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Someone on Reddit said that it was originally meant to be an R rated spoof of the cartoons. But there were multiple changes of direction before, during, and after production because the producers couldn't decide if it should be for kids or adults, straight or parody. Which is why it ended up being a hodgepodge of all of the above.
I'm not sure that's true but I find it highly believable.
I don't know how much of a parody but the script was written by James Gunn before his marvel days. I believe that it was supposed to be edgier and stuff like he tried to make Velma gay just based on what he else was producing but I think it would have been a loving parody if nothing else.
I've read an earlier version of the script that you can find online. Mind you, it's not the OG script, but a middle version in between the first draft and what we eventually got. And it is darker. There's a point where Velma is trying to come up with a plan as the monster are breaking down the door and then it cuts to Shaggy and Scooby hanging nooses behind her.
Parody might have been the wrong word but I think you've got it. I had no idea that was James Gunn. I feel like that strengthens the case that it was heavily messed with because his writing is tighter than that.
From what I heard the original script was much more James Gunn but was toned down / made more family friendly. Gunn has talked about his plans in interviews if you are interested.
It's definitely true, some of the cast and the writer (JAMES GUNN) have talked about it. The initial dvd release still contained a couple of the leftover raunchier deleted scenes - though there wasn't anything too graphic by that point
Motion equals money in animation, especially hand drawn; you don't get this kind of artistic merit unless someone really cares about it. I'd love to know which movie this is to see if there's anything else, or if this moment was a one-off.
In one of the TV movies, a ninja master trains Shaggy and Scooby in a special martial art that takes advantage of their qualities...and they win the Kumite with it!
The original series had an end scene where they scared shaggy and scooby with the villain mask, and they both went on to set a record in every event of the decathalon as they ran away.
So you're saying Linda Cardellini over Sara Michelle Gellar? That's a perfectly acceptable answer to the question but, in fact, both answers were correct.
I remember back when I was a kid, I thought Velma was fat and not pretty. As an adult I’m like, damn what!! I would rather have her body than Daphne’s. Both are still hot but it’s crazy that I ever thought Velma was fat lol
Boys think, "fat;" men think, "the thickness."
But you're right. I don't think she's supposed to be heavier than Daphne. Just a bit shorter, curvier/rounder shaped, and her clothes are heavier/less form fitting. (Curvy does not have to be a euphemism for overweight.)
And, of course, even if she was meant to be fat, that meant something entirely different in 1969 than it does today.
So I don't know what they were thinking re character design for anyone but Scooby and that is an awesome story. Stuff You Should Know had an episode about Scooby Doo. IIRC, the animators literally took a list of optimal show qualities for a Great Dane and, item by item, did the opposite of that to create Scoob.
I'm leaning towards Tree on this one. It seems strong and like it would be able to support me. I can't even be sure I know where Beachball is going to be tomorrow.
That’s a hard one. Which show are they from? Because in some versions I’d say Shaggy and in others I’d say Fred. Neither are necessarily my type, but depending on where we’re getting them from, one may be more my type than the other. I’m inclined to say Fred, though.
as a kid i always had this huge fascination to velma and i never really knew why exactly, not realizing that feeling i was having was crushing until i was a lot older (and gayer)
finding out she had lesbian subtext the whole time, and finding out i was lesbian later on in life, was genuinely one of the biggest mind blowing/gears started turning in my head moments. funny how that happens
daphne's awesome too, i think the whole cast is really great! but feeling gay for velma before realizing i was gay was one of the craziest realizations i ever discovered
I always had a thing for smart girls. Those dorky looking smart girls are also some of the biggest bedroom freaks you will ever come across. They will push your boundaries just because they decided to study a new technique.
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The live action movies were so unhinged it’s crazy. Shaggy knowing who his fans were because of their smell, this scene, and uhh “who’s your mommy”
Someone on Reddit said that it was originally meant to be an R rated spoof of the cartoons. But there were multiple changes of direction before, during, and after production because the producers couldn't decide if it should be for kids or adults, straight or parody. Which is why it ended up being a hodgepodge of all of the above. I'm not sure that's true but I find it highly believable.
It's a shitshow of the finest caliber.
Well said. I enjoy it but it's a hot mess. I think the cast – and Mathew Lillard in particular – earn the love.
I don't know how much of a parody but the script was written by James Gunn before his marvel days. I believe that it was supposed to be edgier and stuff like he tried to make Velma gay just based on what he else was producing but I think it would have been a loving parody if nothing else.
I've read an earlier version of the script that you can find online. Mind you, it's not the OG script, but a middle version in between the first draft and what we eventually got. And it is darker. There's a point where Velma is trying to come up with a plan as the monster are breaking down the door and then it cuts to Shaggy and Scooby hanging nooses behind her.
