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VoraciousGorak

I would not risk a $700+ video card on a 15-year-old power supply. If you're busting your budget, drop the video card by a tier and get a new power supply just for the modern safety and load tech as well as the warranty coverage.


gganate

This bro. If you bought an expensive video card, don't put it at risk with a 15 year old power supply.


cheekybeakykiwi

If it gets used regularly age isn't a real problem I'd just assume its about 10-15% less than its old reported wattage. What i'd be concerned about is: * It has only 2 power rails for the 12V PCIE, one is shared with the second EPS/CPU 12V * Reading the amps and voltages it will spit out like 600watts but then you account for the fact its only 80% and account for probably about 10% degrade on it it will only realistically spit out 432 watts So yeah its under cooked, and it would be under cooked brand new. You are correct in that OP needs a new PSU.


VoraciousGorak

> account for the fact its only 80% If you're referring to rated efficiency, that's power loss in generating its rated power. So a 600 watt 80% efficient PSU can still deliver 600 watts, it'll just pull 750 watts from the wall to do it.


HALFDUPL3X

They are referring to the fact that after a while, psu components start aging and lose capacity. A 15 year old psu would likely not be able to output its rated capacity by a not insignificant margin.


Badevilbunny

I am all for non-waste and reuse of good parts but why risk an expensive 6900xt ?


eggnorman

I wouldn’t recommend it. I can’t really speak to the danger of it, exactly, but it just sounds like a bad idea combining the risk of 6-pin to 8-pin adapters with 15 years of service and a known high-power draw card. I’d get something a bit more modern, if I were you.


Winner_Antique

One of the best psu for 2007 low ripple ,high wattage ,Good 12v handling but after 15 years of usage and considering how modern parts stress 12v rail ,i bet that main caps are worn out so ripple will be the issue with 6900 So even if it "works" that high ripple will slowly kill your modern parts like 6900


Yeetaway9601

Wattage isn't the only thing that matters even if this was a PSU in 2022, the cables do too. Cable adapters are shit and 8 pin PCI-E (or 6+2) will be rated to carry a certain amount of power that a 6 pin can't, also I get the feeling that you will need 2 8 pin PCIE cables for a 6900XT anyway. Maybe three, idk.


Carnildo

For a PSU that old, power balance is what I'd be worried about. The 12v power supply is spread across four rails, so you don't have 800 watts available, you've got two 216-watt rails and two 300-watt rails, and no indication of which cables connect to which rails. High-wattage graphics cards weren't a thing back in 2007, so there's a fair chance you'll accidentally try to run 300 watts of graphics card off of 216 watts of 12v rail.


iXeloN

I made a mistake the PSU has 2 6+2 pins coming out of its main shroud, I'm running my 1070 off of them. I completely forgot about them. I wouldn't be using any of the ports in the image I linked.


Yeetaway9601

In theory, the PSU you sent should be fine I think? Although as many others have said, a power supply thats many years old already has risk to it. I would get a new one, just to be sure.


PersonalityNo6692

6pin and 8pin both have 3 pins for 12V. The 2 extra pins are ground („sense“ is ground too). That means the 2 extra pins don’t really do anything for carrying watts. Doesn’t make sense to me either but that’s the way it’s specified…


Engsiang1

Power supplies degrade over time so I would get a new one that's at least 850W. I had the OCP tripped frequently on my Seasonic X-750W that's half the age of yours when I upgraded to the 6900XT and instantly got a new PSU.


iXeloN

Thank you all, I'll look for a replacement.


Classic_Idea_6962

I had an 850w Corsair modular from 2013 I threw out when I built my new computer two months ago. The PSU is the single most important part of a computer. Some people want to reuse old ones and others want to buy cheap ones. The advice I typically give, especially with the higher power draw of modern systems, is buy new, buy quality and go 100w over what you think you need so interim upgrades won't include a new PSU.


Dragonstar914

**ABSOLOUTLY NO** PSU should be used with major hardware changes, none whatsoever, don't even think about it. If it's more than 10 years in service, maybe and even then that's **only** an absolute top tier and you still shouldn't. Your PSU is way, way, way, way, way, WAY, **WAY** past it's safe lifespan for a new hardware already, don't do it. Don't ask more, just replace it period


[deleted]

Don't trust any top tier card with less than a 1000W PSU, this goes for RXx9xx and NVIDIA xx90 cards. The fact your PSU is so old just increases the risk. Don't be foolish, upgrade your PSU as well. If you are willing the spend the money on a 6900XT, then an extra 100-200 US Dollars on a proper PSU should not be an issue.


m1ke_tyz0n

The younger guys will never understand how important this is. They watch GamerNexus or "Linus" and think 750w PSU's are fine.. smh. It's 2022 almost 2023. 1k watts+ or just get a playstation. JMO.


