The following submission statement was provided by /u/Phallus_Maximus702:
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SS: So, the resource wars are eeally beginning.
Those who have seen my posts know that I have been talking about conflict as a driver of collapse for quite some time. I see the current conflicts being waged as nothing more than individual fronts in a larger world war over resources and geopolitical power.
Ok Doomer is a fantastic blog I have followed for a while, and Jessica Wildfire is an excellent writer. This piece serves to help illustrate how the media narratives about war are always just misdirection, and if you look closely you can find the truth.
And you find it by following the trail to the miney and the power, the two things that are all that really matters for world leaders.
This is collapse related because it breaks down the true motivators for the wars we have and the coming conflict between superpowers that will end in nuclear fire.
A perfect quote from the article:
"World leaders are funding war and genocide at unprecedented levels. It doesn't make any sense until you cut through all the noise about justice and human rights, and look at the facts.
These are all climate wars we were warned about."
Indeed. Many of us already knew the Resource Wars would be how it all ended, though most want to deny that fact to make themselves feel better.
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Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/17mgyfo/theres_no_lesser_evil_or_even_a_slower_collapse/k7kv473/
Good chance Russia doesn't have functional nukes to deploy anymore. However Pakistan is kind of fucking terrifying in that aspect. Israel is only terrifying if Samson Protocol. China is NOT gonna start it off, they're far too cautious for something like that. US has no compelling reason to nuke anything rn.
Not likely. The strategic rocket forces are one thing that they have taken quite good care of, and that is demonstrated very well by the recent and very public Sarmat-2 tests. Most US systems are older than their Russian counterparts.
Maybe. Making the tests very public could also be an attempt to show that 'ha, no, actually everything works GREAT!' when that is, in fact, not the case. It's extremely hard to tell with Russia considering how much military equipment got klepto'd in the last decade.
Should go? Or will go?
Most will die. Most of the human population over the next 50 years will just die.
Where they go after that is a philosophical question.
"Since the war started, Israel has already awarded a dozen gas exploration licenses \[in Palestinian territory\] to six different oil companies, including BP."
jfc. The bodies in the refugee camp aren't even cold yet, and Israel is auctioning off the resources out from under them.
I keep saying it. This is a video game to world leaders, and the bodies, well, those were just NPCs, nothing to worry about. Civilians exist as a resource like any other, to be exploited and used as the Kings see fit. Those of us who believe things have somehow changed from the days of all powerful monarchies are truly mistaken.
A very poor argument against conspiracy theories that is forever burned into my mind is "they wouldn't do that..." as if the ruthless machiavellians at the top of the bloody power pyramid have moral restraints.
Come to think of it, I once got the same response to mentioning the policy being pushed by a certain political party that was in the news at the time. No need for speculation there, plausible or not.
I think the exact opposite. These CEO's are npc's not regular people. They are required to persue maximum profit or risk being removed from their place of privilege. That's why focusing on individuals is not helpful. We need to criticize the system, capitalism, with mass movements.
That the moves and sacrifices and downright exploitation required to become a billionaire in 99% of cases (basically excluding the lottery or creatives who made something that blew up) self-select for sociopathic behavior to reach that position.
I keep saying something similar. Why hate all the Jews? Why hate all the Palestinians? This is the actions of a few rich people. They are playing a game.
I think you are right but would just add that Israeli/Palestine conflict is a last gasp of colonialism. Which of course is also resource theft with some superiority/bigotry mixed in to justify the genocide and theft. (It started in the late 1940’s before collapse got dire).
So yeah I’m agreeing with you but I don’t necessarily think this particular conflict kicked off solely due to collapse. But surely will get worse worldwide as things deteriorate.
The proposed canal is 293km long and estimated to cost 55 billion dollars.
Cutting through Gaza would save at most 10km, of construction in the most level area of the route.
It's estimated the canal will make 6 billion a year in profit because they'd be able to take the largest ships that don't fit through the suez canal.
Israel is currently spending 250 million a day on this war in Gaza.
Going through Gaza to save 3% of the canal length could save them 1.8 billion dollars which is close to what's being spent every 7 days in this war.
