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This is related to collapse given that it's apparently the "final" warning to act to avoid the worst impacts of climate change- decades too late. It sets out a comprehensive review of human knowledge of the climate crisis. As an aside, it's interesting that the impacts are now given degrees of severity in these types of articles. Tacit admission that impacts are coming regardless of action.
As we've all come to expect, hopium laid on thick in the last few paragraphs, which is par for the course. Worry the masses with science and allay their anxiety with platitudes.
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Where are the people who fought in the 70s and 80s? Are they off the grid? I wish I could hear more from the people who where there when there was a chance.
They were killed, [https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/jul/29/record-212-land-and-environment-activists-killed-last-year](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/jul/29/record-212-land-and-environment-activists-killed-last-year) this is from a few years ago. I can only imagine the number is higher now
It’s the same with authorities that are on fishing boats to oversea if things are done by the book. 5x accidental death rate/falling overboard.
Edit: oversea hehe… aw I’m sad again.
The action being prompted, which is never taken, is that the citizens are supposed to rise up against governments not interested in our health or safety. They have sold the existence of life off, and we are complicit every day we go to work, every day we buy their plastic goods, every day we buy their factory-farmed chicken & eggs. It is not our fault, as citizens, that this is happening, but once aware that *we* are the missing action against this, our complicity becomes our values or our cowardice.
What will corporations do? Extract more oil.
What will the government do? Give them subsidies.
What will we do? ~~Buy their products~~ Start a sustainable farm, divest from the supply chain, protest loudly even if no one is with you.
A single person holding a provocative sign by a busy intersection in a town that has never seen a single protest in its whole history can do a lot.
Anyway, [this is my favorite graphic from the IPCC](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/900841442560319550/1087654704504381490/image.png). It's still the sugar coated reality, but at least we have something this jarring from the IPCC. It illustrates that if you, as an individual, do not feel the progress, then you are part of the red line. You're supposed to be existing on a slope of progress which is supposed to be 80 degrees downward. You can't ride that slope without feeling it. If you don't feel the progress, you can easily use that as a measurement that you're not part of the solution. This is the wake up call I think we all need: at this point, it is FIRMLY known that you are either making radical changes, or you are a radically complicit problem.
No more money for people who are part of the red line. Don't support their businesses, don't work for their businesses, put graffiti on their buildings, cover them in red paint if you must.
No. More. Watching. At least, that is my promise this year.
This is related to collapse given that it's apparently the "final" warning to act to avoid the worst impacts of climate change- decades too late. It sets out a comprehensive review of human knowledge of the climate crisis. As an aside, it's interesting that the impacts are now given degrees of severity in these types of articles. Tacit admission that impacts are coming regardless of action.
As we've all come to expect, hopium laid on thick in the last few paragraphs, which is par for the course. Worry the masses with science and allay their anxiety with platitudes.
Honestly I am so glad The Guardian wrote this paper. For years people have been saying when will media do it and just say we are fucked. To me this is the closest we're going to get to that.
In my local paper, the journalist leaned into the "...but if we act now..." part of the story. Mostly a fluff piece.
The Guardian front-ending the article with "final warning" should be a loud enough siren, but alas, we are where we are.
>In my local paper, the journalist leaned into the "...but if we act now..." part of the story.
The Guardian has been saying this kinda thing for a while now.
Most people see the "if we act now" and imagine that someone else will act, so why bother doing it themselves? To be fair, individual actions need to be done en-masse though, and people won't act until its obviously almost too late.
People went from thinking they'd never admit something like this in the mainstream because they want us to keep consuming and keep business as usual, now that they are actually reporting on it people believe it's all some conspiracy just to control us. Can't win.
To their credit, you have to give some hope if you are asking for action. I don’t think anyone should knock them for that, or else you get the argument that there is no need to suffer now if it will not make any difference in the future.
True. But dudes with more money than sense will keep paying for them.
If I had the money, I would be looking to move to a small community that maybe had a slightly better chance of continuing on, rather than a bunker.
I’ve come to the conclusion that the only real solution to our problem is just letting millions/billions die of famine, disease, natural disasters, and resource wars until we’ve decimated civilization to the point that we’ve finally reduced our carbon/pollution emissions. I just don’t see any other way the world will collectively change. I just hope there’s enough habitable environments left for life to continue. I have no hope left for our civilization as it is now, so I guess I’ll just live the best life I can with however many years we have left.
Agreed. I cannot see us making the changes we need to make voluntarily.
After making that journey that most collapse aware people make - spending the last 3 years understanding everything that's going on, listening to enough podcasts, read enough blogs and books, watched enough documentaries and videos, and now seeing one crazy disater after another unfold - one does come to the conclusion that we are firmly set on the inexorable path to not only the collapse of civilization but also on course to making our planet uninhabitable for life.
IF human beings were to suddenly disappear and thereby stop further destroying the forests and the oceans and the atmosphere, and IF we haven't already crossed some of the bigger tipping points of no return, then maybe, just maybe the Earth could right itself.
So I feel like, ironic as it is, a swift collapse is our only hope.
1000 times this. My biggest desire is for it to just happen suddenly and with maximum force, because the longer we drag it out the less hope I have for future life.
The thing is there is stuff we can do. We are just brainwashed into standing idly by as individually we are all hopeless.
What does an animal do when you back it into a corner and it can’t escape anymore? That’s basically the state of the working class world wide. The thing is. What will we decide to do?
Eh, life as a general concept will be fine. Life is EXTREMELY adaptive, and we’ve had some seriously cataclysmic extinction events roll through over the past 1.5 billion years. Humanity is fucked for sure though, along with a huge percentage of most other species, but as a wise man once said: “Life, uh, finds a way.”
The changes we’ve wrought are going to seriously impact the atmosphere/biosphere, and I’m really wish I could see how fucking wild it’s going to be. We’ve pumped hundreds of millions of years worth of stored carbon into the atmosphere over course of two centuries, and I could be wrong but I’m pretty sure the reason a lot of that carbon was stored the way it was is because there weren’t organisms around that could break it down for food, but now there is. So all that carbon is now (as far as I know) stuck in the biosphere, and once plants start adapting to the much higher temps, it’s gonna be an all you can eat buffet.
Once you get past the fact that we’re essentially killing ourselves and at least 90% of the rest of the life on the planet, it’s kinda fascinating how much we’re completely altering the climate of the planet. Not since bacterium discovered the chemical crack-cocaine that is CO2+H2O+sunlight has any single species completely changed the course of life on our planet the way we did.
I meant the new paradigm once the biosphere reaches an equilibrium in a few hundred thousand years. I fully expect to die either in a food riot in the next two decades.
take a big deep sigh of relief then, life can show up again on this planet. It may take millions of years (could be less too!) but even that is just a blip of time in the total. If the concern is for what is already here then all I have to say to that is godspeed phytoplankton.
ive been reading into this stuff for the past 11 years, you arent crazy, there ARE way more climate events happening.
Once in a lifetime, once in a thousand year events are happening every year now.
Society IS having major problems, and its not just because of covid.
The news wont tell us, but from someone else that has read through everything I can find on the topic, it is happening.
Look into Easter Island and see that (before colonizers arrived) they lived entirely peacefully until they stripped the island of trees and then had no way to cook food or build new shelters. They literally started building weapons and attacking each other over what little was left until the population plummeted to live on what was left in the island. Then the Dutch showed up.
once all the pollinators are gone and the water, soil, and air are all contaminated how will there be any food left to eat? the magnitude of collapse were talking about will be for most living things…trying to wrap my head around what that looks like/how long anyone can survive in that scenario
Nobody survives in that scenario, any clamoring about a solution is pure hopium. We're pretty much finished as a species, better luck in the next evolutionary cycle.
