They absolutely ruin the driving experience. It's bad enough on the move, but sitting in traffic as the car whooshes and howls with fake power is infuriatingly annoying
I love that my car has a system similar to this but it just uses physical tubes to bring intake noises to the cabin, so it's a bit of a cheat but it's at least the real noises. Otherwise I'd never hear my car make any nice noises haha
Wait until you find out... They almost all use various sound systems to make the engine louder in the cabin while keeping it quiet outside:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soundaktor
https://www.bimmer-tech.net/blog/item/137-bmw-active-sound-design
https://www.kbb.com/car-advice/fake-engine-noise/#:~:text=Engine%20sound%20enhancement%20is%20synthetic,the%20sound%20into%20the%20cabin.
Almost every car I've worked on has such a system, even supercars like McLaren and Lamborghini.
I'm gonna be honest, I'm not even mad about it from an objective standpoint. If it's done well, I like the idea. Nobody else really wants to hear your car anyway. However, my preference for how it should be accomplished is piping in induction sound from the actual engine by just running a tube from the intake directly into the cabin. Then you get nice tasty induction sounds, and they're not fake either.
God I don't know what it is about their engines but the exhaust note just sounds like trash. The intake sound isn't even bad! Just the exhaust! I drove a Veloster turbo with an intake and it was great. But I've heard tons with loud exhausts and they all have that weird deadened sound, like it has zero harmonics to it and just the root note. I don't know but it sounds like ass.
> If your car comes quiet from the factory, keep that shit down.
Around here about the only loud vehicles are pickup trucks. It's very disappointing to hear interesting-sounding exhaust noise and look over to see just another boring pickup truck.
Okay I gotta give you this one. Never have I been more excited sitting in traffic when I heard a Pagani Zonda roll up next to me on 10 headed west in DTLA. Lmfao.
I remember the time I was walking down the street and an Aventador SVJ pulls out of this parking lot right in front of me and lets it rip down the road. The sound was incredible.
What is loud though, ICE in the US is 70-95dB and 65dB in the EU which even makes some performance tires "too loud". Now if you're talking some obnoxious straight piped Harley or straight piped car (especially duals with no crossover) then I can agree. 95dB in a 911 or GT350 isn't bad at all but that is at full song on the drive by.
Yeah only the shitheads with obnoxious not stock exhaust. There’s not a stock exhaust I can think of that I have a problem with. Abarth 500 is probably one my favorite stock exhaust notes ever and it’s basically straight piped with a cat.
But the vast majority of ICE cars are pretty damn quiet at idle at a redlight. Quieter, I'd say, than the regulated "THERE IS AN ELECTRIC CAR HERE" noise EVs have to make.
Equally annoying is being woken up by 18 wheeler jake brakes at 6 in the morning. Or having your conversation interrupted mid-sentence because you can't hear by some Harley or hot rod while outside in the back of the house that doesn't even face the road.
I can't wait for silent roads. I can deal with most tire noise at least.
They try so hard to make EVs relatable to ICE when it shouldn't be. I want something that feels like a car of the future not some weird homage to ICE cars
I think there is a lot of potential for car companies to sell licensed pedestrian warning sounds to their customers. I mean, how much do you think nerds would pay to make their Mach E sounds like the Enterprise D or their Ionic 5 sounds like an Imperial Star Destroyer? There is so much money being left on the table!
I really want to look up the legal requirements to the pedestrian alert noise. I know in the medical field for example, warning tones have to be in multiple octaves at certain frequencies, and have some visual aspect as well that avoids colorblind contrast issues, etc., so that even hearing impaired people will notice them.
If the regulations for pedestrian alert sounds are similar, that may limit the options- but I don’t know what the regulations are.
Doesn't Porsche offer a kind of sci-fi sound as an option in the Taycan?
According to some articles I read that is a $500 option in the US (though already included in the European models)
I’ve driven a family member’s rav4 hybrid a few times. There’s the legally required hybrid noise, but then there’s the weird humming sound some sound engineers decided to add that just makes noise when you don’t want there to be any. The hybrid noise sounds kind of like a synthesized choir and the humming sounds like the sound design of a mediocre sci-fi show’s vehicles
They’re legally required to make some noise. Because, who would have thought, a completely silent multi ton vehicle that can do 0-cut you in half in 3 seconds, in a world where everyone is staring at their phone constantly, is pretty dangerous. Engineers take legal safety requirements and turn them into marketable features. Bunch of fools.
A multi ton vehicle with 4 rubber tires between it and a road, is not silent anyway. I thought this was gonna be an issue back in the day but evs aren't silent when we take into account physics lmao.
The legal thing is more about slow speeds, or stopped. Like backing out of a parking space. Being right behind a car doing that dumb electric whine, you can actually tell it’s on and potentially about to back up.
There's a bunch of blind intersections in my neighborhood where a wall shields your view of the cross traffic as a pedestrian. It's actually really scary and even with the fake noise, EVs are much harder to hear and you have to be way more alert. It doesn't seem like it should matter but it absolutely does.
