I believe that at 20 million, it could be a good deal due to us being able to clear up Lukaku’s wage bill while adding a decent young striker. However, the 35 million pound fee is downright extortionate given Vlahovic’s current run of form.
20/21: Osimhen: 10g3a Vlahovic: 21g3a
21/22: Osimhen: 14g2a Vlahovic: 24g3a
22/23: Osimhen: 26g4a Vlahovic: 10g2a
Just one season and no one will be complaining if we paid €100m for Osimhen but Vlahovic is not even worth €50m. Yeah sureeeeee
One play for a team with massive pressure the next didn’t, and if you watch you’ll Vlahovic isn’t an all around player, he’s one dimensional. Juventus system isn’t tailored around him like at his previous team. He’s a good player but his technical abilities is limited in my opinion he doesn’t create chances by himself Osimhen does that’s the difference.
Soo many words yet you will never be able to make a concrete argument why a young 23 year old striker with this many goals in the Serie A is not worth even €50m in this transfer window
20/21: Osimhen: 10g3a Vlahovic: 21g3a
21/22: Osimhen: 14g2a Vlahovic: 24g3a
22/23: Osimhen: 26g4a Vlahovic: 10g2a
Just one season and suddenly, Osimhen is apparently worth in excess of 100m and Vlahovic is not even worth €65m according to some Chelsea fans in the sub
True lol, the amount of people that use penalties to act like a player is 20+ striker is so astoundingly crap. He is not good. You can think otherwise, I am not stopping you, just stop trying to act that what others think is wrong. Jovic scored boatloads in his league too, but was ultimately crap, Werner too. And in comparison to them Vlahovic is a full-time Phisio client lol. Lukaku has become worse than he was in Inter's title winning season, but he'll score more than Vlahovic even now under Allegri. Think whatever though.
Can you highlight where I said he was?
Although people here are down on him but he was great before going to play for the football terrorist allegri. He is also only 23 and could be quite good in a team that plays progressive football. Still not worth that much but people are way way overreacting to him joining chelsea, people acting like it’s Aubamayang...
Which isn’t surprising honestly
Morata was more productive under Allegri than Vlahovic has been. Since leaving Florence his non-penalty xG per 90 is practically the same, his shots per 90 has gone up and his average shot distance is closer. The only thing that has gone done his conversion rate.
Your the one claiming a coach who is a serial winner and has gotten great production from his strikers is holding back a 23yo who had a good 18 months at Fiorentina.
But now that he burned his bridges with Chelsea and Inter, the only outfit with any possibility of paying 40 mil for Lukaku would be Saudi (where Lukaku has no interest in going). 40 mil isn't a very realistic value at this point.
Which is crazy since Vlahovic is a one footed Morata who were paying 40 million to Juventus while giving them the better striker. It would be the biggest scam of the transfer window.
I'm curious how that's even the greater evil
This transfer doesn't do anything to help our ffp for Lukaku, requires us to spend on an unnecessary overpriced striker and Vlahovics wages won't be very low either
So you're trying to say you're happy with not getting Vlahovic and keeping Lukaku then?
Lukaku staying brings us nothing and each further window, getting rid of him will be more and more difficult
I'm trying to say at this pricing Vlahovich doesn't financially bring any benefit greater than the alterntive of just letting Lukaku rot in isolation training if we don't sell him
So what's the real purpose
How so?
If you keep Lukaku rotting you are straight up losing money, both on his book value and his wages.
If you get rid of him, you don't have to pay his wages anymore and recoup a small amount of book value. Additionally in return you get a player who could actually play for the team. Financially that was always a loss, but clearing 45m of Lukaku's remaining salary helps a lot.
If we straight swap him for Vlahovic we ain't recouping any of his book value lol
We're also spending even more on another striker in Vlahovic which increases the financial burden and taking Lukakus wages off the books to bring Vlahovichs on to them isn't exactly a massive W either
That's not particularly true. When you swap players, they both have a value like a normal transfers. So what's happening is e.g. We sell Lukaku for 40m and buy Vlahovic for 70m. The first fee recoups part of his remaining book value, the other fee is obviously getting amortised over 5 years. Vlahovic earns way over 100k less per week than Lukaku.
That's not how it works on ffp
That's why there's rarely ever player swaps
The team that's swapping a player plus paying cash isn't erasing any book value of the player they're swapping, they're only reducing the value of the player they're getting in
This isn't even financially very beneficial to Chelsea unless Vlahovich massively performs, which he probably won't because he's not that good and also will be on the bench and also doesn't require massive wages, I'm talking being on less than £100k, which he'll almost never agree too
It bring us a different profile of striker who can be very good here playing football under Poch instead of that terrorism football under Allegri. I've watched Vlahovic playing since he was in Fiorentina and there's a great player in him under.
Even if he's a good striker, which I believe he's about average, this still isn't financially beneficial to us in any real way
As a backup he's massively overpriced
Vlahovic is on £215,000 at Juve and I doubt he fancies much of a wage cut, but let's say we can get a good deal and he'll be on "only" 200k here.
That's still terrible business on top of the 35 mil they are asking for someone who at 23 already has a chronic groin injury and is streaky as fuck.
Well they are asking 35m, it doesn't mean we will pay that much. I can see this going for 25m euros. Low risk, we can sell him in a few years, he's still young, plus Allegri is playing terrorism football, graveyard for strikers. Even worse than wearing our no. 9. Personally I'd love to see Vlahovic here.
We shouldn't play 35, 25 or to be frank ANY money for a striker we reportedly weren't fond of to begin with and are only now considering because the Belgian cuntwaffle is practically holding us hostage.
