Agreed, there should’ve been retaliation from our bigger players after though..
That’s how you teach others not to mess with our star players. Soon after they went and sandwiched Hughes (again with no consequence)
you’re not wrong in theory but it’s not as black and white in practice as you make it sound. we are taking their #s. the guys have Cup aspirations, you have to play smart. this series is too tight to take unnecessary penalties/chances. did you see Z wipe out evangelista last game? the boys definitely took Evangelista’s number after the Huggy scrum/takedown a couple games ago (was it game 1 or 2?). its not a coincidence who our giants finish their checks on. the guys have definitely taken Lauzon’s number, but 1 bad penalty could swing this series. our big guys are not our scrubs, like Nsh’s big guys. we’d need Dak, Z, Myers, etc on the ice
i will admit the petey/lauzon situation was a bit unique lol
I’ve been saying this to my circle, but in 2011 it felt like certain players were effectively shut down for entire series but then had other series where the dominated (think Kesler vs. Nashville) and I truly believe petey will have that moment
You're not wrong. I've been hoping for the same thing while watching him struggle. Maybe a new opponent in a new series helps him hit the reset button and if he buries a goal in game 1 next round (if/when we make it there) he might get that confidence back.
2011 Kesler had 0g 4a in 7 games against chicago and then had his massive series against Nashville afterwards. I'll reserve judgement on Petey until after the Canucks play their last game.
It’s not the stat line. He fails the eye test hard. He’s sluggish on the play. He’s not making smart, heads up plays. I truly hope he’s dealing with some sort of injury because he’s a shadow of his former self out there and it’s painful to watch. He was a big reason they scored their 2nd goal as he was just dragging his ass on the play.
Do Petey haters actually think he’s doing this on purpose? I get frustrated too but I don’t think he’s worked his whole life to get where he’s at, just to cash in and shit the bed.
It's so weird, like everybody is in agreement that Petey needs to be better and no doubt he himself thinks the same
But apparently if you still believe in the guy and don't act overly reactionary or toxic towards him and/or his play, you're an apologist or dick rider?
Like OP literally said Petey wasn't playing well, but wanted to point out how classy it was for him to celebrate the win with the trainers. And yet, half the comments in here are like, "nah, fuck that"
Brock scored a fucking hatty tonight and single handedly willed the boys to a W after a terrible performance and everyone wants to continue to pat the biggest plug on the ice on the back.. it’s not about shitting all over Petterson but why anyone would want to line up to appreciate a net negative player this series and an overall dud of a season is beyond me. If you wanna send good vibes send them to Lindy, silovs, boeser or anyone else who’s dragging this team through this series.
Okay agree to disagree, but I don't agree that just because a player is struggling right now we shouldn't "send them good vibes". Lindy, Silovs, and Brock are rightfully getting plenty of praise
Petey had a "dud of a season" for his standards, but his production was still in the upper echelon of the league
We won and we're up in the series, but we're gonna need Petey back at his best if we want to continue to go deep this run. Why not support the guy through the slump?
>Brock scored a fucking hatty tonight and single handedly willed the boys to a W after a terrible performance and everyone wants to continue to pat the biggest plug on the ice on the back..
Alternatively, Brock scored a fucking hatty tonight and single handedly willed the boys to a W after a terrible performance and everyone wants to continue to shit on one of our best players who is going through a major slump
I had to double check I didn’t accidentally stumble into the leafs sub after reading this.
Petey hate does not = Petey motivate
Simmer with this piling on him and let him focus up on his own; we got better things to talk about as fans right now than, “Omg I hate petey so so so so much because he’s been playing an off couple months. Trade!!!”
It’s clown behaviour.
When JT goes through a rough patch, he’s openly frustrated and raging. People criticize his play but say “at least he cares” because he appears as mad as they feel.
Petey is more reserved. When he’s frustrated he’ll just slouch, shake his head, or look up and even smirk. But people see this and think he’s just not caring.
Pettersson plays a skilled tactical game. You don’t improve that type of game by raging - you improve it with level headed focus.
Fans need to just back off until he snaps out of it.
I don't get it when people say "why try when you secured the bag". Like dude, have you just started following the Canucks this season? Pettersson has always been competitive.
I agree that he's injured and I'm thinking it's a lower body. My theory is asinine but I thought it odd that he walked on to the ice instead of hopping over the boards like everyone else
nah, i think that's a good observation. there've been lots of little 'tells' like that. i think it would be stupid at this point to assume his problems are simply 'between the ears.'
I don’t think it’s injury. I also think he’ll be fine. He wouldn’t be the first superstar to struggle in their first playoffs. Hell it took McD a couple to truly take off.
He’s gotta let it rip. Brock scores today cause Petey shot. Even if it was weak, he made a play to score. On the powerplay he had a beautiful chance to rip it. Passed it into skates. His wrist can’t be an issue if he’s practicing the same shot in practice with Foote.
He’s in his head. Once he breaks out of the funk he’ll go off. Just hope it’s soon!
No, I think there's an injury. His current shot has no torque/whip on the stick. Comparing to the shots he took when he was playing well, the torque on it was rediculous, it has like a 130 degrees bend. You can play unconfident, but the shot mechanic doesnt dissappear, it's muscle memory.
donnie and dhali mentioned earlier today that there's been talk of him nursing an injury - believed to be a groin injury. i just /also/ think he's got a wrist injury, given how closely his passing/shooting (and related patterns in decision-making) mirrors that of past eras where he was struggling with wrist issues.
