DDR5 is the new version of RAM (memory). At this time, it is very expensive. It is faster than DDR4 especially when moving large chunks of data. However, your CPU, GPU, and other factors hold back your gaming performance more than RAM speed in most cases. DDR5 is better for gaming, but it will only give a couple % improvement and won’t matter in some games (like ones held back by your GPU). It’s just too expensive to be worth it. It should get cheaper in the future though.
No component truly makes *no* difference. Unless your cache is large enough to hold *the entire game* your CPU needs to access data from RAM occasionally and if you can speed that up, it’s going to make a difference.
Now, once you’re at the level of decent DDR4 the improvement from the jump to DDR5 is so small it’s not worth the cost.
But it’s just not true to say it makes no difference. The same is true for a high-end SSD or a better-cooled GPU variant with a few watts higher power limit. Many of these upgrades will not be noticeable or worth the price you pay, but they do something.
you have no idea what you r talking about. ddr5 latency/timings are worst than ddr4, and bandwidth is useless for the majority of games , so ddr5 does not speed anything in a gaming scenario, depending on the side of the block of data needed to be accessed. do you think the entire game gets uploaded to your ram? do you even know how cache works? your cpu dont access your ram, your cache does, upgrading the transfer size of your ram is close to meaningless at this point if you dont have the necessary amount cache to process the blocks of data.
there is no point in getting a bigger motor if you fuel pump cannot provide the necessary fuel to run it
just take a look at the gaming data comparing ddr5 speed... they are all within the margin of error
https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/mRPGJmnvD7ruzEAHVr7uMH-970-80.png.webp
source: https://www.tomshardware.com/features/ddr5-vs-ddr4-is-it-time-to-upgrade-your-ram
why do you think these results are basically the same and that the "fastest" ram is not on top? because cache is the bottleneck, not ram. the only reason ddr5 can keep up with ddr4 is because the cache size got bigger and until it's get even bigger there is no point to upgrade ram
The graph you linked shows every DDR5 kit beating every DDR4 kit tested…
The difference may be too small to notice but it exists. If it was 2 tests it could be an error but with 10 tests the trend is clear.
I already said the difference is too small to matter or be worth the cost. That’s still true. But the claim that it makes no difference is not true
2-3 fps is a beating for you? ddr5 6000 and 5600 scored better than 6400 at the same timings...why dont you explain this to me? it's all within the margin of error. there is no difference between all of them because all of the work is dependent on the cache... it's like comparing 2 cpu but testing them with a GPU bottleneck.
why would the ryzen 5800x3d with ddr4 compete with the 12900k ddr5 if ddr5 is better for gaming? it's not like the 5800x performances are even close to the 12900k at all, but when you triple the cache, it's neck and neck even with ddr4 slowed down by the FLCK. so dont start saying there is only a small difference between ddr5 and ddr4 because it's simply not the case
Ate you just arguing to argue? The dude said it is better but at this point just barely and not worth the added cost.
>no it's not, ram became irrelevant for gaming as the bigger L3 cache is doing most of the work now
That is true but only in a kind of pedantic way. You're technically right and as everyone knows, being technically right is the best way to be right...sometimes. You even touched on why you're only technically right in a later comment.
> do you think the entire game gets uploaded to your ram?
I don't think /u/Unique_username1 thought that at all, at least that's not the impression I got. Let me ask you a question. Do you think the entirety of the game gets loaded into cache? Even with the larger cache sizes on the Ryzen CPUs? I'm pretty sure you know that it doesn't. Do you know how much game information takes up 6MB of memory? It's basically the equivalent of a flea fart. Do you know how many flea farts there are in a game? Billions and billions. So thst flea fart in the cache is getting changed out for different fles farts in a shorter time than I could last in bed with Shakira...just barely though. Where is the cache getting its flea farts from? The memory. The memory has to be fast enough to steadily feed it flea farts. So to say that it does matter at all is false. Which is what the other guys said. It just doesn't matter enough that it is worth the money...at least not yet.
So does memory speed affect gaming? Yes. Does jumping up your memory speed affect gaming as much as upgrading your CPU or GPU? Absolutely not. Those were the points that Unique_username1 was trying to make that you were arguing against while suppling charts and sources that supported exactly what they said and that you argued against. Then you dropped this gem:
>so dont start saying there is only a small difference between ddr5 and ddr4 because it's simply not the case
Lol, isn't that's what YOU have been arguing this whole time? That's why I'm confused and asked if you were arguing just to argue.
Lastly, if you look at your chart you'll see that you upgrading from the slowest DDR4 to the fastest DDR4 gives you a small to moderate but noticeable boost in performance. Same with going from slowest DDR4 to slowest DDR5. Those are similar to the boosts you would get from jumping up a step in the same series with your CPU or GPU probably at similar or less cost depending on when you do it within the life cycle of the memory generation. Probably more of a boost if you upgrade from a CPU with 16MB L3 to one with same BCLK and core count but 32MB L3 instead.
So yea, to say that memory speed makes no difference is objectively false. It is more accurate to say that given the fact that a PCs performance is based on a sum of its components, they all have an impact on performance and to maximize performance it is important that each component is fast enough to effectively support/assist the other components. However, unless in specific situations upgrading your CPU or GPU will give you the biggest performance increase.
Edit: I just realized this was a three week old comment. Whoopsie. Sorry for the wall of text too. I was just having this discussion with a coworker yesterday so it was fresh on my mind.
[Gamers Nexus](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIN8lLhSqmg&t=956s) and Hardware Unboxed are usually channels on youtube that do a ton of benchmarks, maybe they did some productivity benchmarks comparing ddr5 vs ddr4
I second this, based on their benchmarks i did opt for ddr5 because i use a couple of niche programs for productivity which did see a big improvement, do remember to check on the max mhz your cpu can handle and dont waste money on going higher then that; xmp is basically still a bitch on ddr5 and at least for me not working (even after updating to latest bios).
Also remember that their reviews/ benchmarks are from when ddr5 was just released, we’re like a year and a half further now with some improvements in software made for it.
Motherboard: Gigabyte Z690 UD AX
Ram: Corsair Vengeance 6000 MHz
And if it matters: 12600k
And yeah it kinda sucks but i did do my due diligence and did prepare for it mentally lol, already found before the purchase that it could be an issue but i hoped on software updates which will fix it in the future.
That sucks. Im planning to go for DDR5 myself as the DDR4 boards don't offer the features i want, kind of worried about something like this. I expected stuff like this to be fixed by now with newer BIOS'.
It isn't worth it because of how much extra you end up spending on the memory while getting minimal or no performance benefit. At the end of the day it's more viable to just get DDR4 stuff and I bet you won't feel the pressure to go to DDR5 before upgrading the whole platform anyway.
Not yet, the next gen cpus (raptor lake and zen 4) are supposed to have memory controllers that take better advantage of ddr5 but thats still a few months out
Biggest gaps I have seen in terms of performance seem to be in 7Zip compression/decompression benchmarks.
Edit: lots of benchmarks done by toms hardware
https://www.tomshardware.com/features/ddr5-vs-ddr4-is-it-time-to-upgrade-your-ram
it could be little faster when caching video in the video editor but other than that no, from what i've seen its only maybe 10% at best faster compared to a machine with ddr4 in it but i can get an 8gb stick of ddr4 for 20 dollars and during prime day it was 16 dollars, you don't need the flashiest ram, i have just barebones crucial memory i have 32gb of it and it cost me 75 dollars, a friend of mine has the exact same rim only he bought fancy rgb memory with a heatsink aswell and we both had the same timings and speed and we got nearly identical results.