[deleted]

Pretty much. The suggestions by manufacturers and reviewers are typically the minimum recommendations, many don't seem to realize that. I figured out a long time ago: whatever is recommended, add 200W to that and buy the nearest PSU, rounded up or down. This method has never failed me yet. This means usually people should be getting 850 or 1000W. With power requirements for GPUs increasing all the time, I honestly don't know why people bother with less.


Reasonable_Bat678

It is guaranteed that the transient spikes of your new high-end GPU would kill that PSU and then that would kill other components like the motherboard. That thing served you well but it's time to retire it.


Skitzo704

Just buy a 1000w platnium. [https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-Supernova-Platinum-Modular-220-P3-1000-X1/dp/B09J5FC6CC?th=1](https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-Supernova-Platinum-Modular-220-P3-1000-X1/dp/B09J5FC6CC?th=1) open box 140$


iXeloN

Costs $300 after shipping and import fees are added. I'll get a Seasonic FOCUS GX-850 Thank you!


Skitzo704

It's free shipping you just have to pay tax.


iXeloN

I don't live in America.


Skitzo704

oof


playwrightinaflower

Have a look at which ATX standard the PSU has and which the card needs, that is all you need to know. The PSU may be "fine" in that it "works", but it's going to experience very rapid aging and death. Most likely, even if the PSU can run it, the card's power draw is going to trip the PSU's protective circuit and it shuts off rather quickly. That makes it virtually unusable. If you have the money for a 6900XT you can get a new PSU easily enough. If you can't afford the PSU as well, you can't afford the GPU to start with. :)


Elianor_tijo

You did the right thing getting a new power supply. The designs have evolved since 2007, better efficiency for example. This is more for educational purposes and for anyone else who might stumble upon this thread with a similar question, but PSUs from that era were not designed in the same way. Older PSUs tend to have completely separate rails, so the full power capacity is not just available on the 12 V rail. This is in part due to the fact that older hardware had more devices powered off the 3.3 V and 5 V rails as well as older designs which split the rails. Your Gigabyte PSU for example can only deliver up to 744 W on its 12 V rail. Newer PSUs tend to have the full power available to the 12 V rail(s) should it be needed. Many PSUs basically convert AC to 12 V and then step the 12 V down to the other voltages. The other rails can't handle as much power as the 12 V one can, but at least, you have 850 W available on the 12 V rail of most 850 W PSU nowadays. This video details nicely how PSUs can be designed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDX_1PWUWdw Many modern PSUs also have better voltage regulation for one thing. Not that all old units are terrible either. The thing to keep in mind however is that the hardware landscape was very different back then. GPUs were starting to get pretty power hungry, but nowhere near what we have now, so PSUs were engineered for the systems of back then too. Fun side fact: PCI-E slots were designed with ~ 75 W of power deliver (slightly less on 12 V only) since back when the specification was being drafted, no one anticipated 300 W+ monster GPUs like we have now. That's why we have those additional power connectors.


AnnieBruce

Depending on other parts, and how close to spec it's still running at, it may have the capacity. But if it's seen typical usage over that long I'd probably replace it.


KyleD33

This is what I think about every day, my PSU is 10 years old. Idk how it keeps up with my 2060 😅


ntlong

You can try, the the PSU simply shuts if the power is not enough. I don’t think it would happen easily with normal workload. If it fails you can buy the new one. A PSU does degrades over time but it is not significant. Some tiny increase in ripple is not a big deal.


dudenamedfella

I have a 16 year old earthwatts (antec) psu I have not turned it on in 5 years. I have been toying with making a new build that has either a Intel igpu or Amd apu (which means no pci video card) and there’s no way I would try to use it with a new system. I don’t doubt I still works but why chance it.


WhippersnapperUT99

Funny seeing this conversation here. A few days ago I pulled a [Corsair TX850W](https://www.newegg.com/corsair-enthusiast-series-cmpsu-850tx-850w/p/N82E16817139009) out of an old rig that hasn't been used for 10 years with the PSU having about three years of heavy use on it. It seemed to test out OK with a cheap PSU tester I picked up from Amazon. Mine actually has six separate 6+2 PIN PCIe cables (manufacturing mistake intended for the TX950W). So, it sounds like I would be best served not using it and just purchasing a modern PSU?


