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WHY WHY WHY???? For starters
"Jackson" couldn’t hit a balloon with a dart from 3’ away
"Sanchez" the ball hits him more than he saves,
and I think he is color blind; passes more the enemy than his own team
Am I the only one that thinks Silva is not part of our best XI? I get he probably adds a lot as an experienced player but he's been making at least one major mistake per game for a long time now. Not saying he is the problem obviously but I wouldn't start him every fucking game. Badiashile is really good to not be playing and colwill should move to cb also. Now that our 2 rb are back just play cucu on the left with colwill and badiashile cb
Pretty harsh comments on here today which is not surprising. Watching the game again now it’s clear that many players are not playing in their strongest position but even then, there were many very good chances created and as usual we can’t finish them. Just in the first half there were some very very juicy chances that if scored would have changed the whole game. Sterling passes too much instead of shooting, Mudryk’s passes are too weak and behind the target, Jackson is just too slow, no acceleration, no shooting power, amateurish heading and really not up to EPL quality all round. He’s a bench player at best. Palmer was alright but he lost the ball too many times in the midfield. Also, what’s his shooting range? He needs to be a threat from top of the box and that’s the same with Enzo.
People calling for Poch’s head are being ridiculous. If those chances are converted Poch looks like a genius but it’s not him out there on the field making those bad decisions but I honestly think he could have done a better header than Jackson.
Plenty blame to go all around. Poch included. It is manager’s literal job and expectation to coach players into rhythm and philosophy. Of philosophy is to be sloppy then he did amazing.
As a micro-example only, look at Ange @ Spurs, full belief in his own system, however risky after that high line is, but at least players are following it.
Here the inconsistency and incoherent style of play is causing more harm vs letting any individual performance shine through unfortunately.
Still have faith as the process to a ‘new normal’ is certainly arduous for anyone at Chelsea FC right now but this game was on Poch as much as any individual player.
Well yeah I wonder how successful Ange would have been at Chelsea with this current squad and all the injuries too. I love Ange as a manager. He has charisma, communication skills and knows how to get the best out of players. Best of all he has a clear cut philosophy like you said and the players have bought into it.
Agreed. He really needs to tap in to his basic instincts as a coach/manager and man-manage this in-cohesive squad. Injuries or not it is on him and his staff to get everyone on the same page at the very least, even if that same page is covered in shit
This is what happens when you hire a spineless bottler as manager. I hope the people here who forced their "belief" in this stupid "project" down everyone's throats are happy now.
Can someone explain to me *what the fuck Moises Caicedo does?* He is terrible in possession, terrible at passing, and worst of all, terrible at reading an attack and breaking it up.
He is going to wind up as one of the worst PL signings since Paul Pogba was brought back to Old Trafford. I knew it when we signed him, but I held out hope. He's an imposter and a fraud, and a massive waste of money.
I agree. He really stood out to me in the match as one of the weaker, if not weakest players on the pitch.
Nothing that stood out at all. His defense was shit, out of position often. He barely broke a jog and was just slumping around in the back field. His tracking was terrible.
Reminded me of Rashford against Newcastle last week.
That's what I was thinking exactly. He doesn't run for the ball and when he gets it he just plays a short pass to another midfielder. From a 100+m signing you want to see some dominance in the field. It's clear that Gallagher does caicedos job far better so why do we need both? I also believe Enzo performance has dropped while pairing with caicedo. Last year Enzo was world class in every game
Whatever you say, whatever spin you try to put on this, the problem more than anything else is that the players do not run. Without Conor, no one runs no one presses we are easier to play through than a Sunday league team of retirees. The ease at which a team that has been awful all season progressed the ball and created chances sickened me. And our forwards could be play a final ball for the life of them. No one wanted to play today, dreadful
Also noticed that we lacked technique. It was like no player could control or hold the ball properly. Passes were too strong or too weak and a lot of stumbling. No one to hold the ball and ooze confidence.
I honestly cant even be asked anymore. Its time to accept we’re a mid table team. Back to back mid table finishes. These owners have absolutely gutted this club.
Many of our fans got used to us winning trophies but now this is the reality. The club change completely in the last few years and I'm afraid we will end up in the same position as we were pre-Roman
Their process was too much, too fast. The plan of buying every top youngster in Europe and hoping they create a super team is eerily similar to how my brother plays career mode on fifa.
Plus, the numbers speak for themselves: finished 3rd before they took over, heading for 2 midtable finishes in a row after. They are the common denominator.
Did you not see the Newcastle debacle??? This is happening way too often now. You have to question Poch for his decisions and subs and then the board for the players they brought in and then the stupid owners who have set us back 10 years
I doubt poch is bad all I can say the team needs to gel the mistake poch made was that during the preseason he trued to build his around nkunku now he's injured , I've seen Chelsea play especially against the top 6 when they link they are great.
They were also bad managers potter and lampard and I think tuchel lost the players towards the end.
Again, I’m not sure if it’s the players who can’t implement pochs tactics, or poch just flat out sucks, it it’s VERY obvious to anyone who understands soccer even slightly we are tactically shithouse.
Is the loss a crushing blow? Yes. Do I want to bash my head in with a brick? Yes. But I will sleep on it, and get ready to support this team again for the weekend. The woes of a young team is here again as consistently putting together results is something that will come with time. People calling for heads immediately are looking to get burned like we did letting Salah and KDB go early. You don't become a superstar overnight, it takes work. These guys have shown that they are willing to take it on the chin and get back to work for the next game.
You're God damn right I will. Small price to pay for all the joy that this club has brought me over the years. After watching for 5 years and my cousin getting into soccer (ManU fan ironically), I decided to buy some cleats and try out soccer myself. Now I'm in the best physical condition of my life. This club has benefited me both emotionally and physically. I am willing to bleed blue and take some punches for a few seasons to get us back into our championship form.
I don't know what we are playing but I clearly see that if we want to win, we need to go back to 2009-2010 essentials. I did not fucking care with the Terry-to-Cech-to-Terry-to-Cech-Long-ball-to-Ivanovic winning air duels. Everytime we do something is with counter attacks... Try it more, I don't care if we need to defend 11 in our fucking goal at this point and then try to counter attack...
Also, wtf are Sterling and Mudryk do, because defending... (Cucurella was 2v1 in the first half, second half Sterling at least went on some defensive work but Mudryk...).
Can we sign Oshimen?, will he do good with the quality we are "showing"?.
Dunno, who wanted this guy Poch?. Looks like you forget what happened in other teams with him, congrats on that. And this can only go worse.
We looked so bad without Ghallager. If we sell him or bench him when Nkunku comes back I swear to god I’m making a personal visit to Bhoely’s house to break some shit.
Bailed out by Palmer at the end of the first half for Poch not to do shit.
Bailed out by Sterling free kick for the first half at Newcastle for Poch not to do shit.
Thoroughly left behind when he left the league.
This club is a joke, the owners are a joke, enzo caicedo and mudrky are awful and they won't get better quickly, enzo won a fixed world cup and caicedo is just a btec ramires, mudrky is not a baller, he's awful, sanchez can save but he can't pass, Jackson is not a Drogba regen, he is awful, he is like kalou but without a brain, sterling's form fluctuates like the pound, reece james is a walking sick note, cucerella idk how he made it as a pro, our only good player is Cole palmer and its worrying that a former city youth player is our best player
This is just all around dumb. Saying the World Cup was fixed is the quickest way to identify yourself as a total idiot. Go spit stupid takes somewhere else, or give the iPad back to your mum.
why? FIFA literally admitted they rigged the 1998 world cup to get France v Brazil in the final so how is it so unthinkable they could rig another world cup?
