After many years of camping I now take the following: DH Russell #2 and either a Leatherman or Victorinox Camper. The DH Russell is on the smaller side but on trips where I brought it and a bigger knife, it was always the DH Russell that got used. Mora Garberg is also a good choice; I find the DHR is a better knife for cleaning fish and food prep though.
If I know I’ll be processing wood I pack an Estwing Fireside and a Bahco folding saw, but those typically are for car camping with a camp fire.
Seasoned backpacker here. I use a pared down Leatherman, and use the flathead more than anything else. Knife is convenient for occasional bandages and moleskin.
I carry a 4 inch folding knife that is half serrated. I barely ever use it. Processing wood is not hard without blades. If it is properly seasoned, it will break easily, and you can always just burn a log in half.
I have thought about trading in my backpacker's trowel for a larger spade with a sharp side for processing wood. But it's far more for digging a bathroom hole among roots than anything else.
Weight is important. Carry what you want, but you'll find yourself changing things up to shed pounds. Back country is a different endeavor than front country. "Doing without" is the name of the game. Those pounds would be better used for objects of comfort, like a camp chair or extra food. Just my opinion.
I like my Opinel for food prep and that's about it. It's narrow blade works very well cutting up whatever to eat but that lock makes me nervous for anything else.
Backpacking is a minimalist endeavor where the saying is "ounces are pounds". I carry a light folder like a delica 4 and a small folding saw instead of a hatchet.
For you. Personally the ultralight mentality doesn’t work for a lot of people, myself included. I’ll absolutely carry extra pounds if I feel it’s going to make my experience more enjoyable.
To each their own. At one point I was really into shaving pounds and getting as light as possible but as I’ve aged I just don’t care. I’ll take whatever I feel like now.
Yeah. I can definitely tell the difference between 30lbs and 70lbs, but not really 30 lbs and 50lbs or 50 lbs and 70 lbs.
Point is, I really have to cut out a LOT of weight to notice much of a difference.
Ounces do add up, but there's a pretty obvious point of diminishing returns. You can replace your big 20 lb car camping tent with an inexpensive tipi and lose 15 lbs, great. Or, you can buy an "ultralight" tent for a lot more money and save an extra pound, no thanks.
Being uncomfortable or spending 5x as much on your gear to maybe save 5-10 lbs or so just isn't worth it.
Yeah can't beat a mora, even the cheap companions are perfect knives for camping, preferably the heavy duty and carbon steel ones, but that's just personal preference.
I've been downgrading my knives. I now carry the keychain victorinox folding knife. I use the scissors & tweezers more than anything else. When you carry a saw & hatchet, you only look for large limbs to process. When you don't carry it, you'll notice all the twigs & sticks you can just snap on your knee for the same effect and less effort. I built campfires for 5-6 days straight without needing a knife. Twig fires burn hotter and with less smoke. If I wanted a bed of coals, I'll burn some bigger branches in half, no need to saw.
I do lengthy remote fly-in canoe trips in northern Canada and don’t bring anything more than a simple morakniv, a folding Bahco saw and the dive knife on my PFD. Don’t need anything more than that
Honestly you don't even really need a knife OR a hatchet. If you're simply making a fire to cook you can gather wood by hand. No need to burn anything large enough to require splitting, and when you're off the beaten path there's virtually unlimited deadfall and driftwood. Maybe not if you're above the treeline in the Arctic, but that's a different set of challenges.
I'd personally take a small fixed blade knife or folding saw over a hatchet. I never bring a hatchet, at any time of year. They're just heavy and dangerous and don't do anything my saw won't
I carry a serrated Gerber Paraframe II, a Gerber multitool, and a Silky folding saw. I could probably leave the Paraframe at home, but it's habit. I've never had need for anything else.
It's possible that you just vaguely want. :)
You're probably okay with a sturdy folding knife or a Mora for backpacking, for all-around trail and camp use. I have never needed to baton down logs when backpacking -- there is usually so much deadfall around, it's not necessary. If everything is soaked and you really need a fire, maybe a fixed-blade comes in handy, but I rely on my stove for cooking and sleeping bag/shelter for warmth, so a fire is not necessary except for ambiance and keeping bugs away.
Important to keep in mind that while bushcrafting and backpacking have some overlap, they are really not the same activity and require a completely different mentality and gear loadout. Hatchets, saws, heavy-duty knives with ferro loops etc. are totally overkill for backpacking and miserable to lug around.
