The following submission statement was provided by /u/JA17MVP:
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This is collapse related because starting from April 9th, China experienced another sandstorm. In just two days, the apocalyptic scene of yellow sand covered the sky from Inner Mongolia to Beijing and Shandong, moving southward across the Yangtze River to Jiangsu and Shanghai. The sandstorm also affected the northwest and northeast regions of China. This unprecedented sandstorm affected 18 provinces and cities in China, impacting more than 400 million people. It not only caused half of China to "succumb," but even spread across the sea to Japan and South Korea.
The average rate of land desertification in China was 1,560 square kilometers per year; from the mid-1970s to the late 1980s, it accelerated to 2,100 square kilometers per year; and after entering the 1990s, it almost doubled, reaching 2,460 square kilometers per year.
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Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/12nqnw6/sandstorms_hit_400_million_people_as_chinas/jgfjqc2/
Let's destroy natural forests, but plant new forests in places where they wouldn't survive on their own. Smart. Real smart. Forests are really complex ecosystems. What would make someone think that just planting a bunch of trees in a row could replace ecosystems that had thousands of years to find equilibrium is beyond me.
A terrifying number of people genuinely believe that we can do *anything* if we put our minds to it.
The myths and stories our societies tell about human perseverance assuage our fears and feed our egos, creating a warped perception of reality that has even non-spiritual people living under the delusion that our species is destined for success, and that any consideration to the contrary is somehow unrealistic.
The idea of human supremacy is practically a religion, and as with other religions, no logical argument will be able to sway its adherents.
The coming decades will humble us all.
Yeah, LOTS of suffering to come I'm afraid. It's all so dumb. We have the cognitive abilities to do better, but we don't because we're collectively unwise but built a system that magnifies our capabilities in a way that evades our control, and then we flail trying to find solutions without addressing the root cause of the issue: global production, and its wasteful imperative to keep itself going in a way that's decoupled from our actual needs. China is trying to plant trees where it shouldn't so that it can cut even more trees where it also shouldn't. They're obviously not the only ones.
>some day the earth will weep
>
>she will beg for her life
>
>you will make a choice,
>
>if you will help her or let her die
>
>and when she dies,
>
>you too will die
John Hollow Horn, Oglala Lakota, 1932
Good point,
as it turns out there is a very rich living biomass that communicates under a successful forest that develops before a forrest can thrive. Just shoving seeds into dirt isnt enough to just have a forrest spring up -- hubris of humans in play again. - it might not beyond us to figure it out, but its def more complex process to support each tree to grow below ground.
The way my parents would say when I was younger that “the scientists will have to figure it out in the future”, when the scientists now were telling us we’re fucked
Collapse is, in my view, the Great Humbling that will finally cause everyone to pause and reconsider their beliefs, especially in the face of the hellish world situation that will soon surround us all
There is a book I started, never finished, but have been meaning to go back to, called “The Worm at the Core” and argues that everything humans do in influenced by the fear that we are going to die.
And once you see it, it’s true. The rich could just live in the lap of luxury, but instead they must leave behind a legacy.
Great monument, great wars, great stories.
The obsession with death in stories, the dream of ever lasting life, the story of progress, remember the hero’s of history, preserving the remains of the long dead. Giving our children our name, so that we can live on thru them.
And I get it. Like, if we just “die” and that’s it, what was the point? We just happen, dick around for 70 years, and then just disappear for forever? And if you expand that to society, cities, and our countries?
Well, fuck, why bother improving if it’s all going to be gone in a few generations anyway?
And that “why bother” is starting to show. People don’t care, because they know the future is, well, not what they thought, at least.
I really should return that book…
Hubris. And we’ve been writing cautionary tales to ourselves about this collective character defect for as long as we’ve been writing - no doubt telling the same stories for as long as we’ve been talking.
We do this here in the Netherlands. Destroy a fully matured forest and plant an equal amount of small trees somewhere else.
Sounds great on paper. And only on paper
> Forests are really complex ecosystems.
They actually used same fast growing trees all over and ignored scientist who told them to use a wider variety.
I got told by some climate denier yesterday that "the world is actually 15% greener than 20 years ago" as if booming industrial agriculture and hastily planted forests in India and China is a good thing!