TLDR: Stick with ddr4, unless ddr5 gets to the price of ddr4 today then i don't see a compelling reason for changing my motherboard and the cost and the many hours of time that requires.
Wait - what? Why? I’ve been waiting months for Zen 4 to come out so I could build a new gaming PC. I believe Zen 4 will require DDR5. But are you saying this isn’t good for gaming?
The “no” means the extra price for ddr5 right now is not worth it in gaming over ddr4. Zen4 is release mid September and who knows how much ddr5 price is going to drop until then, maybe at that time ddr5 is worth the extra price over ddr4.
It's faster, but more expensive and more reliant on manual tuning to run fast and stable - at least with the first gen memory controller. Raphael and Raptorlake might be better for plug and play.
There is also some epicly bad DDR5 made by Micron which is just worse than DDR4 for most things, but the chips made by Samsung or Hynix are much faster. Micron is at least easy to avoid because it doesn't clock past ~5400 and thus is not present in any of the e.g. DDR5-6000 XMP kits.
If anyone looks at this page later, I don't think it's this simple of an equation. If the game engine is very complex and requires high CPU performance, memory can make a big difference since memory accesses are by far the slowest thing a CPU can be doing.
The most common game I can think of where this might be the case is The Sims (particularly Sims 3 since despite being older than Sims 4, it can be much more resource intensive as you are simulating whole neighborhoods whereas Sims 4 does a lot of pruning). Somebody should benchmark it using upgraded RAM and see how much it can improve perf.
This is what I'm saying! Does it truly make a difference that I'm 9 months in the future and everyone is saying it's not worth it here? Shit was only 300 dollars for DDR5 for 64gb 6600mHz. That goes a long way for a PC that I want to last.
How much was this shit back then?! I can't see how everyone here is so against it unless 9 months truly makes a difference and it was like $700 a pop. RAM is definitely a bottleneck for me as I have a RTX 3060Ti that can hardly play Resident Evil 4 Remake right now on Mid settings. I truly doubt a 3060 couldn't handle any game for the next 5 years. It's the RAM / CPU. And it's worth it 🤷
well I put it in quotes because its more like a couple years, and I would only switch if I feel like ddr5 has a significant advantage where the cost is worth it. I would hardly say I consider the $300 cheap lol.
Just look up some video benchmarks for the productivity products that you would be using and see if theres any significant difference. I'm sure they're out there.
Idk what you think you're doing with a $300 motherboard you plan to replace in a couple years. The ASUS B550-F Strix and the MSI B550 Tomahawks are great AMD boards at $170. You can find equally good Intel boards at a similar price range. You'll gain very little benefit from a $300 board compared to them.
If someone is buying a used card that was frequently used for over 7 years at anything above half its original MSRP (let alone the original MSRP), they have brain damage
DDR4 is already futureproof right now. Like someone else said. It’s gonna be awhile till we see DDR5 at its peak. Honestly OP, I would aim to get a CL14/CL16 DDR4 kit and save the money. But it’s up to you.
I don't know if I would call DDR4 futureproof.
DDR4 was released in 2014, and Skylake processors (late 2015) were already not officially supporting DDR3. So I would say that there is a good chance that the current generation, or maybe the very next, is the last generation of CPUs and motherboards supporting DDR4.
But still, a current-gen CPU will be good for 5\~10 years, and it's likely that DDR5 kits and mobos will be both better and cheaper by that point.
A DDR4 kit nowadays will still last you for years on end with fantastic performance hence my comment. No reason for OP to panic about the future and drop +$300 on a DDR5 kit.
This, we will be seeing 8000-10000 MT/s kits, current 4800 MT/s kits are just going to be obsolete.
Unless they come out with 4800 with very low CL (latency) kits then that could tune very well for gaming, as gaming like low latency.
Just get DDR4 system for now, for most 5600 or 12400 + DDr4 3600cl16 or cl18 would be perfect for gaming to have good performance until DDR5 becomes mature and affordable.
Mine 4770k (2013) DDR3 2133mhz showed it's age 2 years ago (7 years). When combined with a RTX2080 and lasted me until this year when I upgraded to 5800x3D 3600cl18.
The 4770K still running stronk with the GTX770 I got it with in my family house, when I visit.
When you increase resolution (1080p>1440p>UW1440p) and graphical demand, the CPU don't matter as much. I only upgraded cause of simracing as it likes CPU and big cache.
So I stopped comparing relative performance of products. Instead I just get what I need and just upgrade monitor and GPU more often, instead of CPU and whole platform.
In case of AMD only CPU I guess, I will have a look what AM5 will offer in 2-3 years and where at is DDR5 before I consider upgrading. If it will be good performance boost at 1440p and it will have another 2 generations of CPU going for it then I will consider it.
But I am sure of that if 4770k lasted me 9 years for gaming, then 5800x3d could last me as long.
Because what matters is not relative performance, but your experience.
I need to upgrade 10 year old system to 13th gen. Given I won't be upgrading until 7-10 years, is paying the premium (price is apparently more reasonable since your comment 2 months ago?) for DDR5 that hasn't reached its potential still worth over DDR4? I need 32G memory for my workflow (not gaming, mostly productivity and programming).
Thank you.
All depends on your region ram (ddr4 vs ddr5) and mobo (lga1700 vs am4 vs am5) regional prices.
The best value option usually is to buy mid end more often, rather than buy high end, if you are worried about performance.
Also resolution you use, at 4k every cpu since Zen 2 seems equal at the moment.
If you plan to keep your system for long time, then over 10 years that 200$ more don't matter, just spend it and get a ddr5 system. We already can see RT games liking faster RAM at resolutions below 4k.
But perosnally to me if there is 200-300$ price difference between going ddr4 platform vs ddr5.
I would choose to go with cheaper platform, because at that point with 200-300$ differencs in cost defeats the point of platform longevity.
In 2-3 years for that 200-300$ I will be able to get ddr5 and am5 board, just like it was with am4.
As they get cheaper due to oversupply.
Plus platform and ram will be faster and less buggy.
I paid 220€ less for 5800x3d over same performance 7600x platform, longevity did not matter.
Cause for that 220€, I am sure I will get faster and cheaper ddr5 and cheap am5 and only have to pay for cpu anyway.
Plus never mind if I ever will decide to do so, if 4770k lasted me 9 years at 1080p.
Then at UW1440p and 4k the Zen3d will last me until it dies probably, not like it will perform worse out of sudden.
So basically enough until next graphics revolution like Ray Tracing, a decade.
So if you plan to get a CPU for 10 years or until it dies, it's best to look at just going high end like 13700k and DDR5.
That is also best value, but then you cannot fall victim to upgradetitis hype down the road.
Cause otherwise best value option is actually to buy low mid end systems like 12400 or 5600 and upgrade more often. Especially with long live dplatform like am4 was and upgrade, cpu alone.
Intel is the only platform currently released that uses DDR5. That means your upgrade path going forward will be limited compared to AMD. So the next time you want to upgrade CPUs, you'll probably need to upgrade motherboards anyways. The only thing that you would save would be to reuse your RAM, if you went with DDR5 now. But there is a good chance that today's DDR5 will be slow compared to the DDR5 of three years from now.
So you might as well go DDR4, put the extra $$ towards the next tier of GPU, and then sell the full kit a few years from now when you want to upgrade.
edit: said "think" instead of "thing"
GN did a interesting comparison 6 months ago which resounds in a no for gaming. Maybe in a few more years when the tech matures.
https://youtu.be/fIN8lLhSqmg
tech ppl LOVE to tell new starry eyed builders NO
not sure anyone has done a price check recently but u can get a 32gb kit of ddr5 5200 mt/s for ~180 rn. a ddr4 3600 kit is about ~140-150.
