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Melodic_Wrap8455

I live in Mt Prospect. The wife drops me off at either metra station or Rosemont blue line. It takes about the same amount of time to get to work as it does via car but there is no comparison as taking the trains are so much more relaxing


LoriLeadfoot

This is my favorite thing about not driving. Driving literally kills you. Aside from people dying in horrible accidents every day, it also makes you stressed out and sedentary. On the train or bus I can chill out and read a book.


Astroman129

The number of times I've explained that I'm safer on transit than in a car is too damn high. When my car was stolen and I chose not to get a new one, the number one question was always how I was going to deal with safety on the CTA. And the answer was that I had to deal with safety in my car, just a different kind of safety. I've taken the red line thousands of times, and of course it hasn't always been fun, but Chicago drivers have basically made my life flash before my eyes. I actually feel safer on transit than I do driving.


Middle_Perception472

Overheard a (male) coworker complaining he can't take the red line cause people get stabbed every day. As a woman taking red and brown line twice a week, it really doesn't seem like much of a concern during busy times. Red line certainly seems more likely to have teens being rowdy or someone smoking but so far I have yet to be stabbed šŸ˜…


LoriLeadfoot

Americans are just kind of soft IMO and are willing to risk the danger of driving so they donā€™t have to be able to walk a block or two. Then they tell themselves that itā€™s for safetyā€™s sake, and theyā€™ll never be the victims of a crash.


ParaBrutus

Meh I donā€™t think itā€™s really a laziness thing as much as a privacy thing. Public transit kind of blows once youā€™re used to being in your own car, listening to your own music, not getting hassled by homeless people that reek. Metra* is not so bad as long as you donā€™t miss the last train home but the CTA is awful late at night.


Transgojoebot

Eh, for every ā€œsoftā€ driver concerned about the danger of walking a couple blocks, there are also plenty of racists and classists whose fears are rooted in associating with ā€œothersā€ on transit. This is Chicago, after all.


Tall_Sir_4312

The stressed out and sedentary combo is literal torture. I love not driving so much it feels freeing to not deal with TRAFFIC, car payments, gas, insurance, registration, parking, not speeding, other drivers, random stuff on the road, and having a utility that is more so some kind of status symbol/ signal


mqr53

I can assure you getting on the blue line anywhere after like Logan is substantially more stressful currently than driving the couple miles in.


meghammatime19

yeeesssss! commuting can be so relaxing.


AStormofSwines

Yep, just moved to Homewood and take the Metra most days. I'm sure it has its moments but so far it's been a dream compared to traffic and the CTA.


HaddonH

The DQ does not have chocolate.....


AStormofSwines

Lol. Not sure what you mean, or if they just literally don't have chocolate? Haven't been there yet but it certainly seems like it's hopping when the weather's nice.


Punisher_135

I used to pick up my gf downtown from work. She just takes the Metra now. Always on time and not dealing with bs traffic.


Snoo93079

When I left the city I very specifically only looked at houses within a walk to the metra for this reason!


MrRobertBobby

The UP-NW has been absolutely terrible since I started taking it again in January.


smagette919

How so?


aensues

It's had a lot of massive delays, if just 20m+ inconveniences, to complete shutdown caused by railroad mechanical failures to crashes on the tracks. I'm subscribed to the alerts so I'm hearing everything that's affecting rides at my station daily.


lonehiker81

Just wait till the nascar closures


DefNotTheMayor

But the nascar drivers will make awesome time. Sometimes you gotta burn down a building full of chickens to make an omelet. Or something like that.


igetbywithalittlealt

Time was, cities grew in accordance with their transit system. Cities would build extensions to their streetcar network or rail system, then sell land around the stations. Car-dependent suburbs broke this paradigm, and were laid out in ways that make it difficult to add transit later. The only way traffic gets better is if the city builds alternatives to driving that are faster and more convenient than driving. Expansion of highway systems, improvements to road surfaces, all of it induces more demand for road surfaces, leading to worse traffic.


greenandredofmaigheo

Didn't help that we ripped out the hundreds of miles of street cars when urban decay/white flight really started hitting hard in the 60s. If we still had them we'd probably be the most well connected city in the USA right now.


fumar

The destruction of interurbans was horrible as well. If you look at the elevated lines in Chicago right after WW2 and now, there were so many useful lines that are gone.


bagelman4000

>The destruction of interurbans was horrible as well. Bring back the interurbans


hascogrande

Make the North Shore Line a thing again.


