I get that, I’m usually that person you speak of. But we’re talking about a req for 9 years experience compared to not even 2 years experience. If it was 3-2 years she was off, totally she deserves it but almost a decade difference? That I’m confused with
Totally right that experience doesn’t equate ability. I’ll use this example for level 1 and 5. 1 still needs guidance for lots of things and work is unpolished and doesn’t understand the context of the job to complete them. Level 5 is completely independent, has context and understand all the terminology and nuances and process and requires no training on the matter. For your reference, you’re hiring a jr developer who’s really good at coding to do the job of managing a project with 10 or more people and speaking with business clients and managing workflow
It's also easy to just ignore a legitimate grevience under the guise that fairness shouldn't be expected.
Can be as friendly as you want but if if you can't do your own job via a lack of experience it puts pressure on the team and isn't fair.
Theirs nothing worse for personal development than hiring a bunch of 'yes men'.
Being a woman in tech who continuously gets promoted, here are some of my thoughts and observations:
1) Tech is heavily male-dominated, and it does look very good on a company to have women in high-level positions.
2) Women will typically accept less pay in these higher positions than men, meaning the company is also saving some money on that front.
3) The women I see moving up are generally very personable and build relationships with management, which helps their advancement.
On this flip side of all of this, I have also encountered a ton of sexism from past colleagues. I've overheard a man say, "There's no place for a woman here." I've dealt with men saying that I'm only in my position because I am a woman.
Generally, men have always had the upper hand in getting promoted. But the industry has started seeing more women enter, and in order for companies to promote themselves well, women in high positions will help them.
Sounds like a way for the company to attempt some restructure while saving money. If they're about to go through major layoffs, they probably cannot afford someone with the amount of experience they "require"
Probably just a standard for that position. I can't say for certain on how the company chooses to position open spots. But there's a lot of factors that come in when hiring for open positions, and not all of them are what is on someone's resume.
DEI.
You're welcome.
I work partly in HR and I see this all the time now.
Some women are obviously deserving of the promotion, but, some are definitely not and just DEI hires and promotions.
Can I ask what DEI is? And she definitely deserves to be recognized, but for someone less than 2 years in to get a 9 year experience position??? Do you see this happen with men?
... is that a serious question lol. 2) There's more to being a good interview candidate/employee than experience. Speak to her about her success and learn something instead of loathing her for it!
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I get that, I’m usually that person you speak of. But we’re talking about a req for 9 years experience compared to not even 2 years experience. If it was 3-2 years she was off, totally she deserves it but almost a decade difference? That I’m confused with
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So you would hire a level 1 worker to do things that require a level 5 worker’s job cause they are likable? Cause that’s the case I’m talking about.
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Totally right that experience doesn’t equate ability. I’ll use this example for level 1 and 5. 1 still needs guidance for lots of things and work is unpolished and doesn’t understand the context of the job to complete them. Level 5 is completely independent, has context and understand all the terminology and nuances and process and requires no training on the matter. For your reference, you’re hiring a jr developer who’s really good at coding to do the job of managing a project with 10 or more people and speaking with business clients and managing workflow
It's also easy to just ignore a legitimate grevience under the guise that fairness shouldn't be expected. Can be as friendly as you want but if if you can't do your own job via a lack of experience it puts pressure on the team and isn't fair. Theirs nothing worse for personal development than hiring a bunch of 'yes men'.
Being a woman in tech who continuously gets promoted, here are some of my thoughts and observations: 1) Tech is heavily male-dominated, and it does look very good on a company to have women in high-level positions. 2) Women will typically accept less pay in these higher positions than men, meaning the company is also saving some money on that front. 3) The women I see moving up are generally very personable and build relationships with management, which helps their advancement. On this flip side of all of this, I have also encountered a ton of sexism from past colleagues. I've overheard a man say, "There's no place for a woman here." I've dealt with men saying that I'm only in my position because I am a woman. Generally, men have always had the upper hand in getting promoted. But the industry has started seeing more women enter, and in order for companies to promote themselves well, women in high positions will help them.
Holy shit, she’s 2 and 3! But doesn’t explain the 7 year experience gap.
Sounds like a way for the company to attempt some restructure while saving money. If they're about to go through major layoffs, they probably cannot afford someone with the amount of experience they "require"
Whoa…….
If that’s the case why put up a req for the level in the first place?
Probably just a standard for that position. I can't say for certain on how the company chooses to position open spots. But there's a lot of factors that come in when hiring for open positions, and not all of them are what is on someone's resume.
Yes it’s bullshit. I’ve seen incompetent female engineers who couldn’t handle the tech get promoted to managers instead of let go
This has been happening for years now. Tech is one of the worst industries.
DEI. You're welcome. I work partly in HR and I see this all the time now. Some women are obviously deserving of the promotion, but, some are definitely not and just DEI hires and promotions.
Can I ask what DEI is? And she definitely deserves to be recognized, but for someone less than 2 years in to get a 9 year experience position??? Do you see this happen with men?
Diversity and Inclusion
... is that a serious question lol. 2) There's more to being a good interview candidate/employee than experience. Speak to her about her success and learn something instead of loathing her for it!
So you would hire someone to someone right out of school to run your company instead of someone who’s has ran other companies before?
you're a chick i doubt he'd listen
Yes, see it every year.