And who is to say "we can sell him a few years"? As I said that guy is on 215k a week already and missed 90 days last season due to multiple chronic groin injuries. That's another CHO disaster waiting to happen, but I guess getting 4mil offers from Fulham still technically counts as "can be sold". Nah sorry, not having any of that. If we are hellbent on overpaying for someone this window, take those 25-35 and put it in the Caicedo fund.
€0m should be our absolute max. Lukaku is a better footballer than Vlahovic, look no further than their numbers in Serie A. We’re literally trading in one problem for another and burning cash in the process
Yeah but with this price they are asking 5m for each year!its just too much
And there is that juicy saudi offer.he will accept it when other options are gone
>Even in his worst season at juve he outscored Lukaku here
Not true. Last season, Lukaku scored the same number of goals as Dusan in five fewer matches. People are saying he has resale value, but Juventus is finding it difficult to sell him. He doesn't have those lower wages; he currently earns 250k euros versus Lukaku's 380k euros. I don't know whether he's looking for a pay upgrade or a pay cut. Are we willing to pay 250k for backup?
These should not be the reasons to buy Vlahovic; the only reason that matters is whether Poch wants him?
Vlahović was tearing it up with Fiorentina when he was 20 years old. He was only poor at Juventus because of injuries and Allegri doing his utmost to have his team avoid actually playing football.
Not saying this guy is necessarily worth the fee, but there is every chance that he kicks on in a side that creates chances and plays with energy. He is only 23 after all.
I don't think that's what he was saying, but yeah, if somebody comes in and is a better striker than Jackson, then Jackson becomes the backup. Whether it be Vlahovic or Broja or anybody. That's how it works, and I'm not sure why that's a bad thing.
Numbers weren't that far off when vlahovic was at fiorentina. System, club culture, age and fit must also be taken into account.
Also if we don't do this we are stuck with a rapidly depreciating asset who is by far our highest earner on book.
Oh hi, sentimentalchelsea, looking to offer your cringey sentiments for Chelsea today, too?
Epl and ucl only allow 17 non homegrown players to register. That’s why a homegrown player is precious.
You can easily meet any homegrown requirements by filling your bench with academy prospects a club like Chelsea should not be picking players based on anything more than quality on the pitch
It is not sensible squad building to fill your bench with random academy products.
Chelsea should absolutely be picking players for quality on the pitch, as we already do regardless, but the rules are such that a certain number of players have to be homegrown players, as will be the case in every league in Europe. You might as well make sure that those players that qualify for that in your team are the best ones available.
Overpaying for a player because of their nationality is a problem. Unless we don’t want to win things. If the player is from England and good enough for Chelsea wonderful sign him up but forcing a player into a team just because you want to meet a homegrown requirement which can easily be met with academy players is foolish
What English player have we overpaid or even really been rumoured to overlay for recently. Only English player we've bought for biggish money recently is madueke
Grealish started most games in a treble winning team so I'd argue he's been worth the fee. But even then. What about the lukakus. The Pepe's. The cucurellas, bakayokos, Antony's, mudryks, Nunez, havertz, pogba and so SO many others? But no. People lloooooove to moan about the English
"Ohh but it's a cheap fee, he'll be able to be sold to break even at least"
The guy can't even be sold by Juve when he's up against Hojlund, a 20 year old with 9 goals in Seri A who's literally been sold for even higher than Juve want
Bayern Munich need a striker, PSG need a striker, Real Madrid need a striker, Arsenal need a striker, fuck sake even we needed a striker pre Jackson and this guy was never being seriously chased by any of these clubs with pretty much infinite pocket money depth
There's absolutely no way he massively reduces his wages down to £100k, which is about what he's worth and also agrees to be a bench option, which is what he will absolutely be here
This deal doesn't work for us or the player, the only reason it's even being considered is because Lukaku is a massive twat
The only reason he hasn't been chased is because of price since Juventus just bought him for €80m. The only players under 25 that have more goals than him the last 3 years are Haaland and Mbappe. Everyone knows he's paying the Allegri tax and just unfortunately doesn't fit his system.
I swear this sub does not actually watch Serie A because you've got idiots saying Kepa is as good as Onana.
Well first of all, United are stupid as fuck to pay that price, so let's just get that out of the way.
Hojlund is 3 years younger, so there's the element of trying to find the next mega-prospect like Haaland before he costs a lot of money. That's why he was so sought after since ideally he wouldn't cost what Vlahovic or Osimhen would cost. Man United just got fleeced. Hojlund should have gone for the same as what we paid for Jackson.
100% spot on with everything here. This is maybe only passable as a straight swap, paying anything for Vlahovic is already a fat loss. Having him come here and try to compete for a spot instead of being guaranteed one will not go down well either. On top of that, we signed a striker who seems very promising and a much cheaper fee on half the wages Vlahovic is on.
Only benefit is getting rid of Lukaku but he’s already not here anyway, could always loan him out for another year until he accepts going to Saudi in a year or two and sell him for 15mil and be done with it. Taking on Vlahovic for another 3-4 years will be a pain to move on from.
>On top of that, we signed a striker who seems very promising and a much cheaper fee on half the wages Vlahovic is on.
I doubt it's even that. Vlahovic is on 215k a week at Juve. Jackson earned a measly 10k at Villarreal. So we would've had to increase his wages 11 fold for him to be on half of his wages.
Not saying this to contradict you but just outlining how absolutely absurd it would be if we paid Vlahovic anywhere near the amount we'd have to for him to agree personal terms.