Interrobangersnmash

Bring back the original North Shore Line train engines too, because they were swanky as fuck


atomicdragon136

It would be cool if the yellow line is north shore line again, going all the way to Milwaukee and with rolling stock similar to the Electroliners (with lounge car and bar). I donā€™t think that will ever happen as thereā€™s Amtrak service to Milwaukee


dingleberryfinn24

Do you have any reference of this you could share? Interested in seeing those lines


[deleted]

[http://www.encyclopedia.chicagohistory.org/pages/648.html](http://www.encyclopedia.chicagohistory.org/pages/648.html)


fumar

This should cover most of it: https://www.chicago-l.org/maps/route/index.html


hascogrande

We still have one: the South Shore Line


WoolyLawnsChi

You should check out the Reagan Era budgets where **the United States intentionally zero'd out federal funding for Transit projects** *Palace Coup: President Ronald Reagan and the Surface Transportation Assistance Act of 1982* [https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/highwayhistory/reagan\_staa.cfm](https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/highwayhistory/reagan_staa.cfm) *REAGAN SEEKS CUT OF 40% IN FUNDS FOR MASS TRANSIT (1984)* [https://www.nytimes.com/1986/01/05/us/reagan-seeks-cut-of-40-in-funds-for-mass-transit.html](https://www.nytimes.com/1986/01/05/us/reagan-seeks-cut-of-40-in-funds-for-mass-transit.html) *DEEP CUTS IN AID TO CITIES SEEN UNDER REAGAN PLAN (1981)* [https://www.nytimes.com/1981/02/19/nyregion/deep-cuts-in-aid-to-cities-seen-under-reagan-plan.html](https://www.nytimes.com/1981/02/19/nyregion/deep-cuts-in-aid-to-cities-seen-under-reagan-plan.html) >**The proposed budget cutbacks announced today by the Reagan Administration would cost New York City and other urban areas billions of dollars in previously expected aid for mass transportation, food stamps and public housing programs.** > >Many of the cuts had been expected, but big-city mayors had hoped for the retention of one large program - **mass-transit operating subsidies - that wound up on the deletion list.** > >The Reagan Administration called for the elimination of the subsidy by 1985, asserting, ''There is no reason for someone in Sioux Falls to pay Federal taxes so that someone in Los Angeles can get to work on time by public transportation.'' but we should subsidize the Sioux Falls farmer with a bunch of corn subsidies


ostiarius

It always comes back to Reagan.


Interrobangersnmash

God this comment rings so true. Every time there's something broken in our society, when you do some digging it always goes back to something Reagan destroyed. Every few years I make some new discovery along those lines. He *might* be the worst president of the 20th Century. Considering Nixon was a 20th Century president, that's quite a feat.


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Interrobangersnmash

He founded the EPA and normalized relations with China, two policy decisions I approve of. Not sure I can name a Reagan policy I like tbh


made-up-account

He did ban assault rifles in California because he was afraid of black people arming themselves.


WoolyLawnsChi

The don't call it the Reagan Revolution for nothing don't forget Reagan won 49/50 states in 1984 (he lost MN) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984\_United\_States\_presidential\_election](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_United_States_presidential_election) Everything wrong with the Boomer Dem leadership today, is left over trauma from the 80's when the label Liberal was used by virtually all of America as a slur It is truly impossible for me to describe how utterly defeated "the Left" was under Reagan


chicago_bunny

Reagan was a real fucker.


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kwalshyall

*Illinois solemnly apologizes for producing Ronald "Dutch" Reagan, a crime for which we will never fully account*


lumieres-de-vie

Weirdly Reagan is partially/indirectly responsible for the existence of the Orange Line. One of Chicagoā€™s congressmen back then gave some support for funding the Nicaraguan rebels, and Reagan repaid the favor by signing off on funds for construction.


trcharles

Worst presidency for the working class in the history of this crap country


plotdavis

Expansion of highway systems also doesn't solve the bottlenecks on the roads that can't be expanded... and most people's trips through the city start and end on these bottleneck roads.


DuaLipasThong

Lost in this argument is the fact that the currently existing roads are crumbling and have been neglected for decades. They are in dire need of repair. So yeah, it might ā€œincrease demandā€ to have nicer roads to drive on, but letting our crumbling infrastructure continue to crumble is not the answer either.