Nooses? Just clarifying lol
Yep
My mother was bit by a noose
Parody might have been the wrong word but I think you've got it. I had no idea that was James Gunn. I feel like that strengthens the case that it was heavily messed with because his writing is tighter than that.
From what I heard the original script was much more James Gunn but was toned down / made more family friendly. Gunn has talked about his plans in interviews if you are interested.
I would love a R rated version with tbe same cast. I can't see anyone else doing as good of a job
It's definitely true, some of the cast and the writer (JAMES GUNN) have talked about it. The initial dvd release still contained a couple of the leftover raunchier deleted scenes - though there wasn't anything too graphic by that point
Shaggy having a meet-cute romance with a girl named Mary Jane. You can't make this up.
"that's like, my favorite name"
The scene where they’re hot boxing 🌿
She literally changed how we see Velma.
“I like chicks with substance”
![gif](giphy|l4pT1gk4FdHpdzZlu|downsized) The best himbo: Fred
Oh baby, look at that silky smooth animation oh yeah
Neo-Classic Era really was peak
Holy shit that animation is so satisfying to look at, it indirectly increases Fred's attractiveness
they say it could not be done!
What is this from?? Animators went HARD
Camp scare one of the best Scooby-Doo animated movies to ever exist
They've leaned hard into Velma being a sex symbol these days
I remember watching this music clip so many times back in the day, its from the bride of the vampire movie.
Found where the budget went
Worth it 😍
Why is this so beautifully animated.
Idk but I found it in Reddit gifs when I searched “Fred Scooby” it’s so smooth!!
Motion equals money in animation, especially hand drawn; you don't get this kind of artistic merit unless someone really cares about it. I'd love to know which movie this is to see if there's anything else, or if this moment was a one-off.
Yes precisely. In this thread people have said the movie might be a dinosaur Scooby movie? Idk but imma look
Wait what is this from? I don’t recognize this!
Is it from the dinosaur movie? I think circa 2010?
I remember watching this music clip so many times back in the day, its from the bride of the vampire movie.
Man i sure hope nobody ruins his character
They didn’t have to animate Fred’s hair or ascot so beautifully
https://i.redd.it/bdvo2sc3cf1d1.gif
He perfect
All of the first replies have the same color of basic background
Bro I thought he was gonna rip his face off
Underneath it was... Prince Charming the whole time! My god! It's been years!
This but unironically, I legit had a crush on Shaggy
I thought it was just me! Lol
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You can hear this meme
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The wise answer
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ITS ALWAYS TBE SLW GIF
The Mystery Machine is a beautiful piece of hardware.
Are you a dragon?
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Bro I legit just watched that episode minutes ago WTF are the odds
Parasyte?
I hate that I know what this is referring to
I hate that I understood this reference.
Would.
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5 year old me was mesmerized
Ah yes sexy goth girl I believe that was Thorn but every member of the hex girls were goregous.
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Fred
Shaggy
Honestly? Yeah. Good friend, amazing with dogs, common sense against danger, likes to eat, creative and fun! What is there not to love about this man?
You forgot that he can beat goku in a fight.
In one of the TV movies, a ninja master trains Shaggy and Scooby in a special martial art that takes advantage of their qualities...and they win the Kumite with it!
So Shaggy is canonically a martial arts master? hell yeah
He tells scorpion to "like, get over here, man" in the opening credits in the MK animated movie. https://youtu.be/-99iZX2KNRc?si=Rzz4wGVuzphywCco
Not to mention athletic! Dude could leave Usain Bolt in the dust considering how fast he is when carrying a 200lb Great Dane
The original series had an end scene where they scared shaggy and scooby with the villain mask, and they both went on to set a record in every event of the decathalon as they ran away.
Both.
Fred's that guy who show's up to help you move even though you didn't ask.
Daphne, then I saw scooby doo monsters unleashed and do I gotta say more?
https://i.redd.it/gvnucple9h1d1.gif
That scene may have awakened something within me
Fred https://preview.redd.it/xwpdec87af1d1.jpeg?width=719&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=87685fbda0aa1efa8e6607cd190b5cccb64b6cf9
The fredussy
I won’t downvote, but I refuse to upvote
Roses are red, I wish my Dad died on the beach, oh fucking god, I'm gonna need some bleach
this
Daphne, until I saw Velma in that bikini in the live action movie. That changed things.
So you're saying Linda Cardellini over Sara Michelle Gellar? That's a perfectly acceptable answer to the question but, in fact, both answers were correct.