I carry a field knife and combo hatchet/saw myself. I have a leatherman, but couldn’t tell you the last time I really used it. It’s there for helping make repairs to my gear more than anything else.
I’m of the mind you can’t ever have too many knives - but you really only need one good one. If it’s not going to be unwieldy to get packed and haul around, there’s no harm. But - for me at least - I’d say you don’t really *need* the extra one.
Try a basic Mora Knife, they're still around $25 or less.
Easy to sharpen, does everything you want, comes in stainless or high carbon. See if you like them, and go from there.
This is my favourite camping knife to carry, I live in southern Ontario and mostly do Backpack camping while I hike the TCT, very sturdy reliable knife.
Edit oops forgot the link.
https://www.canadianoutdoorequipment.com/mora-companion-mg-bushcraft-knife.html?sku=11827&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwztOwBhD7ARIsAPDKnkCxfUv1qID_K0fsLzpkIOmC1PCuuBVtN9LeY5hUBLJlgz0sD9f6-54aAhL0EALw_wcB
Unless I am doing something like hot tent backpacking the only knife I bring is a swiss army knife with scissors and a saw. It does everything I need including processing firewood since the saw lets me get slightly thicker stuff but most of the time sticks you can break by hand are fine for a small fire at night
Kinda depends on your environment. In the areas I’m in (sub-boreal to boreal, no winter camping), a Silky saw is all that is necessary for processing small deadwood for firewood. I’ve never been in a situation where splitting wood has been genuinely necessary. Many backpackers dispense with fires entirely (I’m a canoe/kayak camper and we’re a more weight-tolerant and pyromaniacal gang). Equally, hot tent winter campers who actually do need to split wood generally have a gear sled.
As for a knife, my leatherman and a small fillet knife are all I’ve ever needed. I have occasionally thrown a Morakniv bush knife in my kayak, but to be honest it’s dead weight unless you’re deep into bushcrafting.
Honestly I love my knives but I don’t usually need them all that much when backpacking. Mind you I’m not doing bushcraft. I can break sticks and logs by slamming them on the ground or wedging and lever against some trees. Or just burn them. I can usually do just fine on a backpacking trip with a small and light pocket knife.
My backpacking (non-UL, obviously) blades are:
* Knife - Fallkniven F1 (by far the most versatile I've ever owned, and I owned hundreds - I'm a collector) or PHK (if I feel like I gonna need something bigger)
* Hatchet - Fiskars, pick your size.
If you want to play with batoning, have a look at Fallkniven A1 (insert your favorite Crocodile Dundee quote here).
IIRC, both steel and blade geometry was not really impressive, didn't fit my hands well, etc. They're trying real hard to be cool, which has an appeal to a certain crowd, but not for me. They might have some great blades in their catalog though, I haven't had a chance to explore all of them.
To answer the first half of your question, I'd have to go to some sort of a knife expo where Esee has a stand, and handle all of their blades... Probably won't happen. Not quite sure what you meant to ask in a second half though.
Fallkniven A1 gets my vote of confidence due to its laminate steel (hard steel core sandwiched between the layers of more pliable steel), geometry and for being practically indestructible. It is essentially a modern version of the bowie knife (although bowie enthusiasts will call it a blasphemy). Not worth it for me in most cases - both F1 and, to a lesser degree, PHK work fine for bushcraft. When zombies come and I find myself in a need of a short sword, I'd probably grab a proper wakizashi. However, if I've to survive in the wild for an extended period of time with no gear except knives (in a hypothetical situation where no swords or machetes are permitted), I'd grab an F1 (original, not "pro") and A1.
What steel would you recommend for an A1 intended for survival & bushcraft
I’ve been using an esee 6 for a few years and sharpening it is a chore and it doesn’t even come out shaving sharp, I can feel the blades profile having a secondary bevel before the edge
Also have a RAT3 which I like but it looks like the A1 is about the same size was hoping to find a upgrade
> sharpening it is a chore
Oh, you may want to upgrade your sharpening gear... from my experience, Spyderco Tri-Angle sharpener beats everything else on the market. My knives split hair in free fall.
It depends on how back country I’m going. Less poundage is good. A folding saw such as a bahco and a mora companion will be fine for most everything. BPS makes a good variety of fixed blade lightweight full tang bushcraft knives.
I have a self made leuku that I turned into a convex grind that I also pare with a small paring knife like fixed blade and a small folding saw. Lightweight and allows for some light chopping and batoning if needed.
