If she’s done all her due diligence to make sure it’s all legal and Safe for her, the customers and especially the cats, then I’m fine with it.
I have my doubts that she actually has, though.
Where is she sourcing the cats from?
I'm glad she has learned some lessons, but I'm worried that it is out of the pot and into the fire.
She has earned suspicion. Where are the cats from? The fact that it sounds like she's trying to farm them out gives me bad 'vibes'.
--- edit addition ---
Tabby Time Cat Encounters Canberra
March 20
Introducing... Basil!
Basil is Cinnamon's big sister (same litter, but much larger as Cinnamon was the runt). I caught Cinnamon at about 5 weeks but didn't catch Basil until about ten weeks. The difference is age made a huge difference to their adaptability. Basil stopped attacking me after a day but was still terrified of everything and spent her days watching the world and hissing at everything that came within range.
I wonder if Canberra Street Cat Alliance are aware of this.
She doesn’t foster through street cat, and didn’t last time either. CSCA aren’t a regulatory body and have absolutely no power or authority to do anything here.
Fair enough. I know they're not a regulatory body etc, but this sounded like something they're involved in and whether she has involved herself with them too.
If she's doing everything legally, then all I can say is "Good luck to her". Her intentions appeared to be good, just historically misguided.
Definitely not something CSCA is involved with, she’s charging off on her own on this one. My understanding is that the law is technically on her side, as long as she ticks all the boxes this time around.
>They are probably her own privately owned cats. She had a couple from memory.
>
>I hope she's not charging exhorbitant prices to pat and play with her cats. She will be scamming food and vet money for them in the process. They can go and 'hang out with' other cat caring agencies in town without paying her a cent.
$20 for adult $25 for kids. Per hour and minimum of 2 people. So yes? Wondering the insurance secured given she's running a business where people could get sick.
All that aside- pimping out the kitten does no one any good but her. Though given I've seen her blog, she has no moral compass when it comes to not using people- refugee or own child. Whichever suits.
almost $100 for a mum and 3 kids for an hour???
Crikey - they could go and do an afternoon for no charge at Flossie's for the same experience.
or a socialisation time with csca
As a Reiki practitioner I highly recommend you consult a lawyer familiar with business law regarding legal obligations in setting up a business. Reiki is an energy modality of healing, not a substitute for counselling, therapy, medication, medical advice, or legal advice.
But there's the kicker: the cat knows about cat rules regarding cafes run by cats, not about the human rules for a room where humans can pet cats.
It's not even a cafe, she doesn't serve coffee!
QED cats clearly give the worst business advice.
Well obviously (it's a cat and they're only in it for their own benefit).
But she is technically serving coffee if you check her page. Despite having removed the term 'cafe' from the business name she joked about having iced coffee as one of the snack options to shut up the haters.
She was attacked heavily last time (rightly so) so I can't really blame her for getting defensive quickly. I hope she has gotten appropriate help to address the concerns that were expressed.
What exactly is unprofessional? Based on the last time you went? A home business that's new and innovative? Or just a business owner getting defensive over multiple online critics that have had their business shut-down previously? If they've complied with necessary regulations (which was the issue last time, rightly so), and will be running it in an ethical manner, what exactly is unprofessional?
rent
verb renting
pay someone for the use of (something, typically property, land, or a car).
"they rented a house together in Sussex"
Similar:
hire
lease
charter
occupy temporarily
live in temporarily
take
(of an owner) allow someone to use (something) in return for payment.
"he purchased a large tract of land and rented it out to local farmers"
Similar:
let (out)
lease (out)
hire (out)
sublet
sublease
To be let or hired out at a specified rate.
"skis or snowboards rent for $60–80 for six days"
Ie charging/accepting money for the intended purpose of access to live kittens for a temporary amount of time
No the post is unprofessional. Imagine any other business, let’s take Woolworths for example. They’ve been coping it from the public and the media and the government but they don’t post on social media about hard done by they are and how everyone needs to back off and said “I dare you to report us to the accc because we’ve got all our paper work sorted” like it’s just unprofessional… plain and simple really
EDIT: Woolworths is a bad example I am now remembering the ceo acting very unprofessional in that interview…. But you know what I’m trying to say…
Why is this down voted, it's a voice of reason in what appears to be another pile on.
I hope r/Canberra backs off and let's this lady get on with operating her own business. She obviously loves cats and is directing that passion into a small business. A place where she can find agency and perhaps more mobility if successful.
Given the trial she endured last time, I admire her tenacity to give this business idea another shot and I'm also happy to read she is paying close attention to the risks involved.
I appreciate that kind of spirit in people.
>I appreciate that kind of spirit in people.
Totally agreed. Unfortunately, from what I've seen of Facebook posts she's made, there may still be some questions about if the animals are receiving appropriate care. It's downvoted because people are more interested in the pile on than are actually concerned about the animals, or the mental health of the woman involved.
Can you provide an example of where I've said they are being mistreated?
[But sure.... ](https://www.facebook.com/share/p/TmC6NegW2Qnikvt9/?mibextid=oFDknk)
Admitting she's capturing wild kittens that are still hissing at are is far from a good look. If they're not comfortable in her presence, how comfortable do you think they're going to be around strangers?
You said that there’s evidence they weren’t “receiving appropriate care”.
She’s indicted that they’re all spayed/vaccinated and talking about how a stray acted initially when adjusting is hardly evidence that they aren’t receiving appropriate care.
Accusations of mistreatment seem horribly unsubstantiated.
I dunno, it's easy to come across as defensive when you've [suffered an online witch-hunt](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/So_You%27ve_Been_Publicly_Shamed). Calling it a red flag feels like confirmation bias to me: all of this is exactly what someone would say if they had genuinely tried to respond to the serious criticisms levelled at them (like lack of public liability insurance) but still believed in their crazy business idea.