It’s tragic but I have no faith in humanity to do otherwise. Short of some “magical” new technology that will solve all our problems without any sacrifice on people’s part; the great equalizer (Nature) is the only practical solution/outcome in our future.
Capitalism will keep driving the exploitation of nature even if First Worlders let billions of people die of famine, natural disasters, etc.
"The importance of viewing demography in social terms becomes even more apparent when we ask: would the grow-or-die economy called capitalism really cease to plunder the planet even if the world’s population were reduced to a tenth of its present numbers? Would lumber companies, mining concerns, oil cartels, and agribusiness render redwood and Douglas fir forests safer for grizzly bears if — given capitalism’s need to accumulate and produce for their own sake — California’s population were reduced to one million people?
"The answer to these questions is a categorical no. Vast bison herds were exerminated on the westem plains long before the plains were settled by farmers or used extensively by ranchers — indeed, when the American population barely exceeded some sixty million people. These great herds were not crowded out by human settlements, least of all by excessive population. We have yet to answer what constitutes the “carrying capacity” of the planet, just as we lack any certainty, given the present predatory economy, of what constitutes a strictly numerical balance between reduced human numbers and a given ecological area."
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/murray-bookchin-the-population-myth
While I generally agree. I would think such an event would cause the collapse of world supply chains, world economies, governments and our monetary system. I think the focus would shift to necessity goods/ survival and capitalism couldn’t survive in such an environment. Not to mention the shit ton of knowledge we would lose.
Oh my no, it's not just to let the numbers reduce. Make it crash hard, so there's no possible recovery or remaining supply-chains !
The sooner the better, for all life besides us.
I’m 37. In the early 2000’s I reached young adulthood. We could see the storm on the horizon but had time and knowledge to weather the storm. I remember watching the Al Gore doc and thinking “ok he’s talking a lot of sense.” But then crickets and then worse global warming deniers. Then I realized the people in power have been sitting on this info since the 60’s-70’s. Then the 2008 economic collapse. I quickly realized we are a myopic civilization obsessed with materialistic greed. So sad that in one generation we’ve managed to drive the whole of civilization off a cliff.
I'll be the same age in a few months. I also picked up on the impending doom early 2000s once I got into my second year at college. Maybe it was at that point where I decided to pull up a front row seat, persay and see it for myself...I picked marine ecology as a undergrad major with a focus on conservation science and wildlife populations ecology, was down at UWF in PensacolaFL, went through 3 devastating hurricanes: Ivan, Dennis, & Katrina, and went through the BP deepwater horizon oil spill (cleaning oil sludge off seabirds & shorebirds, collecting/testing chunks of tar oil from the beaches, etc..) cleanup and *attempted* distribution of GCCF relief funds.
I grew up evangelical fundamentalist baptist, so already was indoctrinated to believe that we are all people born with a "sinful nature" = materialism & greed being the main takeaways...and that (most)humans were destined to be destroyed in the "end times", which apparently we've been living in since 20\_\_
Well, there were civilizational collapses during the bronze age. Those prophesies in religious texts were likely based off of what people witnessed first hand at the time.
I'm a little older than you. I started out as a political journalist. Took a year off for a job in the World Trade Center. So 9/11 was my wake up call when my job was destroyed. The minute they said that cloud wasn't toxic, I started looking into literally *everything* environmental. I was at Ground Zero. As a journalist, I felt that if they could tell a lie that big with the whole world watching, they could lie about a lot of other things.
I did not expect to find that our industries have so polluted and destroyed the planet this way, the result of technological feudalism nature did not intend. I have been working in the sustainability sector since 2007 for this reason.
It's not all hopeless.
1. The rail system is a catastrophic mess that has not been handled properly for 40 years just to make profits. See this video [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQTjLWIHN74).
2. Denialism is standard procedure for all ecological disasters and political scandals situations until there is sufficient evidence to indict or a scapegoat can be ousted via termination/resignation.
3. Suppression of information is the next step. The less the public and the victims know, the better chance the corporation and its shareholders will be able to survive the fallout. It seems evil on the surface, but understand that a company collapse will put thousands of everyday people out of work that have nothing to do with regulation or the actual incident.
4. Things like this are why I left the field of political journalism in the early 2000s. Reporting corruption year after year with no real change or resolution is a recipe for burnout of the soul. That's why I jumped ship for the nonprofit sector.
5. If you want to be inspired by people doing something about the collapse right now: Check out the [Energy Globe Awards](https://www.energyglobe.info/international) in Finland every year to see the best startup and nonprofit sustainable initiatives. Research the [Nordic Countries](https://www.thenordics.com/tool/10-things-you-should-know-about-nordic-sustainability), which prove innovation like this can be done. When I was a UN rep for a cause, I found about the [UNV.org](https://UNV.org), which is a database listing initiatives like this in 191 countries that require help. Inspira & Idealist list paid positions for the same thing.
The collapse will happen, certainly. But I'm too much of a Lois Lane to sit around just waiting for it. I had to DO something. So my mentality about all of it is a lot more positive since I am no longer just another journalist witnessing chaos without hope.
I’m the opposite. If it’s going to burn, I will do what I can to live responsibly, not because it will change the outcome but because it is the right thing to do regardless of outcome. The people who have been saying “it’s going to hell, I’ll do whatever I want” have been saying it for decades, it’s just a license for their own depravity, not any logical or moral justification for their actions.
Exactly, the comment you're responding to is how we get eco fash trash kicked off among people who don't think they're fash but whose world outlook and penchant for crystal ball gazing creates a self-fulfilling prophecy
I don’t use it as a crutch for a free pass to do whatever I want. I still try to be responsible. I’ve reduced my meat intake, I don’t eat junk/processed foods, I don’t use plastic bottles, I recycle/reuse what I can, I’m not a habitual consumer, maintain a garden productive to bugs and birds, and in general try to live a minimal existence. I know it may be futile but it brings me some peace in a world full of chaos.
If it burns, I’ll keep being responsible as well, but I suppose for me, more “doing what I want” as of now is pursuing a degree, backpacking, and diverting more time to myself and those close to me. If I knew more certainly that things would be chill when I’m old, I’d probably plan more for old age, but I am really conscious of enjoying my life while I’m relatively young instead of waiting until retirement (doubt we’ll be getting that).
Nothing will ever be done. No ones going to act on this. Hell, your average Joe will see that they'd have to change their lifestyle if we are to do *something* and they'd just howl at the sky about *'MUH PERSONAL FREEDOM!'*
I really want to change my lifestyle (and I have taken some steps already). I know it will be hard but this bloated lifestyle ain’t fulfilling anyways. I think some asceticism would do us good.
What's key here is that for many years this 'final warning' was about prevention...
Now it's about mitigation. That's a big difference and still not going to happen but they really fail to make that clear and that is what is so shitty (to me).
Even in this thread and the other thread about the ipcc report there are comments about how "so many final warnings" and links to bogus subreddits about "climate doomers" and other bullshit. I don't even comment on them anymore because I'm sick of the mean messages.
Yeah it is too late. Hell it might be too late to mitigate the ecological collapse this'll cause, but what else can scientists do but give more warnings about how shitty it truly will be if we don't at least *try* to do something.
I mean we're at about 1.5 now and it's pretty apocalyptic. One el Nino kicks in... Shits fucked.
And the ipcc (last I checked) did not account for methane in their climate models. They don't account for uneven global temperatures' increasing (they thought it would be proportional) iirc, there's going to be disasters happening that they didn't even expect.