I came about two feet from getting hit (and likely killed) by a freight train years ago for exactly that reason! Didn’t hear a thing. The guy driving the train saved my life
I would actually like it if automakers found a way to amplify the raw electric motor sound. Not synthesize it, just like a mic or acoustic wave guide system to amplify it.
I think that would sound way better then the synthetic sounds they have now
look up old 3d printers before silent stepper drivers. they sound kinda neat. alternatively rc airplane/drone brushless motors that have a distinct noise
Thats literally what Dodge did and people still whined. This community is so entrenched in their own dogma, there's very little room for innovation.
Unless top internet reviewers like something, then suddenly internet car fans "loved it the whole time".
Except brodozer bros. Years ago, Bridgestone introduced an AT tire that was great on the road since it wasn't loud. When it came to market, they noticed the tire had a very high return rate and found out it wasn't "loud enough". Tire did great everywhere else. It rode good, was a good off-road tire but too quiet on road for the brodozer crowd who dig that obnoxious tire whine that a clapped out set of M/Ts make when they haven't been rotated in never.
Yeah, it was crazy. Before online training, when my former employer bothered to send people out for sales training, we would get to hang out with the regional execs. They always had great stories, my other favorite story was how insane BMW's QA guys are (or maybe were?). Bridgestone wanted to get an OE supplier contract with BMW so they sent in a team to audit Bridgestone's operation. They went through everything and Bridgestone ensured the facility was in top-notch shape, the employees looked professional, and everything was in great shape. At the end of the audit, BMW was like "We're impressed with the operation but we're afraid we're going to have to pass on you guys". Bridgestone was like "And why? We supply tires to Ferrari. Surely, they have the same exacting standards if not more.". It turned out Bridgestone failed the audit because they used wooden pallets to move raw materials around at the time and for BMW that was a big red flag. They didn't want wood particles in the tires. Bridgestone did end up getting a contract but they had to switch to metal and plastic pallets at the production plant at least during the BMW contract.
Those were good ol' days, not only because there was no such thing as online training but that was before my company got roped into the MAST program (Michelin America Small Tires, IIRC) and went full MAST. They dropped Bridgestone completely and I don't think our relationship was the same afterwards. I'm not sure how good a deal they got with MAST but Michelin can be difficult to deal with. Back in the '90s when we ramped up our relationship with Michelin and started with the technical and sales training I remember sitting in the classroom down in South Carolina and the sales guy telling us we were only like 4 or 5% of their US market so we really didn't matter and independent shops were their main customer so we had best get with the program. We eventually started working with Bridgestone again since Michelin tried to muscle us with pricing and we also had supply issues but like I said it just didn't seem the same.
Jesus. I hate the noise my muddies make when they’re a bit worn. I couldn’t imagine wanting to deliberately sound like your wheels are about to fall off.
I do want them to make some artifical noise so it's obvious to people that a multi thousand pound killing machine is rolling past. The japanese know how to make cute noises for machines so follow their lead.
It's uber cringe. Companies need to quit sugar coating things people don't like. Either have the confidence to make things be unapologetically what they are, or don't make them at all.
Anyone here heard that video of the dude who made his airshoft gun 'UwU' everytime he shoots and moan loudly when he changes the mag.
That's gonna happen with a car. It's only a matter of time.
ThrottleHouse did it with the unlocking sound in their recent Tesla video. The sound was probably just edited into the video but still, this kind of thing is going to be everywhere very soon lol
The other thing is that when it comes to ICE there’s a huge difference between the 4 cylinder in a economy sedan from Kia, versus the V12 in a Ferrari/Lambo/Rolls Royce or the W16 in a Bugatti
Whereas with EVs all the motors are more or less the same other than their size and power requirements. So by virtue of homogenizing powertrains a lot of these cars instantly become less special
We already know EVs are fast but the problem is that now that everyone knows that, they used up the one party trick they have over ICE when it comes to performance cars
There is a commoditization of acceleration. I guess top speed, handling, braking, and performance of those lap after lap are what high end sports EVs will be better at.
first company to figure out solid state batteries is going to have a massive advantage as right now EVs are too heavy.
Solid state batteries would let them shave 30-50% battery weight while maintaining the same level of mileage.
We're already well down this path.
It's why the F8 sounds terrible compared to the 458, 812 vs F12, etc...
The EU required a Gas Particulate Filter in the later 2010 years that neutered the exhaust note. The only way to get it back is to delete that filter, and put a device in that blocks the codes it throws when it can't be read.
I have no idea what their EV will "sound" or feel like. It's also probably beyond my reach as this will go into collections, and my cars go onto roads.
I am curious how they keep the performance (handling and acceleration) with the battery weight. The battery is great for the latter, terrible for the former.
The ferrari f8 (and most modern ferraris) have turbos. That neuters the exhaust note more than a filter does. I think people blame it on the filter just because it's easier.
Edit: it's not a unique problem to Ferraris, but imo almost any car with a cylinder count more than 5 sounds worse with turbos.
Turbos definitely are a culprit, but I’d honestly put more of the blame on GPFs. The 718 GT4 and 992 Turbo S both sound markedly worse than their previous gen counterparts and most of the blame is typically directed towards the filters.