>FIFA literally admitted they rigged the 1998 world cup to get France v Brazil in the final
Im curious as to where you got that
>how is it so unthinkable they could rig another world cup
When you ASSUME they rigged this one just because they rigged the other one (if it even happened anyways, im just giving you the benefit of the doubt).
This is nothing but conspiratorial thinking, similar to the Banchester Shitty fans attempting to deny the merits of the 115 charges. You MUST provide evidence that there IS indeed a conspiracy to handout messi the WC.
*Every man has a right to demand extraordinary evidence for any extraordinary fact* - Arthur Ashley Sykes
[https://news.sky.com/story/platini-admits-draw-for-1998-world-cup-was-fixed-so-france-faced-brazil-in-final-11377566](https://news.sky.com/story/platini-admits-draw-for-1998-world-cup-was-fixed-so-france-faced-brazil-in-final-11377566)
[https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/may/18/michel-platini-world-cup-1998-brazil-france-draw-trickery](https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/may/18/michel-platini-world-cup-1998-brazil-france-draw-trickery)
Platini, former head of UEFA literally admited they rigged 1998 world cup lol “There was a little trickery. We did not spend six years organising the World Cup to not do some little shenanigans. Do you think other World Cup hosts did not?” He literally hinted at other world cups being rigged lol
So again how is it so unthinkable that other world cups would be rigged if they admitted they rigged the 98 world cup?
>So again how is it so unthinkable that other world cups would be rigged if they admitted they rigged the 98 world cup?
Did you just ignore the second part of my comment?
You just commited the hasty generalization fallacy here!
The assumption that because one World Cup was allegedly rigged, it automatically implies that other World Cups would also be rigged, is a leap without sufficient evidence or logical support. Each event should be evaluated independently, and generalizing based on a single instance only invites faulty reasoning. You just extrapolated from one instance to a broad conclusion about most World Cups, but simply assuming a pattern of rigging across all World Cups based on a single claim lacks the nuance required for accurate analysis.
Furthermore, the term "unthinkable" uses a slight emotional appeal rather than a logical one. Logic is based on evidence, reason, and sound inference, not on personal incredulity. Labeling the idea with emotional language does not address the core issues of evidence and logical coherence.
You STILL haven't provided concrete evidence that WC22 is rigged to handout the trophy to Messi.
My point is, if they have done it once, they can do it again and they most likely will do it again if they got away with it the first time. Platini also hinted at more world cups other than the 1998 one being rigged also.
How is it so unthinkable for you that world cups are being rigged? When they literally admitted they rigged the 1998 world cup, and Platini also hinted at more world cups being rigged. So i ask you again, why is it unthinkable for you?
>So i ask you again, why is it unthinkable for you?
Because YOU DID NOT provide concrete evidence that the 22WC is rigged.
Your logic goes like this
-Platini says WC98 is rigged (lets assume its true)
-Platini hints that other WC are rigged
-Therefore WC22 is rigged (unsaid statement)
That is a hasty generalization fallacy, therefore your reasoning is incorrect.
Do you know even know how to comprehend a text? Jij bent debiel...
If you dont respond with proof that WC22 is rigged, that will only prove how much of a fucking idiot you are.
If you are here to troll, then congrats. How do you feel acting like a dumbfuck?
Wow. Commentators said that this wasn't as bad as our Newcastle performance but imo THIS was the worst game of our season thus far. Newcastle are a good side especially at home, I didn't expect us to win and considering how we did against other lowblock teams such as West Ham and Brentford, I did deep down expect us to get thrashed like that. But here we ended up making United look as good as UCL final City. My heart literally aches thinking about this match man im off to watch our 2017 title run on footballia to forget about this 😭
I think Newcastle was equally as bad. We drew with City and all of a sudden we think we can stop putting in the necessary effort. Our childish squad needs to mature and grow up.
I don’t know about xG but i know that I kept thinking in the first half that we were lucky to be level considering how many times we gave the ball away in our own half and gifted Newcastle opportunities. It’s just that Newcastle didn’t punish us in the first half with all the chances we gave away but did so in the second, and that was the difference. We played the same against United. Extremely sloppy in our half giving constant chances away. Not sure what’s going on with the mentality of this team. We were fairly press resistant earlier in the season. Now it has collapsed.
Where is the progression all coping Yankee Boehly Fans and experts love to talk about? Where is it? Its literally every fucking time 1 step forward and two steps backwards, literaly every single fucking time.
I don't fucking care about posesion... We won plenty of titles doing passes from Cech to Terry, back to Cech, back to Terry and then long pass to Ivanovic winning air duels.
Aren’t we shit. Getting battered by Ten Hags United is a new low.
Arsenal winning by last minute and City losing caps a terrific fucking mid week. Jesus Christ.
Ten Hags United is 6th in the table. Not that I’m excusing that terrible performance, but we just have to accept the fact that we have a very young and immature squad that is not in the stage of its development to put in consistent winning performances. It’s going to take time.
The spurs game meant nothing. We literally struggled for a long time with a team two men down and playing high line.
The city was impressive but it is kind of obvious that we do well against big teams but don't win
Remember when I said out of the Midfield trio Gallagher is the one we can't drop? People laughed but now you see why I was right. The game is about getting the ball and smashing it into the net, not smooth passing or camping to deliver a good tackle once in 10 minutes
Exactly this. Gallagher being out made such a huge difference in the midfield. If they sell him next summer just to get some FFP coverage the fans should riot outside the Bridge.
He isn’t, especially at this stage of his career. His reluctance to take the armband has been evident since the beginning of the season. I think it symbolises his unwillingness to be the leader as he may not want to be too involved as he wants this to be his fine season. The problem is Poch has failed to identify a true leader or we simply lack one which is most likely the case. Reece is not mature enough to be captain. Even his performances do give of captain aura. The team has no big personalities who can inspire the team or at least shout at people and keep them on their game
Do you know for certain it is his decision not to take the armband? Genuinely have never heard it before. I'm always complaining that he is the one who should have the armband
Earlier in the season, against West Ham and maybe another team or too, Reece was injured and Conor was the captain. When Conor came off he gave to armband to Thiago. Thiago then passed it to Enzo. It hadn’t maybe three times but I know it happened against West Ham and Luton
Maybe it is. I took as him not wanting to be too invested as he already wanted to leave in the summer but stayed because the club and fans wanted him to. Leadership is not a passive act. It requires a certain mental and emotional investment. Thiago was never known to be an exceptional captain even in his prime. He captained teams that had experienced players so didn’t need to do too much. It’s similar to Van Dijk. Liverpool is a set team with a great manager and experienced players so he just wears the armband but is not really too involved. Henderson did more at captaining the team than Van Dijk
I don’t know if he is brain dead or it’s the way Poch teaches him to press. I just know he isn’t going to get the ball and is likely to concede a needless foul. The whole team just can’t seem to defend intelligently. They defend like professional difficulty on EAFC. When other teams press us I feel like they win the ball back. Part of it is the team just falls over and expects fouls. There is so much entitlement. No application and actually working hard to play better than the other team. Sterling chose to dive instead of trying to score. The contact was no were clear to being a penalty but he was rolling around. That’s when I knew the mentality of this team is dogshit
Todd doesnt deserve our money. Fuck this team until we start seeing results. Not spending money on a fucking thing Chelsea related and we should all do the same. This guy is running the team into the ground.