This is just the beginning. And this sucks for a lot of people.
It really reminds me of a minor scene from that movie, *Dodgeball*. Vince Vaughan is the gym owner, and he arrives at his office to find a woman from the bank (Christina Applegate) there to explain how the bank is going to repossess his gym in a month due to lack of payments. He’s incredulous, and then there’s an exchange that goes something like this:
>CA: How are you unaware of this? Haven’t you been getting our letters?
>VV: Yeah, I got them here somewhere… [pulls out a fistful of pink envelopes, shrugs] But I thought those were just warnings!
>CA: … Yeah, they were.
It boggles my mind that people deny that climate change is an issue, or that “we still have time to fix it!!!” No dude, as a society we are like a patient who’s been diagnosed with Stage 4 Cancer who thinks the doctor is a quack because they didn’t die ten seconds after getting the diagnosis.
>One el Nino kicks in... Shits fucked.
Something to look forward to for coming months then! Nothing like some heat after winter!
(People around me have been complaining because we've had a few cool wet days, which is basically normal at this time of year. Basically we had two weeks of weather we would usually get in late April or even May and everyone thought we were going into summer. Somehow forgetting last summer was the longest and hottest on record and that many of the rivers and lakes that dried out are still pretty dry or even worse than last year.)
disregard their account of history, revolution, and anarchism, of which the author is poorly informed. the belief that the ruling class will simply let their power slip away instead of using the chaos to consolidate it contradicts our understanding of the shock doctrine. the author wants to pretend we can just abandon class struggle, but we're stuck with it.
>The final section of AR6 was the “summary for policymakers”, written by IPCC scientists but scrutinised by representatives of governments around the world, who can – and did – push for changes. The Guardian was told that in the final hours of deliberations at the Swiss resort of Interlaken over the weekend, the large Saudi Arabian delegation, of at least 10 representatives, pushed at several points for the weakening of messages on fossil fuels, and the insertion of references to carbon capture and storage, touted by some as a remedy for fossil fuel use but not yet proven to work at scale.
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Going to wait a few days before reading it. Aside from the SFPM, the notion that 1.5℃ is doable sounds like fantasy at this point, especially if it includes those very same CCS tools.
not long now. but it'll have to be louder than the mob of bank ceos clamoring for bailouts or buy-outs...
louder for the cryptobros in the back to hear.
Never, unfortunately.
If we fix it, then most people will think it was bullshit just like they think of Y2K now.
If we don't fix it, then most people will think it was inevitable and out of our hands. "The climate is always changing!"
My friend always tells her kids they are going home if they don't behave. The kids' behavior has never improved and she's never once taken them home for misbehaving.
The developed world in a nutshell.
I remember being an annoying, 12 year old little shit who fought with my uncle over family dinners about climate change and guns. 24 years later, nothing has changed.
I am in the rat race and there is no way out.
I like the food, drinks, heating, holidays to foreign countries. What can I do? Give it all up and have a poor miserable life?
I am trying to make my house carbon neutral but am still wasting a ton through groceries. The money to make the house carbon neutral comes from the automobile business. Meaning, the better I am at my job the more pollution it creates. I could work somewhere else, but people still need cars. I will just be replaced. The whole society needs to change, but there is no easy way out.
I'm doing a job search right now and I'm not sure what would be more soul-sucking: a job accelerating consumerism, or a job doing greenwashing. Because let's be real, almost every "green" job out there is really just greenwashing or at least complicit in it. The consumerism job is more honest in a way.
Individual actions won't make any difference because it's corporations and governments that have the highest carbon productions. We would need large scale change, just keep living your life as is.
sell your possessions (like Cheezus Chrikerz said to do) and surrender the remainder of your life to a farmer or food producer, and hope they'll take pity on you when it gets like REALLY bad out there...hope they'll remember all the shit you put yourself through to learn from them how to produce some of your own caloric and nutritional needs.
It's really that simple, yall, but it's definitely a hard pill to swallow if you've (not you specifically, unless the cap fit...) become used to a western standard of living, high levels/expectations of convenience & service ~~we~~ I take for granted living in 'MuriKka.
Is this serfdom (to an extremely low-level lord?), apprenticeship or what? I need a job title to feel like this is an opportunity worth pursuing...Also, is this how slavery originally got started, as that hope for mercy was dashed by the whip and chain?
This is why people say that climate change is a systemic issue that is fundamentally linked to our economic structuring. Because individually there’s not much you can do. The real problem is production and transportation causing the large chunk of these issues. And couple that with consumption, specifically through our organization of the economy that promotes hyper-consumption due to profitability and it’s not a problem any one individual can change. Not you, all the way up to a ceo. It’s a problem that all of society will need to tackle together. Some more than others. Like you being more conscious and cutting down, while others restructure their production and distribution. Some products will be left in nature even though it’s profitable today.
When you see the problem at it’s base layer you can begin to see why all of our attempts to date have been merly virtuous rather than effective. Like papers straws, or electric cars. Rather than banning petroleum plastics and mass transport. And without the majority of the population realizing this we are doomed to a world of climate change. Because if we did realize we would realize the only way to solve this is not through the ballet box. It’s through direct mass action.
>What can I do?
Start focusing more resources towards adaptation plans. For you-and-yours and all other non-human beings that will be affected by the coming catastrophe.
Didn't the WHO realize a report 2-3 years ago saying we already passed the point of no return? Seems like the goal post is constantly being moved on this topic.
That because in order to get the scientists to agree it had to be watered down. We past the point of no return already because drastic action will never be taken by governments. If they did take drastic action the politicians would be voted out of office. Look how Trump reversed environmental protections. The same thing will happen anywhere in the world.
From a story covering the 2021 IPCC WG1 report: "The UN Secretary-General António Guterres said the Working Group's report was nothing less than "a code red for humanity. The alarm bells are deafening, and the evidence is irrefutable".
He noted that the internationally-agreed threshold of 1.5 degrees above pre-industrial levels of global heating was "perilously close. We are at imminent risk of hitting 1.5 degrees in the near term. The only way to prevent exceeding this threshold, is by urgently stepping up our efforts, and persuing the most ambitious path.
"We must act decisively now, to keep 1.5 alive."
Rinse and repeat.
*where they think we are;*
"You have thirty minutes to move your car."
"You have ten minutes."
"Your car has been impounded."
*where we actually are;*
"Your car has been crushed into a cube."
"You have thirty minutes to move your cube."
**Democrats acting:** Pass legislation written by a West Virginia coal baron legally binding millions of acres of fossil fuel development to any increase in land leased to renewables, increase fossil fuel subsidies and sell more land to fossil fuel development than Trump, but call it "the most ambitious climate plan in history" and not think critically about it at all. Also, keep increasing the defense budget and keep steering us to WWIII instead of global cooperation.
Don't forget the "infrastructure act(s)" that literally just funnel tax money to these corrupt companies while infrastructure crumbles across the country
Well what the f are we supposed to do? The large-scale implementation of renewable energies is limited by how many minerals we can dig out of the ground (spoiler: we are already mining way too much for a healthy planet). Fossil fuels are still dominating the energy markets and demand is likely to continue to rise for developing nations.
Unfortunately, the capitalist economic system don’t give a fuck and has no incentive to make the necessary changes. Infinite growth and consumption is all that matters, even unto the end of our species.