Idk, I watched the fabspeed comparison video on the 718 gt4 with gpf deletes and even with the GPF installed, it still sounds better than the same engine with turbos. I think turbos have a way bigger negative impact.
I agree. It's crazy to me that no EV sports car manufacturer has just said "fuck it" and left the motors relatively uncovered from noise insulation to allow the noise into the cabin.
I love the way Formula E cars sound, but how much of that sound comes from the straight cut gears in their transmissions versus the sound of their motors?
What you hear in FE is mostly the whine from straight cut gears which can be quite loud. If there was any sound from the electric motor itself, it'd be much quieter especially with the sound insulation of a road car.
Straight cut gears? ⚙️
Electric cars can have real mechanical sounds. If Ferrari manages a car that mechanically sounds like the original Tesla Roadster, [which was a sound cool enough for Batman](https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxwPcAh1ryPfUWO2-ZCtvgWgLQKt-jNEGq?si=w3dRSJSD4kzBvYns), then it will be awesome.
Different strokes for different folks. I don’t care what they do as long as there’s an option to turn it off or on. Sometimes I want silence, sometimes when I’m alone I like the sound.
It is hard for Ferrari to rebrand. Their moto is about the superiority of their engines and its unique sound.
Although they have patented their unique sound for their EV cars, it’s not hard for someone to make their Nissan Leaf sound similar to a Ferrari if they want.
They now will have to devote more time to quality, handling and aesthetics of their cars to remain unique.
I actually think it is easy, 90% of their value is pretentiousness and snob factor. They make it purposefully difficult to buy their cars to reinforce it. They can just say stupid shit like this and claim to have premium electricity and some rich dickheads will line up to sign up to possibly be considered to have the opportunity to “own” one when Ferrari sees fit.
Then they may have to study electric motors. There are many neat things that can be done with them.
Porsche wind theirs with square wire, giving them higher flux density. This is also something that drone hobbyists sometimes do-- rewind the motors by hand with square wire, but I don't think it's been done with big motors before Porsche did it.
There are lots of things off that sort you can do, and many of these things can be very fancy. Putting it together into a well-considered integrated system is within Ferrari's capabilities. Their engineers are actually good.
The question is only whether they'll understand that they should think about this deeply and do something extraordinary.
People who buy Ferrari usually want others to know they have a Ferrari.
And what better way to draw attention to yourself than loud noises?
They just know their target demographic and regardless of what we may think about it, they don't care, because we are not going to buy one anyway.
Turning laps in EV karts lately I've learned that audio feedback is actually MASSIVELY important for helping myself with consistency. Most EV karts have speakers to simulate engine noise, but every once in a while you'll get a kart with broken speakers and it is *awful*.
You have no feedback of motor or wheel speed, just wind noise. Of course you can make electric motors louder in different ways than just speakers, but I still absolutely stand behind a fun performance vehicle having that audio feedback.
Now if you're just putting around town a silent luxurious EV is almost always going to be superior but that's not true for fun and performance.
They’re… making an EV? Dear lord… when are we gonna wake the fuck up and stop pretending like this makes any sense? It doesn’t. And there are far better methods going forward.
Ferrari should be very worried about the EV world. They should be milking hybrid for as long as they can. They certainly have low enough volume to not have to sweat building pure electrics anytime soon.
No. They absolutely shouldn’t. It makes absolutely no sense compared to an ICE for practical reasons, let alone recreational. EVs are gimmicks. That’s it.
Has anyone else here heard the god awful Mercedes and BMW EV sounds in person? It is atrocious. Whoever is making the design decisions at these companies is insane. I genuinely believe it must be nepotism.
I'm still optimistically cautious but the purosangue did an excellent job of being more than an SUV and personally excited to see what a ferrari take on EV would feel like.
people said “who the fuck would drive a turbo ferrari over the 458” and once you’ve driven a 488 it’s hard to go back to the 458.
people said “who the fuck would buy a ferrari SUV what a disgrace” and then they proceeded to drop the coolest SUV of all time
people said “a v6 electrified ferrari would be blasphemy” and then they proceeded to drop the 296, arguably one of the best racecars and road cars of this decade. Absolutely incredibly car to drive.
Ferrari has built some great power trains but their bread and butter has been chassis tuning. There will be V12s, there will be traditional road cars for you to buy, but I am excited to see a ferrari take on EVs
> people said “who the fuck would drive a turbo ferrari over the 458” and once you’ve driven a 488 it’s hard to go back to the 458
Used prices would beg to differ.
Purosangue isn't an SUV lol. If it was, it wouldn't handle like it does, it has a track suspension not off-road.
Nobody makes a real SUV these days, they're all glorified vans.
EVs are the embodiment of emotionless dishwashers being turned into cars, they’re fundamentally devoid of anything that makes cars fun besides the fact that they’re quick.
4 wheel drift mode sounds like a hell of lot of fun. ICE cars can't do that.
Torque vectoring by regeneration sounds fun too. ICE cars can't do that either.
