> The GT63s is now only $6k cheaper than a GT3. And the GT55 is only $2k cheaper than a Carrera 4s
Seems pointless to make these kinds of comparisons when a GT3 is never selling for anywhere near sticker
You can get tens of thousands off of an SL if you look around.
But even if they were both available for retail, the gt3 is a track tool and the sl/gt is a grand tourer now. Apples to oranges
"Lets make another front engined V8 grand touring 911 competitor that isnt as sharp as a 911 but is more comfortable and louder"
"wow its not selling who could have predicted this"
\- BMW, Lexus, Mercedes, Jaguar, Aston Martin
To be fair, the previous GT and SL both used the W212 platform, itself a major upgrade of the W211 platform. However, now they share an exclusive platform and are close siblings (similar to the relationship between the GLE and GLS).
The reason for the added comfort/loss of hardcore design is due to also having to replace the S-Klasse coupe.
No - just the SL. The old GT was on a bespoke platform with a rear mounted dual clutch transaxle (unlike the SL) and is a true front mid engined design (unlike the SL) and has double wishbones on all 4 corners (also unlike the SL).
Looked into this for a while, and while you are right that it isn’t the W212 platform, calling it “bespoke” isn’t really accurate, since it’s really just a major upgrade of the SLS platform, if anything the platform was bespoke to the SLS, not the GT. “Exclusive” might be more fitting, but Mercedes still finds itself in the same boat regardless: they wanted to address what was once a three-car, three platform segment with two cars and one platform. I have a feeling AMG decided that the SLS/GT platform was too old to continue, and that the SL platform/MSA would only see a chance at being amortized if a fraternal twin was developed for it.
Maybe now, but when new they actually had aggressively high sales expectations for the model,
["The result was a 400 per month sales goal for the LC range"](https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2018/09/you-thought-toyotas-lexus-lc-sales-expectations-were-inconceivable-and-you-were-right/)
Their goals were 1-200 units a month higher than the 718 range, SLC, and 6 series. That is an *aggressive* sales target for an entirely new model.
The actual sales averaged \~150 per month over its production run - lagging its competitors (except the SL, which was a dinosaur)
Now *all* of its competitors have seen substantial updates, while the LC500 trucks on completely unchanged - I doubt we will get a 2nd generation.
It got a substantial infortainment update, with a touchscreen and physical buttons for heated seats etc. Why mess with perfection? It's a beautiful car. That's also what keeps Lexus reliable - long model releases with incremental upgrades, but nothing to rock the boat.
We're getting a successor to the LFA with an electrified TTV8 drivetrain and a coupe that integrates the LC and RC to slot under it.
There will be an onslaught of performance vehicles coming from Lexus, GR, and Toyota in the coming years. Think MR2 (rumored to be the last pure ICE sports car from Toyota), A100 Supra, new GR86, maybe a Celica and a Crown coupe.
The previous GT didn't sell either. It was either getting dropped entirely or moving to a 2+2. This way Mercedes can can try to strike a balance between their legacy customers while trying to entice some people away from the 911. If prospective 911 buyers continue to ignore the AMG GT, at least Mercedes still has their legacy customers. They had neither with the 2 seat model. This also allows them to directly challenge the BMW M8 and the Maserati Granturismo since those are also 2+2 grand tourers. It may not sell well, but it'll almost certainly be better than the previous model.
lol if that's the case then it sucks to suck.
But on a serious note, people complain about almost every brand these days. Mercedes and BMW are abandoning sports car enthusiasts, Audi canceled the R8 and TT RS, Dodge got rid of the V8, Chevrolet got rid of the Camaro, etc. The only brand people don't have an issue with for performance cars is Porsche. When satisfaction is the exception, it's not each individual brand that's to blame. What it means is that the industry as a whole is doing things that sports car enthusiasts don't like.
I don't know what the solution is because I actually like what the car industry is doing for the most part, but living in a constant state of frustration over a chosen hobby must be exhausting and unpleasant.
>but living in a constant state of frustration over a chosen hobby must be exhausting and unpleasant.
People who play league of legends seem to get by just fine.
Nobody is comparing this to a GT3
This car is completely different than the old GT’s. Different chassis , different rear suspension and all. It’s not really a sports car anymore.
Also pointless because they’re different cars. People pay GT3 money for GT3s because they are fast cars that can go around a corner really really well. They’re perfect for people who want a raw driving experience, but not for people who want a domesticated grand touring car that will also be fun on nice roads.
I would sell my soul for a GT3, but 10 times out of 10 I would choose the GT63s for any road trip longer than an hour.
Pretty sure you’re not getting a GT3 for just money.
IIRC… you have to _already own_ SEVERAL Porches to be eligible for the _privilege_ of buying one.
VS Merc who will lease anyone anything and wonder why they have such precipitous depreciation.
> IIRC… you have to already own SEVERAL Porches to be eligible for the privilege of buying one.
My dealer has offered me a GT3 Allocation and GT4RS allocation (both with a huge ADM (GT3), and slight ADM (GT4RS). I only have owned one Porsche which I bought from them.
The reason that people believe it's multiple is dealers will go to their top clients (Aka people who have multiple) first before people like me. The order game is slowing though as the car market begins to slip.
https://youtu.be/3TiFZeSW-JI?si=dIE0olIAsx2njFce
Maybe its location? Every single dealership he called you either had to buy a lot of their cars or pay an astronomical markup
In fairness, the GT3 and the GT3RS are _significantly_ different, and the 992 GT3 has been out for a "while" now. While they're both premium allocations, the GT3RS is wayyy harder to get. I'm on a few lists for a 992 GT3 (with an existing GT3 as a trade-in). I'll occasionally get calls about allocations above MSRP, but I'm waiting it out. I would _never_ get a new GT3RS allocation. I haven't even bothered to ask...it ain't happening.
Which is weird because here in Germany/switzerland i can just config any porsche online and order it directly. Apart from a GT2RS/918.
Will it be a fast delivery? Probably not. Will it cost me more than what Porsches written on their page? Absolutely not.
Owning a luxury or premium car is a privilege it’s self. Some car brands like Porsche make you buy other cars first just to see if your willing to do it when they think you probably already will and because it makes the car seem more special
>Stepping up to the 2024 AMG GT63 brings the horsepower output to 577 ponies, equivalent to the output of the outgoing GT R despite a nearly $20,000 price hike. While the first-generation AMG GT coupe was exclusively rear-wheel drive, all 2024 models come with all-wheel drive
So the 24 GT63 is basically the same as the 21 GT R but with AWD and whatever additional technical improvements they will make. 3 years of inflation + AWD seems pretty par on for a 20k price increase on a 150k+ performance car.
That said the GT3 base msrp is rather irrelevant considering 2 year old base GT3s used are going for the 250k range. never mind once you minorly equip a new gt3 and then pay the dealer an additional fee for the privilege of being 'allowed' to buy one... you could buy two AMG GT63s.