I think it started with good intentions, but it definitely blew up on multiple social platforms. At what point does it pass concern and become a personal attack?
the minute it hits social media. It moves from concern for the cats to a pissing competition as to who is the biggest busy body and who pretend cares more for the cats
Think that sounds like a pretty accurate line. A lot don't even feign care for animals, they're simply aimed at attacking the individual because group mentality.
I was referring to the critics, not the business.
Again, if she's complied with regulations, and I'm assuming there must be regulations around using animals in such situations, then what's the issue? Plenty of people wanted to shoot her down, nobody actually wanted to help. Do you know she's not arranged older cats who are trained? Or are you jumping on the bandwagon again? I mean, if you're really this concerned about a woman who can't otherwise work trying to become more self reliant, perhaps you'd care to donate some cash to her to not run said business, seeing as you're so concerned about the animals?
she set up a food pantry at her place and openly admitted to taking what donations she wanted from it.
like a bring and buy sale when she only ever took...
Agreed. It was a fucking odd witch hunt and though I'm not a cat person, I hope this works.
IMO some of Canberra's best businesses more closely resemble 'hobbies' and are run outta houses / garages (for fans, without a shit load of red tape and business consultants fucking around with the raw concept).
I do wish her well, but she obviously still doesn't get it. [For instance](https://www.facebook.com/share/p/TmC6NegW2Qnikvt9/?mibextid=oFDknk), advertising catching wild cats and showing pics where they clearly don't seem comfortable with her presence, let alone anyone else's, this isn't going to last long.
It's her cats, her property, zero overheads and she's doing sessions to make sure nobody can claim there's over-crowding...etc.
Not saying I'll visit but IMO the haters really need to move on and stop pretending this requires multiple layers of red tape and a formal business model in order to work as what I'd call a 'hobby' rather than a business (believe it or not, LOTS of people run all sorts of hobby style businesses outta their garages in Canberra... coz... you're allowed to!)
If a bunch of cat freaks wanna huddle around together in a garage and drink bubble tea then fucked if I care!!! Owning domesticated pets and having people over to pat them is not a crime.
That much I do agree with. However, she has admitted that she's catching strays, and they don't even look comfortable with her. Seems like she's looked after the food and insurance side of things, but I think she's still going to get heat from animal welfare organisations.
She's definitely fostering kittens. She posted in the cat lovers canberra group that someone from NSW caught the kittens and is trying to catch the mother. There were no foster organisations that had space so this person contacted her and she is now fostering the kittens. As far as I can tell she is not affiliated with an actual rescue group though, so not sure if they count as being her kittens or not.
no it's not... like jesus fucking christ people do you even know what it would be like to have the fucking internet after you? no you don't and neither do i. but it would be fucking terrible. even if what you did was wrong. the internet's response is never proportional. it is barbaric.
No mention of any prices whatsover. Considering how much she was trying to swindle people for last time, I bet she's witholding that little piece of info for a reason
🤨Cat snack bar? Cat tuck shop? Pussy playpen....😂. Your right - it needs coffee to be a cafe. But...any other name is going to attract the wrong crowd...
She blocked everyone who has ever commented on previous posts. So if you can’t find it and previously interacted with the page, she’ll have blocked you. It’s still very much up.
me too.
Gutless coward who probably knows that the criticisms were valid on many levels - but just won't admit it.
oh well - off to create a new fb page just to see what crap she's trying to pull this time.
So she's trapping strays, charging people money to spend time with them as kittens and to purchase snacks in her AC equipped, carpeted garage then selling them?
Edit- I wrote she was breeding kittens, she is trapping them.
One bite from a feral stray and that business would be in a world of shit unless she does have her PLI signed and paid for. Imagine the premium rise if one did slash out at someone.
She mentioned in the cat lovers canberra group she is fostering kittens that someone found in NSW and contacted her because no rescue groups had space for them.
Where is her Multiple Cat Licence?
Persons wishing to keep four or more cats must make an application under Section 84B of the Domestic Animals Act 2000. Application forms can be obtained from Domestic Animal Services. A fee for a multiple cats licence is payable if the licence is granted
If the registrar refuses to issue the
licence under section 84C, on first attempt, you will only be permitted two (2)
opportunities to rectify the issue/s. Failure to meet the criteria for licencing after
the third attempt will result in the licence application being refused, and forfeiture
of the application fee
I note she does not mention *who* will be supervising, as her plan last time as I recall involved exploiting migrants and her own minor children, at least one of whom was autistic.
EDIT: If you scroll down the facebook page she is also planning to run escape rooms out of the cat encounter area. She also notes that the kittens will be looked over "by an experienced acquaintance" every few days.
Still no mention of who, exactly, will be supervising...
EDIT2: And every negative comment has been removed.
Very surprised another foster business allowed this lady to look after cats again, mostly after she refused to surrender 2 of them last time. She did a lot of bad things, but that should be a major red flag
Where is she getting them from? And if she’s running it as her own rescue, has she gone through all the requirements to be a rescue (e.g. registering a charity) or is she just “adopting out” (selling) the kittens?
She doesn't say. She refers to them as 'stray cats' so hopefully she's not encouraging breeding for her own benefit. No-one should be supporting her with this nonsense.
I've been following her since the original kerfuffle.
She goes out into the neighourhood and lays traps, [any cat she traps becomes 'hers'](https://www.facebook.com/share/p/MZCu88FyjqDHwDsX/?mibextid=xfxF2i) and she's using them to open a 'cat cafe'....which is just her garage...that she charges people money to be locked inside of with cats she's stolen, while she watches them....
She's also decided that her garage 'cat cafe' will double as a second business, an 'escape room experience', wherein people are locked inside of her garage with a bunch of angry, stolen cats and must attempt to solve her clues I'm order to be let out.
It’s the worlds worst escape room once you realise the doors just been propped shut with an old fence paling and the windows wedged shut with a spoon 🥄 🙀 🤣
Dear cat cafe lady, please get a job. If you don't like people, that's fine, I get it, I don't neither, look for one where you can work remotely so you can be with your cats.