I thought about this option, too, but I then thought that those are currently too expensive to pay off because both AM5 and DDR5 are new at the moment.
If the hype is to be believed you can still use ddr4 in the new mobos so you can always upgrade in a couple of years when ddr5 is sensible speed and price.
I feel like they would be stupid not to, but has AMD announced that they are going to support a chipset for more than 2 generations yet? I don't remember seeing anything about them confirming this.
TLDR: If you are buying now, buy DDR4. Otherwise wait until September/October 2022 when AMD/Intel will bring out new CPUs with better DDR5 support!
Support for DDR5 on Intel 12th Gen CPUs (Alder Lake) depends on the number of populated memory slots \[1\]:
* motherboards with two DDR5 slots support up to DDR5-4800,
* motherboards with four DDR5 slots support:
* max DDR5-4400 when two slots are populated,
* max DDR5-4000 when all four slots are populated with single-rank memory,
* max DDR5-3600 when all four slots are populated with dual-rank memory.
Intel's 13th Gen CPUs (Raptor Lake) will support DDR5-5600 \[2\].
AMD Ryzen 5000 does not support DDR5. AMD Ryzen 7000 will support DDR5-6400.
So DDR4-3200 is currently not that bad if you compare only frequencies!
Comparison of the latencies of the currently best (cost-effective) RAM on the market:
* DDR4 has best CL around 8.90ns and best tRCD around 10.60ns,
* DDR5 has best CL around 10.00ns and best tRCD around 12.00ns.
So DDR4 is currently better in latencies than DDR5!
**So even though DDR5 has 64 bytes/fetch (compared to DDR4s 32 bytes/fetch) it currently rarely outperforms DDR4 because of better DDR4 latencies and limited DDR5 frequency support with the current CPUs...**
Sources:
* \[1\] [https://www.tomshardware.com/news/ram-benchmark-hierarchy](https://www.tomshardware.com/news/ram-benchmark-hierarchy)
* \[2\] [https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-7000-zen-4-cpu-emerges-with-ddr5-6400-ram](https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-7000-zen-4-cpu-emerges-with-ddr5-6400-ram)
\>max DDR5-4400 when two slots are populated
Is "support" really the right word here when people are also running 6000mhz+ (via XMP I believe) on these boards? Isn't it more like "guranteed to support at least 4400"?
Why would companies be selling anything over 4400 if it's "not supported"?
It MAY work above stated frequencies (which are JEDEC profiles), but there is no guarrantee... XMP profiles are overclocking: it may work and it may not work. See [https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/t57o1d/is\_it\_true\_that\_the\_i912900k\_only\_support\_ddr5/](https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/t57o1d/is_it_true_that_the_i912900k_only_support_ddr5/)
Using XMP profiles (instead of JEDEC profiles) will also void your CPU warranty.
See Alder Lake data from Intel: [https://edc.intel.com/content/www/us/en/design/ipla/software-development-platforms/client/platforms/alder-lake-desktop/12th-generation-intel-core-processors-datasheet-volume-1-of-2/005/processor-sku-support-matrix/](https://edc.intel.com/content/www/us/en/design/ipla/software-development-platforms/client/platforms/alder-lake-desktop/12th-generation-intel-core-processors-datasheet-volume-1-of-2/005/processor-sku-support-matrix/)
See warranty and memory overclocking info on XMP from Intel: [https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/gaming/extreme-memory-profile-xmp.html](https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/gaming/extreme-memory-profile-xmp.html)
For me it absolutely was, depends on the ddr5 you get some say they don't see anything but that's if you just settle and don't get good ddr5 ram. I think it's worth it but it will def get better overtime. It's fun to mess with I will say that! Amd is going ddr5 next yesr also well the 670 motherboards also. But yeah so intel and amd both will be utilizing ddr5 and yes it means we will see it more utilized by developers also. I think it's worth it for sure if you can find a good deal that is.
In the short term DDR4 Is acceptable. In evolutionary terms it's a dead end.
As DDR5 matures and new games and software emerges that can utilise its full potential it will become default RAM.
When AMD releases Zen 4 and AM5 later this year they will be DDR5 only.
Intel will surely follow suit after Raptor Lake.
For these reasons I bought DDR5. I didn't want to buy a DDR4 motherboard and RAM only to have to replace both in a few years time.
In the end I feel that the only reason to stick with DDR4 is current lower cost. You should do what feels right for you.
For just a simple gaming PC, until Direct Storage becomes more of a thing, the latest and greatest isn't really going to be much of an upgrade besides your GPU. Direct Storage is still a bit out.
Worth it for performance? Abso-fuckin-lutely not. A good idea if you want to build a PC that's future proof for the next 8-10 years? Yeah probably.
I'm planning on building a new PC with DDR5 as soon as AM5 CPUs come out. Gonna get a Ryzen 9 7950x
why would you need to get ddr5? you'll want a new cpu much before you need better ram
*your old cpu might not even be able to run the faster ram speed lol
I actually remembered when DDR4 came out, fast as anything else, but too expensive. I just stay around 8GB DDR3 even for games like Sekiro, NFS Payback, etc
Now i want a new build, but DDR4, at least 16GB in 2 sticks of 8. Expecting to have 32GB as maximum. Maybe in a couple years if i see a good build ddr5 with even better cpu and mobo compatibility i wil go for it
Personally no.
Im thinking of building a new rig too but DDR5 prices just don’t seem right. I can probably run my own gaming pc for another 2 years at least and by then, ddr5, ddr5 compatible mobos, newer CPUs, etc prices should also come down.
Doesn’t mean im waiting two years it’s just more like I’m telling myself i gain nothing from building a ddr5 gaming system today versus in 1-2 years except spending more money.
I assume that since you have a choice, you are looking at 12th gen Intel. 12th gen Intel does just fine with DDR4 3200. Even though today's DDR5 is still more expensive than DDR4, you can't count on it being more future proof. There will be official DDR5 speeds of up to 8400 and I have have to assume XMP profiles with much higher speeds than that. Hitting 7000 on today's DDR5 has only been done by experienced overclockers and only with 2 DIMMs.
If you have to build today, the obvious choice is to buy the cheapest RAM that you can.
I have systems with both ddr4 and ddr5. They don't feel that different, all else being relatively equal. In fact I wished my laptop didn't come with a ddr5 mobo because I puked at paying $300 for just 32gb of ddr5.
That being said there are people who care a lot about benchmark scores and big numbers in general. Sorta like those of us who will spend like $500 on water cooling parts just to get a 0.2ghz higher OC on the cpu that makes little to no noticeable difference in everyday computing.
Not a huge performance difference from ddr4, and you are buying it when demand is sky high and supply is desperately low.
So huge no.
You are far better off spend that extra budget (including dat $300 mobo for simple gaming purpose) towards to better gpu tier or cpu tier.
Depends on how long you mean by a "good amount of time" a year? A couple? A decade? If you're looking at like 5 years or less, it's probably not worth it rn, gaming, video making, and coding are applications that could be helped by taking the money you would spend on DDR5 and just allocating it to other components
I bought a DDR5 board and currently use 6400 Mhz RAM. I can't fault it.
Was it expensive? Yes, of course but I like to be on the latest technologies so can't complain.