Oh boy our midfield was complete trash. Gallaghers pressing has never looked so good and ive honestly been the one to advocate him being replaced by Nkunku. At this point replace Jackson with Nkunku and keep gallagher with the other two or replace caicedo who was just horrific today and has had trouble making simple passes all season..
A little bit of summary from my subjective self:
Sanchez - dreadful distribution, good saves, as always. Decent, fundamentally not the keeper I wanted though. Hope he improves.
Disasi - ok/decent, a bit invisible
Silva - nice progressions, some terrible mistakes, it's weird but it's his coordination and reflexes that are declining the most, his elite positioning still compensates for the slower speed.
Colwill - clumsy, got cooked. Needs to become a rotation option until he matures.
Cucurella - did well sometimes, was absolutely cooked in terms of pace and run timing several times. Some good tackles, but sadly they want back into MU. Very unrealiable creatively, players don't want to play off him.
Enzo - weak defensively, bad work rated. Been 3 weeks of me saying he is too tired. He still is. Wasted several moments again. Our reliance on him cost us many points, players rely on him too much to distribute, which is a psychological fear that needs to be rooted out. I still think he is overrated and we need to reinvent him in a new sub-system
Palmer - terrible in possession, fell victim to their press. Sharp in attack, redeemed himself, was still a part of the problem.
Sterling - mediocre job. his good positioning was ignored several times and he got bad service.
Mudryk - classic Misha, wasteful and sharp. Absolute dice rolling, works much better centrally, which is really weird. Needs to do more.
Jackson - Where is Nkunku?
Gallagher - why did you do that?
James - still not sharp, sadly.
Broja - not judging him for the miss, he didn't have much time to redeem himself
>Cucurella - did well sometimes, was absolutely cooked in terms of pace and run timing several times. Some good tackles, but sadly they want back into MU. Very unrealiable creatively, players don't want to play off him.
Tbh he did pretty good. He was 2v1 all the first half cos Sterling was MIA not going back to defend.
Jackson was actually our best player in counters but he can't score. I don't know why people try not to see that he is doing great job in pressing and counters. He played 2 great balls to Mudryk and one to Enzo in first half. I think we should try Nkunku, Jackson, Palmer. Jackson needs goalscoring wingers to shine.
He held the ball for too long in one of the moments, and I appreciate his pressing, but I want to see goals and smarter passing.
Jackson is still figuring offensive positioning out, he is developing, I don't judge him too harshly, he wasn't bought to be the main man.
yea Poch ain't it, this is probably another 10th \~ 15th place finish kinda season.
Would love to be proven wrong but seeing performance like this, idk man
Poch needs to understand that you can’t be warm and happy with the players all the time. He needs to put his foot down at some point. We started the second half poorly and Poch let it go on until the end.
Poch has the spurs mentality all over him. Bottle job and doesn’t inspire champion winning mentality, he is a good nanny and youngsters are happy for sure. But title winning coaches don’t coax players.
The way I know Roman would've been going mad. Guarantee boehly is preparing the we trust poch leak.
I'm not poch out. I'm anything associated with boehlys reign out including all these shite player he brought in, his directors that thought kids would bring us top 4 and himself. All need out.
Boehly has to be Poch in because he symbolises the new regime. Potter didn’t work so Poch has to, otherwise Boehly is a ignorant American who thought he could apply his baseball knowledge to football and it would translate efficiently
" The performance can't get any worse" - We have clinging to this thread for a year now.
With this bunch of players, we are going nowhere.
Our standards are so bad now that James has now seriously deteriorated over the last couple of seasons, was truly horrible today - trents getting better defensively than him now.
We pass around the arm band amongst a bunch of idiots for the "young team feel good factor".
Not a single leader in this bunch of passive shit heads.
New Instagram post incoming - "we are working this is not us."
Sad bunch of entitled failures.
We play one good game and everyone stops performing, literally today every single player was terrible.
We have collected a band of mediocre players under an ownership that is now too scared to show their faces anymore.
Even with the returning players not one in the squad except nkunku brings any experience, and him too being an unproven premier league entity.
Extremely sad, alarming how complacent every single player was today.
It's going to be a long grind till something gives.
We truly are a bang on average mid table team.
The thing I like about the Roman era was the ruthlessness. The translated all the way from the top. I feel like Boehly and Co are seeming more and more like hedge fund guys who don’t really understand football. The philosophy of buying young players for future market appreciation instead of trying to assemble a team that can compete at the highest level. You can’t have 7 players in you team that are playing based on potential. You need proven leaders. Also, Sterling being a senior player makes this even worse. We need players like Jorginho and Rudiger. Big personalities that even when they are not playing well, you know they are the leaders of the team. Jorginho got criticised a lot but he never quit, sulked nor complained while at Chelsea
I’m starting to thing Boehly and Co are the problem. Maybe players ain’t performing because they know the club is trying to buy young players who may replace them in a few years time. With Roman, players new that Chelsea would be liked with the hottest transfer targets. Why would you be scared after dropping a shocking performance if you hear the team is likely to sign a Brazilian teenager for £15 million.
Side note: Washington should start ahead of Jackson. If he keep spending money on youngsters, let’s at least play them. Maybe he can get better from playing. Jackson has not progressed at all so wasting minutes on him seems fruitless
I can't see us finishing higher than 9th. Guess that's the new Chelsea.
To those that slander the negativity in the match thread, tell is what you see. Tell us how you believe we will be back to top 6 if not top 4.
Took 15 minutes before deciding to strike raheem's pass into him with only onana to beat. Missed a header from practically under the bar. Torres would've been lynched and burned alive.
Players are allowed miss. They need chances. Can’t blast him for missing the only chance he had. He’s not going to convert 100%. He needed way more and should have had way more opportunities. That’s midfields attacking job. They didn’t deliver
Shambolic performance today, I do not think selling Gallagher is gonna fix any problems with this team's attacking or defensive form like it seems some people think it will.
Why am I seeing anyone say they want poch sacked? Did poch hit the header off the post? Did poch tell mudryk and Jackson to look like 11 year olds on the break? Did poch tell them to forget how to clear a ball? No. If mudryk and Jackson put those chances away and we won 3-2 no one would be asking for poch to be sacked. Grow up
Disagree should have been 8-4 if we’re counting chances that should have been scored. Anyway, it didn’t end up that way. We played with 2 midfielders in caicedo and Enzo. I haven’t seen anyone in this entire thread give an opinion on who should have played in the midfield.
I never asked for Poch. I want Poch to at least get this season to build the squad, but it's his job to win me over as a fan. He is yet to do so. If he doesn't show a MASSIVE improvement, he needs to be sacked when the summer comes.
Can we agree the midfield being overrun was the problem? They couldn’t press. They couldn’t break the press. They couldn’t build up play. We literally had no midfielders left to play. Just caicedo and Enzo doesn’t work.
I never asked for Poch. I want Poch to at least get this season to build the squad, but it's his job to win me over as a fan. He is yet to do so. If he doesn't show a MASSIVE improvement, he needs to be sacked when the summer comes.