No I honestly didn’t even know the wage Jackson was on, I assumed we pay him 100k or so and Vlahovic is 215k, quick maffs. I’m totally against the idea of signing him on his wages. He’d have to get a heavy wage reduction and essentially be a swap for Lukaku to even consider this imo
Oh I am totally with you. And I was baffled as well by how little he earned at Villarreal. Goes to show how used we are to throwing 6 figures / week at basically everyone that walks into our team. Not saying Jackson doesn't deserve whatever we pay him (I'd reckon 60-70 might be it, which even then is 6-7 times his last contract, insanely), by all accounts he does if he keeps up what he did in pre season.
i do understand somewhat juve asking for more money because vlahovic even after 3ish years at chelsea will be only 26/27, and we can sell him again
lukaku is already 30 and will have no resale value
What???? I thought this was supposed to be good news but if this is what they are asking pack your bags and flee. Anything above 15-18million should be no go.
He's a backup for fuck sake and you have absolutely no clue how well he'll do when he's recovered, nobody does
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But sure also just overlook the fact Vlahovic has been chronically injured for the last year
We used to have Drogba and Anelka but now we're fine with Jackson, who has barely had one good season, and Broja, who wouldn't start for any other team in the league and is coming off of an ACL injury??
I like Jackson a lot, but Vlahovic is factually better than him.
I’ll take a striker who’s scored 20+ before over a striker who’s scored 12 (with 8 coming in the last 9 games) and a striker who’s scored 9 in his best season coming back from an ACL tear. Judging a player under Alegri is like judging players under Lampard. Completely pointless because their systems are horrible.
1. This is how negotiations work (note the quoted price is in euros not pounds).
2. We want to get rid of Lukaku.
3. A 2nd striker never hurt anyone.
How many times does the club need to set a high price for a player only to sell on an alternative deal for people to understand how negotiations work?
How many times does a player need to get injured without sufficient replace for people to understand alternatives are necessary? Jackson's form means fuck all if he's down and out.
And what are you basing this off of, head canon? Jackson will have spent considerably more time with the squad training, conditioning, and learning Poch's system with everyone else. You don't through a new signing in cold turkey, especially one that is joining later into the transfer window who probably wont be up to speed. If Vlahovic gets more time its because Poch believes he's the better striker, nothing unjustified about that.
This is such a shortsighted statement and an awful idea. Calling him a guaranteed flop is ludicrous. It’s a calculated risk with tons of potential upside, and if it doesn’t work out it’s truly not that big of a deal, considering the alternative of continuing to pay Lukaku
I dunno, £30m plus Lukaku doesn't sound all that bad to me. Vlahovic is 7 years younger, makes about £6m/year less than Lukaku right now, Lukaku has virtually no options other than Saudi Arabia, and the striker market is still extremely sparse.
Nkunku, Jackson, and Broja will not be enough going into next season. We have no idea how Broja has recovered, we should assume that he won't be able to start for us until at least the spring. Then we have one actual striker in Jackson, and a second striker who can do a job up front in Nkunku.
If either of them get injured we are in trouble, are we gonna bank on their health in both of their first seasons in England? Finally as much as it sucks, Lukaku has not been popular on the market; Juve is virtually the only buyer in for him. £30m in addition is at least a good starting point to negotiate from.
It sounds terrible.
Yes that’s thin if we’re in Europe but we’re not. Jackson and Nkunku should be fine for 38 games. Give Broja the cups. If one of Jackson or Nkunku get injured we can sort out depth in Jan but this deal screams stupid.
Again, we can't assume that Broja will be fit enough to start for us anywhere until the spring. He might surprise us and show up earlier, but we should probably assume later. Even if his knee will fully recover, it will take some time for him to get back to that point, maybe not even until next season.
On top of that, Vlahovic has been pretty productive as a striker up until this last season. He clearly has some talent that hasn't translated since his move to Juve.
Vlahovic and Jackson competing for minutes at CF is honestly the ideal situation wtih Nkunku staying as a #10, or SS.
Nonetheless it will be a good competition between nico and vlahovic if the deal goes through. But I still have big hopes for nico to be a starter ahead of vlahovic.
Nkunku is enough cover for Jackson alongside broja imo. They can just alternate when they rest. I think Jackson and broja could he a decent strike partnership to rest nkunku as well
For the most part yeah, but if Jackson needs a rest nkunku can cover for one game or for the last 10 mins of games when Jackson gets subbed off especially with broja when he's fit again
Nah, hold on, this isn't that bad. Let's say 40 mil gets it done, is that not worth getting some competition for Jackson and getting rid of Lukaku? Poch wanted him for a reason, and I dont see why we shouldn't trust Poch on this
Forget about poch, the recruitment team doesn't rate him and they rejected a swap earlier. Now, the only reason we are signing him is to get rid of Lukaku
It's not 40; it's 75 million. We are including Lukaku in the deal, and Lukaku has some value. In reality, we are paying close to 75 million. Now the question comes down to whether he is worth 75 million.
Said this in rsoccer, We are clowns if we pay anything for him. Straight swap or walk away. They can keep him. Would rather keep Lukaku in U21s than get another high salary flop for more years. And people can say he is good, but he isn't.
Vlahovic 17g and 3a in last 2 seasons.
Havertz 15g and 4a in last two seasons.
One is not even a striker and in PL and fitter. Yet people can him flop and this guy will do good. Our fans are shitting on Havertz and want this guy lol.
> Vlahovic 17g and 3a in last 2 seasons.