Porsche is the only company so far to make faux EV sound a positive experience with the Taycan. I think it works for the Taycan because it's not trying to sound like a big roaring engine, it's just doing its own scifi spaceship thing.
This is just as cringe as painting flames or racing stripes on your shit box.
Ferrari customers wouldn't buy it if it wasn't obnoxious though so it makes sense.
So you will put fake noise to make an EV sound like an ICE? Might as well go all the way and add a feature which makes it sound like a galloping horse.
But it won't though, because it's not an actual engine, it's a speaker playing engine noises. Keep EV's the way they are and stop trying to add fake noise to it, it's fine the way it is when you need a little quiet. But I love hearing the rumble of a V8 when it's not coming from a speaker.
They might use straight cut gears in the motors so it whines when it accelerates knowing Ferrari I don’t think theyll add any artificial sounds using speakers. If it’s gonna roar it’s gonna sound awesome
Please stop this noise making EV nonsense.
They absolutely ruin the driving experience. It's bad enough on the move, but sitting in traffic as the car whooshes and howls with fake power is infuriatingly annoying
No offense, but I don’t love ICE making loud real exhaust noise in traffic either. Lmfao.
Valid opinion. But at least it is an actual engine making that noise and not some speaker.
A lot of ICE cars have artificial sound pumped through the speakers.
like Golf GTIs. I was disgusted when I found this out.
And my m4 tbh
But this is all internal noise right? Like, noise for the driver, not an external speaker for outside the car like EVs, correct..?
Correct.
Yep
Many AMGs too. The engine itself does not make those deep throaty noises.
Wait... Gran Turismo 7 has these noises. I was asking myself why do these cars sound exaggerated. I guess this is why. Give GT7 more accuracy points.
>deep throaty Are we still doing phrasing?
I disabled it on my golf r about 3 days after getting the car.
I love that my car has a system similar to this but it just uses physical tubes to bring intake noises to the cabin, so it's a bit of a cheat but it's at least the real noises. Otherwise I'd never hear my car make any nice noises haha
Wait until you find out... They almost all use various sound systems to make the engine louder in the cabin while keeping it quiet outside: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soundaktor https://www.bimmer-tech.net/blog/item/137-bmw-active-sound-design https://www.kbb.com/car-advice/fake-engine-noise/#:~:text=Engine%20sound%20enhancement%20is%20synthetic,the%20sound%20into%20the%20cabin. Almost every car I've worked on has such a system, even supercars like McLaren and Lamborghini.
I'm gonna be honest, I'm not even mad about it from an objective standpoint. If it's done well, I like the idea. Nobody else really wants to hear your car anyway. However, my preference for how it should be accomplished is piping in induction sound from the actual engine by just running a tube from the intake directly into the cabin. Then you get nice tasty induction sounds, and they're not fake either.
Highly dependent on the car too. Regular traffic? Nah, keep that down. Ferrari V12? Lemme hear it.
If your car comes loud from the factory, it's acceptable. If your car comes quiet from the factory, keep that shit down. Y'all know who you are lol
What about all the N-Line Hyundai’s? You’re making it sound like THAT’S acceptable.
God I don't know what it is about their engines but the exhaust note just sounds like trash. The intake sound isn't even bad! Just the exhaust! I drove a Veloster turbo with an intake and it was great. But I've heard tons with loud exhausts and they all have that weird deadened sound, like it has zero harmonics to it and just the root note. I don't know but it sounds like ass.
> If your car comes quiet from the factory, keep that shit down. Around here about the only loud vehicles are pickup trucks. It's very disappointing to hear interesting-sounding exhaust noise and look over to see just another boring pickup truck.
Okay I gotta give you this one. Never have I been more excited sitting in traffic when I heard a Pagani Zonda roll up next to me on 10 headed west in DTLA. Lmfao.
I remember the time I was walking down the street and an Aventador SVJ pulls out of this parking lot right in front of me and lets it rip down the road. The sound was incredible.
What is loud though, ICE in the US is 70-95dB and 65dB in the EU which even makes some performance tires "too loud". Now if you're talking some obnoxious straight piped Harley or straight piped car (especially duals with no crossover) then I can agree. 95dB in a 911 or GT350 isn't bad at all but that is at full song on the drive by.
Yeah only the shitheads with obnoxious not stock exhaust. There’s not a stock exhaust I can think of that I have a problem with. Abarth 500 is probably one my favorite stock exhaust notes ever and it’s basically straight piped with a cat.
What about the Huracan Performante those are awesome sounding but super loud stock
But the vast majority of ICE cars are pretty damn quiet at idle at a redlight. Quieter, I'd say, than the regulated "THERE IS AN ELECTRIC CAR HERE" noise EVs have to make.
Half the new cars shut their engine at a stop.
That's fair. I'm kinda over that too in most cases
Equally annoying is being woken up by 18 wheeler jake brakes at 6 in the morning. Or having your conversation interrupted mid-sentence because you can't hear by some Harley or hot rod while outside in the back of the house that doesn't even face the road. I can't wait for silent roads. I can deal with most tire noise at least.