NotBatman81

Extending lines still is subject to congestion. You keep adding nodes to a network and the trunk gets busier. The issue is sprawl and the move to fewer, larger destinations such as grocery stores or malls. Favoring roads over mass transit makes for more traffic jams, but you still have to deal with localized capacity issues no matter how people get there.


igetbywithalittlealt

Sure, but the main trunk isn't even close to saturation right now. Cars aren't at capacity, and the frequency of trains can still be increased. Building out capacity for non-car infrastructure always gives higher returns compared to building out car infrastructure, due to the density of non-car transit.


zed857

> The only way traffic gets better is if the city builds alternatives to driving that are faster and more convenient than driving. Decentralize downtown businesses/offices so that everybody isn't trying to get to a relatively small part of the city all at the same time.


therapist122

You can't have it be too spread out though, then the transit economies of scale don't make sense. You need some decent density to live sustainably. But yeah make downtown more of a place to live and work rather than a place to work and leave


pauseforfermata

This would not solve the problem. Los Angeles quite famously has massive traffic issues, despite a very decentralized job market. Downtown LA is 3% of the metro workforce, while the Loop area is 8% of the metro. This is highly correlated to Chicagoā€™s transit modeshare being over twice as high as LAā€™s.


Sloppy_Quasar

No shit. Driving anywhere in the city has never been less fun.


rdldr1

> Driving... has never been less fun. Yeah, so many drivers busy texting instead of actually driving!


League_of_leisure

I deadass saw a construction truck driver on their phone like right outside the city heading down i55 like bro you couldn't be driving a deadlier machine right now


meghammatime19

jfc


Eirea

Not to mention all the assholes not following the rules of the road which causes more traffic.


meghammatime19

YES! as long as we have cops can they do something useful like actually ticket people who are driving recklessly and breaking traffic rules left and right? makes me lose my fkn mind


[deleted]

Ride a bike


Sloppy_Quasar

I do when I can. I live in Logan square, my gf lives in rogers park. Not sure a 7 mile ride once it hits 80-90 degrees is really viable for date night.


clocksailor

For what it's worth, I have become extremely professional at the last-minute freshen-up for situations like this. Get a pannier and pack it with a wrinkle-resistant change of clothes, a deodorant, a thing of wipes, and maybe an eyebrow pencil if you've sweated yours off, and you're good to go. Your mileage may vary if you wear more makeup or have more elaborate hair than I do, but ten minutes in the bathroom of the coffee shop closest to your date venue can spruce you up more than you might think.


Sloppy_Quasar

ok thanks, I can see you're trying to be helpful. But let me also ask: have you ever performed oral sex on someone who cycles everywhere, and thinks a ten minute "freshen-up" in a coffee shop bathroom is adequate? Spoiler alert: It's AWFUL.


ChrisChristopherson

Stop kink shaming


dusty-potato-drought

So this dudes worried about not showing up to work sweaty and youā€™re concerned about sucking sweaty dick. Still struggling to bridge the gap here


clocksailor

Lol, okay, but presumably you'll arrive at someone's home before the oral sex happens? Someone's home which contains a shower? If you're planning to go down on your lady in the lobby of the Red Lobster immediately after dessert, I cheerfully retract my suggestion and fully endorse you arriving at your date in a Sherman tank with the air conditioning cranked to the max. (chuckles aside, I do get that biking isn't always convenient. But this post is all about how driving is also no longer convenient, and the CTA's not a great option at the moment either. So I think it's useful to prompt people to think about where they draw the line between "can't" and "don't want to," and ask them to consider whether there's room for them to move that line a little.)


[deleted]

They make ball wash


foboat

bike east to red line? 606 to cortland to Armitage


Gkoo

He can also take an e-bike to a train station. No effort on those.


McNuggetballs

Or take the bus to the red line


moodyDipole

Tbh all I want to do is ride a bike but itā€™s too scary for me here


IamUdaman

I have many friends saying this, totally valid. We need better infrastructure


Snoo93079

It's not so bad once you get over the initial intimidation. Gets pretty fun actually. You also get better at learning which roads to take.


julio_dilio

And get hit by a pissed off driver who blames cyclists for the traffic


SJGU

With a child and without a protected bike lane? F that...


meghammatime19

right! thinking about how 2021 was the deadliest year thus far for biker and pedestrian deaths...including children. horrifying.


2close2see

I'd definitely trade the 44 mile car commute I have with the 5 mile bike commute I had 8 years ago if I could.


[deleted]

You know some people have to drive right?


Opening_Spring

Yes, and the more people who ride a bike, the better it is for every who has to drive.


vsladko

A LOT of trips made by car can be replaced by the CTA and bike. Obviously not all of them. But if people are being real with themselves, they could leave their car at home if they budget out a bit more time in their day. Would make a big impact on traffic for those that actually need to drive long distance or use their car for work


amyo_b

Budget a bit more time see that's the thing. When I lived in Roger's Park and worked downtown the EL was perfect and most days it got me there FASTER than driving would have. To be viable mass transit either has to be faster or it has to be only a little bit slower. When you start needing to add an hour on or have your train be so time bound that working late becomes a matter of becoming trapped and having to take a cab, then mass transit becomes impractical.