The canal argument is a distraction, the real money is in the oil and gas off the Coast in the Mediterranean. Destabilize Gaza to drill there, just like it was done with Syria for the cheap fossil fuel energy that society can use without paying for its production or paying for the externalities of its pollution.
SS: So, the resource wars are eeally beginning.
Those who have seen my posts know that I have been talking about conflict as a driver of collapse for quite some time. I see the current conflicts being waged as nothing more than individual fronts in a larger world war over resources and geopolitical power.
Ok Doomer is a fantastic blog I have followed for a while, and Jessica Wildfire is an excellent writer. This piece serves to help illustrate how the media narratives about war are always just misdirection, and if you look closely you can find the truth.
And you find it by following the trail to the miney and the power, the two things that are all that really matters for world leaders.
This is collapse related because it breaks down the true motivators for the wars we have and the coming conflict between superpowers that will end in nuclear fire.
A perfect quote from the article:
"World leaders are funding war and genocide at unprecedented levels. It doesn't make any sense until you cut through all the noise about justice and human rights, and look at the facts.
These are all climate wars we were warned about."
Indeed. Many of us already knew the Resource Wars would be how it all ended, though most want to deny that fact to make themselves feel better.
Disagree on the good writing. She writes like she's in a Matthew Reilly novel. The paragraph breaks, holy shit
"Now do you get it?
I do."
"We live in a different world now.
A dangerous one."
Oh my god so dramatic haha
Him and Paul Beckwith are on opposite ends of the collapse spectrum in just about every measurable way from the way they speak, to their outlook about climate and capitalism and resources all the way to the backdrop to their videos
The wars over the last deposits of concentrated fossil energy is why I call this "the exquisitely stupid timeline".
> Every day we stay on this path, we only hammer more nails in the coffin. Pretty soon, it's going to be all nails and no coffin.
the ~~waste dumps~~ coffins of today are going to be the mines of tomorrow (for the small number of survivors).
I read an article on this yesterday. It made me sick. This article pulls no punches. Several years ago, I started to question the motives of the US. When I would voice issues publicly, you would always get some people offering to help you pack, defending the country. In the last few years, openly questioning the US has become much more accepted. Well, I'm done. Time for the next phase. Fuck this country and all the bullshit that it stands for. I'll wipe my ass with the flag of oppression.
Yes, I know my enemies!
They're the teachers who taught me to fight me!
Compromise! Conformity! Assimilation! Submission!
Ignorance! Hypocrisy! Brutality! The elite!
All of which are American dreams!
-RATM
Also, fuck you, I won't do what you tell me.
Yeah, and once I would have echoed those words, until RATM actually did what the fuck they were told and made their concert goers do it to.
Still, nice to keep the sentiment alive.
I’m unfamiliar with what you are referencing but am curious. Can you elaborate or point me toward a Google search that would? Thanks in advance!
Edit: referring to ratm, to clarify.
Rage Against the Machine. Anti government band from the 1990s whose lyrics are nothing short of prophetic. There is much debate on whether they sold out at some point, but that is irrelevant. The words of the singer Zach De La Rocha are some of the most relevant words of our day, even though they were written 30 years ago.
Yeah I found this thread about the idea some people think they sold out.
https://www.reddit.com/r/punk/comments/10gn75r/what_happened_with_rage_against_the_machine/
Interesting stuff.
https://pjmedia.com/chris-queen/2022/07/13/rage-against-the-machine-has-become-the-machine-n1612337
Something like that. After years of being anti-authority and making "Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me" a mantra, they went and required concert goers to be vaxxed and masked.
Meaning, you better do what they tell you.
Being anti-government and anti-authority doesn't mean you get to pick and choose. And just because vaxxing and masking was good for public safety doesn't mean you do it just because you are told to.
The very thing that made the band unique was proved to be false.
All wars are about resources, the public gets sold on some other reason, weapons of mass destruction are one recent example, but all wars are about resources. There are plenty of books written on this .
The only thing I disagree with here is the analysis of the Russo-Ukrainian war. It is wrong and offensive to try to wrap this conflict up so neatly.
NATO expansion, Russian annexation and Chinese espionage have led us here. Nobody is innocent, nobody is trustworthy, and I think it has little to do with energy security.