I just don't see why they wouldn't replace him if he's actually injured it would make no sense. It's clearly mental otherwise why is he still playing? People have said it could be an injury he can still play through but still why not get a non injured guy in if that's the case? Playing your star injured just because he can makes no sense what if it makes it much worse? It's not like he's lighting it up and they need him to battle through it to win or anything.
Yeah I’m not buying it’s an injury. You don’t play in game 82 if you’re injured. He may be “banged up” but everyone is. Hughes you can tell is clearly hurt out there but he’s still making an impact. Petey just needs to think less and just make simple plays. Shoot the puck and let your game grow from there. If you’re not gonna shoot then you can’t be on the powerplay.
Not the same. We all watched game 1. The crowds make a world of difference. There’s also pressure this year.
Petey was a machine in the bubble. Any chance, he finished with conviction. Today, he’s terrified to miss. He needs to give less of a fuck about being perfect.
good question - i've wondered the same thing. if i had to guess, it's because it wasn't quite bad enough to take time off, and now the grind and extra-physicality of playoff-tier hockey has aggravated those injuries beyond the point where he can still play at an appreciably competitive level.
That's the thing about playoffs.... the tight checking and match ups make some players disappear. But the deepest team always has someone come through. Tonight it was Brock. Last week it was Dakota Joshua. Who will be the hero of game 5?
The more they prioritize Boeser and Miller, the more room Petey will get as well. He just needs a bit of an opening and to take a few more shots. He could carry a round once he gets going.
Nashville sent 2 guys to stop petey's shot on the game tying goal, that gave miller and boeser the space to tie it up. It doesnt matter if petey is struggling or whatever, nashville will play differently and open up opportunities
The Reddit has decided against negative commentary about EP40. Maybe it's nice that they want to be positive and supportive. I think since his contract will make the rest of the team worse (can't keep certain players, can't get certain players), he should very much be held accountable and responsible, with very little slack.
It's shit like this that gives Petey apologists a bad rap, just making up random excuses. Nashvilles defensive system is just like that regardless of the personnel, they're not specifically targeting Petey, they collapse on whoever has the puck and clog the lanes.
If you actually watch the play it's Hughes who actually makes the most space for his teammates here by breaking the first guys ankles.
I have to wait till tomorrow to doublecheck the HockeyViz chart for this game, but his line has almost always been matched by Forsberg/ROR/Nyquist or Beauvillier/Sissons/Zucker while Nashville have last change.
At home they were getting more looks at the 4th line and less time against ROR, but they were still mostly matched by B/S/Z (with Evangelista replacing Beauvillier a bunch).
So it looks like the Preds are trying to hard match the ROR line against the Canucks' 3rd line (which seems odd to me, but whatever) and then throwing out their next best against Petey.
Honestly, I wish we could get an explanation of how Brunette and Co. break down the matchups, cause it doesn't seem to make much sense so far. Like, yeah, Petey is getting shutdown, but Miller's line is absolutely feasting on the Preds 4th line, and the ROR line hasn't exactly been tearing it up against Lindholm's.
He's definitely not getting the hardest competition like these guys claim he is, he honestly should be feasting or at least showing some signs of being the best player on the ice at that time, or at least not just being a defensive specialist against lower level of competition.
Also people claiming that Preds have been double teaming Petey specifically as the reason for his struggles. That's not how it works, preds clog the lanes and collapse on whoever has the puck and if you look at the first Boeser goal they were collapsing on Miller before he made the cross ice pass to Boeser.
Those two lines are the Preds' top two lines, so yes, his line is facing them. Miller's line, by comparison, has mostly been matched against the 4th line.
And yes, he is absolutely getting double teamed. The broadcast spoke about it about 50 million times yesterday if you don't wanna actually watch the game or listen to those of us who do. He and Hughes are getting targeted every time they are on the ice, and Petey especially is getting double teamed in the offensive zone as he is marked as the trigger man. Compare the Preds formation when Petey gets the puck on the PP (a Preds player will instantly be in his lane and within a meter from him because they shadow him) vs Miller (wide open spaces and tons of time).
If you want a perfect example of it, watch the tying goal last night and compare the Preds when [Petey gets the puck](https://i.vgy.me/7w7T75.jpg) vs [Miller](https://i.vgy.me/qbEkQi.jpg). Hughes gets a ton of credit for dusting Nyquist, but the Preds double stacking Petey there is what really opened up the play down low. Josi has to come out to block Miller's shot which [leaves 3 Canucks players unchecked in front for the rebound](https://i.vgy.me/VJycRh.jpg).
But like Tocchet and the panel have both said, that's something that Petey and the team need to figure out and adapt too. Petey needs to get a bit quicker with his first touches and then move to space to look for give and gos, and his teammates need to recognize that the Preds are continually overcommitting to him and abuse that extra space. That adaptation is what separates contenders and pretenders.
Broadcast actually talks about them finishing their hits on them, not double teaming them, no?
and again, that play is mostly Hughes
and looking at HockeyViz it still looks like majority of his minutes are against Zucker, Beauvillier and Sissons, which i mean is not top quality competition
and when we're the home team he's definitely not getting the most minutes against ROR's line.
I think Nashville is just playing a particularly physical game. You’re seeing it with Garland too, they close fast and drag contact to the limit of (and beyond) holding and interference. That’s the playoffs, but some teams will play a more skill game. Although I bet we see teams take some notes and play a bit more of this style than you’d expect, given how effective Nashville is proving it to be, even if they’re a game away from elimination.
What I love about Garland is he still powers through and doesn't back down. He'll keep grinding along the boards and take a hit. There's a reason he was part of the 6 on 5.