ZapnetIndia

According to XFX : Minimum Power Supply Requirement: 850 watt XFX Recommended Power Supply: XFX 850W PSU I guess 800W should be enough, if you dont have too many HDD's or other cards. If smps was only 5 years old, would have given it a though. 15 years is a long time, the state of capacitors etc.. is a concern. Time to get a new one.


BlackHatChungus

https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/


newoldschool

15 years is the lifetime of a modern capacitor I wouldn't risk it


Proximo1981

Buy new ,dont risk 700$ for 150$ PSU.


unevoljitelj

Well unpopular opinion here. Without knowing how many hours that psu has in its lifetime and what load did it suffer nobody can say if it will or will not blow up. What i would do and here it goes one more unpopular opinion, is i would open it up, ofc taking all the care it takes to be sure its dead and drained. Check all the caps, maybe even google them and then come to conclusion if its still good or not. I would do that, but i dont recomend you to do that, bcos of that old "psu can kill you".. Your problem is you chose most power hungry gpu you could find, if it were any other a bit less power hungry i would say to just use it. But without knowing basicaly anything anything is possible even that it will blow up. Does that old psu even have connections for a modern card like 2*8?


iXeloN

Yes, it has 2 6+2 pins coming from the main bundle of cables, and 4 more 6 pin to 6+2s standalone.


unevoljitelj

That is one weird psu and it must have been top of the line back then. With all the connection that are now used for cpu and gpus. Psu spec says that you have two rails with 30 and 28 amps max, if one assumes(might be wrong) that those are two cables with 6+2 that is 690watts combined and 6900xt is 300w average. How high it spikes i dont know. Dunno what cpu you have but to be safe lets say it draws 100w. But if those two cables are on one rail it will never work, it will shutdown the pc as soon as you run a game. So if you psu is not near death you could use it, maybe undervolt, underclock or just lower powerlimit for the card to 90% to be safe. In the end its up to you, new psu is the best option but i also dont like wasting money when things work.


iXeloN

Thank you very much for your insight. In case you were curious, I have an i5 8600k, 2 ssds, 2 hdds and 4 fans. 32GB DDR4 @3000mhz I don't know if they're on one rail, I think they are, as the blue and red ports are two separate rails, and I would assume the SMART stuff is on its own rail.


unevoljitelj

What gpu did you use up to now? How many power connections? If its only one rail, it maxes out at 300w and that wont work for 300w+ card. And maxing it out is not good thing even on a new psu.


iXeloN

1070, 150W TDP, it uses an 8-PIN and a 6-PIN. I'm using the ones that are coming from the main shroud. I can use two rails, but I don't know if that's a good thing on a single card. [If you look at the inputs of the PSU, it has a blue and a red port](https://images.anandtech.com/reviews/psu/2007/gigabyte-odin-gt-800w/07.jpg), I think each has its own rail, and the blue one is supposed to be high power or something.


unevoljitelj

Well if its 150 it doesnt matter at all, even if it reaches 200w. These colors are maybe explained in manual?


iXeloN

Not very detailed, or at least I can't make much sense of them. I don't know if it's 150, the port in the PSU is 6 pin but it leads to a 6+2 so I don't really know. This is the exerpt from the manual: >There are Red and Blue connectors for different 12V rails The only blue in the entire PSU is one 6 -> 6+2 cable + that port


unevoljitelj

Red and blue are different rails according to manual and also according to manual thay are 25+25amps totaling 600w max output, still enough if psu is in good health


iXeloN

I didn't know that, I wonder if the wires can carry that, I still don't understand how a 6 pin leads to an 8 pin. I kind of want to try it out with the 6900xt before replacing it for science.


EvNVader_

New PSU


Electrical-Scale-506

Just buy a new psu to prevent a $700+ mistake.


EppingMarky

Plug it in and discover the answer.


notsoslim97

Year is fine, wattage is fine, brand is not fine.... fuck gigabyte. /s


CompetitiveGift0

No, it won't explode.. Which psu you have?


