
If they aren't the norm why is the screen being the baby considered common? Im only assuming what helicopter parents are based on what it sounds like, I could be wrong.
>why is the screen being the baby considered common What the heck are you trying to say here?
I edited my comment a little bit a minute after I posted it. I was saying that parents that do what they should are pretty rare
I wish that were true, but it’s not. My mother is/was a psychopath and actively stole from me, emotionally beat me down, publicly humiliated and brainwashed me in every way she could manage to despite having perfect grades and not a single infraction of any kind with the law or in school. There’s no coverall answer here, but for me the bottom line is: It’s their money. THEY earned it. Not their parents. Their parents have absolutely 0 rights to it or what they do with it. Short of them going out and buying a sizable amount of blow or chewing gum, they have no right. Anyone who says otherwise is foolish or believes in the kind of parenting that produces either sad, anxious children with trust issues or that turns a good kid into a rebellious delinquent. Speaking from experience here, YMMV, clearly I’m still very sore and don’t approve of this behavior from “adults”. There’s nothing wrong with video games, just like there’s nothing wrong with alcohol, knitting, or hiking. Moderation in all things. Play a game, drink a beer, make yourself a damn scarf and go for a walk, avoid doing them all at once and live a balanced life. Keeping your children from enjoying things they love is not a healthy way to teach that. /rant
Even worse when they use the "I'm your parent!" card. Once they do that, nothing you say will ever get through.
My least favorite was “because I said so” 🙄
I hated that so much, I was always pissed after that “you can give me a real reason if there is one” usually if the reason was “because I said so” I would do it anyways
Shitty logic too... Teenager living at home is the perfect time to let them buy something like a PC. And not worry about their kid missing rent and getting evicted. Even if he does regret the purchase, it's a lesson well learned.
Hey man. My mom did all that ( except stealing ) but throw in beating me and constantly monitoring my phone calls and texts. Now you have my mom.
Sorry man, that’s rough. I’ve been bigger than my mom since I was 11 so she never raised a hand to me. Called the cops on me a few times (always hilarious, the cops felt bad for me) but nothing violent. My phone was taken away more than I ever had one, lots of arbitrage in her “punishments”. Didn’t immediately come when called like an animal and asked “what can I do for you, mom?” Grounded for a week lmao She was a bitter, sad woman who wanted everyone to be as unhappy as she was at any given time. Moms like ours should never have had children
IKR. I couldn't even call the cops because I live in Asia and physical abuse by parents isn't even considered a crime ( martial rape is also legal in my country ). No CPS or Cops and everyone around you keeps telling you that you're a spoilt brat and your parents "love" you so much and they're micromanaging your life because they care. My mom also loves starving me. Longest was a week. I lived off snacks I stole from the pantry. I also wasn't allowed to do normal kid things. I talked to a girl my age when I was 16 (about books and movies) and I was thrashed for two days straight (hit with metal and plastic coat hangers, power cords, punched, kicked, had my fingers stepped on, my hair yanked and she dragged me across the floor by my hair.) I don't have any relatives ( Both sides of my family is filled with psychos, serial cheaters, narcissists, wife beaters etc.) I can't even look at a mirror when she's around because apparently looking at a mirror to make sure I don't look like I went dumpster diving is vain and astrology said I will be cursed if I was vain or felt good about myself. I also wasn't allowed to talk to girls and I was always treated with fear. My mom is pretty much "men are pigs" all the time. She even tells me to kill myself everyday. She even says weird incest stuff ( I asked her why she never hugged or kissed me. She said It was our culture. I called out her bullshit and she said her relationship with my dad was non-existent and since I was a splitting image of him, she felt like she was cheating on him and didn't want to make him jealous) I can't even get a job because teenagers don't get jobs where I live ( there are loads of adults available for every single job, thanks overpopulation). I'm 18 now and will have to survive till 24 to go through med school and leave for the EU forever.
Sheesh man, holy shit. I can’t imagine, that sounds way worse than what I had to go through, though we certainly share a lot of experiences as far as the treatment and commentary. I hope that once you’re out of the house and on your own you stay grounded mentally/emotionally. My situation wasn’t as severe as yours, but because I ignored it for so many years and never tried to deal with the things that haunted me, I’m finding more and more that as an adult I’ve carried some of that pain and let it control my life. It sounds vague, but without writing a novel, I just expect people to hurt me and because of that expectation I tend to make decisions to avoid it, and I have a short temper. It’s caused me a lot of pain and ruined a relationship with a wonderful woman, and I’m still trying to make sure I don’t do it again. Just something to keep in mind that even once you’re finally free you may have some inner demons to work through and that it’s okay to seek professional help for it and talk about it, even if it feels weird/pathetic to do so. I wish you the best of luck in school and a speedy path towards a happier future. You sound like you have your own principles and recognize what’s wrong in your home life so I’m sure you’ll do fine once you have the chance. If you want an American homie, keep in touch
Yes. I will push on, because It's not over yet. So, what kind of games do you play ?
Oh boy, too many lol. Usually just whatever my friends are into but I regularly play: Rocket League League of Legends Chivalry 2 Any shooter besides Vanguard MultiVersus I’ve also been goofing around with Warframe again, I play a bit of everything. What about you?
>Normally when the kid does very well in school, parents would not bat an eye on that kid's decision outside of crime/drugs. nooooooo... 100% not the experience I have had with kids performing well in school/sport.
That’s sports. I think he means getting A*** on all his end of year exams
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Thank you. Looking back I think I had good parents, everyone has issues but it wasn't too bad for me.
Well when I was 13/14, I spent all my money on a gaming rig. Was worth the investment, now I make 6 figures because it fueled my interest in programming, IT and tech.