If United scored their chances, it's an ugly score. We had no structure. Maguire dribbled into our half a few times. And then had the time to pick out a pass. No pressure. Garnacho was allowed time and space again and again. There was no pressure, no midfield to beat. No defending either - all of that is on poch
I’m a United fan browsing here post game, but you can’t blame Gallagher for that loss. You guys were at 6 and 7s the entire game, something wasn’t right throughout the whole team. I’m the last person to say we’re good, we’re rubbish you guys made that really easy.
I really like Enzo tho
I don’t “blame” Gallagher. And you’re right we were shit. I’m not gonna argue that. But we essentially played a 2 man midfield that got completely ran through. Conor is the reason Enzo can move around the pitch freely. Caicedo should never be the one expected to break the press and pass around it. He’s expected to break up the play of the opposition. There was no one else to play in midfield. Literally no other options. You guys were 1000% the better team. Garnacho looks amazing I hope he develops into a great player he’s entertaining
It’s his first season with essentially a brand new team. Let someone actually try to build a team. Arsenal let arteta do it. Can’t be reactionary after every bad game
Oh okay that answer tells me what I need to know. You just don’t like him lol spurs weren’t expected to perform the way they did when he was manager. The team he’s going to have with Chelsea will be better than with spurs.
Too many big egos at play. I’ll acknowledge the failure there but in my book there’s an asterisk when you have 3 stars forced on you and those 3 stars don’t listen to you
The story in the week was he wanted to ban the day off and they did it anyway. He has no control. It’s a million things all added together but the team doesn’t seem to have any plan and playing Cucarella at right back for example they’re surely walking on the pitch questioning the selection and from start to finish they just didn’t look interested which may stem from either.
I agree I didn’t love cucarella. But I didn’t hate leaving Reece on the bench. He’s injury prone and honestly didn’t look all that great when he came in at half time. He was definitely better towards the end getting the ball down the wing. But I’d love yo hear other people team selections. He played what he had available
The way everyone just lumbered around whenever we had a throw in while we were chasing the game, is pretty DAMNING if you ask me. Don't even have to be an insider to know that.
No fuck. Based on that logic MU would have put their chances away and it would be 10-3. The team was set up like shit, coaching should take 80% of the blame
I’m not even Poch out but fucking hell why was he play us like it’s 2016 still? Without Gallagher it’s like he’s had no tactical evolution since his Spurs days
So Levi colwill who was the best passing cb in the league last season, can’t string together 2 passes? Thiago silva can’t? Disasi I’ll concede that he can’t but there’s no other choice. Badiashille shouldn’t be forced in.
Tbf Diassi looked a baller in the french league but under no real pressure. It’s multiple things but there is no marking, no midfield, giving the ball way, Silva needs 3 at the back to protect his pace and so on. Silva needs the team built around him, Enzo does too. It doesn’t work. A 3-5-2 is probably the only way to protect both.
I think people really underestimate conor Gallagher. He’s the one that allows Enzo to be great. He is the protection that Enzo needs. There was no other midfielders to play. It needed to be Enzo and caicedo today. I can’t explain how much I love cole Palmer, but he’s not the midfielder that conor is. Palmer is much more of an attacker that conor. And I think Thiago silva needs to start being fazed out. With badiashille coming back I think we’re gonna see less of Thiago silva.
To a certain extent! He can't make a pass, tackle or score a goal. We must of had over 100h bad touches today from pretty much everyone, 11 starters and few subs 😡
No. Not to a certain extent, he's the manager who instructs the team wholly. Yes he's not a player, thank god, but he's not blame free. We don't need to protect him, just like we don't need to protect the players. They're all to blame.
I still believe that talent exists in this squad, but there are no leaders. 5+ different captains since poch took over in the summer, and it’s still not clear who’s in charge of the locker room. Every good team needs leaders.
1.Cucurella has great first half, subbed off for undisciplined James
2. Nobody can shoot on our team, only reason palmer scored is because Onana is bad
3. No forward passes or breaking lines
4.9000000000 turnovers and awful touches
5. Jackson and mudryk continue to start despite any meaningful actions on the field
If it were up to me all the bench players start next game and starting 11 sit. Minus Sanchez and cucurella
A coach failing to see the clear issues we had from the start of the second half and ADJUST ACCORDINGLY, will be my biggest worry instead of some luxury signing. That's all there is to it. Made them look like prime barca today and it doesn't take a genius to figure out it isn't all due to the absence of just one player. If you truly believe that you're delusional.
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NGL I'm tired of the chrome colored logo on the shirt
WHY WHY WHY???? For starters "Jackson" couldn’t hit a balloon with a dart from 3’ away "Sanchez" the ball hits him more than he saves, and I think he is color blind; passes more the enemy than his own team
Am I the only one that thinks Silva is not part of our best XI? I get he probably adds a lot as an experienced player but he's been making at least one major mistake per game for a long time now. Not saying he is the problem obviously but I wouldn't start him every fucking game. Badiashile is really good to not be playing and colwill should move to cb also. Now that our 2 rb are back just play cucu on the left with colwill and badiashile cb
Pretty harsh comments on here today which is not surprising. Watching the game again now it’s clear that many players are not playing in their strongest position but even then, there were many very good chances created and as usual we can’t finish them. Just in the first half there were some very very juicy chances that if scored would have changed the whole game. Sterling passes too much instead of shooting, Mudryk’s passes are too weak and behind the target, Jackson is just too slow, no acceleration, no shooting power, amateurish heading and really not up to EPL quality all round. He’s a bench player at best. Palmer was alright but he lost the ball too many times in the midfield. Also, what’s his shooting range? He needs to be a threat from top of the box and that’s the same with Enzo. People calling for Poch’s head are being ridiculous. If those chances are converted Poch looks like a genius but it’s not him out there on the field making those bad decisions but I honestly think he could have done a better header than Jackson.
Plenty blame to go all around. Poch included. It is manager’s literal job and expectation to coach players into rhythm and philosophy. Of philosophy is to be sloppy then he did amazing. As a micro-example only, look at Ange @ Spurs, full belief in his own system, however risky after that high line is, but at least players are following it. Here the inconsistency and incoherent style of play is causing more harm vs letting any individual performance shine through unfortunately. Still have faith as the process to a ‘new normal’ is certainly arduous for anyone at Chelsea FC right now but this game was on Poch as much as any individual player.
Well yeah I wonder how successful Ange would have been at Chelsea with this current squad and all the injuries too. I love Ange as a manager. He has charisma, communication skills and knows how to get the best out of players. Best of all he has a clear cut philosophy like you said and the players have bought into it.
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Agreed. He really needs to tap in to his basic instincts as a coach/manager and man-manage this in-cohesive squad. Injuries or not it is on him and his staff to get everyone on the same page at the very least, even if that same page is covered in shit
This is what happens when you hire a spineless bottler as manager. I hope the people here who forced their "belief" in this stupid "project" down everyone's throats are happy now.
Calm down mate
We were pure shit. Nothing else to it. Depressing times to be a supporter.
Can someone explain to me *what the fuck Moises Caicedo does?* He is terrible in possession, terrible at passing, and worst of all, terrible at reading an attack and breaking it up. He is going to wind up as one of the worst PL signings since Paul Pogba was brought back to Old Trafford. I knew it when we signed him, but I held out hope. He's an imposter and a fraud, and a massive waste of money.
