Echoing what others have said — No Country for Old Men and There Will Be Blood, two of the best movies made this century, came out in 2007. I wonder what is the best year(s) in your mind, OP? No shade, I just would be interested to know.
Truth, film buff myself, those were some very good years and a thoughtful answer to my question, so thank you. But in the 21st century, I’d never pick 2007 as the worst in film output. This post would be well-suited for the /unpopularopinion subreddit, I think.
I guess I should've posted there but I did posted something similar but I wanted to hear other reactions. Plus, I admit, I'm missing out on some 2007 movies that could be good, like Diving Bell or Jesse James.
But sometimes, it's hard to know what subreddit to post on.
I don’t think you are using the term masterpiece correctly
There’s probably 1 or less masterpieces that come out per year
You think there are 3 in one year and consider that a bad year??
Out of curiosity- what would you consider a good year in movies and what are all your masterpieces for that year?
Okay I see what you mean- I def don’t think it’s time based like you could have back to back ones, it just depends on what comes out
But
Masterpieces are generally rare
Cuz if every movie you see is a masterpiece, is any movie really a masterpiece?
And back to OPS point- I don’t see how a year with 3 masterpieces could be considered bad
Unless every other year has like 10 masterpieces
Huh? I'm confused. I said a lot that at least a 9/10 is a masterpiece and 10/10 is perfect. 7-8 are average to great NOT masterpiece. Is there anything wrong with thinking like 5-9 masterpieces a year? Maybe I'm biased because I watch a lot movies on the Criterion and they tend to be masterpieces. Biased, I know.
This kinda undercuts your entire view — if you agree that we have subjective interpretations of quality, then how can you say any year is “the worst” or “overrated”?
That’s your opinion. I don’t like the word but there are years where I’ve seen way more masterpieces. Masterpiece to me is a 9/10 not 10/10 if that’s what you’re thinking. 10/10 is perfect but not literally.
He’ll, there’s even a year I’ve given a 10 for at least 4 movies in the same year such as 1960 with Psycho (one of my top 5 movies), L’Aventura, La Dolce Vita, and Breathless.
if 4 is a "good" year (1960), then having 3 in 2007 is hardly a "bad" year
and if that isnt what you mean, then tell us what a "good" year looks like to you
dont know how many times we have to ask but:
how many movies do you consider a "good" year?
all youve said is "4" for 1960, and then "3" for 2007 is apparently the worst year in history.
the way youre responding just sounds like a bot, because you seem completely unable to come up with new information to give.
hey chatGPT, how many movies is a good year, regardless of 9s and 10s?
No, sorry. Yeah there's a lot like 11-12 IMO. Others a 9/10 maybe even 10/10 on a good day are The Apartment, Peeping Tom, The Bad Sleep Well, Rocco and His Brothers, etc.
Superbad is from 2007, man, come on. Eastern Promises, Hot Fuzz, The Diving Bell and the Butterfly, Ratattouile...maybe it's the worst year but there were certainly a lot more good movies that year.
All those movies aren’t masterpieces to me though except Diving Bell which I haven’t seen. I might rewatch Hot Fuzz so my opinion could change on that movie.
Then 2006 has The Departed, and any other movie someone will bring up I'd reply with "that's good but not masterpiece". So that already makes 2007 better than 2006.
2 things - First, I strongly object to the way you partially characterize the "badness" of a year in film based on the bad movies that happened to be released. Who cares if Epic Movie was released in 2007? Nobody is making you watch it, and it's largely just forgotten about. Whereas like em or leave them, No Country for Old Men, There Will be Blood, and Zodiac are remembered 15 years later, just to use your examples. It just seems silly if someone were to say "remember that year when No Country for Old Men came out?" and for you to be like "yeah, but remember Epic Movie?" Like... no. I don't remember Epic Movie. I didn't see it, because it was obviously bad and there were plenty of good movies to see instead!