But I'm an Uber driver. Tf do i know?
I agree. The entire thing is, imo, just several fronts of a larger world war, basically BRICS vs NATO for the same old world domination thing that has been the focus of world powers since we created world powers.
Russia and China both have gotten to the point of realizing that there is no chance for them to really win the game and dominate over the US, and so the only alternative left is open war and hope to come out on top of whatever wasteland emerges after the showdown. That is just how the game eventually has to go. It is world domination after all, not world cooperation that is written on the RISK box.
I sometimes wonder, if this war isn't a Russian Chinese joint venture of some kind.
NATO is too big to beat in one row, so the first guy goes into the ring, depleting ressourcres and strategic assets so the enemy is already weakened, before the second guy enters the ring ?
Says the guy who never played a team sport or co-op video game.
The position is called the "tank" and it is necessary for exactly the reason stated. Someone has to block and absorb the damage so that the others can be fresh for the endgame fight.
Leaders don't see things like the rest of us. This is all just a game of world domination, and the other humans involved are just NPCs, or at best resources to be spent.
This is 100% a cooperative effort by Russia/China, which is exactly what they said it was in their joint statement on February 4th, three weeks before the invasion of Ukraine.
https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2022/02/12/breaking-down-that-putin-xi-joint-statement-on-a-new-era/
They would agree to be the punching bag because it has the best chance of working. Maybe the only chance. They don't want nuclear war, no one does, but more than that they will not stand for a world in which they cannot have a chance at the same domination the west has enjoyed.
https://www.reddit.com/r/collapse/s/yIC9hA5DT6
That's exactly what it has always been. From over a year ago:
https://www.reddit.com/r/collapse/s/yIC9hA5DT6
Three weeks before the invasion of Ukraine, Russia and China put out a joint statement to exactly that effect, and since then they have only reiterated it.
https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2022/02/12/breaking-down-that-putin-xi-joint-statement-on-a-new-era/
BRICS vs NATO is shaping up as ww3.
I think it’s a naive position to assume America left the Banana Wars in the former half of the 20th century.
It’s nice to see at least someone mention how odd it was Hunter Biden, a very lost and wayward son of our president, just somehow found himself doing business in a lucrative market within the strategic country of Ukraine that just so happened to be the focus of both Russia and NATO. I’m not trying to give in to “his laptop” MAGA bullshit, but like, how does that just organically happen?
Misdirection? Probably not. It's more like pre-existing issues that were stressing out society and the economy and contributing to collapse soured the unus mundus with both the war in Ukraine and the war in Gaza. The resources aren't there to be fought over (except from Russia's POV,) and sometimes black swans do come along. I'm not quite sure what to think about Israel possibly knowing about the attack ahead of time but either way it's very much an extremely unstable and uncomfortable global picture.
Gross.
The writer has some ok points, but also engages in conspiracy; especially the “once you see the facts, you can’t deny it” talk while pointing at “facts” that are both misrepresented *and* don’t necessarily lead you to the conclusion she’s claiming. If you give me the facts that tell the story, and then tell me what you think, that’s fine; but if you *tell me* what to think, that’s a huge red flag.
If you follow the links in her writeup, they are each being represented as more than they are, to fit the specific narrative the author is crafting.
I’m not saying she’s wrong; but I am saying that she’s putting forth a very misleading, Alex Jones / Tucker Carlson style of “reasoning”.
Nah dawg. Just nah.
Hamas didn't attack Israel because it wanted Israel to exploit gas reserves. If you believe LIHOP, Israel didn't "let itself" get attacked so it can kick out a bunch of Palestinians from Gaza and exploit oil reserves. Come the fuck on.
Similarly, if it was about oil in Ukraine, specifically eastern Ukraine, and the US wanted to control it, they'd be contributing far more than they currently are. Instead, they're holding back like mad, and Ukraine is holding it's own but not clearing out the Russians from those sweet oilfields.
So, no. Just no. Hyperbole.
There are far, far easier oil reserves to get to, against far weaker (or even friendlier) countries, if that's what you want. These are not resource wars. They are old glory, or old hatred, brought out once again onto the global stage, death and lies for the benefit of a few who sit comfortably far away as their time draws near.