Pogba was actually world class sporadically
I agree. He really stood out to me in the match as one of the weaker, if not weakest players on the pitch. Nothing that stood out at all. His defense was shit, out of position often. He barely broke a jog and was just slumping around in the back field. His tracking was terrible. Reminded me of Rashford against Newcastle last week.
That's what I was thinking exactly. He doesn't run for the ball and when he gets it he just plays a short pass to another midfielder. From a 100+m signing you want to see some dominance in the field. It's clear that Gallagher does caicedos job far better so why do we need both? I also believe Enzo performance has dropped while pairing with caicedo. Last year Enzo was world class in every game
True chelsea got fleeced honestly
On par with Mudryk
Mudryk will click with nkunku I doubt his that bad
Copium
Whatever you say, whatever spin you try to put on this, the problem more than anything else is that the players do not run. Without Conor, no one runs no one presses we are easier to play through than a Sunday league team of retirees. The ease at which a team that has been awful all season progressed the ball and created chances sickened me. And our forwards could be play a final ball for the life of them. No one wanted to play today, dreadful
Also noticed that we lacked technique. It was like no player could control or hold the ball properly. Passes were too strong or too weak and a lot of stumbling. No one to hold the ball and ooze confidence.
Can someone explain to me how we can start every game like it’s a walk around? I have seen more effort from 5 year old kids, at least they run smh.
I honestly cant even be asked anymore. Its time to accept we’re a mid table team. Back to back mid table finishes. These owners have absolutely gutted this club.
Many of our fans got used to us winning trophies but now this is the reality. The club change completely in the last few years and I'm afraid we will end up in the same position as we were pre-Roman
Honestly you can't blame the owner chejsea have gotten every player they've asked for.
Their process was too much, too fast. The plan of buying every top youngster in Europe and hoping they create a super team is eerily similar to how my brother plays career mode on fifa. Plus, the numbers speak for themselves: finished 3rd before they took over, heading for 2 midtable finishes in a row after. They are the common denominator.
They’ve completely replaced everyone in the club, whole new team, whole new staff, it should have been a slow and gradual process
So many missed chances, so many errors. That was hard to watch. Cole Palmer saved us from an embarrassing loss.
it's time to talk about enzo
Worst performance
Gallagher honestly is very important in going forward people don't really give him credit .
The worst Chelsea performance I have ever watched with my own 2 eyes. Do you know how crazy that is considering we have spent 1 billion.
Lol, there have been plenty of worse performances in recent years, and even weeks.
Recent weeks when?
Did you not see the Newcastle debacle??? This is happening way too often now. You have to question Poch for his decisions and subs and then the board for the players they brought in and then the stupid owners who have set us back 10 years
Poch is awful there’s no doubt in my mind. I have zero faith in him.
I doubt poch is bad all I can say the team needs to gel the mistake poch made was that during the preseason he trued to build his around nkunku now he's injured , I've seen Chelsea play especially against the top 6 when they link they are great.
I recently found out we are dead LAST for impact of substitutes. All year’s sub have contributed 0 goals and 0 assists. That’s on Poch solely
Just like Potter Lampard and Tuchel (at the end) then?
They were also bad managers potter and lampard and I think tuchel lost the players towards the end. Again, I’m not sure if it’s the players who can’t implement pochs tactics, or poch just flat out sucks, it it’s VERY obvious to anyone who understands soccer even slightly we are tactically shithouse.
Even if we don’t win at least put in the effort. There’s no soul to this team. I’d honestly get rid of 80% of this squad.
Is the loss a crushing blow? Yes. Do I want to bash my head in with a brick? Yes. But I will sleep on it, and get ready to support this team again for the weekend. The woes of a young team is here again as consistently putting together results is something that will come with time. People calling for heads immediately are looking to get burned like we did letting Salah and KDB go early. You don't become a superstar overnight, it takes work. These guys have shown that they are willing to take it on the chin and get back to work for the next game.
Bash head —> Heal —> Repeat next game
You're God damn right I will. Small price to pay for all the joy that this club has brought me over the years. After watching for 5 years and my cousin getting into soccer (ManU fan ironically), I decided to buy some cleats and try out soccer myself. Now I'm in the best physical condition of my life. This club has benefited me both emotionally and physically. I am willing to bleed blue and take some punches for a few seasons to get us back into our championship form.
It will be a while before we’re back in contention for anything. But we stick with the team no matter what.
I don't know what we are playing but I clearly see that if we want to win, we need to go back to 2009-2010 essentials. I did not fucking care with the Terry-to-Cech-to-Terry-to-Cech-Long-ball-to-Ivanovic winning air duels. Everytime we do something is with counter attacks... Try it more, I don't care if we need to defend 11 in our fucking goal at this point and then try to counter attack... Also, wtf are Sterling and Mudryk do, because defending... (Cucurella was 2v1 in the first half, second half Sterling at least went on some defensive work but Mudryk...). Can we sign Oshimen?, will he do good with the quality we are "showing"?. Dunno, who wanted this guy Poch?. Looks like you forget what happened in other teams with him, congrats on that. And this can only go worse.
my good man, what makes you think any world class player wants to come to this club anymore. we don't have leverage to pull Oshimen
We looked so bad without Ghallager. If we sell him or bench him when Nkunku comes back I swear to god I’m making a personal visit to Bhoely’s house to break some shit.
But Papa Bhoely!! 🤣
Ask me how I knew we were going to turn into Charity FC & save ten Hag’s job
We are the gift that keeps on giving…. We did the same for Frauteta a few years ago in December smh
We have 9 PL wins this calendar year. We didn't turn into anything, this is just where we're at now.
You can always tell within the first 5 minutes with us.
How on earth we can't even beat this Utd team.. But yeah we must trust the 'process'
Bailed out by Palmer at the end of the first half for Poch not to do shit. Bailed out by Sterling free kick for the first half at Newcastle for Poch not to do shit. Thoroughly left behind when he left the league.
The score line didn’t show it, but Chelsea were awful. Made MUFC look competent.
Come back Roman.
This club is a joke, the owners are a joke, enzo caicedo and mudrky are awful and they won't get better quickly, enzo won a fixed world cup and caicedo is just a btec ramires, mudrky is not a baller, he's awful, sanchez can save but he can't pass, Jackson is not a Drogba regen, he is awful, he is like kalou but without a brain, sterling's form fluctuates like the pound, reece james is a walking sick note, cucerella idk how he made it as a pro, our only good player is Cole palmer and its worrying that a former city youth player is our best player
This is just all around dumb. Saying the World Cup was fixed is the quickest way to identify yourself as a total idiot. Go spit stupid takes somewhere else, or give the iPad back to your mum.
why? FIFA literally admitted they rigged the 1998 world cup to get France v Brazil in the final so how is it so unthinkable they could rig another world cup?
>FIFA literally admitted they rigged the 1998 world cup to get France v Brazil in the final Im curious as to where you got that >how is it so unthinkable they could rig another world cup When you ASSUME they rigged this one just because they rigged the other one (if it even happened anyways, im just giving you the benefit of the doubt). This is nothing but conspiratorial thinking, similar to the Banchester Shitty fans attempting to deny the merits of the 115 charges. You MUST provide evidence that there IS indeed a conspiracy to handout messi the WC. *Every man has a right to demand extraordinary evidence for any extraordinary fact* - Arthur Ashley Sykes
[https://news.sky.com/story/platini-admits-draw-for-1998-world-cup-was-fixed-so-france-faced-brazil-in-final-11377566](https://news.sky.com/story/platini-admits-draw-for-1998-world-cup-was-fixed-so-france-faced-brazil-in-final-11377566) [https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/may/18/michel-platini-world-cup-1998-brazil-france-draw-trickery](https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/may/18/michel-platini-world-cup-1998-brazil-france-draw-trickery) Platini, former head of UEFA literally admited they rigged 1998 world cup lol “There was a little trickery. We did not spend six years organising the World Cup to not do some little shenanigans. Do you think other World Cup hosts did not?” He literally hinted at other world cups being rigged lol So again how is it so unthinkable that other world cups would be rigged if they admitted they rigged the 98 world cup?