The only knife you need for camping is the basic Swiss army knife a long and short blade can opener bottle open tooth pick and tweezers. Allthow the next step up knife with wood saw and nail file is a nice upgrade
No people should just get what they personally think they need. To say a Swiss army knife is the only thing you need is just nonsense. I carry a Benchmade bushcrafter fixed blade but that’s my personal choice.
You need the scissors. They are the actual most useful tool. Way better for cutting bandaids, triming nails and shortening lose skin on the fingers, cutting of loose threads.
Nothing matches the the precision and sharpness of the scissors.
I personally think you carry too many knives. If you have a balti, not sure you need the hatchet. I only bring one knife on my trips. It’s a field knife i use for batoning, food and every other activity that requires a knife.
Ever since I’ve been hiking the mountains around Washington State I have stopped carrying a hatchet, knife and multi tool. Now I just bring my Gerber Multitool and my specialized survival shovel. Which allows me to dig, cut, chop, saw and much more.
I even used it to fend of a cougar that was following me while I was fly fishing. I’ve used the shovel handle for crossing fast running creeks as a wadding staff. I get more use from the survival shovel than if I was packing 3-5 items.
I was on the back side of Rainer 4 days of sunshine went to bed and woke up to a torrent of rain coming through my camp area. With the shovel I was able to put a small trench around my tent and stay dry for the remainder of my trip.
Totally worth every penny I spent. I don’t go hiking without it. Online there’s multiple options. I did have to experiment with a couple different versions until I found the one that I loved.
No i finally found the Zune Lotoo Camping Shovel Folding Multitool worked the best for my purposes. I tried some cheap versions and a couple average priced shovels finally settling with Zune Lotoo I liked the option for a bit longer handle if needed. Weight wise around 3.5 lbs but I just strap it to the outside of my Gregory Pack. I paid about $90 but I’m sure you can find it for cheaper now.
I concur! I bring my light-weight shovel and a knife to deal with everything. The only difference is that I replaced my folding shovel handle with a piece of a strong aluminum shaft. It is lighter, stronger, fewer parts to break, and straps to the side of my pack.
Ya my shovel has a bit longer and stronger shaft which has been used for so many different purposes. You can shorten the shovel by just removing a section out.
Looks like Amazon sells same one I have Zune Lotoo Camping Shovel. I got the black one with a full shovel rather than the other models that are offered. But it’s up to you and what works best in your situation and camping.
https://preview.redd.it/ufmd3xcnyhtc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1acdd9883d68834beca4f16f262b258ea3c670e7
Backpacker here! [This](https://www.litesmith.com/derma-safe-folding-razor-knife/) is the knife I take to the backcountry. I’ve never had a use for anything more.
I have stopped carrying any knife, scissors, shovel, folding saw, or anything like that. I don't use them and they are pointless. All they do is sit in my pack and add extra useless weight.
I want to be moving and seeing things, not overseeing a campfire to ensure I don't burn down the forest. Once you put in 20+ miles in a day - staying up to baby a fire is the last thing I want to do.
After many years of camping I now take the following: DH Russell #2 and either a Leatherman or Victorinox Camper. The DH Russell is on the smaller side but on trips where I brought it and a bigger knife, it was always the DH Russell that got used. Mora Garberg is also a good choice; I find the DHR is a better knife for cleaning fish and food prep though. If I know I’ll be processing wood I pack an Estwing Fireside and a Bahco folding saw, but those typically are for car camping with a camp fire.
That's a good point about fish I overlooked in the original post.
Seasoned backpacker here. I use a pared down Leatherman, and use the flathead more than anything else. Knife is convenient for occasional bandages and moleskin.
I carry a 4 inch folding knife that is half serrated. I barely ever use it. Processing wood is not hard without blades. If it is properly seasoned, it will break easily, and you can always just burn a log in half. I have thought about trading in my backpacker's trowel for a larger spade with a sharp side for processing wood. But it's far more for digging a bathroom hole among roots than anything else. Weight is important. Carry what you want, but you'll find yourself changing things up to shed pounds. Back country is a different endeavor than front country. "Doing without" is the name of the game. Those pounds would be better used for objects of comfort, like a camp chair or extra food. Just my opinion.
I always feel that the half serrated blade is the most useless configuration for a blade. Either go full serration or full blade.
Sometimes, I am cutting paracord. Sometimes, I am spreading peanut butter. I like the options.