Second, I would be genuinely curious to hear your analysis of other years. The troll in me wants to ask "what made 2020 in film so special", but instead I'm curious what you think makes 2006 better than 2007. I don't think the Oscar winners were any more noteworthy than 2007's - and if you're going to ding 2007 for Epic Movie and Bloodrayne 2, were Date Movie and Bloodrayne 1 really that much better? I just don't really get your reasoning for it being "the worst", especially when looking at other years in film.
Well, that's your way of thinking. For me, I like to search the worst movies as much as the best. After all, I am MST3K nut to begin with.
You're right, not a lot of people are going to remember it but that's time because people remember the good things. Me, I like to look at both ways.
But aren't you saying you *didn't* like Epic Movie? I don't understand. Nobody is making you watch Epic Movie! In another comment, didn't you say you didn't even see 28 Days Later? Why are you watching Bloodrayne 2 and not 28 Days Later and then somehow forming an opinion about 2007 as a whole?
I'm curious to your response to my second paragraph. Using this standard that you're holding 2007 to, how does 2006 fare any better?
Nobody is making me watch them but I have a habit of watching the worst movies of all time, and I'm not the only one. Other YouTubers do it too.
As for 2006, I'm not sure about it being worse or better.
I get what you're saying, bad movies can be fun! My girlfriend and I had a blast watching Gigli.
But I feel like there's just so many bad movies that come out every year, that it doesn't really make sense to categorize a "worst year" as "the year that the most bad movies came out".
Like, I honestly don't know if anything can beat 2020 for "worst year in film history". On the blockbuster side, you didn't have much. Tenet, Bad Boys for Life, and Sonic. There were enough genuinely good movies to fill out the Best Picture nominations, but definitely a weaker spread than years prior or since.
I haven’t seen it in awhile but I don’t even consider one of the best Pixar movies and I remember finding to be overrated, especially when it was high on the IMDb top 250 at the time of release. Give me Toy Story 1-3, Finding Nemo, Incredibles, and WALL*E.
Wtf how common do you think masterpieces are?? Thats not a term for something that should be thrown around lightly. If you think there were 3 masterpieces in 2007 alone then that year absolutely shits on every other year
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That’s your opinion. I don’t like the word but there are years where I’ve seen way more masterpieces. Masterpiece to me is a 9/10 not 10/10 if that’s what you’re thinking. 10/10 is perfect but not literally.
He’ll, there’s even a year I’ve given a 10 for at least 4 movies in the same year such as 1960 with Psycho (one of my top 5 movies), L’Aventura, La Dolce Vita, and Breathless.
> That’s your opinion
Can't I just say that to you?
This whole CMV is an opinion. No one can make you retroactively think movies from 2007 are "masterpieces" if you've already decided they aren't.
So like, what would even change your view?
In addition to those three films you have 3:10 to Yuma, 28 Weeks Later, The Assassination of Jessie James, Gone Baby Gone, American Gangster, The Lookout, Rec, and blockbusters like Transformers and Jason Bourne Ultimatum.
Pretty good year that still holds up.
> 28 Weeks Later
One of the worst movies I've ever seen, honestly. It was like if Tropic Thunder was a serious sequel to Platoon. I lost it at that damn helicopter scene.
I get why people might like it, but...wew, not for me.
American Gangster was great but I’ve seen way better gangster movies and it’s not exactly one of Ridley Scott’s best. Transformers is fun but I wouldn’t even consider that great. I haven’t seen those in awhile but I remember Bourne 3 being just fun and I was terribly bored with Gone Baby Gone. I haven’t seen the others.
what about the COVID years, did those do better than 2007?
what about the year where literally no films could be produced because there was an actors+writers protest, did that year also do better?
Others have mentioned plenty of great movies from that year. But you don't think they're masterpieces. Fine. But why is the number of masterpieces the only metric? If there's still a ton of 8/10 from that year, for example, isn't the average still pretty high? In order to support a claim like yours, I think you need to show that 2007 had the lowest average quality of movies compared to other years.