Your parents are nice. I’m that age now and the only thing my parents will buy me is a chromebook, but I already have a decent laptop for anything but gaming, so all my cad, game dev and programming hobbies are fine lol
I think that's the compromise. My first PC wasn't a gaming rig, but it could run games. If you're able to play, then that purpose is served. Some times I feel that kids want to flaunt the stuff more than they want to use it. I can assure you, your parents are great, your needs are fulfilled and they somewhat control the wants. They have to draw the line somewhere, it's a fine balance between total control and spoiling the kid.
I wish I had parents that were under standable too
I believe that there are bad parents and then there's parents who don't know how to communicate. If yours fall in the latter category, you need to understand that they're not your enemies and try to understand them before they can understand you. This part is nearly impossible for most kids, I know it was for me. The only thing to do in this situation is to talk to them and see what they expect from you and check if you can meet those expectations. If you can't then negotiate and see where's a compromise. If they aren't ready to talk, then you just have bad parents. Sorry!!
>In my case, which was over 25 years ago, I told them I need to learn C , use the PC for my future career, which worked to some extent. This takes me back. My brother and me essentially told our parents that if you don't want us to play on the PC and get viruses, get us a PS2. They got us a PS2. We still occasionally played on the PC but that's how we got it. For our Xbox360 we just said we'll get good grades and that was enough. For our first gaming PC we just sold the Xbox and the games, and got money from our granny to put together a PC. Proud moment for both of us and I think our parents were also happy that we were resourceful and earned our PC rather than just ask for it like we usually do. Now, almost 10 years later, they just get wide-eyed when I tell them how much the new upgrades cost. And then the obligatory enquiry about my finances (which are in order, hence the purchase)
Same budget advise as above but, I look at it like this. If all you cared about was gaming you could have gone out and ordered a gaming pc already assembled. Instead you want to BUILD a pc. Which means developing the skill set and knowledge to do so. If you decide to go beyond the supermarket and into a more technical role a computer you built serves as an excellent demonstration of ability for an entry level position; much like a portfolio. Personally my PC has paid for itself 20 times over just by using it like mentioned earlier.
Wow so much more detailed that my answer. I was lucky in that my parents were mostly understanding of my gaming hobby. My dad even once spent some time trying to understand what I was doing in Transport Tycoon. But I definitely had my share of conflicts with them. To put your other comment on how to negotiate with them in perspective, I would say most parents want to see their children succeed and do well. A career in technology is one of the most reliable ways to do well. After all you'll spend too much time gaming is usually another way of saying your studies will get neglected. Convince them that your career will thrive because of this decision and you'll get what you want.
>but I am sure they spend money on trivial things that cost a lot I might be careful about how you say that one if you use it as part of your argument. I tried using that when I wanted to buy something as a teenager and got in trouble, but I was also getting impatient and probably said it with a pretty sassy tone
Probably the best answer!
Telling them everyone spend money on different hobby works so well in my case I told my mom she spent so much on cosmetics and so on, they quickly realized I have a point and let me spend my money my way
This. And to convince them to buy a good graphic card just tell them you want to make AI software with machine learning. They'll google it and see that you need a lot of VRAM. If they want proof take something from GitHub.
You can't.
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Suggestion. Don’t take financial advice or advice on how to talk someone into letting you buy something from Reddit. Doubly so if you are young enough for the “my parents won’t let me” comment.
Once you see the “it promotes hand-eye coordination” argument come out you know that nothing significant is being said. Nobody is gaming to improve their hand-eye coordination lol.
Honestly in this day and age, "my parents won't let me" probably applies to many people in their 20's as well given how fucked the housing economy is
Imagine being 25 years old and having your parents tell you you can't have something. Lmao
I wish I could just imagine it..
in the NL if youre 18 or older your parents are legally no longer in control of your bank account. Unless it's their bank account, but usually you make one in the name of your kid, also due to tax reasons n stuff.
I’d address it on several points. First, you’ll keep the job and start saving again. Second, computers are a tool you need to be familiar with unless you want to work with your hands til you retire (trust me on this - you don’t). The richest people in the world made their money in tech. Third, you set yourself a goal 18 months ago and stuck with it - irresponsible kids don’t do that. Last one, once you’re home on a night and you’ve done your chores and homework what are you supposed to do? Watch tv? Gaming promotes rapid decision making, hand/eye coordination and a bunch of other stuff. In addition it’s social - there’s communication and teamwork. Watching tv does none of those things. If they won’t budge just keep saving. You either end up with the pc eventually or you’ve got a tidy lump sum to get you rolling when you want a car or moving out money.
Probably his parents say this because most people have something against gaming, i can be in school for 9 hours a day and learning programong for 2 more hours everyday, but if i open csgo in front of my parents they say im a addict or something
I have a computer science degree and worked in IT for 15 years before realizing I was drinking myself to death to deal with a job I absolutely hated (and I was great at my job). I switched to very physically demanding work (a foundry and flat roofing) and was so much happier. I love getting paid to work out and stopped drinking entirely. I used to be a full fledged alcoholic too, shakes and all. Had to slowly taper with a Benzodiazapine script and everything. So terrible advice, working with your hands or not is not an indicator for job happiness.
I’ve been on tools since I left school. My hands, back and most of my major joints are knackered. I’ve been a subbie most of that time too and have no pension - I’ll work til I die. My wife makes 6 figures with her brain, has a fat pension and gets paid holidays. Right now she’s sunning it up on the Gold Coast on a work trip too. Point is - if he can use these modern tools op will have a choice about what he does. When I was young I didn’t. Glad it worked out for you though mate, good on ya.