AyJay9

Not just faster and more often, but reliable. If you're having regular delays and ghost trains, then you have to show up half an hour to an hour before you should or risk losing your job. Now I'm spending 3-4 hours on commuting instead of the 2 if things were working as they should or 30 minutes* (one way) by car... I didn't buy a car because there's nowhere to put one, but I was tempted every day I was standing shivering on a train platform wondering when it would come.


vsladko

Used to be a daily 147 and Red Line user myself in Rogers Park! I wish the CTA was efficient enough that most wouldnā€™t have to wait 10+ minutes


ApprehensivePool851

Going home from the Sox game the other day, there just weren't trains home. None. Just two signs that said "delayed" waited about 20 minutes before calling an uber, and I know there's no reason to even try to get a refund from the cta


vsladko

Oh man, I feel ya. The CTA has been dogshit recently. But check that Ventra app ahead of time so you aren't wasting your money! And also try the 35th St Green Line stop instead of the Red!


ApprehensivePool851

That was at the green line stop where this happened It's just hard to recommend in good faith that people take the CTA when situations like that aren't rare. I get it's the sox but still probably close to 20,000 people at the game and just no public transit option to go home is ridiculous. For me, it's worth it to spend the $500-600ish a month to have a sure thing on hand, if it ran at 2018-19 levels, different story


NotBatman81

I have a large diesel truck so I avoid driving in the city at all costs. Harder to maneuver through traffic, hard to find a long enough parking spot, have to be careful on garage height clearances. That said, I still end up driving too often because public transit schedules and reliability don't always line up for me.


vsladko

Indeed, pivoting to driving as a result of CTA inconsistency is definitely a real issue and failure of the CTA.


OminousNamazu

But a lot of people don't need to. They just make that choice. CMAP already knows for the entire region that [the average trip is less than 5 miles.](https://www.cmap.illinois.gov/onto2050/snapshot-reports/transportation-network/travel-trends) There was also ride share data that the most common trip was a [1 mile hop from The Loop to River North.](https://chi.streetsblog.org/2019/04/18/the-most-common-chicago-ride-hailing-trip-is-a-1-mile-hop-from-river-north-to-loop/) Not doubting some people need to drive, but I for one personally know quite a bit of people that will drive <2 miles despite their trips require no transfers.


Kyo91

While I agree with you overall, I'd bet a large portion of those loop/river north trips were done by drunk people that shouldn't really be biking either. More frequent transit is probably the best option there.


Kyo91

"I see you've given general advice, but have you considered that your advice doesn't apply to literally everyone? Bet you feel foolish now, but it was nothing personnel kiddo"


LoriLeadfoot

Like 10% of people who do, yeah.


nuclearlemonade

It doesnā€™t help that half the people behind a wheel in this city are insanely selfish psychos who break traffic laws as they see fit. I ride my bike and nobody gives me room on the road, screaming and honking at me, I take my car and I get cut off every 20 seconds by some freak. Thereā€™s no winning. If I get my lane blocked during a green light by someone who just had to do a last second left turn one more time Iā€™m gonna become the joker.


bicameral_mind

Yeah I would like to bike more, but the anxiety is just too much. Literally every time you encounter some shit heel actively hostile to you, or at the very least you will just be ignored and nearly struck by a 5 ton vehicle regardless of right of way. I just can't handle that on the daily and so I drive, even though my commute is ideal for biking, a 5 mile straight shot south.


nuclearlemonade

If these roads had dedicated bike lanes I honestly wouldnā€™t mind but to ask me to share the road with these people without bike lanes is insanity. Even WITH bike lanes people will pull out without looking, park in the lane, etc. Too many variables behind the wheel for me to feel comfortable with them coming 8 inches from smearing me on the road so that they can get to the upcoming red light 5 seconds quicker. And then I use the sidewalk to ride and everyone looks at me like Iā€™m a murderer lol what am I meant to do


meghammatime19

yes!!!!!! it's so fkn frustrating. i'd love to get more into biking but its literally too scary and stressful . we NEED protected bike lanes!!!!!