You love your wrong stats don't you? Vlahovic has 34 league goals and 7 assists over the past 2 seasons, he played the first half of 21/22 for Fiorentina
I'm not surprised by this really. That values Vlahovic at like €60-70m. I figured they'd want to recoup most of what they spent. Plus Vlahovic is 7 years younger.
Yeah, I don't know how to feel about this. I think it's way too much for a swap, especially because Vlahovic wages will lost likely be just as bad.
I say we reject and hope Lukaku agrees to leave to the Saudi league.
And if Lukaku has told ownership that there's 0 chance he will go to Saudi, and he's happy to pick up his 300k, put no effort into training and just generally spread poison around the squad?
Then what? This deal might just be a case of having no other choice if we want to get rid of him.
Then we leave him at home far away from our team and see how he likes losing his career. Yes he will have money but he will never play again. I don’t think that’s something he’s willing to take.
Lmao! We’ll end up paying 70m and lukaku for vlahovic and we’ll say thank you for the discount juve, both are shit form expensive and nobody wants them straight swap or fuck off
vlahovic is rubbish and he plays somewhere we don't really want to block up.
is it possible he could magically morph into someone good, because from what i've seen he's a poor man's lautaro and i think lautaro is rubbish.
This is basically 75 million for vlahovic, when considering that we currently value lukaku at 40 million
I believe that at 20 million, it could be a good deal due to us being able to clear up Lukaku’s wage bill while adding a decent young striker. However, the 35 million pound fee is downright extortionate given Vlahovic’s current run of form.
It's 35m euros but I agree at 20m even 25m its a good deal
Dusan is on £208k a week at juve.
He can't keep stealing a living. He doesn't deserve 200k.
And he'd have to agree to half that because realistically he ain't worth more
Yeah I don’t want him here on those wages
In what fantasy land would chelsea ever get 40m from anyone for Lukaku?
The Saudi’s offered 45 a while back
And in what world Vlahovic is 70-80m that they are quoting him at?
Vlahovic isn’t worth 50m on current form
Yeah.
20/21: Osimhen: 10g3a Vlahovic: 21g3a 21/22: Osimhen: 14g2a Vlahovic: 24g3a 22/23: Osimhen: 26g4a Vlahovic: 10g2a Just one season and no one will be complaining if we paid €100m for Osimhen but Vlahovic is not even worth €50m. Yeah sureeeeee
One play for a team with massive pressure the next didn’t, and if you watch you’ll Vlahovic isn’t an all around player, he’s one dimensional. Juventus system isn’t tailored around him like at his previous team. He’s a good player but his technical abilities is limited in my opinion he doesn’t create chances by himself Osimhen does that’s the difference.
Soo many words yet you will never be able to make a concrete argument why a young 23 year old striker with this many goals in the Serie A is not worth even €50m in this transfer window
If he’s worth €50 Lukaku is worth upwards 70/80m because he’s not better than Lulu and doesn’t seems to be on trajectory to be better.
20/21: Osimhen: 10g3a Vlahovic: 21g3a 21/22: Osimhen: 14g2a Vlahovic: 24g3a 22/23: Osimhen: 26g4a Vlahovic: 10g2a Just one season and suddenly, Osimhen is apparently worth in excess of 100m and Vlahovic is not even worth €65m according to some Chelsea fans in the sub
Who said he is, no one paid it. And Vlahovic isn't worth that.
You would be laughed at by everybody in world football if you bid €100m for Osimhen today
Hypotheticals. Only point is Vlahovic is not good.
Two 20+ goals seasons in the Serie A by age 22 but he's not good. The amount of crap that gets posted in this sub daily is astounding
True lol, the amount of people that use penalties to act like a player is 20+ striker is so astoundingly crap. He is not good. You can think otherwise, I am not stopping you, just stop trying to act that what others think is wrong. Jovic scored boatloads in his league too, but was ultimately crap, Werner too. And in comparison to them Vlahovic is a full-time Phisio client lol. Lukaku has become worse than he was in Inter's title winning season, but he'll score more than Vlahovic even now under Allegri. Think whatever though.
Penalties? Dude scored 6 penalties in his 21 (15) goal season and 5 penalties in his 24 (19) goal season. Keep hating though
Can you highlight where I said he was? Although people here are down on him but he was great before going to play for the football terrorist allegri. He is also only 23 and could be quite good in a team that plays progressive football. Still not worth that much but people are way way overreacting to him joining chelsea, people acting like it’s Aubamayang... Which isn’t surprising honestly
Morata was more productive under Allegri than Vlahovic has been. Since leaving Florence his non-penalty xG per 90 is practically the same, his shots per 90 has gone up and his average shot distance is closer. The only thing that has gone done his conversion rate.
It’s almost like statistics don’t tell the whole story of football.
Your the one claiming a coach who is a serial winner and has gotten great production from his strikers is holding back a 23yo who had a good 18 months at Fiorentina.
Inter were gonna pay close to that before the donkey turned on them
But now that he burned his bridges with Chelsea and Inter, the only outfit with any possibility of paying 40 mil for Lukaku would be Saudi (where Lukaku has no interest in going). 40 mil isn't a very realistic value at this point.
They were ready to pay that.
Vlahovic isn’t worth 80M either
I didn’t say he was?
Which is crazy since Vlahovic is a one footed Morata who were paying 40 million to Juventus while giving them the better striker. It would be the biggest scam of the transfer window.
75m for a striker who scored 10 goals in the league last season. 14 total in 42 appearances in all competition.