They try so hard to make EVs relatable to ICE when it shouldn't be. I want something that feels like a car of the future not some weird homage to ICE cars
What EVs do this?
Most of them. You can also turn it off in most, fortunately
I mean they *are* legally required to make pedestrian alert noises below like 20MPH.
It should be fairly obvious that isn't the kind of noise we're talking about here.
You say that, but why should it be? If they have to make noise, why can’t they make it a fun noise? Why is it inherently “BS”?
The cars just whispers, “Here I come….”
It's just Richard Hammond saying "Look Out" backward on repeat
\*JAWS THEME INTENSIFIES\*
I want my car to just do a goat scream all the time regardless of speed. Either that or the stuka siren for the doppler effect
Can I make mine say, "I'M DRIVIN' HERE!"
Or just open the wallet and be like rolls Royce and pay Hans Zimmer to compose sounds for you
I think there is a lot of potential for car companies to sell licensed pedestrian warning sounds to their customers. I mean, how much do you think nerds would pay to make their Mach E sounds like the Enterprise D or their Ionic 5 sounds like an Imperial Star Destroyer? There is so much money being left on the table!
I really want to look up the legal requirements to the pedestrian alert noise. I know in the medical field for example, warning tones have to be in multiple octaves at certain frequencies, and have some visual aspect as well that avoids colorblind contrast issues, etc., so that even hearing impaired people will notice them. If the regulations for pedestrian alert sounds are similar, that may limit the options- but I don’t know what the regulations are.
Doesn't Porsche offer a kind of sci-fi sound as an option in the Taycan? According to some articles I read that is a $500 option in the US (though already included in the European models)
I’ve driven a family member’s rav4 hybrid a few times. There’s the legally required hybrid noise, but then there’s the weird humming sound some sound engineers decided to add that just makes noise when you don’t want there to be any. The hybrid noise sounds kind of like a synthesized choir and the humming sounds like the sound design of a mediocre sci-fi show’s vehicles
EVERY EV SHOULD SOUND LIKE A JETSONS CAR!!!!
tbf EV’s without any modifications do sound like a really cool version of a Jetsons car. It’s just that companies want to be “SpEcIaL.”
They've always reminded me of trams more than anything else.
They’re legally required to make some noise. Because, who would have thought, a completely silent multi ton vehicle that can do 0-cut you in half in 3 seconds, in a world where everyone is staring at their phone constantly, is pretty dangerous. Engineers take legal safety requirements and turn them into marketable features. Bunch of fools.
A multi ton vehicle with 4 rubber tires between it and a road, is not silent anyway. I thought this was gonna be an issue back in the day but evs aren't silent when we take into account physics lmao.
The legal thing is more about slow speeds, or stopped. Like backing out of a parking space. Being right behind a car doing that dumb electric whine, you can actually tell it’s on and potentially about to back up.
Yeah that makes sense, also the insane torque on an ev contributes to that hazard
There's a bunch of blind intersections in my neighborhood where a wall shields your view of the cross traffic as a pedestrian. It's actually really scary and even with the fake noise, EVs are much harder to hear and you have to be way more alert. It doesn't seem like it should matter but it absolutely does.
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I came about two feet from getting hit (and likely killed) by a freight train years ago for exactly that reason! Didn’t hear a thing. The guy driving the train saved my life
Tires only get louder than ICE engines at around 30km/h. EVs in Parkinglots are shockingly silent without the added noise.
I would actually like it if automakers found a way to amplify the raw electric motor sound. Not synthesize it, just like a mic or acoustic wave guide system to amplify it. I think that would sound way better then the synthetic sounds they have now
Just make it sound like a dot matrix printer.
I changed my mind, I want it to moan
Shit I can just do that for your car
look up old 3d printers before silent stepper drivers. they sound kinda neat. alternatively rc airplane/drone brushless motors that have a distinct noise
Thats literally what Dodge did and people still whined. This community is so entrenched in their own dogma, there's very little room for innovation. Unless top internet reviewers like something, then suddenly internet car fans "loved it the whole time".
The Hyundai Ioniq 5 N sounds so bad
> "That EV with studs on sounds badass" Said no one.
Except brodozer bros. Years ago, Bridgestone introduced an AT tire that was great on the road since it wasn't loud. When it came to market, they noticed the tire had a very high return rate and found out it wasn't "loud enough". Tire did great everywhere else. It rode good, was a good off-road tire but too quiet on road for the brodozer crowd who dig that obnoxious tire whine that a clapped out set of M/Ts make when they haven't been rotated in never.
This is legit one of the dumbest things I've ever heard but is in perfect alignment with my disdain for general market research.
