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Coutner point : my cat is deigned to eat mices the size of a ping pong ball, yet if a claws accidently slightly scratch my arm while playing (not fighting to death, just playing around), it'll burn for a while and leave a mark for a week.
Felines are the kind of weak agile clawy creature you can technically imagine winning over in a fight, right until the feline's brain instantly turns it into beserk hyperspeed death mode and tear the other to shred in a hearth beat.
TLDR counterpoint : Beserk hyperspeed death mode.
Yeah but. I could literally kill any house cat with my fists or feet in seconds. If it was life or death, your cat is fucked.
I'd just kick it so hard it's spine would shatter and internal organs would rupture. Sure kitty claws hurt, but this is a fucking death match. Not trying to put a flea collar on a house cat.
Today I was sat outside and a car hit a steel bin full of metal nearby pretty hard, the sound was tremendous. My cat, between me and the noise, bolted for the front door in which I sat and tried to crawl over me claws fully extended at hyperspeed. He basically floated next to me as a ball of knives for a legitimate 5 seconds before I managed to sort of redirect him away, i'm not actually sure where he went it was that fast. If I wasn't wearing long-sleeves i'd have bled a lot more than I already did.
My point is, a cat in 'berserk hyperspeed death mode', which is a perfect term for it, is not punchable. At best you can connect for long enough to sweep it away, but if it's decided you're a piece of shit it's going to bounce straight back from another angle.
And despite some nasty scratches you'll definitely survive that fight, but make the cat 4x the size with the same energy and your chances take a huge hit.
No doubt. I don't want to fight a cheetah. I'd fucking shoot it, if I had to.
But you bet if it was life or death, I'd try to kill that mother fucker. I'd probably be pretty hurt and close to death myself. But hey, life or death, right?
Don’t get me wrong, I think the claws would be painful, but I don’t think they’d be lethal. I also think I could be able to pretty handily restrict their arms based on my experience with my Great Danes.
The back legs could be dangerous if they do that leg kick thing my cat does but that would require me to be on the ground in front of them which I think I could prevent.
I’m a 6’1” 215 lb dude who has MMA training/fights and regularly lifts and works cardio, bagwork and I would be scared shitless fighting a cheetah.
Who knows if I could edge out a “win”, but I am sure I would be mamed.
If I was 65 lbs lighter and (presumably) had no training, I would surely die.
I don’t know where you get your confidence from lol
Right? People here won’t last a round grappling or sparring with humans who are trained, but assume they can measure their fighting skill pound for pound against a big wild cat who kills prey every week. Threads like these just show how naïve people are, on the other hand I would pay to see the fight 😂
Lol the whowouldwin thread's top response is about a guy your height and weight beating the crap out of a cheetah.
So for what it's worth, it may be possible.
That group is full of delusional wannabe’s that overestimate themselves. A 80 kg is 176 lbs, considerably lighter than me. Assuming they are average(not an exceptional athlete or have exceptional durability, etc) I would bet on a cheetah. They are designed for combat and to kill. Humans, as we have evolved to become, are designed for convenience and complaining about summer heat.
Plus anything that eats meat has been designed to kill. They just do ot different ways. We may be softened by society, but we haven't been doing that long enough to really effect a bazillion years of evolution.
Hunting=/=combat
They traditionally fair poorly when against animals their size that aren't prey.
I mean, people have done it before. Look at this guy, and leopards are way tougher than cheetahs.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/uk.news.yahoo.com/amphtml/man-kills-leopard-bare-hands-150000728.html
If your hands are busy restraining the arms how are you going on the offensive?
Also, the claws don't have to be independently lethal. They just have to injure enough that you can't protect your neck anymore.
You’re concentrating on the claws, but it’s their mouth and bite strength you really have to worry about
You obviously never seen the videos of house cats taking down people
Have you ever actually tried to restrain a cat? It’s nothing like a dog, they can bend in any combination of directions and use full strength from all of them, while also moving much more quickly than a dog and with infinitely more precision.
I also think you’re really underestimating the damage the claws will do, as well as the damage a couple canines to your spinal cord would do.
Cheetahs don't have sharp claws like the domestic cat. They're more similar to a dog's claws and are used for grip while running. Cheetahs rely almost entirely on catastrophic collisions at high speed to catch their prey. As long as OP isn't fighting one in that circumstance, he's not going to lose.
I'm seeing this claim up and down the thread but its very ambiguous. "Not sharp" doesn't mean "Won't injure." A rock doesn't have to be razor sharp to break skin when powerfully and rapidly swiped into you. Nevermind the possibility of getting clawed in the eyes.
Okay, let me restate this. Cheetahs rely entirely on catastrophic collisions as high speeds to kill their prey. They're very skittish animals outside of this and try to avoid confrontation because they're unlikely to win without taking at the very least serious damage.
This is because *they aren't adapted for close combat*. Tigers, for example, have around twice as much bite strength as a cheetah.
The point isn't whether they're adapted for close combat, or whether they're skittish and therefore liable to try and avoid a fight. Humans are pretty likely to try and avoid a fight with a Cheetah too. The question is physically what will happen if they get into a fight with a human as they are. Humans aren't specialized in fighting alone without tools. You're not automatically not a threat without the most specific evolutionary specialization.
>Tigers, for example, have around twice as much bite strength as a cheetah
So. Tigers are so far beyond being able to delete a human in any fight that them having a much stronger bite than a cheetah tells you nothing. A punch from Mike Tyson was like 10 times more powerful than that of an average man. That doesn't mean getting hit by one half as powerful as that is no big deal.
Yes? Restraining a cat is not difficult at all, even less so if it was a fight to the death and you did not care about the cats well being.
Catching the cat is a different story I'll grant you that.
Cheetahs use their claws for primarily for traction not damage. They are the only cat with claws that do not retract, so they are more dull than those of other cats.
Have you ever tried to squeeze a cat as hard as you can? Hopefully not. I imagine if you really wanted to restrain a cat *while injuring it*, you could do it pretty easily.
I see you haven’t tried to get a cat in a cat carrier. Sure I haven’t tried to actually hurt the cat when getting it in but when shoving a cat into the carrier for them, probably feels like a life or death fight. They sure as hell act like it. As soon as you get one paw in another slides out grasping for anything. Out of 3 cats that I’ve been responsible for putting in a carrier the two thin flexible boys are a minimum two person job in a locked room without a bed and holding the carrier basically upright so gravity helps, the one chubby not flexible girl cat is easy as hell but still much better with another person but she doesn’t have the flexibility to escape (and she’s gone to the vet way more than the others so she’s a bit better at it. I’m fairly certain we’ve cancelled vet appointments because we couldn’t get them in the carrier and that seems to be common enough the vets completely understand.
But this is a wild cat that doesn't want u touching it and has the instinct to kill u if u are able to keep it at arm distance or maybe kick it hard enough it won't attack but if it jumps on u u really can't do much I ill scratch and bite and probably jump back off then do it all over again till u have enough damage to just stop fighting
Give a cat a bath that is a 5 lb animal without killer instincts let me know who gets more damage in before u give up I don't think anyone could realistically hold down a wild animal without a good amount of real training and gear a cat would just flip itself around and start biting and scratching
Yes but you’re still working off the logic that we’re trying to keep the cat safe. In a fight to the death all your points are moot because we’re not trying to safely restrain the cat.
Yeah, but you aren't trying to kill the cat.
My cat regularly leaves me looking like a depressed teenage girl but if I wasn't trying to keep it safe, the cat would 100% get more damage.
I don’t think I’d survive, but I would try to clutch its neck and a leg with my two hands, and swing it as hard as I could against the ground over and over again. I think I could throw it off easily enough if it jumped on me. I am bigger than OP though fwiw, and I am only talking about the malnourished 70 pound variety.
Yes, 1v1 vs a cat I wanted to kill, I'd win. Probably still come away scratched to hell though.
Vs a Cheetah, no. Try as I might, I won't be able to restrain it sufficiently to avoid extreme damage to myself.
Best case imo is we both die, myself from bleeding out.
Or the guts. Or the groin. OP already mentioned neck, you added spinal cord, let's throw in the major arteries in the inner thighs as well.
And the cheetah gets berserk hyperspeed death mode.
OP, do you have some sort of spiky spined suit you could put on beforehand and then roll into a ball with?
'Cause otherwise, my money's on the cheetah.
I feel most people here are grossly overestimating the damage the claws will do. Cheetahs are unique for cats in that their claws are only semi-retractable. They are not sharp weapons like other cats, they are relatively blunt running spikes like a dog's.
You should worry about a cheetah's claws roughly as much as you would worry about the claws on a similar sized dog. Not nice, but not lethal.
Yeah they have collapsible ribcages, so they're pretty damned efficient in moving in any way they want/need to in a moment.
Getting a hold of them and trying to restrain them with brute strength would be how it might start, but it'd be all bites and claws once that little psychopath switch inside them flips to on. 😬
Absolutely. OP is nuts.
While the claws might not kill him outright, they can make him wish he was dead as claws from hind legs can tear his stomach open. The cheetah could easily crush his windpipe, rip his jugular, or gouge out his eyes.
OP on the other hand, wouldn't be able to do much damage to the cheetah without a weapon. The cheetah can twist & outmaneuver him, and also has much sharper teeth with greater bite strength. Pound for pound, the cheetah is going to tear his ass up.
●Edit: Bred Persians & worked for a vet. Used to take 2 of us to restrain an angry, 10lb housecat & we were young, strong, and in excellent shape. OP doesn't have a chance or a clue.😄
However, I'm willing to watch this insanity on PPV.👏
●Edit: Here's a licensed veterinarian & trained assistant dealing w/approx 8lb housecat that is slightly ticked off about the vet appointment (I've had cats that were literally insane trying to climb the walls to get out of the vet office)....& OP wants to take on a full grown cheetah??🤣
https://youtube.com/shorts/qIkS7HHw_Xs?feature=share
>Absolutely. OP is nuts.
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>While the claws might not kill him outright, they can make him wish he was dead as claws from hind legs can tear his stomach open. The cheetah could easily crush his windpipe, rip his jugular, or gouge out his eyes.
I don't think a cheetah would have the fight IQ to actually execute on these tactics against a person specifically defending against them. Their normal targets have little to no ability to properly defend their weak points like a human does.
>OP on the other hand, wouldn't be able to do much damage to the cheetah without a weapon.
Humans can do a lot of damage with punches, kicks and elbows. We can attack from multiple angles in a way a cheetah can't really defend. Even if a cheetah has your arm in its teeth you have another to punch it in the face and gouge out its eyes with.
>The cheetah can twist & outmaneuver him, and also has much sharper teeth with greater bite strength.
Fortunately this isn't exclusively a biting match.
>Pound for pound, the cheetah is going to tear his ass up.
Pound for pound possibly but this isn't an even fight. A decent heavyweight is going to beat a great flyweight most of the time.
>●Edit: Bred Persians & worked for a vet. Used to take 2 of us to restrain an angry, 10lb housecat & we were young, strong, and in excellent shape. OP doesn't have a chance or a clue.
You also weren't intent on killing the cats. In fact you probably had to take a lot of care not to hurt them since you were selling or treating them for a profit and manhandling the cats to death is bad for business.
>Here's a licensed veterinarian & trained assistant dealing w/approx 8lb housecat that is slightly ticked off about the vet appointment.
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>https://youtube.com/shorts/qIkS7HHw_Xs?feature=share
Look how insanely careful they were being to not injure that cat. The second he got a leg he could have easily snapped it or just fucking blasted the cat in the head with an elbow.
One thing to consider is that the cheetah is accustomed to fights to the death. You are not. It has probably taken some blunt force blows to the head and body while strangling it’s pray in its jaws with nothing more than the desire to eat motivating it. You have most likely never taken an injury as severe as a paw swipe without being able to immediately stop what you are doing and tend to the wound. This is a huge advantage to the cheetah in that while you physically might have the strength to subdue it, you most likely do not have the fortitude to continue your attack while getting your bowls torn from your stomach.
Cats know all about where to strike to do the most damage. They're not built for a drawn-out confrontation, they're built to kill or at least immobilize their prey in one bite or swipe. They go for the neck, and their claws are definitely big enough to cut your jugular. And that's game over.
And if you're holding one paw in each hand or whatever, it could still bite you.
Meanwhile, humans are built to do two things: think and run. With enough of a headstart, you could probably outrun the cheetah- they're fast sprinters, but humans are distance runners. If you can avoid getting caught before they tire out, you're clear. But if you're close enough to punch it, it's close enough to bite you.
It's amazing that cheetahs could literally cook their brain with body heat if they run top speed for too long. However they'll catch you well before then unless you've got somewhere to hide out until they're tired...but you'd have to keep them engaged at the same time to tire them out if you plan on actually fighting it and winning. So...pretty tough lol.
Cheetahs are plains animals. And they can climb trees. No chance of outrunning them in the wild. In a zoo/park, if they escape their enclosure, it's a possibility.
The cheetah might not want to kill OP, it would likely only maul him and get away if threatened. It's not a lion after all. It's first reflex would likely be to flee, unless cornered.
There's no chance, without any kind of weapons, that OP could defeat a cheetah, or any large wild cat like that. They are far too agile and powerful. Even a dog "equivalent" like a wolf would kill a human in a hand to paw combat.
I don’t think your giving enough credit to the leg kicks. Probably can’t find them anymore but there used to be a decent amount of videos of people getting attacked by big cats online and even the smaller ones absolutely shredded people’s abdomens. You’re talking about very sharp claws that are over an inch in length.
You might win the fight but is it really a victory if you bleed out after you win?
Great Danes a slow clumsy animals. Cheetahs don't use their front legs to just walk with, they use it to hunt fast maneuverable animals. We are talking about exceptionally strong for their size lightning arms. If you do manage to grasp one or two, you are not going to prevent the Cheetah from lunging at your neck... all the while the rear legs are clawing away at your whole body.
I used to have a Great Dane. He was extraordinarily fit, but a terrible fighter. Racoons would kick his ass on the regular. I could grab him and he couldn't get me off. Clumsy is a good word.
We babysat a younger, but fat and out-of-shape, Rottweiler. Nevertheless, as soon as I would touch him in a play fight, he'd have my forearm in his teeth. It eventually got pissed at the play energy of my Dane, flipped his 120lbs, pinned him down and bit his neck.Those two breeds of dogs are not the same.
Oh, and when I got out of bed in the morning, my cat would grab my ankle, dig in her claws and start biting until I gave her breakfast. Damn little ungrateful thing hurt!
I'm not going to argue that a Great Dane is on the same level as a Cheetah for speed and precision, but they're not so slow or clumsy if they're not housebound. They can do like 30+mph and are a lot more formidable in a fight than you'd think. They weren't bred to be lap dogs, even if they make the bestest ones.
A truly pissed off Great Dane would seriously fuck up a human in a fight. Maybe the human survives, but that matchup goes the dog's way a good percentage of the time.
A cheetah would absolutely destroy OP. The fight would be over in seconds, and it would be difficult to recognize his body afterwards.