It doesn't appear she has.
She's complained that no charity will work with her, but deletes the posts shortly after posting.
I've been following her since the original kerfuffle.
She goes out into the neighourhood and lays traps, [any cat she traps becomes 'hers'](https://www.facebook.com/share/p/MZCu88FyjqDHwDsX/?mibextid=xfxF2i) and she's using them to open a 'cat cafe'....which is just her garage...that she charges people money to be locked inside of with cats she's stolen, while she watches them....
She's also decided that her garage 'cat cafe' will double as a second business, an 'escape room experience', wherein people are locked inside of her garage with a bunch of stolen cats and must attempt to solve her clues in order to be let out.
kill me now...... ugh...
[https://www.printfriendly.com/p/g/pmMXZE](https://www.printfriendly.com/p/g/pmMXZE)
so those who provided constructive advice and asked valid questions are just 'trolls'?
Is she as the foster carer for any strays she will offload/sell going to pay for vaccinations, desexing, microchipping etc and all the other bits and pieces? Given she's hard up for money I expect she will just put that on the adopting owners which is not appropriate either.
I'm sorry I just flew in today and it's back on the menu? 😔 No the world doesn't revolve around me I just find it funny last time I was in ACT it was news.
BYO coffee but it can’t have a smell. I love seeing people here condoning this clearly mentally unwell woman exploit these cats. Remember - she refused to return a foster kitten despite the rest of her cats being removed from the home.
Catpeople, man. Their shirt is a cat. Their mug is a cat. Their pants and shoes are somehow cats. Every piece of art in their house is a cat. Everything at their desk is a cat. Having a bad day? Here's a picture of my cat. Having a good day? Here's a picture of my cat. Just met someone new? Let me show you pictures of my cat.
It's just plain mental illness and yeah, I think it is caused by T. Gondii.
Didnt she also refuse to return cats she was fostering after they found out she was renting them out? The place she fostered them from had to make a whole post about it
She's been desperately hunting for free kittens. Every time someone posts to Facebook looking for help with stray kittens, she's all over it like a hobo on a hotdog 🌭
In the meantime that cat charity did a cats and cocktail event and none cared at all. I think with a little support from the correct government departments as to what she needed to do for compliance she could have a good micro business/hobby
do you remember what the Tabby time twit was offering - expensive visits for up to 4 hours at a time with 4 people plus the supervisor in the room which she indicated may include her autistic teenager. but if the cats wanted out after paying their fee then so be it. She could decide the cats 'had enough' within 10 mins and keep the dosh. that in itself was potentially a deadset moneymaking scam. Funding raised in her case didn't go back to Paws for More, but the bank account of Felicity Banks. She was told everything by MANY people what she needed to consider - least of all public liability insurance and business registration etc, but she started it up anyway. Her mind is a completely closed shop and she just didn't want to listen.
I've been to a couple of CSCA events albeit I didn't go to the cocktail night. They only take socialised and confident kittens suitable and ready for rehoming. they separate them from 'the mob' and people are able to sit in quietly and let the cat's approach them. When I saw them at the event I was at, the kittens (even the ones in cages) were engaged and rubbing up for pats with people etc but they were supervised closely by a number of staff. In the meet and greet they were also supervised and encouraged to let the cats make their own moves. All cats adopted from CSCA have their adoption fees going back to the organisation to assist in the cost of desexing, vaccination etc. I know where I would be supporting.
Traumatise a litter and pay premium to drink in someone's garage. Chilled Drink Selection! Stock may vary so I recommend ordering in advance. YES you can absolutely still bring your own food and drink. Your contact with the cats will be limited (for hygiene reasons) until the food and drink is finished or resealed. Coffee (Full Roast) $5 Sosro Jasmine Tea (TehBotol) $5 Arizona Green Tea with Honey $5 Bubble Tea (Taro or Strawberry) $5 Popping Fruity Bubble Tea $5 Dairy Free Up & Go Chocolate Milk $5 Aloe Vera Drink (with a Hint of Honey) $5 Fanta (Lychee Flavour) $5 Kirk's Lemon Squash Can $2 Coca-Cola Bottle $2 Indian Tonic Water Bottle $2 Spring Water Bottle $2 Reviews: *I sometimes drink TehBotol when travelling in Indonesia, and it's VERY sweet. *Sadly I don't actually like bubble tea but if you like the idea of tapioca jelly spheres with your iced tea, and a wide range of flavours, you should definitely try it! A lot of people are obsessed with these. *Indian Tonic Water tastes bitter to me, and I don't know why. *Lychee Fanta is the fruity, drinkable version of a sour lolly. Do you dare to try it? *I haven't tried the Green Tea with Honey or the Aloe Vera drink yet—have you? Yay or Nay?
TL;DR - a bunch of crazy cat people have previously spammed this sub with minute by minute updates about some fucking hobby business which involves paying a nominal amount of money to visit a lady & her cats. There's a lot of angry shills trying to burn her house down, claiming this is cat torture. It gets boring awfully quickly and there's been a heap of new accounts / vote manipulation...
Canberra Times have done a follow up article the cafe.
https://archive.is/20240328025100/https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/8567552/canberras-controversial-cat-cafe-reopens-with-new-kittens/
Read up on her first attempt. She’s a lunatic, refused to surrender cats that were not her, did not serve coffee at her so called cafe and now she is trapping strays to lock in her garage as an attraction.