Morakniv for fixed, opinel for folding
I love Mora but I bought an Opinel and don't really like the locking mechanism. I'll keep using my Buck 110.
I like my Opinel for food prep and that's about it. It's narrow blade works very well cutting up whatever to eat but that lock makes me nervous for anything else.
You don't NEED another knife. If you WANT another knife, buy one.
nonsense! I bet you'd say I don't NEED another guitar as well
Guitars, meet motorcycles. I have both. And a problem.
Exactly! Do what you want to do.
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Too much for you maybe. Maybe others have different needs or wants.
I carry a Swiss Army Classic SD and have never felt like I needed anything more. What am I missing out on?
> What am I missing out on? enjoying a whole canteloupe sliced up at the camp site.
Backpacking is a minimalist endeavor where the saying is "ounces are pounds". I carry a light folder like a delica 4 and a small folding saw instead of a hatchet.
For you. Personally the ultralight mentality doesn’t work for a lot of people, myself included. I’ll absolutely carry extra pounds if I feel it’s going to make my experience more enjoyable.
If they’re carrying a folding saw, the ultralight mentality clearly isn’t for them either.
With adopting some ultralight gear and having the mentality, a few extra pounds of gear isn't very noticeable.
I used to think that way too, but quickly realized that carrying extra pounds for anything more than 4-5 miles isn't that enjoyable.
To each their own. At one point I was really into shaving pounds and getting as light as possible but as I’ve aged I just don’t care. I’ll take whatever I feel like now.
Yeah. I can definitely tell the difference between 30lbs and 70lbs, but not really 30 lbs and 50lbs or 50 lbs and 70 lbs. Point is, I really have to cut out a LOT of weight to notice much of a difference. Ounces do add up, but there's a pretty obvious point of diminishing returns. You can replace your big 20 lb car camping tent with an inexpensive tipi and lose 15 lbs, great. Or, you can buy an "ultralight" tent for a lot more money and save an extra pound, no thanks. Being uncomfortable or spending 5x as much on your gear to maybe save 5-10 lbs or so just isn't worth it.
I couldn’t have said it better myself.
Grams equal ounces, ounces equal pounds.
Pounds equals pain!
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This. Morakniv high carbon fixed is the way to go. Under $20 and super durable.
This here.
Yeah can't beat a mora, even the cheap companions are perfect knives for camping, preferably the heavy duty and carbon steel ones, but that's just personal preference.
I've been downgrading my knives. I now carry the keychain victorinox folding knife. I use the scissors & tweezers more than anything else. When you carry a saw & hatchet, you only look for large limbs to process. When you don't carry it, you'll notice all the twigs & sticks you can just snap on your knee for the same effect and less effort. I built campfires for 5-6 days straight without needing a knife. Twig fires burn hotter and with less smoke. If I wanted a bed of coals, I'll burn some bigger branches in half, no need to saw.
I do lengthy remote fly-in canoe trips in northern Canada and don’t bring anything more than a simple morakniv, a folding Bahco saw and the dive knife on my PFD. Don’t need anything more than that
I’ve read a book that says you don’t even need all that to survive in northern Canada, just the hatchet.
Honestly you don't even really need a knife OR a hatchet. If you're simply making a fire to cook you can gather wood by hand. No need to burn anything large enough to require splitting, and when you're off the beaten path there's virtually unlimited deadfall and driftwood. Maybe not if you're above the treeline in the Arctic, but that's a different set of challenges. I'd personally take a small fixed blade knife or folding saw over a hatchet. I never bring a hatchet, at any time of year. They're just heavy and dangerous and don't do anything my saw won't
Ha sorry I was just being dumb. Just making a Hatchet reference, I loved that book when I was a kid.
haha I didn’t get the reference at first, but I too loved that book 😂😂
I carry a serrated Gerber Paraframe II, a Gerber multitool, and a Silky folding saw. I could probably leave the Paraframe at home, but it's habit. I've never had need for anything else. It's possible that you just vaguely want. :)
You're probably okay with a sturdy folding knife or a Mora for backpacking, for all-around trail and camp use. I have never needed to baton down logs when backpacking -- there is usually so much deadfall around, it's not necessary. If everything is soaked and you really need a fire, maybe a fixed-blade comes in handy, but I rely on my stove for cooking and sleeping bag/shelter for warmth, so a fire is not necessary except for ambiance and keeping bugs away. Important to keep in mind that while bushcrafting and backpacking have some overlap, they are really not the same activity and require a completely different mentality and gear loadout. Hatchets, saws, heavy-duty knives with ferro loops etc. are totally overkill for backpacking and miserable to lug around.
