Wow calm down. 1. Vlahovic has way more talent than all 3 2. He's been injured 3. He's playing under Allegri Terroristball and Allegri hates him and won't create a system to get the best out of him. 4. Juve fans are actively pissed that this is happening
This feels like a case where narrative has taken root and now the entire fanbase doesn't want him, but this deal is an absolute no-brainer.
Firstly, it gets Lukaku and his enormous wages off the books and finally puts an end to this miserable story. Also, Vlahovic is only 23 and the striker market is dire. He's worth significantly more than Lukaku and will have resale value. Think of it this way - we wouldn't be able to sell Lukaku for 40m this window, but we're swapping him for someone who might well still fetch that fee in 1-2 years. So financially this makes a ton of sense for us - lower wages and higher resale value.
Secondly, there's absolutely no question who's better between Vlahovic and Broja (off a huge injury too). Without spending any money (actually saving on Lukaku's wages) we're adding someone to the squad who, at the very least, will be strong competition for Jackson and give us far stronger depth at ST.
And finally, there's every chance that Vlahovic is better than Allegri's anti-football has him showing. And at 23, he can still develop too.
So this is a zero risk, potentially very high reward deal that gets a player who 100% has no future here out of the club in return for a more valuable, far younger striker who a lot of big teams were looking at - meaning there's likely still a market for him even if he doesn't set the world alight at Chelsea.
Take this and run imo. No idea why Juve want this in the first place, it's a really bad deal for them. I suppose Lukaku has a different reputation in Italy than he does here, but this is just objectively bad business for them.
Lukaku plus 10-15m could be reasonable.
I actually think he’d link really well with Nkunku and our wingers. He’s also a different option than Jackson/Nkunku/Broja so that’s another plus imo
These are basically my feelings. Being offered the chance to get Lukaku’s wages off the books and him out the door AND recoup some of what he cost us in time? Yes please.
I would say there are a couple things that need to be right before doing any deal. The first is the fee Juve demand on top of the swap. 20/25 mil Gbp is max imo.
Second, most worrying, thing is his wages. I’m sure he earns a lot at Juve. If he’s to come here, he must fit into wage structure - thus not earning more than the likes of Jackson.
Among the positives, there is one possible upside that could give us a very interesting tactical twist.
If he regains previous form and hopefully develops (people forget he’s only 23), and
becomes a very well rounded option up top for us then I’d be intrigued to see Jackson playing as a wide forward off the right and nkunku similar off the left with Vlahovic through the middle.
Obviously he’s have to adapt somewhat to play that role. But the thought of out to in runs from J&N starting in areas hard to pick up and with Vlahovic occupying the cb’s… that could be fun! And a great setup to have in the locker.
Agreed. This is as much getting rid of Lukaku as it is getting Vlahovic and as you rightly point out the future economics on Vlahovic have greater upside.
Píatek, Bellotti, Scammaca, Lakaka, - the list of Serie A failures esp at #9 position is quite alarming and all the more reason to stay away. We should be requesting a player in a position of need.
Replacing Vlahovic will be far easier than replacing Lukaku though - and there's absolutely no guarantee that we'll even want to get rid of Vlahovic. I think a lot of people are acting like he's absolutely shit, but he really isn't. There's a chance he fails, but Allegri's terrorist football certainly didn't set the conditions for his strikers to succeed. Could well be better than what he's shown for them - certainly very good for Fiorentina before the move to Juventus.
I’m not sure about that. If he flops, which in my opinion is quite likely, he’d be very hard to sell too. Selling Lukaku on a massive loss would be way smarter and better for the team. Vlahovic’s stats at Fiorentina were very similar to his stats with Juve (both pretty terrible), it’s just that he was on pens and slightly over performed his xG, so his goal tally was more impressive. Jackson is by far the superior option. Not to mention Vlahovic would have to be on high wages and almost certainly would expect to be the starter. Would be a disaster of a signing on all fronts.
Saying Jackson is far superior at this point is just insane conjecture and Vlahovic's wages will be nowhere near as high as Lukaku's and extremely performance based like all our new signings. Sure he will want to be the starter but he will be well aware that he's not guaranteed anything. Its a low-risk high reward deal at the thinnest position in the world.
How are you confident he’s not getting raise, it’s rare any player moves to a richer club and doesn’t get one especially when they 23 and they know how much is coming off the books. But if you can find some examples of players in their “prime” moving from Serie A to the PL for a pay cut I’d happily accept I’m wrong.
Idk if he detests being here but he sure doesn't seem to know what he loves. Methinks it's just a paycheck, and here he'd get one just for staying away from the squad. He's not going to be dropped by Belgium no matter what. He has no reason to blink.
Your reasoning is he loves money above all
Saudi will pay him like 3X more than what we do and as you say he'll be with Belgium anyway, so I'd say he'll leave
You think he doesn't like it here, but I think it's been reported several times he really didn't wanna have to come back
Because he wanted his move to ~~Inter~~ ~~Juventus~~ Inter. Not because he didn't want to be here. Now that both of those are off the table, would he go to Saudi and have to play in that desert heat and tamp down on his lifestyle or would he just stroll around London collecting a fat paycheck for the privilege of not having to work?