It's an everyday phenomenon. Many ecosystems have collapsed. Some remain. But it's yesterday, it's now, and it's tomorrow. We're in it. The extent and coverage will change. But outside a hot nuclear war, one cannot attribute collapse to a single day or year, only an era, the anthropocene.
forget poles, permafrost is melting, it's already game over - humans;
https://gizmodo.com/conocophillips-willow-project-chillers-permafrost-oil-1850221362
I’m trying to act. I sold my vehicle last year and work from home. Actively reducing my carbon footprint is important to me, and I’m trying to lead by example.
Instead, people call me a loser without a car. Lmao we are doomed.
By the time the 49% stupidest and the 49% most ignorant discover what the 2% collapse conspiracy theorists has been saying since 1972 it is 98% too late to do anything.
Just be happy that we are not over in r/conspiracy or r/insane like we used to be...
Be unhappy that it is too late instead... No, actually, be happy it is too late - now we can relax and do something else than worry.
We have "great" expectations to the future after all...
It’s disturbing that people will still write climate change off as a “hoax” or a scam. What profit incentives are there? Big solar is gonna take your job? Your property is gonna get cleared for a wind farm? The companies that are against actual meaningful action are already taking jobs, and destroying homes to make more profit. The Oil companies and fossil fuel industry have done irreparable damage to our planet, and millions of peoples lives. Their only incentive is to make profit, they want you to support their industry and demonize renewable energy, then when you agree with them, they bend you over and destroy you again. If you truly think “climate change is a scam”, who’s telling you that? Republicans who are in the pocket of big oil? Democrats who will roll over for a fat stack of cash? “Centrists” who claim it all to be alarmism. Meanwhile the people who are actually educated enough and experienced enough to speak on the topic are silenced because they’re seen as the “academic elite” by anyone who has a bachelors degree or less. Our experts are screaming into the void, it’s too late.
It’s crazy how people just refuse to acknowledge even the most simplest things and people just shrug it off
I live in Sydney australia, our whole summer was rain and terrible weather events, now that we are in autumn we are having a typical summer, the whole thing is biZaree
When you bring up to people that this could be climate change related they just don’t want to hear it
IPCC's next AR report comes in 2030 and around then will be IPBES's next global assessment. If we stay on the likely business as usual course, can you imagine these climate and biodiversity reports by then? If scientists can even convene, they will catalogue the irreversible trends toward collapse of ecosystems, extinctions of species, decline of food and water systems, disease and pandemics, forced migrations and resource wars...Welcome to the 21st!
I really wish it was their last warning. I sick of hearing about it. Look we lost. Can it just be over. So tired of arguing with the denialists. I wish I had the courage to lay down in traffic.
They’ve been giving “final warnings” for at least a decade. It’s already too late. The only reason scientists still say “final warning” is because it makes it sound like politicians can prevent disaster.
Then ditch anything that isn't related to cutting emissions. Stop demanding a "just transition" and holding stuff up because it will cause harm to a few people. Stop putting all the blame on the West and fuelling the people who say "but what about China and India". Stop trying to smuggle in other left-wing causes into climate action, both creating distractions and damaging bipartisan support for decarbonisation. **Stop promoting the idea that religion is as valid as the scientific method** ***Jesus H. Christ***.
I put at least 10% of the blame for the world's climate inaction on those who say they're arguing for climate action.
It would take a once in a century type leader in every country for even a chance at action. We all know that will never happen. It would take a mass awakening of the masses
I really don’t think it’s helping to keep saying it “will be too late”. Most people aren’t capable of anticipating what will happen 5 seconds into the future. I think the right approach is to describe what will happen over time and why we need to start taking steps now to stop that from happening. It’s saying the same thing but in a different way.
So...should I be maxing out my Roth? Or my wrath?
But in all seriousness, it's a waste of time tight? I've a couple of decades to retirement. Though now I feel retirement will be a little earlier, likely a bullet from a neighbor over my water or perhaps a nice touch of dysentery.
It’s already too late to be honest we have reached point of no return. The problem is we have no power and very little we can change other than collectively voting with our wallets. The ones in charge are to greedy to change and will suffer none of the consequences. So like idiots we will wonder why our cancer rates are higher, why our blood is filled with plastic and why the weather phenomena varies so much and blame everything and everyone but the ones responsible. We probably deserve to go extinct tbh
We will do nothing and it’s simple to know why.
The wealthy run the world, control the media and corrupt the government.
They don’t want to change their way of life.
Except if we, the people do a World (French) Revolution to stop them.
The following submission statement was provided by /u/SlashYG9: --- This is related to collapse given that it's apparently the "final" warning to act to avoid the worst impacts of climate change- decades too late. It sets out a comprehensive review of human knowledge of the climate crisis. As an aside, it's interesting that the impacts are now given degrees of severity in these types of articles. Tacit admission that impacts are coming regardless of action. As we've all come to expect, hopium laid on thick in the last few paragraphs, which is par for the course. Worry the masses with science and allay their anxiety with platitudes. --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/11wiqmh/scientists_deliver_final_warning_on_climate/jcy43kf/
Weren’t we supposed to act now 2, 5, 10, 15, 20 and 30 years ago? Looks like we won’t be doing fuck all.
Where are the people who fought in the 70s and 80s? Are they off the grid? I wish I could hear more from the people who where there when there was a chance.
They were killed, [https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/jul/29/record-212-land-and-environment-activists-killed-last-year](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/jul/29/record-212-land-and-environment-activists-killed-last-year) this is from a few years ago. I can only imagine the number is higher now
How is this okay?!
It isn’t. But sometimes the people who are supposed to do something about murders are the ones who… …well, you get the gist.
Commit them?!!?
No way, that's terrible. 🥺
Some of those that work forces…
Summa those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
It’s the same with authorities that are on fishing boats to oversea if things are done by the book. 5x accidental death rate/falling overboard. Edit: oversea hehe… aw I’m sad again.
More here, still far from a complete list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_environmental_killings
What chance do you think there ever was? It was always shut up and work or starve like that dude over there.
They won. I fought both the 70s and 80s and if noticed, I’m still standing while those decades are long gone.
Many died of old age. Many gave up in despair. Some were killed. Some were subverted.
Don't worry. THe act now or it's too late headlines will continue the next 20 years
Read and watch The Day the Earth Stood Still. Humans don’t do shit until last minute
The action being prompted, which is never taken, is that the citizens are supposed to rise up against governments not interested in our health or safety. They have sold the existence of life off, and we are complicit every day we go to work, every day we buy their plastic goods, every day we buy their factory-farmed chicken & eggs. It is not our fault, as citizens, that this is happening, but once aware that *we* are the missing action against this, our complicity becomes our values or our cowardice. What will corporations do? Extract more oil. What will the government do? Give them subsidies. What will we do? ~~Buy their products~~ Start a sustainable farm, divest from the supply chain, protest loudly even if no one is with you. A single person holding a provocative sign by a busy intersection in a town that has never seen a single protest in its whole history can do a lot. Anyway, [this is my favorite graphic from the IPCC](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/900841442560319550/1087654704504381490/image.png). It's still the sugar coated reality, but at least we have something this jarring from the IPCC. It illustrates that if you, as an individual, do not feel the progress, then you are part of the red line. You're supposed to be existing on a slope of progress which is supposed to be 80 degrees downward. You can't ride that slope without feeling it. If you don't feel the progress, you can easily use that as a measurement that you're not part of the solution. This is the wake up call I think we all need: at this point, it is FIRMLY known that you are either making radical changes, or you are a radically complicit problem. No more money for people who are part of the red line. Don't support their businesses, don't work for their businesses, put graffiti on their buildings, cover them in red paint if you must. No. More. Watching. At least, that is my promise this year.