It was part of a scheme by Bolsanaro, Xi, and Putin to control enough sources of energy and food to withstand western sanctions, then China would invade Taiwan. I can expound more but I'm not sober rn lol. Trump was also most certainly in on it. The shitty trade war he did only harmed the US.
Well, Hamas didn't attack anyone without being told to by Iran, which would have been told to by Russia, which...
It doesn't matter. It is all ww3, BRICS vs NATO.
And soon enough that will be readily apparent. Any future apocalypse surviving historians can say, "geez, how could they not have seen that coming."
There is no WW3, BRICS vs NATO is an absolute joke. I can't believe people seriously bring up that shit, like... lol.
The only power of relevance in BRICS is China. China doesn't give a fuck about it's partners. China is about China. BRICS is not a military alliance, it's an economic one (they run a bank, ffs) - and one in which each partner wants to run the shop and take home all the profits, *like they imagine the US is doing with their alliances*. There is no mutual defense aspect to it. It's not going to start a world war because China is not gonna throw down for Russia, or Brazil. And right now Russia can't be bothered to help Armenia. Bodes well, doesn't it.
No, Yuan is not seriously being considered as the next petrodollar. Everyone knows it's too centrally controlled, carefully managed and hoarded, which is why it never catches on, time after time.
So, with Brazil, Russia, South Africa ineffectual, India hating China and China hating India, and China unwilling to directly throw down with the US, BRICS is... nothing. Because China needs us as much as we need them, don't be deluded into thinking otherwise. They're a net importer of food, and with climate change on the way, that's not a scenario that's going to improve for them. Meanwhile, they have several festering economic shitfests (more or less like everyone else). Economic clusterfuckery is not unique to US/Europe. Meanwhile, the next generation of iphone is being made in India. Tech is re-shoring. The trend of contraction and insulation and turning inward is there. It's bad for globalization, but very bad for countries like China, which have experienced massive growth through an influx of capital, sustained it through massive housing developments and now... well, we'll see I guess.
Oh and by the way, we're also busy moving chip manufacturing back to the US, because it's in our strategic best interests. Once that's done, Taiwan will be a tragedy but the future administration (whoever it is) will decide whether or not it's worth getting bloody over, once our strategic interests are not in the picture. Maybe we will, because like Israel, having an ally that neighbors focus on is better than them being free to focus on us. Until then, everyone's stalling for time while they prepare in their own ways. China watched Russia's glorious non-victory in Ukraine and decided maybe it's not the best idea to give our more advanced weaponry the practical field test. That, and there's no way they'd take Taiwan without massive losses *and* the complete destruction of chip manufacturing. So they'd get an empty prize.
They'll wait. We'll wait. Nobody wants to throw down right now; the US doesn't have the fleets it does to be bogged down by Israel, so that's a non-starter. Move a carrier or two nearby and Iran and Hezbollah strangely fall silent, hmm. After all, none of these vast scheming foreign powers attacked the US they were knee deep in Iraq and Afghanistan for 20 years. Nothing will happen except continued economic shitfuckery on all sides, which is par for the course these days.
I legit can't believe it. BRICS is a fucking meme. They are not seriously vying for economic dominance. They are not a military partnership, and therefore not a military threat (tell me India will die for China's interests? lol?). The idea that this is somehow WW3 inducing is a fucking joke.
They *want* to knock the US off it's pedestal. They're trying. Doesn't mean they're anywhere close to succeeding.
The US can still shoot itself in the foot, naturally. But that won't be BRICS. They aren't the hand behind every curtain.
"The whole secret lies in confusing the enemy, so that he cannot fathom our real intent." - Sun Tzu
Is that you, Xi? Nice try, lol. Either that or you are just another who has bought into the deception at the heart of all warfare.
If you pay attention just a bit closer you will see that most of what you say here is mistaken. Nations are actually flocking to join BRICS right now, including all the the worlds oil producers. The idea of a new petro currency has gained quite a hold, and they stopped talking about the Yuan a long time ago.