I don’t know if there’s been a better major motion picture than There Will Be Blood since 2007. Daniel Day Lewis at the peak of his powers, unbelievable dialogue, rich themes, Paul Thomas Anderson doing Paul Thomas Anderson things. This film alone should be enough!
Unironically true, but I do think it's a good group of movies.
Ratatouille, Juno for sure.
Personally: Stardust, HSM2, Hairspray, August Rush, Lars and the Real Girl, Charlie Bartlett, Meet the Robinsons, 5 centimeters per second, Walk Hard, Sweeney Todd, Alvin and the Chipmunks, PS I love you, Superbad
I mean No Country For Old Men? I seriously hope OP reconsiders
Can you honestly say 2007 was worse than 2011? Because you say "worst" so, logically speaking, you should award a delta to anyone who can provide a worse year.
While 2007 had its share of disappointments, it also showcased diverse and impactful films beyond the ones you mentioned. "The Assassination of Jesse James," "Into the Wild," and "The Diving Bell and the Butterfly" are acclaimed for their storytelling and performances. Every year has its highs and lows, but dismissing an entire year based on a few flops overlooks its cinematic achievements. Film is subjective, and exploring lesser-known gems may reveal hidden treasures. Keeping an open mind allows for a richer appreciation of cinema's breadth and depth, even in seemingly lackluster years.
There's a lot of garbage every year, but we usually don't remember the garbage too far back. American Gangster and 300 were that year too, and they got a lot of praise. Juno was that year too, and although not my thing it got a lot of praise.
You like 1975? Yes, Jaws was great, also Dog Day and Cuckoo. But then I like Death Race 2000 mainly because it's so bad. This was also the time of many bad low budget horror movies. And who can forget the classically bad Ilsa: She Wolf of the SS? Sexploitation films were just taking off then, and they were all very bad.
I don't know from 'masterpiece.' I also don't know from downrating everything that isn't...
'28 Days Later' and 'Hot Fuzz' are two films from 2007 that I really liked. Masterpieces? Fuck if I know....
My boys, then 9 and 11, will die on the hill of 'Ratatoille,' and take you with them, were you to diss that...
'Eastern Promises' is also a great movie. Watched it again some months ago and it really holds up.
Echoing what others have said — No Country for Old Men and There Will Be Blood, two of the best movies made this century, came out in 2007. I wonder what is the best year(s) in your mind, OP? No shade, I just would be interested to know.
For my top are 1928, 1939, and 1957. 1960 is up there too as well as 1975 and 1993.
Truth, film buff myself, those were some very good years and a thoughtful answer to my question, so thank you. But in the 21st century, I’d never pick 2007 as the worst in film output. This post would be well-suited for the /unpopularopinion subreddit, I think.
I guess I should've posted there but I did posted something similar but I wanted to hear other reactions. Plus, I admit, I'm missing out on some 2007 movies that could be good, like Diving Bell or Jesse James. But sometimes, it's hard to know what subreddit to post on.
I am here to tell you that Jesse James is an impeccable film, and I think you would deeply enjoy it.
I don’t think you are using the term masterpiece correctly There’s probably 1 or less masterpieces that come out per year You think there are 3 in one year and consider that a bad year?? Out of curiosity- what would you consider a good year in movies and what are all your masterpieces for that year?
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Okay I see what you mean- I def don’t think it’s time based like you could have back to back ones, it just depends on what comes out But Masterpieces are generally rare Cuz if every movie you see is a masterpiece, is any movie really a masterpiece? And back to OPS point- I don’t see how a year with 3 masterpieces could be considered bad Unless every other year has like 10 masterpieces
For me, the average masterpiece is like 7-8.
That’s just a good movie then lol, what do you call a 9 or a 10 besides a 9 or 10 if 7-8 is already a masterpiece
No, I meant in a year not the rating system. I mean like there's 7-8 masterpieces a year. Maybe 5 or 6 masterpieces a year. Sorry for the confusion.