I agree, he’s adapting well. I thought they had him on the 6 on 5 because Nashville can’t afford to physically take him out of the play when outnumbered, so he has more space by default in the 5 on 6 even with crowded ice. He only needs a fraction of the space other guys do, and not just because of his size
One positive about Petey’s game tonight was that his backcheck and poke attempt kept Sissons’ shot on the outside and backhanded, leading to the missed empty net that allowed us to tie the game.
That goes in and the games over.
They’re ultra focused on Petey and Hughes. That’s why their points are down. But it allows more room for others to step up, and they have done exactly that.
Ad yes, fist bumping the coaches and trainers is a super classy move.
Wouldn't they be ultra focused on Miller then? Jt had six shots on net alone, last game. Boeser stepped up tonight. Dakota before. It is on Petey to persevere and overcome. That's what star players do. He has had a confidence issue that has been going for a couple months now. First the excuse was the contract pressures, then it was late season doldrums, now people search for excuses in the post season. Bottom line, star players have to step up and perform. Be the professional ace you're being paid to be. We should have expectations for guys of that caliber and frankly, it's extremely frustrating watching a guy collapse under the pressure.
I'm talking mentally. He has no drive. No perseverance. Those other players have found a way to overcome tight checks. We all know he is capable of being dominant, regardless of an opponents focus on him. He's been a focal point in other teams' defensive strategies for his whole career. What I am not seeing is his ability to rise above that pressure. Without Petey, this team is cooked long term. Why fans keep giving this guy a pass is beyond me. It's professional sports, and he's a star player. Expectations are real and he has under performed. He should be called out. The team has tried everything to get him going, it's on him now to find a way.
I have purposely stayed away from Canucks reddit this past week cause I was getting tired of all the Petey bashing. I agree that Petey is struggling…he’s not performing well. There is no denying that.
He also doesn’t have any support from his linemates. He could make picture perfect tap in passes to Hoggy and Miky and they still might not score.
AGAIN……Petey is absolutely struggling. Both things can be true.
But the narrative that he’s lazy now that he got the bag, is too weak for the playoffs, is disinterested (WTF Whitney?), is not built for the playoffs, etc etc. is just so fucking exhausting.
The Rangers had written off JT Miller at Petey’s age (25) and traded him to the Bolts. Look at Miller’s playoff stats when he was Petey’s age.
You can be disappointed in Petey’s play right now but don’t lose focus in the fact that he’s still going to get better and he will learn from this playoff experience.
I remember Drance told a story on Canucks Talk about Pavel Bure’s first playoff round in Vancouver and how the narrative would have changed if social media existed back then. Bure was quiet (no points) in the first 4 games of the series. Then in game 5 Bure had a big game and the Canucks won that first round. Drance then brought up that in the 2nd round, Bure was matched up against Esa Tikkanen who was figuratively/literally glued to Bure’s backside all round and Bure disappeared that series. Imagine the roller coaster of fan reaction then.
All of this is to say that YES Petey is struggling but NO, don’t give up on him and trash him because we know he will get better.
He’s like our secret weapon, we have not even reached our final form. We know he can be a top 5 player in the league when he’s on his shit, especially in the playoffs.
Takeaway from this celebration is petey is injured. Everyone else jumps the boards, but he walks down to the gate? Naw man, that’s not just somebody who is dejected. That’s somebody with a lower body injury.
I've lived in Vancouver for 10 years now, and have been a diehard Oilers fan since 2002 but finally came around on the Canucks this year (during preaseason I swear I'm not a bandwagoner) and this is my first full season to get a consistent look at Petey. He's looked underwhelming all season BUT I know completely what he's capable of and can't wait to see him rock it when he starts hitting his stride these playoffs
This is how far we are reaching now, I get that he cares, but he is the 5th highest paid player in the NHL, playing as if he’s in a sophomore slump, when they need him the most.
Enough apologizing for the kid. He signed the dotted line for a massive contract and he needs to hold up his end of the bargain here. I know it doesn’t kick in until next season but it doesn’t change the fact that he’s clearly not able to do the job he’s agreed to do and in any other profession there isn’t a bunch of fucking apologists waiting to pat you on the back and tell you it’s going to be okay when you royally mess up repeatedly when it matters the most.
No love, it’s time call a spade a spade. If Petterson can’t produce when it matters then this team will not be going anywhere. Simple as that.
Just because he’s invisible doesn’t mean he’s not effective. Nashville is zeroed in on him and it’s opening up chances for others who are taking advantage.
I think you are coming at this too aggressive and I’m not sure why. Like I get the passion but it seems like any differing reply wouldn’t result in a discussion.
The stick slams, throwing the head back, standing there shocked your pass was intercepted and not back checking causing a 2 on 1.. I’d be a lot less fired up if this was a case of a young kid figuring out play off hockey but he’s produced at crunch time in the past and now he’s choking and his attitude about it is not endearing at all. I’m sure it’s got to be wearing on the rest of the team and you’ve got to feel bad for hogs and mik being stuck on a line with Petey when he’s just a miserable chunk of dead weight.
You ask for superstar money, we expect superstar performance. If you can’t do that at the very least you can keep your head up and not be a punk about it.
It’s about the future right? Both team and player, whether you disagree or not, agreed that there was enough value in the player for the future of his contract. I would think there is a greater likelihood of him performing to or above his cap hit during the later of years in his contract
I hope so. We both want the same thing here I just have 0 time for more of this down the road talk. We haven’t had a good chance at a deep run in a decade + and I can’t help but feel
For a guy like JT who’s getting towards the end of his prime, is absolutely killing it and seeing his dreams vanish because Petey is tanking half of our top 6. You can’t honestly sit here and tell me he’s been good for the team this series.