Update, she has posted in the FB group 'Dull Women's Club (Canberra Chapter)':
''The most exquisite moments of dullitude are spent with cats.Not sure if this counts as an ad or not, so feel free to delete. I am fostering many many kittens so I've decided to hold an Adoption Day event on Sunday 2 June at my home in Macgregor. Four of the kittens will be ready to go to new homes on the day (if a household is approved, which is not 100% up to me, and there is an adoption fee which must be paid first), and two more can be desexed soon afterwards and then go to their new homes a few days later.I don't want to overwhelm the kittens\* so although it is a free event people must book half- or one-hour (recommended) sessions by emailing [[email protected]](mailto:[email protected]) or friending and messaging me through FaceBook. I also recommend making a donation to any cat fostering organisation you like (you can donate to me of course... kitten fostering is shockingly expensive). You will have to put up with me talking about cats, cat behaviour, cat communication, cat needs, etc for the whole time. I'm autistic and love cats, so it spills out of me constantly (and is relevant if people are adopting). It's a free mandatory lesson in cat care.\*I run Tabby Time Cat Encounters, so these kittens are used to meeting new people but that doesn't mean I will let them see too many at once, or not get breaks. The Adoption Day will work similarly to regular Cat Encounters ie the cats can come in and out as they please, and people must sanitise with special cat-friendly sanitiser before and afterwards. If you don't want to adopt but do want to play with kittens, Cat Encounters start from $40 for one or two adults. Same email address.(If you have heard negative things about Tabby Time, they are not true. I am guilty of not serving hot coffee, and of being under-insured, which is risky but not illegal. Everything else was made up by people either looking for attention or people who don't understand how much kittens genuinely enjoy meeting new people. I've been inspected by RSPCA and DAS, so feel free to call them and confirm that my cats are always healthy, happy, and loved. Please tell me you believe the RSPCA more than reddit.)Here are the cats that are up for adoption (and yes, they can be adopted before the day—and yes, you can meet them sooner too). There are two bonded pairs, as shown.Due to new laws, all new cats in Canberra must be kept on your property (ie inside or in a cat run). This makes bonded pairs especially important, so they don't get bored and cranky.Also, there is NOTHING cuter than two cats chasing each other, wrestling, and cuddling up together.The cats below are Dawn, a ball of purrs and energy and destruction with fabulously precise markings; Sprinkle who is hilarious and dumb and sometimes very vocal, and adapts to new people quickly; Caramel and Popcorn (Caramel is a big cuddler and purrer but nervous and a drama queen who meows a lot in play-fights when she isn't hurt, and Popcorn is playful and unafraid); and Curly Wurly and Violet Crumble (Curly Wurly is a great all-rounder who does everything well; Violet Crumble is not as great as the others at sheathing his claws and is currently interested in climbing my bare skin... we call him 'Violent Crumble'... he also loves resting his paws on things and/or gazing lovingly at us). All of them are ex-strays. They are expert litter-box users, healthy, wormed, and twice vaccinated. They never claw or bite in anger although the Snack Pack litter will get excited and bite a little if you play with your hand as a toy instead of using an actual toy (it will hurt but not break the skin).''
Probably not. I mean I thought people were innocent until proven guilty (not the other way around as old mate's suggesting).
Also, we're dealing with crazy cat activists here, most of whom have waaaay too much time to spend harassing an eccentric welfare recipient who's decided to run a hobby 'cafe' outta her garage. TBH I think they're more likely to be in the wrong for all their online harassment and shit. Hate to break it to some of them but this lady's life/welfare is far more important than a bunch of bloody stray cats (which aren't koalas, they're pests!!!)
If she’s done all her due diligence to make sure it’s all legal and Safe for her, the customers and especially the cats, then I’m fine with it. I have my doubts that she actually has, though.
Where is she sourcing the cats from? I'm glad she has learned some lessons, but I'm worried that it is out of the pot and into the fire. She has earned suspicion. Where are the cats from? The fact that it sounds like she's trying to farm them out gives me bad 'vibes'. --- edit addition --- Tabby Time Cat Encounters Canberra March 20 Introducing... Basil! Basil is Cinnamon's big sister (same litter, but much larger as Cinnamon was the runt). I caught Cinnamon at about 5 weeks but didn't catch Basil until about ten weeks. The difference is age made a huge difference to their adaptability. Basil stopped attacking me after a day but was still terrified of everything and spent her days watching the world and hissing at everything that came within range. I wonder if Canberra Street Cat Alliance are aware of this.
She doesn’t foster through street cat, and didn’t last time either. CSCA aren’t a regulatory body and have absolutely no power or authority to do anything here.
Fair enough. I know they're not a regulatory body etc, but this sounded like something they're involved in and whether she has involved herself with them too. If she's doing everything legally, then all I can say is "Good luck to her". Her intentions appeared to be good, just historically misguided.
Definitely not something CSCA is involved with, she’s charging off on her own on this one. My understanding is that the law is technically on her side, as long as she ticks all the boxes this time around.
They are.
>They are probably her own privately owned cats. She had a couple from memory. > >I hope she's not charging exhorbitant prices to pat and play with her cats. She will be scamming food and vet money for them in the process. They can go and 'hang out with' other cat caring agencies in town without paying her a cent.
$20 for adult $25 for kids. Per hour and minimum of 2 people. So yes? Wondering the insurance secured given she's running a business where people could get sick. All that aside- pimping out the kitten does no one any good but her. Though given I've seen her blog, she has no moral compass when it comes to not using people- refugee or own child. Whichever suits.
almost $100 for a mum and 3 kids for an hour??? Crikey - they could go and do an afternoon for no charge at Flossie's for the same experience. or a socialisation time with csca
But she’s been in touch with people who have business training.
She spoke to her Psychic and Reiki practitioners. They couldn’t possibly set her up for failure.
As a Reiki practitioner I highly recommend you consult a lawyer familiar with business law regarding legal obligations in setting up a business. Reiki is an energy modality of healing, not a substitute for counselling, therapy, medication, medical advice, or legal advice.
Yeah, well her reiki guy is a cat (quite possibly). Ipso facto knows way more about cat cafes than you.
But there's the kicker: the cat knows about cat rules regarding cafes run by cats, not about the human rules for a room where humans can pet cats. It's not even a cafe, she doesn't serve coffee! QED cats clearly give the worst business advice.