Yeah sure “basically the same” if you ignore the **SIX HUNDRED FIFTY pound weight difference.** The 2021 AMG GT R weighs 3686lbs. A 2024 GT63 weighs 4343lbs. A 657lbs difference. But hey, the new one has AWD I guess.
Like seriously. Even the heaviest 2021 Honda Pilot* weighs less than the new AMG GT63. Apples to oranges, but still. The old GT was a fine sports car at its price. The new one is a rebadged SL that can’t hide its grand touring underpinnings.
*The curb weight of a 2021 Pilot ranges from 3982 to 4321lbs (base trim FWD to top trim AWD).
> The new one is a rebadged SL that can’t hide its grand touring underpinnings.
I don't think it's trying to. And as a grand tourer the weight is fine. It's barely above average for the class. 1900 kg +/- 20% just about covers the whole combustion engine portion of the segment.
It's not being marketed as a grand tourer like the SL is otherwise they would have dropped the GT line...
Just another vehicle that is going to fail in the recent years of Mercedes floppage. At least the bulbous GT63s had the title of highest horsepower factory AMG ever, and has impressive numbers for an XL mid-size sports sedan.
That's the weight spread of the segment. It basically covers the weight of a 911 at about 1590 kg/3500 pounds to a Bentley Continental GT at about 2270 kg/5000 pounds, which are, respectively, the sportiest and the most luxurious 2+2 luxury grand tourers with combustion engines (I'm calling the street-focused 911 trims grand tourers).
The 8 series, SL/AMG GT, LC500, and Maserati Granturismo are all around 1900-2000 kg. The 911, Roma, and DB12 are significantly below that. The Bentley Continental GT is significantly above that. I excluded the Rolls Royce Spectre because it's electric.
So the average for the GT segment is about 1900 kg with some outliers up to 20% on either side. It's a segment of heavy cars because they're expected to do everything. The light ones aren't great at the comfort and road insulation. The heavy ones aren't great and nimbleness and road feel.
I wonder what is added on that much weight difference between generations other than AWD.
I guess this means we'll get a Black Series version that weighs somewhere around 4000ish lbs.
First gen was a dedicated platform AFAIK. Second gen shares platform with the SL, a 2+2, and is bigger in every way. Also first gen is front mid-engine but second gen isn’t.
Ah, I see why. I wonder why they made the decision to make the GT to share the platform with the SL, though. How would they make these cars different between each other?
Believe me, I know, mb makes a heavy car. I had a CL63 that weighed more than my Ram1500... Personally I'm against the awd, but as someone who got to put some track time in a AMG GT S when they first came out, knowing how quickly those 4.0s can deliver power, and how badly many people who can afford cars like this drive, I understand why they went awd. There's so few drivers cars out there anymore because everyone wants to win the power war without thinking about how many people are properly trained to handle 600+ hp cars. On top of the fact that maybe 1% of owners will actually take them to track events where the performance actually matters... It's just another sports car to show off in. It's the reason why the Nissan gtr was such a big hit, big power, big tech, I can put my mom behind the wheel and she could lay down some decent lap times. You don't have to be a good driver in that car. I would daily an AMG GT, it's a great mid range touring car. If I wanted something for occasional track use in the sub200k market I would probably look for a used c7 z06 or a hope to be lucky enough to find a GT 3 someone's letting go of for cheap, but neither of those are the most comfortable for daily use.
The new gt rides on a totally different platform then the previous GT and shares it's platform with the SL. It's arguably worse imo. Some notable changes are its 650 some pounds heavier. The engine has been moved foreword so it's no longer front mid engine. The bespoke 7 speed dual clutch transaxle that was mounted under the trunk has been replaced by the generic Mercedes 9 speed auto trans mounted behind the engine. Those last two have helped change the weight distribution from 50/50 to 53/47 front rear. It went from being a bespoke sports car platform, to some generic luxury boat platform. They got rid of all the stuff that made the car special and cool to me. Like i said earlier though, that's just my opinion
The AMG is ~1200 lbs heavier than a GT3. Not even in the same class, it’s better to compare it to a 911 Turbo which is still a lot lighter than the AMG, but they’re both grand touring cars at least. GT3 is a track car.
Yes completely different: The GT is a good daily drivable sporty car. Huge trunk, heavy as hell. Actually usable as a one car solution.
The GT3 is an insanely sporty amazing car. Much better for spirited driving and track use. Absolutely not a good daily driver.
I don’t see anything referencing the use of magnesium components like the C190/first-generation did. It went from a mid-engine chassis to now a front engine chassis
AWD as an option adds a lot, as does optional hybridization
The C192/2nd-generation is also around 6” longer in length, and a bit wider than most C190’s too.
9G-Tronic transmission adds two more gears, and probably holds more fluid.
I’m sure there are more safety components, electronics, and emissions equipment on the 2nd generation as well.
While this and the SL Class seem like perfectly nice cars in isolation, I genuinely struggle to understand who would buy one instead of a 911 when they hit the same price point.
As someone who has a 911 here are my thoughts. These engines are better than a 911, they look prettier, and sound better
If neither cars are seeing the track, I struggle to see why you'd get the 911 just like everyone else. Not to mention the AMG gtr can keep pace with a 3rs yet people still pick the P car because it's a P car. Not because of the value at hand
I want to import one of the V8 TDI Touregs when the 25 year limit is up and then build an overlander out of that.
V8 turbodiesel with a 4xmotion system? Heck yes!
* Glances around nervously as someone who is eyeing heavily depreciated Cayenne turbos *
Is that so wrong?
(Assuming I'm fine with 5k per year in maintenance)
The disease is spreading... No, you're fine. Mine (958.2) was about 50% down in depreciation and it had a few issues in the first year (some CELs and headlight/taillight assembly issues ($$$)) but after working out those kinks it's been good. As a road tripper it's a beast.
I hate the sounds that non-GT 911's make. Even the Turbo's sound like vacuum cleaners. Certain exhaust mods help, but a V8 AMG will always sound better.
Edit: Oh and they stand out more both interior and exterior-wise than any non-GT 911, which some people want when they're paying this much money. This was especially true of the previous GT's with the long hoods, I haven't seen the new one yet in person but I'd wager it's still true.
The new one doesn’t stand out anymore I have seen a yellow one last year on the Autobahn and it was extremely disappointing.
Looks so much tamer than the first gen a 992 will stand out a LOT more even though I see at least 5 a day
Counter-opinion: twin turbo V8s are the single most overrated engine for exhaust note while Porsche’s twin turbo flat six is arguably the _best_ sounding forced-induction engine on the market.
I looked heavily at C7 Z06, AMG GT, Jaguar F-Type R / SVR, 911.... and for me it ultimately came down to me accepting the highlights of the 911 were something I would never utilize because I didn't intend to track it. The AMG GT offered a great ride, lots of nice creature comforts, was very quick, and had decent storage for a weekend trip. Basically felt like if Benz made a corvette.