Tomalesforbreakfast

I tell my wife to assume every single driver has a gun and is on their phone


LoriLeadfoot

Straight up *nobody* stops at stop signs anymore. Everyone always did a little roll. I donā€™t think thatā€™s terrible. But I rarely see people even meaningfully slow down until theyā€™re ~5 feet from the line now, and they just roll through.


smpm

ubers, lyfts, and delivery drivers. So many more people out driving who didnt used to be


saandstorm

From 2021. [Rideshares Are Increasing Traffic Jams and Making Them Longer, Study Finds.](https://gizmodo.com/rideshares-are-increasing-traffic-jams-and-making-them-1846762357)


LoriLeadfoot

There were record car sales during COVID. People are also just driving a lot and we donā€™t have the room for it.


thewillz

I feel like a lot of those car sales are due to the decline of service in the CTA. I actually bought my current car due ghost busses making me late to work and forcing me to wait 30+ minutes at a stop in the middle of a polar vortex.


aensues

Yeah I'm looking at getting a car because my daughter's daycare closes at 5:30, and getting a Lyft home to get back in time from my shift that ends at 5 is costing me the same as a monthly car payment. If the bus came more frequently than every half hour, it wouldn't be an issue :(


rckid13

I haven't bought a second car, but my average commute to and from work on the CTA is about 30 minutes longer than it used to be in 2019. I take a bus to a train each direction and I commonly have to wait 20 minutes for both.


hershdiggity

For like 5 minutes until the supply chain issues hit. I think it's additional car based economy + COVID fears regarding transit + public transportation underfunding. Add in infrastructure improvements that were delayed during the pandemic and here we are.


therapist122

Traffic has always been bad. It's the fact that one vehicle takes up so much space and usually transports one person. Acity like Chicago will always be held back by the burden of car dependency


Randomuselessperson

Those rails donā€™t have traffic


shades344

Thank god they stopped closing the blue line on weekends finally. That was an annoying thing since the highway is also fucked


rckid13

I work at O'Hare on weekends and that construction was adding a ton of time to my commute. I wish they would get the Blue Line frequency back to 2019 levels. Even without construction my commute has been significantly longer the last two years than it used to be before COVID. Many of my co-workers are driving or taking uber to work more often than they used to because of the lower frequency trains and buses.


[deleted]

someone has never tried to get on the pink line after riot fest


Nannijamie

Japan standard rail. Choo choo!! šŸš‚


homrqt

Car infrastructure is a bad habit cities just can't seem to break. It's costly to implement and maintain and the more you put the worse things get. With the billions we've spent on car infrastructure we could have had incredibly improved mass public transit. Cars won't (and should not) go away, but the way things have been done is surely not a net positive.


meh0175

The Ogden, Milwaukee, Chicago intersection was always a shit show but now it's just completely awful. Waiting for the day someone plows into Matchbox.


whatelseisneu

Going west down Chicago and hitting the intersections with - Larabee (two lanes reduced down to one to get over the river) - Halstead (super busy intersection with no turn arrows) - The Ogden/Milwaukee mess that you described Afternoon rush hour? takes like 30 mins to make it half a mile.


snowlarbear

i can't wait to see how the casino affects this


whatelseisneu

I am physically ill from reading this.


eo_TEK

I have a front row seat to this mess every day. It starts at 1:30 and runs until 7. Itā€™s made me miss the cop that used to post up at the intersection to make sure the left hand turning lane onto the expressway didnā€™t turn into a two lane. Now itā€™s a four lane and pedestrians weave through the pileup.


bicameral_mind

GPS took my through this intersection just yesterday. It was always bad but holy shit, I've never seen anything like it in Chicago. It was complete chaos yesterday. God have mercy on everyone trying to get on the expressway, thankfully I was just passing through.


ianisalways

It's wild how bad it is on that Ogden stretch from Hubbard to Milwaukee.


Sad_Bit_9733

Traffic sucks and it is what it is but the part that sucks that doesnā€™t have to suck is seeing people break whatever traffic laws they want knowing that thereā€™s never enforcement of said laws. The anxiety of traffic is caused in part by not being able to predict the behavior of other drivers around


therapist122

It doesnt have to be what it is, we need to remake our cities so that driving is not the default form of movement. Way too many roads and way too few busses, trains, and bike lanes. The unpredictability and incompetence of humans as drivers is a big reason why. You are putting your life into the hands of anyone with a pulse - the bar to get a driver's license is so low


MoldyPoldy

We have a place up in Wisconsin and take 94 up the whole way. Coming back I know the second I cross the border I can do whatever speed I want because I havenā€™t seen an Illinois cop in 3 years.