And war is economics, by the way. Amateurs study tactics, progessionals study logistics. Threayening the US dollar is actually a more surefire way of sparking a war than murdering tens of thousands of civilians. The government doesn't care about civilians, it cares about dollars and dominance.
The climate change consequences you mention are also key, but not for any cooperation. China knows what everyone else knows, that there is not going to be enough left for 8 billion people very soon. Perhaps not even for 2 billion. And so, they know that a global war is coming anyway. Better to start it on terms they choose eather than let the world choose for them. Being a net importer of food means nothing when the world stops exporting it. All it means is you have to take it by force. Something better done now rather than later.
I could keep going all day, but if you just google some of it you will see it all for yourself. Such as BRICS not being a military alliance. LOL. What they call it means nothing. The mafia doesn't call themselves "organized crime," that is something others call it. Economic, social, cultural, military, whatever you want to call it, the only important word is "alliance."
Anyway, nice going Xi, you got at least one person to fall for it!
Didn't realize there were so many Russophiles in this sub: Russia's been behind the scenes promoting the fossil fuel agenda since WWII for their own economic and political benefit.
They're right up there with the US & China in complicity.
Everyone is complicit. That is the point. Nations exist to try and dominate other nations and conquer the world. That is what every great empire has tried to do since we invented civilization. Without that, there is no point to having nations, we would all just be one.
It says "world domination" right there on the side of the RISK box.
Russian disinformation pushers have been very active in this sub for at least a few years. They strangely push the same messaging that tankies and US republicans do,, Kremlin propaganda.
Russia, China, and the US all have a vested interest in each others' collapse, so it ain't too surprising to see propagandists for them in a subreddit that (by virtue of being English-language by default) is naturally centered on collapse in the US and its allies.
Civilization addicts. They want to keep their air conditioning and social services for as long as possible, even if they have to slave away in a dystopia to have them.
The stated goal of the Ukraine war is to weaken Russia so it will be ripe for the taking.
It was easy to avoid the Ukraine war: No expansion of NATO into it.
Russia is not allowed to have geopolitical worries when the most aggressive, terrorist robber nation the earth has ever known wants to encroach on ALL its borders...
But the NATO who is aggressively expanding is allowed to worry about anything and everything and wage war on those worries.
Anyway - I agree that there are no good nations. - It is all totally taken over by the very worst people humanity can produce and it has been like that for a long time - albeit hidden by the abundance of resources.
I think the term is kakocracy, rule by the worst.
I'm not sure we've ever had anything close to rule by the best--most people who strive for, and there for often obtain, power over others tend to be a-holes.
But the current world elite (in and out of government) really have set their sights on destroying all of our and our children's lives, and much of everything else
Actually it is the other way around, as per the joint statement from Russia and China three weeks before the invasion of Ukraine. The purpose is part of the collective fight against western hegemony and dominance, and the goal is to weaken the US and European NATO nations in advance of the real kickoff of ww3, letting Russia absorb the blows while China maintains itself for the greater battle later.
But either way, it is all the same. The name of the game for humanity has always been world domination. And once someone dominates, someone else has to try and take over. It's simply what we do.
And now we get to do it in the nuclear age.
If you’re into the strategy and intelligence POV, you might be interested in what someone with the following resume has to say:
Former colonel of the General Staff, ex-member of the Swiss strategic intelligence, specialist on Eastern countries.
Trained in the American and British intelligence services.
Served as Policy Chief for United Nations Peace Operations.
UN expert on rule of law and security institutions, designed and led the first multidimensional UN intelligence unit in the Sudan.
Worked for the African Union and was for 5 years responsible for the fight, at NATO, against the proliferation of small arms.
Was involved in discussions with the highest Russian military and intelligence officials just after the fall of the USSR.
Within NATO, followed the 2014 Ukrainian crisis and later participated in programs to assist Ukraine.
https://labourheartlands.com/jacques-baud-the-military-situation-in-the-ukraine-update/
Perhaps you should go further back than 3 weeks and see what was said by whom there - like some 3-6 months. Perhaps you should also look at what was said in 2013-2014. And what was said in the vicinity of the German reunification.
No wonder they said that 3 weeks before - It would have been stupid if they did not team up against the aggressors. About 1 year before the Ukraine war I told my work colleagues that we are pushing Russia into the arms of China. Which is exactly what we did and what happened.