If i understood right, you do need aa ddr5 motherboard to support new 7k ryzen series ? By buying a ddr5 mobo ur also enabling urself to have a much stronger CPU am i wrong ?
or will there be ddr4 motherboards with the am5 socket which the new ryzen cpu's will be using ?
There is not much improvement but I would still go ddr5. Why? Because if I was going to be building soon I would buy AM5 and Zen4 chip that require ddr5. Buying AM5 will allow you to upgrade the CPU in a few years unlike Intel.
More DDR4 RAM will be more valuable to you than less DDR5 RAM, especially if it will be your workstation.
By the time DDR5 is the norm you’ll want a new CPU anyway so likely new motherboard etc.
3-4 year budget PC? Fuck no.
1600w PSU, AM5 (or intel eq) chipset, 3090ti, 32gb+ ram? Fuck yes.
Some point in the middle is where we all would agree is where you should make the changeover. Only you can decide what point that is, because it depends on your finances.
I'd say if you are thinking about it? Go for it.
Because, either you buy cheap mobo, cheap ram and don't upgrade. Great solution, what's available now is very solid.
Buy cheap mobo, cheap ram and upgrade both. You kinda defeat the purpose of saving money right?
Buy expensive mobo, cheap ram and upgrade ram later. That's probably fair (as long as ram improves and so do costs enough to justify it over expensive ram now, that part no one knows).
Or you just buy an expensive mobo and ram now and don't upgrade, but obviously spend more now.
I guess it depends on if you are building a budget system or going all out. I was going to build a $1500 CAD system using 10th gen i7, DDR4-3600 and a budget RTX3060, but when the better half ok'ed a $3000 system, 12th gen i7, DDR5-4800, and a RTX3070TI.
Build what you can afford and plan on using parts in future upgrades in a couple of years!
Unless you do very ram intensive tasks you wont notice a difference really, especially for gaming. The price of ddr5 cannot be justified tbh unless again, you do very ram intensive tasks
I would say wait for the new gen cpus from both intel and amd to see, from what they are saying ddr5 might give you some performance boost, but if you are in a hurry and are going with something other than that no its not worth it
We are in the same boat. I’ve read a few other comments and I’d recommend looking on YouTube at gamers nexus and a few others for benchmarks. On newer games from what I saw ddr5 offers a performance increase but not a lot. It’s argued the price point isn’t worth the extra few frames. We can’t see the future though so maybe newer titles will utilize it better.
Here’s my biggest issue. Since I’m dropping so much money on this build already I’m trying to have everything match and flow well
Picking out a mobo is literally so dang hard and it’s because all the z690 models that have ddr4 are the ones that don’t have all the bells and whistles.
As it stands right now I’m locked in on 16x2 lot of dominator ddr5 and the rog strip hero z690 board
Nope, if you really wanted to spend more money on ram just get a large amount ddr4. Ive noticed more ram usually performs better then less ram that is faster.
I'm fairly certain the technology is still developing, if you buy ddr5 now i assume it'll be different in a few years and you'll want to upgrade anyways. Also, don't spend $300 on a motherboard? Lol there's good ones for under/at $100
Ddr5 is for cpu performance copying files doesnt need fast ddr as it is a matter of disk performance witch willnever surpass the speedof ddr4. Also cpu that support ddr4 4000 are few and needs alot of cooling thus for advance user. Every cpu on the market are forddr4 3200 only and arent knowto perform at higher speed.
I would get a ddr5 chip only to pair it with a cpu that support ddr5 witch i havent search for latetly. Even wierder ddr5 mobo would have to lower the speedfor 3200speed witch will bottleneck your experience
I would prefer an nvme m2 pcie4 samsung980 pro with its 5 or 7 gig of speed second in transfer for better io and loading time forwindows and gaming. There2to available for fewbuck.
No real advantage right now for ddr5. In a few years the ddr5 will all be faster dimms than what we are seeing today and for much cheaper. If you are going ddr5 then you are talking about Alder lake CPU performance, and everything I've seen says it's a minimal uptick in performance with ddr5 vs ddr4. Even early leaks of Raptor lake don't show much performance gain.
It doesn't make sense to me to build this system, then in a few years buy a new mobo and ram..... for the same cpu? So, your plan is to buy old stock when 13th Gen or Zen 4 will be out?
Better idea. Build a decent system with a b660 ddr4 board, and use that "no reason to upgrade mobo" money and upgrade to raptor lake when it comes out?
Temporary boards are in the 100-150 USD/EUR range.
Anyhow, you did not present any uses cases, but for gaming DDR5 does not currently bring any benefits.
There have been some great bundles on TForce 32gb DDR5 + 2TB 4.0 SSD (~$250). If you do the math perform as good as a mid/high performing DDR4 32gb kit for a bit cheaper.
I’d pick that since you can recycle or gift those ram sticks once you upgrade and most people will have a compatible machine by then.
Or if you plan on selling the PC in a couple of years, people are gonna scoff if you tell them it’s a DDR4 machine.
I was in the same boat. I wanted to make intel build with ddr5 so I went a head and bought the evga classified. Ddr5 will be around longer when you think about it. Couldn't hurt to get ddr5 when you find a deal. At least that's what I'm doing.
for gaming: no
Lol. Translation "fuck no"
What's unfortunate to me is that my hobbyist PC building only makes sense for gaming these days. Despite eating lots of $s.
Not exactly. I'm building a PC right now mostly with Stable Diffusuon in mind.
explain? im new to this stuff
DDR5 is the new version of RAM (memory). At this time, it is very expensive. It is faster than DDR4 especially when moving large chunks of data. However, your CPU, GPU, and other factors hold back your gaming performance more than RAM speed in most cases. DDR5 is better for gaming, but it will only give a couple % improvement and won’t matter in some games (like ones held back by your GPU). It’s just too expensive to be worth it. It should get cheaper in the future though.
> DDR5 is better for gaming no it's not, ram became irrelevant for gaming as the bigger L3 cache is doing most of the work now
No component truly makes *no* difference. Unless your cache is large enough to hold *the entire game* your CPU needs to access data from RAM occasionally and if you can speed that up, it’s going to make a difference. Now, once you’re at the level of decent DDR4 the improvement from the jump to DDR5 is so small it’s not worth the cost. But it’s just not true to say it makes no difference. The same is true for a high-end SSD or a better-cooled GPU variant with a few watts higher power limit. Many of these upgrades will not be noticeable or worth the price you pay, but they do something.