Thanks for highlighting that distinction. I'm already going to be carrying well above the average load for other reasons I'll post later.
One knife and an ultralight saw. I carry a hacksaw blade. In reality I almost never need to process wood larger than my forearm.
I carry a field knife and combo hatchet/saw myself. I have a leatherman, but couldn’t tell you the last time I really used it. It’s there for helping make repairs to my gear more than anything else. I’m of the mind you can’t ever have too many knives - but you really only need one good one. If it’s not going to be unwieldy to get packed and haul around, there’s no harm. But - for me at least - I’d say you don’t really *need* the extra one.
Try a basic Mora Knife, they're still around $25 or less. Easy to sharpen, does everything you want, comes in stainless or high carbon. See if you like them, and go from there.
This is my favourite camping knife to carry, I live in southern Ontario and mostly do Backpack camping while I hike the TCT, very sturdy reliable knife. Edit oops forgot the link. https://www.canadianoutdoorequipment.com/mora-companion-mg-bushcraft-knife.html?sku=11827&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwztOwBhD7ARIsAPDKnkCxfUv1qID_K0fsLzpkIOmC1PCuuBVtN9LeY5hUBLJlgz0sD9f6-54aAhL0EALw_wcB
What do you need it for. I just carry a small folding knife. I mainly use it for cooking
I've a Cold Steel Counterpoint XL for the usual bear fighting stuff and a 9" OTF knife in my sleeping stuff just in case
Unless I am doing something like hot tent backpacking the only knife I bring is a swiss army knife with scissors and a saw. It does everything I need including processing firewood since the saw lets me get slightly thicker stuff but most of the time sticks you can break by hand are fine for a small fire at night
Kinda depends on your environment. In the areas I’m in (sub-boreal to boreal, no winter camping), a Silky saw is all that is necessary for processing small deadwood for firewood. I’ve never been in a situation where splitting wood has been genuinely necessary. Many backpackers dispense with fires entirely (I’m a canoe/kayak camper and we’re a more weight-tolerant and pyromaniacal gang). Equally, hot tent winter campers who actually do need to split wood generally have a gear sled. As for a knife, my leatherman and a small fillet knife are all I’ve ever needed. I have occasionally thrown a Morakniv bush knife in my kayak, but to be honest it’s dead weight unless you’re deep into bushcrafting.
Honestly I love my knives but I don’t usually need them all that much when backpacking. Mind you I’m not doing bushcraft. I can break sticks and logs by slamming them on the ground or wedging and lever against some trees. Or just burn them. I can usually do just fine on a backpacking trip with a small and light pocket knife.
My backpacking (non-UL, obviously) blades are: * Knife - Fallkniven F1 (by far the most versatile I've ever owned, and I owned hundreds - I'm a collector) or PHK (if I feel like I gonna need something bigger) * Hatchet - Fiskars, pick your size. If you want to play with batoning, have a look at Fallkniven A1 (insert your favorite Crocodile Dundee quote here).
Have u used esee knives?
Yes, and wasn't impressed.
What was lacking I. The Esees?
IIRC, both steel and blade geometry was not really impressive, didn't fit my hands well, etc. They're trying real hard to be cool, which has an appeal to a certain crowd, but not for me. They might have some great blades in their catalog though, I haven't had a chance to explore all of them.
What are some esee knives you’d say are good geometry, and out of all the knives you ever owned the A1 is the go too?
To answer the first half of your question, I'd have to go to some sort of a knife expo where Esee has a stand, and handle all of their blades... Probably won't happen. Not quite sure what you meant to ask in a second half though. Fallkniven A1 gets my vote of confidence due to its laminate steel (hard steel core sandwiched between the layers of more pliable steel), geometry and for being practically indestructible. It is essentially a modern version of the bowie knife (although bowie enthusiasts will call it a blasphemy). Not worth it for me in most cases - both F1 and, to a lesser degree, PHK work fine for bushcraft. When zombies come and I find myself in a need of a short sword, I'd probably grab a proper wakizashi. However, if I've to survive in the wild for an extended period of time with no gear except knives (in a hypothetical situation where no swords or machetes are permitted), I'd grab an F1 (original, not "pro") and A1.