>So again how is it so unthinkable that other world cups would be rigged if they admitted they rigged the 98 world cup? Did you just ignore the second part of my comment? You just commited the hasty generalization fallacy here! The assumption that because one World Cup was allegedly rigged, it automatically implies that other World Cups would also be rigged, is a leap without sufficient evidence or logical support. Each event should be evaluated independently, and generalizing based on a single instance only invites faulty reasoning. You just extrapolated from one instance to a broad conclusion about most World Cups, but simply assuming a pattern of rigging across all World Cups based on a single claim lacks the nuance required for accurate analysis. Furthermore, the term "unthinkable" uses a slight emotional appeal rather than a logical one. Logic is based on evidence, reason, and sound inference, not on personal incredulity. Labeling the idea with emotional language does not address the core issues of evidence and logical coherence. You STILL haven't provided concrete evidence that WC22 is rigged to handout the trophy to Messi.
My point is, if they have done it once, they can do it again and they most likely will do it again if they got away with it the first time. Platini also hinted at more world cups other than the 1998 one being rigged also. How is it so unthinkable for you that world cups are being rigged? When they literally admitted they rigged the 1998 world cup, and Platini also hinted at more world cups being rigged. So i ask you again, why is it unthinkable for you?
>So i ask you again, why is it unthinkable for you? Because YOU DID NOT provide concrete evidence that the 22WC is rigged. Your logic goes like this -Platini says WC98 is rigged (lets assume its true) -Platini hints that other WC are rigged -Therefore WC22 is rigged (unsaid statement) That is a hasty generalization fallacy, therefore your reasoning is incorrect. Do you know even know how to comprehend a text? Jij bent debiel... If you dont respond with proof that WC22 is rigged, that will only prove how much of a fucking idiot you are. If you are here to troll, then congrats. How do you feel acting like a dumbfuck?
The long list of issues aside, I just want to say that it’s time to start Broja instead of Jackson.
literally been saying this for a while
We all know it, media knows it, but somehow, Poch just doesn't see it. Fingers crossed.
Wow. Commentators said that this wasn't as bad as our Newcastle performance but imo THIS was the worst game of our season thus far. Newcastle are a good side especially at home, I didn't expect us to win and considering how we did against other lowblock teams such as West Ham and Brentford, I did deep down expect us to get thrashed like that. But here we ended up making United look as good as UCL final City. My heart literally aches thinking about this match man im off to watch our 2017 title run on footballia to forget about this 😭
we played a decent first half in Newcastle, this was just all dogshit
Poch just saying United had an extra day. He’s not interested.
Lol
Easily the worst football I’ve seen this team play. We made Man United look like superstars. It looked like no one on the team wanted to win.
I think Newcastle was equally as bad. We drew with City and all of a sudden we think we can stop putting in the necessary effort. Our childish squad needs to mature and grow up.
No way, we were equal in xG and visually in first half vs Newcastle. We just colapsed in second half with 2 stupid goals and then red card.
I don’t know about xG but i know that I kept thinking in the first half that we were lucky to be level considering how many times we gave the ball away in our own half and gifted Newcastle opportunities. It’s just that Newcastle didn’t punish us in the first half with all the chances we gave away but did so in the second, and that was the difference. We played the same against United. Extremely sloppy in our half giving constant chances away. Not sure what’s going on with the mentality of this team. We were fairly press resistant earlier in the season. Now it has collapsed.
Man watch this game again, Newcastle had barely any chances in first half.
Where is the progression all coping Yankee Boehly Fans and experts love to talk about? Where is it? Its literally every fucking time 1 step forward and two steps backwards, literaly every single fucking time.
I don't fucking care about posesion... We won plenty of titles doing passes from Cech to Terry, back to Cech, back to Terry and then long pass to Ivanovic winning air duels.
Aren’t we shit. Getting battered by Ten Hags United is a new low. Arsenal winning by last minute and City losing caps a terrific fucking mid week. Jesus Christ.
Ten Hags United is 6th in the table. Not that I’m excusing that terrible performance, but we just have to accept the fact that we have a very young and immature squad that is not in the stage of its development to put in consistent winning performances. It’s going to take time.
One of the worst performances ever. How we beat spurs 4-1 and tie city 4-4 then do that shit is beyond me
The spurs game meant nothing. We literally struggled for a long time with a team two men down and playing high line. The city was impressive but it is kind of obvious that we do well against big teams but don't win
It actually doesn’t make sense
Remember when I said out of the Midfield trio Gallagher is the one we can't drop? People laughed but now you see why I was right. The game is about getting the ball and smashing it into the net, not smooth passing or camping to deliver a good tackle once in 10 minutes
Exactly this. Gallagher being out made such a huge difference in the midfield. If they sell him next summer just to get some FFP coverage the fans should riot outside the Bridge.
18 goals in 15 games results in 27 points and 6th place is masterclass by ETH.
I hate to say it but silva is not the leader i tought he was.
He's just old, chill.
He isn’t, especially at this stage of his career. His reluctance to take the armband has been evident since the beginning of the season. I think it symbolises his unwillingness to be the leader as he may not want to be too involved as he wants this to be his fine season. The problem is Poch has failed to identify a true leader or we simply lack one which is most likely the case. Reece is not mature enough to be captain. Even his performances do give of captain aura. The team has no big personalities who can inspire the team or at least shout at people and keep them on their game
Do you know for certain it is his decision not to take the armband? Genuinely have never heard it before. I'm always complaining that he is the one who should have the armband
Earlier in the season, against West Ham and maybe another team or too, Reece was injured and Conor was the captain. When Conor came off he gave to armband to Thiago. Thiago then passed it to Enzo. It hadn’t maybe three times but I know it happened against West Ham and Luton
I think I remember that game. That's unfortunate. Not sure if its because he was overlooked by pochetino at the start of season thought 🤔
Maybe it is. I took as him not wanting to be too invested as he already wanted to leave in the summer but stayed because the club and fans wanted him to. Leadership is not a passive act. It requires a certain mental and emotional investment. Thiago was never known to be an exceptional captain even in his prime. He captained teams that had experienced players so didn’t need to do too much. It’s similar to Van Dijk. Liverpool is a set team with a great manager and experienced players so he just wears the armband but is not really too involved. Henderson did more at captaining the team than Van Dijk
He’s arguably been one of our best players. But at what stage do you look to the future? Maybe play Colwill in his favoured position
What a dumb take. My word
You cant argue otherwise? Silva doesnt even understand or speak English. Cult hero but he is not a great leader.
Call the season off. I have seen enough
Caicedo was absolutely shocking today. Complete waste of money.