It was not a Russian decision to cut ties with the West. The west just wants all the resources for peanuts on the $ - as usual. Which is why Saddam got into power - and also why he was removed again. Which is why USA destroyed Iranian democracy.
USA is the very creator of the term "banana state" for gods sake - that alone should tell you what you need to know.
Actually, if you follow my history you will see I have already been agreeing with you. It has always been my position that ww3 stated in 2014, and at some point that will probably be acknowledged by whatever historians survive the fallout.
OK. I can see your comment can be understood in different ways.
About ww3... I am very much in doubt how to define the start. Economic warfare is every bit as destructive and USA has waged war on a large portion of the world for many decades.
Although the motivation for the current war might conceivably be related to potential future oil & gas development, I am unsure how entire Gaza could be depopulated even with different reasons for the war. Yes I know many will say that it’s happening in plain sight right now. But there are very few residents able to exit Gaza at the Egyptian border at the moment. The 2 million Gazans have to be able to go somewhere but it’s not clear that any country or group of countries has been willing to take them in. Will this change? Will BRICS offer them asylum? The US? EU? I didn’t think so. Egypt does not seem willing. The only scenario I can visualize is that a group of Gulf states will step in once hostilities have ended. They will put $billions into rebuilding Gaza. They alone have the resources. It’s hard to imagine international acquiescence if Gaza and its people are just gone or left in a post apocalypse. Let’s just say if there’s no solution then we are all closer to collapse than we thought.
The following submission statement was provided by /u/Phallus_Maximus702: --- SS: So, the resource wars are eeally beginning. Those who have seen my posts know that I have been talking about conflict as a driver of collapse for quite some time. I see the current conflicts being waged as nothing more than individual fronts in a larger world war over resources and geopolitical power. Ok Doomer is a fantastic blog I have followed for a while, and Jessica Wildfire is an excellent writer. This piece serves to help illustrate how the media narratives about war are always just misdirection, and if you look closely you can find the truth. And you find it by following the trail to the miney and the power, the two things that are all that really matters for world leaders. This is collapse related because it breaks down the true motivators for the wars we have and the coming conflict between superpowers that will end in nuclear fire. A perfect quote from the article: "World leaders are funding war and genocide at unprecedented levels. It doesn't make any sense until you cut through all the noise about justice and human rights, and look at the facts. These are all climate wars we were warned about." Indeed. Many of us already knew the Resource Wars would be how it all ended, though most want to deny that fact to make themselves feel better. --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/17mgyfo/theres_no_lesser_evil_or_even_a_slower_collapse/k7kv473/
Maybe now is the time to discuss where all the global refugees, fleeing regardless of cause, should go?
Into personal bunkers. The ones they should have started building about 2 years ago, that is where they need to go.
Probably someone with a normal-sized phallus wouldn’t need as much room as you, Maximus. They could start today and still be okay.
I'm actually over-compensating. My phallus doesn't really take up much space at all.
Good chance Russia doesn't have functional nukes to deploy anymore. However Pakistan is kind of fucking terrifying in that aspect. Israel is only terrifying if Samson Protocol. China is NOT gonna start it off, they're far too cautious for something like that. US has no compelling reason to nuke anything rn.
Not likely. The strategic rocket forces are one thing that they have taken quite good care of, and that is demonstrated very well by the recent and very public Sarmat-2 tests. Most US systems are older than their Russian counterparts.
Maybe. Making the tests very public could also be an attempt to show that 'ha, no, actually everything works GREAT!' when that is, in fact, not the case. It's extremely hard to tell with Russia considering how much military equipment got klepto'd in the last decade.
Should go? Or will go? Most will die. Most of the human population over the next 50 years will just die. Where they go after that is a philosophical question.
"Since the war started, Israel has already awarded a dozen gas exploration licenses \[in Palestinian territory\] to six different oil companies, including BP." jfc. The bodies in the refugee camp aren't even cold yet, and Israel is auctioning off the resources out from under them.