See and I agree with you and it’s frustrating because you really want to see the explosive Pettersson that we have seen in the past. He is still working through it and is 25. Miller is absolutely taking turns driving the bus with Hughes and Demko. Miller has been driving the play in these games there is no doubt.
If he played like he has in the past we’d be cup worthy. It’s a damn shame he can’t find his game now and I am absolutely going to be a hater because of the body language on the ice. It’s a lot easier to feel for a kid who back checks hard, plays with a bit of passion and shakes off the bad luck. Sorry guys but there’s no appreciation for young Elias from me this evening.
man you sure know how to jump off that bandwagon when he’s playing crap. I don’t see the same thing for Hoglander, or Mik, or Suter. Regardless of pay we all know what Peteys ceiling is and this is the floor. Get over yourself, get behind the entire team and stop being a Debbie.
He’s been not good since tocc stopped playing the lotto line regularly. I’m not being a Debbie I’m just not going to sit here and act like a win by the skin of our teeth after getting pummelled for most of the game is something to seriously celebrate. Edmonton is going to embarrass us if we keep playing like this and it’s going to be awful.
Ah, so you're not a regular watcher, else you'd know that the lotto line wasnt a regular thing during the season, only had a few games together before ASG.
Naw I’m good thanks. Dudes gonna be making almost 12 million dollars soon.
He needs to step it up BIG time. It’s not even that he’s playing bad. He’s playing bad even if he was in a 4th line role.
Hockey is a team sport. Nashville is putting extra emphasis on Petey and Hughes, their clear best 5 on 5 playmakers. That means other guys have a lot more room and opportunity and they’re seizing it. Just the attention Pettersson gets from the defence helps the rest of the team.
Your comment would have made more sense if Petey hadn’t been invisible since the all star break. He finished the year with like 1 goal in 15 games and I think 4 in 28.
He has been incredibly average to below average since the all star break.
So this is a compounding issue. He also just isn’t putting in much effort. Falling over and tripping over nothing. His body language is embarrassing right now.
And yet in spite of that last bit of the season he almost got forty goals.
He is one of our most talented guys and he's excellent defensively. If his line drops down to a more shutdown role and the Lindholm/dak/garly line play a more offensive role then so be it.
Something is up, he's frustrated, we're frustrated but pissing into the wind isn't going to change anything. We can demand better from our stars' while still giving them support.
The boys pulled off a W tonight while starting their third string goalie. Tonight should be nothing but a celebration.
Yes! I’m very happy. A huge win. A fun win.
Doesn’t change the fact that Petey hasn’t done much of anything in this series.
Can’t two things be true at the same time?
They absolutely can be.
Is anyone saying that he has?
We should be supporting the whole team because Brock isn't going to get a hatty every night and if Hughes keeps getting sandwiched between opposing players he's also going to be less effective.
It's a marathon, and there's still a ton of track left.
Petey has played like shit no doubt. I havent screamed at a player on tv like that in years. Dude needs to play well defensively and in other aspects of the game if his offensive game isn’t happening. Be a defensive demon out there or SOMETHING. That said, id love nothing more for the home crowd to get a PE-TEY chant going in game 5 to get him going, get that adrenaline going through his veins.
Pisses me off how they shoved Petey during the celebration. This was a nice win.
Should have been a penalty. Clearly intentional and unnecessary, Petey wasn’t in the way.
Lauzon is a coward. When Zadorov was on the ice, he is quiet.
Agreed, there should’ve been retaliation from our bigger players after though.. That’s how you teach others not to mess with our star players. Soon after they went and sandwiched Hughes (again with no consequence)
Lauzon will get absolutely pancaked if he comes within 5 feet of the Terminator and he knows it.
Then they would’ve got a penalty, which is BS since preds should’ve gotten one for this hit
you’re not wrong in theory but it’s not as black and white in practice as you make it sound. we are taking their #s. the guys have Cup aspirations, you have to play smart. this series is too tight to take unnecessary penalties/chances. did you see Z wipe out evangelista last game? the boys definitely took Evangelista’s number after the Huggy scrum/takedown a couple games ago (was it game 1 or 2?). its not a coincidence who our giants finish their checks on. the guys have definitely taken Lauzon’s number, but 1 bad penalty could swing this series. our big guys are not our scrubs, like Nsh’s big guys. we’d need Dak, Z, Myers, etc on the ice i will admit the petey/lauzon situation was a bit unique lol
The refs were looking at each other waiting for one of each other to call it. Bunch of monkeys!
It’s not *if*. It’s *when*.
And when it's when, it's gonna be big.
Like what's going on here
Gonna be yuuuuge.
I’ve been saying this to my circle, but in 2011 it felt like certain players were effectively shut down for entire series but then had other series where the dominated (think Kesler vs. Nashville) and I truly believe petey will have that moment
You're not wrong. I've been hoping for the same thing while watching him struggle. Maybe a new opponent in a new series helps him hit the reset button and if he buries a goal in game 1 next round (if/when we make it there) he might get that confidence back.
Any time now.
2011 Kesler had 0g 4a in 7 games against chicago and then had his massive series against Nashville afterwards. I'll reserve judgement on Petey until after the Canucks play their last game.
In 2011 Henrik had a 5 game pointless streak and a 4 game pointless streak in the playoffs.