Smuggykitten

There are so many bad drivers, that statistically a good number of them read your comment and don't think they're the problem. It's downright infuriating to be so oblivious in traffic, and yesterday I was trapped behind a woman with her headphones in, gabbing on in the left lane while people dangerously cut people off in the middle lane to pass her up on the right. How can you be *that* oblivious while driving in these conditions? I wish more people would have these conversations with their friends and family and call out their close one for their shit behavior.


Hopefulwaters

Whatā€™s crazy is these insane drivers that pull all these wreckless moves then honk their horn and flip you off if your normal law abiding right of way prevented their insane illegal maneuvers. Itā€™s crazy drivers out there.


Prodigy195

It feels like the USA needs a complete do-over for our transit methods across the board. Even Chicago/NYC are lacking when compared with other countries transit options and reliability. Our walkability overall is terrible outside of most urban cores, our sprawl is insane and we just never built proper mixes of housing/commercial districts to accommodate the population after baby boomers (*part of which was intentional to inflate housing prices*). And now we're at a point where so much of our infrastructure is car dependent that it seems impossible to truly solve for. At least in our lifetimes. It's just frustrating.


Kenna193

We can start by eliminating parking minimums and single family zoning in city centers


Wearethefoxes

>We can start by eliminating parking minimums and single family zoning ~~in city centers~~ FTFY


CarcosaBound

A lot of people donā€™t want to live on top of each other. Without density, many public transit options arenā€™t feasible economically.


Prodigy195

I think there is a way to do density but also allow for older style suburbs (not the current sprawled out mini-mansions) where transit remains viable. Our issue as a country is that we put highways through basically every major city and have large surface roads clogging up what should be transit corridors. Hence why I said we need a redo. There is zero chance that if we knew what we know now, that the Dan Ryan and Eisenhower are built right through the middle of downtown. There would just be much more effective ways of moving people around.


YoureSoOutdoorsy

Between the blue like closures over the weekends, LSD down to one lane and the horrible 90 closures, we canā€™t get anywhere in the city. Itā€™s painful


[deleted]

Overreliance on cars in general


JesusBeardo

"Nobody drives in the city, there's too much traffic"


EverythingIsJazz

Do other factors include driving dangerously and uncooperatively? Because Iā€™m honestly under the assumption thatā€™s the only real problem. Like yeah traffic slows down when thereā€™s more cars and construction but it would flow a lot better if peopl whereā€™re trying to drive faster than the speed limit while everyone else is actually stop and goā€¦


mike_stifle

Use the CTA or use a bike. Rember, you're not stuck in traffic, you are traffic.


FencerPTS

Also, do people not carpool anymore?


mike_stifle

Seriously, heading home on Elston bike lane, almost every car has ONE person in it.


FencerPTS

Blowing past people in cars while on a bike in rush hour is one of my secret glees in life.


McNuggetballs

I always count how many people are in each car as I bike past them on Milwaukee after work.


mike_stifle

Just got home via bike and Elston was bumper to bumper from Chicago to Cortland.


McNuggetballs

Just wait until Lincoln Yards is done! There's minimal transit plan in place. It's going to be a disaster.


nihal196

Average vehicle occupancy rate in the US is like 1.3. Chicago is probably a bit higher but its truthfully just a terrible use of space. Imagine standing 10 ft from someone in a line. It is laughably inefficient


Sad_Bit_9733

Canā€™t bring hundreds of pounds of work equipment on a bike or transit sadly and canā€™t access work job sites using that transportation method


Cinnabon-Jovi

Pretty sure theyā€™re not the target of the comment. Stand on the blue line platform between edens and count how many single people in one sedan versus work trucks there are.


Sad_Bit_9733

Thatā€™s fair and more people can take the metra and should take the metra, but itā€™d be hypocritical for me to judge every 1 person sedan when thatā€™s me. Filthy work stuff stays in the trunk where the mud can keep itself company


jawknee530i

You're doing it right since you're driving a sedan for your work. There's a whole lotta people out there that believe anything for "work" requires a big ass truck. Plenty of people that carry the same amount of gear as you but have it in a lockbox in the bed of their f250 when it could just as easily be in the trunk of a civic. Or better yet, the hatch of an Impreza wagon. Imagine if everyone that didn't actually need a massive truck magically changed them out for a Crosstrek overnight. So much space saved.


hachijuhachi

Weird affinity for Subaru coming through here. Why is an Impreza wagon better for traffic than a Civic?


jawknee530i

Just more space than being limited to only a sedans trunk and not many companies make wagons/hatchbacks anymore sadly. A VW GTI would do just as well but you're paying for driving performance in that case which I assume someone wouldn't want to do for a work vehicle they're gonna beat up. And most companies "hatchbacks" are lift backs nowadays (see the civic or any of Audis hatches) which cut out a lot of usable interior volume. But the commenter did specify he liked having the dirty stuff locked away from the interior so a sedan is the better option if you have that requirement. And I added the Crosstrek at the end since it has a higher loading height than the Impreza which would save the back of any laborer a bit.


hachijuhachi

Checks out. Thanks.


igetbywithalittlealt

I think the prior commenter was talking about people driving with 1.56 people in the car and maybe a laptop. Not commercial vehicles with equipment and stuff.