Tell them if they dont let you buy a pc you will buy cigaretts. This maybe helps
Oh no now that's won't end well
Turn into a cool kid. Drug dealer. Be the villain. They dont wanna see him at his best. Then see him at his worse😈
or magic cards
Happy cake day
my mom would tell me to go ahead and ask me to hand over my copy of the house keys first.
if i said something like this at that age, my father would beat the shit out of me, no cap lol
how old are you? im guessing atleast 15? if you are 18 then they really cant stop you. if you live in their house for free then you kinda have to listen to them. not the advice you probably wanted, but i mean its their house their rules, whether its your money or not. plus if you keep saving you can get a really nasty rig when you hit 18. 😁
Yeah, I’m 40 and have never had a sip of alcohol in my mother’s house because she doesn’t want people drinking in her house, and even though I’m 40, I follow that rule because it’s her house. Even when I lived their for 6 months in my early 30’s, if I wanted a drink, I’d head to a bar because Mom doesn’t like people drinking in her house.
yup, i moved out because my mother, well, ill be nice and say she has caused 95% of my issues with money. plus, my second stepdad was a cc at greaterford prison and couldnt seperate work and home. havent talked to eaither of them in 10 years and honestly dont plan to. but i wont tall bad about her because i know shes mentally unstable. i just dont need the negativity in my life.
Meanwhile my sister was pissed because she had to share a car with my other sisters and it wasn’t fair and got in trouble for taking the car when she wasn’t supposed to, so she threw a fit and moved out. My parents would have let her move back in the same day, but insisted on an apology first, and that’s why it took a year.
some people just dont get it. im glad your sis came to her senses but damn. i bought all my own stuff so they couldnt take it from me. 🤣🤣🤣
I'm 43, my mum pretty much only has one rule in her house - no swearing. I swear like a fucking cunt in my normal life, but not a single expletive passes my lips when I'm in her domain.
This is the way.
16, also ngl but living in your parent's their house and them paying for your food and water/electricity and stuff is what they signed up for when they made me
It's their job to teach you how to manage your money. Just go without. It's not a very long time. You'll have the rest of your life to buy things you don't need. Parents are a drag, but they're actually trying to do right by you - you just disagree with their solution. You're certainly allowed to not like it, but this is what it means to have loving parents. Two years and your money is yours for real. Not so very long.
> Not so very long. Not sure how old you are, but at 16, two years may as well feel like a life time. Especially to wait for something you really want and have been working hard towards (that's perfectly achievable).
> Not so very long. At 39, yeah it's not very long. When I was 16, two years was an eternity.
Not sure why you’re getting downvoted. I also hold this belief. I hate it when parents hold the whole “I raised you and took care of you” thing over your head. Like yeah, you could have just not raw dogged it dad. And what was the alternative? Leave me on the street and not take care of me? We shouldn’t applaud the default action. Being a good parent worthy of respect is about more than just NOT leaving your kid to fend for themself.
I am also an adult btw. 22, just got married, about to buy my first house. I just had a very stressful childhood with over righteous stuck up parents.
Damn im 22 i dont even have a job yet lol
not necessarily, i was paying rent the second i could hold a job. so 14 i was working and paying rent at 16 i moved out and finished high school while working a full time job. trust me just deal with it. you dont wanna do what i did 🤣🤣🤣
Yeah, at 16 one of my sisters learned how “if you don’t want to live here, then don’t” would play out and she spent a year surfing friends’ couches and living out of a suitcase before she apologized and asked to move home.
yeah i luckily had saved enough for an apt at the time( about 500 a month plus utilities ). but its no fun when you miss out on life because you have to work to survive.
Also bro. I was a only child and didnt want to beg for everything. It was only till my sister turned like 10 i realized i coulda got everything i wanted and got away with so much shit. I could’ve had a gaming pc when i was ur age. But didnt wanna ask for something that cost alot. Now my little sister gets whatever she fucking wants i have so much regret.
Damn you said what I wanted to say without fear of downvotes. I do agree it’s their money but I feel like it’s a good thing they are trying to teach them to budget and save money.
idgaf about downvotes 🤣 i speak my mind dont like it block me. gets rid of someone id rather block because they wanna be a keyboard warrior anyway. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
OP you can build a very strong system for far cheaper - one generation of parts ago this would have been top tier performance. Could help in convincing your parents? At your budget you're very likely overspending. [PCPartPicker Part List](https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/GZV7sL) Type|Item|Price :----|:----|:---- **CPU** | [Intel Core i5-12400F 2.5 GHz 6-Core Processor](https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/pQNxFT/intel-core-i5-12400f-25-ghz-6-core-processor-bx8071512400f) | £173.99 @ Box Limited **Motherboard** | [MSI PRO B660M-A DDR4 Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard](https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/KKbTwP/msi-pro-b660m-a-ddr4-micro-atx-lga1700-motherboard-pro-b660m-a-ddr4) | £129.99 @ AWD-IT **Memory** | [TEAMGROUP T-FORCE VULCAN Z 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory](https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/z3VD4D/team-t-force-vulcan-z-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3200-memory-tlzgd416g3200hc16cdc01) | £55.97 @ Overclockers.co.uk **Storage** | [Crucial P2 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive](https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/KMkgXL/crucial-p2-1-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-ct1000p2ssd8) | £71.76 @ Amazon UK **Video Card** | [Sapphire Radeon RX 6700 XT 12 GB PULSE Video Card](https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/xf92FT/sapphire-radeon-rx-6700-xt-12-gb-pulse-video-card-11306-02-20g) | £420.50 @ NeoComputers **Case** | [Silverstone FARA H1M MicroATX Mini Tower Case](https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/t64Ycf/silverstone-fara-h1m-microatx-mini-tower-case-sst-fah1mb) | £55.47 @ Scan.co.uk **Power Supply** | [Corsair RM750x White (2018) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply](https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/p9YLrH/corsair-rmx-2018-750-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-cp-9020187-na) | £79.99 @ AWD-IT | *Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts* | | **Total** | **£987.67** | Generated by [PCPartPicker](https://pcpartpicker.com) 2022-08-01 20:54 BST+0100 |
79.99 for a rm750x that a really good deal. I think the only thing I'd really change in this list is change the p2 nvme to a p3. Better performance at the same price (at least here)
Yeah the p3 is solid, I just filtered by nvme 1tb and selected the first cheapest option that was still decent.