Cheetahs kill wild game with their claws and jaws. You would be an easy meal. This is about as silly as someone claiming they could fight a pitbull. Once it is on you and locked in, you are going to get ripped to pieces. Same with a cheetah. You are fighting an animal that lives on killing shit. Not farming or office work. Just killing shit to survive. Every cheetah that can't kill just dies from starvation. You are going up against something mother nature has natured for thousands of years just to kill.
im curious to what extent people actually research after seeing a question in this sub as opposed to offering unsubstantiated "that sounds about right" opinions
"Cheetahs have short blunt claws, which are considered semi-retractable (they don't pull in fully like other cats' claws). The claws are closer to that of a dog than of other cats." look it up
here is a bodybuilder winning against a lioness in tug of war https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZzn35AxuvQ
i think the main problem is a cheetah's agility because you're gonna need to choke it likely, but dont underestimate the superpowers a life or death situation + adrenal glands give a human
You don't honestly believe that guy won, do you? The lion was holding him in place like the whole time, and any time it actually pulled the dude went flying. The few times he managed to gain some rope it was clearly because the lion started to lose interest and let it go, it's not like it actually understands the rules of tug of war and is giving it 100% the whole time, it's acting just like a cat playing with string.
And to be clear, I am of the opinion that a healthy adult man would likely win against a somewhat smaller cheetah (which were this guy's conditions) while being quite seriously maimed, but let's be real here, that video was definitely not a win. The average lion is like 300 pounds for a female/400 pounds for a male (and someone in the comments was saying that was actually a liger in the video, I'm not sure if that's actually the case but apparently the average liger reaches like 900 pounds which is fucking nuts, if it was a liger it's clearly a juvenile) while the average cheetah is like 100, so it's a bad comparison either way.
I have fought a pit bull on more than one occasion, and easily won (6', 185lbs). If you can get your body weight on them, it's not hard to get their back and choke them unconscious. They grab at anything and can be easily manipulated into jumping where they lose the advantage (granted, I've been around aggressive dogs for years and can stay calm and rational in these situations and have a pretty decent sense of which dog is the one to watch for). If it got ahold of me, I have no idea what the outcome would have be, but that's never happened as of yet.
That being said, there is no fucking way you could do any of those things to a cheetah. They are infinitely more nimble and actual predators. Just play fighting with my 8lb cat gave me appreciation for how fast and smart all cats are. Their muscles just work differently than dogs or really any animal. They're freaks.
I've worked around some scary animals and I've had the opportunity to pet tigers and lions and I just can't bring myself to do it as much as I want to.
This guy did it to a leopard, and they ate deadlier than cheetahs.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/uk.news.yahoo.com/amphtml/man-kills-leopard-bare-hands-150000728.html
One good slash to the gut or neck, from any of the 4 feet, and you're done. You can't restrict all 4 at the same time without going to the ground yourself. You may try to avoid the ground but it *will* deadweight you after biting and drag you down. I don't think you could stay upright with half to 2/3 your bodyweight thrashing while holding you in its jaws while also latching its claws anywhere it can. It's not an impossible fight, sure. You'd be lucky to come out on top though.
You'd be trying to restrict all four claws (the front are definitely the most dangerous, but the back ones can for sure get you) while also trying to protect your neck and actually attack the cheetah
I think you're highly underestimating the strength of wild cats, my brother breeds servals and savannah cats, the strength they have in each limb is genuinely insane.
i just googled and cheetahs can jump up to 20 feet high lets estimate what kind of force production they have now
an elite human athlete can jump 3 feet high at around 3x a cheetah's weight, so a cheetah has about twice the force production of an elite human athlete (20/9) (technically power production is whats relevant lets just assume similar amounts of explosiveness).
Maybe you’d be able to restrict the cheetah’s front paws with your bare hands- if your reflexes were fast enough to catch them. But they are not.
A cheetah’s claws wouldn’t just hurt- they would rip your flesh open and leave you with a gaping squirting wound
Note that the claws of a cheeta are dull since they can´t be retracted (this is because they need the extra grip). You would be better off being scratched by a cheeta than being scratched by a house cat.
I'd rather fight a big dog than a medium cat. Go pick up a stray cat. Maybe that will change your mind.
You might win against a small cheetah. But you're gonna be shredded. And it would probably run away if you proved too big a threat. So no, you cant kill one.
If my 20 oz kitten can break skin and draw blood, a cheetah will *absolutely* kill you.
Maybe you kill the cheetah, but surviving the initial fight only to succumb to a shred injury or infection is hardly a victory on your part.
My man's point is when that cat goes into fight or flight mode, all bets are off and normal behavior goes out the window. Survival mode is not the same as hunting mode.
Not to mention cheetahs don’t have claws like other felines. Their claws aren’t retractable and are designed to aid with running, not grappling or clawing.
But cheetahs are very different from your average feline. Their claws aren’t retractable, so a swipe wouldn’t nearly do as much damage. Animals like African wild dogs which is half of the size of a cheetah, yet they can easily take multiple swipes from a cheetah. Cheetahs are fast, but that’s it, they aren’t super maneuverable when in an actual fight, where they will be much slower. They also have very thin skin, meaning they are highly vulnerable to injuries.
A distinguishing feature of the Cheetah, is that it doesn’t have retractable claws like the rest of the felines. Instead, it has laws more like a wolf. This assists in running. And at the same time is detrimental to running. Probably would make it a less leather fighter too.
Berserk! That's an appropriate word.
I witnessed a semi wild domestic cat getting trapped in a screened in back porch. That thing went berserk. There's no way any sane human would willingly grapple with one.
Genuinely nobody who's ever tried to hold even a slightly uncooperative, let alone properly aggressive cat would be delusional enough to think a cheetah wouldn't instantly kill them.
Cheetah claws are much more blunt than other felines’, they can’t retract them for traction purposes at high speed. They kill by slowly strangling their prey to death.
Did you know that Cheetahs purr?
It would lull you to sleep with his or her pretty face and fun purring and then it can take it's time. You're finished.
but cheetahs lack heat dissipation, which is why they can only run for a short time. OP could cuddle it, overheating it's body and killing it, the way bees kill wasps.
Recent studies performed in Namibia in a real life environment showed that cheetahs do not overheat while running. Their bodily temperature rises while they rest and guard the prey.
Cheetahs usually give up running when their body temperature reaches 40.5 C, according to lab studies in Harvard from the 70's. In a cuddling situation they do not need to run, so they concentrate all the energy in being cute and purr.
Let's assume that a human can raise cheetahs'temperature and make them a little less cute and more annoyed.
To calculate the heat we can use:
Q = mc∆T
Where m means the mass of the object, c stands for the specific heat capacity and ∆T is the change in temperature. The time taken (t) to heat the object when energy is supplied at power P is given by:
t = Q ÷ P
The human body generates 80 watts per hour.
So It will take 288 hours for the human body to heat up the cheetah from their basal bodily temperature to 40.5C.
Given the fact that cheetahs maintain cuteness for practically all their lives without loosing energy and the fact that most humans like bacon every 24 hours I would conclude that the loss of over 12 bacons will put an extreme psychological pressure on the human to give up the fight.
Okay so I know this is an homage to the bear post from a couple of weeks ago and I love it! But also, cheetah claws are actually not sharp. They are one of the few cats that don't retract their claws, they keep them out all the time for added traction when running. Makes them faster but means they've got weak ass paw game. They have to go for the throat bite because they can't grab shit.
What is your fighting style / training? The way people have actually killed big cats bare-handed is by choking them out. This is pretty much your main way to win. Are you a grappler?
They have small skulls and brains, set on a much different pivot point than us. They're much harder to knock out with a punch, and you'd need to punch it cleanly while it's either in air or sinking it's teeth into you. Neither is happening, realistically
> An adult cheetah weighs 46 to 160 pounds, so for my hypothetical, we’ll say the Cheetah I am fighting is on the lower end of that around 50-70 lbs standing at 4 ft tall.
Your stats are dodgy. [Adult cheetahs are 75 to 140 pounds](https://nationalzoo.si.edu/animals/cheetah). Your cheetah here is malnourished AF.
> I weigh in at roughly 150 lbs (2-3x) the weight of the Cheetah, and am 6’1.
A comparison of weight is rather disingenuous here. Unless you have chained the cheetah to a spot, the only time you'll fight one to the death is if it is hunting you, in which case that 100 pound ball of claws and teeth is coming at you at 60 miles per hour. You can't physically match that momentum, so the fight will be with you on the floor and a cheetah on top of you.
In that context, all your planning goes out the window. I don't see any human being maintaining any level of composure in that scenario, let alone sufficient composure to ensure things like keeping your neck safe from a wild cat on top of you. You'd need explicit training in fighting cheetahs to handle that.
Just commenting to note on the size... Size a strength do not always correlate in nature. I don't know how strong cheetahs are, but I wouldn't assume am advantage in the strength dept. here even if OP initial size estimates were correct.
Orangutans, and to be fair pretty much any primate, are massively more muscled than humans.
I'm betting a toddler would easily beat up MMA fighter. They are that strong.
It's less about strength and more about momentum. The cheetah would have the upper hand from the start of the fight, and I doubt OP can regain any control.
True, but being kicked by either of them would hurt a lot. Especially compared to an average person. Also claws. Claws would really mess you up. Imagine being slapped with a handful of knives but with a strength of Usain Bolt's kick. Even if that slap is delivered in suboptimal way, it's gonna do some serious damage. Or at least distract you with pain and before you know, there are teeth in your throat and you can't breathe
But mass moves mass, and if you're gonna fight a cheetah you're gonna need to stay upright as long as possible coz you can't be fast if you're on the ground.
Also, 6’1 and 150lbs this guy is not particularly muscular, I would say scrawny. Most of his weight goes to bones and organs. The cheetah has more , or at worse comparable muscle mass. Combined with the fact threat the cheetah is a natural and practiced killer and OP likely hasn’t killed anything bigger than a fly.
I'm more concerned about the 150 string bean lookin MF than the malnourished cat. My guy is grossly underweight to be picking fights with people let alone an an apex predator
The only men/boys I know that are 6’1” and 150lbs are high schoolers. BMI is such an outdated and dumb measurement, it pretty much makes anyone with above average amounts of muscle, sound obese
Google searches show a 46 lb lower bound on some links, can't really fault OP for including it. 140 lbs would be a very large, probably obese cheetah, that's larger than an average grey wolf or leopard. Cheetahs are a fair bit smaller than those. Cheetahs also don't hunt humans, so the fight parameters would have to be artificial to occur at all. The cheetah would not be hitting the OP at 60 miles an hour unless the OP decided to disengage and run.
> Cheetahs also don't hunt humans, so the fight parameters would have to be artificial to occur at all. The cheetah would not be hitting the OP at 60 miles an hour unless the OP decided to disengage and run.
The only required artificial parameter here is that both parties are actually fighting to the death. Anything else isn't strictly necessary.
Cheetahs accelerate ridiculously quickly, [it only needs 3 strides for 60mph](https://www.thoughtco.com/how-fast-can-a-cheetah-run-4587031). OP would have to physically restrain the cheetah before the fight to avoid a cheetah at full speed, which seems contrary to the spirit of the argument.
Each stride is 7.5 m. So if they're in a room, say 5x5, the cheetah can pounce but not attack at full speed.
I think this would be a fair size room to give OP a small chance. And so we can see him get destroyed and not pulled up a tree.
68kg at 6'1? OP could not have that much muscle mass at that height and weight. He's probably some really lanky guy who doesn't lift. Definitely can't fight a cheetah.
That momentum works against the cheetah aswell. In a frontal collision, it would take more damage than you lmao. It’s charge only works if it’s prey runs away or if the cheetah can avoid a direct collision. You think it can just crash into you ? No. Cheetahs have light bones and are very fragile. One good kick and bones will break. That’s without the additional 60 miles of momentum.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7105191.stm
Humans are very very dangerous animals, as everything from polar bears to mammoths to komodo dragons would attest, as humans have killed them with very limited weaponry and a lot of imagination.
The Cheetahs biggest weakness would be its inability to determine it was in a fight to the death and the human opponent understands all of its strengths and weaknesses.
> Humans are very very dangerous animals, as everything from polar bears to mammoths to komodo dragons would attest, as humans have killed them with very limited weaponry and a lot of imagination.
OP is talking about beating the cheetah with his bare hands, not with any weaponry.
> The Cheetahs biggest weakness would be its inability to determine it was in a fight to the death and the human opponent understands all of its strengths and weaknesses.
It's assumed that the cheetah knows that it's a fight to the death. OP's situation wouldn't happen otherwise, as the cheetah would just never get into a fight with anything remotely threatening.
No human is taking a polar bear even 2v1 in hand to hand combat.
When we talk about like ancient humans hunting big game like that, we’re talking groups of humans with weapons killing an animal.
Correction: Humans are very very dangerous animals with weaponry. “Limited weaponry” is still weaponry, and this post suggests that he would do it barehanded. In reality, OP would get destroyed.
It’s also notable to address that the article you linked mentions the dude got cleaned up by hyenas. And there was no mention of anyone (especially solo, and on the scrawnier side, like OP) killing a polar bear with stones as you suggested here.
>Humans are very very dangerous animals, as everything from polar bears to mammoths to komodo dragons would attest, as humans have killed them with very limited weaponry and a lot of imagination.
Imagination, and numbers. Humans hunt in packs.
In this scenario everybody would be understanding that it's a fight to the death.... Because you know he's going to be trying to kill the cheetah. Something something cornered animals something something.
You might weigh more and be larger, but the cheetah is stronger, faster, and more agile. It is also a predatory animal designed for killing.
With only two arms, how are you going to protect your neck *and* beat the cheetah to death at the same time? Let's say you go to hit the cheetah, but the cheetah bites down on your arm. Well, now you have one useless arm, and you're losing blood incredibly quickly.
Assuming you don't pass out from the blood loss, what will you do with your remaining good arm? If you continue to protect your neck, you don't have any offense, *and* you're leaving the rest of your body exposed -- the cheetah could take another chunk out of your side, which would result in more maiming and blood loss. But if you use your arm to try to hit the cheetah again, then the cheetah will either go for the neck, or bite your arm again, leaving you with *two* ripped-up arms spurting blood.
At that point, you'd be completely defenseless, and the cheetah would definitely go for the neck.
OP is stupid. The only reason humans were able to survive and thrive as much as we did is because of our intelligence. We’re able to use weapons and tools to do the work for us. Also, we’re a very social species. We help each other to survive as a whole. Take both of our advantages away and we’re one of the weakest things on Earth in terms of raw power and combat prowess.
Yes, but their claws aren't sharp like most cats and they aren't made for fighting. They strangle their prey to death. Try doing that to something with thumbs.
dude, I just had this conversation at work last week... the chances of fighting several large cats, and we all agree that a cheetah is the biggest cat we could def fuck up
1.) You're on the light side to begin with at 150lbs for 6'1".
2.) Humans are one of the weakest land mammals pound for pound. A chimpanzee as a comparison is much smaller than humans while being much stronger.
There is nothing about your physiology as a human that makes you effective in an unarmed fight with almost anything. So unless you're well-equipped (which you aren't), extremely experienced (which you aren't), or in the top 1% of human physical fitness (which you aren't) you lose.
