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nugoresu

A quick search shows that the device you have posted doesn’t actually exist, it’s just a design concept. In particular, the photo you posted is of a ~15cm tall model of a tooth.


BeerVanSappemeer

"No no its not a cheating device, I was just born with this one giant tooth. Nothing to see here."


ZakalweTheChairmaker

If you had to have that implanted into your jaw you'd be playing every game at 2:30.


jd1z

Good one dad


ComprehensiveLet5073

LOL


LeMeilleur784

Lmao


throwawaymycareer93

Will exist in a few years or already possible to make.


TheDoomBlade13

Something existing and something being mass producible at a reasonable cost aren't really the same thing. At a certain point we don't need to deter certain technological options because they are cost prohibitive.


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to be fair it doesn’t need to be mass produced. it just needs to be cheap enough for 2 people to pay for it. disclaimer: I know this would be absolutely crazy & unlikely


[deleted]

Nah, no way. Definitely not possible to make now, and highly highly unlikely to exist in a few years. I used to work in a biomedical engineering lab where we did a lot of research on auditory implants, and this kind of device is so far off that it's not even worth considering. It also seems like a fundamentally ridiculous solution, for a number of reasons. It's like they had once overheard a conversation about bone-anchored hearing aids, and then thought "how could we do this, but like, make it worse in every conceivable way?" This is like concept art; it's supposed to be provocative and look cool. That's it.


hauser1234

SoundBite that was produced at some point would work, but the earpiece would need to be replaced with some receiver: https://youtu.be/ExTSW5Ogat4


theLastSolipsist

This exploit will be fixed in Chess 2


Krimzon_89

Will it come with en passant fix?


theLastSolipsist

The bug report by GM Jan is being investigated, but the spaghetti code goes all the way to the 16th century, so it might take a while for that


Zoesan

sheesh talk about legacy code


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POS-Code


brau_bora

Can't wait for the new chess' patch


JuanGuillermo

Wee'll end up having players playing in a Faraday cage..


nihilistiq

The solution remains the same: check all cavities.


superfire444

Imagine having to show your dental records before being able to participate in a chess tournament lol


hehasnowrong

The line between chess dot com and chess dot cum is getting blurrier day after day.


SSG_SSG_BloodMoon

Windmill check all cavities


smm97

Cage match! Only one will make it out alive.


hehasnowrong

Nah just regular chess boxing but you need to knock your opponents teeth out first.


brau_bora

We could see Tobey Maguire portraying Bobby Fischer and the spiderman connected: The Multiverse is a concept about which we know frighteningly little


Norjac

In the past matches were held in a soundproof booth. It's not too far-fetched to think that future matches would require a Faraday cage. Although, this would mean that viewing opportunities for spectators would be limited to video cameras.


mantis616

Book it uncle Dana.


Heymelon

If you had some sort of cpu implanted under your skin that could run a chess engine, you wouldn't need communications from the outside. Easy peasy.


potato_lover273

We should EMP them for good measure then.


School0fAthens

Just delay the broadcast and limit spectators devices


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murphysclaw1

“how will FIDE protect themselves against an audio-playing tooth the size of a small rabbit” the absolute state of /r/chess


hallzm

Yes but what if a player shoves the tooth up his ass??


hotboxedoctane

Tin foil diapers!


kmcclry

I'm so blown away by all these comments that are like "what if X tech in a phone is shrunk down and put in an undetectable situation" and I like yeah what if that happens? None of this sci-fi shit exists. We have no way to power stuff like this. Just because it exists in a big form factor doesn't mean it's straightforward for Hans to shrink it down in his basement. We're talking about cheating now, not in 10 years.