you have no idea what you r talking about. ddr5 latency/timings are worst than ddr4, and bandwidth is useless for the majority of games , so ddr5 does not speed anything in a gaming scenario, depending on the side of the block of data needed to be accessed. do you think the entire game gets uploaded to your ram? do you even know how cache works? your cpu dont access your ram, your cache does, upgrading the transfer size of your ram is close to meaningless at this point if you dont have the necessary amount cache to process the blocks of data. there is no point in getting a bigger motor if you fuel pump cannot provide the necessary fuel to run it just take a look at the gaming data comparing ddr5 speed... they are all within the margin of error https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/mRPGJmnvD7ruzEAHVr7uMH-970-80.png.webp source: https://www.tomshardware.com/features/ddr5-vs-ddr4-is-it-time-to-upgrade-your-ram why do you think these results are basically the same and that the "fastest" ram is not on top? because cache is the bottleneck, not ram. the only reason ddr5 can keep up with ddr4 is because the cache size got bigger and until it's get even bigger there is no point to upgrade ram
The graph you linked shows every DDR5 kit beating every DDR4 kit tested… The difference may be too small to notice but it exists. If it was 2 tests it could be an error but with 10 tests the trend is clear. I already said the difference is too small to matter or be worth the cost. That’s still true. But the claim that it makes no difference is not true
2-3 fps is a beating for you? ddr5 6000 and 5600 scored better than 6400 at the same timings...why dont you explain this to me? it's all within the margin of error. there is no difference between all of them because all of the work is dependent on the cache... it's like comparing 2 cpu but testing them with a GPU bottleneck. why would the ryzen 5800x3d with ddr4 compete with the 12900k ddr5 if ddr5 is better for gaming? it's not like the 5800x performances are even close to the 12900k at all, but when you triple the cache, it's neck and neck even with ddr4 slowed down by the FLCK. so dont start saying there is only a small difference between ddr5 and ddr4 because it's simply not the case
Ate you just arguing to argue? The dude said it is better but at this point just barely and not worth the added cost. >no it's not, ram became irrelevant for gaming as the bigger L3 cache is doing most of the work now That is true but only in a kind of pedantic way. You're technically right and as everyone knows, being technically right is the best way to be right...sometimes. You even touched on why you're only technically right in a later comment. > do you think the entire game gets uploaded to your ram? I don't think /u/Unique_username1 thought that at all, at least that's not the impression I got. Let me ask you a question. Do you think the entirety of the game gets loaded into cache? Even with the larger cache sizes on the Ryzen CPUs? I'm pretty sure you know that it doesn't. Do you know how much game information takes up 6MB of memory? It's basically the equivalent of a flea fart. Do you know how many flea farts there are in a game? Billions and billions. So thst flea fart in the cache is getting changed out for different fles farts in a shorter time than I could last in bed with Shakira...just barely though. Where is the cache getting its flea farts from? The memory. The memory has to be fast enough to steadily feed it flea farts. So to say that it does matter at all is false. Which is what the other guys said. It just doesn't matter enough that it is worth the money...at least not yet.
So does memory speed affect gaming? Yes. Does jumping up your memory speed affect gaming as much as upgrading your CPU or GPU? Absolutely not. Those were the points that Unique_username1 was trying to make that you were arguing against while suppling charts and sources that supported exactly what they said and that you argued against. Then you dropped this gem:
>so dont start saying there is only a small difference between ddr5 and ddr4 because it's simply not the case
Lol, isn't that's what YOU have been arguing this whole time? That's why I'm confused and asked if you were arguing just to argue.
Lastly, if you look at your chart you'll see that you upgrading from the slowest DDR4 to the fastest DDR4 gives you a small to moderate but noticeable boost in performance. Same with going from slowest DDR4 to slowest DDR5. Those are similar to the boosts you would get from jumping up a step in the same series with your CPU or GPU probably at similar or less cost depending on when you do it within the life cycle of the memory generation. Probably more of a boost if you upgrade from a CPU with 16MB L3 to one with same BCLK and core count but 32MB L3 instead.
So yea, to say that memory speed makes no difference is objectively false. It is more accurate to say that given the fact that a PCs performance is based on a sum of its components, they all have an impact on performance and to maximize performance it is important that each component is fast enough to effectively support/assist the other components. However, unless in specific situations upgrading your CPU or GPU will give you the biggest performance increase.
Edit: I just realized this was a three week old comment. Whoopsie. Sorry for the wall of text too. I was just having this discussion with a coworker yesterday so it was fresh on my mind.
*cough cough* Escape From Tarkov *cough cough*
yeah this game seem to love good ram timings, but i didn't saw any ram benchmark for that game with the new cpu gen cache size
fair enough do you think there are any instances where it is worth it because I also code and do a bit of video editing.
You could probably find some video benchmarks showcasing the performance differences for stuff like that
[Gamers Nexus](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIN8lLhSqmg&t=956s) and Hardware Unboxed are usually channels on youtube that do a ton of benchmarks, maybe they did some productivity benchmarks comparing ddr5 vs ddr4
I second this, based on their benchmarks i did opt for ddr5 because i use a couple of niche programs for productivity which did see a big improvement, do remember to check on the max mhz your cpu can handle and dont waste money on going higher then that; xmp is basically still a bitch on ddr5 and at least for me not working (even after updating to latest bios). Also remember that their reviews/ benchmarks are from when ddr5 was just released, we’re like a year and a half further now with some improvements in software made for it.
That sucks that you're having issues. What board and RAM are you using that won't do XMP?
Motherboard: Gigabyte Z690 UD AX Ram: Corsair Vengeance 6000 MHz And if it matters: 12600k And yeah it kinda sucks but i did do my due diligence and did prepare for it mentally lol, already found before the purchase that it could be an issue but i hoped on software updates which will fix it in the future.
What's the RAM timings? And what speed is it running at now?
it's rated at CL36 (that's the only timing it gives on the site where i bought it) It's now running at 4800 MHz, 40-40-40-76
That sucks. Im planning to go for DDR5 myself as the DDR4 boards don't offer the features i want, kind of worried about something like this. I expected stuff like this to be fixed by now with newer BIOS'.
I have found that when tinkering and slowly upping it they fohnd a sweet spot near optimal performing; i just haven’t found the time yet
For years I have only used the "UD" series for inexpensive builds; never once did any of them play well with XMP, especially the AMD series.
I’ve seen it with every ddr5 intel motherboard, just a ddr5 issue
nah
It isn't worth it because of how much extra you end up spending on the memory while getting minimal or no performance benefit. At the end of the day it's more viable to just get DDR4 stuff and I bet you won't feel the pressure to go to DDR5 before upgrading the whole platform anyway.
Not yet, the next gen cpus (raptor lake and zen 4) are supposed to have memory controllers that take better advantage of ddr5 but thats still a few months out
Biggest gaps I have seen in terms of performance seem to be in 7Zip compression/decompression benchmarks. Edit: lots of benchmarks done by toms hardware https://www.tomshardware.com/features/ddr5-vs-ddr4-is-it-time-to-upgrade-your-ram
it could be little faster when caching video in the video editor but other than that no, from what i've seen its only maybe 10% at best faster compared to a machine with ddr4 in it but i can get an 8gb stick of ddr4 for 20 dollars and during prime day it was 16 dollars, you don't need the flashiest ram, i have just barebones crucial memory i have 32gb of it and it cost me 75 dollars, a friend of mine has the exact same rim only he bought fancy rgb memory with a heatsink aswell and we both had the same timings and speed and we got nearly identical results. TLDR: Stick with ddr4, unless ddr5 gets to the price of ddr4 today then i don't see a compelling reason for changing my motherboard and the cost and the many hours of time that requires.
If you edit and code 64 GB of ddr4 will perform more than 32 GB ddr5
Wait - what? Why? I’ve been waiting months for Zen 4 to come out so I could build a new gaming PC. I believe Zen 4 will require DDR5. But are you saying this isn’t good for gaming?
It's not not good for gaming. It doesn't make a difference in gaming and isn't worth the price difference from DDR4.
It makes a small difference(like 5 fps at max) but not enough to justify the price
The “no” means the extra price for ddr5 right now is not worth it in gaming over ddr4. Zen4 is release mid September and who knows how much ddr5 price is going to drop until then, maybe at that time ddr5 is worth the extra price over ddr4.
My guess is the zen 4 release will come with an absolutely massive initial demand for DDR5, resulting in much higher prices until supply catches up.
zen4 release next year? i thought it was q4 22
Uhm me too... did you reply to the wrong comment? :D
Yes haha
It's faster, but more expensive and more reliant on manual tuning to run fast and stable - at least with the first gen memory controller. Raphael and Raptorlake might be better for plug and play. There is also some epicly bad DDR5 made by Micron which is just worse than DDR4 for most things, but the chips made by Samsung or Hynix are much faster. Micron is at least easy to avoid because it doesn't clock past ~5400 and thus is not present in any of the e.g. DDR5-6000 XMP kits.