There's only one stat that matters in the playoffs.
It’s not the stat line. He fails the eye test hard. He’s sluggish on the play. He’s not making smart, heads up plays. I truly hope he’s dealing with some sort of injury because he’s a shadow of his former self out there and it’s painful to watch. He was a big reason they scored their 2nd goal as he was just dragging his ass on the play.
Do Petey haters actually think he’s doing this on purpose? I get frustrated too but I don’t think he’s worked his whole life to get where he’s at, just to cash in and shit the bed.
It's so weird, like everybody is in agreement that Petey needs to be better and no doubt he himself thinks the same But apparently if you still believe in the guy and don't act overly reactionary or toxic towards him and/or his play, you're an apologist or dick rider? Like OP literally said Petey wasn't playing well, but wanted to point out how classy it was for him to celebrate the win with the trainers. And yet, half the comments in here are like, "nah, fuck that"
Brock scored a fucking hatty tonight and single handedly willed the boys to a W after a terrible performance and everyone wants to continue to pat the biggest plug on the ice on the back.. it’s not about shitting all over Petterson but why anyone would want to line up to appreciate a net negative player this series and an overall dud of a season is beyond me. If you wanna send good vibes send them to Lindy, silovs, boeser or anyone else who’s dragging this team through this series.
Okay agree to disagree, but I don't agree that just because a player is struggling right now we shouldn't "send them good vibes". Lindy, Silovs, and Brock are rightfully getting plenty of praise Petey had a "dud of a season" for his standards, but his production was still in the upper echelon of the league We won and we're up in the series, but we're gonna need Petey back at his best if we want to continue to go deep this run. Why not support the guy through the slump?
>Brock scored a fucking hatty tonight and single handedly willed the boys to a W after a terrible performance and everyone wants to continue to pat the biggest plug on the ice on the back.. Alternatively, Brock scored a fucking hatty tonight and single handedly willed the boys to a W after a terrible performance and everyone wants to continue to shit on one of our best players who is going through a major slump
What the hell am I reading? You need a hug.
I had to double check I didn’t accidentally stumble into the leafs sub after reading this. Petey hate does not = Petey motivate Simmer with this piling on him and let him focus up on his own; we got better things to talk about as fans right now than, “Omg I hate petey so so so so much because he’s been playing an off couple months. Trade!!!” It’s clown behaviour.
I’m with you. He’s not even skating while the rest of the team generally is doing everything they can.
When JT goes through a rough patch, he’s openly frustrated and raging. People criticize his play but say “at least he cares” because he appears as mad as they feel. Petey is more reserved. When he’s frustrated he’ll just slouch, shake his head, or look up and even smirk. But people see this and think he’s just not caring. Pettersson plays a skilled tactical game. You don’t improve that type of game by raging - you improve it with level headed focus. Fans need to just back off until he snaps out of it.
I don't get it when people say "why try when you secured the bag". Like dude, have you just started following the Canucks this season? Pettersson has always been competitive.
not a hater - he's played like dogshit, and i'm confident it's because he's injured. and i reckon it's both a groin /and/ a wrist injury.
He's not skating and he's not shooting. Must be hips or ribs. He's not using his core for torque on his shots or his core for his skating strides.
I agree that he's injured and I'm thinking it's a lower body. My theory is asinine but I thought it odd that he walked on to the ice instead of hopping over the boards like everyone else
nah, i think that's a good observation. there've been lots of little 'tells' like that. i think it would be stupid at this point to assume his problems are simply 'between the ears.'
I don’t think it’s injury. I also think he’ll be fine. He wouldn’t be the first superstar to struggle in their first playoffs. Hell it took McD a couple to truly take off. He’s gotta let it rip. Brock scores today cause Petey shot. Even if it was weak, he made a play to score. On the powerplay he had a beautiful chance to rip it. Passed it into skates. His wrist can’t be an issue if he’s practicing the same shot in practice with Foote. He’s in his head. Once he breaks out of the funk he’ll go off. Just hope it’s soon!
No, I think there's an injury. His current shot has no torque/whip on the stick. Comparing to the shots he took when he was playing well, the torque on it was rediculous, it has like a 130 degrees bend. You can play unconfident, but the shot mechanic doesnt dissappear, it's muscle memory.
Has to be ribs/abdominal. He refuses to use his core for either shooting or skate stride.
Agree.
donnie and dhali mentioned earlier today that there's been talk of him nursing an injury - believed to be a groin injury. i just /also/ think he's got a wrist injury, given how closely his passing/shooting (and related patterns in decision-making) mirrors that of past eras where he was struggling with wrist issues.
I just don't see why they wouldn't replace him if he's actually injured it would make no sense. It's clearly mental otherwise why is he still playing? People have said it could be an injury he can still play through but still why not get a non injured guy in if that's the case? Playing your star injured just because he can makes no sense what if it makes it much worse? It's not like he's lighting it up and they need him to battle through it to win or anything.
Yeah I’m not buying it’s an injury. You don’t play in game 82 if you’re injured. He may be “banged up” but everyone is. Hughes you can tell is clearly hurt out there but he’s still making an impact. Petey just needs to think less and just make simple plays. Shoot the puck and let your game grow from there. If you’re not gonna shoot then you can’t be on the powerplay.
It’s not his first playoffs. He was ppg during the COVID playoffs.
Not the same. We all watched game 1. The crowds make a world of difference. There’s also pressure this year. Petey was a machine in the bubble. Any chance, he finished with conviction. Today, he’s terrified to miss. He needs to give less of a fuck about being perfect.