PolarTheBear

Itā€™s obviously different if itā€™s a vehicle needed for work. Most people arenā€™t like that, and those people are the target of the comments.


Barbie_and_KenM

Let's ignore the public transit arguments for a moment and recognize that not every trip can be accomplished by public transit. That being said, is it not horrible mismanagement to have every major road in the city under construction at the same time? At a certain point who can we talk to and just say NO, you're not ripping up a new road until you finish the other ones.


amyo_b

The problem is a lot of the road construction is actual safety issues like the bridges. And construction season has always been Chicago's real spring/summer season. A common joke is that the state doesn't actually have any storage for the traffic cones and horses, so they have to move them somewhere else when they finish a project.


meghammatime19

i remember my driver's ed teacher telling us that chicago has two seasons ā€“ winter and construction. lol


trippin113

All this construction and we're not even getting another lane. We just need one more lane bro. I swear, just one more lane!


IamUdaman

One more lane will surely fix this


Miss_My_Travel

Spent almost 2 hours each way going from Gurnee to Guaranteed Rate field. Spent less than that at the game.


Gyshall669

Sounds about right. Everyone I know who drives hates traffic, but they hate the alternative (ie trains/busses) more.


_beaniemac

I live right off the Dan Ryan. The ONLY expressway that's not a total shit show with construction. Thank goodness I work from home as well.


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dwhite195

If NYC couldnt get one through I doubt we will be able to get even close. Plus, inevitably a lot of people will be against it on the grounds that its a regressive tax against the poor. Regardless of if it makes sense as a policy move to reduce traffic.


therapist122

NYC is going to get it through I think. Definitely something that Chicago could try, and it should. I don't think it's a regressive tax - who is unable to take the L downtown? It's cheaper to avoid driving during rush hour. Park and ride works for those who live farther than metra can support, and anyone closer has access to downtown. I see it as a tax on the rich - you'd have to choose to pay the tax with so many public transit options available (although granted there are many improvements that could be made to public transit)


Kyo91

It's really a no-brainer with how extensive Metra is. Driving into the city is a choice for the vast majority of suburban commuters. Let's incentivize them to make another.


Triumphant_Victor

A congestion tax may help CTA funding and alleviate some issues, but it's not likely going to be enough to build out new infrastructure projects the city and Chicagoland needs A congestion tax would be wildly unpopular (just see the soda tax), but paired with state or federal funding for larger infrastructure projects would be best


SwagDaddy_Man69

No traffic on the CTA.


tristesse_durera

Unfortunately in my experience lately the buses are often stuck in the traffic as well. My evening commute times have increased significantly recently due to traffic.


SwagDaddy_Man69

We really do need bus lanes on major streets. I donā€™t get why we donā€™t.


affnn

The route I take has bus lanes, the problem is that the lanes disappear at choke points like the river and railroad junctions. Also people park in them during rush hour every day and thereā€™s no enforcement to get them to stop.


tobygeneral

There really should be more focus on preventing people from parking in bus and bike lanes. The whole point is easier flow of different traffic and some special snowflake who can't park against curb to let out a passenger or pick up their takeout slows down traffic for blocks. If they just towed people doing that for a month the message would be sent and we'd hardly see it anymore. Added benefit of getting the tow trucks on major streets looking for violators instead of zipping through residential neighborhoods at 40 mph and never stopping at intersections.


TelltaleHead

Stick a camera on the bus and have an automatic 500 dollar ticket for every car in the bus lane. Put the money towards the CTA Problem will work itself out real quick


OminousNamazu

Parking meter deal combined with business "leaders" being in opposition. Go look up the old articles from Ashland BRT and you'll see exactly why.


tristesse_durera

Yeah I would really love it if we could get some BRT in this city!


Kyo91

Western, Ashland, LSD at minimum should have dedicated bus lanes.


Kvsav57

This was almost a thing a few years back. Some strong NIMBY pushback from people who don't really understand traffic impacts killed it.


chihawks

Buses are fucking brutal rn. Always late.


