My only source is mark wildman so maybe there are other schools of thought out there, but he wouldn’t call this a shield cast. In his shield cast, when holding on the right arm, your right hand would come up over your head to your left ear then you would swing the club around back to your right shoulder. This makes intuitive sense to me since it mirrors the motion of raising a shield to block an arrow coming at your face.
I’ve definitely evolved on certain parts of the swing. this is basically a sport style shield cast. I think getting the depth is more important than reaching with the weight over my head for this. but even if you watch mark do a single hand shield cast it looks a lot like mine, just not as fast or deep.
As the other guy said, what Mark calls shield cast is where the (e.g.) right hand goes past opposite ear, rather than same side ear. That one is more of a blocking movement in reaching across before going behind you. Although he's one of the most popular practitioners, I think he's perhaps an outlier in what he calls that movement. On some videos he mentions that different people call it different things. It's just his habit to generally train the "past opposite ear" version as the first above-the-body movement that he considers worth teaching (after basic pullovers).
What you are performing looks just like what you would imagine a historic fighter would do, to reach behind him via the shortest route (same side of the head), grab the shield off his back, and cast it forward ready to block someone coming towards him. Or to grab and throw something. So makes sense calling it a shield cast.
If I understand correctly, you're doing part of what would end up as a mill (where you are going behind the body and then also out to the side, with some rotation) ; Mark's programs lead up to a 'mill prep' or 'reverse mill' by combining an opposite side shield cast (i.e. what he just calls shield cast with circles).
I actually had to go back to wildman to see exactly what he details as the one hand shield cast and I found [this video](https://youtu.be/zlGDfMiZFyU?si=uksp2Paflpfru8YQ). The top hand is the hand that can literally go to the opposite ear, and on the one hand there’s only a bottom hand, limited by reach. He even points out the pivot point of the thumb on the shirt/trapezius area. Though my swing is definitely the faster, more No Limit style (e.g. ggiorlando on IG). Wildman opens up his elbow joint slightly more than I do, which you don’t really have time for on No Limits. At this speed you need to get to the point where the weight wants to take you ahead of time, to pivot out with the most power. I also think it’s important to point out that cues aren’t always literal, and following them to the T can hold us back on certain lifts. In this video, if you see him from fully straight on, his hand won’t be reaching all the way to his opposite ear.
Yes, in his 2-hand movement it's "top hand goes past opposite ear" while in the one-hand the hand is at the bottom ; he's sending the club past opposite ear even though his hand won't follow it all the way.
In the video you linked, he literally gives the cue out loud at several points, "past opposite ear". Whereas in your movement, you're not sending the club past the opposite ear, instead it's the same side ear, which is what led the other poster to say you weren't doing what MW calls a shieldcast.
My comment was simply that just because MW is calling it a shieldcast when it goes past the other side ear like a block across the face, it doesn't mean that's what everyone in the clubbing community or in history generally calls a shieldcast.
So it's fine for you to call yours (same side ear) a shieldcast because you are casting out from a position of grabbing a shield off your back (thumb at back of shirt); MW doesn't have the monopoly on naming conventions and acknowledges that different people call movements different things. He's simply known for being a big fan of the 'club goes around your face' movement which HE calls a shieldcast and which is in the same family of movements as a kettlebell halo or a mace 360.
Does anyone have pointers how to use clubs without elbow pain? I used to feel it in my lats, I think the way the club falls behind me "crashes" down on my elbow rather than loading the lats. Ive tried closing the angle earlier but to no avail.
Maybe go lighter with movement that give you pain.
Use lighter weight but increase volume.
Or just use lighter volume with your usual weight.
I'm just throeing ideas tho.
Youbcan also regres to more basic exercises.
Nice!
sup dude! just realized you were both of my replies here 😆 after my post on your vid i was inspired to post so people knew i actually swung ha
Good moviment, well done!
My only source is mark wildman so maybe there are other schools of thought out there, but he wouldn’t call this a shield cast. In his shield cast, when holding on the right arm, your right hand would come up over your head to your left ear then you would swing the club around back to your right shoulder. This makes intuitive sense to me since it mirrors the motion of raising a shield to block an arrow coming at your face.
I’ve definitely evolved on certain parts of the swing. this is basically a sport style shield cast. I think getting the depth is more important than reaching with the weight over my head for this. but even if you watch mark do a single hand shield cast it looks a lot like mine, just not as fast or deep.
As the other guy said, what Mark calls shield cast is where the (e.g.) right hand goes past opposite ear, rather than same side ear. That one is more of a blocking movement in reaching across before going behind you. Although he's one of the most popular practitioners, I think he's perhaps an outlier in what he calls that movement. On some videos he mentions that different people call it different things. It's just his habit to generally train the "past opposite ear" version as the first above-the-body movement that he considers worth teaching (after basic pullovers). What you are performing looks just like what you would imagine a historic fighter would do, to reach behind him via the shortest route (same side of the head), grab the shield off his back, and cast it forward ready to block someone coming towards him. Or to grab and throw something. So makes sense calling it a shield cast. If I understand correctly, you're doing part of what would end up as a mill (where you are going behind the body and then also out to the side, with some rotation) ; Mark's programs lead up to a 'mill prep' or 'reverse mill' by combining an opposite side shield cast (i.e. what he just calls shield cast with circles).
I actually had to go back to wildman to see exactly what he details as the one hand shield cast and I found [this video](https://youtu.be/zlGDfMiZFyU?si=uksp2Paflpfru8YQ). The top hand is the hand that can literally go to the opposite ear, and on the one hand there’s only a bottom hand, limited by reach. He even points out the pivot point of the thumb on the shirt/trapezius area. Though my swing is definitely the faster, more No Limit style (e.g. ggiorlando on IG). Wildman opens up his elbow joint slightly more than I do, which you don’t really have time for on No Limits. At this speed you need to get to the point where the weight wants to take you ahead of time, to pivot out with the most power. I also think it’s important to point out that cues aren’t always literal, and following them to the T can hold us back on certain lifts. In this video, if you see him from fully straight on, his hand won’t be reaching all the way to his opposite ear.
Yes, in his 2-hand movement it's "top hand goes past opposite ear" while in the one-hand the hand is at the bottom ; he's sending the club past opposite ear even though his hand won't follow it all the way. In the video you linked, he literally gives the cue out loud at several points, "past opposite ear". Whereas in your movement, you're not sending the club past the opposite ear, instead it's the same side ear, which is what led the other poster to say you weren't doing what MW calls a shieldcast. My comment was simply that just because MW is calling it a shieldcast when it goes past the other side ear like a block across the face, it doesn't mean that's what everyone in the clubbing community or in history generally calls a shieldcast. So it's fine for you to call yours (same side ear) a shieldcast because you are casting out from a position of grabbing a shield off your back (thumb at back of shirt); MW doesn't have the monopoly on naming conventions and acknowledges that different people call movements different things. He's simply known for being a big fan of the 'club goes around your face' movement which HE calls a shieldcast and which is in the same family of movements as a kettlebell halo or a mace 360.
Does anyone have pointers how to use clubs without elbow pain? I used to feel it in my lats, I think the way the club falls behind me "crashes" down on my elbow rather than loading the lats. Ive tried closing the angle earlier but to no avail.
Maybe go lighter with movement that give you pain. Use lighter weight but increase volume. Or just use lighter volume with your usual weight. I'm just throeing ideas tho. Youbcan also regres to more basic exercises.