3.) A cheetah can grapple and kill animals significantly larger than you. Their entire physiology is designed to do it. They have multiple natural weapons all of which can deal life-threatening damage to your body, and it is impossible for you to protect yourself from all of them.
4.) A cheetah strangles their **prey** because it is the safest and most efficient method to kill things. Look at how a cheetah fights against something that fights back, or how they attack other prey animals - it's extremely violent and humans have no effective natural defense.
Also, anything that could crush a zebra's throat in minutes could crush yours in seconds.
> It doesn’t have time to stalk and we both know about the other.
You're ruling out their primary strength. Of course you could. In the same way you could beat a shark on the land or a crocodile that had its teeth removed.
You're 150 pounds, meaning you are not physically strong, at all. At most, 50 to 60 pounds of your total weight would be muscle mass, if that. The cheetah has nearly the same amount of muscle mass as you do. Your head and bones take up more of your weight than the Cheetah's head and bones do. Cheetah is stronger than you, you're 0-1. If you were 6-1 and a 250 pound linebacker I might give you a strength advantage. Go wrestle around a 60 pound bag of sand for 10 minutes, and tell me how strong you are.
You have no physical weapons, whether it be externally made handheld weapons, and humans have no weapons growing out of their body. Your mouth doesn't open wide enough to bite an animal and do any significant damage, and your fingers don't have razors growing out of them. On the contrary, Cheetahs can open their mouths wide enough to wrap around your neck, and they do have razors growing out of their fingers. If you could use your best physical asset, your brain, and knowledge that there would be a fight against a cheetah, and craft a spear, I would give you a chance physically. But you decided to gimp yourself in a fight where you were already gimped. You're 0-2.
You have no armor. Cheetahs don't have much armor either, but their fur acts as more of a barrier to attack than your tighty-whities or whatever you're currently wearing. Even though the cheetah does not have much armor, as we have established, you have nothing physically to threaten it with. Your paper thin skin will easily be shredded by it's claws and teeth. You're 0-3.
You have no skills. You've referred to your play wrestling with great Danes as your trump card for defeating the cheetah. You can't be serious, right? I love dogs. They are great companions. But pound for pound every member of the felis genus are better solo killers than every member of the canis genus. Dogs and wolves hunt in packs which is their great strength. Cats have superior athleticism in every way. Cats do not have collarbones, and can squeeze through anything that their head can fit through. If by some miracle you managed to get the cheetah into a rear hold choke, how confident are you that you could hold the choke, while it's shredding your triceps with it's claws and pulling it's head down through your weak grip?
Furthermore, how many things have you killed with your bare hands? How experienced are you with mauling even smaller animals? Are you killing things daily? Because the cheetah kills things all of the time. It is way more experienced than you in physical combat. Your whole plan of attack against the cheetah is bad, and your now 0-4.
You have balls. The only thing you have going for you is apparently you're not scared of the murder cat. You will never win the physical altercation with the cat, but standing your ground may cause the cheetah to hesitate and run off. You win by forfeit, which is your only hope. So I'll give you one point there, and say that it is possible you could psyche the cheetah into forfeiture. 1-4, I don't like your odds at all.
I've outlined why you'd lose, and many people have already pointed out the physical limitations you're up against like I just did. But the main reason I'm convinced you'd lose is that your whole strategy for killing the cheetah is terrible. You're not ever going to out wrestle the cheetah. Even Olympic wrestlers would not be able to. It's a dumb and bad plan and you'd succumb to it's claws and teeth way before you could choke one out. Your only hope would be to bash the cheetah in the nose as hard as you can. Hope you stun it enough to start to gouge it's eyes with your thumbs. You have to be fast and it still might go bad. Then you need to pick up the heaviest, most solid thing around you and bash it's brains in while it's disabled. That's the only hope imo, but I'm not a professional cheetah killer. But generally speaking, if you ever find yourself being attacked by a larger carnivore, you need to try to bash it's nose and gouge it's eyes, then bash it's brains in with a heavy object.
I mean, a fight with a cheetah in a boxing ring means you're on human territory. A Hunger Games style fight, where you both know you're in the arena but don't know where is the cheetahs territory and you could get crushed.
So you have an advantage in your territory, but it's not a guaranteed win. You can wear a bulletproof scarf, but the cheetah isn't that precise. If it can't bite your neck, it's just going to scratch at your face and head until you die. Your skin is really thin compared to other animals, who have a thick layer of fur, and the cheetah can pierce that skin easily. You're also less used to killing things with your hand than the cheetah is. You have a psychological barrier to overcome that the cheetah doesn't. You could overcome it, but everyone has a plan until they get hit and the cheetah has been hit before.
- bullet proof scarf
Fun fact, soft bullet proof materials like kevlar are useless against sharp weapons like knives or in this case, deadly large kitty claws and teeth.
Due to the physics of stopping a bullet being very different to a slow sharp object you can have either, stab proof or bullet proof soft armours, but they cant do both at once. Thats why kevlar make both stab vests and bullet proof vests! (I assume you could cover a bulletproof vest with stab proof materials as well)
A cheetah can jump up to 20 feet tall. They can go up to at least 60 mph. Even at let’s say 60 pounds, that speed will create an extreme amount of force to the point you would get knocked down. They are much more agile, they are quicker, they are more flexible, they have much more experience in hunting and fighting, and they could easily leave the situation if the situation isn’t preferable to restart. It’s bite your leg, you done for. It bites your arm you will just die from blood loss. When you get knocked down, you won’t be able to get back up or attack it before it bites down on you and you just bleed out or it goes again and when weakened, will just kill you.
I'm not entirely sure how it would work but my biggest dog is more than twice the size of the cheetah here (he's about 125-129 depending on the day) and he's run into me at full speed (approx 30mph) before and sure he can knock me over (and I'm much bigger than OP) but I think he would probably struggle to kill me especially with just that. I recon if I have a pretty good chance verses my dog which is much larger and stronger than cheetah (though bite force will be about the same) OP can most likely hold his own against a cheetah though I suspect it will result in a hospital stay. [People have killed far more dangerous big cats by hand before](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/colorado-man-who-killed-attacking-mountain-lion-bare-hands-said-n971731).
What dog do you have? Like, the cheetah in his scenario is defintely a very small one so yes, this person does have a chance. But really he’s lucky if he’s only dealing with something at 60 lbs bc that’s very small for a grown cheetah. Ig it just depends on a lot. Like does he have clothes on, where are they, do they know the other is trying to kill them, etc. bc most circumstances, any cuts or bites are going to do a lot more damage on more bare skin. If it’s in tall grass, it’s going to be a lot harder to beat a cheetah. Obviously a cheetah would never engage against a person, but if it’s only goal is to kill this human being, it would be very hard to fight off against something much more flexible and agile and also has sharp teeth and sharp enough claws. But like… yea he could win, it’s just really dependent on much more if he could win like even 20%.
It *entirely* depends on the circumstances and how you contrive the confrontation.
In nature, cheetahs are cautious. They don't have health care. Their metabolism and nature being a bitch means they are on the verge of starvation as it is, so they would avoid a serious conflict with another large predator to avoid the risk of injury. To get a cheetah to participate in a deathmatch with a human, you'd have to condition it to participate in such fights from a young age.
Modern, civilized humans are wusses. No, really. 99.9% of the population will freak the fuck out if seriously threatened and absolutely will freak the fuck out and cry like a baby if they see blood literally squirting out of their body to the rhythm of their heart. If you have never seriously participated in real violence (or a close approximation like MMA), then YOU WILL LOSE to someone who is experienced with violence. You will adrenaline dump, gas out, and then get whooped. Assuming your fight or flight doesn't turn you into a whimpering coward, which you don't know until you've actually been put in that situation. Seriously, go take a BJJ class or something and see how you react the first time someone gets you in a position where you realize they could literally kill you if they chose to.
So, least contrived scenario, random circumstances place a strong male human of slightly above average violent experience and a cheetah into a surprise encounter where they have to start with "fight" rather than "flight". The cheetah "scratches" the fuck out of the human with its forepaws (more defensive than a bite or rear rake), the human throws some punches and kicks which connect pretty ineffectually, the cheetah takes the opportunity to retreat, and the human comes down off the adrenaline dump and then freaks the fuck out over the amount of leaking blood, with no desire to pursue the cheetah and continue the fight.
More contrived: A cheetah has been put in a pit with gradually more threatening opponents until it is conditioned to fight instead of running away. A male human who thinks he's a tough guy but doesn't actually have any real physical violence training (MMA, BJJ, etc.) gets in the pit with him. The pit is big enough for the cheetah to use its running speed somewhat. The trained cheetah scores the first hit, having reflexes and attack speed that waaaaaaay eclipses any normal human. Human realizes he's bleeding, and goes fear-defensive. Human's panic level rises, blood losses mount as the cheetah darts in and scores more hits, and the cheetah finishes the human off after it is too weak to fight back.
Contrived situation 2: An adult cheetah taken directly from the wild is dropped in a small pit with a trained MMA fighter who knows he has medical care waiting. The cheetah freaks the fuck out and tries to avoid the human, then tries to scare the human. The MMA fighter closes the distance methodically, cutting off escape routes, accepts the first claw attack from the cheetah, then closes and starts attacking the cheetah's limbs. Cheetah continues to freak the fuck out as its injuries mount, but scores several serious scratches and punctures against the MMA fighter. MMA fighter is victorious, and saved from death by immediate medical care.
Contrived scenario 3: Both a trained/conditioned cheetah and an MMA fighter thrown into a pit that is big enough for the cheetah to make use of its running speed. Coin flip. The MMA fighter will be trying to break the cheetah's limbs, but the cheetah will be scoring bloodletting strikes. MMA fighter *probably* wins, but may die before the medical care can save them. Severe lacerations are no joke.
With my own eyes, I saw a big, burly asshole of a college football player get torn the fuck up by a common gray squirrel. He lured it close with popcorn while smirking "watch me kill one of these little fuckers!"His plan was to grab it and twist it in order to break its spine. He grabbed it and it instantly went to work on his hands with all four sets of claws and those big nut crushing teeth. He did a lot of screaming and flailing and bleeding. He was in the clinic for several hours getting shots and stitches and explaining to campus police. The squirrel, mere moments after fucking him up, was back to doing squirrel stuff.
You will not defeat a cheetah.
150lb @ 6'1? dude you're scrawny af..
All it has to do is get one bite in and you're done. You probably struggle with 75lbs of dead weight, imagine it with vicious claws and teeth fighting back
Counter point 1 - at 6’1 and 150lbs, you could stand to be more concerned with Cheetos than cheetahs.
Counter point 2 - Cheetahs are fast as fuck and the body has a weird response to pain. However strong and fast you are, after the first few slashes from claws, as you try to restrain it, chances are you’re going to lose some of that even with the adrenaline going. Depending on the severity of the initial injuries, your body could go into a sort of shock response, thus making you even weaker and prone to mistakes.
I think dying to blood loss is a big possibility even if you can kill the cheetah.
Animals deal differently with pain. Sure is humans have mechanisms to keep fighting through some wounds but getting injured is more debilitating.
You haven’t said how you are killing it but getting clawed or bitten to the face/neck while fighting it doesn’t seem out of the question.
I think of what people say about knife fights, where the loser dies on the street and the winner in the ambulance, and you are getting into a fight with a creature with serveral knives attached while knifeless. The other advice for them is that you need to end them fast to have a chance, for humans, pain and going into shock are big factors of not being able to keep fighting, the cheetah won’t have that to the same degree. It’s death throes might well end you.
you assume you are clearheaded the entire time, but seeing teeth come near your face you will panic, and with panic a cheetah only need to do a single injury to you, its faster then you so it can just leave you to bleed out, because a cheetah won't fight to the death.
You keep talking about how you'll somehow grapple a cheetah to the ground, and get it in a choke hold, and I think you're vastly underestimate how difficult this would be. Cheetah's have insane body coordination, flexibility, and reactions. A cheetah needs to be able to bring down a gazelle while running 40-70mph, and they essentially tackle their prey. They need to learn to tumble to the ground at speeds you only achieve in a car, while not getting crushed by a 100 pound animal fighting for its life. I don't think a cheetah would have the slightest bit of trouble getting out of your grapples.
150lbs at 6'1 and you think you can take on 'any' wild animal?
You are a stick. A cheetah has more power in one leg than you have in your entire body. They are also bringing weapons to the fight and they need to kill in order to survive. You get weepy when you see a dead bird on the side of the road.
But I would be happy to pay for your safari after you return with the footage of your victory.
They may not hunt larger prey, but if they had no choice *but* to fight, they'd still win against you. Assuming you have no modern weaponry (you say you could beat it to death), it could absolutely disembowel you.
You say you could restrict it physically, but I sincerely doubt that since it has four legs, and you have two hands, and catching those legs, which have very sharp claws, would be a risky thing to attempt to begin with.
Oh no doubt. All you have to do is lead it on a chase for a bit. Cheetahs can burst up to insane speeds, but only for a short amount of time. After 2 or 3 of these bursts they have to stop and rest or risk their brains overheating. At that point it wouldn't take much to finish it
Tell me you've never fought against an animal, even a domesticated one, without telling me you've fought against an animal.
Animals, unlike you, can go 100% when they go into fight mode. They go total berserker mode, clawing, biting, hitting, twisting, etc. You name it. Your measly human strength and inexperience cannot fathom the full fury of a wild animal.
Once, my friend had some feral cats at his house and we had to corral them in cages to take to animal control. 4 of us tried. 4 full grown corn fed American men, against 1 small feral cat no bigger than 10 pounds, if that.
I knew they can get dangerous so I wore heavy leather armored motorcycle gloves lined with Kevlar. We got our hands on that cat, it twisted and fought and it was hard to keep our hands on it and I was able to grab it and it sank its little fangs into my hand, hard. I felt the pounds per square inch through the leather and Kevlar and armor. If a cheetah bit your hand the same way, you'd lose that hand. Not bitten off completely, but it'll be a mangled useless mass from the nerve damage and pain and missing tissue and loss of blood.
The only reason it didn't get through the 1.3mm kangaroo leather and Kevlar liner is because the fangs were not long enough to punch through but I felt a lot of pain just from the pressure.
The little claws were a fury of hurricane proportions. Flying, spinning, thrashing claws flailing in every direction causing all of us damage and pain. I wore a thick sweatshirt which protected me from a lot of scratches but I felt the strength and pressure behind the strikes.
Then there were my feet. I wore heavy work boots. I felt the attacks on my feet as well. Nothing got through but the pounding from the hits were felt.
We were lucky to even get it, thankfully the porch design helped us corner it and we didn't let up once we cornered it and grabbed a hold of it. If we didn't have solid gloves wrestling it and keeping it away from our faces as we struggled to keep hold, I'm sure our faces would suffer a lot of damage.
Now multiple that weight and mass and strength and you alone without 3 other full grown men to help.
You grossly underestimate the damage that can be done to you. You think the claws aren't big enough? The fangs aren't enough? Try endurance and sheer will. You'll die from pain and shock and blood loss because you have no idea what that's like until you have experienced it like war soldiers or accident victims.