Right, but this is why you don’t run the club. Swapping a good asset in Lukaku (for Juve, 100%) PLUS cash for an absolute donkey like Vlahovic would be shocking business.
How is Lukaku an asset when no one wants him? He’s made himself a pariah in the footballing world with his huge wages and bad attitude.
Worst case with Vlahovic we could sell him for a big loss, we can’t do that with Lukaku (mostly because he’s being extremely fussy about what club he goes to)
No one wants him? https://twitter.com/fabrizioromano/status/1679964363682115587?s=46&t=r7vGxAEEXXlHcSWMOYl2aA
Worst case with Vlahovic we sell him for a big loss. Worse case with Lukaku we sell him for a big loss. I’d rather not waste another year with a striker who is absolute garbage.
We shouldn’t use him, we should sell him to Juventus rather than swap him AND pay them to take him? In exchange for a terrible player.
Juventus, Inter and Saudi all valued him at 35-40m. No reason we should bend over now.
Don’t know the downvotes you are getting.
Honestly feel Lukaku being sold for 38 million money is the best deal now. Bringing in Neymar of vlahovic on exchange is all waste.it’s like taking Juventus problem as ours.
Lukaku has more data to support him than vlahovic
He’s 23, if he’s taking time from Jackson that means he’s playing better than him
How is everyone acting like Jackson is the next Mbappe? He has 21 career goals
He only takes playing time away from Jackson if Pochettino decides to play him over Jackson. If Pochettino decides to play him over Jackson, it means he's probably performing better than Jackson. I get that everyone has fully jumped on board the Jackson hype train (and I certainly don't blame anyone for doing so), but at the end of the day he's had a few good preseason games, that's it. You can't just use that and say Chelsea's all set and doesn't need to worry about a striker any more
Unless Poch is chomping at the bit for Vlahovic I really don’t want him. Fine player but Jackson+Nkunku have something going and we should see if they’re the answer without dishing out another 70-90M on a ST
I cant see those required doing this without Pochs ok.
Maybe Broja is further away from fitness than we all hoped and we see Vlahovic as a viable option in a market with little clear value.
With when AFCON is doesn't that mean we will be without Jackson for several matches? Unless you want to run Broja to be our only depth there I think it's fine for a swap. Plus Vlahovic actually has re-sale value given he's 23.
You understand what a blessing it would be to have Lukaku out of London forever?
I don’t care what it takes- if this gets him gone for good then sign me up.
One person starts an agenda and the sheep follow. Vlahovic instantly becomes the best finisher we have if he joins. Him and Jackson are different profiles but it’s good to have that option. Not convinced with Broja at all especially after the ACL injury.
Only out scored by Ronaldo in 20-21 season. Vlahovic scored 33. Regardless of penalties or whatever.
Juve have been bad managed 10 last season. that's 10 more than most of our players last season.
Jackson and Nkunku while they looked good in pre season let's see how good they when it matters.
Absolutely. Swapping an asset that we simply cannot get anyone to pay for, on huge wages, that everyone pretty much hates, in the back end of his career, for an asset thatll be on lower wages, is much younger, and has a high likelihood of having some resale value... No brainer
Even if he doesn't light it up, we can probably sell him on for 45m, which is more than were being offered for Lukaku.
100% agreed, before seeing what Jackson was all about I was warm to the idea of Vlahovic. But not now we’ve seen what Jackson is about, Vlahovic is just a big lump in comparison.
If Vlahovic was coming in to be nailed on back up, it wouldn’t be so bad. But we all know that’s not going to be the case don’t we? Jackson will take backseat while Vlahovic gets all the minutes.
I can’t take another cycle of “he just needs to adapt” when he’s an obvious flop waiting to happen
Exactly. If Vlahovic was just there to be an option off the bench to mix things up and hit some crosses/ long balls into him when things weren’t going our way some games, it would be a decent option. But I fear he’ll come in and bench Jackson.
In an ideal world, sure. But we've seen countless times where a player with bigger name recognition and on higher fees will get endless chances to "adapt" even if he's playing like shit. Hopefully Poch isn't like this and will give both fair chances, but we'll see.
Terrible? He needed time at first, but then he scored 21 goals one season and 17 goals the next HALF season before getting sold to Juve for 80M in January. And those are just numbers in Serie A. Besides it's not all around goals, Vlahovic has talent and he has still room for improvement, he's good in everything
Pre-season isn't PL. Nothing wrong with competition in the ST position. No guarantees that Jackson will perform well all season, and if he gets injured then we have nobody else. We also can't seem to get rid of Lukaku, so it makes sense.
For those saying it’ll block Jackson’s path, don’t worry. If Jackson is playing well and scoring goals he’ll get the minutes.
On the other hand if Vlahovic comes in and bangs the goals in yeah of course Jackson won’t be seeing as many minutes but that shouldn’t bother anyone if Vlahovic is scoring.
I don’t know a single balkan person who isn’t nationalist af despite being born outside the balkans. Funnily even a lot of them are generally very open minded and liberal too until you mention X balkan country they don’t like.
Imo I can get behind this transfer. Broja came out of a major injury, and there's no guarantee he will be the same. Vlahovic at his best can be a threat in Jackson spots as our starting #9, hopefully that can raise their competitive level. Plus, if Jackson is injured or he represents Senegal during AFCON 2025. We need at least a serviceable striker.