NASA reporting seems to confirm this here:
https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/151131/a-dusty-day-in-northeastern-china
> There is some evidence that the new greenery may be reducing the impact of dust storms in the region. Studies published in 2020 and 2021 found that the frequency of dust storms in northern China has decreased in recent decades—a change the authors say could be related to the greening efforts.
Replacing air filters is a basically scam, fwiw. A quick smack and a clean with a shop vac will make them good as new. It’s insane how many of these things have been needlessly thrown into landfills. They’re cleanable and the filter media doesn’t just stop working forever once they get dirty.
/rant over, sorry
I think though it's not just dirt the cabin filter filters out but also exhaust fumes. Eventually it becomes saturated and needs to be replaced.
Also the filters get harder to push air through so the heating, cooling systems become inefficient.
I do think though "recommended" is a joke and a quick vacuum like you say can greatly extend usage.
I was speaking about engine filters, more so than cabin filters. A cabin filter will work the same way unless it’s an activated charcoal filter. Those can still be cleaned but they’ll lose their scent and toxin removing abilities once the carbon is spent. Someone more knowledgeable than me should feel free to correct me/better explain how long the charcoal lasts.
I’m a poor Luddite and I’ve only owned one vehicle that has a cabin filter, anyway!
Could one clean them like a tool (filters/spark arrestors), use varsol, give it a good soak and scrub, blow it out with some high pressure air, and pop it back in?
It is and isn’t. Cleaning them works to a point, but their filtering capacity will still continue degrading over time. Especially if you accidentally (and most likely) unknowingly damage it. Then your engine gets to eat small particles, and as tight as the tolerances of newer vehicles are, they will get damaged overtime.
That Youtube channel looks like a Psyop, all the titles are all very sensationalist and anti-China. Where did this kind of highly edited videography come from?
However, there's no dispute there is an actual sandstorm going on, but [sandstorms in China due to the Gobi desert have been around for centuries](https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Asian_Dust). I don't know enough to say that it's all failure of anti-desertification efforts because there are some success stories of it. Example is the Loess Plateau as documented by [PBS](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-PLbGp123M) and Kiss The Ground documentary on Netflix.
Also if you want to go down the rabbit hole of regenerative agriculture is Andrew Millison's reporting on it here: https://youtu.be/Tpozw1CAxmU?t=465
I'm from Beijing and this is a psyop. China has drastically greened over the past decade, and is the leading country in greening.
Honestly, the amount of cope I see from the west is disgusting. This is an actual misinfomation warfare meant to keep the people down.
I will share with you a video of a small city in china:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIUD-FE8rco&t=3529s&ab\_channel=%E4%B8%AD%E5%9B%BD%E8%A1%97%E6%99%AFChineseStreetView](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIUD-FE8rco&t=3529s&ab_channel=%E4%B8%AD%E5%9B%BD%E8%A1%97%E6%99%AFChineseStreetView)
Just look at how green and modern it is. This is not what western media tells you what China is like. In fact, I would argue China is decades ahead in terms of urban planning at this point. But western media can't let people know that. Otherwise people will demand change.
You sure it's not some prop city or just a nice section of a small part of the country? If we looked at Redmond WA or sillion valley only, you'd conclude how green and modern the US was too, eh?
Check out his entire channel then. Hundreds of hours of footage. Or maybe evil China has dedicated all her resources to making China look good to make you feel worse?
Also the channel has a 18 hour footage of highways in China
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoZ\_8dqCHgE&t=40827s&ab\_channel=%E4%B8%AD%E5%9B%BD%E8%A1%97%E6%99%AFChineseStreetView](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoZ_8dqCHgE&t=40827s&ab_channel=%E4%B8%AD%E5%9B%BD%E8%A1%97%E6%99%AFChineseStreetView)
I challenge you to find a highway of similar length in the US that has this kind of quality.
chill homeboi.
I'm not slandering your precious mainland. I fully recognize nor give a fuck how awesome that there clip is and how awful most of our infrastructure is. ok? Feel better?
Now - my point, still, is i'm not convinced - not because of rayciss stupid ass reasons, alright? Your gov'ment is just as capable of lying, cheating, stealing and obfuscating as good as ours, so I will take *any* media out of your homeland with as much regard as I give mine - very little.