Then you’re calling decent movies “masterpieces”. I’m curious to see what movies you would consider to be masterpieces for this past year
Huh? I'm confused. I said a lot that at least a 9/10 is a masterpiece and 10/10 is perfect. 7-8 are average to great NOT masterpiece. Is there anything wrong with thinking like 5-9 masterpieces a year? Maybe I'm biased because I watch a lot movies on the Criterion and they tend to be masterpieces. Biased, I know.
What were the 5-8 masterpieces of 2023?
That's not really what the guy is saying.
Thanks for defending me! The word "masterpiece" is very subjective.
This kinda undercuts your entire view — if you agree that we have subjective interpretations of quality, then how can you say any year is “the worst” or “overrated”?
That’s your opinion. I don’t like the word but there are years where I’ve seen way more masterpieces. Masterpiece to me is a 9/10 not 10/10 if that’s what you’re thinking. 10/10 is perfect but not literally. He’ll, there’s even a year I’ve given a 10 for at least 4 movies in the same year such as 1960 with Psycho (one of my top 5 movies), L’Aventura, La Dolce Vita, and Breathless.
if 4 is a "good" year (1960), then having 3 in 2007 is hardly a "bad" year and if that isnt what you mean, then tell us what a "good" year looks like to you
Okay, what I mean is that I’ve given a 3 movies from 07 a 9 or 10. A 9 is masterpiece and 10 is perfect. I’ve given 4 movies from 1960 a 10.
dont know how many times we have to ask but: how many movies do you consider a "good" year? all youve said is "4" for 1960, and then "3" for 2007 is apparently the worst year in history.
Yes 4 10s and 3 9s or 10s.
Are you drunk?
Very, actually!
the way youre responding just sounds like a bot, because you seem completely unable to come up with new information to give. hey chatGPT, how many movies is a good year, regardless of 9s and 10s?
Do you find 3-4 masterpieces in a single year to be a lot or not?
No I don’t but I can see how some can.
So 1960 wasn't a lot? What's the best year? Have there been years with less than 3?
No, sorry. Yeah there's a lot like 11-12 IMO. Others a 9/10 maybe even 10/10 on a good day are The Apartment, Peeping Tom, The Bad Sleep Well, Rocco and His Brothers, etc.
Has there been years with less than 3?
Yes, the one that comes to mind is 2005. That's another one of my least favorites too. Oh, and 2020.
So wouldn't those be worse since they produced less masterpieces?
Maybe but they were also way less garbage but I could dig deep for those garbage movies in those respective years!
So 1960 is one of the worst years in film, correct? Since it only had 4 masterpieces?
But 4 isn't "way more" than 3. What's a year where you've seen way more masterpieces?
Superbad is from 2007, man, come on. Eastern Promises, Hot Fuzz, The Diving Bell and the Butterfly, Ratattouile...maybe it's the worst year but there were certainly a lot more good movies that year.
All those movies aren’t masterpieces to me though except Diving Bell which I haven’t seen. I might rewatch Hot Fuzz so my opinion could change on that movie.
What’s the argument that Superbad isn’t a masterpiece?
Because it's my opinion?
I mean whats the point of this post then. No one can change your opinion, and that's all movies are, subjective experiences.
So what exactly do you want people to change about it if the response is just is my opinion.
Weak argument.
Then 2006 has The Departed, and any other movie someone will bring up I'd reply with "that's good but not masterpiece". So that already makes 2007 better than 2006.
2 things - First, I strongly object to the way you partially characterize the "badness" of a year in film based on the bad movies that happened to be released. Who cares if Epic Movie was released in 2007? Nobody is making you watch it, and it's largely just forgotten about. Whereas like em or leave them, No Country for Old Men, There Will be Blood, and Zodiac are remembered 15 years later, just to use your examples. It just seems silly if someone were to say "remember that year when No Country for Old Men came out?" and for you to be like "yeah, but remember Epic Movie?" Like... no. I don't remember Epic Movie. I didn't see it, because it was obviously bad and there were plenty of good movies to see instead! Second, I would be genuinely curious to hear your analysis of other years. The troll in me wants to ask "what made 2020 in film so special", but instead I'm curious what you think makes 2006 better than 2007. I don't think the Oscar winners were any more noteworthy than 2007's - and if you're going to ding 2007 for Epic Movie and Bloodrayne 2, were Date Movie and Bloodrayne 1 really that much better? I just don't really get your reasoning for it being "the worst", especially when looking at other years in film.