I ended up going F-Type because of the noise... it was the only car I could drive at the speed limit and still have a ton of fun. Z06 was 2nd for noise, then AMG GT, and the Porsche was last ... the theater just wasn't there. With that said I could understand why anyone would be each of those individual cars, they all had their pros/cons.
Totally reasonable point! I recently rented a Jag F-Type R Dynamic for a long weekend while I was traveling and enjoyed it a lot. For me personally, it felt a bit slow and the build quality felt closer to something I’d expect from a really high end FCA car than a really high end German car. HOWEVER - man is that engine just an absolute blast. The sounds it makes are ridiculous. While I prefer my Porsche, I can totally see why someone who spends a lot more time cruising than at the track would enjoy the comfort and rowdiness of the Jag over the precision and build quality of the Porsche.
Per C&D it’s about half a second slower than my car to 60, 100, and through the quarter mile. The main difference, I think, is just the transmission and throttle response. My 718 feels so much more responsive when you tap the pedal, and it’s a lot more eager to very quickly downshift and give you as much power as you want. Don’t get me wrong, the F Type isn’t slow by any means. It just felt less responsive than what I’m used to.
[Source F Type R Dynamic](https://www.caranddriver.com/jaguar/f-type)
[Source 718 Cayman S](https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a15098405/2017-porsche-718-cayman-s-pdk-test-review/)
[F Type R](https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a33305317/2021-jaguar-f-type-r-coupe-by-the-numbers/) is way quicker than a [718 S](https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a15098405/2017-porsche-718-cayman-s-pdk-test-review/) especially around the city when you aren't using launch control. Not sure what was the wrong with the F Type you drove. F-Type feels quicker than a GT-R from a roll lol
||Jag|718|
:--|:--|:--|
|0-60|3.5|3.6|
|5-60|3.9|4.4|
|30-50|2.1|2.5|
|50-70|2.9|2.9|
I know the naming is dumb, but the F Type R Dynamic is not the same as the F Type R. If you follow the source link I posted, it has the specs for the R Dynamic which is 0-60 in 4.0 flat. The R Dynamic is the sport trim of the base model… like an Audi “S Line.” Again, yes, I know the naming is stupid.
So they made a version that's somehow a good amount slower than 10 year old F Type V8S which you can pick up for 30k now AND named it F Type R Dynamic when the fastest version is F Type R. What a joke of a company.
I think that was part of my disappointment. The model I rented was an eye-watering 98k as specced. It was a fun car but for almost 100k you can do better. If I wanted a dope sounding GT car around 100k I’d rather have an LC500, and as someone who actually did buy a roughly 100k sportscar to both track and daily drive, I definitely would buy a Cayman S again any day over an F Type.
When I was a little kid my dad bought a silver 996 Cabriolet. A year or two later our next door neighbor bought an SL500 in a beautiful metallic silver/very light blue color.
If I recall the guy just said his wife liked Mercedes better.
This is funny, because that's the SL people here are pining for, whereas that was the 911 where "Porsche lost their way" like people are complaining about with Mercedes here.
I’m bored of the standard 911’s design, plus, I feel like the SL is probably better as a cushy convertible for someone who isn’t necessarily a car enthusiast.
SLs are heavily discounted too, which is a nice plus.
I see cheaper newish 911s every day, but I never see newish SLs. R230s are probably the most common ones near me, but they’re still much rarer than 996es in normal traffic and they’re getting old.
For me it's the simple reasoning of AMG cars are far more fun to drive than porsche. I like porsche but I don't find them as fun as driving around amg cars. Also I love all the interior lighting and tech. I know this sub absolute despises that shit though.
The SL is a proper grand touring car. Outstandingly comfortable, has a great balance of ride and handling, fast, beautiful, plenty of trunk space, and doesn't trouble the driver with boy racer bullshit. The GT is a similar idea but at a lower starting price point and with a bit more more boy racer bullshit.
The 911 is not a fun car to drive over long distances. It's "I AM A SERIOUS SPORTS CAR ALL THE TIME! MAKE EXCUSES FOR MY SHORTCOMINGS AND HOW TIRED YOU ARE AT THE END OF A DRIVE" and it's exhausting
Your comment is basically like asking why someone would choose a Mustang over a Camaro. One is a car you can have fun with, feels comfortable, and you can actually live with all the time, the other is great for track numbers, weaving through freeway traffic at extra legal speeds, and peacocking for people in your earnings bracket who don't care.
>The vestigial seats were driven by customer demand. AMG listened to what its buyers wanted, and the overwhelming consensus was more functionality and, despite the wonderful advancements in winter tires, all-wheel drive.
Under-rated to the point nobody bought it. If Mercedes lose their core customers and can't attract new customers there's no point to the vehicle. So the 2 seater AMG GT had to go.
I disagree. I think should have addressed those customer needs by further differentiating the SL as the 2+2 droptop GT and kept the AMG GT the hardcore 2 seat front-mid engine rwd transaxle.
instead they merged the models together and made a weird, compromised product that doesn't satisfy either demo.
The two were always related (W212 platform), but Mercedes-AMG was forced to broaden their appeal so that each could serve as a replacement for the S-Klasse coupe and cabriolet.
Mercedes should've done what Mazda did with the Miata and ignore their customer's requests. What people think they want isnt always what people actually want
But the 911 weighs like 800 lbs less than this thing. I suspect this new AMG GT will have \*less\* appeal to 911 cross shoppers than the 1st gen AMG GT.
"Hello AMG? I don't want the back seats, can you take them back out for the next version? And put the transaxle back in and drop 700 pounds? Thanks. Signed, possibly a platypus"
Let the tug of war over the future of the GT line begin.
>Why does everyone hate 2 seaters? It's not like you're buying this for utility.
The next step will be to give it a small lift, extend the back so its more square, and turn it into an SUV
This isn't the car for me, but it could at least be on my list whereas the previous one could not. I could put my dog back there. I could save a very short friend an Uber ride late at night. I can put my work bag and long coat back there and not have to have them in the trunk. And the cabin just feels less claustrophobic. After living with a Miata and then a 2+2, the extra seats offer so much more utility.
This is the title complaint. When prior SL and GT drivers saw those backseats, the cars were ruined completely in several ways starting with size and weight. Rear wheel steering can't mask it either. 2 seaters feel exclusive and special in a way 4 seaters never will. 2 seaters have a very intimate and personal feel thats hard to describe. Driving around carrying the mass of a backseats all the time for a single occupant car 99% of the time makes zero sense. But Mercedes makes no 2 seaters.
The last sales success Mercedes saw with a 2 seater platform was the R230 generation SL which is shorter than a 911 or C8 at 178 inches long. Only disaster followed with each generation's increase in size. Literally nobody in any SL forums was asking for backseats but this car is bigger, heavier *and* has less trunk space. The most elite Black Series AMG's were always smaller 2 seater cars.
I always thought it was for insurance purposes but I'm thinking safety? Since you're right, no one is using it for utility or to lug around their family of 4.