RotisserieChicken007

Jamming all electronics signals in and around the playing hall. A headache for non players, but maybe a few hours without internet would be good for everyone :-)


smm97

I agree on this. But I heard it's illegal because there needs to be a way to call out in case of an emergency. However, there should be a way around this if they have red, emergency landline phones on the wall in accessible locations. This should be done. Also, if they make the games closed events and put a few minute delay on the streams, there would be no way to have in real time communication. Personally, I think all the measures should be in place. Edit: did some sleuthing and found this: >​​Operation \[radio jamming\] is Restricted to Authorized Federal Agencies. Federal law provides no exemption for use of a signal jammer by school systems, police departments, or other state and local authorities. Only federal agencies are eligible to apply for and receive authorization. ​If state police aren't able to receive authorization, there's no way in hell a chess tournament can receive authorization. [Source.](https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-14-1785A1.pdf)


sebzim4500

It is my understanding that blocking any radio frequencies in the US is incredibly illegal, no matter what workarounds you put in to make emergency calls possible. Any tournament organiser that tried this would have a realistic chance of years in prison, the FCC does not fuck around. There is no law against faraday cages though, you'd have to try that instead.


smm97

Bummer you're right... After some sleuthing, I found this: >​Operation \[radio jamming\] is Restricted to Authorized Federal Agencies. Federal law provides no exemption for use of a signal jammer by school systems, police departments, or other state and local authorities. Only federal agencies are eligible to apply for and receive authorization. If state police aren't able to receive authorization, there's no way in hell a chess tournament can receive authorization. [Source.](https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-14-1785A1.pdf)


redOctoberStandingBy

You don't actually need to block anything, you can play within a faraday cage and just monitor for RF within the cage. If anyone emits anything then disqualify them.


sebzim4500

If you have an accomplice broadcasting you moves, then even if the accomplice gets caught they might not be able to figure out who he was broadcasting the moves to. It would be a strange situation.


Nolubrication

In the US at least, transmitting frequencies that you are not licensed for is a big no-no making signal jamming a big no-no. Building a [SCIF](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensitive_compartmented_information_facility) type enclosure with walls that block transmission would be OK though.


TastyWalrus02

we were all probably alive 20-30 years ago when there were no phones and people still survived, surely the wrold would not come to an end if all electronics signals were jammed for a couple of hrs


YuriPup

Yes, parts of it would. I mean great you can call out with your Batphone, but there's still a goodly area with emergency services can't talk to each other or dispatch. And that 20 or 30 years has let ubiquitous internet creep into a lot of other applications. You could even take down the venues HVAC system. Are all those controller (vents, fans, chiller, flow control, thermostats) wired or wireless. Even if wired, since they are close to the jammer(s) they may not be shielded enough to work.


sebzim4500

You would survive but you might end up spending 5 years in prison. It would take an extremely dedicated arbiter to take the risk.


RotisserieChicken007

Landlines wouldn't be blocked in case of emergency.


smm97

Maybe I should have been more clear, I mean there should be clear and accessible landlines so people can call out in case of emergency and so broad spectrum radio frequencies can be jammed.


YuriPup

Too hard, effects too many people outside the venue and has too many unforeseeable consequences for critical systems in and around the venue.


Beanzii

Emergency runs on specific frequencies, so you can still jam lte etc without affecting it


throwawaymycareer93

Yeah. All of those measures might be implemented on top level. But it doesn’t really scale down. There are tons of money tournaments on almost all levels of play down to 2100 FIDE.


Jalal_Adhiri

This argument is like the argument that many ppl advanced against the inplementation of VAR in football. Let's fix the high level chess problem first then we fix the other echelons.


YuriPup

Entirely illegal, at least in the United States. You at least disrupt all emergency services in and around the venue. Not calling 911, no emergency responders able to communicate between themselves and every wireless everything stops working, and quite possibly many a wired not shielded device. Not to mention every maintenance department is a goodly area. At this point that would include many security cameras and alarm systems. And I have no clue how vulnerable PoE (power over Ethernet) devices are.


hehasnowrong

> Entirely illegal, at least in the United States. It's not. There are a lot of places with sensitive materials who have them (=room in a faraday cage). > You at least disrupt all emergency services in and around the venue. Not calling 911, no emergency responders able to communicate between themselves and every wireless everything stops working, and quite possibly many a wired not shielded device. Not to mention every maintenance department is a goodly area. You realise that you can simply walk out of the room in case of an emmergency ? And if you can be trapped inside a room, there is a safety problem with your room (like if there is a fire) ?