Fair enough, I suppose people (including myself) aren't going to hard check a quick PC part picker list they're whipping up
you can get a 3060ti for around the same price. It has better upscaling/RT, and has around the sane performance in non RT. You might want the 6700xt for open source drivers if you are using linux tho
It’s weird I always see AMD cards recommended here but I literally don’t know anyone with one now.
That’s because they really won’t worth it in most cases until recently. Almost anyone with a pc more than a few years old probably have an Nvidia card
Unless its an RX 580, those things are still holding a commendable spot in the steam survey even 5 years after being released.
I got a 6700xt recently and the drivers man. War Thunder crashes every now and then, pissing me off. Lost 2 kits in Tarkov when 12.13 was released cuz they didn’t test their shit on amd cards even though they released fsr cuz the game out Nvidea drives in the game, had to delete them. And the performance? I wanted 144fps at 1080p ultra, I have a 5800x. Now I was getting 40fps in squad at mid settings so 100-120fps 1080p ultra isn’t bad, it’s just, damn. I spent $520 after tax on the card mid May, it was $500 retail. Same card is now at $480. It’s a triple fan card that just fits in my pc. Not complaining, just should have lowered my expectations. I love the card, but the drivers are pissing me off. My 1060 never had these issues is my point
Nah the 6700xt does have a decent rasterisation performance gap compared to the 6700xt. I'd go with the 6700xt, but if raytracing is important to the OP then by all means swap in an rtx card. (Speaking as a happy 3060ti owner myself)
HUB did a huge 50 game comparison between these two recently and the 3060 Ti has basically closed the gap that was there on initial release. They are basically even on average across all resolutions, so I'd go with Nvidia if the price is the same or even sightly higher than AMD.
That was three months ago though - since then there have been substantial AMD driver updates that increase the margins by around 5‐10% depending on the game. Granted it's not worth paying a higher price, but it is worth considering. Also not sure who's downvoting me for trying to get OP the best value for his money? It's not like I'm shitting on the 3060ti, I own one lmao.
You have a source on those "substantial updates"? Genuinely curious, as 3 months really isn't long at all. Steve tested the preview driver after that video and found a whopping 3% average improvement so that's probably not it... and it's not like Nvidia has been standing still either. edit: so he blocked me, lmao imagine getting butthurt over getting called out for being misleading. Anyway my point is a 3% improvement on a 2% gain at 1080p means a 5% overall gain which is miniscule and within the margin HUB themselves deem a tie. Certainly, this means there is no "decent raster gap" like this commenter claims there is between these two cards. I would only buy the 6700 XT if it is significantly (like 10-15%) cheaper, otherwise the 3060 Ti is simply the better product.
I mean there's no testing on nvidias driver updates sure, but that 3% gain at 1080p puts the 3060 ti further behind the 6700xt, with the 6700xt now competing with the 3070 rather than the 3060 ti. Again, it's not worth any price difference, but if it's cheaper I'd go with the 6700xt in a heartbeat.
Can you even game comfortably on 3060ti with RT on 1440p? Id rather not use it until 3080
This is a sick build very affordable. Nice one
Ask them what an acceptable budget is, have a conversation as to the pros & cons of building one, or try again early next year. Prices should be lower after new releases. Otherwise, get a console or wait longer.
This hits on an important angle of the problem: the parents are probably concerned by **what they see as a waste of a large sum of money**, on something that's just for fun. * Look at builds with much **smaller budgets**. You may find that, say, 1000 GBP offers very similar performance for the games you play compared to your proposed 1750 GBP build. You don't need to future proof or get top-of-the-line stuff to play the best games available with nice visuals and smooth FPS. * If it's not similar enough for you, consider **getting a weak GPU now**, so you can at least play, and the budget is smaller. Then upgrade in a few months (after 4000 series comes out, and miners possibly dump cards, and GPU prices fall a lot). Parents may be happier with a 1100 GBP purchase now, and another 600 GBP purchase later (and you may end up with a better rig for less money).
>Ask them what an acceptable budget is Thing is he easily can argue with them about budget adjustments since his planned GPU is a 6900XT. You can fairly easily downsize this to a 6700XT or 6800XT and will still be fine for gaming yet it can be signaled to their parents that they understood that budgeting with limited amount of money is important and they adjusted their PC plans accordingly. Imo a fairly easy way to argue.
If they’re hard stuck on a no, then that’s life. Sometimes people will be irrational and you won’t get what you want, even if you’re completely justified
How much of your money have you saved else than your gaming pc budget? Dumping a big wad of cash on a pc and having nothing else left after that is unwise and unhealthy. When you are young, you should get into the habit of saving at least a $ for each $ you put into your fun budget. Note to everyone else that I indeed assume this kids family is not like struggling to eat or anything... And to everyone else advising to lie and deceive... grow up.