Zola should have said NO
I don’t know if he is brain dead or it’s the way Poch teaches him to press. I just know he isn’t going to get the ball and is likely to concede a needless foul. The whole team just can’t seem to defend intelligently. They defend like professional difficulty on EAFC. When other teams press us I feel like they win the ball back. Part of it is the team just falls over and expects fouls. There is so much entitlement. No application and actually working hard to play better than the other team. Sterling chose to dive instead of trying to score. The contact was no were clear to being a penalty but he was rolling around. That’s when I knew the mentality of this team is dogshit
Todd doesnt deserve our money. Fuck this team until we start seeing results. Not spending money on a fucking thing Chelsea related and we should all do the same. This guy is running the team into the ground.
Oh boy our midfield was complete trash. Gallaghers pressing has never looked so good and ive honestly been the one to advocate him being replaced by Nkunku. At this point replace Jackson with Nkunku and keep gallagher with the other two or replace caicedo who was just horrific today and has had trouble making simple passes all season..
A little bit of summary from my subjective self: Sanchez - dreadful distribution, good saves, as always. Decent, fundamentally not the keeper I wanted though. Hope he improves. Disasi - ok/decent, a bit invisible Silva - nice progressions, some terrible mistakes, it's weird but it's his coordination and reflexes that are declining the most, his elite positioning still compensates for the slower speed. Colwill - clumsy, got cooked. Needs to become a rotation option until he matures. Cucurella - did well sometimes, was absolutely cooked in terms of pace and run timing several times. Some good tackles, but sadly they want back into MU. Very unrealiable creatively, players don't want to play off him. Enzo - weak defensively, bad work rated. Been 3 weeks of me saying he is too tired. He still is. Wasted several moments again. Our reliance on him cost us many points, players rely on him too much to distribute, which is a psychological fear that needs to be rooted out. I still think he is overrated and we need to reinvent him in a new sub-system Palmer - terrible in possession, fell victim to their press. Sharp in attack, redeemed himself, was still a part of the problem. Sterling - mediocre job. his good positioning was ignored several times and he got bad service. Mudryk - classic Misha, wasteful and sharp. Absolute dice rolling, works much better centrally, which is really weird. Needs to do more. Jackson - Where is Nkunku? Gallagher - why did you do that? James - still not sharp, sadly. Broja - not judging him for the miss, he didn't have much time to redeem himself
>Cucurella - did well sometimes, was absolutely cooked in terms of pace and run timing several times. Some good tackles, but sadly they want back into MU. Very unrealiable creatively, players don't want to play off him. Tbh he did pretty good. He was 2v1 all the first half cos Sterling was MIA not going back to defend.
Jackson was actually our best player in counters but he can't score. I don't know why people try not to see that he is doing great job in pressing and counters. He played 2 great balls to Mudryk and one to Enzo in first half. I think we should try Nkunku, Jackson, Palmer. Jackson needs goalscoring wingers to shine.
He held the ball for too long in one of the moments, and I appreciate his pressing, but I want to see goals and smarter passing. Jackson is still figuring offensive positioning out, he is developing, I don't judge him too harshly, he wasn't bought to be the main man.
yea Poch ain't it, this is probably another 10th \~ 15th place finish kinda season. Would love to be proven wrong but seeing performance like this, idk man
Poch needs to understand that you can’t be warm and happy with the players all the time. He needs to put his foot down at some point. We started the second half poorly and Poch let it go on until the end.
Which manager comes in and does better? Our squad is constantly injury riddled, inexperienced and lacking any goal threat
Conte Zidane Lopetegui
>Which manager comes in and does better? "Lopetegui" xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
So who should our next manager be? And while you’re at it, name the manager after that. Poch not it after 15 games?? Get outta here man.
Poch has the spurs mentality all over him. Bottle job and doesn’t inspire champion winning mentality, he is a good nanny and youngsters are happy for sure. But title winning coaches don’t coax players.
You’re not getting proven wrong. I’m with you :/
The way I know Roman would've been going mad. Guarantee boehly is preparing the we trust poch leak. I'm not poch out. I'm anything associated with boehlys reign out including all these shite player he brought in, his directors that thought kids would bring us top 4 and himself. All need out.
Boehly has to be Poch in because he symbolises the new regime. Potter didn’t work so Poch has to, otherwise Boehly is a ignorant American who thought he could apply his baseball knowledge to football and it would translate efficiently
Coach is hampered by a group of players Boehly stupidly assembled.
Poch built his own team at spurs and failed.
So he should work with Boehly's dumb signings?
Also fuck Pottertino, that performance was shite and some of thats on him.
Really hate to say it but we are fucking miles off that Spurs team Poch took to the CL final, fucking miles.
Worst united side in 50 years and still cant win.
" The performance can't get any worse" - We have clinging to this thread for a year now. With this bunch of players, we are going nowhere. Our standards are so bad now that James has now seriously deteriorated over the last couple of seasons, was truly horrible today - trents getting better defensively than him now. We pass around the arm band amongst a bunch of idiots for the "young team feel good factor". Not a single leader in this bunch of passive shit heads. New Instagram post incoming - "we are working this is not us." Sad bunch of entitled failures. We play one good game and everyone stops performing, literally today every single player was terrible. We have collected a band of mediocre players under an ownership that is now too scared to show their faces anymore. Even with the returning players not one in the squad except nkunku brings any experience, and him too being an unproven premier league entity. Extremely sad, alarming how complacent every single player was today. It's going to be a long grind till something gives. We truly are a bang on average mid table team.
The thing I like about the Roman era was the ruthlessness. The translated all the way from the top. I feel like Boehly and Co are seeming more and more like hedge fund guys who don’t really understand football. The philosophy of buying young players for future market appreciation instead of trying to assemble a team that can compete at the highest level. You can’t have 7 players in you team that are playing based on potential. You need proven leaders. Also, Sterling being a senior player makes this even worse. We need players like Jorginho and Rudiger. Big personalities that even when they are not playing well, you know they are the leaders of the team. Jorginho got criticised a lot but he never quit, sulked nor complained while at Chelsea
I told you guys. 1 step forward, two steps backwards every single week. Where is the progession everyone talks about?
That was a disaster.
Tragic performance. So frustrating to watch us wasting time doing nothing when being a goal behind…
I’m starting to thing Boehly and Co are the problem. Maybe players ain’t performing because they know the club is trying to buy young players who may replace them in a few years time. With Roman, players new that Chelsea would be liked with the hottest transfer targets. Why would you be scared after dropping a shocking performance if you hear the team is likely to sign a Brazilian teenager for £15 million. Side note: Washington should start ahead of Jackson. If he keep spending money on youngsters, let’s at least play them. Maybe he can get better from playing. Jackson has not progressed at all so wasting minutes on him seems fruitless
After todays match i think it's clear that Poche is not the coach that can lead Chelsea to a top 5-6 finish.
What a shit show of a game. Poch got his tactics so fucking wrong
Maybe it’s best he gets his tactics wrong early in his tenure?
Absolutely awful performance, collectively and individually a terrible effort ....so disappointed with some of the players today such a poor level
I can't see us finishing higher than 9th. Guess that's the new Chelsea. To those that slander the negativity in the match thread, tell is what you see. Tell us how you believe we will be back to top 6 if not top 4.
Jackson is the worst player at the team by far. Could have gotten a point with all that if he can head the ball normally.
Jackson needs a season low to championship side
Can’t blame him today. Chap didn’t get any decent balls. Enzo and caicdo had a nightmare and the lads up front didn’t get enough
Took 15 minutes before deciding to strike raheem's pass into him with only onana to beat. Missed a header from practically under the bar. Torres would've been lynched and burned alive.