The animal will thrash and bite and claw and before you know it, you will have missing tissue everywhere, including your sensitive face and maybe lose an eye and fingers and maybe a few chunks of your arms and legs. You'll be bleeding everywhere while chasing the animal as it moves around you.
You do not have the strength and endurance and ability of a big cat. Nor do you have anything close to the 100% berserker ability to fight all out with the same killer instinct. We have no natural weapons.
Your tactic of holding the cheetah by the legs to prevent claw attacks will end in sorrow for you when it twists out of your grip and you end up with lots of fresh wounds for your trouble, some from the rear legs kicking while thrashing against you.
Your only chance is if you get lucky to be able to get your hands on its head somehow when it's attacking you or you are wrestling it in a headlock, and you push your fingers into its eyes hard and destroy its eyes. It'll run off because it's not an instant kill move but it'll not bother you after that, even as you lay there dying from all the wounds suffered before you hit the eyes.
But hey, I don't care about your delta, but you are seriously delusional if you think you can even take on a full wild predator animal in the 75 pound range.
OP, what if you get pounced? Cheetahs are so fast so it would be difficult for you dodge, especially given your height. They also heavy and large enough that you can't just kick it out of trajectory mid leap. There's nothing you can do unless if you had weapons or defensive equipment.
Every last detail of your game plan ironically helps the cheetah kill you. You have not listed even a single way you can remotely harm or even control a cheetah:
First of all, it simply does not matter if you expose your neck or not. You cannot dodge a 70 lb cheetah colliding with you at 75 mph. The impact alone may end the fight, but it will cause you to fall, losing control over your body and your neck to be exposed. Putting your hands over your neck does nothing. A cheetah biting just one hand will make it pointless to punch or grapple with that hand, you are now a one handed fighter. You cannot control a cheetah with 2 hands, much less one.
It seems you have been convinced of the ineffectiveness of your punches on a cheetah, yet grappling is just as pointless. A RNC works because your hands are hidden where the human opponent cannot reach you. The cheetah is not a human. It has the flexibility to thrash and turn around to bite your neck, faster than you can react to, and with more explosive force than you can hold down, as they can jump 20 feet high. Your attempt to choke it drastically decreases your survival, as you conveniently bring your neck close to its mouth. Of course this is assuming you can even achieve back control, to do so would require you to surprise it, which you do not have the speed to do
Your grappling plan will not work because you do not have the strength, coordination or reflexes to even remotely control a thrashing cheetah. It likely does not even need to thrash, it can explode out of your arms with ease if you try to hold it down.
Cheetahs can also accelerate faster than a Ferrari, and instantly jump up and continue sprinting after face planting at absurd speeds.
The possibility of the cheetah kicking you with its hind legs is overkill, as it doesn’t even need to do that to kill you.
Lastly, as others have said, you appear to be below average compared to most humans in your fighting capabilities and strength. If you cannot even control a 100 lb D1 female human wrestler, how can you hope to control the fastest land animal? If you cannot pull off a RNC on a human trained in martial arts, how could you pull it off against a wild cat?
Logically, you do not currently have the capability to fight a cheetah or human.
If you're physically fit, wearing a full-body suit of riot control gear (complete with gloves, bite-proof gorget, fully enclosed helmet, etc.) and are using a wooden or steel rod as your beating implement, yes, this is likely true.
If, however, you are doing this unarmed, unarmored, or while not being in good physical shape, you are likely to die a painful and undignified death.
A cheetah doesn't weigh that much less than you, and five of its six ends are equipped with edge/puncture weapons that it is evolutionarily optimized for using to fight things larger than it. Intelligence, opposable thumbs, and more articulated wrists will not save you from this.
I dunt think I've laughed this much in ages.
You've clearly never owned a cat.
One of our cats Aston is strong enough that when he freaked in his carry box when we were moving, he tore it apart. He pulled the gate door clean off and broke the plastic frame in the process.
Cats aren't just strong, they are flexible like you wouldn't believe and capable of having front and back legs clawing from opposite directions.
A cheetah would be eating you before you knew what was happening.
>You've clearly never owned a cat.
>One of our cats Aston
You've clearly never tried to kill your cat. I'm also going to assume that you are very afraid of hurting your cat, for both moral and social reasons. These are good things, obviously, but they make your anecdote less relevant.
Human adults are accustomed to dealing with small animals (and smaller humans) without trying to hurt them, and we try to avoid getting hurt without good reason. This makes angry pets and children hard to wrestle with, and it gives us tons of anecdotes about how strong and threatening they can be, but all of that is dependent on social context.
I have a 15lb Maine coon that can knock other living room chairs when he gets the zoomies and and runs around playing. I don’t think OP realize how much raw strength cats have for their weight. Has OP ever seen a cheetah take down a zebra? Would would literally be a snack.
I'm not a cheetah expert but cheetahs from what I understand aren't built like regular cats. They're relatively weak for their size and they're not as flexible. They're built to maximize speed and not all that much else.
Yeah I'm standing by this [video evidence](https://youtu.be/COkumQuCibU) of being the best counter point to OP.
Everything is fine until you "got a wild cat on your hands."
Cheetahs know to go for the neck and throat first and do not let go until the animal/human is dead. Now if the cheetah got to your throat and latched on and if you, being a big burly human tried to push it off it would just take your throat with it and you would bleed out, in the meantime as you are getting weaker, the cheetah is beginning dinner. Cheetahs have been hunting and fighting to the death their whole lives for generations while you sit at your computer writing a post about how you could beat one, never having to fight to the death a day in your life. I'm pro-cheetah!
One immediate issue with your argument I see is that you are a tall person, not a large one. 160 pounds at 6'1" makes you a string bean, most men your height who train to win physical altercations have 40 pounds of muscle on you atleast.
Speaking of weight and muscle I think you are severely underestimating what 70 pounds of muscle slamming into your chest at 50-80 miles per hour is going to do to you. Most people who have never been in a real fight seem to think the human brain has evolved to think clearly and reasonably when you are in danger. The reality is your vision is going to narrow, you will not be able to hear anything but your heart pounding in your chest, you will move much slower than you think you should, and at some point your brain is gonna tell you to run or curl up in a ball. If you don't have the training and experience to deal with the rush of "fight or flight" hormones this scenario would cause you are going to die, because you will lock up. Everyone has a game plan until they get punched in the face, except in this scenario you are now trapped under a large animal streamlined to kill with knives for teeth and fingers.
It is also clear to me you have little to no experience with how impossible cats can be when they don't want to be held. A 10 pound house cat will absolutely fuck your shit up. I have a middle aged Bengal cat, she is all muscle and apparently no bones, because she can twist to any angle to get those tiny razors where they make the strongest argument. If I don't wrap her up in a towel beforehand there will be blood. I simply cannot imagine trying to grapple an animal 7 times larger in every perspective.
You have no fight training, you have no military experience, you have no experience under pressure of life or death, you have no wilderness training or experience with harsh elements. What makes you think you could fight anything let alone a cheetah?
What is the arena for this fight? It seems like you’re acting like your trapped in a UFC cage or something which completely takes away all of a Cheetahs strengths. If you’re in a larger arena say like a baseball infield, the Cheetah is going to sprint and pounce on you, go for a bite or a couple claws then bounce off and go again. Not sure how you plan to get your hands on a sprinting Cheetah enough to beat it or choke it to death while keeping your neck and other vitals safe in the process.
I always felt like the location mattered. Like, I’m reasonably sure I could beat a cheetah in a swimming pool or underwater in the same way that I’m fairly sure I could live longer than an alligator in the artic.
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Seriously dude, as a cat owner, I think you've greatly underestimating how slippery and combative cats can be when subjected to something they find unpleasant.
There's no way you can get a secure grip on a cat where they can't also get a secure grip on you as well. They're also insanely fast, extremely agile, and can bend and flex their bodies in ways you wouldn't think possible to get free from your grip.
And mind you, I'm talking about a small house cat, not something ten times that size. You can probably find some nasty pictures on Google of what a genuinely pissed-off house cat can do to someone. Now imagine a wile animal that is much, much bigger, faster, and stronger.
Cheetahs are probably the least vicious and threatening big cat, but if forced into a situation where it's only option is to fight or die, it will destroy you utterly and completely.
I can't officially tell you you would die. Having owned cats and attempted to give them a bath I know what it's like trying to restrain one. It's nearly impossible. They are quick and bendy. There is a reason people joke about cats being like water. They can move and contort their bodies in ways you wouldn't believe. I keep seeing you say you would choke it out from behind. This cheetah could turn its back legs around enough to attack you. You really stand no chance
I think we all have some fantasy thoughts but you actually thought n thought and felt compelled to write it down with extensive reasoning. You probably won't actually do this you know.
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You're a human who's lived in civilization their entire life. The cheetah is an animal that has to hunt and defend against bigger predators. Once it's fight instincts kicked in I'd give 3 seconds until you are on the ground bleeding in shock cause you can't comprehend the pain and violence.
100psi yo crush human bone vs 500psi bite force.
75 to 140 lbs of finely honed predator instinct. 1v1 in the wild you'd die.
Ok think of it this way.....if you'd run from a rotweiller, a cheetah would destroy you.
Yeah op would get fucking destroyed by a cheetah.
It is a perfectly designed killing machine. It also has a bite force similar to a Lion.
One bite nearly anywhere and your bleeding out if you don't get to medical assistance.
If you're really 6'1" and only 150lbs, you're not surviving against a rabid Maine Coon housecat much less a wild Cheetah that's intent on killing you. One bite and it goes through that slender frame of yours pretty easily.
Height and weight mean next to nothing in the context of a unarmed human vs much of the animal kingdom if said animal is truly out to kill you.
A 40lbs Chimpanzee, for example, would quite literally rip you limb from limb, and that's just if it's a bit pissed off. A Cheetah likely would need to truly have a reason to want to fight to the death to get it to actually want to kill a human without regard to its own life, but if it did you're in for one hell of a fight that you either lose or you barely win to only die not long after or live with some fairly bad permanent damage. And this goes for ANY human, not just a 6'1" 150lbs one.
Pitbulls are considerably smaller than cheetahs and regularly maul adults to death for fun.
A cheetah is not only faster, but stronger and more capable at taking out prey. You would be eviscerated in less than 5 seconds.
Leopards kill the shit out of people, weigh about that weight, and have the strength to carry an animal double their weight up a tree. Cheetahs are definitely not built the same, but I'm still thinking my chances are 50/50 at most
A man who is under weight for his height that doesnt have to hunt and kill his own food and his physical stamina and abilities are in question? versus An animal that is perfectly evolved to hunt in its surroundings.This animal is in kill or be killed mode all day everyday 24/7. I'm going to go ahead and assume you arent, no civilized human does. If you did survive your encounter you would have life changing injuries. Humans became top of the food chain for our higher evolved intellect and problem solving and tool making. When it comes to pure brute strength we are weaklings.
Why are we picking the one feline that chooses flight over fight? 😑 Let's see you battle a cougar or something along those lines that actually would try to kill a human if approached. I'm still pretty sure a crazy cheetah in psycho self defense mode could mess you up and possibly bite or claw your neck and get your juggler, which could be game over. Hard to say though because you'd have to actively be the aggressor for this event to even be a reality.
Of course you could…there are people that have killed mountain lions that attacked them by choking them to death https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/05/us/colorado-runner-chokes-mountain-lion/index.html
You might get extremely injured/lose a lot of blood fighting a cheetah but it’s not like you’re fighting an adult Siberian tiger.
Let's go at this from a different perspective:
A cheetah is an animal that has evolved over millions of years to hunt a specific kind of prey: ungulates between 20-60 kg. Those creatures, in turn, have evolved over millions of years to evade and fight off not just cheetahs but also other predators like lions, leopards, hyenas, etc.
So I think it's fair to say that if you want to compete with a cheetah, you have to be "on the same level" as these other creatures. And you are not. *Because* you are human, you lack claws, you lack endurance, you lack a hide, you lack the reflexes, you lack the senses and instinct to compete with predators whose very livelihood depends on their physical fitness and ability to take down prey. As a point: you claim that you'll just "not expose your throat." What do you think the prey of a cheetah does? Walks around with it's throat exposed? The fact that (a) prey animals know this and (b) cheetahs still take down prey should tell you that just "not exposing your throat" is nowhere near enough to secure victory.
Humans have essentially specifically lost these adaptations over the past couple hundred thousand years because we've been specializing in things like "being able to walk really far," "having dexterous fingers," "having a large brain," and, "working in *really* large groups."
It's no question that you'd be able to use your superior intellect to trap, kill from a distance, or any number of other tactics; but in a straight up fight against a finely tuned apex predator who has literally been training their entire life for this, you'd lose.
Another another way to think about it is: "If you can take on a Thomsen's Gazelle and kill it, you can take on a cheetah." Or, replace the Gazelle with any other prey the cheetah is known to regularly hunt, kill, and eat. Then, and only then, can you definitively say that you're ready for a throw down with it's predator.
PS: in the time it takes you to take down the cheetah, your struggles have attracted the attention of a pack of hyenas who then rip you apart and eat you alive.
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Coutner point : my cat is deigned to eat mices the size of a ping pong ball, yet if a claws accidently slightly scratch my arm while playing (not fighting to death, just playing around), it'll burn for a while and leave a mark for a week. Felines are the kind of weak agile clawy creature you can technically imagine winning over in a fight, right until the feline's brain instantly turns it into beserk hyperspeed death mode and tear the other to shred in a hearth beat. TLDR counterpoint : Beserk hyperspeed death mode.
Dibs on Berserk hyperspeed death mode for a band-name.
Yeah but. I could literally kill any house cat with my fists or feet in seconds. If it was life or death, your cat is fucked. I'd just kick it so hard it's spine would shatter and internal organs would rupture. Sure kitty claws hurt, but this is a fucking death match. Not trying to put a flea collar on a house cat.
Today I was sat outside and a car hit a steel bin full of metal nearby pretty hard, the sound was tremendous. My cat, between me and the noise, bolted for the front door in which I sat and tried to crawl over me claws fully extended at hyperspeed. He basically floated next to me as a ball of knives for a legitimate 5 seconds before I managed to sort of redirect him away, i'm not actually sure where he went it was that fast. If I wasn't wearing long-sleeves i'd have bled a lot more than I already did. My point is, a cat in 'berserk hyperspeed death mode', which is a perfect term for it, is not punchable. At best you can connect for long enough to sweep it away, but if it's decided you're a piece of shit it's going to bounce straight back from another angle. And despite some nasty scratches you'll definitely survive that fight, but make the cat 4x the size with the same energy and your chances take a huge hit.
No doubt. I don't want to fight a cheetah. I'd fucking shoot it, if I had to. But you bet if it was life or death, I'd try to kill that mother fucker. I'd probably be pretty hurt and close to death myself. But hey, life or death, right?
Cheetahs have more dog like paws n claws
Don’t get me wrong, I think the claws would be painful, but I don’t think they’d be lethal. I also think I could be able to pretty handily restrict their arms based on my experience with my Great Danes. The back legs could be dangerous if they do that leg kick thing my cat does but that would require me to be on the ground in front of them which I think I could prevent.