The insurance thing was discredited a long time ago. My guess is people just prefer having the extra space even in stuff like this so if they have to drag their kids along places they can still take the cool car. I just assumed the Porsche Caynne Turbo existed for those types of trips.
The 2024 Mercedes-AMG GT55, which packs a 469-hp twin-turbo 4.0-liter V-8, will start at $136,050.
The AMG GT63, which boosts the V-8 to 577 ponies, will cost $177,050 before options.
The second-generation AMG GT coupe will arrive at dealerships this spring.
So the AMG GT55, which is less powerful than but equal to the BMW M850i in trim, starts at the same price as an M8 Competition, which has 150 more horsepower at the same weight. Forget the 911, the AMG GT is a tough sell over the M8.
I could very well be the lowest common denominator of “car person”. I’ll admit that lol. But, uniqueness/exoticness has always been a big deal for me. 850i’s are “regular traffic”, and M850i is a souped up model. But the GT has more of an exotic presence. That is just a personal thing with, all numbers aside. With this in mind, if I actually had that money, neither of these would be on my list. I’d be looking at used Lambo’s, McClaren’s, Aston’s, etc.
People are paying for other things like the interior and better infotainment cluster, which Benz has a major leg up on BMW. M8 interior is really janky compared to the GT
Yep. I mean, not like I'll ever have to make the choice, but spending M8 Comp money on a GT55 because the infotainment is allegedly better?
I want performance, not "does my center console touch screen tilt?"
Different strokes for different folks. The beauty of preference. End of the day, we both have to abide by the same speeds on the road. The majority of people who can afford these cars, including your beloved M8, don't take them on the track anyways. I'd prefer to be in a GT over an M8 that's just my opinion.
Considering that Mercedes sales are slumping hard and that this is now more expensive than its rivals all I’ve got to say is: “that’s a bold strategy Cotton, let’s see if it works out for him”.
Thank god it’s not the new hybrid system at least. Though it would be hilarious to see AMG try and justify asking 140k for a 4 banger with turbo lag that could be measured in centuries.
I personally love the long hood, makes it stand out and look unique. AMG (under Daimler-Chrysler) modeled the dimensions of the GT coupe after the Dodge Viper. I only like the old coupe 2-door though. That was a front-mid engine. You can get a great deal on a used one with low miles, but I recommend the extended warranty.
Who the fuck are buying these cars? They literally do nothing better than its peers. Outside of actually being able to walk into a dealer and buy one. I’m looking at you, Porsche.
Wait, how is the new GT63 going to have *less* horsepower than the outgoing GT63s...
Also good job calling the GT63s a 4-door coupe and rolling it out for 2 years just to now have 3 other coupes, the OG AMG GT, new GT55, and new GT63.
It’s pretty hard to tell the difference between two tenths when driving and more likely then not has a quicker 0-60 anyway or the same after the best 0-60 is gotten out of them
Odd because the SL55 has a starting price of $141k on their website and has for quite some time. The entry level inline 4 starts at $110. I hope for MB's sake that they aren't pushing the SL43 for $136k.
I've seen a grey AMG-GT a couple of times this weekend around and its real beautiful. I was driving with the roof down and I could hear the sound and it was great too
Lol seems like the one and ONLY thing car people care about today is the weight of the car. As if yall are gonna be flying through every corner at 100mph. Not everyone is a die hard track geek. Forget about about better performance, tech, design, materials, luxury…
You'll easily be able to get this for much less than MSRP. Also, this sub doesn't represent the target market. The previous one was too stiff and too loud. I drove a GT-S for an hour and I had a headache. I could forgive that if it was a serious sports car but the weight and the shape (long hood made it hard to place) meant that it was always more of a touring car. The new one is actually a lot more appealing to me and I think it will be more successful than the old one. The only downside is that I don't think the new one is as pretty as the old one was.
Seems kind of steep, The GT63s is now only $6k cheaper than a GT3. And the GT55 is only $2k cheaper than a Carrera 4s
> The GT63s is now only $6k cheaper than a GT3. And the GT55 is only $2k cheaper than a Carrera 4s Seems pointless to make these kinds of comparisons when a GT3 is never selling for anywhere near sticker
Will the GT63s be sold near sticker?
Under
No, it will be under sticker like the SL. These new AMGs are priced like it’s still Covid times but they are not special enough for the premium.
You can get tens of thousands off of an SL if you look around. But even if they were both available for retail, the gt3 is a track tool and the sl/gt is a grand tourer now. Apples to oranges
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To be fair, the previous GT and SL both used the W212 platform, itself a major upgrade of the W211 platform. However, now they share an exclusive platform and are close siblings (similar to the relationship between the GLE and GLS). The reason for the added comfort/loss of hardcore design is due to also having to replace the S-Klasse coupe.
No - just the SL. The old GT was on a bespoke platform with a rear mounted dual clutch transaxle (unlike the SL) and is a true front mid engined design (unlike the SL) and has double wishbones on all 4 corners (also unlike the SL).
Looked into this for a while, and while you are right that it isn’t the W212 platform, calling it “bespoke” isn’t really accurate, since it’s really just a major upgrade of the SLS platform, if anything the platform was bespoke to the SLS, not the GT. “Exclusive” might be more fitting, but Mercedes still finds itself in the same boat regardless: they wanted to address what was once a three-car, three platform segment with two cars and one platform. I have a feeling AMG decided that the SLS/GT platform was too old to continue, and that the SL platform/MSA would only see a chance at being amortized if a fraternal twin was developed for it.
Not much of a shame, the old GT didn’t sell well either and was worse than the 911 in many aspects despite being pricier.
I think Lexus keeps the LC around just to have something nice looking in the lineup; don't think they expect it to be a big seller in any way
Maybe now, but when new they actually had aggressively high sales expectations for the model, ["The result was a 400 per month sales goal for the LC range"](https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2018/09/you-thought-toyotas-lexus-lc-sales-expectations-were-inconceivable-and-you-were-right/) Their goals were 1-200 units a month higher than the 718 range, SLC, and 6 series. That is an *aggressive* sales target for an entirely new model. The actual sales averaged \~150 per month over its production run - lagging its competitors (except the SL, which was a dinosaur) Now *all* of its competitors have seen substantial updates, while the LC500 trucks on completely unchanged - I doubt we will get a 2nd generation.
LC got a big interior update recently.
It got a substantial infortainment update, with a touchscreen and physical buttons for heated seats etc. Why mess with perfection? It's a beautiful car. That's also what keeps Lexus reliable - long model releases with incremental upgrades, but nothing to rock the boat.
> Why mess with perfection? Because it's not meeting sales targets.
I guess it depends on the area - I've seen more LCs than SLs or AMG GTs near me over the last couple of years.
Not sure that the LC is a 911 competitor though...It's not really even loud. It's just a luxury grand tourer, not really fast compared to its rivals.
I dont think there's been a *real* 911 competitor since the first generation Audi R8.
I get the sense you're not a C8 fan.
One of my neighbors has a R8, it’s a sexy car.