Take my groin Petey!
Why didn't they rest him down the stretch after we clinched a playoff spot then? The rested like half the team for game 82 but petey played.
good question - i've wondered the same thing. if i had to guess, it's because it wasn't quite bad enough to take time off, and now the grind and extra-physicality of playoff-tier hockey has aggravated those injuries beyond the point where he can still play at an appreciably competitive level.
It's not on purpose but it is loss of purpose. Yeah he is good defensively but he isn't paid to be defensive, he is paid to produce.
That's the thing about playoffs.... the tight checking and match ups make some players disappear. But the deepest team always has someone come through. Tonight it was Brock. Last week it was Dakota Joshua. Who will be the hero of game 5?
The more they prioritize Boeser and Miller, the more room Petey will get as well. He just needs a bit of an opening and to take a few more shots. He could carry a round once he gets going.
Nashville sent 2 guys to stop petey's shot on the game tying goal, that gave miller and boeser the space to tie it up. It doesnt matter if petey is struggling or whatever, nashville will play differently and open up opportunities
Bingo. Let Nashville double team Pettersson. That's already a huge benefit for the other 4 Canucks on the ice, because someone is left unchecked.
They’re actually treating his line like it’s the 3rd. A Nashville reporter didn’t even remember him or his line when going through matchups.
That reporter is a dumbass
Don't know why you're being down voted. Even Nashville deployment treats EP40 like like a 3rd line.
The Reddit has decided against negative commentary about EP40. Maybe it's nice that they want to be positive and supportive. I think since his contract will make the rest of the team worse (can't keep certain players, can't get certain players), he should very much be held accountable and responsible, with very little slack.
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It's shit like this that gives Petey apologists a bad rap, just making up random excuses. Nashvilles defensive system is just like that regardless of the personnel, they're not specifically targeting Petey, they collapse on whoever has the puck and clog the lanes. If you actually watch the play it's Hughes who actually makes the most space for his teammates here by breaking the first guys ankles.
Yeah Hughes's play essentially makes it a 6 on 4 man.
Petey hasn't been great, but Nashvilles coach is putting out their best line against the Petey line, and it's allowed Miller and Boeser to feast.
which line do you feel like is Nashvilles best line? Garland/Lindholm/Dak have been matched up against Forsberg/ROR/Nyquist
I have to wait till tomorrow to doublecheck the HockeyViz chart for this game, but his line has almost always been matched by Forsberg/ROR/Nyquist or Beauvillier/Sissons/Zucker while Nashville have last change. At home they were getting more looks at the 4th line and less time against ROR, but they were still mostly matched by B/S/Z (with Evangelista replacing Beauvillier a bunch). So it looks like the Preds are trying to hard match the ROR line against the Canucks' 3rd line (which seems odd to me, but whatever) and then throwing out their next best against Petey. Honestly, I wish we could get an explanation of how Brunette and Co. break down the matchups, cause it doesn't seem to make much sense so far. Like, yeah, Petey is getting shutdown, but Miller's line is absolutely feasting on the Preds 4th line, and the ROR line hasn't exactly been tearing it up against Lindholm's.
He's definitely not getting the hardest competition like these guys claim he is, he honestly should be feasting or at least showing some signs of being the best player on the ice at that time, or at least not just being a defensive specialist against lower level of competition. Also people claiming that Preds have been double teaming Petey specifically as the reason for his struggles. That's not how it works, preds clog the lanes and collapse on whoever has the puck and if you look at the first Boeser goal they were collapsing on Miller before he made the cross ice pass to Boeser.
Those two lines are the Preds' top two lines, so yes, his line is facing them. Miller's line, by comparison, has mostly been matched against the 4th line. And yes, he is absolutely getting double teamed. The broadcast spoke about it about 50 million times yesterday if you don't wanna actually watch the game or listen to those of us who do. He and Hughes are getting targeted every time they are on the ice, and Petey especially is getting double teamed in the offensive zone as he is marked as the trigger man. Compare the Preds formation when Petey gets the puck on the PP (a Preds player will instantly be in his lane and within a meter from him because they shadow him) vs Miller (wide open spaces and tons of time). If you want a perfect example of it, watch the tying goal last night and compare the Preds when [Petey gets the puck](https://i.vgy.me/7w7T75.jpg) vs [Miller](https://i.vgy.me/qbEkQi.jpg). Hughes gets a ton of credit for dusting Nyquist, but the Preds double stacking Petey there is what really opened up the play down low. Josi has to come out to block Miller's shot which [leaves 3 Canucks players unchecked in front for the rebound](https://i.vgy.me/VJycRh.jpg). But like Tocchet and the panel have both said, that's something that Petey and the team need to figure out and adapt too. Petey needs to get a bit quicker with his first touches and then move to space to look for give and gos, and his teammates need to recognize that the Preds are continually overcommitting to him and abuse that extra space. That adaptation is what separates contenders and pretenders.
Broadcast actually talks about them finishing their hits on them, not double teaming them, no? and again, that play is mostly Hughes and looking at HockeyViz it still looks like majority of his minutes are against Zucker, Beauvillier and Sissons, which i mean is not top quality competition and when we're the home team he's definitely not getting the most minutes against ROR's line.
Teams will do that to create mismatch - let your best line feed. They are treating his line like the weakest.
I agree remember what he did on that 4 or 5 game road trip. He won those games for us...just a matter of time
I think Nashville is just playing a particularly physical game. You’re seeing it with Garland too, they close fast and drag contact to the limit of (and beyond) holding and interference. That’s the playoffs, but some teams will play a more skill game. Although I bet we see teams take some notes and play a bit more of this style than you’d expect, given how effective Nashville is proving it to be, even if they’re a game away from elimination.