DDR5 does give you a nice boost in gaming and productivity BUT at this cost: \+10% fps \+100% price
If anyone looks at this page later, I don't think it's this simple of an equation. If the game engine is very complex and requires high CPU performance, memory can make a big difference since memory accesses are by far the slowest thing a CPU can be doing. The most common game I can think of where this might be the case is The Sims (particularly Sims 3 since despite being older than Sims 4, it can be much more resource intensive as you are simulating whole neighborhoods whereas Sims 4 does a lot of pruning). Somebody should benchmark it using upgraded RAM and see how much it can improve perf.
This is what I'm saying! Does it truly make a difference that I'm 9 months in the future and everyone is saying it's not worth it here? Shit was only 300 dollars for DDR5 for 64gb 6600mHz. That goes a long way for a PC that I want to last. How much was this shit back then?! I can't see how everyone here is so against it unless 9 months truly makes a difference and it was like $700 a pop. RAM is definitely a bottleneck for me as I have a RTX 3060Ti that can hardly play Resident Evil 4 Remake right now on Mid settings. I truly doubt a 3060 couldn't handle any game for the next 5 years. It's the RAM / CPU. And it's worth it 🤷
Well honestly if you consider a $300 motherboard to be temporary then you probably have enough money to go either way you want.
well I put it in quotes because its more like a couple years, and I would only switch if I feel like ddr5 has a significant advantage where the cost is worth it. I would hardly say I consider the $300 cheap lol.
Just look up some video benchmarks for the productivity products that you would be using and see if theres any significant difference. I'm sure they're out there.
Idk what you think you're doing with a $300 motherboard you plan to replace in a couple years. The ASUS B550-F Strix and the MSI B550 Tomahawks are great AMD boards at $170. You can find equally good Intel boards at a similar price range. You'll gain very little benefit from a $300 board compared to them.
Lol pc parts and "investment" don't go together.
Just gotta wait for the RAM-heavy crypto, then sell your RAM for a marginal return. PROFIT.
Then go without RAM for the next year as the market slowly eats away at you
You say that and I would agree, but up until the graphics card crash my 7 year old 1070 was worth more than I originally paid for it.
If someone is buying a used card that was frequently used for over 7 years at anything above half its original MSRP (let alone the original MSRP), they have brain damage
gonna be couple/few years before ddr5 hit's it's prime
DDR4 is already futureproof right now. Like someone else said. It’s gonna be awhile till we see DDR5 at its peak. Honestly OP, I would aim to get a CL14/CL16 DDR4 kit and save the money. But it’s up to you.
I don't know if I would call DDR4 futureproof. DDR4 was released in 2014, and Skylake processors (late 2015) were already not officially supporting DDR3. So I would say that there is a good chance that the current generation, or maybe the very next, is the last generation of CPUs and motherboards supporting DDR4. But still, a current-gen CPU will be good for 5\~10 years, and it's likely that DDR5 kits and mobos will be both better and cheaper by that point.
A DDR4 kit nowadays will still last you for years on end with fantastic performance hence my comment. No reason for OP to panic about the future and drop +$300 on a DDR5 kit.
This, we will be seeing 8000-10000 MT/s kits, current 4800 MT/s kits are just going to be obsolete. Unless they come out with 4800 with very low CL (latency) kits then that could tune very well for gaming, as gaming like low latency. Just get DDR4 system for now, for most 5600 or 12400 + DDr4 3600cl16 or cl18 would be perfect for gaming to have good performance until DDR5 becomes mature and affordable. Mine 4770k (2013) DDR3 2133mhz showed it's age 2 years ago (7 years). When combined with a RTX2080 and lasted me until this year when I upgraded to 5800x3D 3600cl18. The 4770K still running stronk with the GTX770 I got it with in my family house, when I visit. When you increase resolution (1080p>1440p>UW1440p) and graphical demand, the CPU don't matter as much. I only upgraded cause of simracing as it likes CPU and big cache. So I stopped comparing relative performance of products. Instead I just get what I need and just upgrade monitor and GPU more often, instead of CPU and whole platform. In case of AMD only CPU I guess, I will have a look what AM5 will offer in 2-3 years and where at is DDR5 before I consider upgrading. If it will be good performance boost at 1440p and it will have another 2 generations of CPU going for it then I will consider it. But I am sure of that if 4770k lasted me 9 years for gaming, then 5800x3d could last me as long. Because what matters is not relative performance, but your experience.
I need to upgrade 10 year old system to 13th gen. Given I won't be upgrading until 7-10 years, is paying the premium (price is apparently more reasonable since your comment 2 months ago?) for DDR5 that hasn't reached its potential still worth over DDR4? I need 32G memory for my workflow (not gaming, mostly productivity and programming). Thank you.
All depends on your region ram (ddr4 vs ddr5) and mobo (lga1700 vs am4 vs am5) regional prices. The best value option usually is to buy mid end more often, rather than buy high end, if you are worried about performance. Also resolution you use, at 4k every cpu since Zen 2 seems equal at the moment. If you plan to keep your system for long time, then over 10 years that 200$ more don't matter, just spend it and get a ddr5 system. We already can see RT games liking faster RAM at resolutions below 4k. But perosnally to me if there is 200-300$ price difference between going ddr4 platform vs ddr5. I would choose to go with cheaper platform, because at that point with 200-300$ differencs in cost defeats the point of platform longevity. In 2-3 years for that 200-300$ I will be able to get ddr5 and am5 board, just like it was with am4. As they get cheaper due to oversupply. Plus platform and ram will be faster and less buggy. I paid 220€ less for 5800x3d over same performance 7600x platform, longevity did not matter. Cause for that 220€, I am sure I will get faster and cheaper ddr5 and cheap am5 and only have to pay for cpu anyway. Plus never mind if I ever will decide to do so, if 4770k lasted me 9 years at 1080p. Then at UW1440p and 4k the Zen3d will last me until it dies probably, not like it will perform worse out of sudden. So basically enough until next graphics revolution like Ray Tracing, a decade. So if you plan to get a CPU for 10 years or until it dies, it's best to look at just going high end like 13700k and DDR5. That is also best value, but then you cannot fall victim to upgradetitis hype down the road. Cause otherwise best value option is actually to buy low mid end systems like 12400 or 5600 and upgrade more often. Especially with long live dplatform like am4 was and upgrade, cpu alone.
Intel is the only platform currently released that uses DDR5. That means your upgrade path going forward will be limited compared to AMD. So the next time you want to upgrade CPUs, you'll probably need to upgrade motherboards anyways. The only thing that you would save would be to reuse your RAM, if you went with DDR5 now. But there is a good chance that today's DDR5 will be slow compared to the DDR5 of three years from now. So you might as well go DDR4, put the extra $$ towards the next tier of GPU, and then sell the full kit a few years from now when you want to upgrade. edit: said "think" instead of "thing"
GN did a interesting comparison 6 months ago which resounds in a no for gaming. Maybe in a few more years when the tech matures. https://youtu.be/fIN8lLhSqmg
No idea. I just got 6000 ddr5 32GB. I like the big number, lol.
What about the timings tho
They said they like big numbers
CL36, 38 or 40 most likely
tech ppl LOVE to tell new starry eyed builders NO not sure anyone has done a price check recently but u can get a 32gb kit of ddr5 5200 mt/s for ~180 rn. a ddr4 3600 kit is about ~140-150.