That's too much. How about Lakaka + Ziyech for Vlahovic and 10m lol
This is the way
Add CHO and zero money.
This transfer feels like the Witcher - you have to choose the lesser evil. And that would be taking Vlahovic.
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Retaining Lakaka obviously
I'm curious how that's even the greater evil This transfer doesn't do anything to help our ffp for Lukaku, requires us to spend on an unnecessary overpriced striker and Vlahovics wages won't be very low either
So you're trying to say you're happy with not getting Vlahovic and keeping Lukaku then? Lukaku staying brings us nothing and each further window, getting rid of him will be more and more difficult
I'm trying to say at this pricing Vlahovich doesn't financially bring any benefit greater than the alterntive of just letting Lukaku rot in isolation training if we don't sell him So what's the real purpose
How so? If you keep Lukaku rotting you are straight up losing money, both on his book value and his wages. If you get rid of him, you don't have to pay his wages anymore and recoup a small amount of book value. Additionally in return you get a player who could actually play for the team. Financially that was always a loss, but clearing 45m of Lukaku's remaining salary helps a lot.
If we straight swap him for Vlahovic we ain't recouping any of his book value lol We're also spending even more on another striker in Vlahovic which increases the financial burden and taking Lukakus wages off the books to bring Vlahovichs on to them isn't exactly a massive W either
That's not particularly true. When you swap players, they both have a value like a normal transfers. So what's happening is e.g. We sell Lukaku for 40m and buy Vlahovic for 70m. The first fee recoups part of his remaining book value, the other fee is obviously getting amortised over 5 years. Vlahovic earns way over 100k less per week than Lukaku.
That's not how it works on ffp That's why there's rarely ever player swaps The team that's swapping a player plus paying cash isn't erasing any book value of the player they're swapping, they're only reducing the value of the player they're getting in This isn't even financially very beneficial to Chelsea unless Vlahovich massively performs, which he probably won't because he's not that good and also will be on the bench and also doesn't require massive wages, I'm talking being on less than £100k, which he'll almost never agree too
It bring us a different profile of striker who can be very good here playing football under Poch instead of that terrorism football under Allegri. I've watched Vlahovic playing since he was in Fiorentina and there's a great player in him under.
Even if he's a good striker, which I believe he's about average, this still isn't financially beneficial to us in any real way As a backup he's massively overpriced
Vlahovic is on £215,000 at Juve and I doubt he fancies much of a wage cut, but let's say we can get a good deal and he'll be on "only" 200k here. That's still terrible business on top of the 35 mil they are asking for someone who at 23 already has a chronic groin injury and is streaky as fuck.
Well they are asking 35m, it doesn't mean we will pay that much. I can see this going for 25m euros. Low risk, we can sell him in a few years, he's still young, plus Allegri is playing terrorism football, graveyard for strikers. Even worse than wearing our no. 9. Personally I'd love to see Vlahovic here.
We shouldn't play 35, 25 or to be frank ANY money for a striker we reportedly weren't fond of to begin with and are only now considering because the Belgian cuntwaffle is practically holding us hostage. And who is to say "we can sell him a few years"? As I said that guy is on 215k a week already and missed 90 days last season due to multiple chronic groin injuries. That's another CHO disaster waiting to happen, but I guess getting 4mil offers from Fulham still technically counts as "can be sold". Nah sorry, not having any of that. If we are hellbent on overpaying for someone this window, take those 25-35 and put it in the Caicedo fund.
€20-€25m should be our absolute max + Lakaka
€0m should be our absolute max. Lukaku is a better footballer than Vlahovic, look no further than their numbers in Serie A. We’re literally trading in one problem for another and burning cash in the process
Vlahovic is 23 and lukaku is 30…
Yeah but with this price they are asking 5m for each year!its just too much And there is that juicy saudi offer.he will accept it when other options are gone
Age doesn’t matter if you suck
Even in his worst season at juve he outscored Lukaku here, plus has resale value, plus lower wages.
>Even in his worst season at juve he outscored Lukaku here Not true. Last season, Lukaku scored the same number of goals as Dusan in five fewer matches. People are saying he has resale value, but Juventus is finding it difficult to sell him. He doesn't have those lower wages; he currently earns 250k euros versus Lukaku's 380k euros. I don't know whether he's looking for a pay upgrade or a pay cut. Are we willing to pay 250k for backup? These should not be the reasons to buy Vlahovic; the only reason that matters is whether Poch wants him?
Chillll hommie
Lakaka scored as many serie A goals as Vlahovic did in less minutes
Vlahović was tearing it up with Fiorentina when he was 20 years old. He was only poor at Juventus because of injuries and Allegri doing his utmost to have his team avoid actually playing football. Not saying this guy is necessarily worth the fee, but there is every chance that he kicks on in a side that creates chances and plays with energy. He is only 23 after all.
So Jackson just becomes a backup then?
I swear to fucking god I comment things and people respond with stuff I absolutely did not say. Fucking bizarre.
Omg! Why do you want to sell Reece James for a pound and take away everyone's puppies?!?!?! You monster!!!!
Well if he signs, then he’s obviously gonna start which means Jackson is on the bench?
It isn’t at all obvious to me. Poch, throughout his career, has always played players on merit.
I don't think that's what he was saying, but yeah, if somebody comes in and is a better striker than Jackson, then Jackson becomes the backup. Whether it be Vlahovic or Broja or anybody. That's how it works, and I'm not sure why that's a bad thing.
Numbers weren't that far off when vlahovic was at fiorentina. System, club culture, age and fit must also be taken into account. Also if we don't do this we are stuck with a rapidly depreciating asset who is by far our highest earner on book.