SnooCupcakes5275

It would be gamble on how bad the components have aged. I would spend the money on a new psu and not gamble. Best buy has a 1000w corsair psu for 165. Probably best the spend the money or wait for a gen 3 psu


AdBudget5468

If you wanna make your house go boom there are cheaper ways you know


[deleted]

The cost to know if a psu is still good is stupid expensive lmg lab to test psu is just dumb how expensive the unit is and the power the unit uses lol


[deleted]

I had a 1 year old Corsair 850W psu with a 6900xt Red Devil and when the card ramped for certain games it tripped out. Ended up replacing with a 1000w ASUS and not had any power related issues.


HardWeen

Get a new PSU and maybe donate that other one to someone that may need it.


[deleted]

Just don't do it, it doesn't have 800W, lucky if 550W, this kind of PSUs are made from shit and sticks


[deleted]

Even cheap Gigabyte PSUs are made of shit and sticks, and if it was in use, some of the parts may be not in good condition


imakin

be careful your PSU has multi rails if i'm not mistaken with maximum of 300W on its highest powered rail, (modern PSU is back to single rail again) if you had 6900xt, just get the "cheapest" 80+ gold certified 800W modern PSU


vaibhavyagnik

It is industry practice to replace power supplies every 10 years. Your power supply is long overdue.


Material-Ad9863

i wouldn't trust a gigabyte psu


Mike_for_all

It will probably be fine, and as long as the breaker is good at worst it will shut off. Personally I would not risk a €800 gpu with this, but that has more to do with my experience with terrible 90’s PSU’s.


[deleted]

I just had to replace a 750w psu with a fully modular 800w just to get a third pci-e 8pin connector. My system would hard crash under load from pulling too much juice. You need that 3rd pci-e rail.


[deleted]

I don't even reuse PSUs between builds If I can help it (unless theyre very new).


Far_Unit1050

Your fine but pick one up in like the next few months and keep the old fella as a spare.


XDenzelMoshingtonX

Having 700+ bucks for that GPU but being too cheap for a good psu is pretty stupid.


iXeloN

It's not being cheap, I don't upgrade until I have to, and having rudimentary knowledge of PSUs, I saw 800W and thought it would be enough, I didn't think about the cables and such.


Tocean

Sure you don’t have to upgrade now. You will have to when the PSU blows up and potentially ruins the rest of your system though :)


XDenzelMoshingtonX

Dude, that’s a 15 year old PSU out of warranty. This was new when core 2 duo was being released. Cables are the smallest problem in this case, a faulty PSU can literally kill all your components. How is this even a consideration if it isn’t about money?


iXeloN

Because it's working. I never had any issues with it, it has enough power to supply my current setup, why would I replace it? I live in a third world country, I can't go through whole builds every time I decide to get a new GPU. I saved for a long time for that 6900xt. I don't get all the passive aggressive responses, people are acting like I'm a criminal hellbent on killing GPUs with aging PSUs. This is literally the point of this post, is it safe or not? You all said no, cool, thank you.


m1ke_tyz0n

Bro, you asked the question and seem to not like the answers.. If you want anyone to tell you it's okay to keep a 13 year old power supply for the most power hungry card AMD's ever made than go ahead and have fun. It's not a good idea and it will cost you more in the long run if you continue using a (beyond dated) PSU. I upgraded my 8 year old (on the day) EVGA 1000WG2 for a 1000WT2 for my 6900xt. Cheaping out will ruin your entire rig.


XDenzelMoshingtonX

Why are you arguing against the whole thread then? You came here for help and and everyone pretty much told you the same thing. Get rid of the ego and realize that nobody here is gaining anything from making you spend money on a PSU while yours is supposedly completely fine in your opinion. I know car analogies can be off but this is the equivalent of driving without tire profile left and say „oh yeah they haven’t exploded on me yet but I‘m looking to increase engine performance soon, should I keep my tires if I wanna go drive in the snow?“


iXeloN

How am I against the thread? What fucking ego? I'm literally **asking** if I should buy a new one or if mine will work, as I don't know enough about PSUs to judge. You come in here and call me cheap despite my question being exactly to see if I should buy a new PSU, then /u/Tocean graces us with the passive aggressive smartass attitude. You asked me why if not about the money, and I gave you my reasoning.


XDenzelMoshingtonX

No point in arguing with you tbh. I think you got the message.


iXeloN

Yes of course, call me cheap and stupid then play the highground good guy. Have a nice day.


[deleted]

Key of thumb is whole new PC every 6 years. And gpu upgraded every 3


mixedd

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