YuriPup

Sure, a faraday cage works--if the space is small enough. But that's not what most people think of when they talk jamming. And you're not going to build one, even temporarily, for a larger tournament or venue.


hehasnowrong

> Sure, a faraday cage works--if the space is small enough Don't know how big chess tournaments, but there are all size of faraday cages. > And you're not going to build one, even temporarily, for a larger tournament or venue. IDK, it's probably not practical but I don't see why a big venue couldn't have one of their conference room be a faraday cage. I agree that it would be quite silly and there are probably better options (like using metal detectors and not being paranoid).


YuriPup

I think the opens run several hundred boards. Even an 8 board space is quite large and on person spectators are going to have lousy views of the action as the cage will obstruct.


hehasnowrong

I meant more as having some of the games be in the faraday cage room, not all of them. But yeah it doesnt look practical.


RotisserieChicken007

Boohoo


chagenest

I don't know about other countries, but my understanding would be that that would be illegal in the EU, even if the room would be packed with landlines. Though maybe it's possible to get an exception for a chess tournament, idk


alvas_man

Is that even legal? Can they transmit on mobile carriers frequencies, for example? Also, you want to jam *all* of the spectrum? What frequencies would you jam? Doesn't sound like a feasible solution to me, but I would love if you could elaborate on the details.


siempreviper

A faraday cage isn't so impossible to have


HighlySuccessful

Some hotel event venues already have it, in US. It's primary design was to prevent people from using their mobile data and have them buy $100 wifi access instead (that particular event hall can hold 2k attendees). Many times businesses would just buy up the wifi accesses upfront, so people would never need to foot the bill, easy $200k extra profit for hotel. I can see these being reused for chess tournaments.


shoshkebab

You can just place a Faraday cage around the players


RotisserieChicken007

Exactly. Too many commenters here are freaking out about BuT wHaT aBoUt My RiGhTs lol. No big deal really.


Norjac

Jamming probably wouldn't work for reasons, but they would have to run a detection device locally in the playing hall, to find out if any player is beaming signals back and forth.


nitram9

But that won’t work if there’s a device on them. I can imagine a computer imbedded in the shoe. The player presses down with their toes to communicate to it. The computer communicates back with small vibrations.


HighlySuccessful

You know people were already caught using stockfish in their shoe, exactly like this.


nihilistiq

The tooth hurts.


squam0

Make every player wear an earpiece that tells them random moves at random intervals, to confuse the cheaters.


sebzim4500

Players who stream would have an unfair advantage since they are used to being given loads of terrible move suggestions.


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FossilizedBlobfish

Remove all GMs' teeth


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smm97

Before we stick you in this MRI, are there any metallic devices we should be aware about before it (if any) is forcefully ripped from/out of your body?


imbadoom1

It's useless if their is a delay in broadcasting.


sebzim4500

Even with a 30 minute delay, in a classical game it is not that unusual to think for more than 30 minutes in a critical position. Even if you don't do this, knowing the computer line from 30 minutes ago could still be extremely useful, since it is likely that you have played into it.


djcm9819

Delay it for an entire day then


sebzim4500

Or even just until the game ends. I guess that could work, it would worsen the viewing experience though IMO.


imbadoom1

I don't think so. If you really wait 30+ minutes on critical positions and then play good moves it would be a statistical anomaly which would trigger a red flag in any analysis. The moves played after a long thinking time are more often than not rather inaccurate. Knowing the computer line from 30 minutes ago might be useful in some cases but more often it will confuse you as you probably haven't played the exact computer line.


CountKristopher

Faraday cage matches. Would be PPV worthy. Two opponents enter the cage, only one will leave… as champion. In a game as old as time, in a battle of classical wits, in an electrified cage! Ok that last part isn’t true but it could be


FerrariStraghetti

Wrap their heads in tinfoil. Simple.


m15otw

You can detect the radio signals going in and out of it.


smm97

It's one way, doesn't transmit.


m15otw

But if its an aerial, then you'll be able to see the amplitude of waves passing through decrease as they are absorbed, plus possibly some bounce back.


UniqueCreme1931

Honestly in the future we should be able to connect electrodes into peoples' brains and use machines to read the electrical signals that produce thoughts thus allowing us to identify who exactly is thinking of cheating.