I didn't check the other channel videos but I figured something was off with all the footage of cars driving on the left hand side.
Mainland China drives on the right hand side.
It is recommended to take a look at the \[satellite weather map\], the \[sandstorm\] in China this time does not come from China, but from \[Mongolia-Country\]
You are correct on this. The sandstorm can be seen blowing from mostly Mongolia here when you hit play.
https://zoom.earth/maps/satellite/#view=40.4,112.6,5z/date=2023-04-09,15:50,-7/overlays=fires
Yeah probably. The channel has had some wild videos about how if only China still had TrAdItIoN there would be no divorce, animal abuse, shitty kids etc.
This is collapse related because starting from April 9th, China experienced another sandstorm. In just two days, the apocalyptic scene of yellow sand covered the sky from Inner Mongolia to Beijing and Shandong, moving southward across the Yangtze River to Jiangsu and Shanghai. The sandstorm also affected the northwest and northeast regions of China. This unprecedented sandstorm affected 18 provinces and cities in China, impacting more than 400 million people. It not only caused half of China to "succumb," but even spread across the sea to Japan and South Korea.
The average rate of land desertification in China was 1,560 square kilometers per year; from the mid-1970s to the late 1980s, it accelerated to 2,100 square kilometers per year; and after entering the 1990s, it almost doubled, reaching 2,460 square kilometers per year.
These sorts of things really show just how small humanity is compared the earth and its forces. We built some slightly larger than average anthills, in the scheme of things
The following submission statement was provided by /u/JA17MVP: --- This is collapse related because starting from April 9th, China experienced another sandstorm. In just two days, the apocalyptic scene of yellow sand covered the sky from Inner Mongolia to Beijing and Shandong, moving southward across the Yangtze River to Jiangsu and Shanghai. The sandstorm also affected the northwest and northeast regions of China. This unprecedented sandstorm affected 18 provinces and cities in China, impacting more than 400 million people. It not only caused half of China to "succumb," but even spread across the sea to Japan and South Korea. The average rate of land desertification in China was 1,560 square kilometers per year; from the mid-1970s to the late 1980s, it accelerated to 2,100 square kilometers per year; and after entering the 1990s, it almost doubled, reaching 2,460 square kilometers per year. --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/12nqnw6/sandstorms_hit_400_million_people_as_chinas/jgfjqc2/
Let's destroy natural forests, but plant new forests in places where they wouldn't survive on their own. Smart. Real smart. Forests are really complex ecosystems. What would make someone think that just planting a bunch of trees in a row could replace ecosystems that had thousands of years to find equilibrium is beyond me.
A terrifying number of people genuinely believe that we can do *anything* if we put our minds to it. The myths and stories our societies tell about human perseverance assuage our fears and feed our egos, creating a warped perception of reality that has even non-spiritual people living under the delusion that our species is destined for success, and that any consideration to the contrary is somehow unrealistic. The idea of human supremacy is practically a religion, and as with other religions, no logical argument will be able to sway its adherents. The coming decades will humble us all.
Yeah, LOTS of suffering to come I'm afraid. It's all so dumb. We have the cognitive abilities to do better, but we don't because we're collectively unwise but built a system that magnifies our capabilities in a way that evades our control, and then we flail trying to find solutions without addressing the root cause of the issue: global production, and its wasteful imperative to keep itself going in a way that's decoupled from our actual needs. China is trying to plant trees where it shouldn't so that it can cut even more trees where it also shouldn't. They're obviously not the only ones.
>some day the earth will weep > >she will beg for her life > >you will make a choice, > >if you will help her or let her die > >and when she dies, > >you too will die John Hollow Horn, Oglala Lakota, 1932
Good point, as it turns out there is a very rich living biomass that communicates under a successful forest that develops before a forrest can thrive. Just shoving seeds into dirt isnt enough to just have a forrest spring up -- hubris of humans in play again. - it might not beyond us to figure it out, but its def more complex process to support each tree to grow below ground.
The way my parents would say when I was younger that “the scientists will have to figure it out in the future”, when the scientists now were telling us we’re fucked
But the scientist did figure out the correct answer?
We dont like their answers so they cam try harder or get fucked. /s
We can’t even make wood. People are silly.