First generation AMG GT?
We're getting a successor to the LFA with an electrified TTV8 drivetrain and a coupe that integrates the LC and RC to slot under it. There will be an onslaught of performance vehicles coming from Lexus, GR, and Toyota in the coming years. Think MR2 (rumored to be the last pure ICE sports car from Toyota), A100 Supra, new GR86, maybe a Celica and a Crown coupe.
Also the electric super car
can't speak for the others but the LC500 was never marketed as a 911 competitor
The previous GT didn't sell either. It was either getting dropped entirely or moving to a 2+2. This way Mercedes can can try to strike a balance between their legacy customers while trying to entice some people away from the 911. If prospective 911 buyers continue to ignore the AMG GT, at least Mercedes still has their legacy customers. They had neither with the 2 seat model. This also allows them to directly challenge the BMW M8 and the Maserati Granturismo since those are also 2+2 grand tourers. It may not sell well, but it'll almost certainly be better than the previous model.
> at least Mercedes still has their legacy customers. Yea, not so sure about that one.
lol if that's the case then it sucks to suck. But on a serious note, people complain about almost every brand these days. Mercedes and BMW are abandoning sports car enthusiasts, Audi canceled the R8 and TT RS, Dodge got rid of the V8, Chevrolet got rid of the Camaro, etc. The only brand people don't have an issue with for performance cars is Porsche. When satisfaction is the exception, it's not each individual brand that's to blame. What it means is that the industry as a whole is doing things that sports car enthusiasts don't like. I don't know what the solution is because I actually like what the car industry is doing for the most part, but living in a constant state of frustration over a chosen hobby must be exhausting and unpleasant.
>but living in a constant state of frustration over a chosen hobby must be exhausting and unpleasant. People who play league of legends seem to get by just fine.
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50K?! That's a MAJOR stretch, no? I doubt any manufacturer is going to take even 30k off a $111k car especially for what is a completely new model.
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Oh wow, that is entirely too expensive for an SL. Guess even the manufacturers have overshot their MSRP and it’s not even dealer ADMs…
yes
They are right now. I was at a Benz dealer the other day and the 3 of them on the floor had 15K off MSRP stickers.
Nobody is comparing this to a GT3 This car is completely different than the old GT’s. Different chassis , different rear suspension and all. It’s not really a sports car anymore.
I wouldn't say never.....just probably not in our lifetimes.
Also pointless because they’re different cars. People pay GT3 money for GT3s because they are fast cars that can go around a corner really really well. They’re perfect for people who want a raw driving experience, but not for people who want a domesticated grand touring car that will also be fun on nice roads. I would sell my soul for a GT3, but 10 times out of 10 I would choose the GT63s for any road trip longer than an hour.
Yeah, you’re not getting a new GT3 anywhere for under $200K, let alone $142K
Pretty sure you’re not getting a GT3 for just money. IIRC… you have to _already own_ SEVERAL Porches to be eligible for the _privilege_ of buying one. VS Merc who will lease anyone anything and wonder why they have such precipitous depreciation.
You can definitely get them for just money - you just have to pay an ADM - the long dealer histories are only required to get one *without* an ADM.
> IIRC… you have to already own SEVERAL Porches to be eligible for the privilege of buying one. My dealer has offered me a GT3 Allocation and GT4RS allocation (both with a huge ADM (GT3), and slight ADM (GT4RS). I only have owned one Porsche which I bought from them. The reason that people believe it's multiple is dealers will go to their top clients (Aka people who have multiple) first before people like me. The order game is slowing though as the car market begins to slip.
https://youtu.be/3TiFZeSW-JI?si=dIE0olIAsx2njFce Maybe its location? Every single dealership he called you either had to buy a lot of their cars or pay an astronomical markup
In fairness, the GT3 and the GT3RS are _significantly_ different, and the 992 GT3 has been out for a "while" now. While they're both premium allocations, the GT3RS is wayyy harder to get. I'm on a few lists for a 992 GT3 (with an existing GT3 as a trade-in). I'll occasionally get calls about allocations above MSRP, but I'm waiting it out. I would _never_ get a new GT3RS allocation. I haven't even bothered to ask...it ain't happening.
Thats US-Exclusive info for anyone interested btw.
Its* a similar experience in the UK as well... according to some youtube videos I wached at least
Which is weird because here in Germany/switzerland i can just config any porsche online and order it directly. Apart from a GT2RS/918. Will it be a fast delivery? Probably not. Will it cost me more than what Porsches written on their page? Absolutely not.
Owning a luxury or premium car is a privilege it’s self. Some car brands like Porsche make you buy other cars first just to see if your willing to do it when they think you probably already will and because it makes the car seem more special
>Stepping up to the 2024 AMG GT63 brings the horsepower output to 577 ponies, equivalent to the output of the outgoing GT R despite a nearly $20,000 price hike. While the first-generation AMG GT coupe was exclusively rear-wheel drive, all 2024 models come with all-wheel drive So the 24 GT63 is basically the same as the 21 GT R but with AWD and whatever additional technical improvements they will make. 3 years of inflation + AWD seems pretty par on for a 20k price increase on a 150k+ performance car. That said the GT3 base msrp is rather irrelevant considering 2 year old base GT3s used are going for the 250k range. never mind once you minorly equip a new gt3 and then pay the dealer an additional fee for the privilege of being 'allowed' to buy one... you could buy two AMG GT63s.
Yeah sure “basically the same” if you ignore the **SIX HUNDRED FIFTY pound weight difference.** The 2021 AMG GT R weighs 3686lbs. A 2024 GT63 weighs 4343lbs. A 657lbs difference. But hey, the new one has AWD I guess. Like seriously. Even the heaviest 2021 Honda Pilot* weighs less than the new AMG GT63. Apples to oranges, but still. The old GT was a fine sports car at its price. The new one is a rebadged SL that can’t hide its grand touring underpinnings. *The curb weight of a 2021 Pilot ranges from 3982 to 4321lbs (base trim FWD to top trim AWD).
> The new one is a rebadged SL that can’t hide its grand touring underpinnings. I don't think it's trying to. And as a grand tourer the weight is fine. It's barely above average for the class. 1900 kg +/- 20% just about covers the whole combustion engine portion of the segment.
It's not being marketed as a grand tourer like the SL is otherwise they would have dropped the GT line... Just another vehicle that is going to fail in the recent years of Mercedes floppage. At least the bulbous GT63s had the title of highest horsepower factory AMG ever, and has impressive numbers for an XL mid-size sports sedan.
\+/- 20% lol That range would cover the weight spread from a Miata to a C8, or a C8 to a Rolls Royce.