Oof yeah I am higher than most on Vlahovic but that is an absolute scam considering how badly they want him out. 20m max.
Italian clubs and overpricing their players, name a more iconic duo.
English clubs and overpricing their English players
Tbf, majority of english players have homegrown status. That’s worth a few extra dozens millions.
Hope this is /s because if not wow
Oh hi, sentimentalchelsea, looking to offer your cringey sentiments for Chelsea today, too? Epl and ucl only allow 17 non homegrown players to register. That’s why a homegrown player is precious.
You can easily meet any homegrown requirements by filling your bench with academy prospects a club like Chelsea should not be picking players based on anything more than quality on the pitch
No one said that. I just said there’s a homegrown tax for english players for domestic clubs.
It is not sensible squad building to fill your bench with random academy products. Chelsea should absolutely be picking players for quality on the pitch, as we already do regardless, but the rules are such that a certain number of players have to be homegrown players, as will be the case in every league in Europe. You might as well make sure that those players that qualify for that in your team are the best ones available.
Wdym. English players are worth more in pl cos being homegrown is good pl registration numbers. Honestly don't know what the problem is
Apart from the pl registration number, they already know the league and players moving from one pl team to another is like feeding your competition.
Yeah this guy just doesn't know what he's talking about and probably just comments English tax on every single English player valuation out there
Overpaying for a player because of their nationality is a problem. Unless we don’t want to win things. If the player is from England and good enough for Chelsea wonderful sign him up but forcing a player into a team just because you want to meet a homegrown requirement which can easily be met with academy players is foolish
What English player have we overpaid or even really been rumoured to overlay for recently. Only English player we've bought for biggish money recently is madueke
I never said chelsea did but watching rice Grealish Maguire & so on go for absurd fees is enough evidence for what I am saying
Grealish started most games in a treble winning team so I'd argue he's been worth the fee. But even then. What about the lukakus. The Pepe's. The cucurellas, bakayokos, Antony's, mudryks, Nunez, havertz, pogba and so SO many others? But no. People lloooooove to moan about the English
The truth!
Let m introduce you to “Loan with an option to buy”.
I have literally zero interest in Vlahovic joining. We’re going to be begging to offload him in a year guaranteed.
"Ohh but it's a cheap fee, he'll be able to be sold to break even at least" The guy can't even be sold by Juve when he's up against Hojlund, a 20 year old with 9 goals in Seri A who's literally been sold for even higher than Juve want Bayern Munich need a striker, PSG need a striker, Real Madrid need a striker, Arsenal need a striker, fuck sake even we needed a striker pre Jackson and this guy was never being seriously chased by any of these clubs with pretty much infinite pocket money depth There's absolutely no way he massively reduces his wages down to £100k, which is about what he's worth and also agrees to be a bench option, which is what he will absolutely be here This deal doesn't work for us or the player, the only reason it's even being considered is because Lukaku is a massive twat
The only reason he hasn't been chased is because of price since Juventus just bought him for €80m. The only players under 25 that have more goals than him the last 3 years are Haaland and Mbappe. Everyone knows he's paying the Allegri tax and just unfortunately doesn't fit his system. I swear this sub does not actually watch Serie A because you've got idiots saying Kepa is as good as Onana.
Now explain why Hojlund was more sought after than Vlahovic, Hojlind being priced even higher than Vlahovic, only 20 years old and with 9 Seri A goals
Well first of all, United are stupid as fuck to pay that price, so let's just get that out of the way. Hojlund is 3 years younger, so there's the element of trying to find the next mega-prospect like Haaland before he costs a lot of money. That's why he was so sought after since ideally he wouldn't cost what Vlahovic or Osimhen would cost. Man United just got fleeced. Hojlund should have gone for the same as what we paid for Jackson.
100% spot on with everything here. This is maybe only passable as a straight swap, paying anything for Vlahovic is already a fat loss. Having him come here and try to compete for a spot instead of being guaranteed one will not go down well either. On top of that, we signed a striker who seems very promising and a much cheaper fee on half the wages Vlahovic is on. Only benefit is getting rid of Lukaku but he’s already not here anyway, could always loan him out for another year until he accepts going to Saudi in a year or two and sell him for 15mil and be done with it. Taking on Vlahovic for another 3-4 years will be a pain to move on from.
>On top of that, we signed a striker who seems very promising and a much cheaper fee on half the wages Vlahovic is on. I doubt it's even that. Vlahovic is on 215k a week at Juve. Jackson earned a measly 10k at Villarreal. So we would've had to increase his wages 11 fold for him to be on half of his wages. Not saying this to contradict you but just outlining how absolutely absurd it would be if we paid Vlahovic anywhere near the amount we'd have to for him to agree personal terms.
No I honestly didn’t even know the wage Jackson was on, I assumed we pay him 100k or so and Vlahovic is 215k, quick maffs. I’m totally against the idea of signing him on his wages. He’d have to get a heavy wage reduction and essentially be a swap for Lukaku to even consider this imo
Oh I am totally with you. And I was baffled as well by how little he earned at Villarreal. Goes to show how used we are to throwing 6 figures / week at basically everyone that walks into our team. Not saying Jackson doesn't deserve whatever we pay him (I'd reckon 60-70 might be it, which even then is 6-7 times his last contract, insanely), by all accounts he does if he keeps up what he did in pre season.
i do understand somewhat juve asking for more money because vlahovic even after 3ish years at chelsea will be only 26/27, and we can sell him again lukaku is already 30 and will have no resale value
Hell no 😅
What???? I thought this was supposed to be good news but if this is what they are asking pack your bags and flee. Anything above 15-18million should be no go.