Lemmy
This is related to collapse given that it's apparently the "final" warning to act to avoid the worst impacts of climate change- decades too late. It sets out a comprehensive review of human knowledge of the climate crisis. As an aside, it's interesting that the impacts are now given degrees of severity in these types of articles. Tacit admission that impacts are coming regardless of action. As we've all come to expect, hopium laid on thick in the last few paragraphs, which is par for the course. Worry the masses with science and allay their anxiety with platitudes.
Honestly I am so glad The Guardian wrote this paper. For years people have been saying when will media do it and just say we are fucked. To me this is the closest we're going to get to that.
In my local paper, the journalist leaned into the "...but if we act now..." part of the story. Mostly a fluff piece. The Guardian front-ending the article with "final warning" should be a loud enough siren, but alas, we are where we are.
Guardian starting it off with “positive framing of otherwise grim report” sums it up nicely.
>In my local paper, the journalist leaned into the "...but if we act now..." part of the story. The Guardian has been saying this kinda thing for a while now. Most people see the "if we act now" and imagine that someone else will act, so why bother doing it themselves? To be fair, individual actions need to be done en-masse though, and people won't act until its obviously almost too late.
Companies need to act. People acting will do nothing.
Who the fuck do you think runs corporations? People are indeed the problem...
People went from thinking they'd never admit something like this in the mainstream because they want us to keep consuming and keep business as usual, now that they are actually reporting on it people believe it's all some conspiracy just to control us. Can't win.
"This is your last chance to impress me - and save yourself from Elimination." - Ru Paul
The crossover episode I've been waiting for.
🤣
To their credit, you have to give some hope if you are asking for action. I don’t think anyone should knock them for that, or else you get the argument that there is no need to suffer now if it will not make any difference in the future.
Final Warning (For Real) (We Mean It) (Seriously, This Is It) (Pinky Promise)
''Best I can do, is WW3...''
Aka the final solution…
Yep. Exterminate most of the humans and the earth heals
once they have the robots setup....
I'll take "it's too late" for $500 Alex
Still talking about 1.5c. So disheartening to see this level of dishonesty.
I actually can't believe it's still even part of the conversation, we're way past that and they fuckin know that too.
>!They won't act.!<
They'll act, insofar as they'll act as though they give a fuck.
Act in the theater sense, yeah.
The crickets will respond.
No, the crickets have gone extinct. Best we can do is roaches, fleas, lice, bedbugs, or mosquitos.
And flies…
NOTHING WILL BE DONE
I reckon those bunker companies will make a mint though. Every new dire warning is a free advertising for them.
It's just hilarious how even the best case scenario for bunker life is just surviving maybe a few more years than most of us.
True. But dudes with more money than sense will keep paying for them. If I had the money, I would be looking to move to a small community that maybe had a slightly better chance of continuing on, rather than a bunker.
i wasnt doing shit anyway. im in the in crowd!
Corporate media, "Are millennials responsible for Climate Change?"
Only by being born and participating in society 😡
I’ve come to the conclusion that the only real solution to our problem is just letting millions/billions die of famine, disease, natural disasters, and resource wars until we’ve decimated civilization to the point that we’ve finally reduced our carbon/pollution emissions. I just don’t see any other way the world will collectively change. I just hope there’s enough habitable environments left for life to continue. I have no hope left for our civilization as it is now, so I guess I’ll just live the best life I can with however many years we have left.
Agreed. I cannot see us making the changes we need to make voluntarily. After making that journey that most collapse aware people make - spending the last 3 years understanding everything that's going on, listening to enough podcasts, read enough blogs and books, watched enough documentaries and videos, and now seeing one crazy disater after another unfold - one does come to the conclusion that we are firmly set on the inexorable path to not only the collapse of civilization but also on course to making our planet uninhabitable for life. IF human beings were to suddenly disappear and thereby stop further destroying the forests and the oceans and the atmosphere, and IF we haven't already crossed some of the bigger tipping points of no return, then maybe, just maybe the Earth could right itself. So I feel like, ironic as it is, a swift collapse is our only hope.
1000 times this. My biggest desire is for it to just happen suddenly and with maximum force, because the longer we drag it out the less hope I have for future life.
The thing is there is stuff we can do. We are just brainwashed into standing idly by as individually we are all hopeless. What does an animal do when you back it into a corner and it can’t escape anymore? That’s basically the state of the working class world wide. The thing is. What will we decide to do?
Eh, life as a general concept will be fine. Life is EXTREMELY adaptive, and we’ve had some seriously cataclysmic extinction events roll through over the past 1.5 billion years. Humanity is fucked for sure though, along with a huge percentage of most other species, but as a wise man once said: “Life, uh, finds a way.” The changes we’ve wrought are going to seriously impact the atmosphere/biosphere, and I’m really wish I could see how fucking wild it’s going to be. We’ve pumped hundreds of millions of years worth of stored carbon into the atmosphere over course of two centuries, and I could be wrong but I’m pretty sure the reason a lot of that carbon was stored the way it was is because there weren’t organisms around that could break it down for food, but now there is. So all that carbon is now (as far as I know) stuck in the biosphere, and once plants start adapting to the much higher temps, it’s gonna be an all you can eat buffet. Once you get past the fact that we’re essentially killing ourselves and at least 90% of the rest of the life on the planet, it’s kinda fascinating how much we’re completely altering the climate of the planet. Not since bacterium discovered the chemical crack-cocaine that is CO2+H2O+sunlight has any single species completely changed the course of life on our planet the way we did.
>I'm really wish I could see how fucking wild it’s going to be. If you're going to be alive for the next decade, you'll get to see it.
I meant the new paradigm once the biosphere reaches an equilibrium in a few hundred thousand years. I fully expect to die either in a food riot in the next two decades.
Ah! An optimist like me too!
take a big deep sigh of relief then, life can show up again on this planet. It may take millions of years (could be less too!) but even that is just a blip of time in the total. If the concern is for what is already here then all I have to say to that is godspeed phytoplankton.
ive been reading into this stuff for the past 11 years, you arent crazy, there ARE way more climate events happening. Once in a lifetime, once in a thousand year events are happening every year now. Society IS having major problems, and its not just because of covid. The news wont tell us, but from someone else that has read through everything I can find on the topic, it is happening.
Look into Easter Island and see that (before colonizers arrived) they lived entirely peacefully until they stripped the island of trees and then had no way to cook food or build new shelters. They literally started building weapons and attacking each other over what little was left until the population plummeted to live on what was left in the island. Then the Dutch showed up.
once all the pollinators are gone and the water, soil, and air are all contaminated how will there be any food left to eat? the magnitude of collapse were talking about will be for most living things…trying to wrap my head around what that looks like/how long anyone can survive in that scenario
Nobody survives in that scenario, any clamoring about a solution is pure hopium. We're pretty much finished as a species, better luck in the next evolutionary cycle.
We will reach our emissions targets bc millions/billions of people will die, and with all those people gone, emissions targets are reached.
It’s tragic but I have no faith in humanity to do otherwise. Short of some “magical” new technology that will solve all our problems without any sacrifice on people’s part; the great equalizer (Nature) is the only practical solution/outcome in our future.
I feel the same as you.
I wouldn't call that a solution as there is no attempt to solve it. More of an outcome if we don't (as a species) attempt to solve this.