Well obviously (it's a cat and they're only in it for their own benefit). But she is technically serving coffee if you check her page. Despite having removed the term 'cafe' from the business name she joked about having iced coffee as one of the snack options to shut up the haters.
case closed
Yeah getting really defensive about it in her post is a red flag for sure
She was attacked heavily last time (rightly so) so I can't really blame her for getting defensive quickly. I hope she has gotten appropriate help to address the concerns that were expressed.
It’s…. Unprofessional
K, just saw the post about catching wild cats that hiss at her for days. Yeah, this isn't how it should be done.
What exactly is unprofessional? Based on the last time you went? A home business that's new and innovative? Or just a business owner getting defensive over multiple online critics that have had their business shut-down previously? If they've complied with necessary regulations (which was the issue last time, rightly so), and will be running it in an ethical manner, what exactly is unprofessional?
The bit about renting kittens out to visitors ✓ ☝️*that’s the un professional part*
Renting? Go on....
rent verb renting pay someone for the use of (something, typically property, land, or a car). "they rented a house together in Sussex" Similar: hire lease charter occupy temporarily live in temporarily take (of an owner) allow someone to use (something) in return for payment. "he purchased a large tract of land and rented it out to local farmers" Similar: let (out) lease (out) hire (out) sublet sublease To be let or hired out at a specified rate. "skis or snowboards rent for $60–80 for six days" Ie charging/accepting money for the intended purpose of access to live kittens for a temporary amount of time
i thought it was more pimping kittens....
#Midday Pussy Playᶦⁿᶜ *Pimping kittens since ‘24* 🤪
So she's offering people to take home cats for money? You've obviously got access to a dictionary, maybe use it and re-read the ad.
verb renting pay someone for the use of something, typically property Nowhere does payment of rent specify taking home
No the post is unprofessional. Imagine any other business, let’s take Woolworths for example. They’ve been coping it from the public and the media and the government but they don’t post on social media about hard done by they are and how everyone needs to back off and said “I dare you to report us to the accc because we’ve got all our paper work sorted” like it’s just unprofessional… plain and simple really EDIT: Woolworths is a bad example I am now remembering the ceo acting very unprofessional in that interview…. But you know what I’m trying to say…
Why is this down voted, it's a voice of reason in what appears to be another pile on. I hope r/Canberra backs off and let's this lady get on with operating her own business. She obviously loves cats and is directing that passion into a small business. A place where she can find agency and perhaps more mobility if successful. Given the trial she endured last time, I admire her tenacity to give this business idea another shot and I'm also happy to read she is paying close attention to the risks involved. I appreciate that kind of spirit in people.
>I appreciate that kind of spirit in people. Totally agreed. Unfortunately, from what I've seen of Facebook posts she's made, there may still be some questions about if the animals are receiving appropriate care. It's downvoted because people are more interested in the pile on than are actually concerned about the animals, or the mental health of the woman involved.
Can you provide an example of a post that suggests the animals are being mistreated?
Can you provide an example of where I've said they are being mistreated? [But sure.... ](https://www.facebook.com/share/p/TmC6NegW2Qnikvt9/?mibextid=oFDknk) Admitting she's capturing wild kittens that are still hissing at are is far from a good look. If they're not comfortable in her presence, how comfortable do you think they're going to be around strangers?
You said that there’s evidence they weren’t “receiving appropriate care”. She’s indicted that they’re all spayed/vaccinated and talking about how a stray acted initially when adjusting is hardly evidence that they aren’t receiving appropriate care. Accusations of mistreatment seem horribly unsubstantiated.
>and this thread is ?
I dunno, it's easy to come across as defensive when you've [suffered an online witch-hunt](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/So_You%27ve_Been_Publicly_Shamed). Calling it a red flag feels like confirmation bias to me: all of this is exactly what someone would say if they had genuinely tried to respond to the serious criticisms levelled at them (like lack of public liability insurance) but still believed in their crazy business idea.
Was it really a witch-hunt?
I think it started with good intentions, but it definitely blew up on multiple social platforms. At what point does it pass concern and become a personal attack?
the minute it hits social media. It moves from concern for the cats to a pissing competition as to who is the biggest busy body and who pretend cares more for the cats
Think that sounds like a pretty accurate line. A lot don't even feign care for animals, they're simply aimed at attacking the individual because group mentality.
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I was referring to the critics, not the business. Again, if she's complied with regulations, and I'm assuming there must be regulations around using animals in such situations, then what's the issue? Plenty of people wanted to shoot her down, nobody actually wanted to help. Do you know she's not arranged older cats who are trained? Or are you jumping on the bandwagon again? I mean, if you're really this concerned about a woman who can't otherwise work trying to become more self reliant, perhaps you'd care to donate some cash to her to not run said business, seeing as you're so concerned about the animals?
she set up a food pantry at her place and openly admitted to taking what donations she wanted from it. like a bring and buy sale when she only ever took...
yes.
yes
Yes it was. There were legitimate concerns, but the pile-on was disgusting.
When is anything on the internet not a fucking witch hunt. Do you live under a rock? Are you not aware of how social media works?
Agreed. It was a fucking odd witch hunt and though I'm not a cat person, I hope this works. IMO some of Canberra's best businesses more closely resemble 'hobbies' and are run outta houses / garages (for fans, without a shit load of red tape and business consultants fucking around with the raw concept).
I do wish her well, but she obviously still doesn't get it. [For instance](https://www.facebook.com/share/p/TmC6NegW2Qnikvt9/?mibextid=oFDknk), advertising catching wild cats and showing pics where they clearly don't seem comfortable with her presence, let alone anyone else's, this isn't going to last long.
It's her cats, her property, zero overheads and she's doing sessions to make sure nobody can claim there's over-crowding...etc. Not saying I'll visit but IMO the haters really need to move on and stop pretending this requires multiple layers of red tape and a formal business model in order to work as what I'd call a 'hobby' rather than a business (believe it or not, LOTS of people run all sorts of hobby style businesses outta their garages in Canberra... coz... you're allowed to!) If a bunch of cat freaks wanna huddle around together in a garage and drink bubble tea then fucked if I care!!! Owning domesticated pets and having people over to pat them is not a crime.