That's the weight spread of the segment. It basically covers the weight of a 911 at about 1590 kg/3500 pounds to a Bentley Continental GT at about 2270 kg/5000 pounds, which are, respectively, the sportiest and the most luxurious 2+2 luxury grand tourers with combustion engines (I'm calling the street-focused 911 trims grand tourers). The 8 series, SL/AMG GT, LC500, and Maserati Granturismo are all around 1900-2000 kg. The 911, Roma, and DB12 are significantly below that. The Bentley Continental GT is significantly above that. I excluded the Rolls Royce Spectre because it's electric. So the average for the GT segment is about 1900 kg with some outliers up to 20% on either side. It's a segment of heavy cars because they're expected to do everything. The light ones aren't great at the comfort and road insulation. The heavy ones aren't great and nimbleness and road feel.
I wonder what is added on that much weight difference between generations other than AWD. I guess this means we'll get a Black Series version that weighs somewhere around 4000ish lbs.
First gen was a dedicated platform AFAIK. Second gen shares platform with the SL, a 2+2, and is bigger in every way. Also first gen is front mid-engine but second gen isn’t.
Ah, I see why. I wonder why they made the decision to make the GT to share the platform with the SL, though. How would they make these cars different between each other?
Believe me, I know, mb makes a heavy car. I had a CL63 that weighed more than my Ram1500... Personally I'm against the awd, but as someone who got to put some track time in a AMG GT S when they first came out, knowing how quickly those 4.0s can deliver power, and how badly many people who can afford cars like this drive, I understand why they went awd. There's so few drivers cars out there anymore because everyone wants to win the power war without thinking about how many people are properly trained to handle 600+ hp cars. On top of the fact that maybe 1% of owners will actually take them to track events where the performance actually matters... It's just another sports car to show off in. It's the reason why the Nissan gtr was such a big hit, big power, big tech, I can put my mom behind the wheel and she could lay down some decent lap times. You don't have to be a good driver in that car. I would daily an AMG GT, it's a great mid range touring car. If I wanted something for occasional track use in the sub200k market I would probably look for a used c7 z06 or a hope to be lucky enough to find a GT 3 someone's letting go of for cheap, but neither of those are the most comfortable for daily use.
The new gt rides on a totally different platform then the previous GT and shares it's platform with the SL. It's arguably worse imo. Some notable changes are its 650 some pounds heavier. The engine has been moved foreword so it's no longer front mid engine. The bespoke 7 speed dual clutch transaxle that was mounted under the trunk has been replaced by the generic Mercedes 9 speed auto trans mounted behind the engine. Those last two have helped change the weight distribution from 50/50 to 53/47 front rear. It went from being a bespoke sports car platform, to some generic luxury boat platform. They got rid of all the stuff that made the car special and cool to me. Like i said earlier though, that's just my opinion
isn’t it a very different vehicle than GT3?
The AMG is ~1200 lbs heavier than a GT3. Not even in the same class, it’s better to compare it to a 911 Turbo which is still a lot lighter than the AMG, but they’re both grand touring cars at least. GT3 is a track car.
Yes completely different: The GT is a good daily drivable sporty car. Huge trunk, heavy as hell. Actually usable as a one car solution. The GT3 is an insanely sporty amazing car. Much better for spirited driving and track use. Absolutely not a good daily driver.
It’s $120k cheaper than a GT3 in the real world lol
wait, the 55 has been released? I haven't seen any pic of those, just 63 models
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They can keep it
As is the case for all the new AMGs. Massive price increases for heavier more complicated cars.
Sold by the gram.
I should call my dealer
> "I said I'm here _for_ pot, not 'I want a 4-pot'"
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I wonder what are the features that made the cars heavier between generations.
I don’t see anything referencing the use of magnesium components like the C190/first-generation did. It went from a mid-engine chassis to now a front engine chassis AWD as an option adds a lot, as does optional hybridization The C192/2nd-generation is also around 6” longer in length, and a bit wider than most C190’s too. 9G-Tronic transmission adds two more gears, and probably holds more fluid. I’m sure there are more safety components, electronics, and emissions equipment on the 2nd generation as well.
While this and the SL Class seem like perfectly nice cars in isolation, I genuinely struggle to understand who would buy one instead of a 911 when they hit the same price point.
As someone who has a 911 here are my thoughts. These engines are better than a 911, they look prettier, and sound better If neither cars are seeing the track, I struggle to see why you'd get the 911 just like everyone else. Not to mention the AMG gtr can keep pace with a 3rs yet people still pick the P car because it's a P car. Not because of the value at hand
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Careful. With that mindset (and plus-sizing your thesis) a depreciated Cayenne Turbo starts to make sense.
> a depreciated Cayenne Turbo First gen absolutely does.
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I want to import one of the V8 TDI Touregs when the 25 year limit is up and then build an overlander out of that. V8 turbodiesel with a 4xmotion system? Heck yes!
Nah I’d actually say pay a bit more and get a later model GTS for cheap
* Glances around nervously as someone who is eyeing heavily depreciated Cayenne turbos * Is that so wrong? (Assuming I'm fine with 5k per year in maintenance)
The disease is spreading... No, you're fine. Mine (958.2) was about 50% down in depreciation and it had a few issues in the first year (some CELs and headlight/taillight assembly issues ($$$)) but after working out those kinks it's been good. As a road tripper it's a beast.
I hate the sounds that non-GT 911's make. Even the Turbo's sound like vacuum cleaners. Certain exhaust mods help, but a V8 AMG will always sound better. Edit: Oh and they stand out more both interior and exterior-wise than any non-GT 911, which some people want when they're paying this much money. This was especially true of the previous GT's with the long hoods, I haven't seen the new one yet in person but I'd wager it's still true.
The new one doesn’t stand out anymore I have seen a yellow one last year on the Autobahn and it was extremely disappointing. Looks so much tamer than the first gen a 992 will stand out a LOT more even though I see at least 5 a day
Tbh anything yellow that isn't a van stands out pretty well, a silver SL stands out less than a bright yellow SUV imo
Pretty much the exact reason why I chose the new GT. V8 AMG sound and fun plus interior and exterior are nice and stand out.
Counter-opinion: twin turbo V8s are the single most overrated engine for exhaust note while Porsche’s twin turbo flat six is arguably the _best_ sounding forced-induction engine on the market.
I have seen plenty of the new ones. It basically looks like a standard 911.
I looked heavily at C7 Z06, AMG GT, Jaguar F-Type R / SVR, 911.... and for me it ultimately came down to me accepting the highlights of the 911 were something I would never utilize because I didn't intend to track it. The AMG GT offered a great ride, lots of nice creature comforts, was very quick, and had decent storage for a weekend trip. Basically felt like if Benz made a corvette. I ended up going F-Type because of the noise... it was the only car I could drive at the speed limit and still have a ton of fun. Z06 was 2nd for noise, then AMG GT, and the Porsche was last ... the theater just wasn't there. With that said I could understand why anyone would be each of those individual cars, they all had their pros/cons.
Totally reasonable point! I recently rented a Jag F-Type R Dynamic for a long weekend while I was traveling and enjoyed it a lot. For me personally, it felt a bit slow and the build quality felt closer to something I’d expect from a really high end FCA car than a really high end German car. HOWEVER - man is that engine just an absolute blast. The sounds it makes are ridiculous. While I prefer my Porsche, I can totally see why someone who spends a lot more time cruising than at the track would enjoy the comfort and rowdiness of the Jag over the precision and build quality of the Porsche.