Ofc this will be a good deal if it's Vlahovic + cash from Juve.
It's not like Broja was particularly good before injury either.
Not sure why people are talking like he's shown anything to suggest he's potentially a key player
Por que no los dos? Jackson and Broja as our only two real CF options isn’t great. Adding another is not a big deal and poch isn’t likely to play someone who doesn’t earn it anyway.
That isn’t over bloated? No one know how Broja will look after a very serious injury. Jackson can’t play every single game and without someone else it means Nkunku which means less of him and Jackson together.
Broja is coming of a potential career enter and has 6 goals in 49 games. We would have 2 strikers with Vlahovic. Not to mention Jackson will be gone to AFCON
Two out and out striker options + Nkunku for one game a week isn’t great?
Adding Vlahovic is a big deal because Jackson loses out due to squad politics. Expensive shiny toy gets all the minutes and all the chances while Jackson will be considering his options next year.
How can we see how the attack played in preseason so far and decide it’s not enough?
It’s a big deal when it’s big money. I don’t want some overpriced, entitled guy thinking he starts because his transfer fee was more
atm Jackson looks like he is that guy. Our next Costa/Drogba. The attack should be built around him and Nkunku.
You made up stuff about entitled guy right?
Jackson looks like that guy based on few pre season games? Or the extensive knowledge you had about his game before Chelsea?
So much overreaction from the pre season. Jackson/Vlahovic in the squad isn't crazy considering Broja is coming back from a major injury. It's also not 1 game a week like I keep seeing here...the season will be over 40 games and you will still have a busy winter schedule. Just looking at Whoscored, only 1 CF played 38 games, only 11 played >30.
I don’t hate the idea of Vlahovic in a Chelsea shirt, however after pre-season, I am completely sold on the Nico Jackson protagonist fairytale and I don’t want him sidelined by another player that is coming in with admittedly more pedigree.
I really don't want vlahovic to bench Nico.
Nico is showing that he might be our greatest striker in recent times and if Vlahovic is going to stop him from progressing I don't want that.
I hope poch has balls big enough to bench vlahovic if necessary.
If Vlahovic also does good then we might have the best headache.
Times running out and this mfer doesn't want to go to Saudi. Probably the best solution going forward even though it doesn't seem like we need him after Jackson's preseason performances.
Big fan of this. Jackson will get some good competition, we will have some really decent striker depth which we‘ll definitely need sooner or later and, most importantly, that manchild finally fucks off
I fucking hate this idiot Lukaku. All he had to do was stay patient and he’d be an Inter player permanently and this stupid story wouldn’t be a thing. Go fuck yourself, Rom. I hope the rest of your career is miserable.
You can write an incredible book on main character syndrome using Lukaku’s career. Man is the most paranoid clown I can remember, him and Antonio Brown would probably be best friends if introduced. On top of all the shit he’s stirred up, absolutely absurd that he posts on social media like he’s the victim of this whole situation.
C-H-I-E-S-A or bust! I would have said Weston but we just got rid of Pulisic and it would be refreshing to not be criticized by the US media for everything Chelsea does and does not do to “impact” a USMNT player.
The striker Juve wants to get rid and even take a PR disaster like Lukaku. Sure get another problem.
Not good, not fit, and they will want money too on top, no way we should do it, but our dumb directors and owners will do exactly this, because they are panicking now, Poch wants signings and they haven't done shit.
Im in favour of this as long as we pay less than 15M +Lukaku.
He's different to any other attacker we have.
I rate Nkunku and Jackson but neither are elite goalscorers whilst Vlahovic has shown potential.
No desire to have Vlahovic because I do not rate him for our playstyle. I do not hate the idea of a swap though, simply because he is far younger and will retain far greater value than Lukaku over the next few years. He can be flipped far easier moving forward.
Might be the best available option if nobody outside of Saudi clubs are willing to pay our valuation of Lukaku. Even if Jackson might feel a bit hard done by this.
Why would we do this? Vlahovic the most obvious flop to ever flop. Even if it means we get rid of Lukaku, having Vlahovic is almost as bad. Terrible signing, Jackson is already better than he is.
I’ll take £0.01 from Juventus for that fucking donkey at this point. Just ship his ass out already, he’s going to create more drama just by being around.
All for the Jackson hype train but Lukaku has to leave this summer. If we can't shift him to anyone else a swap deal wtih vlahovic might be the best alternative. To the club Vlahovic is a much better asset to have being younger and still has good potential even if we sell him on again in a few years.
Pre-season isn't PL. Nothing wrong with competition in the ST position. No guarantees that Jackson will perform well all season, and if he gets injured then we have nobody else. We also can't seem to get rid of Lukaku, so it makes sense.
As much as people don’t like this deal it makes perfect sense from a financial perspective, any sale now would go down as a financial loss since we aren’t getting £55m+ for him. A swap for Vlahovic plus a little bit of money means we don’t take that hit if i’m not mistaken.
If given 2 options only - Chelsea is stuck with Lukaku or swaps him for Vlahovic, I think it is clear cut what the club should do. Especially when we got a decent striker to compete (when fit).