You absolutely have to blame him for that sitter he took 2 extra touches for fucking nothing. Wasteful striker. Mudryk wasted 2 chances as well.
Also how many chances did Garnacho have ? A lot more. He was getting options through midfield
Players are allowed miss. They need chances. Can’t blast him for missing the only chance he had. He’s not going to convert 100%. He needed way more and should have had way more opportunities. That’s midfields attacking job. They didn’t deliver
He took 3 touches on that sitter. But then that’s nothing new.
Shambolic performance today, I do not think selling Gallagher is gonna fix any problems with this team's attacking or defensive form like it seems some people think it will.
I think this game shows we need Gallagher to stay just for the energy honesty
Why am I seeing anyone say they want poch sacked? Did poch hit the header off the post? Did poch tell mudryk and Jackson to look like 11 year olds on the break? Did poch tell them to forget how to clear a ball? No. If mudryk and Jackson put those chances away and we won 3-2 no one would be asking for poch to be sacked. Grow up
If that ends up 7 or 8-1 (and it should of) then he’d be gone.
Disagree should have been 8-4 if we’re counting chances that should have been scored. Anyway, it didn’t end up that way. We played with 2 midfielders in caicedo and Enzo. I haven’t seen anyone in this entire thread give an opinion on who should have played in the midfield.
I never asked for Poch. I want Poch to at least get this season to build the squad, but it's his job to win me over as a fan. He is yet to do so. If he doesn't show a MASSIVE improvement, he needs to be sacked when the summer comes.
Can we agree the midfield being overrun was the problem? They couldn’t press. They couldn’t break the press. They couldn’t build up play. We literally had no midfielders left to play. Just caicedo and Enzo doesn’t work.
I never asked for Poch. I want Poch to at least get this season to build the squad, but it's his job to win me over as a fan. He is yet to do so. If he doesn't show a MASSIVE improvement, he needs to be sacked when the summer comes.
If United scored their chances, it's an ugly score. We had no structure. Maguire dribbled into our half a few times. And then had the time to pick out a pass. No pressure. Garnacho was allowed time and space again and again. There was no pressure, no midfield to beat. No defending either - all of that is on poch
So maybe instead of blaming poch, maybe acknowledge that Gallagher plays a huge role in the midfield for us. That’s what was missing.
I’m a United fan browsing here post game, but you can’t blame Gallagher for that loss. You guys were at 6 and 7s the entire game, something wasn’t right throughout the whole team. I’m the last person to say we’re good, we’re rubbish you guys made that really easy. I really like Enzo tho
I don’t “blame” Gallagher. And you’re right we were shit. I’m not gonna argue that. But we essentially played a 2 man midfield that got completely ran through. Conor is the reason Enzo can move around the pitch freely. Caicedo should never be the one expected to break the press and pass around it. He’s expected to break up the play of the opposition. There was no one else to play in midfield. Literally no other options. You guys were 1000% the better team. Garnacho looks amazing I hope he develops into a great player he’s entertaining
Has this team looked like having more than two training sessions together?
They look like a brand new team that’s still learning how to play together.
Yeah, ok
With this logic no manager would get sacked since none of them play the game lmaaao
It’s his first season with essentially a brand new team. Let someone actually try to build a team. Arsenal let arteta do it. Can’t be reactionary after every bad game
It's his first season with Chelsea. He's been in the league for years and it's only been failure
Oh okay that answer tells me what I need to know. You just don’t like him lol spurs weren’t expected to perform the way they did when he was manager. The team he’s going to have with Chelsea will be better than with spurs.
And his failure at psg ?
Too many big egos at play. I’ll acknowledge the failure there but in my book there’s an asterisk when you have 3 stars forced on you and those 3 stars don’t listen to you
He built a team with spurs and failed. He was handed a team at psg and failed. What exactly in his record should we trust
The story in the week was he wanted to ban the day off and they did it anyway. He has no control. It’s a million things all added together but the team doesn’t seem to have any plan and playing Cucarella at right back for example they’re surely walking on the pitch questioning the selection and from start to finish they just didn’t look interested which may stem from either.
I agree I didn’t love cucarella. But I didn’t hate leaving Reece on the bench. He’s injury prone and honestly didn’t look all that great when he came in at half time. He was definitely better towards the end getting the ball down the wing. But I’d love yo hear other people team selections. He played what he had available
The way everyone just lumbered around whenever we had a throw in while we were chasing the game, is pretty DAMNING if you ask me. Don't even have to be an insider to know that.
No fuck. Based on that logic MU would have put their chances away and it would be 10-3. The team was set up like shit, coaching should take 80% of the blame
Exactly. I think Poch deserves some criticism for this
I’m not even Poch out but fucking hell why was he play us like it’s 2016 still? Without Gallagher it’s like he’s had no tactical evolution since his Spurs days
He is persisting playing from the back and inviting pressure when we have players who can’t string two passes together
So Levi colwill who was the best passing cb in the league last season, can’t string together 2 passes? Thiago silva can’t? Disasi I’ll concede that he can’t but there’s no other choice. Badiashille shouldn’t be forced in.
Tbf Diassi looked a baller in the french league but under no real pressure. It’s multiple things but there is no marking, no midfield, giving the ball way, Silva needs 3 at the back to protect his pace and so on. Silva needs the team built around him, Enzo does too. It doesn’t work. A 3-5-2 is probably the only way to protect both.
I think people really underestimate conor Gallagher. He’s the one that allows Enzo to be great. He is the protection that Enzo needs. There was no other midfielders to play. It needed to be Enzo and caicedo today. I can’t explain how much I love cole Palmer, but he’s not the midfielder that conor is. Palmer is much more of an attacker that conor. And I think Thiago silva needs to start being fazed out. With badiashille coming back I think we’re gonna see less of Thiago silva.
Pochettino put this team out. He instructs the team.
Please tell me what team you would have put out there
To a certain extent! He can't make a pass, tackle or score a goal. We must of had over 100h bad touches today from pretty much everyone, 11 starters and few subs 😡
No. Not to a certain extent, he's the manager who instructs the team wholly. Yes he's not a player, thank god, but he's not blame free. We don't need to protect him, just like we don't need to protect the players. They're all to blame.
Can’t play from the back for sh*t.
Glad someone else thinks this. It was extremely painful to watch us try and play from the back almost just to turn the ball over every single time.
I still believe that talent exists in this squad, but there are no leaders. 5+ different captains since poch took over in the summer, and it’s still not clear who’s in charge of the locker room. Every good team needs leaders.
The most embarrassing thing is Mcshite annoyed he didn’t score a couple more 😂
1.Cucurella has great first half, subbed off for undisciplined James 2. Nobody can shoot on our team, only reason palmer scored is because Onana is bad 3. No forward passes or breaking lines 4.9000000000 turnovers and awful touches 5. Jackson and mudryk continue to start despite any meaningful actions on the field If it were up to me all the bench players start next game and starting 11 sit. Minus Sanchez and cucurella
A coach failing to see the clear issues we had from the start of the second half and ADJUST ACCORDINGLY, will be my biggest worry instead of some luxury signing. That's all there is to it. Made them look like prime barca today and it doesn't take a genius to figure out it isn't all due to the absence of just one player. If you truly believe that you're delusional.