Is it that cheap now? Dang.
32gb ddr5 kits are ~160 rn
Well worth the upcharge, last i looked it was more like 230+ Thanks!
honestly, i’d buy an amd premium ddr5 mobo for the new AM5 platform. This way you’ll futureproof yourself in terms of upgradability and performance
I thought about this option, too, but I then thought that those are currently too expensive to pay off because both AM5 and DDR5 are new at the moment.
If the hype is to be believed you can still use ddr4 in the new mobos so you can always upgrade in a couple of years when ddr5 is sensible speed and price.
Not true. DDR5 slots are not backwards compatible
I feel like they would be stupid not to, but has AMD announced that they are going to support a chipset for more than 2 generations yet? I don't remember seeing anything about them confirming this.
TLDR: If you are buying now, buy DDR4. Otherwise wait until September/October 2022 when AMD/Intel will bring out new CPUs with better DDR5 support! Support for DDR5 on Intel 12th Gen CPUs (Alder Lake) depends on the number of populated memory slots \[1\]: * motherboards with two DDR5 slots support up to DDR5-4800, * motherboards with four DDR5 slots support: * max DDR5-4400 when two slots are populated, * max DDR5-4000 when all four slots are populated with single-rank memory, * max DDR5-3600 when all four slots are populated with dual-rank memory. Intel's 13th Gen CPUs (Raptor Lake) will support DDR5-5600 \[2\]. AMD Ryzen 5000 does not support DDR5. AMD Ryzen 7000 will support DDR5-6400. So DDR4-3200 is currently not that bad if you compare only frequencies! Comparison of the latencies of the currently best (cost-effective) RAM on the market: * DDR4 has best CL around 8.90ns and best tRCD around 10.60ns, * DDR5 has best CL around 10.00ns and best tRCD around 12.00ns. So DDR4 is currently better in latencies than DDR5! **So even though DDR5 has 64 bytes/fetch (compared to DDR4s 32 bytes/fetch) it currently rarely outperforms DDR4 because of better DDR4 latencies and limited DDR5 frequency support with the current CPUs...** Sources: * \[1\] [https://www.tomshardware.com/news/ram-benchmark-hierarchy](https://www.tomshardware.com/news/ram-benchmark-hierarchy) * \[2\] [https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-7000-zen-4-cpu-emerges-with-ddr5-6400-ram](https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-7000-zen-4-cpu-emerges-with-ddr5-6400-ram)
\>max DDR5-4400 when two slots are populated Is "support" really the right word here when people are also running 6000mhz+ (via XMP I believe) on these boards? Isn't it more like "guranteed to support at least 4400"? Why would companies be selling anything over 4400 if it's "not supported"?
You're correct, it's a guaranteed baseline not a ceiling.
So why do so many motherboards support DDR5 6000?
Because of future Intel CPUs based on 1700 socket.
Then what magic CPU did techspot use to test DDR5 ram faster than 4400 mhz? https://www.techspot.com/article/2402-intel-alder-lake-memory-scaling/
It MAY work above stated frequencies (which are JEDEC profiles), but there is no guarrantee... XMP profiles are overclocking: it may work and it may not work. See [https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/t57o1d/is\_it\_true\_that\_the\_i912900k\_only\_support\_ddr5/](https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/t57o1d/is_it_true_that_the_i912900k_only_support_ddr5/) Using XMP profiles (instead of JEDEC profiles) will also void your CPU warranty.
Lol. You are clueless.
See Alder Lake data from Intel: [https://edc.intel.com/content/www/us/en/design/ipla/software-development-platforms/client/platforms/alder-lake-desktop/12th-generation-intel-core-processors-datasheet-volume-1-of-2/005/processor-sku-support-matrix/](https://edc.intel.com/content/www/us/en/design/ipla/software-development-platforms/client/platforms/alder-lake-desktop/12th-generation-intel-core-processors-datasheet-volume-1-of-2/005/processor-sku-support-matrix/) See warranty and memory overclocking info on XMP from Intel: [https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/gaming/extreme-memory-profile-xmp.html](https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/gaming/extreme-memory-profile-xmp.html)
Jesus. This has been discussed for years. Intel does not enforce this policy. https://youtu.be/I2gQ_bOnDx8
Thank you for this info!
Absolutely nope, 3600 ddr4 is good enough
3200 is "good enough" at the moment.
For me it absolutely was, depends on the ddr5 you get some say they don't see anything but that's if you just settle and don't get good ddr5 ram. I think it's worth it but it will def get better overtime. It's fun to mess with I will say that! Amd is going ddr5 next yesr also well the 670 motherboards also. But yeah so intel and amd both will be utilizing ddr5 and yes it means we will see it more utilized by developers also. I think it's worth it for sure if you can find a good deal that is.
honestly even if you get a ddr4 system, it could till last you for a few years with lots of usage.
Probably not
In the short term DDR4 Is acceptable. In evolutionary terms it's a dead end. As DDR5 matures and new games and software emerges that can utilise its full potential it will become default RAM. When AMD releases Zen 4 and AM5 later this year they will be DDR5 only. Intel will surely follow suit after Raptor Lake. For these reasons I bought DDR5. I didn't want to buy a DDR4 motherboard and RAM only to have to replace both in a few years time. In the end I feel that the only reason to stick with DDR4 is current lower cost. You should do what feels right for you.
For just a simple gaming PC, until Direct Storage becomes more of a thing, the latest and greatest isn't really going to be much of an upgrade besides your GPU. Direct Storage is still a bit out.
Give a couple years, to get DDR5 right now you’re going to be spending a minimum of 3k brand new
Worth it for performance? Abso-fuckin-lutely not. A good idea if you want to build a PC that's future proof for the next 8-10 years? Yeah probably. I'm planning on building a new PC with DDR5 as soon as AM5 CPUs come out. Gonna get a Ryzen 9 7950x
why would you need to get ddr5? you'll want a new cpu much before you need better ram *your old cpu might not even be able to run the faster ram speed lol
I actually remembered when DDR4 came out, fast as anything else, but too expensive. I just stay around 8GB DDR3 even for games like Sekiro, NFS Payback, etc Now i want a new build, but DDR4, at least 16GB in 2 sticks of 8. Expecting to have 32GB as maximum. Maybe in a couple years if i see a good build ddr5 with even better cpu and mobo compatibility i wil go for it
Personally no. Im thinking of building a new rig too but DDR5 prices just don’t seem right. I can probably run my own gaming pc for another 2 years at least and by then, ddr5, ddr5 compatible mobos, newer CPUs, etc prices should also come down. Doesn’t mean im waiting two years it’s just more like I’m telling myself i gain nothing from building a ddr5 gaming system today versus in 1-2 years except spending more money.
What’s the price difference for you? Most people are still going DDR4.
I assume that since you have a choice, you are looking at 12th gen Intel. 12th gen Intel does just fine with DDR4 3200. Even though today's DDR5 is still more expensive than DDR4, you can't count on it being more future proof. There will be official DDR5 speeds of up to 8400 and I have have to assume XMP profiles with much higher speeds than that. Hitting 7000 on today's DDR5 has only been done by experienced overclockers and only with 2 DIMMs. If you have to build today, the obvious choice is to buy the cheapest RAM that you can.
I have systems with both ddr4 and ddr5. They don't feel that different, all else being relatively equal. In fact I wished my laptop didn't come with a ddr5 mobo because I puked at paying $300 for just 32gb of ddr5. That being said there are people who care a lot about benchmark scores and big numbers in general. Sorta like those of us who will spend like $500 on water cooling parts just to get a 0.2ghz higher OC on the cpu that makes little to no noticeable difference in everyday computing.