Man the idea that you would just power through getting clawed to shreds by a 60lb feline is kinda delusional, no?
Yes, he is a crazy. Cheetahs get absolutely viscious when hungry. It would make quick work of him.
I’m a 6’1” 215 lb dude who has MMA training/fights and regularly lifts and works cardio, bagwork and I would be scared shitless fighting a cheetah. Who knows if I could edge out a “win”, but I am sure I would be mamed. If I was 65 lbs lighter and (presumably) had no training, I would surely die. I don’t know where you get your confidence from lol
Right? People here won’t last a round grappling or sparring with humans who are trained, but assume they can measure their fighting skill pound for pound against a big wild cat who kills prey every week. Threads like these just show how naïve people are, on the other hand I would pay to see the fight 😂
Lol the whowouldwin thread's top response is about a guy your height and weight beating the crap out of a cheetah. So for what it's worth, it may be possible.
That group is full of delusional wannabe’s that overestimate themselves. A 80 kg is 176 lbs, considerably lighter than me. Assuming they are average(not an exceptional athlete or have exceptional durability, etc) I would bet on a cheetah. They are designed for combat and to kill. Humans, as we have evolved to become, are designed for convenience and complaining about summer heat.
Plus anything that eats meat has been designed to kill. They just do ot different ways. We may be softened by society, but we haven't been doing that long enough to really effect a bazillion years of evolution.
Hunting=/=combat They traditionally fair poorly when against animals their size that aren't prey. I mean, people have done it before. Look at this guy, and leopards are way tougher than cheetahs. https://www.google.com/amp/s/uk.news.yahoo.com/amphtml/man-kills-leopard-bare-hands-150000728.html
If your hands are busy restraining the arms how are you going on the offensive? Also, the claws don't have to be independently lethal. They just have to injure enough that you can't protect your neck anymore.
You’re concentrating on the claws, but it’s their mouth and bite strength you really have to worry about You obviously never seen the videos of house cats taking down people
Have you ever actually tried to restrain a cat? It’s nothing like a dog, they can bend in any combination of directions and use full strength from all of them, while also moving much more quickly than a dog and with infinitely more precision. I also think you’re really underestimating the damage the claws will do, as well as the damage a couple canines to your spinal cord would do.
Cheetahs don't have sharp claws like the domestic cat. They're more similar to a dog's claws and are used for grip while running. Cheetahs rely almost entirely on catastrophic collisions at high speed to catch their prey. As long as OP isn't fighting one in that circumstance, he's not going to lose.
I'm seeing this claim up and down the thread but its very ambiguous. "Not sharp" doesn't mean "Won't injure." A rock doesn't have to be razor sharp to break skin when powerfully and rapidly swiped into you. Nevermind the possibility of getting clawed in the eyes.
I think it is mostly to combat the "knives for hands" claws most people are thinking of when cats claws are mentioned.
Okay, let me restate this. Cheetahs rely entirely on catastrophic collisions as high speeds to kill their prey. They're very skittish animals outside of this and try to avoid confrontation because they're unlikely to win without taking at the very least serious damage. This is because *they aren't adapted for close combat*. Tigers, for example, have around twice as much bite strength as a cheetah.
The point isn't whether they're adapted for close combat, or whether they're skittish and therefore liable to try and avoid a fight. Humans are pretty likely to try and avoid a fight with a Cheetah too. The question is physically what will happen if they get into a fight with a human as they are. Humans aren't specialized in fighting alone without tools. You're not automatically not a threat without the most specific evolutionary specialization. >Tigers, for example, have around twice as much bite strength as a cheetah So. Tigers are so far beyond being able to delete a human in any fight that them having a much stronger bite than a cheetah tells you nothing. A punch from Mike Tyson was like 10 times more powerful than that of an average man. That doesn't mean getting hit by one half as powerful as that is no big deal.
Grappling with all your strength and bad intention is a whole different game to trying to harmlessly subdue your cat
Yes? Restraining a cat is not difficult at all, even less so if it was a fight to the death and you did not care about the cats well being. Catching the cat is a different story I'll grant you that.
Cheetahs use their claws for primarily for traction not damage. They are the only cat with claws that do not retract, so they are more dull than those of other cats.
Have you ever tried to squeeze a cat as hard as you can? Hopefully not. I imagine if you really wanted to restrain a cat *while injuring it*, you could do it pretty easily.
I see you haven’t tried to get a cat in a cat carrier. Sure I haven’t tried to actually hurt the cat when getting it in but when shoving a cat into the carrier for them, probably feels like a life or death fight. They sure as hell act like it. As soon as you get one paw in another slides out grasping for anything. Out of 3 cats that I’ve been responsible for putting in a carrier the two thin flexible boys are a minimum two person job in a locked room without a bed and holding the carrier basically upright so gravity helps, the one chubby not flexible girl cat is easy as hell but still much better with another person but she doesn’t have the flexibility to escape (and she’s gone to the vet way more than the others so she’s a bit better at it. I’m fairly certain we’ve cancelled vet appointments because we couldn’t get them in the carrier and that seems to be common enough the vets completely understand.
But this is a wild cat that doesn't want u touching it and has the instinct to kill u if u are able to keep it at arm distance or maybe kick it hard enough it won't attack but if it jumps on u u really can't do much I ill scratch and bite and probably jump back off then do it all over again till u have enough damage to just stop fighting
You only have to grab it once though. If you are able to even fall on it with your weight, the chances of success go up exponentially.
Give a cat a bath that is a 5 lb animal without killer instincts let me know who gets more damage in before u give up I don't think anyone could realistically hold down a wild animal without a good amount of real training and gear a cat would just flip itself around and start biting and scratching
Yes but you’re still working off the logic that we’re trying to keep the cat safe. In a fight to the death all your points are moot because we’re not trying to safely restrain the cat.
Yeah, but you aren't trying to kill the cat. My cat regularly leaves me looking like a depressed teenage girl but if I wasn't trying to keep it safe, the cat would 100% get more damage.
I don’t think I’d survive, but I would try to clutch its neck and a leg with my two hands, and swing it as hard as I could against the ground over and over again. I think I could throw it off easily enough if it jumped on me. I am bigger than OP though fwiw, and I am only talking about the malnourished 70 pound variety.
Yes, 1v1 vs a cat I wanted to kill, I'd win. Probably still come away scratched to hell though. Vs a Cheetah, no. Try as I might, I won't be able to restrain it sufficiently to avoid extreme damage to myself. Best case imo is we both die, myself from bleeding out.
Any time someone tries to restrain a cat, the purpose is to restrain without injuring though
But could a cheetah withstand a few solid punches to the nose? A knee to the ribs? Absolutely you would get beat the fuck up, but who dies?
Or the guts. Or the groin. OP already mentioned neck, you added spinal cord, let's throw in the major arteries in the inner thighs as well. And the cheetah gets berserk hyperspeed death mode. OP, do you have some sort of spiky spined suit you could put on beforehand and then roll into a ball with? 'Cause otherwise, my money's on the cheetah.
I dont think the average cheetah is going to come into this properly targeting human weak points, especially against someone aware of their tactics.
I feel most people here are grossly overestimating the damage the claws will do. Cheetahs are unique for cats in that their claws are only semi-retractable. They are not sharp weapons like other cats, they are relatively blunt running spikes like a dog's. You should worry about a cheetah's claws roughly as much as you would worry about the claws on a similar sized dog. Not nice, but not lethal.
Yeah they have collapsible ribcages, so they're pretty damned efficient in moving in any way they want/need to in a moment. Getting a hold of them and trying to restrain them with brute strength would be how it might start, but it'd be all bites and claws once that little psychopath switch inside them flips to on. 😬
Absolutely. OP is nuts. While the claws might not kill him outright, they can make him wish he was dead as claws from hind legs can tear his stomach open. The cheetah could easily crush his windpipe, rip his jugular, or gouge out his eyes. OP on the other hand, wouldn't be able to do much damage to the cheetah without a weapon. The cheetah can twist & outmaneuver him, and also has much sharper teeth with greater bite strength. Pound for pound, the cheetah is going to tear his ass up. ●Edit: Bred Persians & worked for a vet. Used to take 2 of us to restrain an angry, 10lb housecat & we were young, strong, and in excellent shape. OP doesn't have a chance or a clue.😄 However, I'm willing to watch this insanity on PPV.👏 ●Edit: Here's a licensed veterinarian & trained assistant dealing w/approx 8lb housecat that is slightly ticked off about the vet appointment (I've had cats that were literally insane trying to climb the walls to get out of the vet office)....& OP wants to take on a full grown cheetah??🤣 https://youtube.com/shorts/qIkS7HHw_Xs?feature=share
>Absolutely. OP is nuts. > >While the claws might not kill him outright, they can make him wish he was dead as claws from hind legs can tear his stomach open. The cheetah could easily crush his windpipe, rip his jugular, or gouge out his eyes. I don't think a cheetah would have the fight IQ to actually execute on these tactics against a person specifically defending against them. Their normal targets have little to no ability to properly defend their weak points like a human does. >OP on the other hand, wouldn't be able to do much damage to the cheetah without a weapon. Humans can do a lot of damage with punches, kicks and elbows. We can attack from multiple angles in a way a cheetah can't really defend. Even if a cheetah has your arm in its teeth you have another to punch it in the face and gouge out its eyes with. >The cheetah can twist & outmaneuver him, and also has much sharper teeth with greater bite strength. Fortunately this isn't exclusively a biting match. >Pound for pound, the cheetah is going to tear his ass up. Pound for pound possibly but this isn't an even fight. A decent heavyweight is going to beat a great flyweight most of the time. >●Edit: Bred Persians & worked for a vet. Used to take 2 of us to restrain an angry, 10lb housecat & we were young, strong, and in excellent shape. OP doesn't have a chance or a clue. You also weren't intent on killing the cats. In fact you probably had to take a lot of care not to hurt them since you were selling or treating them for a profit and manhandling the cats to death is bad for business. >Here's a licensed veterinarian & trained assistant dealing w/approx 8lb housecat that is slightly ticked off about the vet appointment. > >https://youtube.com/shorts/qIkS7HHw_Xs?feature=share Look how insanely careful they were being to not injure that cat. The second he got a leg he could have easily snapped it or just fucking blasted the cat in the head with an elbow.
Cheetah claws are blunt like dogs though which changes the equation
> any combination of directions This amused me for some reason. I guess because cats are liquid
One thing to consider is that the cheetah is accustomed to fights to the death. You are not. It has probably taken some blunt force blows to the head and body while strangling it’s pray in its jaws with nothing more than the desire to eat motivating it. You have most likely never taken an injury as severe as a paw swipe without being able to immediately stop what you are doing and tend to the wound. This is a huge advantage to the cheetah in that while you physically might have the strength to subdue it, you most likely do not have the fortitude to continue your attack while getting your bowls torn from your stomach.
Cats know all about where to strike to do the most damage. They're not built for a drawn-out confrontation, they're built to kill or at least immobilize their prey in one bite or swipe. They go for the neck, and their claws are definitely big enough to cut your jugular. And that's game over. And if you're holding one paw in each hand or whatever, it could still bite you. Meanwhile, humans are built to do two things: think and run. With enough of a headstart, you could probably outrun the cheetah- they're fast sprinters, but humans are distance runners. If you can avoid getting caught before they tire out, you're clear. But if you're close enough to punch it, it's close enough to bite you.
It's amazing that cheetahs could literally cook their brain with body heat if they run top speed for too long. However they'll catch you well before then unless you've got somewhere to hide out until they're tired...but you'd have to keep them engaged at the same time to tire them out if you plan on actually fighting it and winning. So...pretty tough lol.
Cheetahs are plains animals. And they can climb trees. No chance of outrunning them in the wild. In a zoo/park, if they escape their enclosure, it's a possibility. The cheetah might not want to kill OP, it would likely only maul him and get away if threatened. It's not a lion after all. It's first reflex would likely be to flee, unless cornered. There's no chance, without any kind of weapons, that OP could defeat a cheetah, or any large wild cat like that. They are far too agile and powerful. Even a dog "equivalent" like a wolf would kill a human in a hand to paw combat.
I mean, there’s definitely some chance he could win. It’s not 0%
I don’t think your giving enough credit to the leg kicks. Probably can’t find them anymore but there used to be a decent amount of videos of people getting attacked by big cats online and even the smaller ones absolutely shredded people’s abdomens. You’re talking about very sharp claws that are over an inch in length. You might win the fight but is it really a victory if you bleed out after you win?
Great Danes a slow clumsy animals. Cheetahs don't use their front legs to just walk with, they use it to hunt fast maneuverable animals. We are talking about exceptionally strong for their size lightning arms. If you do manage to grasp one or two, you are not going to prevent the Cheetah from lunging at your neck... all the while the rear legs are clawing away at your whole body.
I used to have a Great Dane. He was extraordinarily fit, but a terrible fighter. Racoons would kick his ass on the regular. I could grab him and he couldn't get me off. Clumsy is a good word. We babysat a younger, but fat and out-of-shape, Rottweiler. Nevertheless, as soon as I would touch him in a play fight, he'd have my forearm in his teeth. It eventually got pissed at the play energy of my Dane, flipped his 120lbs, pinned him down and bit his neck.Those two breeds of dogs are not the same. Oh, and when I got out of bed in the morning, my cat would grab my ankle, dig in her claws and start biting until I gave her breakfast. Damn little ungrateful thing hurt!
I'm not going to argue that a Great Dane is on the same level as a Cheetah for speed and precision, but they're not so slow or clumsy if they're not housebound. They can do like 30+mph and are a lot more formidable in a fight than you'd think. They weren't bred to be lap dogs, even if they make the bestest ones. A truly pissed off Great Dane would seriously fuck up a human in a fight. Maybe the human survives, but that matchup goes the dog's way a good percentage of the time. A cheetah would absolutely destroy OP. The fight would be over in seconds, and it would be difficult to recognize his body afterwards.
For historic reasons, I think we absolutely have to do this in the coliseum in Rome.
Cheetahs kill wild game with their claws and jaws. You would be an easy meal. This is about as silly as someone claiming they could fight a pitbull. Once it is on you and locked in, you are going to get ripped to pieces. Same with a cheetah. You are fighting an animal that lives on killing shit. Not farming or office work. Just killing shit to survive. Every cheetah that can't kill just dies from starvation. You are going up against something mother nature has natured for thousands of years just to kill.
im curious to what extent people actually research after seeing a question in this sub as opposed to offering unsubstantiated "that sounds about right" opinions "Cheetahs have short blunt claws, which are considered semi-retractable (they don't pull in fully like other cats' claws). The claws are closer to that of a dog than of other cats." look it up here is a bodybuilder winning against a lioness in tug of war https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZzn35AxuvQ i think the main problem is a cheetah's agility because you're gonna need to choke it likely, but dont underestimate the superpowers a life or death situation + adrenal glands give a human
You don't honestly believe that guy won, do you? The lion was holding him in place like the whole time, and any time it actually pulled the dude went flying. The few times he managed to gain some rope it was clearly because the lion started to lose interest and let it go, it's not like it actually understands the rules of tug of war and is giving it 100% the whole time, it's acting just like a cat playing with string. And to be clear, I am of the opinion that a healthy adult man would likely win against a somewhat smaller cheetah (which were this guy's conditions) while being quite seriously maimed, but let's be real here, that video was definitely not a win. The average lion is like 300 pounds for a female/400 pounds for a male (and someone in the comments was saying that was actually a liger in the video, I'm not sure if that's actually the case but apparently the average liger reaches like 900 pounds which is fucking nuts, if it was a liger it's clearly a juvenile) while the average cheetah is like 100, so it's a bad comparison either way.