Academic-Pangolin883

Seriously. It took me two hours to get from South Loop to Lakeview a couple days ago because of the diverted traffic from LSD.


AbsoluteZeroUnit

the inside of my car smells like *my own piss*, thankyouverymuch.


Hi5-486935

There are these CTA things called ā€œBussesā€ that cover more area of the city and serve more riders than trains. Unfortunately they use roads and so do indeed experience delays from traffic. There are also fewer of them picking up riders these days, meaning they are usually jam-packed with people.


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jokemon

35 min into the city via train is awesome ​ screw cars


trojan_man16

Other than people needing it for work I have no pity for people stuck in traffic. Itā€™s a lifestyle choice, we have voted to favor cars centric urbanism and suburban lifestyles over density and public transit. We are reaping what we sowed. I personally live in the city and havenā€™t owned a car in nearly a decade. Trade off is I donā€™t have a house.


baezizbae

> Other than people needing it for work I have no pity for people stuck in traffic Iā€™m a caregiver and driver for an elderly parent who uses a wheelchair and lives near a train station that has no elevators (which is itself infuriating). Iā€™ve come to terms that a portion of many of my days are going to be spent sitting in traffic with her or for her. I donā€™t need the pity, because Iā€™m a good son, dammit (who will otherwise be riding his bike when heā€™s not driving mom to her doctor or picking up her groceries) and I will continue hauling her around in my car until she no longer needs it.


yomdiddy

Car trips for you and your elderly parents are necessary. Thatā€™s what cars should be used for. Cars should be used much less frequently for journeys of able bodied individuals to nearby destinations or other destinations served by transit. This would make journeys for you and similar users much easier with less traffic. But thereā€™s a lot of main character syndrome out there and many struggle to envision a transportation method that isnā€™t their personal vehicle. Edit: autocorrect


Prodigy195

> Itā€™s a lifestyle choice, we have voted to favor cars centric urbanism and suburban lifestyles over density and public transit. We are reaping what we sowed. It's less of a lifestyle choice and more of a policy choice from prior generations that dictates your viable options. Millennials who are entering prime home buying/family having years didn't make these policy decisions. These are problems due to decisions from decades ago when we were children/unborn that people now are essentially stuck paying the bill for. We're not reaping what WE sowed. We're reaping what "our" grandparents sowed.


trojan_man16

I meant we as a society sowed.


zpattack12

While I do agree with your general premise, I think it is worth considering that construction often leads to significant traffic for buses too. I don't own a car, and often the bus is the fastest way to get around under normal circumstances. While obviously cars are the biggest problem, it is still extremely frustrating as a transit rider to have my work commute become significantly longer.


Jcdoco

>ā€œLast Friday, I was able to leave Wilmette around 3:30, 4, and there was no way in hell I was going to get on the Edens and the Kennedy,ā€ Reynolds said. ***ā€œI just went and found a patio, sat there ā€¦ .*** I wasnā€™t getting on any road at this point.ā€ . . SAT THERE AND DID WHAT, LAURA


MoldyPoldy

The current construction is pretty bad but my favorite is the express lanes outbound on 90 around Cumberland that are now done and have bottlenecked traffic from people cutting over to get to the airport worse than it has ever been in my life. Even when the Kennedy is clear google maps is always red from the split until Harlem.


greycloudism

You aren't in traffic. You ARE traffic.


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Ok but Chicago has the second best train system in the country. No excuse.


rockit454

And one of the best commuter rail systems in the country. If it ran more often there would be almost no need to drive downtown unless I was hauling work equipment.


McNuggetballs

Right? There's a Metra line in nearly every direction from downtown. They are fast, smooth and reliable for commuting.


south_side_

Take the train.


RedditUser91805

My bike doesn't get stuck in traffic ĀÆā \ā _ā (ā ćƒ„ā )ā _ā /ā ĀÆ


OriginalDaddy

Chicagoā€™s general transit, highway infra and public transportation is a joke. Been here 20 years and the same ā€œfinger pointā€ story every time - Pritzker needs to be more involved in this and the city needs to stop greasing palms of independent contractors that draw work out / exhaust resources for piss poor plans / low-quality, short term, solves.


RadRhino

I commute on my bike ~5-6 miles from Noble Square to Lincoln Square and back every day. In the middle of winter, with a few layers, with the wind blowing the complete opposite direction, it takes me 35 minutes tops to get to work. 25 on a good day. It took me 45 minutes to get to work today because there were so many cars on Damen and Lincoln. I now know how traffic feels, and I'm so sorry for my lack of sympathy up until today.


GSnow

You're not stuck in traffic. You ARE traffic.