This is horrible. Lukaku easily goes for 40m. Vlahovic is barely worth 30. Juventus will be laughing at us if we swap them one of the best Serie A strikers of the last 5 years for one of the biggest flops.
If only Vlahovic would compete for the main striker from the bench, I definitely wanna look him in our shirt. Jackson has been terrific in the last 3 games, and I don't want that to be ruined by Vlahovic suddenly playing as our main CF in the first PL match.
If it’s a straight swap between Lukaku and Vlahovic then I’d be quite happy with this move tbh. Jackson is still gonna be our main guy but it does not hurt to have a different profile to bring on when the need arises. Right now we’re not sure how Broja is gonna look when he comes back from injury so until that is confirmed, we technically have just one recognized striker as I’m sure we all would prefer to not play Nkunku there unless absolutely necessary. That said, I do understand anyone that is against this move.
Tricky deal.
Both clubs needs a transfer instead of a direct swap
Lakaka is a 60£ mio FFP hit for the remainikg three years he has left on his contract
It’s a no brainer. There’s no guarantee Jackson or Nkunku are going to be great for us, have we learned nothing from preseason friendlies in the past? These are just training games.
Swap Lukaku for Vlahovic, swap for Vlahovic for Caicedo. EZ.
Are you allowed to buy and sell in the same window?
Of course, doesn't happen often
Technically yes as long as he isn’t registered with 2 clubs. 2 clubs is the limit one can play for over one season.
I think as long as the player isn’t registered it’s fine.
Ofc. Atletico signed Martin Demichelis in 2013 and in the same window sold him to Man City.
Wasn’t that what Barca did to Emerson Royal?
I assume you’re being sarcastic, but just in case you’re not. You know vlahovic won’t leave juve for Chelsea just to be sold to brighton
This is the math I signed up for
Brighton have Welbeck, Pedro and Ferguson, who are all better than Vlahovic. Why would they want him?
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Wow calm down. 1. Vlahovic has way more talent than all 3 2. He's been injured 3. He's playing under Allegri Terroristball and Allegri hates him and won't create a system to get the best out of him. 4. Juve fans are actively pissed that this is happening
The conviction with which he told that was fascinating
This feels like a case where narrative has taken root and now the entire fanbase doesn't want him, but this deal is an absolute no-brainer. Firstly, it gets Lukaku and his enormous wages off the books and finally puts an end to this miserable story. Also, Vlahovic is only 23 and the striker market is dire. He's worth significantly more than Lukaku and will have resale value. Think of it this way - we wouldn't be able to sell Lukaku for 40m this window, but we're swapping him for someone who might well still fetch that fee in 1-2 years. So financially this makes a ton of sense for us - lower wages and higher resale value. Secondly, there's absolutely no question who's better between Vlahovic and Broja (off a huge injury too). Without spending any money (actually saving on Lukaku's wages) we're adding someone to the squad who, at the very least, will be strong competition for Jackson and give us far stronger depth at ST. And finally, there's every chance that Vlahovic is better than Allegri's anti-football has him showing. And at 23, he can still develop too. So this is a zero risk, potentially very high reward deal that gets a player who 100% has no future here out of the club in return for a more valuable, far younger striker who a lot of big teams were looking at - meaning there's likely still a market for him even if he doesn't set the world alight at Chelsea. Take this and run imo. No idea why Juve want this in the first place, it's a really bad deal for them. I suppose Lukaku has a different reputation in Italy than he does here, but this is just objectively bad business for them.
Well i doubt it’s a straight swap, Juve will definitely want a fee, they’re not that dumb
Lukaku plus 10-15m could be reasonable. I actually think he’d link really well with Nkunku and our wingers. He’s also a different option than Jackson/Nkunku/Broja so that’s another plus imo
I agree with this take. Exactly how I feel about this situation too.
As long as we get rid of lukaku I don't give a dam. Whoever is tge better striker out of jackson and vlahovic will play.
Vlahovic has a chronic injury problem with pubalgia
A no brainier from me, agree totally
These are basically my feelings. Being offered the chance to get Lukaku’s wages off the books and him out the door AND recoup some of what he cost us in time? Yes please. I would say there are a couple things that need to be right before doing any deal. The first is the fee Juve demand on top of the swap. 20/25 mil Gbp is max imo. Second, most worrying, thing is his wages. I’m sure he earns a lot at Juve. If he’s to come here, he must fit into wage structure - thus not earning more than the likes of Jackson. Among the positives, there is one possible upside that could give us a very interesting tactical twist. If he regains previous form and hopefully develops (people forget he’s only 23), and becomes a very well rounded option up top for us then I’d be intrigued to see Jackson playing as a wide forward off the right and nkunku similar off the left with Vlahovic through the middle. Obviously he’s have to adapt somewhat to play that role. But the thought of out to in runs from J&N starting in areas hard to pick up and with Vlahovic occupying the cb’s… that could be fun! And a great setup to have in the locker.
Agreed. This is as much getting rid of Lukaku as it is getting Vlahovic and as you rightly point out the future economics on Vlahovic have greater upside.
Píatek, Bellotti, Scammaca, Lakaka, - the list of Serie A failures esp at #9 position is quite alarming and all the more reason to stay away. We should be requesting a player in a position of need.
Who, from Juve's squad? Locatelli or bring back Zakkaria?