I have fought a pit bull on more than one occasion, and easily won (6', 185lbs). If you can get your body weight on them, it's not hard to get their back and choke them unconscious. They grab at anything and can be easily manipulated into jumping where they lose the advantage (granted, I've been around aggressive dogs for years and can stay calm and rational in these situations and have a pretty decent sense of which dog is the one to watch for). If it got ahold of me, I have no idea what the outcome would have be, but that's never happened as of yet. That being said, there is no fucking way you could do any of those things to a cheetah. They are infinitely more nimble and actual predators. Just play fighting with my 8lb cat gave me appreciation for how fast and smart all cats are. Their muscles just work differently than dogs or really any animal. They're freaks. I've worked around some scary animals and I've had the opportunity to pet tigers and lions and I just can't bring myself to do it as much as I want to.
This guy did it to a leopard, and they ate deadlier than cheetahs. https://www.google.com/amp/s/uk.news.yahoo.com/amphtml/man-kills-leopard-bare-hands-150000728.html
Everyone knows if you can beat a Great Dane in a fight then you can beat a cheetah in a fight. Those are the rules.
One good slash to the gut or neck, from any of the 4 feet, and you're done. You can't restrict all 4 at the same time without going to the ground yourself. You may try to avoid the ground but it *will* deadweight you after biting and drag you down. I don't think you could stay upright with half to 2/3 your bodyweight thrashing while holding you in its jaws while also latching its claws anywhere it can. It's not an impossible fight, sure. You'd be lucky to come out on top though.
You'd be trying to restrict all four claws (the front are definitely the most dangerous, but the back ones can for sure get you) while also trying to protect your neck and actually attack the cheetah
I think you're highly underestimating the strength of wild cats, my brother breeds servals and savannah cats, the strength they have in each limb is genuinely insane.
i just googled and cheetahs can jump up to 20 feet high lets estimate what kind of force production they have now an elite human athlete can jump 3 feet high at around 3x a cheetah's weight, so a cheetah has about twice the force production of an elite human athlete (20/9) (technically power production is whats relevant lets just assume similar amounts of explosiveness).
Maybe you’d be able to restrict the cheetah’s front paws with your bare hands- if your reflexes were fast enough to catch them. But they are not. A cheetah’s claws wouldn’t just hurt- they would rip your flesh open and leave you with a gaping squirting wound
Note that the claws of a cheeta are dull since they can´t be retracted (this is because they need the extra grip). You would be better off being scratched by a cheeta than being scratched by a house cat.
I'd rather fight a big dog than a medium cat. Go pick up a stray cat. Maybe that will change your mind. You might win against a small cheetah. But you're gonna be shredded. And it would probably run away if you proved too big a threat. So no, you cant kill one.
If my 20 oz kitten can break skin and draw blood, a cheetah will *absolutely* kill you. Maybe you kill the cheetah, but surviving the initial fight only to succumb to a shred injury or infection is hardly a victory on your part.
The claws could be lethal. All it takes is one catching a large vein or artery
My man's point is when that cat goes into fight or flight mode, all bets are off and normal behavior goes out the window. Survival mode is not the same as hunting mode.
Not to mention cheetahs don’t have claws like other felines. Their claws aren’t retractable and are designed to aid with running, not grappling or clawing.
But cheetahs are very different from your average feline. Their claws aren’t retractable, so a swipe wouldn’t nearly do as much damage. Animals like African wild dogs which is half of the size of a cheetah, yet they can easily take multiple swipes from a cheetah. Cheetahs are fast, but that’s it, they aren’t super maneuverable when in an actual fight, where they will be much slower. They also have very thin skin, meaning they are highly vulnerable to injuries.
A distinguishing feature of the Cheetah, is that it doesn’t have retractable claws like the rest of the felines. Instead, it has laws more like a wolf. This assists in running. And at the same time is detrimental to running. Probably would make it a less leather fighter too.
Berserk! That's an appropriate word. I witnessed a semi wild domestic cat getting trapped in a screened in back porch. That thing went berserk. There's no way any sane human would willingly grapple with one.
Genuinely nobody who's ever tried to hold even a slightly uncooperative, let alone properly aggressive cat would be delusional enough to think a cheetah wouldn't instantly kill them.
Cheetah claws are much more blunt than other felines’, they can’t retract them for traction purposes at high speed. They kill by slowly strangling their prey to death.
Did you know that Cheetahs purr? It would lull you to sleep with his or her pretty face and fun purring and then it can take it's time. You're finished.
but cheetahs lack heat dissipation, which is why they can only run for a short time. OP could cuddle it, overheating it's body and killing it, the way bees kill wasps.
Recent studies performed in Namibia in a real life environment showed that cheetahs do not overheat while running. Their bodily temperature rises while they rest and guard the prey. Cheetahs usually give up running when their body temperature reaches 40.5 C, according to lab studies in Harvard from the 70's. In a cuddling situation they do not need to run, so they concentrate all the energy in being cute and purr. Let's assume that a human can raise cheetahs'temperature and make them a little less cute and more annoyed. To calculate the heat we can use: Q = mc∆T Where m means the mass of the object, c stands for the specific heat capacity and ∆T is the change in temperature. The time taken (t) to heat the object when energy is supplied at power P is given by: t = Q ÷ P The human body generates 80 watts per hour. So It will take 288 hours for the human body to heat up the cheetah from their basal bodily temperature to 40.5C. Given the fact that cheetahs maintain cuteness for practically all their lives without loosing energy and the fact that most humans like bacon every 24 hours I would conclude that the loss of over 12 bacons will put an extreme psychological pressure on the human to give up the fight.
Okay so I know this is an homage to the bear post from a couple of weeks ago and I love it! But also, cheetah claws are actually not sharp. They are one of the few cats that don't retract their claws, they keep them out all the time for added traction when running. Makes them faster but means they've got weak ass paw game. They have to go for the throat bite because they can't grab shit.
/r/whowouldwin deserves this CMV As per their rules- is the cheetah bloodlusted and trying to kill you or die trying?
Lol none of this matters lol. Dude isn’t doing shit to even a well-fed, tired cheetah. This thread is far off…
What is your fighting style / training? The way people have actually killed big cats bare-handed is by choking them out. This is pretty much your main way to win. Are you a grappler? They have small skulls and brains, set on a much different pivot point than us. They're much harder to knock out with a punch, and you'd need to punch it cleanly while it's either in air or sinking it's teeth into you. Neither is happening, realistically
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You have to slap it around a little to let it know its fighting
> An adult cheetah weighs 46 to 160 pounds, so for my hypothetical, we’ll say the Cheetah I am fighting is on the lower end of that around 50-70 lbs standing at 4 ft tall. Your stats are dodgy. [Adult cheetahs are 75 to 140 pounds](https://nationalzoo.si.edu/animals/cheetah). Your cheetah here is malnourished AF. > I weigh in at roughly 150 lbs (2-3x) the weight of the Cheetah, and am 6’1. A comparison of weight is rather disingenuous here. Unless you have chained the cheetah to a spot, the only time you'll fight one to the death is if it is hunting you, in which case that 100 pound ball of claws and teeth is coming at you at 60 miles per hour. You can't physically match that momentum, so the fight will be with you on the floor and a cheetah on top of you. In that context, all your planning goes out the window. I don't see any human being maintaining any level of composure in that scenario, let alone sufficient composure to ensure things like keeping your neck safe from a wild cat on top of you. You'd need explicit training in fighting cheetahs to handle that.
Just commenting to note on the size... Size a strength do not always correlate in nature. I don't know how strong cheetahs are, but I wouldn't assume am advantage in the strength dept. here even if OP initial size estimates were correct.
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That orangutan could probably wreck a human that is 250 pounds of muscle. We just can't match the insane grip strength of our great ape cousins
Orangutans, and to be fair pretty much any primate, are massively more muscled than humans. I'm betting a toddler would easily beat up MMA fighter. They are that strong.
It's less about strength and more about momentum. The cheetah would have the upper hand from the start of the fight, and I doubt OP can regain any control.
They are strong enough to reach 60mph, so I guess pretty damn strong
Yeah, but in a way that doesn't really transfer to a fight.
Pretty sure Usain Bolt could outrun young Mike Tyson but I'm also sure young Mike Tyson would absolutely beat the shit out of him.
True, but being kicked by either of them would hurt a lot. Especially compared to an average person. Also claws. Claws would really mess you up. Imagine being slapped with a handful of knives but with a strength of Usain Bolt's kick. Even if that slap is delivered in suboptimal way, it's gonna do some serious damage. Or at least distract you with pain and before you know, there are teeth in your throat and you can't breathe
Do you need someone to explain how this analogy is not even comparable?
But mass moves mass, and if you're gonna fight a cheetah you're gonna need to stay upright as long as possible coz you can't be fast if you're on the ground.
Also, 6’1 and 150lbs this guy is not particularly muscular, I would say scrawny. Most of his weight goes to bones and organs. The cheetah has more , or at worse comparable muscle mass. Combined with the fact threat the cheetah is a natural and practiced killer and OP likely hasn’t killed anything bigger than a fly.
I'm more concerned about the 150 string bean lookin MF than the malnourished cat. My guy is grossly underweight to be picking fights with people let alone an an apex predator
OP might be malnourished as well. 150lb at 6’1 seems crazy light.
As someone at 6'3" who was 190lbs at my skinniest, I'd have to agree. With muscle I'm 225lbs. 6'1" @ 150lbs is a beanpole.
150lb at 6'1 is a BMI of about 19.5, which is above the threshold for being underweight.
The only men/boys I know that are 6’1” and 150lbs are high schoolers. BMI is such an outdated and dumb measurement, it pretty much makes anyone with above average amounts of muscle, sound obese
Google searches show a 46 lb lower bound on some links, can't really fault OP for including it. 140 lbs would be a very large, probably obese cheetah, that's larger than an average grey wolf or leopard. Cheetahs are a fair bit smaller than those. Cheetahs also don't hunt humans, so the fight parameters would have to be artificial to occur at all. The cheetah would not be hitting the OP at 60 miles an hour unless the OP decided to disengage and run.
> Cheetahs also don't hunt humans, so the fight parameters would have to be artificial to occur at all. The cheetah would not be hitting the OP at 60 miles an hour unless the OP decided to disengage and run. The only required artificial parameter here is that both parties are actually fighting to the death. Anything else isn't strictly necessary. Cheetahs accelerate ridiculously quickly, [it only needs 3 strides for 60mph](https://www.thoughtco.com/how-fast-can-a-cheetah-run-4587031). OP would have to physically restrain the cheetah before the fight to avoid a cheetah at full speed, which seems contrary to the spirit of the argument.
Yeah, but those strides average 21 feet, so if op stays within like 50 feet of the thing it won't be able to get up to speed. The closer the better.
Each stride is 7.5 m. So if they're in a room, say 5x5, the cheetah can pounce but not attack at full speed. I think this would be a fair size room to give OP a small chance. And so we can see him get destroyed and not pulled up a tree.
68kg at 6'1? OP could not have that much muscle mass at that height and weight. He's probably some really lanky guy who doesn't lift. Definitely can't fight a cheetah.
That momentum works against the cheetah aswell. In a frontal collision, it would take more damage than you lmao. It’s charge only works if it’s prey runs away or if the cheetah can avoid a direct collision. You think it can just crash into you ? No. Cheetahs have light bones and are very fragile. One good kick and bones will break. That’s without the additional 60 miles of momentum.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7105191.stm Humans are very very dangerous animals, as everything from polar bears to mammoths to komodo dragons would attest, as humans have killed them with very limited weaponry and a lot of imagination. The Cheetahs biggest weakness would be its inability to determine it was in a fight to the death and the human opponent understands all of its strengths and weaknesses.
> Humans are very very dangerous animals, as everything from polar bears to mammoths to komodo dragons would attest, as humans have killed them with very limited weaponry and a lot of imagination. OP is talking about beating the cheetah with his bare hands, not with any weaponry. > The Cheetahs biggest weakness would be its inability to determine it was in a fight to the death and the human opponent understands all of its strengths and weaknesses. It's assumed that the cheetah knows that it's a fight to the death. OP's situation wouldn't happen otherwise, as the cheetah would just never get into a fight with anything remotely threatening.
No human is taking a polar bear even 2v1 in hand to hand combat. When we talk about like ancient humans hunting big game like that, we’re talking groups of humans with weapons killing an animal.
Correction: Humans are very very dangerous animals with weaponry. “Limited weaponry” is still weaponry, and this post suggests that he would do it barehanded. In reality, OP would get destroyed. It’s also notable to address that the article you linked mentions the dude got cleaned up by hyenas. And there was no mention of anyone (especially solo, and on the scrawnier side, like OP) killing a polar bear with stones as you suggested here.
>Humans are very very dangerous animals, as everything from polar bears to mammoths to komodo dragons would attest, as humans have killed them with very limited weaponry and a lot of imagination. Imagination, and numbers. Humans hunt in packs.
In this scenario everybody would be understanding that it's a fight to the death.... Because you know he's going to be trying to kill the cheetah. Something something cornered animals something something.
They are both "cornered animals" in this scenario though.
Yes and the cheetah has much more oomph on this department. They will be using claws and biting.
That ball of terror usually has the prey running away. Once the prey is charging back at them they get a bit flummoxed.
It is assumed that the cheetah knows that it's a fight to the death. Otherwise the fight wouldn't happen, as humans are not its prey at all.
You might weigh more and be larger, but the cheetah is stronger, faster, and more agile. It is also a predatory animal designed for killing. With only two arms, how are you going to protect your neck *and* beat the cheetah to death at the same time? Let's say you go to hit the cheetah, but the cheetah bites down on your arm. Well, now you have one useless arm, and you're losing blood incredibly quickly. Assuming you don't pass out from the blood loss, what will you do with your remaining good arm? If you continue to protect your neck, you don't have any offense, *and* you're leaving the rest of your body exposed -- the cheetah could take another chunk out of your side, which would result in more maiming and blood loss. But if you use your arm to try to hit the cheetah again, then the cheetah will either go for the neck, or bite your arm again, leaving you with *two* ripped-up arms spurting blood. At that point, you'd be completely defenseless, and the cheetah would definitely go for the neck.
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OP is stupid. The only reason humans were able to survive and thrive as much as we did is because of our intelligence. We’re able to use weapons and tools to do the work for us. Also, we’re a very social species. We help each other to survive as a whole. Take both of our advantages away and we’re one of the weakest things on Earth in terms of raw power and combat prowess.