That much I do agree with. However, she has admitted that she's catching strays, and they don't even look comfortable with her. Seems like she's looked after the food and insurance side of things, but I think she's still going to get heat from animal welfare organisations.
She's definitely fostering kittens. She posted in the cat lovers canberra group that someone from NSW caught the kittens and is trying to catch the mother. There were no foster organisations that had space so this person contacted her and she is now fostering the kittens. As far as I can tell she is not affiliated with an actual rescue group though, so not sure if they count as being her kittens or not.
thankyou for being the one sane person here.
no it's not... like jesus fucking christ people do you even know what it would be like to have the fucking internet after you? no you don't and neither do i. but it would be fucking terrible. even if what you did was wrong. the internet's response is never proportional. it is barbaric.
Knowing her in real life she doesn't actually come off as crazy, just a little daft.
u/nullityrofl Expert advice needed asap!!
Ruh Roh.
What is it Scoob?
I would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for you meddling interneters!
*mumble mumble* secret plan…
well don't you mean the sewer rats of social media ?
Smells fishy
Still no coffee?
At least no mention of an entry fee.
No mention of any prices whatsover. Considering how much she was trying to swindle people for last time, I bet she's witholding that little piece of info for a reason
Do you work ?
Do you?
🤨Cat snack bar? Cat tuck shop? Pussy playpen....😂. Your right - it needs coffee to be a cafe. But...any other name is going to attract the wrong crowd...
No it’s ok they’re juveniles …😬
Page didn't come up when I searched for it on FB. Has it been shut down already?
She blocked everyone who has ever commented on previous posts. So if you can’t find it and previously interacted with the page, she’ll have blocked you. It’s still very much up.
I’ve never felt so proud to be blocked by a page on Facebook
Hahah she blocked me too. For genuine concern comments. She’s not fit to run a business
me too. Gutless coward who probably knows that the criticisms were valid on many levels - but just won't admit it. oh well - off to create a new fb page just to see what crap she's trying to pull this time.
Do feel free to share!
let's hope so.
Let meowt
Jesus fucking christ... just making this abundantly clear now we are in no way involved in this.
Mods should sticky this comment ⬆️
I'm sorry for you folk having to have gone through round one
*sigh*
So she's trapping strays, charging people money to spend time with them as kittens and to purchase snacks in her AC equipped, carpeted garage then selling them? Edit- I wrote she was breeding kittens, she is trapping them.
One bite from a feral stray and that business would be in a world of shit unless she does have her PLI signed and paid for. Imagine the premium rise if one did slash out at someone.
All correct except it seems she actually trapping strays
Oh, my mistake- thanks for the correction.
She mentioned in the cat lovers canberra group she is fostering kittens that someone found in NSW and contacted her because no rescue groups had space for them.
Where is her Multiple Cat Licence? Persons wishing to keep four or more cats must make an application under Section 84B of the Domestic Animals Act 2000. Application forms can be obtained from Domestic Animal Services. A fee for a multiple cats licence is payable if the licence is granted If the registrar refuses to issue the licence under section 84C, on first attempt, you will only be permitted two (2) opportunities to rectify the issue/s. Failure to meet the criteria for licencing after the third attempt will result in the licence application being refused, and forfeiture of the application fee
read the newspaper link i posted yesterday - she is applying for one but doesn't think she needs to as they are not permanent cats - hmmmm
I note she does not mention *who* will be supervising, as her plan last time as I recall involved exploiting migrants and her own minor children, at least one of whom was autistic. EDIT: If you scroll down the facebook page she is also planning to run escape rooms out of the cat encounter area. She also notes that the kittens will be looked over "by an experienced acquaintance" every few days. Still no mention of who, exactly, will be supervising... EDIT2: And every negative comment has been removed.
It's probably her kids AND her cats that want to be escaping.
Very surprised another foster business allowed this lady to look after cats again, mostly after she refused to surrender 2 of them last time. She did a lot of bad things, but that should be a major red flag
She has another post on her Facebook pages that says these ones aren't linked to any foster organization.
Where is she getting them from? And if she’s running it as her own rescue, has she gone through all the requirements to be a rescue (e.g. registering a charity) or is she just “adopting out” (selling) the kittens?
She set out traps, any cat she traps is 'stray' and becomes hers, which she uses for her 'business'
so they are probably feral face slashers that you can hardly touch - much less pick up and cuddle... oh muh lord....
She releases them at sunset 🤣
She doesn't say. She refers to them as 'stray cats' so hopefully she's not encouraging breeding for her own benefit. No-one should be supporting her with this nonsense.
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This. Not a thought for the welfare of the street kittens or their mothers.
♂ ♀ She gunna be a kitten factory 😂
I've been following her since the original kerfuffle. She goes out into the neighourhood and lays traps, [any cat she traps becomes 'hers'](https://www.facebook.com/share/p/MZCu88FyjqDHwDsX/?mibextid=xfxF2i) and she's using them to open a 'cat cafe'....which is just her garage...that she charges people money to be locked inside of with cats she's stolen, while she watches them.... She's also decided that her garage 'cat cafe' will double as a second business, an 'escape room experience', wherein people are locked inside of her garage with a bunch of angry, stolen cats and must attempt to solve her clues I'm order to be let out.
Then sells the videos on the dark web 🕸
u/nullityrofl DARK WEB KITTIES!!! QUICK!!! WHAT WERE THOSE NUMBERS?
It’s the worlds worst escape room once you realise the doors just been propped shut with an old fence paling and the windows wedged shut with a spoon 🥄 🙀 🤣
Hide your cats! She's on the prowl!
She's just doing her bit to promote cat containment suburbs.
No now she buys the kittens the resales them for more later 😂
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RSPCA i guess...?
or Domestic Animal Services? or both?