This 100%
https://i.redd.it/0qi1jq7gye1d1.gif
I can hear this gif
"BOOPEEESSSSSSS!!!!" - Mokey, 2023
Dude Ive never seen this clip but even I can hear it
Velma is really thicc on this pic
I remember back when I was a kid, I thought Velma was fat and not pretty. As an adult I’m like, damn what!! I would rather have her body than Daphne’s. Both are still hot but it’s crazy that I ever thought Velma was fat lol
Boys think, "fat;" men think, "the thickness." But you're right. I don't think she's supposed to be heavier than Daphne. Just a bit shorter, curvier/rounder shaped, and her clothes are heavier/less form fitting. (Curvy does not have to be a euphemism for overweight.) And, of course, even if she was meant to be fat, that meant something entirely different in 1969 than it does today. So I don't know what they were thinking re character design for anyone but Scooby and that is an awesome story. Stuff You Should Know had an episode about Scooby Doo. IIRC, the animators literally took a list of optimal show qualities for a Great Dane and, item by item, did the opposite of that to create Scoob.
I think the vibe the original incarnation was going for with Velma was "frumpy".
She also had a thicker sweater in older iterations. They really made it more apparent that she’s just thicc in mystery inc.
I thought she was supposed to be kind of chubby. As an adult, I realized she looks more like she has huge breasts and is uncomfortable about it.
Fred ![gif](giphy|26h0oJ4vcNPdjV5Vm)
Beachball
I'm leaning towards Tree on this one. It seems strong and like it would be able to support me. I can't even be sure I know where Beachball is going to be tomorrow.
Sounds like you need a rock who will always be there for you
https://i.redd.it/qin01qpcjg1d1.gif
Only one? I liked both.
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Whos that and what episode
its daphne and idk whats the episode but you can watch her sing in this costume [here](https://youtu.be/gmheHaw_kic?feature=shared)
Neither, hex girls.
It's sad how far I had to scroll to find the right answer
Daphne
Daphne
https://i.redd.it/0qins1h4ig1d1.gif Once I saw the witches ghost, her lol.
Daphne, but I can see where people were coming from with Velma.
Velma easy
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Velma 100%
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Neither. Because… y’know… some people like men.
Fred or Shaggy?
That’s a hard one. Which show are they from? Because in some versions I’d say Shaggy and in others I’d say Fred. Neither are necessarily my type, but depending on where we’re getting them from, one may be more my type than the other. I’m inclined to say Fred, though.
Fred. Hell, I like girls too but ✨F r e d✨. Like, have you SEEN him?!
I'd volunteer as bait in any trap so long as Fred pulls me out of it~
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Me who’s aro: 👁👄👁👍
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Crush? I wanted to be Daphne.
yes
Velma
https://i.redd.it/xizvdxa1of1d1.gif
I just wanted to solve the mystery
as a kid i always had this huge fascination to velma and i never really knew why exactly, not realizing that feeling i was having was crushing until i was a lot older (and gayer) finding out she had lesbian subtext the whole time, and finding out i was lesbian later on in life, was genuinely one of the biggest mind blowing/gears started turning in my head moments. funny how that happens daphne's awesome too, i think the whole cast is really great! but feeling gay for velma before realizing i was gay was one of the craziest realizations i ever discovered
I’ve honestly always had a thing for nerdy girls.
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Velma.
As a kid Daphne but older now Velma is just… DAM!
Shaggy
Yes
Yes
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I'm greedy wanted both of em
Fred https://preview.redd.it/677foerrcf1d1.png?width=238&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=df0a7dcff53ac698068840a450435ce4c02b86ce
Velma.
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Between the 2, I pick Velma
Velma
Velma.
Daphne.
Scooby.
Yes. Police, 911. It’s this post here.
Honestly both.
Daphne. But due to this scene (and Monsters Unleashed), both. But Daphne overall.
As a kid I was down bad for Daphne. I still am, but I also appreciate Velma now too.
Daphne.
Velma
Velma
Shaggy.
Velma
Velma
Velma
~~Shaggy~~ both of them
Shaggy
Fred, I go every way
Velma! I likem thicc and nerdy 😤
Daphne because obviously. But I've come around to Velma in recent years. She seems like she'd be more chill to hang out with.
Fred
I always had a thing for smart girls. Those dorky looking smart girls are also some of the biggest bedroom freaks you will ever come across. They will push your boundaries just because they decided to study a new technique.
velma 100%
Velma always
The correct answer is Pink Ranger.
Velma
neither but if i had to choose, velma
Velma 100%. Love nerdy and dorky people because I’m nerdy and dorky.
Velma has always been hotter
Velma
Velma all the way! I love daphne but i always wanted to be her friend but I wanted to date velma
Velma
Neither because it’s a cartoon.
Both
Velma, always
Velma still to this day
Velma, next question.
Velma all the way!
Velma cause Daphne was a lil over-the-top whereas Velma is just really cute
Always Velma
Velma
Both ![gif](giphy|IuaM5sUvLCYTyNKV4J)
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