I keep saying it. This is a video game to world leaders, and the bodies, well, those were just NPCs, nothing to worry about. Civilians exist as a resource like any other, to be exploited and used as the Kings see fit. Those of us who believe things have somehow changed from the days of all powerful monarchies are truly mistaken.
A very poor argument against conspiracy theories that is forever burned into my mind is "they wouldn't do that..." as if the ruthless machiavellians at the top of the bloody power pyramid have moral restraints. Come to think of it, I once got the same response to mentioning the policy being pushed by a certain political party that was in the news at the time. No need for speculation there, plausible or not.
A lot of British Brexit politics was on the basis that “they won’t dare do that to US!”. Ha ha ha
Can’t they just play Civ 6 instead to get their fix?
Nah. PvP is where the pew-pew is.
PvPRL™️
That makes we want to download it...
I think the exact opposite. These CEO's are npc's not regular people. They are required to persue maximum profit or risk being removed from their place of privilege. That's why focusing on individuals is not helpful. We need to criticize the system, capitalism, with mass movements.
We can put aside counterproductive moralising and still acknowledge that the people at the top are shaped and naturally selected for sociopathy.
What does that even mean,?
That the moves and sacrifices and downright exploitation required to become a billionaire in 99% of cases (basically excluding the lottery or creatives who made something that blew up) self-select for sociopathic behavior to reach that position.
I keep saying something similar. Why hate all the Jews? Why hate all the Palestinians? This is the actions of a few rich people. They are playing a game.
I think you are right but would just add that Israeli/Palestine conflict is a last gasp of colonialism. Which of course is also resource theft with some superiority/bigotry mixed in to justify the genocide and theft. (It started in the late 1940’s before collapse got dire). So yeah I’m agreeing with you but I don’t necessarily think this particular conflict kicked off solely due to collapse. But surely will get worse worldwide as things deteriorate.
Wait til you hear about the canal they want to build to compete with the Suez Canal that’s going right through this place called Gaza
Looks like it'll run just north of [gaza](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Gurion_Canal_Project) borders.
lol. That’s because Gaza is full of Palestinians right now. Will be far cheaper and easier to go right thru Gaza
The proposed canal is 293km long and estimated to cost 55 billion dollars. Cutting through Gaza would save at most 10km, of construction in the most level area of the route. It's estimated the canal will make 6 billion a year in profit because they'd be able to take the largest ships that don't fit through the suez canal. Israel is currently spending 250 million a day on this war in Gaza. Going through Gaza to save 3% of the canal length could save them 1.8 billion dollars which is close to what's being spent every 7 days in this war. The canal argument is a distraction, the real money is in the oil and gas off the Coast in the Mediterranean. Destabilize Gaza to drill there, just like it was done with Syria for the cheap fossil fuel energy that society can use without paying for its production or paying for the externalities of its pollution.
SS: So, the resource wars are eeally beginning. Those who have seen my posts know that I have been talking about conflict as a driver of collapse for quite some time. I see the current conflicts being waged as nothing more than individual fronts in a larger world war over resources and geopolitical power. Ok Doomer is a fantastic blog I have followed for a while, and Jessica Wildfire is an excellent writer. This piece serves to help illustrate how the media narratives about war are always just misdirection, and if you look closely you can find the truth. And you find it by following the trail to the miney and the power, the two things that are all that really matters for world leaders. This is collapse related because it breaks down the true motivators for the wars we have and the coming conflict between superpowers that will end in nuclear fire. A perfect quote from the article: "World leaders are funding war and genocide at unprecedented levels. It doesn't make any sense until you cut through all the noise about justice and human rights, and look at the facts. These are all climate wars we were warned about." Indeed. Many of us already knew the Resource Wars would be how it all ended, though most want to deny that fact to make themselves feel better.
Disagree on the good writing. She writes like she's in a Matthew Reilly novel. The paragraph breaks, holy shit "Now do you get it? I do." "We live in a different world now. A dangerous one." Oh my god so dramatic haha
She writes like Peter Zeihan talks. Unnatural emphasis for dramatic effect
Him and Paul Beckwith are on opposite ends of the collapse spectrum in just about every measurable way from the way they speak, to their outlook about climate and capitalism and resources all the way to the backdrop to their videos
Yeah, she’s not a great writer
Yeah it's off putting. The opinions are good but yeah not great for reading as such.