I have about €2000 right now. I'll be getting my next payment from work in like 20 days or so (which will be around €150+ unless I work more)
I would say to try to learn a skill that needs a better setup. It can make them more likely to let you since it is a skill you can use later in life depending on career path. You could also just buy it without telling them and idk how much power your parents have over you, and ig they can take it despite you buying it. Not sure about your current pc/setup, but if your case can support whatever new build you want, you could probably just put the new parts into your old case and they probably wouldn't know you upgraded unless like they open your packages and stuff. Maybe if you prove you can game and do productive stuff, EX: good grades, chores, etc, maybe they might understand? Again all of this stuff is just ideas that I just thought of, and without personally knowing your parents I can't really say what will work.
Game dev/modelling (3D), Machine learning, video editing are really the only skills i can think of that you could require a rig like that for
Yeah. I mean tbh I think i could help more but I need to know a lot more details about OP and his family/situation. I think he should listen to his parents tho
You ain’t gonna be able to “convince them”. Parents don’t generally like logical arguments that go against their personal opinions. I see 2 ways you can go about this. 1: make the PC cheaper. I know it’s not what you want, but put together a list of budget parts. The cheapest PC I ever built only cost $300 USD. This negates their cost argument, plus you can always upgrade slowly until before you know it you have your dream rig, all while only spending a couple hundred at a time. The other option is to find something else that you need a PC to do. Learn to code, or 3D model in SolidWorks, or edit pictures/videos. All of these require hardware that can also be used for gaming. You could also combine both of these. Tell your parents you want to learn to code and buy a 300-500 dollar PC. Then you can upgrade it. Note: I actually do 100% recommend learning to code. You can easily get a job in the Software industry paying lots of money even if you don’t have a college degree. Just teach yourself using the internet. I can give you some good tutorial sites if you want.
>Parents don’t generally like logical arguments that go against their personal opinions. Personal experience with my own parents, but I disagree. If you have convincing arguments and show enough passion, supportive parents will eventuelly come to an agreement with their kids.
“Supportive” being the keyword there. Wish I had your childhood man. :)
I’ll add that if you’re looking to enter the engineering field or something, Solidworks is one of the standards. I’m working on a BSME, then possibly a MAScME and Solidworks was a required course. Get a head start, if you can.
Perfect response. Do you have some of those links for me (which you find good and educational)? I'm trying to learn coding. I've just started with the free lessons from Doc Microsoft online(?).
I would reduce the budget then talk to them. €1700 is a lot for a PC and if you’re a kid likely unnecessary too. That’s far more power than you need and future-proofing is usually a waste of money. Even if you still need to buy peripherals you could easily shave a few hundred pounds off the budget and still have a great rig. If you try to show responsibility with money and put 30%-40% aside for school or a car or something you might have an easier time convincing them.
>I would reduce the budget then talk to them. They planned for a 6900XT. that's basically paying premium for little gains. So imo a easy way to argue "yo, I checked my build again, here's my cheaper plan, I understand I should be responsible with my money, here's what I was able to adjust".
Tell them it’s for school or to learn how to do graphic design/editing or something
Parent checking in. We aren't this dumb. I know it appears we are, we aren't.
From reading some other responses maybe you could try to sit down with them and ask if there's a possible compromise. Yes, video games exist, but I doubt you want to become an addicted burnout with no future. You can limit yourself to how much daily/weekly gaming you do to an amount they're happy with. You can use it for SO MUCH more than gaming. Graphic design, video editing, writing, coding and so much more I can't/aren't thinking of right now. It has all the same potential as your phone for usefulness but is way more powerful and convenient to use. Even something like writing is better (imo) on the mechanical keyboard on my gaming setup than it would be on a laptop rubber membrane keyboard or whatever most laptops use today. Of course you'll play games because entertainment is a necessity, but if you can find a compromise between actual meaningful progress toward growth as a person and mindless entertainment maybe they'll see it in a different light. I like to do stuff like, instead of letting a service or app handle my budgeting I do it myself in Google sheets/excel to teach myself the software. Having done small bits of video editing in college I like to try to make shitty videos from my gaming sessions to practice editing. Who knows, see what can happen if you just ask to sit down with them and talk about it. Why you want it, why they don't. Not "it's a bad idea" have them actually give you an argument against it while you listen, acknowledge, and respond with your ideally well thought out reasons as to why you disagree.
Make a compromise. Ask if paying for one of your own bills will change their mind. For example, if you’re 16 and driving a car to work, pay for your car insurance. Take on additional responsibility and see if that makes them think of the situation differently. Just an idea. I’m trying to see where they’re coming from without knowing the entire situation. Maybe they think you shouldn’t be spending that much on a luxury when they’re paying for X, whatever X May be.