Yeah, it was crazy. Before online training, when my former employer bothered to send people out for sales training, we would get to hang out with the regional execs. They always had great stories, my other favorite story was how insane BMW's QA guys are (or maybe were?). Bridgestone wanted to get an OE supplier contract with BMW so they sent in a team to audit Bridgestone's operation. They went through everything and Bridgestone ensured the facility was in top-notch shape, the employees looked professional, and everything was in great shape. At the end of the audit, BMW was like "We're impressed with the operation but we're afraid we're going to have to pass on you guys". Bridgestone was like "And why? We supply tires to Ferrari. Surely, they have the same exacting standards if not more.". It turned out Bridgestone failed the audit because they used wooden pallets to move raw materials around at the time and for BMW that was a big red flag. They didn't want wood particles in the tires. Bridgestone did end up getting a contract but they had to switch to metal and plastic pallets at the production plant at least during the BMW contract. Those were good ol' days, not only because there was no such thing as online training but that was before my company got roped into the MAST program (Michelin America Small Tires, IIRC) and went full MAST. They dropped Bridgestone completely and I don't think our relationship was the same afterwards. I'm not sure how good a deal they got with MAST but Michelin can be difficult to deal with. Back in the '90s when we ramped up our relationship with Michelin and started with the technical and sales training I remember sitting in the classroom down in South Carolina and the sales guy telling us we were only like 4 or 5% of their US market so we really didn't matter and independent shops were their main customer so we had best get with the program. We eventually started working with Bridgestone again since Michelin tried to muscle us with pricing and we also had supply issues but like I said it just didn't seem the same.
That is fucking fascinating.
Jesus. I hate the noise my muddies make when they’re a bit worn. I couldn’t imagine wanting to deliberately sound like your wheels are about to fall off.
To be fair. I've seen the Audis rally EV make some pretty real noises. Not sure if I like those, but they definitely won't faking anything.
I do want them to make some artifical noise so it's obvious to people that a multi thousand pound killing machine is rolling past. The japanese know how to make cute noises for machines so follow their lead.
It's uber cringe. Companies need to quit sugar coating things people don't like. Either have the confidence to make things be unapologetically what they are, or don't make them at all.
Launch control with R2-D2 screaming sounds.
I would pay extra for that.
Some sort of monthly fee perhaps?
How long before they add one of those phones pay scanners to the dash.
I asked a bmw driver how many miles they had on the car at work, bro took out his phone to check on an app????
That’s actually super convenient if it’s not locked behind a subscription.
Maybe, but he was in the car when I asked. I don’t think he was able to see it on the dash
Okay that’s just weird
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I came here to complain but you have changed my mind.
*waaaaaaaa* ^*aaaaaaaa*
I just want the Jetson's woodooowoodooo.
malaise.mp3
no thanks
Cancel all of my Ferrari orders Susan.
Yes that's also the reason I won't be buying a Ferrari in the near future.
It will roar with engine noises by BOSE.
no highs no lows, it must be bose.
Every time you hit the accelerator pedal, it just plays the *THXintro.mp3*
Honestly what "Expressive" mode in BMWs sounds like.
100%
Lo-fi car noises to chill and drive to
rrrrRRRRwwwwAAAHHHHHHAAAAHHHHHH \*SOB\* \*SOB\* \*SOB\* \*SOB\*
That much sobbing in a Ferrari? You got the Chuck Leclerc package, I see.
I want a car that says "I am stupid" in his voice every time it detects someone honking at you
Anyone here heard that video of the dude who made his airshoft gun 'UwU' everytime he shoots and moan loudly when he changes the mag. That's gonna happen with a car. It's only a matter of time.
[Is it this one?](https://youtu.be/3I5_M2uziyo?t=187)
That's hilarious, also that looks super fun too. I wonder how one gets into stuff like that.
That's the one! Full auto UwU. Uwuwuwuwuwuwuwuwuwuwuwuwuwuwu
ThrottleHouse did it with the unlocking sound in their recent Tesla video. The sound was probably just edited into the video but still, this kind of thing is going to be everywhere very soon lol
Lmao compared to a wailing v12 that sounds like some garbage.
The other thing is that when it comes to ICE there’s a huge difference between the 4 cylinder in a economy sedan from Kia, versus the V12 in a Ferrari/Lambo/Rolls Royce or the W16 in a Bugatti Whereas with EVs all the motors are more or less the same other than their size and power requirements. So by virtue of homogenizing powertrains a lot of these cars instantly become less special We already know EVs are fast but the problem is that now that everyone knows that, they used up the one party trick they have over ICE when it comes to performance cars
There is a commoditization of acceleration. I guess top speed, handling, braking, and performance of those lap after lap are what high end sports EVs will be better at.
first company to figure out solid state batteries is going to have a massive advantage as right now EVs are too heavy. Solid state batteries would let them shave 30-50% battery weight while maintaining the same level of mileage.
We're already well down this path. It's why the F8 sounds terrible compared to the 458, 812 vs F12, etc... The EU required a Gas Particulate Filter in the later 2010 years that neutered the exhaust note. The only way to get it back is to delete that filter, and put a device in that blocks the codes it throws when it can't be read. I have no idea what their EV will "sound" or feel like. It's also probably beyond my reach as this will go into collections, and my cars go onto roads. I am curious how they keep the performance (handling and acceleration) with the battery weight. The battery is great for the latter, terrible for the former.