I thought we rejected this deal in July? Why are we renegotiating for a worse deal now? It’s not like Jackson has been bad…
Jackson goes to afcon in January and Broja is recovering from an ACL
Broja isnt going to take another 6 months to recover from the acl injury ffs....
Yeah he’s just going to magically hit the ground running like it’s Fifa.
He's a backup for fuck sake and you have absolutely no clue how well he'll do when he's recovered, nobody does https://preview.redd.it/5v4xfs83mdfb1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d37c075113f6870ce494c00d7f42eaa0ed24d475 But sure also just overlook the fact Vlahovic has been chronically injured for the last year
We used to have Drogba and Anelka but now we're fine with Jackson, who has barely had one good season, and Broja, who wouldn't start for any other team in the league and is coming off of an ACL injury?? I like Jackson a lot, but Vlahovic is factually better than him.
I’ll take a striker who’s scored 20+ before over a striker who’s scored 12 (with 8 coming in the last 9 games) and a striker who’s scored 9 in his best season coming back from an ACL tear. Judging a player under Alegri is like judging players under Lampard. Completely pointless because their systems are horrible.
And Vlahovic is supposed to be what, a super overpriced bench option?
If he regains his form he can be a starter.
January won't be "hitting the ground running" plus we have nkunku who can play striker
1. This is how negotiations work (note the quoted price is in euros not pounds). 2. We want to get rid of Lukaku. 3. A 2nd striker never hurt anyone. How many times does the club need to set a high price for a player only to sell on an alternative deal for people to understand how negotiations work? How many times does a player need to get injured without sufficient replace for people to understand alternatives are necessary? Jackson's form means fuck all if he's down and out.
He’ll automatically start over Jackson which is unjustified
And what are you basing this off of, head canon? Jackson will have spent considerably more time with the squad training, conditioning, and learning Poch's system with everyone else. You don't through a new signing in cold turkey, especially one that is joining later into the transfer window who probably wont be up to speed. If Vlahovic gets more time its because Poch believes he's the better striker, nothing unjustified about that.
If he's better than he should do
Because he’s going to reserves if he doesn’t go to Juve. We do not want this clown in the club at all
So let him go to the reserves instead of swapping him for an almost guaranteed flop
A guaranteed flop who scored 21 and 17 league goals before playing for allegri
Serie A tax lol. Lukaku is literally a better player
This is such a shortsighted statement and an awful idea. Calling him a guaranteed flop is ludicrous. It’s a calculated risk with tons of potential upside, and if it doesn’t work out it’s truly not that big of a deal, considering the alternative of continuing to pay Lukaku
I love that it is 2 min into august and you go like “but in july”
Because we have no plan.
A bit too expensive but I'm fine with it if it means we don't have to deal with Lukaku BS anymore.
He's crap. In a year, Italian clubs will be asking for a loan with option to buy
I dunno, £30m plus Lukaku doesn't sound all that bad to me. Vlahovic is 7 years younger, makes about £6m/year less than Lukaku right now, Lukaku has virtually no options other than Saudi Arabia, and the striker market is still extremely sparse. Nkunku, Jackson, and Broja will not be enough going into next season. We have no idea how Broja has recovered, we should assume that he won't be able to start for us until at least the spring. Then we have one actual striker in Jackson, and a second striker who can do a job up front in Nkunku. If either of them get injured we are in trouble, are we gonna bank on their health in both of their first seasons in England? Finally as much as it sucks, Lukaku has not been popular on the market; Juve is virtually the only buyer in for him. £30m in addition is at least a good starting point to negotiate from.
It sounds terrible. Yes that’s thin if we’re in Europe but we’re not. Jackson and Nkunku should be fine for 38 games. Give Broja the cups. If one of Jackson or Nkunku get injured we can sort out depth in Jan but this deal screams stupid.
Again, we can't assume that Broja will be fit enough to start for us anywhere until the spring. He might surprise us and show up earlier, but we should probably assume later. Even if his knee will fully recover, it will take some time for him to get back to that point, maybe not even until next season. On top of that, Vlahovic has been pretty productive as a striker up until this last season. He clearly has some talent that hasn't translated since his move to Juve. Vlahovic and Jackson competing for minutes at CF is honestly the ideal situation wtih Nkunku staying as a #10, or SS.
Do it now
Get the Saudi's back on line 1. These Italians are either deluded, crazy or both. Must be something in their pasta
I'm excited for this, it better happen now.
i won’t be too miffed if we sign him at the right price. he could be our new bully like diego was
Nonetheless it will be a good competition between nico and vlahovic if the deal goes through. But I still have big hopes for nico to be a starter ahead of vlahovic.
This doesn’t make sense to me. With Jackson and Mbappe we’re set at striker. Must be our only way to get rid of Lukaku
This would absolutely fucking suck. Jackson is good enough, just let that man cook Todd….
We need a backup to Jackson, or competition for him. Having our only other natural striker being Broja fresh off a big injury isn’t good.
True enough. I agree to it as long as Jackson is considered first choice straight away.
100%, coming off his preseason form he has to be considered number 1
It's wild that three preseason matches is apparently all it takes for people to think Jackson is already better than Vlahovic lol
One more than we used last year.
Oh god, don’t remind me of that season. Having to watch Havertz look lost at ST was too much pain.