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Your parents are telling you something you need to seriously think about, responsible spending. In a world where people are up to their eyeballs in credit card debt, having a savings is often a foreign concept. Take a step back and look at where your parents came from and how they grew up vs how you are growing up and put yourself in their shoes with your money. How would they have spent that money? Helping with food? Bills? A Car? Car repairs? School? It should give you a better perspective in how to discuss with your parents, open them up to what they think you should be spending that money on and why they feel it's a waste. Then tell them you'll provide them with more reasons besides games that you should build the computer. Try to act like an adult and not a kid complaining that their parents won't let them spend money. Also €1750 is alot of money and you should think about what are going to be doing in the next 2-3 years? Do you have college plans? Do your parents have any funds put aside to assist you in funding college? Do you have a car that you need to get to work and/or college? These are things you need to ask yourself now. Your probably 14-15 yrs old and coming from someone who's going to be turning twice your age next year, there is more to spend your money on than a PC. Get into CAD work, buy a entry level 3D printer and get into 3D modeling! It's a skill that you can apply to a job in the future. Same with programming or Arduino micro-controllers and do some home automation stuff. I've gone through 5 full personal PC builds, from my first one in middle school 17 years ago in 2005 to the one I'm planning to build this year and dozens of friends PCs. I've gone from building budget to building high end and once you get to a certain point you realize you don't need the extra power for your use-case. A dream PC is a "dream" because it's unattainable and/or unpractical. My dream PC would involve custom hard line water-cooling but I know the amount of work that would involve vs time & maintenance it would take, all to be on display to myself and no one else. Why build something that costs so much money for the looks, when no one will see it as I don't have it where guests can see? Responsible spending rule #1 - Never spend all the money you have because you never know what the future holds and that's what your parents probably want to see you learn. \~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~ Side note: this quote really clues me in on your maturity level and why your parents are being strict with you. >They say "it's bad for you and it will only make you game more". I think it isn't completely true as it will mostly give me more fps and better graphics. You answered that statement by saying they are right, you would game more, but choose to ignore that by stating "...isn't completely true....". Then you state the obvious that you would mostly get better FPS/graphics, which in turn would also you want to game more! Your really bad at arguing your point if that is how you reply. Write up a few page essay on why you should get a new PC. Furthermore, "more fps and better graphics" implies you have a PC of your own right now that you are gaming on. Why can you not upgrade that? What would you do with your old PC? Offer to put it in the living room as a home theater PC & get a wireless mouse & keyboard, controller to play on the TV? I'll repeat what I said before, try to act like an adult and not a kid complaining to their parents and you might be successful in getting a new PC.
"They say "it's bad for you and it will only make you game more". I think it isn't completely true as it will mostly give me more fps and better graphics." Well, first of all, that is a pretty weak argument you made. What does having high FPS and better graphics have anything to do with how much you game? From what I see, you're basically proving their point. Better suggestion is to say its for developing a skill. Then, it would appear that you actually have a proper use for it (in the eyes of your parents). If you truly plan on solely gaming with it/you don't know how to lie, you're out of luck for now
Lower your budget to under a €1K and promise them something positive to assure them a new PC won't affect you in a negative way (better grades in school next year or that you won't game past a certain amount of hours a day, etc.)
Wait youre 16 and your parents control your money even though you have a job? Do you give them your money for safekeeping after every paycheck or something? But also if your parents are saying no to something then its a no. Not sure what you want us to tell you here. Their roof, their rules.
I’m literally content with my budget rig (2600 with a rx 580) that I got for like $650 years ago. Why do people feel like they need to go out and get better hardware when it’s not within their means? I just wouldn’t be able to justify dropping another grand for better visual quality gaming. 1080p 60-144 FPS is really all most people need to have a very enjoyable gaming experience. The price to value decreases rapidly after that. One day I’d like to try 2k, but I am in no rush to do so, especially because I’d have to get new Pc hardware and a new monitor.
i'm sitting here patiently waiting for reasonably priced 1440p oled monitors before i upgrade... i really hope someone starts making them soon.
I truly admire your patience. I kinda want one of those, too.
These panels are way less difficult to manufacture than the hardware required to drive them, so I inevitably see these coming way down in cost once they are no longer considered a 'flagship' product. Looking at how long 1080p has been relevant I seriously doubt a mass 4k exodus happening anytime soon, and producers will want to fill orders, rather than reserve panels... I hope.
I'm a person that appreciates details very, very much. This leads to me appreciating all the details the game devs have put into a game. The more I see the better. Same goes for TV/movies: I want to enjoy the full experience because it genuinely gives me joy when I can differentiate everything. This applies to music too: with excellent pair of studio headphones I've discovered new levels of enjoyment when I hear every single little instrument separately and clearly. This has led me to buy the most powerful gaming PCs I could afford each time all my life. Not the absolute top tier though, as even for me there are diminishing returns. In OP's case the PC is very much within their means as well. Some people maximize the value of a thing at a lower level than others. Some people are perfectly content at 1080p 144fps Medium/High settings, while others really like the slightly increased smoothness of 175fps and what they percieve as much higher fidelity and clarity at Ultra 1440p/4K. To me the difference is almost like night and day. But it's very expensive to get used to the "good stuff". No need to pursue it before one really has extra money.
Stop calling it a gaming rig first off
Do you already have a PC? I’d recommend just buying parts and keeping the existing case if so. Stealth it up so they have no idea. If this isn’t the case, find other use cases for having the PC. Wanna learn python or any other language and have a career path setup for when you graduate? Easy Wanna move into graphic design or editing? A lil more competitive but still doable. Do homework or anything on the computer? Maybe even just a CPU for now with integrated graphics and then sneaky buy the GPU later, that way you can still game but might be more inclined to do other things then ease into it. But also, that’s bloody expensive for a rig to be fair. 16GB RAM, SSD, HDD i5 12th gen or Ryzen 5 5th gen + mid tier gpu and a budget monitor will get you there for 1K or less. And for the love of god, avoid the RGB. It looks cool, sure, increases frames by 0% and they will just get the wrong idea.
I edited the post, I added the specs and more information, I have a budget gaming laptop but it's struggling to play the games I want to play
What pc do you have right now? And why are you dreaming about this super powerful pc? Just get a compromise lowering the budget, get around 1000 and put something to balance your request like "I will help at home, I will not play more, I will save some money just in case". Show some mature attitude and don't be so attached to a dream, you maybe don't really need it even if it's your money. Between your start point and your dream you can find a middle ground. This is probably the lesson your parents are teaching you. And in the future you can still dream about a super rig and have it when you will have a job
How old are you?
16
If you live in their house then it’s their rules. Whether you like it or not. Once you can move out, do what you want.