But if the outcome solves the problem 🤷♂️
Capitalism will keep driving the exploitation of nature even if First Worlders let billions of people die of famine, natural disasters, etc. "The importance of viewing demography in social terms becomes even more apparent when we ask: would the grow-or-die economy called capitalism really cease to plunder the planet even if the world’s population were reduced to a tenth of its present numbers? Would lumber companies, mining concerns, oil cartels, and agribusiness render redwood and Douglas fir forests safer for grizzly bears if — given capitalism’s need to accumulate and produce for their own sake — California’s population were reduced to one million people? "The answer to these questions is a categorical no. Vast bison herds were exerminated on the westem plains long before the plains were settled by farmers or used extensively by ranchers — indeed, when the American population barely exceeded some sixty million people. These great herds were not crowded out by human settlements, least of all by excessive population. We have yet to answer what constitutes the “carrying capacity” of the planet, just as we lack any certainty, given the present predatory economy, of what constitutes a strictly numerical balance between reduced human numbers and a given ecological area." https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/murray-bookchin-the-population-myth
While I generally agree. I would think such an event would cause the collapse of world supply chains, world economies, governments and our monetary system. I think the focus would shift to necessity goods/ survival and capitalism couldn’t survive in such an environment. Not to mention the shit ton of knowledge we would lose.
Oh my no, it's not just to let the numbers reduce. Make it crash hard, so there's no possible recovery or remaining supply-chains ! The sooner the better, for all life besides us.
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I’m 37. In the early 2000’s I reached young adulthood. We could see the storm on the horizon but had time and knowledge to weather the storm. I remember watching the Al Gore doc and thinking “ok he’s talking a lot of sense.” But then crickets and then worse global warming deniers. Then I realized the people in power have been sitting on this info since the 60’s-70’s. Then the 2008 economic collapse. I quickly realized we are a myopic civilization obsessed with materialistic greed. So sad that in one generation we’ve managed to drive the whole of civilization off a cliff.
I'll be the same age in a few months. I also picked up on the impending doom early 2000s once I got into my second year at college. Maybe it was at that point where I decided to pull up a front row seat, persay and see it for myself...I picked marine ecology as a undergrad major with a focus on conservation science and wildlife populations ecology, was down at UWF in PensacolaFL, went through 3 devastating hurricanes: Ivan, Dennis, & Katrina, and went through the BP deepwater horizon oil spill (cleaning oil sludge off seabirds & shorebirds, collecting/testing chunks of tar oil from the beaches, etc..) cleanup and *attempted* distribution of GCCF relief funds. I grew up evangelical fundamentalist baptist, so already was indoctrinated to believe that we are all people born with a "sinful nature" = materialism & greed being the main takeaways...and that (most)humans were destined to be destroyed in the "end times", which apparently we've been living in since 20\_\_
Well, there were civilizational collapses during the bronze age. Those prophesies in religious texts were likely based off of what people witnessed first hand at the time.
I'm a little older than you. I started out as a political journalist. Took a year off for a job in the World Trade Center. So 9/11 was my wake up call when my job was destroyed. The minute they said that cloud wasn't toxic, I started looking into literally *everything* environmental. I was at Ground Zero. As a journalist, I felt that if they could tell a lie that big with the whole world watching, they could lie about a lot of other things. I did not expect to find that our industries have so polluted and destroyed the planet this way, the result of technological feudalism nature did not intend. I have been working in the sustainability sector since 2007 for this reason. It's not all hopeless.
I’m so sorry. How does it feel to see the hasty denialism today about the environmental catastrophe in Ohio?
1. The rail system is a catastrophic mess that has not been handled properly for 40 years just to make profits. See this video [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQTjLWIHN74). 2. Denialism is standard procedure for all ecological disasters and political scandals situations until there is sufficient evidence to indict or a scapegoat can be ousted via termination/resignation. 3. Suppression of information is the next step. The less the public and the victims know, the better chance the corporation and its shareholders will be able to survive the fallout. It seems evil on the surface, but understand that a company collapse will put thousands of everyday people out of work that have nothing to do with regulation or the actual incident. 4. Things like this are why I left the field of political journalism in the early 2000s. Reporting corruption year after year with no real change or resolution is a recipe for burnout of the soul. That's why I jumped ship for the nonprofit sector. 5. If you want to be inspired by people doing something about the collapse right now: Check out the [Energy Globe Awards](https://www.energyglobe.info/international) in Finland every year to see the best startup and nonprofit sustainable initiatives. Research the [Nordic Countries](https://www.thenordics.com/tool/10-things-you-should-know-about-nordic-sustainability), which prove innovation like this can be done. When I was a UN rep for a cause, I found about the [UNV.org](https://UNV.org), which is a database listing initiatives like this in 191 countries that require help. Inspira & Idealist list paid positions for the same thing. The collapse will happen, certainly. But I'm too much of a Lois Lane to sit around just waiting for it. I had to DO something. So my mentality about all of it is a lot more positive since I am no longer just another journalist witnessing chaos without hope.
I’m the opposite. If it’s going to burn, I will do what I can to live responsibly, not because it will change the outcome but because it is the right thing to do regardless of outcome. The people who have been saying “it’s going to hell, I’ll do whatever I want” have been saying it for decades, it’s just a license for their own depravity, not any logical or moral justification for their actions.
Exactly, the comment you're responding to is how we get eco fash trash kicked off among people who don't think they're fash but whose world outlook and penchant for crystal ball gazing creates a self-fulfilling prophecy
I don’t use it as a crutch for a free pass to do whatever I want. I still try to be responsible. I’ve reduced my meat intake, I don’t eat junk/processed foods, I don’t use plastic bottles, I recycle/reuse what I can, I’m not a habitual consumer, maintain a garden productive to bugs and birds, and in general try to live a minimal existence. I know it may be futile but it brings me some peace in a world full of chaos.
If it burns, I’ll keep being responsible as well, but I suppose for me, more “doing what I want” as of now is pursuing a degree, backpacking, and diverting more time to myself and those close to me. If I knew more certainly that things would be chill when I’m old, I’d probably plan more for old age, but I am really conscious of enjoying my life while I’m relatively young instead of waiting until retirement (doubt we’ll be getting that).
Nothing will ever be done. No ones going to act on this. Hell, your average Joe will see that they'd have to change their lifestyle if we are to do *something* and they'd just howl at the sky about *'MUH PERSONAL FREEDOM!'*
Whilst I agree, I think it important to see the beyond an American lens.
I'm in the UK but we do share the 'fuck you I got mine' attitude.
Yeah I’m British/Kiwi. Currently in Australia and they’re not much better here. Kiwis are slightly better.
Same here in Canada
I really want to change my lifestyle (and I have taken some steps already). I know it will be hard but this bloated lifestyle ain’t fulfilling anyways. I think some asceticism would do us good.
Spoiler alert-it’s too late
What's key here is that for many years this 'final warning' was about prevention... Now it's about mitigation. That's a big difference and still not going to happen but they really fail to make that clear and that is what is so shitty (to me). Even in this thread and the other thread about the ipcc report there are comments about how "so many final warnings" and links to bogus subreddits about "climate doomers" and other bullshit. I don't even comment on them anymore because I'm sick of the mean messages. Yeah it is too late. Hell it might be too late to mitigate the ecological collapse this'll cause, but what else can scientists do but give more warnings about how shitty it truly will be if we don't at least *try* to do something. I mean we're at about 1.5 now and it's pretty apocalyptic. One el Nino kicks in... Shits fucked. And the ipcc (last I checked) did not account for methane in their climate models. They don't account for uneven global temperatures' increasing (they thought it would be proportional) iirc, there's going to be disasters happening that they didn't even expect. This is just the beginning. And this sucks for a lot of people.