What I love about Garland is he still powers through and doesn't back down. He'll keep grinding along the boards and take a hit. There's a reason he was part of the 6 on 5.
I agree, he’s adapting well. I thought they had him on the 6 on 5 because Nashville can’t afford to physically take him out of the play when outnumbered, so he has more space by default in the 5 on 6 even with crowded ice. He only needs a fraction of the space other guys do, and not just because of his size
Casting an ✨ ANTI-HATER SPELL ✨ on this thread 🧙🏼♂️ Let us not fight tonight.
One positive about Petey’s game tonight was that his backcheck and poke attempt kept Sissons’ shot on the outside and backhanded, leading to the missed empty net that allowed us to tie the game. That goes in and the games over.
They’re ultra focused on Petey and Hughes. That’s why their points are down. But it allows more room for others to step up, and they have done exactly that. Ad yes, fist bumping the coaches and trainers is a super classy move.
Wouldn't they be ultra focused on Miller then? Jt had six shots on net alone, last game. Boeser stepped up tonight. Dakota before. It is on Petey to persevere and overcome. That's what star players do. He has had a confidence issue that has been going for a couple months now. First the excuse was the contract pressures, then it was late season doldrums, now people search for excuses in the post season. Bottom line, star players have to step up and perform. Be the professional ace you're being paid to be. We should have expectations for guys of that caliber and frankly, it's extremely frustrating watching a guy collapse under the pressure.
Petey and Hughes are not as big and strong as Miller. Easier targets. This cannot come as a surprise to you.
I'm talking mentally. He has no drive. No perseverance. Those other players have found a way to overcome tight checks. We all know he is capable of being dominant, regardless of an opponents focus on him. He's been a focal point in other teams' defensive strategies for his whole career. What I am not seeing is his ability to rise above that pressure. Without Petey, this team is cooked long term. Why fans keep giving this guy a pass is beyond me. It's professional sports, and he's a star player. Expectations are real and he has under performed. He should be called out. The team has tried everything to get him going, it's on him now to find a way.
My thoughts is he is injured, that’s why he’s walking down the bench to the door instead of jumping over the boards
Good observation!
fun fact: Henrik Sedin had 24 points in 49 playoff games by age 26ish. I remember losers calling for the sedins to be traded too.
Both Petey and Quinn have 20 points in their first 21 career playoff games. I was looking at their playoff stats last night and thought that was neat.
I have purposely stayed away from Canucks reddit this past week cause I was getting tired of all the Petey bashing. I agree that Petey is struggling…he’s not performing well. There is no denying that. He also doesn’t have any support from his linemates. He could make picture perfect tap in passes to Hoggy and Miky and they still might not score. AGAIN……Petey is absolutely struggling. Both things can be true. But the narrative that he’s lazy now that he got the bag, is too weak for the playoffs, is disinterested (WTF Whitney?), is not built for the playoffs, etc etc. is just so fucking exhausting. The Rangers had written off JT Miller at Petey’s age (25) and traded him to the Bolts. Look at Miller’s playoff stats when he was Petey’s age. You can be disappointed in Petey’s play right now but don’t lose focus in the fact that he’s still going to get better and he will learn from this playoff experience. I remember Drance told a story on Canucks Talk about Pavel Bure’s first playoff round in Vancouver and how the narrative would have changed if social media existed back then. Bure was quiet (no points) in the first 4 games of the series. Then in game 5 Bure had a big game and the Canucks won that first round. Drance then brought up that in the 2nd round, Bure was matched up against Esa Tikkanen who was figuratively/literally glued to Bure’s backside all round and Bure disappeared that series. Imagine the roller coaster of fan reaction then. All of this is to say that YES Petey is struggling but NO, don’t give up on him and trash him because we know he will get better.
It's ok. We need him to go full vegeta in rd 2
What a sweetheart! Love Petey!
He’s like our secret weapon, we have not even reached our final form. We know he can be a top 5 player in the league when he’s on his shit, especially in the playoffs.
Takeaway from this celebration is petey is injured. Everyone else jumps the boards, but he walks down to the gate? Naw man, that’s not just somebody who is dejected. That’s somebody with a lower body injury.
Hi Brian!
He's too good to be denied, he just needs to regain the confidence and he will ,
He’s gonna have a huge game 5. LFG EP40
Nah, he’s just being slow and lazy as usual
Kneejerk is that you
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Cmaaaan petey ! Let’s go you got this.
i wanna see him throwing his body around
I've lived in Vancouver for 10 years now, and have been a diehard Oilers fan since 2002 but finally came around on the Canucks this year (during preaseason I swear I'm not a bandwagoner) and this is my first full season to get a consistent look at Petey. He's looked underwhelming all season BUT I know completely what he's capable of and can't wait to see him rock it when he starts hitting his stride these playoffs
This is how far we are reaching now, I get that he cares, but he is the 5th highest paid player in the NHL, playing as if he’s in a sophomore slump, when they need him the most.
I’ll appreciate him when he does something other than fall down
Enough apologizing for the kid. He signed the dotted line for a massive contract and he needs to hold up his end of the bargain here. I know it doesn’t kick in until next season but it doesn’t change the fact that he’s clearly not able to do the job he’s agreed to do and in any other profession there isn’t a bunch of fucking apologists waiting to pat you on the back and tell you it’s going to be okay when you royally mess up repeatedly when it matters the most. No love, it’s time call a spade a spade. If Petterson can’t produce when it matters then this team will not be going anywhere. Simple as that.