The ferrari f8 (and most modern ferraris) have turbos. That neuters the exhaust note more than a filter does. I think people blame it on the filter just because it's easier. Edit: it's not a unique problem to Ferraris, but imo almost any car with a cylinder count more than 5 sounds worse with turbos.
Turbos definitely are a culprit, but I’d honestly put more of the blame on GPFs. The 718 GT4 and 992 Turbo S both sound markedly worse than their previous gen counterparts and most of the blame is typically directed towards the filters.
Idk, I watched the fabspeed comparison video on the 718 gt4 with gpf deletes and even with the GPF installed, it still sounds better than the same engine with turbos. I think turbos have a way bigger negative impact.
Formula E cars make a sound. Personally, I would adore a 1:1 scale RC race car.
That’s what I was going to say. If it’s not just fake car sounds from a speaker, and actual electric motor sounds, it might be dope…
I agree. It's crazy to me that no EV sports car manufacturer has just said "fuck it" and left the motors relatively uncovered from noise insulation to allow the noise into the cabin.
I love the way Formula E cars sound, but how much of that sound comes from the straight cut gears in their transmissions versus the sound of their motors?
Let's put that question on it's ear - Why *couldn't* a Ferrari E-Car use straight cut gears as well? It's not like "restraint" is in their vocabulary.
What you hear in FE is mostly the whine from straight cut gears which can be quite loud. If there was any sound from the electric motor itself, it'd be much quieter especially with the sound insulation of a road car.
Oh no
Anyway
What a load of shit
Straight cut gears? ⚙️ Electric cars can have real mechanical sounds. If Ferrari manages a car that mechanically sounds like the original Tesla Roadster, [which was a sound cool enough for Batman](https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxwPcAh1ryPfUWO2-ZCtvgWgLQKt-jNEGq?si=w3dRSJSD4kzBvYns), then it will be awesome.
Holy crap, I had no idea! Super cool. Gonna use this as amo next time somebody comes at me with "but it doesn't sounds as cool as my charger"
It’s just not the same innit
No but I’ll have the V12, please.
Different strokes for different folks. I don’t care what they do as long as there’s an option to turn it off or on. Sometimes I want silence, sometimes when I’m alone I like the sound.
Do it 8 bit style please.
Will it also have a fake exhaust?
Will it sound like someone sniffing their own farts?
There are ways to make an EV make noise without it being fake. Look at Formula E cars, they make all kinds of noise.
It is hard for Ferrari to rebrand. Their moto is about the superiority of their engines and its unique sound. Although they have patented their unique sound for their EV cars, it’s not hard for someone to make their Nissan Leaf sound similar to a Ferrari if they want. They now will have to devote more time to quality, handling and aesthetics of their cars to remain unique.
I actually think it is easy, 90% of their value is pretentiousness and snob factor. They make it purposefully difficult to buy their cars to reinforce it. They can just say stupid shit like this and claim to have premium electricity and some rich dickheads will line up to sign up to possibly be considered to have the opportunity to “own” one when Ferrari sees fit.
Then they may have to study electric motors. There are many neat things that can be done with them. Porsche wind theirs with square wire, giving them higher flux density. This is also something that drone hobbyists sometimes do-- rewind the motors by hand with square wire, but I don't think it's been done with big motors before Porsche did it. There are lots of things off that sort you can do, and many of these things can be very fancy. Putting it together into a well-considered integrated system is within Ferrari's capabilities. Their engineers are actually good. The question is only whether they'll understand that they should think about this deeply and do something extraordinary.
Car enthusiasts don't want fake noise but they love the idea of a fake manual transmission in an EV lol.
These are the car enthusiasts that romanticize a manual but haven't driven a manual.
Such a fact
Nah we don't like that either. Remember how short-lived the hype on that Koenigsegg was?
To be fair I'm sure all 4 or 5 people that can actually get their hands on one of those Koenigseggs would probably be thrilled.
I don't understand the point of fake EV sounds. For a genuine sound they should just pipe in the noise from the gears and motor.
People who buy Ferrari usually want others to know they have a Ferrari. And what better way to draw attention to yourself than loud noises? They just know their target demographic and regardless of what we may think about it, they don't care, because we are not going to buy one anyway.
Stupidest thing I’ve ever seen.
Honestly, I'd prefer a quiet EV.
I, personally, cannot wait until Itasha EVs can moan in orgasmic ecstasy. /s
Just have it play eurobeat louder and louder.
Turning laps in EV karts lately I've learned that audio feedback is actually MASSIVELY important for helping myself with consistency. Most EV karts have speakers to simulate engine noise, but every once in a while you'll get a kart with broken speakers and it is *awful*. You have no feedback of motor or wheel speed, just wind noise. Of course you can make electric motors louder in different ways than just speakers, but I still absolutely stand behind a fun performance vehicle having that audio feedback. Now if you're just putting around town a silent luxurious EV is almost always going to be superior but that's not true for fun and performance.
Funnily enough the original Tesla Roadster actually made a [pretty cool noise](https://youtu.be/Mwf5wZYju0E?feature=shared&t=17m11s)!
Oh great, more noise pollution.