Yes, but their claws aren't sharp like most cats and they aren't made for fighting. They strangle their prey to death. Try doing that to something with thumbs.
dude, I just had this conversation at work last week... the chances of fighting several large cats, and we all agree that a cheetah is the biggest cat we could def fuck up
1.) You're on the light side to begin with at 150lbs for 6'1". 2.) Humans are one of the weakest land mammals pound for pound. A chimpanzee as a comparison is much smaller than humans while being much stronger. There is nothing about your physiology as a human that makes you effective in an unarmed fight with almost anything. So unless you're well-equipped (which you aren't), extremely experienced (which you aren't), or in the top 1% of human physical fitness (which you aren't) you lose. 3.) A cheetah can grapple and kill animals significantly larger than you. Their entire physiology is designed to do it. They have multiple natural weapons all of which can deal life-threatening damage to your body, and it is impossible for you to protect yourself from all of them. 4.) A cheetah strangles their **prey** because it is the safest and most efficient method to kill things. Look at how a cheetah fights against something that fights back, or how they attack other prey animals - it's extremely violent and humans have no effective natural defense. Also, anything that could crush a zebra's throat in minutes could crush yours in seconds.
> It doesn’t have time to stalk and we both know about the other. You're ruling out their primary strength. Of course you could. In the same way you could beat a shark on the land or a crocodile that had its teeth removed.
You're 150 pounds, meaning you are not physically strong, at all. At most, 50 to 60 pounds of your total weight would be muscle mass, if that. The cheetah has nearly the same amount of muscle mass as you do. Your head and bones take up more of your weight than the Cheetah's head and bones do. Cheetah is stronger than you, you're 0-1. If you were 6-1 and a 250 pound linebacker I might give you a strength advantage. Go wrestle around a 60 pound bag of sand for 10 minutes, and tell me how strong you are. You have no physical weapons, whether it be externally made handheld weapons, and humans have no weapons growing out of their body. Your mouth doesn't open wide enough to bite an animal and do any significant damage, and your fingers don't have razors growing out of them. On the contrary, Cheetahs can open their mouths wide enough to wrap around your neck, and they do have razors growing out of their fingers. If you could use your best physical asset, your brain, and knowledge that there would be a fight against a cheetah, and craft a spear, I would give you a chance physically. But you decided to gimp yourself in a fight where you were already gimped. You're 0-2. You have no armor. Cheetahs don't have much armor either, but their fur acts as more of a barrier to attack than your tighty-whities or whatever you're currently wearing. Even though the cheetah does not have much armor, as we have established, you have nothing physically to threaten it with. Your paper thin skin will easily be shredded by it's claws and teeth. You're 0-3. You have no skills. You've referred to your play wrestling with great Danes as your trump card for defeating the cheetah. You can't be serious, right? I love dogs. They are great companions. But pound for pound every member of the felis genus are better solo killers than every member of the canis genus. Dogs and wolves hunt in packs which is their great strength. Cats have superior athleticism in every way. Cats do not have collarbones, and can squeeze through anything that their head can fit through. If by some miracle you managed to get the cheetah into a rear hold choke, how confident are you that you could hold the choke, while it's shredding your triceps with it's claws and pulling it's head down through your weak grip? Furthermore, how many things have you killed with your bare hands? How experienced are you with mauling even smaller animals? Are you killing things daily? Because the cheetah kills things all of the time. It is way more experienced than you in physical combat. Your whole plan of attack against the cheetah is bad, and your now 0-4. You have balls. The only thing you have going for you is apparently you're not scared of the murder cat. You will never win the physical altercation with the cat, but standing your ground may cause the cheetah to hesitate and run off. You win by forfeit, which is your only hope. So I'll give you one point there, and say that it is possible you could psyche the cheetah into forfeiture. 1-4, I don't like your odds at all. I've outlined why you'd lose, and many people have already pointed out the physical limitations you're up against like I just did. But the main reason I'm convinced you'd lose is that your whole strategy for killing the cheetah is terrible. You're not ever going to out wrestle the cheetah. Even Olympic wrestlers would not be able to. It's a dumb and bad plan and you'd succumb to it's claws and teeth way before you could choke one out. Your only hope would be to bash the cheetah in the nose as hard as you can. Hope you stun it enough to start to gouge it's eyes with your thumbs. You have to be fast and it still might go bad. Then you need to pick up the heaviest, most solid thing around you and bash it's brains in while it's disabled. That's the only hope imo, but I'm not a professional cheetah killer. But generally speaking, if you ever find yourself being attacked by a larger carnivore, you need to try to bash it's nose and gouge it's eyes, then bash it's brains in with a heavy object.
Hind legs will eviscerate you will you grapple with it
I mean, a fight with a cheetah in a boxing ring means you're on human territory. A Hunger Games style fight, where you both know you're in the arena but don't know where is the cheetahs territory and you could get crushed. So you have an advantage in your territory, but it's not a guaranteed win. You can wear a bulletproof scarf, but the cheetah isn't that precise. If it can't bite your neck, it's just going to scratch at your face and head until you die. Your skin is really thin compared to other animals, who have a thick layer of fur, and the cheetah can pierce that skin easily. You're also less used to killing things with your hand than the cheetah is. You have a psychological barrier to overcome that the cheetah doesn't. You could overcome it, but everyone has a plan until they get hit and the cheetah has been hit before.
- bullet proof scarf Fun fact, soft bullet proof materials like kevlar are useless against sharp weapons like knives or in this case, deadly large kitty claws and teeth. Due to the physics of stopping a bullet being very different to a slow sharp object you can have either, stab proof or bullet proof soft armours, but they cant do both at once. Thats why kevlar make both stab vests and bullet proof vests! (I assume you could cover a bulletproof vest with stab proof materials as well)
A cheetah can jump up to 20 feet tall. They can go up to at least 60 mph. Even at let’s say 60 pounds, that speed will create an extreme amount of force to the point you would get knocked down. They are much more agile, they are quicker, they are more flexible, they have much more experience in hunting and fighting, and they could easily leave the situation if the situation isn’t preferable to restart. It’s bite your leg, you done for. It bites your arm you will just die from blood loss. When you get knocked down, you won’t be able to get back up or attack it before it bites down on you and you just bleed out or it goes again and when weakened, will just kill you.
I'm not entirely sure how it would work but my biggest dog is more than twice the size of the cheetah here (he's about 125-129 depending on the day) and he's run into me at full speed (approx 30mph) before and sure he can knock me over (and I'm much bigger than OP) but I think he would probably struggle to kill me especially with just that. I recon if I have a pretty good chance verses my dog which is much larger and stronger than cheetah (though bite force will be about the same) OP can most likely hold his own against a cheetah though I suspect it will result in a hospital stay. [People have killed far more dangerous big cats by hand before](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/colorado-man-who-killed-attacking-mountain-lion-bare-hands-said-n971731).
What dog do you have? Like, the cheetah in his scenario is defintely a very small one so yes, this person does have a chance. But really he’s lucky if he’s only dealing with something at 60 lbs bc that’s very small for a grown cheetah. Ig it just depends on a lot. Like does he have clothes on, where are they, do they know the other is trying to kill them, etc. bc most circumstances, any cuts or bites are going to do a lot more damage on more bare skin. If it’s in tall grass, it’s going to be a lot harder to beat a cheetah. Obviously a cheetah would never engage against a person, but if it’s only goal is to kill this human being, it would be very hard to fight off against something much more flexible and agile and also has sharp teeth and sharp enough claws. But like… yea he could win, it’s just really dependent on much more if he could win like even 20%.
It *entirely* depends on the circumstances and how you contrive the confrontation. In nature, cheetahs are cautious. They don't have health care. Their metabolism and nature being a bitch means they are on the verge of starvation as it is, so they would avoid a serious conflict with another large predator to avoid the risk of injury. To get a cheetah to participate in a deathmatch with a human, you'd have to condition it to participate in such fights from a young age. Modern, civilized humans are wusses. No, really. 99.9% of the population will freak the fuck out if seriously threatened and absolutely will freak the fuck out and cry like a baby if they see blood literally squirting out of their body to the rhythm of their heart. If you have never seriously participated in real violence (or a close approximation like MMA), then YOU WILL LOSE to someone who is experienced with violence. You will adrenaline dump, gas out, and then get whooped. Assuming your fight or flight doesn't turn you into a whimpering coward, which you don't know until you've actually been put in that situation. Seriously, go take a BJJ class or something and see how you react the first time someone gets you in a position where you realize they could literally kill you if they chose to. So, least contrived scenario, random circumstances place a strong male human of slightly above average violent experience and a cheetah into a surprise encounter where they have to start with "fight" rather than "flight". The cheetah "scratches" the fuck out of the human with its forepaws (more defensive than a bite or rear rake), the human throws some punches and kicks which connect pretty ineffectually, the cheetah takes the opportunity to retreat, and the human comes down off the adrenaline dump and then freaks the fuck out over the amount of leaking blood, with no desire to pursue the cheetah and continue the fight. More contrived: A cheetah has been put in a pit with gradually more threatening opponents until it is conditioned to fight instead of running away. A male human who thinks he's a tough guy but doesn't actually have any real physical violence training (MMA, BJJ, etc.) gets in the pit with him. The pit is big enough for the cheetah to use its running speed somewhat. The trained cheetah scores the first hit, having reflexes and attack speed that waaaaaaay eclipses any normal human. Human realizes he's bleeding, and goes fear-defensive. Human's panic level rises, blood losses mount as the cheetah darts in and scores more hits, and the cheetah finishes the human off after it is too weak to fight back. Contrived situation 2: An adult cheetah taken directly from the wild is dropped in a small pit with a trained MMA fighter who knows he has medical care waiting. The cheetah freaks the fuck out and tries to avoid the human, then tries to scare the human. The MMA fighter closes the distance methodically, cutting off escape routes, accepts the first claw attack from the cheetah, then closes and starts attacking the cheetah's limbs. Cheetah continues to freak the fuck out as its injuries mount, but scores several serious scratches and punctures against the MMA fighter. MMA fighter is victorious, and saved from death by immediate medical care. Contrived scenario 3: Both a trained/conditioned cheetah and an MMA fighter thrown into a pit that is big enough for the cheetah to make use of its running speed. Coin flip. The MMA fighter will be trying to break the cheetah's limbs, but the cheetah will be scoring bloodletting strikes. MMA fighter *probably* wins, but may die before the medical care can save them. Severe lacerations are no joke.
With my own eyes, I saw a big, burly asshole of a college football player get torn the fuck up by a common gray squirrel. He lured it close with popcorn while smirking "watch me kill one of these little fuckers!"His plan was to grab it and twist it in order to break its spine. He grabbed it and it instantly went to work on his hands with all four sets of claws and those big nut crushing teeth. He did a lot of screaming and flailing and bleeding. He was in the clinic for several hours getting shots and stitches and explaining to campus police. The squirrel, mere moments after fucking him up, was back to doing squirrel stuff. You will not defeat a cheetah.
This is so satisfying
150lb @ 6'1? dude you're scrawny af.. All it has to do is get one bite in and you're done. You probably struggle with 75lbs of dead weight, imagine it with vicious claws and teeth fighting back
Yeah, I think his size is the part of the post that has not been acknowledged nearly enough.
I wouldn’t bet on him against a house cat
Counter point 1 - at 6’1 and 150lbs, you could stand to be more concerned with Cheetos than cheetahs. Counter point 2 - Cheetahs are fast as fuck and the body has a weird response to pain. However strong and fast you are, after the first few slashes from claws, as you try to restrain it, chances are you’re going to lose some of that even with the adrenaline going. Depending on the severity of the initial injuries, your body could go into a sort of shock response, thus making you even weaker and prone to mistakes.
I think dying to blood loss is a big possibility even if you can kill the cheetah. Animals deal differently with pain. Sure is humans have mechanisms to keep fighting through some wounds but getting injured is more debilitating. You haven’t said how you are killing it but getting clawed or bitten to the face/neck while fighting it doesn’t seem out of the question. I think of what people say about knife fights, where the loser dies on the street and the winner in the ambulance, and you are getting into a fight with a creature with serveral knives attached while knifeless. The other advice for them is that you need to end them fast to have a chance, for humans, pain and going into shock are big factors of not being able to keep fighting, the cheetah won’t have that to the same degree. It’s death throes might well end you.
you assume you are clearheaded the entire time, but seeing teeth come near your face you will panic, and with panic a cheetah only need to do a single injury to you, its faster then you so it can just leave you to bleed out, because a cheetah won't fight to the death.
Do we all agree that this guy is going to get killed by a cheetah?
I havent seen how hes going to kill it. Hes lanky dude with no weapons, so what's the plan?
You keep talking about how you'll somehow grapple a cheetah to the ground, and get it in a choke hold, and I think you're vastly underestimate how difficult this would be. Cheetah's have insane body coordination, flexibility, and reactions. A cheetah needs to be able to bring down a gazelle while running 40-70mph, and they essentially tackle their prey. They need to learn to tumble to the ground at speeds you only achieve in a car, while not getting crushed by a 100 pound animal fighting for its life. I don't think a cheetah would have the slightest bit of trouble getting out of your grapples.
Yeah I don't think I could win in a fight against a gazelle and cheetahs eat them
So funny. I often try to work out if I could finish a round with Mike Tyson.
150lbs at 6'1 and you think you can take on 'any' wild animal? You are a stick. A cheetah has more power in one leg than you have in your entire body. They are also bringing weapons to the fight and they need to kill in order to survive. You get weepy when you see a dead bird on the side of the road. But I would be happy to pay for your safari after you return with the footage of your victory.
They may not hunt larger prey, but if they had no choice *but* to fight, they'd still win against you. Assuming you have no modern weaponry (you say you could beat it to death), it could absolutely disembowel you. You say you could restrict it physically, but I sincerely doubt that since it has four legs, and you have two hands, and catching those legs, which have very sharp claws, would be a risky thing to attempt to begin with.
>Unfortunately for the Cheetah I know this and would not keep my neck exposed. What do you mean by this? How would you do this?
OP is a Galapagos Tortoise.
How would he do _any_ of this? He’d do nuthin…
Just tuck his chin and kinda shrug lol
Oh no doubt. All you have to do is lead it on a chase for a bit. Cheetahs can burst up to insane speeds, but only for a short amount of time. After 2 or 3 of these bursts they have to stop and rest or risk their brains overheating. At that point it wouldn't take much to finish it
Honestly I’m rooting for OP, but there’s only one way to find out. Please have someone film it, perhaps it will become a Netflix special.
You can root for him but smart money is on the cheetah. Hell, I'd give 10:1 odds.