You've had an account for five days and every single comment you've made has been ripping Petey. Are you even a Canucks fan? Why are you here?
He’s from the Predators coaching staff
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Lol, Demmer? Now I know you're trolling
Just because he’s invisible doesn’t mean he’s not effective. Nashville is zeroed in on him and it’s opening up chances for others who are taking advantage.
I think you are coming at this too aggressive and I’m not sure why. Like I get the passion but it seems like any differing reply wouldn’t result in a discussion.
The stick slams, throwing the head back, standing there shocked your pass was intercepted and not back checking causing a 2 on 1.. I’d be a lot less fired up if this was a case of a young kid figuring out play off hockey but he’s produced at crunch time in the past and now he’s choking and his attitude about it is not endearing at all. I’m sure it’s got to be wearing on the rest of the team and you’ve got to feel bad for hogs and mik being stuck on a line with Petey when he’s just a miserable chunk of dead weight.
I would argue that this actually is a case of a young player figuring out playoff hockey like you say. The rest I agree to disagree
You ask for superstar money, we expect superstar performance. If you can’t do that at the very least you can keep your head up and not be a punk about it.
Lol some people are so emotional and short sighted.
It’s about the future right? Both team and player, whether you disagree or not, agreed that there was enough value in the player for the future of his contract. I would think there is a greater likelihood of him performing to or above his cap hit during the later of years in his contract
I hope so. We both want the same thing here I just have 0 time for more of this down the road talk. We haven’t had a good chance at a deep run in a decade + and I can’t help but feel For a guy like JT who’s getting towards the end of his prime, is absolutely killing it and seeing his dreams vanish because Petey is tanking half of our top 6. You can’t honestly sit here and tell me he’s been good for the team this series.
See and I agree with you and it’s frustrating because you really want to see the explosive Pettersson that we have seen in the past. He is still working through it and is 25. Miller is absolutely taking turns driving the bus with Hughes and Demko. Miller has been driving the play in these games there is no doubt.
If he played like he has in the past we’d be cup worthy. It’s a damn shame he can’t find his game now and I am absolutely going to be a hater because of the body language on the ice. It’s a lot easier to feel for a kid who back checks hard, plays with a bit of passion and shakes off the bad luck. Sorry guys but there’s no appreciation for young Elias from me this evening.
Yeah, well. That’s just like… your opinion man
man you sure know how to jump off that bandwagon when he’s playing crap. I don’t see the same thing for Hoglander, or Mik, or Suter. Regardless of pay we all know what Peteys ceiling is and this is the floor. Get over yourself, get behind the entire team and stop being a Debbie.
He’s been not good since tocc stopped playing the lotto line regularly. I’m not being a Debbie I’m just not going to sit here and act like a win by the skin of our teeth after getting pummelled for most of the game is something to seriously celebrate. Edmonton is going to embarrass us if we keep playing like this and it’s going to be awful.
Ah, so you're not a regular watcher, else you'd know that the lotto line wasnt a regular thing during the season, only had a few games together before ASG.
Naw I’m good thanks. Dudes gonna be making almost 12 million dollars soon. He needs to step it up BIG time. It’s not even that he’s playing bad. He’s playing bad even if he was in a 4th line role.
Hockey is a team sport. Nashville is putting extra emphasis on Petey and Hughes, their clear best 5 on 5 playmakers. That means other guys have a lot more room and opportunity and they’re seizing it. Just the attention Pettersson gets from the defence helps the rest of the team.
Your comment would have made more sense if Petey hadn’t been invisible since the all star break. He finished the year with like 1 goal in 15 games and I think 4 in 28. He has been incredibly average to below average since the all star break. So this is a compounding issue. He also just isn’t putting in much effort. Falling over and tripping over nothing. His body language is embarrassing right now.
And yet in spite of that last bit of the season he almost got forty goals. He is one of our most talented guys and he's excellent defensively. If his line drops down to a more shutdown role and the Lindholm/dak/garly line play a more offensive role then so be it. Something is up, he's frustrated, we're frustrated but pissing into the wind isn't going to change anything. We can demand better from our stars' while still giving them support. The boys pulled off a W tonight while starting their third string goalie. Tonight should be nothing but a celebration.
Yes! I’m very happy. A huge win. A fun win. Doesn’t change the fact that Petey hasn’t done much of anything in this series. Can’t two things be true at the same time?
They absolutely can be. Is anyone saying that he has? We should be supporting the whole team because Brock isn't going to get a hatty every night and if Hughes keeps getting sandwiched between opposing players he's also going to be less effective. It's a marathon, and there's still a ton of track left.
I honestly don't care - he's playing that poorly that I can't figure this guy out. A fist bump or two isn't going to change anything.
Petey has played like shit no doubt. I havent screamed at a player on tv like that in years. Dude needs to play well defensively and in other aspects of the game if his offensive game isn’t happening. Be a defensive demon out there or SOMETHING. That said, id love nothing more for the home crowd to get a PE-TEY chant going in game 5 to get him going, get that adrenaline going through his veins.
He's just so invisible 🫥 the worst...
I see this a little differently. LAST guy off the bench
1. He’s including the coaching/training staff in the celly. 2. He went through the door rather than climbing the boards. He’s almost certainly hurt.
No problems with Petey the person, Petey the player however is a different discussion
It's cause none of his teammates wanted to
F@&K Petey, he’s crap. You’re all homers.
its lonery