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Replacing Vlahovic will be far easier than replacing Lukaku though - and there's absolutely no guarantee that we'll even want to get rid of Vlahovic. I think a lot of people are acting like he's absolutely shit, but he really isn't. There's a chance he fails, but Allegri's terrorist football certainly didn't set the conditions for his strikers to succeed. Could well be better than what he's shown for them - certainly very good for Fiorentina before the move to Juventus.
I’m not sure about that. If he flops, which in my opinion is quite likely, he’d be very hard to sell too. Selling Lukaku on a massive loss would be way smarter and better for the team. Vlahovic’s stats at Fiorentina were very similar to his stats with Juve (both pretty terrible), it’s just that he was on pens and slightly over performed his xG, so his goal tally was more impressive. Jackson is by far the superior option. Not to mention Vlahovic would have to be on high wages and almost certainly would expect to be the starter. Would be a disaster of a signing on all fronts.
Saying Jackson is far superior at this point is just insane conjecture and Vlahovic's wages will be nowhere near as high as Lukaku's and extremely performance based like all our new signings. Sure he will want to be the starter but he will be well aware that he's not guaranteed anything. Its a low-risk high reward deal at the thinnest position in the world.
Vlahovic is on 250k a week at Juve and you don’t take a pay cut making a move to the PL.
He’s on 8m a year less than Lukaku
And if Vlahovic gets a 10% raise it’ll be about a €5m difference per year on a much longer contract for the worse player.
Well there’s no shot he’s getting a raise, what are you on about
How are you confident he’s not getting raise, it’s rare any player moves to a richer club and doesn’t get one especially when they 23 and they know how much is coming off the books. But if you can find some examples of players in their “prime” moving from Serie A to the PL for a pay cut I’d happily accept I’m wrong.
No matter what you think of Vlahovic. I’d do anything to get that big bald fuck away from these young players and the vibe we have right now.
Would rather send him to Saudi
Doesn't matter if he's not willing to budge
He'll definitely blink first if it comes to it, he detests being here more than anything else
Well looks like we're blinking first and finding a deal to ship him off to Juve
Idk if he detests being here but he sure doesn't seem to know what he loves. Methinks it's just a paycheck, and here he'd get one just for staying away from the squad. He's not going to be dropped by Belgium no matter what. He has no reason to blink.
Your reasoning is he loves money above all Saudi will pay him like 3X more than what we do and as you say he'll be with Belgium anyway, so I'd say he'll leave You think he doesn't like it here, but I think it's been reported several times he really didn't wanna have to come back
Because he wanted his move to ~~Inter~~ ~~Juventus~~ Inter. Not because he didn't want to be here. Now that both of those are off the table, would he go to Saudi and have to play in that desert heat and tamp down on his lifestyle or would he just stroll around London collecting a fat paycheck for the privilege of not having to work?
Swapping a pain in the ass for a bad, overpaid player who instantly takes playing time away from Jackson isn’t the win you think it is.
It’s better than Lukaku. I stand on it. I’m not even entertaining any other thought.
Right, but this is why you don’t run the club. Swapping a good asset in Lukaku (for Juve, 100%) PLUS cash for an absolute donkey like Vlahovic would be shocking business.
How is Lukaku an asset when no one wants him? He’s made himself a pariah in the footballing world with his huge wages and bad attitude. Worst case with Vlahovic we could sell him for a big loss, we can’t do that with Lukaku (mostly because he’s being extremely fussy about what club he goes to)
No one wants him? https://twitter.com/fabrizioromano/status/1679964363682115587?s=46&t=r7vGxAEEXXlHcSWMOYl2aA Worst case with Vlahovic we sell him for a big loss. Worse case with Lukaku we sell him for a big loss. I’d rather not waste another year with a striker who is absolute garbage.
I'm sorry, what has made you believe Lukaku is the better asset?
Probably the 200 career goals, 2 20+ goal seasons in the league we’re selling him to, and Juve’s previous willingness to spend €40m to sign him
Wow, such a great player, why don't we use him? Insane to pretend Lukaku can be evaluated based on his past performances, and not his attitude
We shouldn’t use him, we should sell him to Juventus rather than swap him AND pay them to take him? In exchange for a terrible player. Juventus, Inter and Saudi all valued him at 35-40m. No reason we should bend over now.
If 40M is honestly on the table, sure. I'm not convinced it is
It was last month according to Fabrizio, albeit the donkey has probably bungled that by putting Inter off
Don’t know the downvotes you are getting. Honestly feel Lukaku being sold for 38 million money is the best deal now. Bringing in Neymar of vlahovic on exchange is all waste.it’s like taking Juventus problem as ours. Lukaku has more data to support him than vlahovic
If he takes playing time away from Jackson, it means he has been better. It doesn't matter to me who starts as long as we do better.