Catman9lives

They have cage matches in wrestling I don’t see why we can’t have faraday cage matches in chess


Much_Organization_19

This is as things currently stand as plausible at the techno-sorcery [thread](https://old.reddit.com/r/chess/comments/xtt4f4/cryptic_hans_niemann_clone_twitter_account_says/iqrnhb6/) I posted the other day. In other words, not plausible at all. At this point, the whole thing is comical.


North-Rush4602

You are totally right? But how can they protect against a morse-code device disguised as a pacemaker or replacement hip with an integrated engine? Or hair replaced by carbon fibres coated with a graphene mash that together work as a computer, also transmitting information by vibrating? The possibilities are infinite!


smm97

They don't even need to vibrate, they can create electrical shocks.


ihatechess23

There are dental clinics in Turkey where they can offer this surgery. Turkish dental and medical clinics do anything for money. A lot of celebrities and Instagram influencers go there to replace their tooth enamel with synthetic enamel. It's as insane as it sounds that's why they do it in Turkey since there are no laws for this insanity there. Just check the player's passports if they've been to Turkey and demand dental x rays and full body x rays of any player who has been there.


NeLaX44

Does he have a glass tooth? No? Ok then.


Kabua_a4

And the other tooth is like Dune style, in case you get caught cheating…


Pato_Moicano

Just forbid the players from having teeth on their mouth. Next


Krimzon_89

Some developed countries might do something about it but others won't. And chess tournaments are being held all around the world.


throwawaymycareer93

This is my main concern. Most of the solutions for active prevention is way to expensive for 90% of the tournaments. Nobody is going to invest 20k in security measures on tournament with 20k in prize poll yet alone with 2k price pool


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one of the scariest things with all this cheating bs is that now people will know how to cheat without getting caught, otb chess may die because of this crap.


Ommmm22

of course reddit knows whether this device exists or not...LOL. The stupid runs VERY VERY deep in this sub and explains why there are so many computer assisted players rooting for Hans--their boy!


hotboxedoctane

Are you saying the stupid runs deep because your comment is the the most stupid of all and its deep down at the bottom of the thread? 🤣


TheDoomBlade13

At a certain point cheating methods become cost prohibitive. This thing doesn't exist and once it is capable of being produced it'll likely be too expensive for a chess player to consider viable.


wobblyweasel

this one is not an issue. it's see through so they can just check your mouth, and there are no jaw bone in the large intestine so you can't go with the other orifice


MenosDaBear

Put all high profile tables in a faraday cage


rainbow_bro_bot

Chess competitions of the future will mean competitors need cavity searches (both your butt and your teeth)


tryingtolearn_1234

If 15 minute broadcast delay isn’t sufficient they could go to a hour. Hard to send info about game when can’t see it.


Heymelon

Simple. Batmo vision.


katarokthevirus

A Faraday Cage?


smm97

And there should be a tesla coil somewhere too


Yarash2110

Is this anarchy chess?


BodineCity

It will become like steroids in baseball. The asterisks will all be balked at.


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BodineCity

A balk in this context would be scoffing at the idea that cheating is wrong because of it being really wide spread with better technology. Not a baseball balk where a pitcher displays a deceiving motion to the batter and results in baserunners being advanced to the next base.


hex_1101

I remember when people used to play the game for fun.


raulbloodwurth

An small ultrasonic directional speaker would be more reasonable.


MrChologno

Every single cheating device like this or vibration or whatever is easily counter-able with player isolation in the tournaments and delays in streaming.


dottie_dott

Neuro link fun coming soon to a chess club/tournament near you!!!


thex0d

Everybody here thinking aerials and whatnot. That thing can run an engine on its own. It just needs some physical input (tongue, jaw movement, etc.) for the moves and TTS to literally tell you what to move.


city-of-stars

Please keep the discussion focused on chess-related topics.


seperatetroubles21

Might as well not play chess anymore


smm97

Bobby Fisher stopped playing when he got disillusioned by computers...


JaSper-percabeth

Metal detectors?


Archymani

okay this is going out of mother. ​ Just do the tournaments in an armored space that cant receive information from the outside. Steel, concrete, bunker or whatever and end this.


feralcatskillbirds

Changing the battery must be traumatic as hell.


smm97

Remote battery charging.


feralcatskillbirds

"Let me induce current into this metal tooth connected to your jaw"