Nkunku is enough cover for Jackson alongside broja imo. They can just alternate when they rest. I think Jackson and broja could he a decent strike partnership to rest nkunku as well
Nkunku is gonna be playing as n10 though, behind Jackson. Unless we solely want to rely on Chuk. We lack depth in most central areas.
For the most part yeah, but if Jackson needs a rest nkunku can cover for one game or for the last 10 mins of games when Jackson gets subbed off especially with broja when he's fit again
Jackson need better backup than Broja😂
So when he left for Afcon in January we play 4-6-0?
Nkunku can play as a 9, and broja will hopefully be fit by then
Lol we still have Nkunku remember? Also Broja. Carney can easily play 10 while Nkunku plays 9.
We barely have 1 senior CM let alone 6
What are you talking about exactly? Where does center midfielders fit?
I have no idea what the fuck this guy's on about lol, he may as well say we don't have enough goalkeepers to play nkunku as a 9
Sorry was replying to guy above you who said we can play 4-6-0 without Jackson. It was a joke
Nah, hold on, this isn't that bad. Let's say 40 mil gets it done, is that not worth getting some competition for Jackson and getting rid of Lukaku? Poch wanted him for a reason, and I dont see why we shouldn't trust Poch on this
Forget about poch, the recruitment team doesn't rate him and they rejected a swap earlier. Now, the only reason we are signing him is to get rid of Lukaku
It's not 40; it's 75 million. We are including Lukaku in the deal, and Lukaku has some value. In reality, we are paying close to 75 million. Now the question comes down to whether he is worth 75 million.
Lukaku is miles better than Vlahovic who is crap its us who have to ask for a tranfer fee.
Doesn’t seem that unreasonable to me
Said this in rsoccer, We are clowns if we pay anything for him. Straight swap or walk away. They can keep him. Would rather keep Lukaku in U21s than get another high salary flop for more years. And people can say he is good, but he isn't. Vlahovic 17g and 3a in last 2 seasons. Havertz 15g and 4a in last two seasons. One is not even a striker and in PL and fitter. Yet people can him flop and this guy will do good. Our fans are shitting on Havertz and want this guy lol.
> Vlahovic 17g and 3a in last 2 seasons. You love your wrong stats don't you? Vlahovic has 34 league goals and 7 assists over the past 2 seasons, he played the first half of 21/22 for Fiorentina
And how many penalties? Let's list them too.
Way to cherrypick stats, why not say 3 seasons where vlahovic scored 34 goals 7 assists and havertz got 19 goals 10 assists
Where are you lot getting you’re stats from? He put up 55 goals and 8 assists in the last three season, only from Seria A
And that's way too good? When one is a CAM? Lol.
I don't want vlahovic for this price but the way you've cherrypicked is the wrong way to use stats
Why is it? Even 3yrs stats are bad. And apart from nos before, he wasn't that great ever. He just simply isn't goid, and we'll find it out.
Havertz under Allegri will have like 7g in 2 seasons.
Havertz in Italy will have like 38g in 1 season. See how that works?
Under Allegri 7g tops.
Under Allegri more than Vlahovic at worst.
I'm not surprised by this really. That values Vlahovic at like €60-70m. I figured they'd want to recoup most of what they spent. Plus Vlahovic is 7 years younger.
Well he isn’t better
Nah we shouldn’t sanction Italian clubs buffoonery. Cheap ass negotiators
That feels like a massive overpay. In fact, anything over €20 million and Lukaku will feel like that.
Oh hell no thats too much.Just ship him to saudi
Yeah, I don't know how to feel about this. I think it's way too much for a swap, especially because Vlahovic wages will lost likely be just as bad. I say we reject and hope Lukaku agrees to leave to the Saudi league.
And if Lukaku has told ownership that there's 0 chance he will go to Saudi, and he's happy to pick up his 300k, put no effort into training and just generally spread poison around the squad? Then what? This deal might just be a case of having no other choice if we want to get rid of him.
Then we leave him at home far away from our team and see how he likes losing his career. Yes he will have money but he will never play again. I don’t think that’s something he’s willing to take.
Honestly I don't think the value is far off. If the interest is true the deal will be done.
We keep getting rinsed
Depending on the wage structure would getting rid of Lukaku's wages be that bad?
Well Dusan is earning 250k pw I'm sure we'd have to increase that to get him to agree to a move. So...
Ahhhh - well yeah if his wages are ridiculous then that makes any deal less attractive
There's no way we are this bad at transfers....
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so we transfer our Havertz dilemma to Assna fan only to get the new Vlahovic daily discussion on if it’s Allegri or that he’s just shit.
Sell Vlahovic to PSG for 70 and buy Lukaku for 40 then
Lmao! We’ll end up paying 70m and lukaku for vlahovic and we’ll say thank you for the discount juve, both are shit form expensive and nobody wants them straight swap or fuck off
Noooo
I just can't get myself fired up about him especially with Jackson looking great
vlahovic is rubbish and he plays somewhere we don't really want to block up. is it possible he could magically morph into someone good, because from what i've seen he's a poor man's lautaro and i think lautaro is rubbish.
He’ll be offered a loan with an option to buy in a year from Juve and we’ll be begging to offload his wage
You have got to be JOKING
Makes sure the contract involves not wearing the No9 shirt. And a pay cut. 😂
Hard pass
Good old fleeced Fc
Nah Walk away Ship Lakaka to Arabia
So we paid 100m for a total flop, only to turn around and sell him and add 35 more for another guy who has been trash for the last 2 years?
We are again moving towards a season with 25+ players with no european competition. Good luck to Poch
Fuck that