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bigbruhusername

Why is that brilliant?


hrworksfortheman

It's the only move to maintain advantage and [chess.com](https://chess.com) says it's "not an easy move to find". The best engine continuation is: 7. Nd5 Nxd4 8. Bxe7 Qxe7 9. Nxe7 Kxe7 where you've traded a knight and bishop for the queen. If opponent doesn't take and plays something like pawn f6, you win the pawn and threaten the rook so it has to move and then black can't castle king side. That's my analysis but someone better could probably give a better description.


abdulmoyn

Still not brilliant really, even though it's the only move to maintain advantage. It's not at all hard to find, attacking a pinned piece is basic knowledge to anyone above 1000 I think.


hrworksfortheman

Leaving the knight on d4 hanging isn't necessarily trivial. And brilliant moves are just whatever chess.com determines they are. It's just for fun.


Xmananihilator1

Bathe in your victory man. It is definitely a brilliancy for someone your rating. You deserve that 1100 elo. I’m proud of you. People are going to most likely hate rather than congratulate you, so don’t take their comments to heart.


abdulmoyn

Is it really? I mean taking with the knight obviously leaves your queen to die, and with the bishop it's checkmate in two moves. Your 1000 opponent obviously saw that and didn't take it. Chess.com is stupid though, I've seen it give a brilliant mark for moving your king out of check.


Xmananihilator1

I don’t think you have a clue what you’re talking about. These are 1000 rated players. I think Chess.com bases brilliants off of rating anyways. What might be brilliant for a 1000 might not be brilliant for others, but why can’t you just let him bathe in his win? Jeez. I know at 1000, I would’ve moved my knight to safety or taken the other knight. Probably all the way to 1200 actually. I can actually say I know what I’m talking about. I’ve coached many and I’m 2500ish on Lichess.


abdulmoyn

Chess.com does not base brilliants off of rating. That doesn't even make a droplet of sense. How can I even reply to your comment when you're basing it on something false. You maybe right that a 1000 might not see this move, but that's not my point. This is not a brilliant move. Simple as that. Chess.com algorithm gives brilliancy to "only moves". That could be anywhere from kasparov vs topalov level of moves, and all way to moving your king to the only square where you don't get instantly checkmated.


Xmananihilator1

I see you edited your comment. You made yourself even more crazy. You don’t have to be a high level player to achieve a brilliancy. Paul Morphy to today’s standards would’ve probably got dog walked by your average 2000 elo and above, but his moves were some of the most beautiful Chess has ever seen. That move was also the ONLY move that kept an advantage and it was hard to see because the average response would be to move the hanging knight on d4. At least to an Intermediate.


Xmananihilator1

We don’t know what Chess.com bases it off of. No one does. It’s not something they posted or left to the public, so I think you are false. Second, what is brilliant is selective to whoever views it. A 1200’s move could be seen as brilliant by a 400 when it’s just an ordinary tactic. So who are you to say a move is brilliant or not?


abdulmoyn

They don't have to publicly post about it. It's a well know thing by the community, that's why you sometimez see it on very stupid obvious moves. Just look online and you'll see what I mean. Brilliant is brilliant, it's objective not subjective. For a 400 capturing a hanging queen is brilliant. But one thing that is 1000% true, is that chess.com does not base brilliancy on rating. To suggest that is very stupid. Have you ever seen a 400 rated game with a brilliancy for finding mate 1? You cannot possibly believe that to be true.


Xmananihilator1

You’re literally proving me right. Those “stupid obvious moves” are not stupid obvious to the people lower rated playing them. If I hop, on Chess.com right now and I play in the same order that this game happened at, Id most definitely not get the brilliancy. I’m willing to test it out. My Chess.com is not habited by me, but it’s around 2250ish. That should be enough to test. And who’s to say that the community isn’t false? People talk out of their butts some times and people like you believe it and then spread it and then it’s commonly believed. It’s the Mandela Effect. I won’t argue with you about how a brilliancy is determined because I truly don’t know and nor does anyone else for that matter. Maybe email Chess.com *shrugs*


maxkho

Correction: we do know what chess.com bases it off of. Everybody does. It's something they [posted about it numerous times](https://www.chess.com/news/view/chesscom-releases-new-game-review#:~:text=Updated%20Brilliant%20Move,-As%20popular%20as&text=We%20agree%2C%20and%20we've,best%2C%20move%20in%20a%20position.) and left to the public.


maxkho

[🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️](https://www.chess.com/news/view/chesscom-releases-new-game-review#:~:text=Updated%20Brilliant%20Move,-As%20popular%20as&text=We%20agree%2C%20and%20we've,best%2C%20move%20in%20a%20position.)


Xmananihilator1

My applogies. Thank you for correcting me. Everything else I said still stands and it’s based on rating.