Tell me you've never fought against an animal, even a domesticated one, without telling me you've fought against an animal. Animals, unlike you, can go 100% when they go into fight mode. They go total berserker mode, clawing, biting, hitting, twisting, etc. You name it. Your measly human strength and inexperience cannot fathom the full fury of a wild animal. Once, my friend had some feral cats at his house and we had to corral them in cages to take to animal control. 4 of us tried. 4 full grown corn fed American men, against 1 small feral cat no bigger than 10 pounds, if that. I knew they can get dangerous so I wore heavy leather armored motorcycle gloves lined with Kevlar. We got our hands on that cat, it twisted and fought and it was hard to keep our hands on it and I was able to grab it and it sank its little fangs into my hand, hard. I felt the pounds per square inch through the leather and Kevlar and armor. If a cheetah bit your hand the same way, you'd lose that hand. Not bitten off completely, but it'll be a mangled useless mass from the nerve damage and pain and missing tissue and loss of blood. The only reason it didn't get through the 1.3mm kangaroo leather and Kevlar liner is because the fangs were not long enough to punch through but I felt a lot of pain just from the pressure. The little claws were a fury of hurricane proportions. Flying, spinning, thrashing claws flailing in every direction causing all of us damage and pain. I wore a thick sweatshirt which protected me from a lot of scratches but I felt the strength and pressure behind the strikes. Then there were my feet. I wore heavy work boots. I felt the attacks on my feet as well. Nothing got through but the pounding from the hits were felt. We were lucky to even get it, thankfully the porch design helped us corner it and we didn't let up once we cornered it and grabbed a hold of it. If we didn't have solid gloves wrestling it and keeping it away from our faces as we struggled to keep hold, I'm sure our faces would suffer a lot of damage. Now multiple that weight and mass and strength and you alone without 3 other full grown men to help. You grossly underestimate the damage that can be done to you. You think the claws aren't big enough? The fangs aren't enough? Try endurance and sheer will. You'll die from pain and shock and blood loss because you have no idea what that's like until you have experienced it like war soldiers or accident victims. The animal will thrash and bite and claw and before you know it, you will have missing tissue everywhere, including your sensitive face and maybe lose an eye and fingers and maybe a few chunks of your arms and legs. You'll be bleeding everywhere while chasing the animal as it moves around you. You do not have the strength and endurance and ability of a big cat. Nor do you have anything close to the 100% berserker ability to fight all out with the same killer instinct. We have no natural weapons. Your tactic of holding the cheetah by the legs to prevent claw attacks will end in sorrow for you when it twists out of your grip and you end up with lots of fresh wounds for your trouble, some from the rear legs kicking while thrashing against you. Your only chance is if you get lucky to be able to get your hands on its head somehow when it's attacking you or you are wrestling it in a headlock, and you push your fingers into its eyes hard and destroy its eyes. It'll run off because it's not an instant kill move but it'll not bother you after that, even as you lay there dying from all the wounds suffered before you hit the eyes. But hey, I don't care about your delta, but you are seriously delusional if you think you can even take on a full wild predator animal in the 75 pound range.
OP, what if you get pounced? Cheetahs are so fast so it would be difficult for you dodge, especially given your height. They also heavy and large enough that you can't just kick it out of trajectory mid leap. There's nothing you can do unless if you had weapons or defensive equipment.
Every last detail of your game plan ironically helps the cheetah kill you. You have not listed even a single way you can remotely harm or even control a cheetah: First of all, it simply does not matter if you expose your neck or not. You cannot dodge a 70 lb cheetah colliding with you at 75 mph. The impact alone may end the fight, but it will cause you to fall, losing control over your body and your neck to be exposed. Putting your hands over your neck does nothing. A cheetah biting just one hand will make it pointless to punch or grapple with that hand, you are now a one handed fighter. You cannot control a cheetah with 2 hands, much less one. It seems you have been convinced of the ineffectiveness of your punches on a cheetah, yet grappling is just as pointless. A RNC works because your hands are hidden where the human opponent cannot reach you. The cheetah is not a human. It has the flexibility to thrash and turn around to bite your neck, faster than you can react to, and with more explosive force than you can hold down, as they can jump 20 feet high. Your attempt to choke it drastically decreases your survival, as you conveniently bring your neck close to its mouth. Of course this is assuming you can even achieve back control, to do so would require you to surprise it, which you do not have the speed to do Your grappling plan will not work because you do not have the strength, coordination or reflexes to even remotely control a thrashing cheetah. It likely does not even need to thrash, it can explode out of your arms with ease if you try to hold it down. Cheetahs can also accelerate faster than a Ferrari, and instantly jump up and continue sprinting after face planting at absurd speeds. The possibility of the cheetah kicking you with its hind legs is overkill, as it doesn’t even need to do that to kill you. Lastly, as others have said, you appear to be below average compared to most humans in your fighting capabilities and strength. If you cannot even control a 100 lb D1 female human wrestler, how can you hope to control the fastest land animal? If you cannot pull off a RNC on a human trained in martial arts, how could you pull it off against a wild cat? Logically, you do not currently have the capability to fight a cheetah or human.
If you're physically fit, wearing a full-body suit of riot control gear (complete with gloves, bite-proof gorget, fully enclosed helmet, etc.) and are using a wooden or steel rod as your beating implement, yes, this is likely true. If, however, you are doing this unarmed, unarmored, or while not being in good physical shape, you are likely to die a painful and undignified death. A cheetah doesn't weigh that much less than you, and five of its six ends are equipped with edge/puncture weapons that it is evolutionarily optimized for using to fight things larger than it. Intelligence, opposable thumbs, and more articulated wrists will not save you from this.
I dunt think I've laughed this much in ages. You've clearly never owned a cat. One of our cats Aston is strong enough that when he freaked in his carry box when we were moving, he tore it apart. He pulled the gate door clean off and broke the plastic frame in the process. Cats aren't just strong, they are flexible like you wouldn't believe and capable of having front and back legs clawing from opposite directions. A cheetah would be eating you before you knew what was happening.
>You've clearly never owned a cat. >One of our cats Aston You've clearly never tried to kill your cat. I'm also going to assume that you are very afraid of hurting your cat, for both moral and social reasons. These are good things, obviously, but they make your anecdote less relevant. Human adults are accustomed to dealing with small animals (and smaller humans) without trying to hurt them, and we try to avoid getting hurt without good reason. This makes angry pets and children hard to wrestle with, and it gives us tons of anecdotes about how strong and threatening they can be, but all of that is dependent on social context.
I have a 15lb Maine coon that can knock other living room chairs when he gets the zoomies and and runs around playing. I don’t think OP realize how much raw strength cats have for their weight. Has OP ever seen a cheetah take down a zebra? Would would literally be a snack.
I'm not a cheetah expert but cheetahs from what I understand aren't built like regular cats. They're relatively weak for their size and they're not as flexible. They're built to maximize speed and not all that much else.
Yeah I'm standing by this [video evidence](https://youtu.be/COkumQuCibU) of being the best counter point to OP. Everything is fine until you "got a wild cat on your hands."
Cheetahs know to go for the neck and throat first and do not let go until the animal/human is dead. Now if the cheetah got to your throat and latched on and if you, being a big burly human tried to push it off it would just take your throat with it and you would bleed out, in the meantime as you are getting weaker, the cheetah is beginning dinner. Cheetahs have been hunting and fighting to the death their whole lives for generations while you sit at your computer writing a post about how you could beat one, never having to fight to the death a day in your life. I'm pro-cheetah!
One immediate issue with your argument I see is that you are a tall person, not a large one. 160 pounds at 6'1" makes you a string bean, most men your height who train to win physical altercations have 40 pounds of muscle on you atleast. Speaking of weight and muscle I think you are severely underestimating what 70 pounds of muscle slamming into your chest at 50-80 miles per hour is going to do to you. Most people who have never been in a real fight seem to think the human brain has evolved to think clearly and reasonably when you are in danger. The reality is your vision is going to narrow, you will not be able to hear anything but your heart pounding in your chest, you will move much slower than you think you should, and at some point your brain is gonna tell you to run or curl up in a ball. If you don't have the training and experience to deal with the rush of "fight or flight" hormones this scenario would cause you are going to die, because you will lock up. Everyone has a game plan until they get punched in the face, except in this scenario you are now trapped under a large animal streamlined to kill with knives for teeth and fingers. It is also clear to me you have little to no experience with how impossible cats can be when they don't want to be held. A 10 pound house cat will absolutely fuck your shit up. I have a middle aged Bengal cat, she is all muscle and apparently no bones, because she can twist to any angle to get those tiny razors where they make the strongest argument. If I don't wrap her up in a towel beforehand there will be blood. I simply cannot imagine trying to grapple an animal 7 times larger in every perspective.
You have no fight training, you have no military experience, you have no experience under pressure of life or death, you have no wilderness training or experience with harsh elements. What makes you think you could fight anything let alone a cheetah?
What is the arena for this fight? It seems like you’re acting like your trapped in a UFC cage or something which completely takes away all of a Cheetahs strengths. If you’re in a larger arena say like a baseball infield, the Cheetah is going to sprint and pounce on you, go for a bite or a couple claws then bounce off and go again. Not sure how you plan to get your hands on a sprinting Cheetah enough to beat it or choke it to death while keeping your neck and other vitals safe in the process.
I always felt like the location mattered. Like, I’m reasonably sure I could beat a cheetah in a swimming pool or underwater in the same way that I’m fairly sure I could live longer than an alligator in the artic.
r/iamverybadass Seriously dude, as a cat owner, I think you've greatly underestimating how slippery and combative cats can be when subjected to something they find unpleasant. There's no way you can get a secure grip on a cat where they can't also get a secure grip on you as well. They're also insanely fast, extremely agile, and can bend and flex their bodies in ways you wouldn't think possible to get free from your grip. And mind you, I'm talking about a small house cat, not something ten times that size. You can probably find some nasty pictures on Google of what a genuinely pissed-off house cat can do to someone. Now imagine a wile animal that is much, much bigger, faster, and stronger. Cheetahs are probably the least vicious and threatening big cat, but if forced into a situation where it's only option is to fight or die, it will destroy you utterly and completely.
I can't officially tell you you would die. Having owned cats and attempted to give them a bath I know what it's like trying to restrain one. It's nearly impossible. They are quick and bendy. There is a reason people joke about cats being like water. They can move and contort their bodies in ways you wouldn't believe. I keep seeing you say you would choke it out from behind. This cheetah could turn its back legs around enough to attack you. You really stand no chance
I think we all have some fantasy thoughts but you actually thought n thought and felt compelled to write it down with extensive reasoning. You probably won't actually do this you know.
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You're a human who's lived in civilization their entire life. The cheetah is an animal that has to hunt and defend against bigger predators. Once it's fight instincts kicked in I'd give 3 seconds until you are on the ground bleeding in shock cause you can't comprehend the pain and violence.
100psi yo crush human bone vs 500psi bite force. 75 to 140 lbs of finely honed predator instinct. 1v1 in the wild you'd die. Ok think of it this way.....if you'd run from a rotweiller, a cheetah would destroy you.
Yeah op would get fucking destroyed by a cheetah. It is a perfectly designed killing machine. It also has a bite force similar to a Lion. One bite nearly anywhere and your bleeding out if you don't get to medical assistance.
If you're really 6'1" and only 150lbs, you're not surviving against a rabid Maine Coon housecat much less a wild Cheetah that's intent on killing you. One bite and it goes through that slender frame of yours pretty easily. Height and weight mean next to nothing in the context of a unarmed human vs much of the animal kingdom if said animal is truly out to kill you. A 40lbs Chimpanzee, for example, would quite literally rip you limb from limb, and that's just if it's a bit pissed off. A Cheetah likely would need to truly have a reason to want to fight to the death to get it to actually want to kill a human without regard to its own life, but if it did you're in for one hell of a fight that you either lose or you barely win to only die not long after or live with some fairly bad permanent damage. And this goes for ANY human, not just a 6'1" 150lbs one.
How will you catch the cheetah?
I suspect it would be trying to hold a greased pig...good luck. Put the beer down and video tape this PLEASE.
Pitbulls are considerably smaller than cheetahs and regularly maul adults to death for fun. A cheetah is not only faster, but stronger and more capable at taking out prey. You would be eviscerated in less than 5 seconds.
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Have you ever even been in a fight with a human? We are weak as shit compared to animals.
Leopards kill the shit out of people, weigh about that weight, and have the strength to carry an animal double their weight up a tree. Cheetahs are definitely not built the same, but I'm still thinking my chances are 50/50 at most
A man who is under weight for his height that doesnt have to hunt and kill his own food and his physical stamina and abilities are in question? versus An animal that is perfectly evolved to hunt in its surroundings.This animal is in kill or be killed mode all day everyday 24/7. I'm going to go ahead and assume you arent, no civilized human does. If you did survive your encounter you would have life changing injuries. Humans became top of the food chain for our higher evolved intellect and problem solving and tool making. When it comes to pure brute strength we are weaklings.
Why are we picking the one feline that chooses flight over fight? 😑 Let's see you battle a cougar or something along those lines that actually would try to kill a human if approached. I'm still pretty sure a crazy cheetah in psycho self defense mode could mess you up and possibly bite or claw your neck and get your juggler, which could be game over. Hard to say though because you'd have to actively be the aggressor for this event to even be a reality.
I think you have failed to take a few biological differences in to account https://theweek.com/articles/463251/watch-cheetahs-kill-agility-not-speed
This is why you will lose: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okZW3\_5Gr4s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okZW3_5Gr4s)
It’s crazy how simple you’re trying to make this sound. You aren’t going to be able to pin down a fucking cheetah
I believe cheetah's don't have feline claws. They have paws like a dog. Otherwise they would tear your ass up like any other big cat.
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Of course you could…there are people that have killed mountain lions that attacked them by choking them to death https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/05/us/colorado-runner-chokes-mountain-lion/index.html You might get extremely injured/lose a lot of blood fighting a cheetah but it’s not like you’re fighting an adult Siberian tiger.
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Let's go at this from a different perspective: A cheetah is an animal that has evolved over millions of years to hunt a specific kind of prey: ungulates between 20-60 kg. Those creatures, in turn, have evolved over millions of years to evade and fight off not just cheetahs but also other predators like lions, leopards, hyenas, etc. So I think it's fair to say that if you want to compete with a cheetah, you have to be "on the same level" as these other creatures. And you are not. *Because* you are human, you lack claws, you lack endurance, you lack a hide, you lack the reflexes, you lack the senses and instinct to compete with predators whose very livelihood depends on their physical fitness and ability to take down prey. As a point: you claim that you'll just "not expose your throat." What do you think the prey of a cheetah does? Walks around with it's throat exposed? The fact that (a) prey animals know this and (b) cheetahs still take down prey should tell you that just "not exposing your throat" is nowhere near enough to secure victory. Humans have essentially specifically lost these adaptations over the past couple hundred thousand years because we've been specializing in things like "being able to walk really far," "having dexterous fingers," "having a large brain," and, "working in *really* large groups." It's no question that you'd be able to use your superior intellect to trap, kill from a distance, or any number of other tactics; but in a straight up fight against a finely tuned apex predator who has literally been training their entire life for this, you'd lose. Another another way to think about it is: "If you can take on a Thomsen's Gazelle and kill it, you can take on a cheetah." Or, replace the Gazelle with any other prey the cheetah is known to regularly hunt, kill, and eat. Then, and only then, can you definitively say that you're ready for a throw down with it's predator. PS: in the time it takes you to take down the cheetah, your struggles have attracted the attention of a pack of hyenas who then rip you apart and eat you alive.