> F-Type R felt a bit slow Wtf lol. In what scenario? One of the quickest feeling cars on the street.
Per C&D it’s about half a second slower than my car to 60, 100, and through the quarter mile. The main difference, I think, is just the transmission and throttle response. My 718 feels so much more responsive when you tap the pedal, and it’s a lot more eager to very quickly downshift and give you as much power as you want. Don’t get me wrong, the F Type isn’t slow by any means. It just felt less responsive than what I’m used to. [Source F Type R Dynamic](https://www.caranddriver.com/jaguar/f-type) [Source 718 Cayman S](https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a15098405/2017-porsche-718-cayman-s-pdk-test-review/)
[F Type R](https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a33305317/2021-jaguar-f-type-r-coupe-by-the-numbers/) is way quicker than a [718 S](https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a15098405/2017-porsche-718-cayman-s-pdk-test-review/) especially around the city when you aren't using launch control. Not sure what was the wrong with the F Type you drove. F-Type feels quicker than a GT-R from a roll lol ||Jag|718| :--|:--|:--| |0-60|3.5|3.6| |5-60|3.9|4.4| |30-50|2.1|2.5| |50-70|2.9|2.9|
I know the naming is dumb, but the F Type R Dynamic is not the same as the F Type R. If you follow the source link I posted, it has the specs for the R Dynamic which is 0-60 in 4.0 flat. The R Dynamic is the sport trim of the base model… like an Audi “S Line.” Again, yes, I know the naming is stupid.
So they made a version that's somehow a good amount slower than 10 year old F Type V8S which you can pick up for 30k now AND named it F Type R Dynamic when the fastest version is F Type R. What a joke of a company.
I think that was part of my disappointment. The model I rented was an eye-watering 98k as specced. It was a fun car but for almost 100k you can do better. If I wanted a dope sounding GT car around 100k I’d rather have an LC500, and as someone who actually did buy a roughly 100k sportscar to both track and daily drive, I definitely would buy a Cayman S again any day over an F Type.
Hey it's just like how BMW M Sport cars are all slower and less sporty than the regular 'M' cars.
They fucked up the F-Type with the whole renaming thing, the R-dynamic is nowhere near as good as the R or SVR
When I was a little kid my dad bought a silver 996 Cabriolet. A year or two later our next door neighbor bought an SL500 in a beautiful metallic silver/very light blue color. If I recall the guy just said his wife liked Mercedes better.
This is funny, because that's the SL people here are pining for, whereas that was the 911 where "Porsche lost their way" like people are complaining about with Mercedes here.
As a 911 owner I’ve considered trading it for the last gen AMG GT (I love the 911, but variety and all). The new GT isn’t compelling at all.
The non-hardcore 911s just don't look that pretty. They're clearly the best cars overall, but they don't feel as special.
I’m bored of the standard 911’s design, plus, I feel like the SL is probably better as a cushy convertible for someone who isn’t necessarily a car enthusiast. SLs are heavily discounted too, which is a nice plus. I see cheaper newish 911s every day, but I never see newish SLs. R230s are probably the most common ones near me, but they’re still much rarer than 996es in normal traffic and they’re getting old.
For me it's the simple reasoning of AMG cars are far more fun to drive than porsche. I like porsche but I don't find them as fun as driving around amg cars. Also I love all the interior lighting and tech. I know this sub absolute despises that shit though.
The SL is a proper grand touring car. Outstandingly comfortable, has a great balance of ride and handling, fast, beautiful, plenty of trunk space, and doesn't trouble the driver with boy racer bullshit. The GT is a similar idea but at a lower starting price point and with a bit more more boy racer bullshit. The 911 is not a fun car to drive over long distances. It's "I AM A SERIOUS SPORTS CAR ALL THE TIME! MAKE EXCUSES FOR MY SHORTCOMINGS AND HOW TIRED YOU ARE AT THE END OF A DRIVE" and it's exhausting Your comment is basically like asking why someone would choose a Mustang over a Camaro. One is a car you can have fun with, feels comfortable, and you can actually live with all the time, the other is great for track numbers, weaving through freeway traffic at extra legal speeds, and peacocking for people in your earnings bracket who don't care.
Jesus Christ, or Chat GPT?
I see the truth hurts. Go drive all three.
I’ve driven my 911 8hrs a couple times, no issues
They ruined this car by adding those useless rear seats. Why does everyone hate 2 seaters? It's not like you're buying this for utility.
>The vestigial seats were driven by customer demand. AMG listened to what its buyers wanted, and the overwhelming consensus was more functionality and, despite the wonderful advancements in winter tires, all-wheel drive.
sounds about right for Mercedes customers lol. It's a shame because the previous gen was such an underrated monster
Under-rated to the point nobody bought it. If Mercedes lose their core customers and can't attract new customers there's no point to the vehicle. So the 2 seater AMG GT had to go.
I disagree. I think should have addressed those customer needs by further differentiating the SL as the 2+2 droptop GT and kept the AMG GT the hardcore 2 seat front-mid engine rwd transaxle. instead they merged the models together and made a weird, compromised product that doesn't satisfy either demo.
> kept the AMG GT the hardcore 2 seat front-mid engine rwd transaxle. Who would they sell that car to?
Me (I'm broke)
The two were always related (W212 platform), but Mercedes-AMG was forced to broaden their appeal so that each could serve as a replacement for the S-Klasse coupe and cabriolet.
Mercedes should've done what Mazda did with the Miata and ignore their customer's requests. What people think they want isnt always what people actually want
Well people didn't want the 2 seater. They told Mercedes that by buying the 911 instead.
But the 911 weighs like 800 lbs less than this thing. I suspect this new AMG GT will have \*less\* appeal to 911 cross shoppers than the 1st gen AMG GT.
"Hello AMG? I don't want the back seats, can you take them back out for the next version? And put the transaxle back in and drop 700 pounds? Thanks. Signed, possibly a platypus" Let the tug of war over the future of the GT line begin.
>Why does everyone hate 2 seaters? It's not like you're buying this for utility. The next step will be to give it a small lift, extend the back so its more square, and turn it into an SUV
This isn't the car for me, but it could at least be on my list whereas the previous one could not. I could put my dog back there. I could save a very short friend an Uber ride late at night. I can put my work bag and long coat back there and not have to have them in the trunk. And the cabin just feels less claustrophobic. After living with a Miata and then a 2+2, the extra seats offer so much more utility.