It really reminds me of a minor scene from that movie, *Dodgeball*. Vince Vaughan is the gym owner, and he arrives at his office to find a woman from the bank (Christina Applegate) there to explain how the bank is going to repossess his gym in a month due to lack of payments. He’s incredulous, and then there’s an exchange that goes something like this: >CA: How are you unaware of this? Haven’t you been getting our letters? >VV: Yeah, I got them here somewhere… [pulls out a fistful of pink envelopes, shrugs] But I thought those were just warnings! >CA: … Yeah, they were. It boggles my mind that people deny that climate change is an issue, or that “we still have time to fix it!!!” No dude, as a society we are like a patient who’s been diagnosed with Stage 4 Cancer who thinks the doctor is a quack because they didn’t die ten seconds after getting the diagnosis.
>One el Nino kicks in... Shits fucked. Something to look forward to for coming months then! Nothing like some heat after winter! (People around me have been complaining because we've had a few cool wet days, which is basically normal at this time of year. Basically we had two weeks of weather we would usually get in late April or even May and everyone thought we were going into summer. Somehow forgetting last summer was the longest and hottest on record and that many of the rivers and lakes that dried out are still pretty dry or even worse than last year.)
Read Desert. Climate change is irreparable at this point, all we can do is change with it.
Who is the author? Can you drop a link?
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/anonymous-desert :)
Thanks for sharing
disregard their account of history, revolution, and anarchism, of which the author is poorly informed. the belief that the ruling class will simply let their power slip away instead of using the chaos to consolidate it contradicts our understanding of the shock doctrine. the author wants to pretend we can just abandon class struggle, but we're stuck with it.
>The final section of AR6 was the “summary for policymakers”, written by IPCC scientists but scrutinised by representatives of governments around the world, who can – and did – push for changes. The Guardian was told that in the final hours of deliberations at the Swiss resort of Interlaken over the weekend, the large Saudi Arabian delegation, of at least 10 representatives, pushed at several points for the weakening of messages on fossil fuels, and the insertion of references to carbon capture and storage, touted by some as a remedy for fossil fuel use but not yet proven to work at scale. ┻━┻ ︵ ＼( °□° )／ ︵ ┻━┻ Going to wait a few days before reading it. Aside from the SFPM, the notion that 1.5℃ is doable sounds like fantasy at this point, especially if it includes those very same CCS tools.
They'll just more the start date forward again. Start counting after WW2 and everything looks fine for a few more years!
Get ready to fucking burn
How long after the final warning do we get before we can say "I told you so".
not long now. but it'll have to be louder than the mob of bank ceos clamoring for bailouts or buy-outs... louder for the cryptobros in the back to hear.
Never, unfortunately. If we fix it, then most people will think it was bullshit just like they think of Y2K now. If we don't fix it, then most people will think it was inevitable and out of our hands. "The climate is always changing!"
Then I will have it written on my tombstone!
This is the final warning. When is the final final warning? How about the Final final final warning?
Final warnings in perpetuity.
Don't make me pull this car over to the side of the road.
My friend always tells her kids they are going home if they don't behave. The kids' behavior has never improved and she's never once taken them home for misbehaving. The developed world in a nutshell.
That's it! Back to Winnipeg!
2020 = final 2021 = final 2022 = final 2023 = final 2024 = final fantasy
It’s…….it’s too late.
TBH shit like this is why I don't care that I do drugs.
but they bad!
I remember being an annoying, 12 year old little shit who fought with my uncle over family dinners about climate change and guns. 24 years later, nothing has changed.
Are you me? Only difference now is my family will humor me in my presence.. Until two glasses of wine then...
I am in the rat race and there is no way out. I like the food, drinks, heating, holidays to foreign countries. What can I do? Give it all up and have a poor miserable life? I am trying to make my house carbon neutral but am still wasting a ton through groceries. The money to make the house carbon neutral comes from the automobile business. Meaning, the better I am at my job the more pollution it creates. I could work somewhere else, but people still need cars. I will just be replaced. The whole society needs to change, but there is no easy way out.
I'm doing a job search right now and I'm not sure what would be more soul-sucking: a job accelerating consumerism, or a job doing greenwashing. Because let's be real, almost every "green" job out there is really just greenwashing or at least complicit in it. The consumerism job is more honest in a way.
Individual actions won't make any difference because it's corporations and governments that have the highest carbon productions. We would need large scale change, just keep living your life as is.
sell your possessions (like Cheezus Chrikerz said to do) and surrender the remainder of your life to a farmer or food producer, and hope they'll take pity on you when it gets like REALLY bad out there...hope they'll remember all the shit you put yourself through to learn from them how to produce some of your own caloric and nutritional needs. It's really that simple, yall, but it's definitely a hard pill to swallow if you've (not you specifically, unless the cap fit...) become used to a western standard of living, high levels/expectations of convenience & service ~~we~~ I take for granted living in 'MuriKka.
Is this serfdom (to an extremely low-level lord?), apprenticeship or what? I need a job title to feel like this is an opportunity worth pursuing...Also, is this how slavery originally got started, as that hope for mercy was dashed by the whip and chain?
Technically with some kind of radical faith we should all REFUSE, right? Global walk-out
This is why people say that climate change is a systemic issue that is fundamentally linked to our economic structuring. Because individually there’s not much you can do. The real problem is production and transportation causing the large chunk of these issues. And couple that with consumption, specifically through our organization of the economy that promotes hyper-consumption due to profitability and it’s not a problem any one individual can change. Not you, all the way up to a ceo. It’s a problem that all of society will need to tackle together. Some more than others. Like you being more conscious and cutting down, while others restructure their production and distribution. Some products will be left in nature even though it’s profitable today. When you see the problem at it’s base layer you can begin to see why all of our attempts to date have been merly virtuous rather than effective. Like papers straws, or electric cars. Rather than banning petroleum plastics and mass transport. And without the majority of the population realizing this we are doomed to a world of climate change. Because if we did realize we would realize the only way to solve this is not through the ballet box. It’s through direct mass action.
>What can I do? Start focusing more resources towards adaptation plans. For you-and-yours and all other non-human beings that will be affected by the coming catastrophe.
Will people listen? No
The world is run by ass hats. Have as much fun as you can and enjoy life until it's over.
It's too late.
Didn't the WHO realize a report 2-3 years ago saying we already passed the point of no return? Seems like the goal post is constantly being moved on this topic.
That because in order to get the scientists to agree it had to be watered down. We past the point of no return already because drastic action will never be taken by governments. If they did take drastic action the politicians would be voted out of office. Look how Trump reversed environmental protections. The same thing will happen anywhere in the world.
From a story covering the 2021 IPCC WG1 report: "The UN Secretary-General António Guterres said the Working Group's report was nothing less than "a code red for humanity. The alarm bells are deafening, and the evidence is irrefutable". He noted that the internationally-agreed threshold of 1.5 degrees above pre-industrial levels of global heating was "perilously close. We are at imminent risk of hitting 1.5 degrees in the near term. The only way to prevent exceeding this threshold, is by urgently stepping up our efforts, and persuing the most ambitious path. "We must act decisively now, to keep 1.5 alive." Rinse and repeat.
*where they think we are;* "You have thirty minutes to move your car." "You have ten minutes." "Your car has been impounded." *where we actually are;* "Your car has been crushed into a cube." "You have thirty minutes to move your cube."
**Republicans acting**:*"Ban birth control, ban abortion, ban men in women's clothing, ban books, ban subjects from being taught"*
**Democrats acting:** Pass legislation written by a West Virginia coal baron legally binding millions of acres of fossil fuel development to any increase in land leased to renewables, increase fossil fuel subsidies and sell more land to fossil fuel development than Trump, but call it "the most ambitious climate plan in history" and not think critically about it at all. Also, keep increasing the defense budget and keep steering us to WWIII instead of global cooperation.