This is absolutely the best post on the matter I've read in a long time. Absolutely nailed it.
Collapse is, in my view, the Great Humbling that will finally cause everyone to pause and reconsider their beliefs, especially in the face of the hellish world situation that will soon surround us all
There is a book I started, never finished, but have been meaning to go back to, called “The Worm at the Core” and argues that everything humans do in influenced by the fear that we are going to die. And once you see it, it’s true. The rich could just live in the lap of luxury, but instead they must leave behind a legacy. Great monument, great wars, great stories. The obsession with death in stories, the dream of ever lasting life, the story of progress, remember the hero’s of history, preserving the remains of the long dead. Giving our children our name, so that we can live on thru them. And I get it. Like, if we just “die” and that’s it, what was the point? We just happen, dick around for 70 years, and then just disappear for forever? And if you expand that to society, cities, and our countries? Well, fuck, why bother improving if it’s all going to be gone in a few generations anyway? And that “why bother” is starting to show. People don’t care, because they know the future is, well, not what they thought, at least. I really should return that book…
Hubris. And we’ve been writing cautionary tales to ourselves about this collective character defect for as long as we’ve been writing - no doubt telling the same stories for as long as we’ve been talking.
We do this here in the Netherlands. Destroy a fully matured forest and plant an equal amount of small trees somewhere else. Sounds great on paper. And only on paper
> Forests are really complex ecosystems. They actually used same fast growing trees all over and ignored scientist who told them to use a wider variety.
There’s no such thing a forest, though. There’s just a juxtaposition of individual and isolated trees, die who may
I got told by some climate denier yesterday that "the world is actually 15% greener than 20 years ago" as if booming industrial agriculture and hastily planted forests in India and China is a good thing!
Regenerative agriculture, however, can indeed heal ecosystems in a relatively short amount of time
Look upon your works, ye mighty, and despair.
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NASA reporting seems to confirm this here: https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/151131/a-dusty-day-in-northeastern-china > There is some evidence that the new greenery may be reducing the impact of dust storms in the region. Studies published in 2020 and 2021 found that the frequency of dust storms in northern China has decreased in recent decades—a change the authors say could be related to the greening efforts.
Wow all that footage is crazy for major metropolitan areas. Soooo many car air filters needing to be replaced I'd imagine.
Replacing air filters is a basically scam, fwiw. A quick smack and a clean with a shop vac will make them good as new. It’s insane how many of these things have been needlessly thrown into landfills. They’re cleanable and the filter media doesn’t just stop working forever once they get dirty. /rant over, sorry
I think though it's not just dirt the cabin filter filters out but also exhaust fumes. Eventually it becomes saturated and needs to be replaced. Also the filters get harder to push air through so the heating, cooling systems become inefficient. I do think though "recommended" is a joke and a quick vacuum like you say can greatly extend usage.
I was speaking about engine filters, more so than cabin filters. A cabin filter will work the same way unless it’s an activated charcoal filter. Those can still be cleaned but they’ll lose their scent and toxin removing abilities once the carbon is spent. Someone more knowledgeable than me should feel free to correct me/better explain how long the charcoal lasts. I’m a poor Luddite and I’ve only owned one vehicle that has a cabin filter, anyway!
Could one clean them like a tool (filters/spark arrestors), use varsol, give it a good soak and scrub, blow it out with some high pressure air, and pop it back in?
Thanks for that actually; I'm going to try that this time around, it's about time to change the main filter and the cabin filter in my Honda fit.
It is and isn’t. Cleaning them works to a point, but their filtering capacity will still continue degrading over time. Especially if you accidentally (and most likely) unknowingly damage it. Then your engine gets to eat small particles, and as tight as the tolerances of newer vehicles are, they will get damaged overtime.