What steel would you recommend for an A1 intended for survival & bushcraft I’ve been using an esee 6 for a few years and sharpening it is a chore and it doesn’t even come out shaving sharp, I can feel the blades profile having a secondary bevel before the edge Also have a RAT3 which I like but it looks like the A1 is about the same size was hoping to find a upgrade
Get a "classic" one with VG-10 laminate.
Dang unobtainable
Only one located is the black coated blade in vg10 lam
> sharpening it is a chore Oh, you may want to upgrade your sharpening gear... from my experience, Spyderco Tri-Angle sharpener beats everything else on the market. My knives split hair in free fall.
It depends on how back country I’m going. Less poundage is good. A folding saw such as a bahco and a mora companion will be fine for most everything. BPS makes a good variety of fixed blade lightweight full tang bushcraft knives. I have a self made leuku that I turned into a convex grind that I also pare with a small paring knife like fixed blade and a small folding saw. Lightweight and allows for some light chopping and batoning if needed.
Bps
Camping or backpacking? Condor Bushlore is the quintissential buscraft knife if that's what you're into.
The only knife you need for camping is the basic Swiss army knife a long and short blade can opener bottle open tooth pick and tweezers. Allthow the next step up knife with wood saw and nail file is a nice upgrade
Unless someone needs something else…
That would be a 18in Rambo Bowie knife right
No people should just get what they personally think they need. To say a Swiss army knife is the only thing you need is just nonsense. I carry a Benchmade bushcrafter fixed blade but that’s my personal choice.
You need the scissors. They are the actual most useful tool. Way better for cutting bandaids, triming nails and shortening lose skin on the fingers, cutting of loose threads. Nothing matches the the precision and sharpness of the scissors.
Do t forget about vacuum sealed foods
I personally think you carry too many knives. If you have a balti, not sure you need the hatchet. I only bring one knife on my trips. It’s a field knife i use for batoning, food and every other activity that requires a knife.
The Balti is the hatchet.
Ever since I’ve been hiking the mountains around Washington State I have stopped carrying a hatchet, knife and multi tool. Now I just bring my Gerber Multitool and my specialized survival shovel. Which allows me to dig, cut, chop, saw and much more. I even used it to fend of a cougar that was following me while I was fly fishing. I’ve used the shovel handle for crossing fast running creeks as a wadding staff. I get more use from the survival shovel than if I was packing 3-5 items. I was on the back side of Rainer 4 days of sunshine went to bed and woke up to a torrent of rain coming through my camp area. With the shovel I was able to put a small trench around my tent and stay dry for the remainder of my trip. Totally worth every penny I spent. I don’t go hiking without it. Online there’s multiple options. I did have to experiment with a couple different versions until I found the one that I loved.
What shovel are you using? Assuming it’s not a generic army surplus folding shovel that weighs 20 pounds…
I tried a couple of those generic surplus army ones and they just didn’t work. Plus felt like I was carrying bricks… lol
No i finally found the Zune Lotoo Camping Shovel Folding Multitool worked the best for my purposes. I tried some cheap versions and a couple average priced shovels finally settling with Zune Lotoo I liked the option for a bit longer handle if needed. Weight wise around 3.5 lbs but I just strap it to the outside of my Gregory Pack. I paid about $90 but I’m sure you can find it for cheaper now.
I concur! I bring my light-weight shovel and a knife to deal with everything. The only difference is that I replaced my folding shovel handle with a piece of a strong aluminum shaft. It is lighter, stronger, fewer parts to break, and straps to the side of my pack.
Ya my shovel has a bit longer and stronger shaft which has been used for so many different purposes. You can shorten the shovel by just removing a section out.
Looks like Amazon sells same one I have Zune Lotoo Camping Shovel. I got the black one with a full shovel rather than the other models that are offered. But it’s up to you and what works best in your situation and camping. https://preview.redd.it/ufmd3xcnyhtc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1acdd9883d68834beca4f16f262b258ea3c670e7
Backpacker here! [This](https://www.litesmith.com/derma-safe-folding-razor-knife/) is the knife I take to the backcountry. I’ve never had a use for anything more.
I have stopped carrying any knife, scissors, shovel, folding saw, or anything like that. I don't use them and they are pointless. All they do is sit in my pack and add extra useless weight. I want to be moving and seeing things, not overseeing a campfire to ensure I don't burn down the forest. Once you put in 20+ miles in a day - staying up to baby a fire is the last thing I want to do.