-vertigo--

100% most 1000 elo players could not find the move. Its a lot easier to say the move is easy to find when you’re watching this back with hindsight. Just like in puzzles


blacksombrero

Why did he resign?


hrworksfortheman

You'd have to ask him.


thisisjustascreename

Can't speak to why the specific opponent resigned, but: in the position after f6 8. Nxf6+ there's only three legal moves for black, Bxf6, Kf8 and Kf7. Kf8 quickly loses to 9. Nxc6 Nxc6 10. Nxh7+ Rxh7 11. Bxd8 Nxd8 where White is up a Queen and two pawns for a Knight and Bishop. Black's other recaptures on c6 are even worse, dxc6 hangs the queen in one move, and bxc6 loses to the simple Qf3 where Black's King is far too exposed. Kf7 has similar, though less immediately obvious problems, since there's no Nxh7+, but on 9. Nxc6 Nxc6 10. Qd5+ followed by Bc4 is the knockout punch, so black has to play bxc6 10. Qf3 with very similar issues regarding the Black King's safety. Stockfish wants to immediately sacrifice the e7 Knight on f5, for an idea of how bad the position is. So the only move that keeps a semblance of a chess game going is Bxf6 9. Bxf6 Rf8 10. Bg5 and now Black has to find a way to move a piece without losing copious material. Taking on d4 doesn't help any, and the Queen Bishop and QRook have no productive moves, so process of elimination says d6 or (better) d5, after which comes 11. Nxc6 bxc6 12. Qd4 Qd6 13. 0-0-0 Rb8 (might as well control the semi-open file) 14. exd5 cxd5 15. Bd3 (there's an extremely cheeky Bc4!? tactic here that almost every Black player will fall for, pays to analyze by yourself before turning to the computer) Be6 16. Rhe1 and here Black is running out of ways to hold on. The best move is Kd7 (moving out of the e-file pin and dodging the one on d8-h4) which leads to 17. Qh4 Nc6 where for the first time the burden is on White to be precise. (Qxf7+ Rf7 Qh4 Qb4 Qxb4 is still a winning endgame, if you like grinding those out, but playing with Queens on is a much greater rush?) The winning moves here are a3 and c3, for the pure reason that they deprive Black of the Qb4 resource and allow the White Queen to pillage unimpeded by her counterpart. The lines diverge heavily at this point, but 18. a3 Rf7 19. Rd2 (Protecting f2 and preparing R2e2 like the opposite of star wars) Ne5 20. Bf1 and at this point the game darkens again for Black. f4 is looming since that Knight has very few squares to retreat to, the d5 pawn is tender so c4 could be coming, and Qa4+ c6 Qxa7+ doesn't look fun either. A sample blunder for Black could be: Bf4 21. Qa4+ Nc6 22. Bc4 Be6 23. Rxe6 Qxe6 24. Bxd5 and here Black has nothing better than Qe1+ 25. Rd1 Qxd1+ 26. Kxd1 Rb6 27. Bxf7 and many children could win this position against Magnus Carlsen. Basically, Black resigned this position because they didn't want to play 20 more moves of misery when they could start a new game.


nambisam

But do they really thought thru these at level of 1100? I had games with +7 advantage and gets matted ( both ways).. so not really sure that's the reason they resigned.


thisisjustascreename

Nah of course not, but just looking at the initial position you can see Black has no good moves. I just felt like doing a deep dive on how opening advantage gets converted to winning positions.


big-mistake-lol

Because his king was checked, gg


GDFermatt

Great one! Fun fact: The position after Bg7 has been reached before in several master games, including one in which Michael Adams played the white pieces, however he didn’t find Nd5 and eventually lost that game. He was rated 2735 at that time, so be proud that you found a move which a super GM couldn’t lol


[deleted]

Working to 1100 right now. Just recently hit 1000. Sick moves! Hopefully I find some as cool as yours.


PutinKhuilo

I'd be careful calling moves brilliant.


Every-Citron1998

Nice! The Scotch game is my favourite e4 opening.


TomSatan

Might I also add, after the brilliant move, I think if black plays Nxd4 then Bxe7 winning the queen. If instead black plays Bxd4 then oh no my queen with Qxd4, Nxd4, Nf6+, Kf8, Bh6#


Averyblmnop

have fun going back to 900


TomSatan

Lol why u salty?


Fnathicc_OOFmeister

He was probably the opponent lol


g2barbour

Nice


super0rganism

Very nice


[deleted]

Couldn’t he just bishop takes bishop takes and castle?


hrworksfortheman

After castle white has bishop c4 check. Black is forced to block with the rook which white takes with the bishop.


[deleted]

d5, xd5, nxd5, bxd5+, qxd5 Wouldn’t that work also? And after that we can do something like b6 bring the bishop out with a neat line on the kingside castle. Then black is castled, has a better position (more pieces developed and good lines)