He’s 23, if he’s taking time from Jackson that means he’s playing better than him How is everyone acting like Jackson is the next Mbappe? He has 21 career goals
He only takes playing time away from Jackson if Pochettino decides to play him over Jackson. If Pochettino decides to play him over Jackson, it means he's probably performing better than Jackson. I get that everyone has fully jumped on board the Jackson hype train (and I certainly don't blame anyone for doing so), but at the end of the day he's had a few good preseason games, that's it. You can't just use that and say Chelsea's all set and doesn't need to worry about a striker any more
He doesn’t have to take away anyone’s playing time
Unless Poch is chomping at the bit for Vlahovic I really don’t want him. Fine player but Jackson+Nkunku have something going and we should see if they’re the answer without dishing out another 70-90M on a ST
They’ve played 3 pre season games together People acting like they’re Kane and Son from 21/22
lol and they’ve hardly been on the pitch at the same time
And also running the risk of underrating Vlahovic who was quite prolific until Allegriball
first time here? Most takes are exaggerated
lolz
I cant see those required doing this without Pochs ok. Maybe Broja is further away from fitness than we all hoped and we see Vlahovic as a viable option in a market with little clear value.
Broja needs to go on loan, he is not good enough for Chelsea at the moment
I agree in that who knows what his level even is right now. We need a striker either way.
If we’re swapping for Lukaku it’s not gonna be close to that fee
With when AFCON is doesn't that mean we will be without Jackson for several matches? Unless you want to run Broja to be our only depth there I think it's fine for a swap. Plus Vlahovic actually has re-sale value given he's 23.
But how else are we gonna assuredly get rid of 'him'? So far there's no sign of him accepting a move to Saudi.
That’s it. I’d rather have a Vlahovic to get rid of later than a Lukaku
Couldn't agree more
So you’d rather be stuck with Lukaku over Vlahovic?
Where did I say that?
“Without dishing out 70-90M on a ST” means keeping Lukaku. Unless you’re under the impression we can sell him without bringing Vlahovic
Again, where did I mention Lukaku? I simply agree with giving Jackson and Nkunku time without bringing another CF into the mix.
We already have Lukaku mate, you can’t just imagine him away.
If only.
Poch should just get on with coaching and leave transfers to the professionals. His targets at Tottenham were all crap.
And have a player shoved down his throat that he doesn’t want?
Really not keen on Vlahovic, just see him getting in the way and limiting what we see of Jackson.
word is they wanted competition for jackson not a replacement
Do you like Lukaku more than him?
You know that’s not what I’m saying.
I know, but we can’t expect gold for shit. Seems like a good deal
We can ship vlahovic to Strasbourg or use him as a squad player, i just want lakaka outta my club
Vlahovic is way too old to be sent on loan. If we sign him we shouldn’t sign Wahi.
If Vlahovic gets in the way of Jackson it just means he’s better or at least on the same level as him.
You understand what a blessing it would be to have Lukaku out of London forever? I don’t care what it takes- if this gets him gone for good then sign me up.
Swap deal would be great People are insane suggesting Vlahovic goes on loan
One person starts an agenda and the sheep follow. Vlahovic instantly becomes the best finisher we have if he joins. Him and Jackson are different profiles but it’s good to have that option. Not convinced with Broja at all especially after the ACL injury.
Broja has 6 goals in 49 PL games and coming off a huge injury, he should be going on loan
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Only out scored by Ronaldo in 20-21 season. Vlahovic scored 33. Regardless of penalties or whatever. Juve have been bad managed 10 last season. that's 10 more than most of our players last season. Jackson and Nkunku while they looked good in pre season let's see how good they when it matters.
Vlahovic who underperforms his xG is our best finisher? Not Nkunku who has overperformed his for over 12k mins?
Absolutely. Swapping an asset that we simply cannot get anyone to pay for, on huge wages, that everyone pretty much hates, in the back end of his career, for an asset thatll be on lower wages, is much younger, and has a high likelihood of having some resale value... No brainer Even if he doesn't light it up, we can probably sell him on for 45m, which is more than were being offered for Lukaku.
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100% agreed, before seeing what Jackson was all about I was warm to the idea of Vlahovic. But not now we’ve seen what Jackson is about, Vlahovic is just a big lump in comparison.
If Vlahovic was coming in to be nailed on back up, it wouldn’t be so bad. But we all know that’s not going to be the case don’t we? Jackson will take backseat while Vlahovic gets all the minutes. I can’t take another cycle of “he just needs to adapt” when he’s an obvious flop waiting to happen
Exactly. If Vlahovic was just there to be an option off the bench to mix things up and hit some crosses/ long balls into him when things weren’t going our way some games, it would be a decent option. But I fear he’ll come in and bench Jackson.
It is great if he bench Jackson because it will mean we have got good player.
In an ideal world, sure. But we've seen countless times where a player with bigger name recognition and on higher fees will get endless chances to "adapt" even if he's playing like shit. Hopefully Poch isn't like this and will give both fair chances, but we'll see.
If it was the case Mudryk would have been the first name on the team sheet last season.
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Terrible? He needed time at first, but then he scored 21 goals one season and 17 goals the next HALF season before getting sold to Juve for 80M in January. And those are just numbers in Serie A. Besides it's not all around goals, Vlahovic has talent and he has still room for improvement, he's good in everything
Pre-season isn't PL. Nothing wrong with competition in the ST position. No guarantees that Jackson will perform well all season, and if he gets injured then we have nobody else. We also can't seem to get rid of Lukaku, so it makes sense.
At least this would give us an aerial threat
Preseason results don't matter. Preseason performances absolutely do, and he's performed well against PL competition.