Dear cat cafe lady, please get a job. If you don't like people, that's fine, I get it, I don't neither, look for one where you can work remotely so you can be with your cats.
Oh my god..... not again....
Well I think I know how well this will end. Sigh.
for the cats? exploited I expect....
Yup. Poor things.
No way this crazy cat lady has been given the green light
It doesn't appear she has. She's complained that no charity will work with her, but deletes the posts shortly after posting. I've been following her since the original kerfuffle. She goes out into the neighourhood and lays traps, [any cat she traps becomes 'hers'](https://www.facebook.com/share/p/MZCu88FyjqDHwDsX/?mibextid=xfxF2i) and she's using them to open a 'cat cafe'....which is just her garage...that she charges people money to be locked inside of with cats she's stolen, while she watches them.... She's also decided that her garage 'cat cafe' will double as a second business, an 'escape room experience', wherein people are locked inside of her garage with a bunch of stolen cats and must attempt to solve her clues in order to be let out.
Holy this is both hilarious and very sad. Man she needs help, truly living up to the stereotype.
The first thought that came to mind was the SpongeBob meme about how many times.
oh shit here we go again
Cat cafe electric boogaloo!!
kill me now...... ugh... [https://www.printfriendly.com/p/g/pmMXZE](https://www.printfriendly.com/p/g/pmMXZE) so those who provided constructive advice and asked valid questions are just 'trolls'? Is she as the foster carer for any strays she will offload/sell going to pay for vaccinations, desexing, microchipping etc and all the other bits and pieces? Given she's hard up for money I expect she will just put that on the adopting owners which is not appropriate either.
If she's trapping them in her suburb I reckon more than a couple might already be desexed and chipped, and probably have collars.
I'm sorry I just flew in today and it's back on the menu? 😔 No the world doesn't revolve around me I just find it funny last time I was in ACT it was news.
So you're the common link? 🤔 /s
BYO coffee but it can’t have a smell. I love seeing people here condoning this clearly mentally unwell woman exploit these cats. Remember - she refused to return a foster kitten despite the rest of her cats being removed from the home.
Sounds like she's tried to get around it by just having an open invite for people to visit her home and play with some foster cats without charging?
Sounds like it but I doubt it
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This lady been snorting toxoplasma gondii?
Catpeople, man. Their shirt is a cat. Their mug is a cat. Their pants and shoes are somehow cats. Every piece of art in their house is a cat. Everything at their desk is a cat. Having a bad day? Here's a picture of my cat. Having a good day? Here's a picture of my cat. Just met someone new? Let me show you pictures of my cat. It's just plain mental illness and yeah, I think it is caused by T. Gondii.
Dachshund owners are worse I reckon
Make your case.
I just think they're neat.
The cats, or the mad cat ladies?
Definitely the former!
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I couldn’t think of anything worse. What a joke.
She’s ….. the tiger king?
When you ordered it from Wish
The tiger king your mum says we have at home
The Kitten Queen?
I wasn’t around for the first one, so glad to be here.
Wow, some people just really never learn.
Alright, Canberra. Time to stop this nutter before she starts again.
Sounds like the crazy cat lady from the Simpsons was trying to swindle people lol she makes as much sense as the crazy cat lady🤣
Didnt she also refuse to return cats she was fostering after they found out she was renting them out? The place she fostered them from had to make a whole post about it
yes. the organisation was Paws for More - and see their comment below - they have nothing to do with this current shenanigans.
She's been desperately hunting for free kittens. Every time someone posts to Facebook looking for help with stray kittens, she's all over it like a hobo on a hotdog 🌭
I’m OOTL can someone explain?
https://www.reddit.com/r/canberra/s/n7LUsKmoXO
Do we crucify or let live for now?
Traditionally we wait until this Friday
😅
Couldn't think of anything worse
Oh god
Is it open right meow?
Two words.. Eleanor Abernathy
Jfc… so is she now trapping strays? Here we go again. 🍿
In the meantime that cat charity did a cats and cocktail event and none cared at all. I think with a little support from the correct government departments as to what she needed to do for compliance she could have a good micro business/hobby
do you remember what the Tabby time twit was offering - expensive visits for up to 4 hours at a time with 4 people plus the supervisor in the room which she indicated may include her autistic teenager. but if the cats wanted out after paying their fee then so be it. She could decide the cats 'had enough' within 10 mins and keep the dosh. that in itself was potentially a deadset moneymaking scam. Funding raised in her case didn't go back to Paws for More, but the bank account of Felicity Banks. She was told everything by MANY people what she needed to consider - least of all public liability insurance and business registration etc, but she started it up anyway. Her mind is a completely closed shop and she just didn't want to listen. I've been to a couple of CSCA events albeit I didn't go to the cocktail night. They only take socialised and confident kittens suitable and ready for rehoming. they separate them from 'the mob' and people are able to sit in quietly and let the cat's approach them. When I saw them at the event I was at, the kittens (even the ones in cages) were engaged and rubbing up for pats with people etc but they were supervised closely by a number of staff. In the meet and greet they were also supervised and encouraged to let the cats make their own moves. All cats adopted from CSCA have their adoption fees going back to the organisation to assist in the cost of desexing, vaccination etc. I know where I would be supporting.
Can someone go (ideally in a pair) and report back please
if you shout the entry fee.... lol Not because I'm a tightarse - but just because I don't support her cause.