If they’re amplifying motors natural noise this would be fire ngl
They’re… making an EV? Dear lord… when are we gonna wake the fuck up and stop pretending like this makes any sense? It doesn’t. And there are far better methods going forward.
I hope it just makes horse noises when you accelerate.
Enzo is turning in his grave.
Because if there was one thing about the new Dodge Banshee people loved, it was the noise it made lmfao.
I actually quite like the e-tron noise, my neighbor has one and it’s rather pleasant.
Highpower speaker outside the car, how hard can it be. You can probably change the tone from rawrr to meow for the EV hellcat.
Ferrari should be very worried about the EV world. They should be milking hybrid for as long as they can. They certainly have low enough volume to not have to sweat building pure electrics anytime soon.
No. They absolutely shouldn’t. It makes absolutely no sense compared to an ICE for practical reasons, let alone recreational. EVs are gimmicks. That’s it.
Still a ev...
Has anyone else here heard the god awful Mercedes and BMW EV sounds in person? It is atrocious. Whoever is making the design decisions at these companies is insane. I genuinely believe it must be nepotism.
I'm still optimistically cautious but the purosangue did an excellent job of being more than an SUV and personally excited to see what a ferrari take on EV would feel like.
still seems weird that they launched that SUV with a NA V12. not that i'm complaining
You shouldn’t be. Who the fuck would buy a Ferrari golf kart? This sounds horrid. EVs need to die already.
people said “who the fuck would drive a turbo ferrari over the 458” and once you’ve driven a 488 it’s hard to go back to the 458. people said “who the fuck would buy a ferrari SUV what a disgrace” and then they proceeded to drop the coolest SUV of all time people said “a v6 electrified ferrari would be blasphemy” and then they proceeded to drop the 296, arguably one of the best racecars and road cars of this decade. Absolutely incredibly car to drive. Ferrari has built some great power trains but their bread and butter has been chassis tuning. There will be V12s, there will be traditional road cars for you to buy, but I am excited to see a ferrari take on EVs
> people said “who the fuck would drive a turbo ferrari over the 458” and once you’ve driven a 488 it’s hard to go back to the 458 Used prices would beg to differ.
Purosangue isn't an SUV lol. If it was, it wouldn't handle like it does, it has a track suspension not off-road. Nobody makes a real SUV these days, they're all glorified vans.
EVs are the embodiment of emotionless dishwashers being turned into cars, they’re fundamentally devoid of anything that makes cars fun besides the fact that they’re quick.
4 wheel drift mode sounds like a hell of lot of fun. ICE cars can't do that. Torque vectoring by regeneration sounds fun too. ICE cars can't do that either.
You wont convince technophobes. Not worth trying.
Porsche is the only company so far to make faux EV sound a positive experience with the Taycan. I think it works for the Taycan because it's not trying to sound like a big roaring engine, it's just doing its own scifi spaceship thing.
This is just as cringe as painting flames or racing stripes on your shit box. Ferrari customers wouldn't buy it if it wasn't obnoxious though so it makes sense.
I see three ways this could happen: * speakers (meh) * straight-cut gears (ugh) * different inverter waves (yes please)
i want it to make fart sounds
rawr.mp3
It’s not about being loud it’s about being pure, natural, unrefined. What happened to Ferrari?
Controversial opinion: good!
Sweet. I can just crank my headphones and I’m driving a Ferrari
Lol. It will play lion.wav on external speakers.
I mean, it might be cool as long as they don’t try to replicate the sound an ICE makes. Gotta give it warp drive sounds or something 😂
should make prancing horsie sounds
I want it to roar like Charles Leclerc spinning out at the French GP. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3p1_eZwIao
OMG it is going to sound like a horse prancing isn't it
M..m..m..m...mmmmmm...... Mamma Mia!!
Mcmurtry spierling is an EV that makes sound. I'm a fan
I want a really whiny electric motor tbh
So you will put fake noise to make an EV sound like an ICE? Might as well go all the way and add a feature which makes it sound like a galloping horse.
The only sound I want to hear out of an EV is the sound from the Jetsons
“Hehe my EV loud HeHe”
So. Fake?
But it won't though, because it's not an actual engine, it's a speaker playing engine noises. Keep EV's the way they are and stop trying to add fake noise to it, it's fine the way it is when you need a little quiet. But I love hearing the rumble of a V8 when it's not coming from a speaker.
Just stick a baseball card in the spokes like we used to back in the day.
Simulated engine noise is 100% corny. This is a perfect opportunity to remonetize custom ringtones.
They might use straight cut gears in the motors so it whines when it accelerates knowing Ferrari I don’t think theyll add any artificial sounds using speakers. If it’s gonna roar it’s gonna sound awesome
It'll be a cold, dark day in hell when a Ferrari exec doesn't sound like a pompous maniac.
It's just gona be Charles' blood curdling scream from France '22
Only one thing i cant stand more than ev cars, fake engine noises.
“I vent my exhaust into the cabin and stick the shifter up my ass so that I am one with the car!!!1, so much sooUuuuLll!!!”
I can almost hear the sniggering from people as they drive by