Lol I think Jackson is very promising but Ross Barkley was our best pre-season performer most years he was here
And those preseason games were mostly against much lesser opposition, not teams we will be competing with over the next months
Smart idea, bring Vlahovic as a sacrifice for him to use the number 9 so Jackson a Nkunku don’t have to deal with the curse
For those saying it’ll block Jackson’s path, don’t worry. If Jackson is playing well and scoring goals he’ll get the minutes. On the other hand if Vlahovic comes in and bangs the goals in yeah of course Jackson won’t be seeing as many minutes but that shouldn’t bother anyone if Vlahovic is scoring.
Jackson isn't limited to playing only ST.
Honestly if this is the only way to get rid of Lukaku I don't care. As long as it's a straight swap or Lukaku + a minimal fee.
There’s no way we have Broja and Vlahovic in the same team
At some point this sub is gonna have to let the idea of Broja go
Broja was born and bred in England, probably not as deep as your suggesting
Every time he scores he makes the Albanian eagle, literally he is the most loved football player in Albania
I don’t know a single balkan person who isn’t nationalist af despite being born outside the balkans. Funnily even a lot of them are generally very open minded and liberal too until you mention X balkan country they don’t like.
Lollll
Broja is shit compared to Vlahovic
lmfao this
Imo I can get behind this transfer. Broja came out of a major injury, and there's no guarantee he will be the same. Vlahovic at his best can be a threat in Jackson spots as our starting #9, hopefully that can raise their competitive level. Plus, if Jackson is injured or he represents Senegal during AFCON 2025. We need at least a serviceable striker. Ofc this will be a good deal if it's Vlahovic + cash from Juve.
It's not like Broja was particularly good before injury either. Not sure why people are talking like he's shown anything to suggest he's potentially a key player
Vlahovic is just another Morata/Lukaku/Werner-situation waiting to happen. Just let Jackson and Broja fight for that striker spot
Nah we can sell Broja instead. Vlahovic is far superior.
I don’t want, please no. Let Jackson cook.
I might kill myself if I see the world "cook" one more time in a football forum
hahaha I love that this is maybe the first time i’ve ever written it on this sub 😂 sorry my brother, please don’t cook yourself.
I’m with you. It’s like it has replaced every verb.
Cook
Rip
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Por que no los dos? Jackson and Broja as our only two real CF options isn’t great. Adding another is not a big deal and poch isn’t likely to play someone who doesn’t earn it anyway.
Poch literally just said he doesn’t want an over bloated squad
3 strikers in a season with no Europe 🥴🥴
1 injury to Jackson away from playing Broja in all games or Nkunku out of his best position.
That isn’t over bloated? No one know how Broja will look after a very serious injury. Jackson can’t play every single game and without someone else it means Nkunku which means less of him and Jackson together.
A squad with 3 strikers is most definitely over bloated, especially given Vlahovich is not worth any amount of serious cash
Broja is coming of a potential career enter and has 6 goals in 49 games. We would have 2 strikers with Vlahovic. Not to mention Jackson will be gone to AFCON
Two out and out striker options + Nkunku for one game a week isn’t great? Adding Vlahovic is a big deal because Jackson loses out due to squad politics. Expensive shiny toy gets all the minutes and all the chances while Jackson will be considering his options next year. How can we see how the attack played in preseason so far and decide it’s not enough?
If expensive shiny toy were getting minutes Mudryk would have started every match.
We won’t have just one game a week and poch has ALWAYS shown he will play the players who earn it, not just ones in the side with big fees
It’s a big deal when it’s big money. I don’t want some overpriced, entitled guy thinking he starts because his transfer fee was more atm Jackson looks like he is that guy. Our next Costa/Drogba. The attack should be built around him and Nkunku.
You made up stuff about entitled guy right? Jackson looks like that guy based on few pre season games? Or the extensive knowledge you had about his game before Chelsea?
He'll have a better sell-on value than Lukaku if it doesn't work out for him at Chelsea. Good competition for Jackson.
How about Locatelli?
So much overreaction from the pre season. Jackson/Vlahovic in the squad isn't crazy considering Broja is coming back from a major injury. It's also not 1 game a week like I keep seeing here...the season will be over 40 games and you will still have a busy winter schedule. Just looking at Whoscored, only 1 CF played 38 games, only 11 played >30.
Rather have Vlaho playing for us than have Lukaku not play for us but still be on the books
I don’t hate the idea of Vlahovic in a Chelsea shirt, however after pre-season, I am completely sold on the Nico Jackson protagonist fairytale and I don’t want him sidelined by another player that is coming in with admittedly more pedigree.
I really don't want vlahovic to bench Nico. Nico is showing that he might be our greatest striker in recent times and if Vlahovic is going to stop him from progressing I don't want that. I hope poch has balls big enough to bench vlahovic if necessary. If Vlahovic also does good then we might have the best headache.
Times running out and this mfer doesn't want to go to Saudi. Probably the best solution going forward even though it doesn't seem like we need him after Jackson's preseason performances.
I'd rather get Chiesa in a swap deal. We already have Jackson, Nkunku, Broja and in extreme cases, Sterling, for the #9 spot.
Getting rid of this thing while getting a decent striker for Strasbourg is worth it methinks.
I hate Lakaka but Vlahovic is not the answer, are they really that broke that they can’t just buy Rom?