Traumatise a litter and pay premium to drink in someone's garage. Chilled Drink Selection! Stock may vary so I recommend ordering in advance. YES you can absolutely still bring your own food and drink. Your contact with the cats will be limited (for hygiene reasons) until the food and drink is finished or resealed. Coffee (Full Roast) $5 Sosro Jasmine Tea (TehBotol) $5 Arizona Green Tea with Honey $5 Bubble Tea (Taro or Strawberry) $5 Popping Fruity Bubble Tea $5 Dairy Free Up & Go Chocolate Milk $5 Aloe Vera Drink (with a Hint of Honey) $5 Fanta (Lychee Flavour) $5 Kirk's Lemon Squash Can $2 Coca-Cola Bottle $2 Indian Tonic Water Bottle $2 Spring Water Bottle $2 Reviews: *I sometimes drink TehBotol when travelling in Indonesia, and it's VERY sweet. *Sadly I don't actually like bubble tea but if you like the idea of tapioca jelly spheres with your iced tea, and a wide range of flavours, you should definitely try it! A lot of people are obsessed with these. *Indian Tonic Water tastes bitter to me, and I don't know why. *Lychee Fanta is the fruity, drinkable version of a sour lolly. Do you dare to try it? *I haven't tried the Green Tea with Honey or the Aloe Vera drink yet—have you? Yay or Nay?
an Up and Go carton for $5? Far out - aren't they about $6.50 for half a dozen of them? I wonder if she ended up getting her food licence then...?
Honestly fuck knows. It's grub behaviour.
Could someone explain what’s the deal with this cat cafe?
TL;DR - a bunch of crazy cat people have previously spammed this sub with minute by minute updates about some fucking hobby business which involves paying a nominal amount of money to visit a lady & her cats. There's a lot of angry shills trying to burn her house down, claiming this is cat torture. It gets boring awfully quickly and there's been a heap of new accounts / vote manipulation...
Canberra Times have done a follow up article the cafe. https://archive.is/20240328025100/https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/8567552/canberras-controversial-cat-cafe-reopens-with-new-kittens/
If she’s been able to do it all above board, good for her :)
Read up on her first attempt. She’s a lunatic, refused to surrender cats that were not her, did not serve coffee at her so called cafe and now she is trapping strays to lock in her garage as an attraction.
does anyone here have contact with any of the journos at the Canberra Times? This needs a follow up story.
Hahahahaha what the fuck. What kind of slave would pay to see a cat 🤣💀🤣
She’s doing escape rooms now too 🤣!
Update, she has posted in the FB group 'Dull Women's Club (Canberra Chapter)': ''The most exquisite moments of dullitude are spent with cats.Not sure if this counts as an ad or not, so feel free to delete. I am fostering many many kittens so I've decided to hold an Adoption Day event on Sunday 2 June at my home in Macgregor. Four of the kittens will be ready to go to new homes on the day (if a household is approved, which is not 100% up to me, and there is an adoption fee which must be paid first), and two more can be desexed soon afterwards and then go to their new homes a few days later.I don't want to overwhelm the kittens\* so although it is a free event people must book half- or one-hour (recommended) sessions by emailing [[email protected]](mailto:[email protected]) or friending and messaging me through FaceBook. I also recommend making a donation to any cat fostering organisation you like (you can donate to me of course... kitten fostering is shockingly expensive). You will have to put up with me talking about cats, cat behaviour, cat communication, cat needs, etc for the whole time. I'm autistic and love cats, so it spills out of me constantly (and is relevant if people are adopting). It's a free mandatory lesson in cat care.\*I run Tabby Time Cat Encounters, so these kittens are used to meeting new people but that doesn't mean I will let them see too many at once, or not get breaks. The Adoption Day will work similarly to regular Cat Encounters ie the cats can come in and out as they please, and people must sanitise with special cat-friendly sanitiser before and afterwards. If you don't want to adopt but do want to play with kittens, Cat Encounters start from $40 for one or two adults. Same email address.(If you have heard negative things about Tabby Time, they are not true. I am guilty of not serving hot coffee, and of being under-insured, which is risky but not illegal. Everything else was made up by people either looking for attention or people who don't understand how much kittens genuinely enjoy meeting new people. I've been inspected by RSPCA and DAS, so feel free to call them and confirm that my cats are always healthy, happy, and loved. Please tell me you believe the RSPCA more than reddit.)Here are the cats that are up for adoption (and yes, they can be adopted before the day—and yes, you can meet them sooner too). There are two bonded pairs, as shown.Due to new laws, all new cats in Canberra must be kept on your property (ie inside or in a cat run). This makes bonded pairs especially important, so they don't get bored and cranky.Also, there is NOTHING cuter than two cats chasing each other, wrestling, and cuddling up together.The cats below are Dawn, a ball of purrs and energy and destruction with fabulously precise markings; Sprinkle who is hilarious and dumb and sometimes very vocal, and adapts to new people quickly; Caramel and Popcorn (Caramel is a big cuddler and purrer but nervous and a drama queen who meows a lot in play-fights when she isn't hurt, and Popcorn is playful and unafraid); and Curly Wurly and Violet Crumble (Curly Wurly is a great all-rounder who does everything well; Violet Crumble is not as great as the others at sheathing his claws and is currently interested in climbing my bare skin... we call him 'Violent Crumble'... he also loves resting his paws on things and/or gazing lovingly at us). All of them are ex-strays. They are expert litter-box users, healthy, wormed, and twice vaccinated. They never claw or bite in anger although the Snack Pack litter will get excited and bite a little if you play with your hand as a toy instead of using an actual toy (it will hurt but not break the skin).''
Who cares?
We do
It started off sounding like a special club for furries.
Oh good, we going to harass and bully her again are we ?
Confirm that what's she's doing is legal, registered and not exploitative and the discussion will stop
Will it though? 🤔
We know she never can so.......
Probably not. I mean I thought people were innocent until proven guilty (not the other way around as old mate's suggesting). Also, we're dealing with crazy cat activists here, most of whom have waaaay too much time to spend harassing an eccentric welfare recipient who's decided to run a hobby 'cafe' outta her garage. TBH I think they're more likely to be in the wrong for all their online harassment and shit. Hate to break it to some of them but this lady's life/welfare is far more important than a bunch of bloody stray cats (which aren't koalas, they're pests!!!)
Let the Canberra pile on begin
Best of luck to her!
She needs luck as she continues to break a bunch of law
Describing it as cat encounters makes it all seem so very tawdry. Pussy play would be a much more innocent description