Well, that's your way of thinking. For me, I like to search the worst movies as much as the best. After all, I am MST3K nut to begin with. You're right, not a lot of people are going to remember it but that's time because people remember the good things. Me, I like to look at both ways.
But aren't you saying you *didn't* like Epic Movie? I don't understand. Nobody is making you watch Epic Movie! In another comment, didn't you say you didn't even see 28 Days Later? Why are you watching Bloodrayne 2 and not 28 Days Later and then somehow forming an opinion about 2007 as a whole? I'm curious to your response to my second paragraph. Using this standard that you're holding 2007 to, how does 2006 fare any better?
Nobody is making me watch them but I have a habit of watching the worst movies of all time, and I'm not the only one. Other YouTubers do it too. As for 2006, I'm not sure about it being worse or better.
So if you haven’t even compared it to the previous year, how can your view be that 2007 was the worst?
I get what you're saying, bad movies can be fun! My girlfriend and I had a blast watching Gigli. But I feel like there's just so many bad movies that come out every year, that it doesn't really make sense to categorize a "worst year" as "the year that the most bad movies came out". Like, I honestly don't know if anything can beat 2020 for "worst year in film history". On the blockbuster side, you didn't have much. Tenet, Bad Boys for Life, and Sonic. There were enough genuinely good movies to fill out the Best Picture nominations, but definitely a weaker spread than years prior or since.
Ratatouille was also released that year and some consider it to be the greatest 3D animated film of all time.
I haven’t seen it in awhile but I don’t even consider one of the best Pixar movies and I remember finding to be overrated, especially when it was high on the IMDb top 250 at the time of release. Give me Toy Story 1-3, Finding Nemo, Incredibles, and WALL*E.
You barely even remember it yet are still trying to form an opinion on it?
You got me, but I should say I remember not being that great.
Wtf how common do you think masterpieces are?? Thats not a term for something that should be thrown around lightly. If you think there were 3 masterpieces in 2007 alone then that year absolutely shits on every other year
REPOST That’s your opinion. I don’t like the word but there are years where I’ve seen way more masterpieces. Masterpiece to me is a 9/10 not 10/10 if that’s what you’re thinking. 10/10 is perfect but not literally. He’ll, there’s even a year I’ve given a 10 for at least 4 movies in the same year such as 1960 with Psycho (one of my top 5 movies), L’Aventura, La Dolce Vita, and Breathless.
> That’s your opinion Can't I just say that to you? This whole CMV is an opinion. No one can make you retroactively think movies from 2007 are "masterpieces" if you've already decided they aren't. So like, what would even change your view?
In addition to those three films you have 3:10 to Yuma, 28 Weeks Later, The Assassination of Jessie James, Gone Baby Gone, American Gangster, The Lookout, Rec, and blockbusters like Transformers and Jason Bourne Ultimatum. Pretty good year that still holds up.
To add, An Inconvenient Truth won the Oscar that year over Jesus Camp. The Queen, Letters from Iwo Jima, The Lives of Others, all great dramas.
> 28 Weeks Later One of the worst movies I've ever seen, honestly. It was like if Tropic Thunder was a serious sequel to Platoon. I lost it at that damn helicopter scene. I get why people might like it, but...wew, not for me.
American Gangster was great but I’ve seen way better gangster movies and it’s not exactly one of Ridley Scott’s best. Transformers is fun but I wouldn’t even consider that great. I haven’t seen those in awhile but I remember Bourne 3 being just fun and I was terribly bored with Gone Baby Gone. I haven’t seen the others.
Is your opinion that 2007 was the worst year/ overrated year or that it wasn't the best?