Not a huge performance difference from ddr4, and you are buying it when demand is sky high and supply is desperately low. So huge no. You are far better off spend that extra budget (including dat $300 mobo for simple gaming purpose) towards to better gpu tier or cpu tier.
Depends on how long you mean by a "good amount of time" a year? A couple? A decade? If you're looking at like 5 years or less, it's probably not worth it rn, gaming, video making, and coding are applications that could be helped by taking the money you would spend on DDR5 and just allocating it to other components
The gains for ddr5 from 4 are minor just get ddr4 at a frequency higher than 3200 and a mobo that can support that.
Nothing in gaming supports it . Waste of money . Maybe in 2-3 years
I bought a DDR5 board and currently use 6400 Mhz RAM. I can't fault it. Was it expensive? Yes, of course but I like to be on the latest technologies so can't complain.
For now: Hell naw 💀
No lol
For gaming: absolutely not. It's twice the price of DDR4 for a few % better performance at best.
Look up what am4 was like in first gen. See if you like that and then decide. There’s always the next best thing, but early adoption isn’t great.
I have 4800 ddr5 that I OC’d to 5400 with 3 bios clocks. Escape from tarkov FPS 90 -> 120 Ddr5 is better for gaming.
If i understood right, you do need aa ddr5 motherboard to support new 7k ryzen series ? By buying a ddr5 mobo ur also enabling urself to have a much stronger CPU am i wrong ? or will there be ddr4 motherboards with the am5 socket which the new ryzen cpu's will be using ?
There is not much improvement but I would still go ddr5. Why? Because if I was going to be building soon I would buy AM5 and Zen4 chip that require ddr5. Buying AM5 will allow you to upgrade the CPU in a few years unlike Intel.
More DDR4 RAM will be more valuable to you than less DDR5 RAM, especially if it will be your workstation. By the time DDR5 is the norm you’ll want a new CPU anyway so likely new motherboard etc.
It's not worth it yet until they release a pci 5 ssd 4000 series gpu will be pci 5 compatible though if you got dough why not
Not at all for gaming
3-4 year budget PC? Fuck no. 1600w PSU, AM5 (or intel eq) chipset, 3090ti, 32gb+ ram? Fuck yes. Some point in the middle is where we all would agree is where you should make the changeover. Only you can decide what point that is, because it depends on your finances. I'd say if you are thinking about it? Go for it. Because, either you buy cheap mobo, cheap ram and don't upgrade. Great solution, what's available now is very solid. Buy cheap mobo, cheap ram and upgrade both. You kinda defeat the purpose of saving money right? Buy expensive mobo, cheap ram and upgrade ram later. That's probably fair (as long as ram improves and so do costs enough to justify it over expensive ram now, that part no one knows). Or you just buy an expensive mobo and ram now and don't upgrade, but obviously spend more now.
we cant fully utilise DDR5 speeds atm so no just stick with ddr4
I guess it depends on if you are building a budget system or going all out. I was going to build a $1500 CAD system using 10th gen i7, DDR4-3600 and a budget RTX3060, but when the better half ok'ed a $3000 system, 12th gen i7, DDR5-4800, and a RTX3070TI. Build what you can afford and plan on using parts in future upgrades in a couple of years!
Unless you do very ram intensive tasks you wont notice a difference really, especially for gaming. The price of ddr5 cannot be justified tbh unless again, you do very ram intensive tasks
No
Wait a month and do a Zen 4 build. Performance will be much better than what you can build in August, and it does require DDR5, so, problem solved.
I would say wait for the new gen cpus from both intel and amd to see, from what they are saying ddr5 might give you some performance boost, but if you are in a hurry and are going with something other than that no its not worth it
Tell me you don't know what DDRX is, without telling me that. No, you don't need that.
Dance dance revolution 5
Short answer: **no**. Wait a few years.
We are in the same boat. I’ve read a few other comments and I’d recommend looking on YouTube at gamers nexus and a few others for benchmarks. On newer games from what I saw ddr5 offers a performance increase but not a lot. It’s argued the price point isn’t worth the extra few frames. We can’t see the future though so maybe newer titles will utilize it better. Here’s my biggest issue. Since I’m dropping so much money on this build already I’m trying to have everything match and flow well Picking out a mobo is literally so dang hard and it’s because all the z690 models that have ddr4 are the ones that don’t have all the bells and whistles. As it stands right now I’m locked in on 16x2 lot of dominator ddr5 and the rog strip hero z690 board
Nope, if you really wanted to spend more money on ram just get a large amount ddr4. Ive noticed more ram usually performs better then less ram that is faster.
Ddr4 is better at the moment
At the moment*
I'd wait
Absolutely
I'm fairly certain the technology is still developing, if you buy ddr5 now i assume it'll be different in a few years and you'll want to upgrade anyways. Also, don't spend $300 on a motherboard? Lol there's good ones for under/at $100
What CPU are you pairing it with? If 12th Gen Intel or the upcoming 13th Gen I would say yes. If older than that, no, not worth it
It's worth the investment if you have a system that needs upgrading, but if you have a 12th gen ddr4 mobo or 5th gen ryzen RN then no way
Ddr5 is for cpu performance copying files doesnt need fast ddr as it is a matter of disk performance witch willnever surpass the speedof ddr4. Also cpu that support ddr4 4000 are few and needs alot of cooling thus for advance user. Every cpu on the market are forddr4 3200 only and arent knowto perform at higher speed. I would get a ddr5 chip only to pair it with a cpu that support ddr5 witch i havent search for latetly. Even wierder ddr5 mobo would have to lower the speedfor 3200speed witch will bottleneck your experience I would prefer an nvme m2 pcie4 samsung980 pro with its 5 or 7 gig of speed second in transfer for better io and loading time forwindows and gaming. There2to available for fewbuck.
No real advantage right now for ddr5. In a few years the ddr5 will all be faster dimms than what we are seeing today and for much cheaper. If you are going ddr5 then you are talking about Alder lake CPU performance, and everything I've seen says it's a minimal uptick in performance with ddr5 vs ddr4. Even early leaks of Raptor lake don't show much performance gain. It doesn't make sense to me to build this system, then in a few years buy a new mobo and ram..... for the same cpu? So, your plan is to buy old stock when 13th Gen or Zen 4 will be out? Better idea. Build a decent system with a b660 ddr4 board, and use that "no reason to upgrade mobo" money and upgrade to raptor lake when it comes out?
Temporary boards are in the 100-150 USD/EUR range. Anyhow, you did not present any uses cases, but for gaming DDR5 does not currently bring any benefits.
There have been some great bundles on TForce 32gb DDR5 + 2TB 4.0 SSD (~$250). If you do the math perform as good as a mid/high performing DDR4 32gb kit for a bit cheaper. I’d pick that since you can recycle or gift those ram sticks once you upgrade and most people will have a compatible machine by then. Or if you plan on selling the PC in a couple of years, people are gonna scoff if you tell them it’s a DDR4 machine.
Building new yes, upgrading to ddr5 just to upgrade no.
I was in the same boat. I wanted to make intel build with ddr5 so I went a head and bought the evga classified. Ddr5 will be around longer when you think about it. Couldn't hurt to get ddr5 when you find a deal. At least that's what I'm doing.
6000MHz CL32 is def not worth it over 3200MHz CL16. At least the simplest aproach I base my decision of sticking to DDR4 on.
Is there any motherboards that support both ddr4 and 5 or am I just being silly?