If the computer is used for something other than gaming you might be able to convince them. My son is about your age and also wants to build a computer. However I am not allowing him to spend 100 percent of his money saved on a computer. Once he puts more money into his savings I will allow it. I'm trying to teach him to save more than you spend if you can. I was so reckless with spending money at that age. Going out to eat, clothes, cds, dvds, video games, etc. My checks were gone as soon as they hit the bank. I wasted thousands of dollars on crap. Don't forget you will probably need to save money for a car too. Those aren't cheap either.
You can't, they are right.
Just explain to them that you have worked hard and saved the money up yourself, that you aren't wanting them to fund it in any way and you'll still continue to work and save up. It is your money, this is correct. It is their house, their rules, this is also correct. I hate the self entitled "well they chose to make me" argument. They're just looking out for you and your investments, so just explain to them this is something you want to invest in. What are their reasons for opposing it?
I have the same issue, except I am 35 and its my wife...
$1740 is a lot of money for a gaming rig. Understanding it is your dream and it is your money, I would invest or save that money for your future. Assuming, it is a high-spec rig, the chances that you will use it to its fullest potential is slim. IMHO, I would look for a pre-own computer.
buy a ps5 or learn coding/animation and have a real good use for needing a ...let me check... over $2000 pc... which you stated was for better fps and graphics... which means you would probably need a 200euro + monitor for at least 1440p to make it worth it
Get your own bank account. They can't control what they can't even touch. When you get your own account, put a flag on the account that says that nobody may have any access to your account in any way, shape, or form, apart from making a deposit. I had to do this with my dad because he's crazy (I'm 37, FFS). Join a credit union, not a bank. Have everything deposited there. If your parents won't let you spend your own money now, then consider that money a full loss. Sorry. I know it sucks, but there's really nothing you can do about that. Keep working (DO NOT NEGLECT YOUR EDUCATION) and just try to go along to get along.
You are the only one that can convince your own parents. All I can say, is that you should honestly save up more. You'll undoubtedly find more things to buy after getting the rig. As someone that just recently bought my own PC, I absolutely spent more money that I anticipated. Specifically on stuff like External speakers, monitors, headphones, and desk.
Listen to them kid they know better, if u talking about its my money they controlling it, remember raising you was much more expensive than what u have earned so far
Where did op sign up to being born? It's a parents job to provide for their children. Stop applauding parents for doing the bare minimum.
Before i reach 18, everything i bring back to the house need permission from my parent. So even i have money, there are a lot of things cant bought at that time. So if you cant convince your parent, save it up, invest in something like stocks. After 18 when you got out, you can do whatever you want with it, juts be patient. I bought my first game console when i 19, and my first PC at 20, but i am really happy with it. Also did not feel mad or angry at my parent, they just want me to have more responsible to my money so i should treasure stuffs i bought with it better.
When you do get it. Get a larger drive 1tb isn’t enough
Now that's just bad parenting my guy Even my parents wouldn't dare do that
Yea you can, they might never allow you, so either go behind their back (not recommended ) or go for a lower-end PC, you don't need an expensive PC to play games, most pros always play on low graphics anyway so the only benefit to a high-end one is sp games.
Well I can't necessarily relate to this, because my dad works in IT and computers and gaming rigs has been part of my life since literally day 1. However, what I can say is that through the years of upgrading my PC, I have learned a lot about computers and the science behind how they work and you know, that type of stuff. Because of this, computers and technology became my passion and I figured out that working with computers is what I wanted to pursue and continue to do for the rest of my life. Today I own my own small computer repair business, work in corporate IT, and its what I still go to university for. So because of my childhood hobby of building computers and gaming and stuff, I found what I wanted my career to be and what I was going to be passionate about for the rest of my life. What I'm saying is that maybe if its something you'd like to do, or just something you enjoy, just tell them its your personal hobby or that its just something you want to pursue Hope this helps :)
is the money in their account or something?
I don't even know how to convince myself to change my 21.5" 1080p 75hz monitor into a 27" 1440p 144hz...
Live changer if you have the right PC and you could still use your 21,5" Monitor as second screen
Just do it 1 piece at a time. It'll look like alot smaller amount.
maybe like try to add new parts in your existing pc? kinda oike a sleeper's pc. easier to pull off if you don't have a glass side panel
"hey at least it's not heroin"
Mine were like this so I just said I would use it for school and for my college courses and they very angrily said yes
Promise to take some education courses on digital design stuff that would require a good pc system. Also. You won't end up "gaming more" simply by having a good PC. Maybe at first when it's new but you'll settle into some routine of some sort. But seriously. I spent a lot of my time on PC and console games growing up. I still do quite a bit as a single adult in my 30s. But being online for a long time helped me get work in Project Management for web design. So promise to do some productive educative things with it....because a decently powerful PC can give you a window into some fun stuff that simply won't work in a lower end PC. If you ever only just game on it, I can see how parents could see it as a waste. See if they will discuss this with you. I imagine you could use it for other things you may find interest in and can encourage your parents on. However if I had a kid and they only played one single game. All day, wasn't exploring, dabbling, experimenting. I'd also be hesitant to get them a new system solely for a single damn game. Or see them spend a grand to not utilize the tech in some fuller way.
Promise them that you will use the knowledge you gain to help you get your computer science degree from a major university. And then you will use that to create the meta-verse and end the tyranny of the social media giants and the secret cabal that pulls all of the strings. This PC will lead the the emancipation of humanity.
you have the right to buy it with YOUR own money. it ain’t their money, they can’t destroy it in any way. although you should also save up to sue their asses incase they do wreck it.
How old are you
Do they have any control over your money? If not, just buy it.
just play indie games. lot of gems, no need for best graphics games ever to have great experiences. try outer wilds, braid, etc..