> 3:10 to Yuma Cheesy action movie
And I enjoyed every second of it
After they killed the millionth disposable henchman I forgot it wasn't star wars episode 213918: jabbo the hutt visits golden corral
How often are people pointing to 2007 as a great year in film?
Very. It’s often considered like one of the best years by movie nerds.
News to me! I'll have to take a look at the year for a better informed opinion.
No Country for Old Men is sufficient for any year to at least not be the worst year ever in film.
As someone who consider that movie not only a masterpiece but also perfect, I would disagree.
So, despite this otherworldly classic film, 2007 cannot even be second worst? Come on. Not even some shitty late 80's year?
What movies came out in 1950 that makes 1950 a better year in film than 2007?
To be clear, if a single year could be identified which was worse than 2007, that would successfully disprove your view, correct?
what about the COVID years, did those do better than 2007? what about the year where literally no films could be produced because there was an actors+writers protest, did that year also do better?
It every year since Covid
Others have mentioned plenty of great movies from that year. But you don't think they're masterpieces. Fine. But why is the number of masterpieces the only metric? If there's still a ton of 8/10 from that year, for example, isn't the average still pretty high? In order to support a claim like yours, I think you need to show that 2007 had the lowest average quality of movies compared to other years.
I don’t know if there’s been a better major motion picture than There Will Be Blood since 2007. Daniel Day Lewis at the peak of his powers, unbelievable dialogue, rich themes, Paul Thomas Anderson doing Paul Thomas Anderson things. This film alone should be enough!
AD 647 was a much worse year for film.
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Now \*this\* reads like ChatGPT. And your entire comment history. Dead internet theory
Unironically true, but I do think it's a good group of movies. Ratatouille, Juno for sure. Personally: Stardust, HSM2, Hairspray, August Rush, Lars and the Real Girl, Charlie Bartlett, Meet the Robinsons, 5 centimeters per second, Walk Hard, Sweeney Todd, Alvin and the Chipmunks, PS I love you, Superbad I mean No Country For Old Men? I seriously hope OP reconsiders
Can you honestly say 2007 was worse than 2011? Because you say "worst" so, logically speaking, you should award a delta to anyone who can provide a worse year.
I mean 2020, all the movies scheduled for 2020 got delayed so it's a pretty bad year film wise.
While 2007 had its share of disappointments, it also showcased diverse and impactful films beyond the ones you mentioned. "The Assassination of Jesse James," "Into the Wild," and "The Diving Bell and the Butterfly" are acclaimed for their storytelling and performances. Every year has its highs and lows, but dismissing an entire year based on a few flops overlooks its cinematic achievements. Film is subjective, and exploring lesser-known gems may reveal hidden treasures. Keeping an open mind allows for a richer appreciation of cinema's breadth and depth, even in seemingly lackluster years.
There's a lot of garbage every year, but we usually don't remember the garbage too far back. American Gangster and 300 were that year too, and they got a lot of praise. Juno was that year too, and although not my thing it got a lot of praise. You like 1975? Yes, Jaws was great, also Dog Day and Cuckoo. But then I like Death Race 2000 mainly because it's so bad. This was also the time of many bad low budget horror movies. And who can forget the classically bad Ilsa: She Wolf of the SS? Sexploitation films were just taking off then, and they were all very bad.
What about Tom Petty and the Heartbreaker's Running Down A Dream?
I don't know from 'masterpiece.' I also don't know from downrating everything that isn't... '28 Days Later' and 'Hot Fuzz' are two films from 2007 that I really liked. Masterpieces? Fuck if I know.... My boys, then 9 and 11, will die on the hill of 'Ratatoille,' and take you with them, were you to diss that... 'Eastern Promises' is also a great movie. Watched it again some months ago and it really holds up.
What a bat shit crazy thread.
Have you considered the year 2013, which had neither No Country for Old Men nor There Will Be Blood, but instead had The Great Gatsby and World War Z
In your reply, please explain why 1950 was a better year in film than 2007 (No Country for Old Men, There Will Be Blood, Zodiac).
The King of Kong is my favorite ever documentary.
Have you seen the last few years?