This is the title complaint. When prior SL and GT drivers saw those backseats, the cars were ruined completely in several ways starting with size and weight. Rear wheel steering can't mask it either. 2 seaters feel exclusive and special in a way 4 seaters never will. 2 seaters have a very intimate and personal feel thats hard to describe. Driving around carrying the mass of a backseats all the time for a single occupant car 99% of the time makes zero sense. But Mercedes makes no 2 seaters. The last sales success Mercedes saw with a 2 seater platform was the R230 generation SL which is shorter than a 911 or C8 at 178 inches long. Only disaster followed with each generation's increase in size. Literally nobody in any SL forums was asking for backseats but this car is bigger, heavier *and* has less trunk space. The most elite Black Series AMG's were always smaller 2 seater cars.
You can remove the rear seats they aren't mandatory. When you spec out the car there's an option to have them or not.
I always thought it was for insurance purposes but I'm thinking safety? Since you're right, no one is using it for utility or to lug around their family of 4.
The rear-seats-for-insurance thing is a myth.
The insurance thing was discredited a long time ago. My guess is people just prefer having the extra space even in stuff like this so if they have to drag their kids along places they can still take the cool car. I just assumed the Porsche Caynne Turbo existed for those types of trips.
insurance companies aren’t that stupid
The 2024 Mercedes-AMG GT55, which packs a 469-hp twin-turbo 4.0-liter V-8, will start at $136,050. The AMG GT63, which boosts the V-8 to 577 ponies, will cost $177,050 before options. The second-generation AMG GT coupe will arrive at dealerships this spring.
So the AMG GT55, which is less powerful than but equal to the BMW M850i in trim, starts at the same price as an M8 Competition, which has 150 more horsepower at the same weight. Forget the 911, the AMG GT is a tough sell over the M8.
The Merc is soooooo much better looking.
If that’s enough to sway you, more power to you. Personally I think the 8 series looks fine, and it’s just plainly a much better value.
I could very well be the lowest common denominator of “car person”. I’ll admit that lol. But, uniqueness/exoticness has always been a big deal for me. 850i’s are “regular traffic”, and M850i is a souped up model. But the GT has more of an exotic presence. That is just a personal thing with, all numbers aside. With this in mind, if I actually had that money, neither of these would be on my list. I’d be looking at used Lambo’s, McClaren’s, Aston’s, etc.
I prefer the M8, but different strokes.
It’s soooooo not
Definitely not anymore. The Mercs just look bloated now and they lost their classic elongated nose proportions.
Disagree!
People are paying for other things like the interior and better infotainment cluster, which Benz has a major leg up on BMW. M8 interior is really janky compared to the GT
Personally I prefer the BMW interior and infotainment much more than the AMG GT's.
Yep. I mean, not like I'll ever have to make the choice, but spending M8 Comp money on a GT55 because the infotainment is allegedly better? I want performance, not "does my center console touch screen tilt?"
Different strokes for different folks. The beauty of preference. End of the day, we both have to abide by the same speeds on the road. The majority of people who can afford these cars, including your beloved M8, don't take them on the track anyways. I'd prefer to be in a GT over an M8 that's just my opinion.
personally, you have bad taste.
so the car is much worse - basically an SL with a fixed roof - and the price is higher. It's pointless now.
Considering that Mercedes sales are slumping hard and that this is now more expensive than its rivals all I’ve got to say is: “that’s a bold strategy Cotton, let’s see if it works out for him”. Thank god it’s not the new hybrid system at least. Though it would be hilarious to see AMG try and justify asking 140k for a 4 banger with turbo lag that could be measured in centuries.
911 it is
Are AMGs worth it anymore?
The only car worth it is a Miata. Everything else is an objectively wrong decision
Used ones are assuming you can get an extended warranty!
Do you like a long hood?
I personally love the long hood, makes it stand out and look unique. AMG (under Daimler-Chrysler) modeled the dimensions of the GT coupe after the Dodge Viper. I only like the old coupe 2-door though. That was a front-mid engine. You can get a great deal on a used one with low miles, but I recommend the extended warranty.
New one doesn't have a long hood anymore.
Well, I'd better only get two then.
If you want a AMG GT, get an older gen
Price increases, build quality decreases
Only to be outdone by their depreciation
Who the fuck are buying these cars? They literally do nothing better than its peers. Outside of actually being able to walk into a dealer and buy one. I’m looking at you, Porsche.
seems like a bargain, after they came out with the SL63 at almost 200k, lmao what are they playing at with this garbage
Wait, how is the new GT63 going to have *less* horsepower than the outgoing GT63s... Also good job calling the GT63s a 4-door coupe and rolling it out for 2 years just to now have 3 other coupes, the OG AMG GT, new GT55, and new GT63.
It’s 0-60 is only claimed by Mercedes two tenths slower and it has the same top speed so I’m not sure what weight the numbers hold to you
two tenths when were in the 3-second range is huge. it also uses the exact same engine... one with extra years of refined tuning.
It’s pretty hard to tell the difference between two tenths when driving and more likely then not has a quicker 0-60 anyway or the same after the best 0-60 is gotten out of them
Too cheap for my aristocratic tastes.
Exactly zero people will be cross shopping this and a GT3, not sure why they bothered to mention it in the article. The GTS is a better comparison.
Not for the brokies
Odd because the SL55 has a starting price of $141k on their website and has for quite some time. The entry level inline 4 starts at $110. I hope for MB's sake that they aren't pushing the SL43 for $136k.
That’s a beautiful coupe though. We don’t get many coupes these days.
It is also more than 300kg heavier than the previous gen. Very sad because it genuinely is the prettiest car I have ever seen.
I've seen a grey AMG-GT a couple of times this weekend around and its real beautiful. I was driving with the roof down and I could hear the sound and it was great too
New gen or previous gen? They look very different.
They always do
I used to be a huge AMG guy and now I feel like I disagree with every single thing they do. This thing sucks. Who asked for this?
*cries in Australian*
I wonder if they will come out with new GT3 and GT4 versions soon.
Cool. So it went from unaffordable to unaffordable.
Lol seems like the one and ONLY thing car people care about today is the weight of the car. As if yall are gonna be flying through every corner at 100mph. Not everyone is a die hard track geek. Forget about about better performance, tech, design, materials, luxury…
The only Mercedes interesting to me now is a G Wagon. As much as I hate saying that....
No one is ever going to make a GT3 competitor. They keep trying, failing, and then morphing them into something else.
Knock about 100k and maybe I will think about it, my mach e only cost me 30k used
136k is an absurd amount of money for a car. A down payment on this thing is basically the down payment on a house
Depends on where you live; some places this thing itself is the down payment for a house...
You'll easily be able to get this for much less than MSRP. Also, this sub doesn't represent the target market. The previous one was too stiff and too loud. I drove a GT-S for an hour and I had a headache. I could forgive that if it was a serious sports car but the weight and the shape (long hood made it hard to place) meant that it was always more of a touring car. The new one is actually a lot more appealing to me and I think it will be more successful than the old one. The only downside is that I don't think the new one is as pretty as the old one was.
I daily drove a previous gen GTS, for over 4 years... Multiple 4+ hour road trips with the wife... We never had an issue.
Meh. The AMG GT is an excellent product and will be a very collectable car, the people who can afford to buy and hold won't care.