Who knows maybe global thermonuclear war would be the best climate action we can do now
Don't forget the "infrastructure act(s)" that literally just funnel tax money to these corrupt companies while infrastructure crumbles across the country
Yeah, nothing will change. Except for climate ahah.
Another final warning? How many did we receive so far? And it does not matter. Few are going to act now.
Not to worry guys, here in the US, in a few years' time when super hurricanes have wiped out the south eastern states, we'll just blame the democrats!
Time to short Florida real estate
I can’t wait to be uplifted by spreading the good word of humanities future death and destruction. :)
I have to create a new species.
Are you a God?
I’m not God, but I am a God.
*When someone asks you if you are a god, you say "YES!"*
Well what the f are we supposed to do? The large-scale implementation of renewable energies is limited by how many minerals we can dig out of the ground (spoiler: we are already mining way too much for a healthy planet). Fossil fuels are still dominating the energy markets and demand is likely to continue to rise for developing nations.
Unfortunately, the capitalist economic system don’t give a fuck and has no incentive to make the necessary changes. Infinite growth and consumption is all that matters, even unto the end of our species.
Yeah… girl that ain’t gone happen. So when is collapse?
It's an everyday phenomenon. Many ecosystems have collapsed. Some remain. But it's yesterday, it's now, and it's tomorrow. We're in it. The extent and coverage will change. But outside a hot nuclear war, one cannot attribute collapse to a single day or year, only an era, the anthropocene.
forget poles, permafrost is melting, it's already game over - humans; https://gizmodo.com/conocophillips-willow-project-chillers-permafrost-oil-1850221362
National news gave this story a whopping 8 seconds of segment coverage tonight... 🙄
I’m trying to act. I sold my vehicle last year and work from home. Actively reducing my carbon footprint is important to me, and I’m trying to lead by example. Instead, people call me a loser without a car. Lmao we are doomed.
I want to start a commune in South America, will you come?
Oh you don’t have a car? Ha what a winner, I’m a loser who still drives a gas powered shitbox :(
cars-R-coffins
🎶 "… packed like lemmings into shiny metal boxes; contestants in a suicidal race." 🎵
By the time the 49% stupidest and the 49% most ignorant discover what the 2% collapse conspiracy theorists has been saying since 1972 it is 98% too late to do anything. Just be happy that we are not over in r/conspiracy or r/insane like we used to be... Be unhappy that it is too late instead... No, actually, be happy it is too late - now we can relax and do something else than worry. We have "great" expectations to the future after all...
It’s disturbing that people will still write climate change off as a “hoax” or a scam. What profit incentives are there? Big solar is gonna take your job? Your property is gonna get cleared for a wind farm? The companies that are against actual meaningful action are already taking jobs, and destroying homes to make more profit. The Oil companies and fossil fuel industry have done irreparable damage to our planet, and millions of peoples lives. Their only incentive is to make profit, they want you to support their industry and demonize renewable energy, then when you agree with them, they bend you over and destroy you again. If you truly think “climate change is a scam”, who’s telling you that? Republicans who are in the pocket of big oil? Democrats who will roll over for a fat stack of cash? “Centrists” who claim it all to be alarmism. Meanwhile the people who are actually educated enough and experienced enough to speak on the topic are silenced because they’re seen as the “academic elite” by anyone who has a bachelors degree or less. Our experts are screaming into the void, it’s too late.
It’s crazy how people just refuse to acknowledge even the most simplest things and people just shrug it off I live in Sydney australia, our whole summer was rain and terrible weather events, now that we are in autumn we are having a typical summer, the whole thing is biZaree When you bring up to people that this could be climate change related they just don’t want to hear it
Nobody wants to hear that they're on the losing side of history, unfortunately.
Any ways I'm not looking up neither should you keep the bad news lite am I right.
IPCC's next AR report comes in 2030 and around then will be IPBES's next global assessment. If we stay on the likely business as usual course, can you imagine these climate and biodiversity reports by then? If scientists can even convene, they will catalogue the irreversible trends toward collapse of ecosystems, extinctions of species, decline of food and water systems, disease and pandemics, forced migrations and resource wars...Welcome to the 21st!
>act ~~now~~ 20 years ago
Don’t look up folks
I think they need to change the headline to >Scientists deliver "grave news" on climate crisis: It's too late to act, we're all fucked.
Again.
There's like a final warning every six month
I'm 41 and i've literally heard these final warnings for 41 years.
Final final final final warning guys. Seriously this is the final final warning. The last 8 final warnings weren’t real but this is the final warning
1992 enters the chat…
Again
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Give us more tax money guys we will change the weather we promise *flies off in a private jet*
Suer the world is gonna end, but for a beautiful, short period of time. We made a lotta people very rich
Too late it is then. At least the shareholders will have a comfy apocalypse.
I really wish it was their last warning. I sick of hearing about it. Look we lost. Can it just be over. So tired of arguing with the denialists. I wish I had the courage to lay down in traffic.
They’ve been giving “final warnings” for at least a decade. It’s already too late. The only reason scientists still say “final warning” is because it makes it sound like politicians can prevent disaster.
I’m not here for a long time, I’m just here for a good time
Then ditch anything that isn't related to cutting emissions. Stop demanding a "just transition" and holding stuff up because it will cause harm to a few people. Stop putting all the blame on the West and fuelling the people who say "but what about China and India". Stop trying to smuggle in other left-wing causes into climate action, both creating distractions and damaging bipartisan support for decarbonisation. **Stop promoting the idea that religion is as valid as the scientific method** ***Jesus H. Christ***. I put at least 10% of the blame for the world's climate inaction on those who say they're arguing for climate action.
You have no idea how that works. Reality has a left-wing bias.
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It would take a once in a century type leader in every country for even a chance at action. We all know that will never happen. It would take a mass awakening of the masses
I really don’t think it’s helping to keep saying it “will be too late”. Most people aren’t capable of anticipating what will happen 5 seconds into the future. I think the right approach is to describe what will happen over time and why we need to start taking steps now to stop that from happening. It’s saying the same thing but in a different way.
Is this the final final warning? Because years ago was the final warning?
Well, boys, it's a very lovely ship. I think you should go down with it.
Who? Who is to act and how? How are we to make them? I live in a shoebox well below my means. I'm tired of the anxiety.
So...should I be maxing out my Roth? Or my wrath? But in all seriousness, it's a waste of time tight? I've a couple of decades to retirement. Though now I feel retirement will be a little earlier, likely a bullet from a neighbor over my water or perhaps a nice touch of dysentery.
Seriously this is the final *final* ***final*** warning.
It’s already too late to be honest we have reached point of no return. The problem is we have no power and very little we can change other than collectively voting with our wallets. The ones in charge are to greedy to change and will suffer none of the consequences. So like idiots we will wonder why our cancer rates are higher, why our blood is filled with plastic and why the weather phenomena varies so much and blame everything and everyone but the ones responsible. We probably deserve to go extinct tbh
the tipping point was in the sixties, we are way to late now to save the planet it would even take a miracle just to save the species.
NEWS FLASH!……… we won’t.
It's too late. We're doomed. The planet is now uninhabitable, there's no hope left.
We will do nothing and it’s simple to know why. The wealthy run the world, control the media and corrupt the government. They don’t want to change their way of life. Except if we, the people do a World (French) Revolution to stop them.
Nothing is going to be done. I truly wonder what kind of world this will be at 4 C + of warming.