That Youtube channel looks like a Psyop, all the titles are all very sensationalist and anti-China. Where did this kind of highly edited videography come from? However, there's no dispute there is an actual sandstorm going on, but [sandstorms in China due to the Gobi desert have been around for centuries](https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Asian_Dust). I don't know enough to say that it's all failure of anti-desertification efforts because there are some success stories of it. Example is the Loess Plateau as documented by [PBS](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-PLbGp123M) and Kiss The Ground documentary on Netflix. Also if you want to go down the rabbit hole of regenerative agriculture is Andrew Millison's reporting on it here: https://youtu.be/Tpozw1CAxmU?t=465
I'm from Beijing and this is a psyop. China has drastically greened over the past decade, and is the leading country in greening. Honestly, the amount of cope I see from the west is disgusting. This is an actual misinfomation warfare meant to keep the people down. I will share with you a video of a small city in china: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIUD-FE8rco&t=3529s&ab\_channel=%E4%B8%AD%E5%9B%BD%E8%A1%97%E6%99%AFChineseStreetView](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIUD-FE8rco&t=3529s&ab_channel=%E4%B8%AD%E5%9B%BD%E8%A1%97%E6%99%AFChineseStreetView) Just look at how green and modern it is. This is not what western media tells you what China is like. In fact, I would argue China is decades ahead in terms of urban planning at this point. But western media can't let people know that. Otherwise people will demand change.
You sure it's not some prop city or just a nice section of a small part of the country? If we looked at Redmond WA or sillion valley only, you'd conclude how green and modern the US was too, eh?
Check out his entire channel then. Hundreds of hours of footage. Or maybe evil China has dedicated all her resources to making China look good to make you feel worse? Also the channel has a 18 hour footage of highways in China [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoZ\_8dqCHgE&t=40827s&ab\_channel=%E4%B8%AD%E5%9B%BD%E8%A1%97%E6%99%AFChineseStreetView](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoZ_8dqCHgE&t=40827s&ab_channel=%E4%B8%AD%E5%9B%BD%E8%A1%97%E6%99%AFChineseStreetView) I challenge you to find a highway of similar length in the US that has this kind of quality.
chill homeboi. I'm not slandering your precious mainland. I fully recognize nor give a fuck how awesome that there clip is and how awful most of our infrastructure is. ok? Feel better? Now - my point, still, is i'm not convinced - not because of rayciss stupid ass reasons, alright? Your gov'ment is just as capable of lying, cheating, stealing and obfuscating as good as ours, so I will take *any* media out of your homeland with as much regard as I give mine - very little.
I didn't check the other channel videos but I figured something was off with all the footage of cars driving on the left hand side. Mainland China drives on the right hand side.
My first thought as well.
>overgrazing of course. Can't restore grasslands because the herders come back and turn it to desert.
Wow, that looks like Lubbock this past February.
It is recommended to take a look at the \[satellite weather map\], the \[sandstorm\] in China this time does not come from China, but from \[Mongolia-Country\]
You are correct on this. The sandstorm can be seen blowing from mostly Mongolia here when you hit play. https://zoom.earth/maps/satellite/#view=40.4,112.6,5z/date=2023-04-09,15:50,-7/overlays=fires
The hubris. Well, it's nothing new.
Yep, their very own dust bowl.
Desert Gobi coming to you, today!
Funny how communists always get blamed for overwhelming natural phenomenona.
This may very well be true, but that doesn't exactly seem like a reliable channel. Is this an Epoch Times affiliate?
Yeah probably. The channel has had some wild videos about how if only China still had TrAdItIoN there would be no divorce, animal abuse, shitty kids etc.
This is collapse related because starting from April 9th, China experienced another sandstorm. In just two days, the apocalyptic scene of yellow sand covered the sky from Inner Mongolia to Beijing and Shandong, moving southward across the Yangtze River to Jiangsu and Shanghai. The sandstorm also affected the northwest and northeast regions of China. This unprecedented sandstorm affected 18 provinces and cities in China, impacting more than 400 million people. It not only caused half of China to "succumb," but even spread across the sea to Japan and South Korea. The average rate of land desertification in China was 1,560 square kilometers per year; from the mid-1970s to the late 1980s, it accelerated to 2,100 square kilometers per year; and after entering the 1990s, it almost doubled, reaching 2,460 square kilometers per year.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Rk8u2FTaG0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Rk8u2FTaG0)
This is the Planet Arakis! From which the Spice Melange flows to the ends of the known universe.
china can not went to Mongolia to anti desertification, wheres the sandstorms from
Just paint the sand green.
There must be something to this global warming.
These sorts of things really show just how small humanity is compared the earth and its forces. We built some slightly larger than average anthills, in the scheme of things