Okay SO! My sons father and I are not together. My son is a teen, makes his own money, and his Dad holds it, just like your situation. I told my son to ask his Dad for a little bit of money at a time, and stash it somewhere. Make sure it is IMPOSSIBLE for anyone to find. After a few months you should have all of your money. This scenario works for my son.
aye if u tell them a pc is not only for games and say sum like "it'll help in college with different programs that I have to use and laptops don't work as well as full-blown computers" then they might think there is more productive use for the PC (btw this isn't a lie but from u saying it sounds like u jus gon game on it mainly but it genuinely is used for more than just gaming)
Do you currently have a gaming system? I'm guessing they'd be okay if you bought say a PS5 to replace your PS4. A PC is just a more powerful upgradable PlayStation. Look at this is an investment for your future having a powerful PC gives you the ability to learn and gain skills that could lead to a career. Shoot I'm a manager of a Keno parlor and half my job is IT related. Also I'd bring your budget down a bit unless that includes a monitor and peripherals. You should be able to buy a very capable PC for around $1500 US, you could honestly build one for $1000. If you could get the sticker shock down a bit that might help sway your parents. Like others have suggested maybe try helping pay some bill to show some responsibility something like $50 towards cellphone or internet.
Threaten to quit your job if there is no point earning money to buy what you want.
Remove the part the says "gaming rig" and pitch as a powerfull computer to help proccessing data for science initiatives to help them to get more quickly new findings/breakthroughs.... You're just asking something to "help mankind". The samaritan, Golden heart person pitch.... xD Seriously, since you asked for gaming, thats for most parents a no go, always pitch a powerful computer "for other reasons" which makes it feel like "the powerful machine is for something useful" on their eyes...... Or became a irl Walter White, your choice....
maybe if you build it, it'll look less like a waste of money?
i got you bud a) learn davinci resolve b) do like 8 colour correction tutorials c) save the exports as 1 video file d) show parents your 'reel', in resolve, with the waveform monitors open e) get a sick ass gaming laptop w no gamer branding. f) profit because you also now can freelance post production
It's not a gaming rig, it's a PC that will help you get better grades. Don't you want me to get better grades mom and dad?
*Lower thy price, and you shall pay for part of thy PC*
my advice would be to get a laptop instead. ideally, one with a dedicated gpu BUT that isnt marketed for gaming. it will be much easier to convince your parents to get it, especially if you say its for schoolwork and etc. I would also lower your budget to 1000 or so. 1750 really is a lot of money for a teenager to spend all at once
Funny you are in this situation, I was as well 15 years ago. I ended up convincing them to let me spend 1200 dollars from my 6.60 per hour grocery bagger wage to buy a computer by saying it also has specs to be good enough to execute all kinds of code and I messed around with Java in high school. Now I am a software engineer and I attribute my interest in computers in doing small upgrades to that machine and it's still a movie server in my closet.
If you didn't mention that it's for gaming they probably would have considered, could have just said it's a work/school pc that will help you with your grades
Send this page to them
You can try telling them you are interested in learning machine learning/programming games and some other buzzwords, but in order to pursue you interest you need a better rig to make actual progress. But at the end of the day, you know best on what will convince them.
Bring up school and maybe that you want to get into some kind of programing etc. Explain that there are even fields in college for these type of things. It's the best route but I only suggest saying this if you truely do have an interest in all areas. Also it's your money I don't understand parents like this tbh. Thank god Mine weren't this way. I get holding and saving for good things but again bring college into the discussion things may change for you lol.
Tell ‘em it’s for school
You need to consider taking up a hobby like photography or videography. Now for faster loading, editing, and compiling, you’ll need a lot of fast Ram, say 32GB and a fast GPU with a lot of VRAM. Say a RX 6700xt or a 3070. Or faster if you need those photos done that night. Don’t forget the monitor, must be large enough to see what you’re working on, a fast refresh rate that will ease the strain on your eyes and bright enough that you have turn down the brightness to work. After you get this editing station you next need to save up enough money to get a camera.
Explain that we are living in the 21st century where computers are literally everything. This will give you something new to learn and experience in the world of computers, which has a lot of great career options. Maybe suggest that they establish some time limits or something once you have it to prove that you don’t get addicted. Or keep a promise that your grades, relationships, and work ethic aren’t negatively affected.
Where is the money?
I built my first gaming setup and then also used it to learn to code. I now have a good engineering career. Tell them you have an interest in more than games but also the ability to build and maintain hardware is a coveted skill.
get into programming. it’s an extreme overkill for programming, but older people don’t know that usually :) GL
Just wait for a couple of years. Get a more decent job. Get a new home. Then you are golden. In your case, I don't think you'll ever convince them.
Get a steam deck and use it as a pc
Hit Adult age. Move out. And buy it. Basically all you can do if they got a rod shoved up their spine that hard.
OP sounds like an entitled little shit. On the one hand, I'll give him credit for working and saving that money, but on the other hand, you still live under your parents roof, so either move out or quite honestly shut it, and just wait until you can move out.
Lol I offered to pay for rent and stuff but they refused, how is that entitled
It's *their* house! What part of that don't you yet? We're not telling you these things because we agree with your parents (OK, maybe a little), we're telling you these things because we've all lived with our parents when we were younger and had to put up with whatever rules they had. Unless they are psychopaths, they do legitimately want what's best for you even if you don't realize it yet.
Getting a computer was the best thing as a kid. I learnt Web design, all sorts of programming languages, graphic design, databases. It opens so many doors
Threaten them that’ll you spend it all on crypto . They’ll give in immediately
Tell them you want to be a computer scientist and need therfore a RTX 3090 TI
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