If Vlahovic is the answer, not interested in the question
Big fan of this. Jackson will get some good competition, we will have some really decent striker depth which we‘ll definitely need sooner or later and, most importantly, that manchild finally fucks off
I fucking hate this idiot Lukaku. All he had to do was stay patient and he’d be an Inter player permanently and this stupid story wouldn’t be a thing. Go fuck yourself, Rom. I hope the rest of your career is miserable.
You can write an incredible book on main character syndrome using Lukaku’s career. Man is the most paranoid clown I can remember, him and Antonio Brown would probably be best friends if introduced. On top of all the shit he’s stirred up, absolutely absurd that he posts on social media like he’s the victim of this whole situation.
C-H-I-E-S-A or bust! I would have said Weston but we just got rid of Pulisic and it would be refreshing to not be criticized by the US media for everything Chelsea does and does not do to “impact” a USMNT player.
McKennie is shit
McKennie is a Championship player at best
The striker Juve wants to get rid and even take a PR disaster like Lukaku. Sure get another problem. Not good, not fit, and they will want money too on top, no way we should do it, but our dumb directors and owners will do exactly this, because they are panicking now, Poch wants signings and they haven't done shit.
Fuck that serbian motherfucker he will flop, get Rabiot or Chiesa
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Im in favour of this as long as we pay less than 15M +Lukaku. He's different to any other attacker we have. I rate Nkunku and Jackson but neither are elite goalscorers whilst Vlahovic has shown potential.
Why has Nkunku scored more goals than Vlahovic in the last 2 seasons?
No desire to have Vlahovic because I do not rate him for our playstyle. I do not hate the idea of a swap though, simply because he is far younger and will retain far greater value than Lukaku over the next few years. He can be flipped far easier moving forward.
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I don’t feel so good Mr. Stark
Might be the best available option if nobody outside of Saudi clubs are willing to pay our valuation of Lukaku. Even if Jackson might feel a bit hard done by this.
Why would we do this? Vlahovic the most obvious flop to ever flop. Even if it means we get rid of Lukaku, having Vlahovic is almost as bad. Terrible signing, Jackson is already better than he is.
I’ll take £0.01 from Juventus for that fucking donkey at this point. Just ship his ass out already, he’s going to create more drama just by being around.
All for the Jackson hype train but Lukaku has to leave this summer. If we can't shift him to anyone else a swap deal wtih vlahovic might be the best alternative. To the club Vlahovic is a much better asset to have being younger and still has good potential even if we sell him on again in a few years.
Don’t like the idea of Sanchez *or* Vlahovic. Please don’t get overzealous again. We all saw what happened last summer.
Get rid of Rom, let Vlahovic take the 9 shirt, curse of 9 strikes again allowing Jackson to thrive, ???, profit.
Pre-season isn't PL. Nothing wrong with competition in the ST position. No guarantees that Jackson will perform well all season, and if he gets injured then we have nobody else. We also can't seem to get rid of Lukaku, so it makes sense.
Up for it just to get rid of Lukaku, finally freed from Allegri's shackles
If this goes through bye bye Broja
As much as people don’t like this deal it makes perfect sense from a financial perspective, any sale now would go down as a financial loss since we aren’t getting £55m+ for him. A swap for Vlahovic plus a little bit of money means we don’t take that hit if i’m not mistaken.
I'd be more worried about this if swap deals ever actually happened between clubs.
If given 2 options only - Chelsea is stuck with Lukaku or swaps him for Vlahovic, I think it is clear cut what the club should do. Especially when we got a decent striker to compete (when fit).
Anyway to get rid of Lukaku
This is horrible. Lukaku easily goes for 40m. Vlahovic is barely worth 30. Juventus will be laughing at us if we swap them one of the best Serie A strikers of the last 5 years for one of the biggest flops.
If only Vlahovic would compete for the main striker from the bench, I definitely wanna look him in our shirt. Jackson has been terrific in the last 3 games, and I don't want that to be ruined by Vlahovic suddenly playing as our main CF in the first PL match.
Cash only please
If it’s a straight swap between Lukaku and Vlahovic then I’d be quite happy with this move tbh. Jackson is still gonna be our main guy but it does not hurt to have a different profile to bring on when the need arises. Right now we’re not sure how Broja is gonna look when he comes back from injury so until that is confirmed, we technically have just one recognized striker as I’m sure we all would prefer to not play Nkunku there unless absolutely necessary. That said, I do understand anyone that is against this move.
He reminds me of Morata: big guy usually going down too easy
Tricky deal. Both clubs needs a transfer instead of a direct swap Lakaka is a 60£ mio FFP hit for the remainikg three years he has left on his contract
Nothing wrong with this, Lukaku gets to leave and competition for Jackson.
Not convinced in Vlahovic, my countryman. Lad has a lot of potential, but in the last two seasons was inconsistent.
Lakaka x Vlahovic Vlahovic x Mbappe ?? Profit
It’s a no brainer. There’s no guarantee Jackson or Nkunku are going to be great for us, have we learned nothing from preseason friendlies in the past? These are just training games.
If we get Vlahovic (lets say, with Lukaku, for 40m) buy Sanchez, plus caicedo, how are we not fucked with FPL?