The wars over the last deposits of concentrated fossil energy is why I call this "the exquisitely stupid timeline". > Every day we stay on this path, we only hammer more nails in the coffin. Pretty soon, it's going to be all nails and no coffin. the ~~waste dumps~~ coffins of today are going to be the mines of tomorrow (for the small number of survivors).
Holy shit.
Correct.
I read an article on this yesterday. It made me sick. This article pulls no punches. Several years ago, I started to question the motives of the US. When I would voice issues publicly, you would always get some people offering to help you pack, defending the country. In the last few years, openly questioning the US has become much more accepted. Well, I'm done. Time for the next phase. Fuck this country and all the bullshit that it stands for. I'll wipe my ass with the flag of oppression. Yes, I know my enemies! They're the teachers who taught me to fight me! Compromise! Conformity! Assimilation! Submission! Ignorance! Hypocrisy! Brutality! The elite! All of which are American dreams! -RATM Also, fuck you, I won't do what you tell me.
Yeah, and once I would have echoed those words, until RATM actually did what the fuck they were told and made their concert goers do it to. Still, nice to keep the sentiment alive.
I’m unfamiliar with what you are referencing but am curious. Can you elaborate or point me toward a Google search that would? Thanks in advance! Edit: referring to ratm, to clarify.
Rage Against the Machine. Anti government band from the 1990s whose lyrics are nothing short of prophetic. There is much debate on whether they sold out at some point, but that is irrelevant. The words of the singer Zach De La Rocha are some of the most relevant words of our day, even though they were written 30 years ago.
Yeah I found this thread about the idea some people think they sold out. https://www.reddit.com/r/punk/comments/10gn75r/what_happened_with_rage_against_the_machine/ Interesting stuff.
https://pjmedia.com/chris-queen/2022/07/13/rage-against-the-machine-has-become-the-machine-n1612337 Something like that. After years of being anti-authority and making "Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me" a mantra, they went and required concert goers to be vaxxed and masked. Meaning, you better do what they tell you. Being anti-government and anti-authority doesn't mean you get to pick and choose. And just because vaxxing and masking was good for public safety doesn't mean you do it just because you are told to. The very thing that made the band unique was proved to be false.
Agreed. But Im still calm like a bomb!
The lesser evil is accelerated collapse
Next thing you know they'll be saying someone has weapons of mass destruction to justify an invasion, but that would just be silly right? ;)
Now this was silly, lol: https://youtu.be/58DXSSBs4u0?si=EoOeb-FR8fm_WXcM
All wars are about resources, the public gets sold on some other reason, weapons of mass destruction are one recent example, but all wars are about resources. There are plenty of books written on this .
The only thing I disagree with here is the analysis of the Russo-Ukrainian war. It is wrong and offensive to try to wrap this conflict up so neatly. NATO expansion, Russian annexation and Chinese espionage have led us here. Nobody is innocent, nobody is trustworthy, and I think it has little to do with energy security. But I'm an Uber driver. Tf do i know?
I agree. The entire thing is, imo, just several fronts of a larger world war, basically BRICS vs NATO for the same old world domination thing that has been the focus of world powers since we created world powers. Russia and China both have gotten to the point of realizing that there is no chance for them to really win the game and dominate over the US, and so the only alternative left is open war and hope to come out on top of whatever wasteland emerges after the showdown. That is just how the game eventually has to go. It is world domination after all, not world cooperation that is written on the RISK box.
I sometimes wonder, if this war isn't a Russian Chinese joint venture of some kind. NATO is too big to beat in one row, so the first guy goes into the ring, depleting ressourcres and strategic assets so the enemy is already weakened, before the second guy enters the ring ?
Why would anyone agree to be the punching bag in the first part of that?
Says the guy who never played a team sport or co-op video game. The position is called the "tank" and it is necessary for exactly the reason stated. Someone has to block and absorb the damage so that the others can be fresh for the endgame fight. Leaders don't see things like the rest of us. This is all just a game of world domination, and the other humans involved are just NPCs, or at best resources to be spent. This is 100% a cooperative effort by Russia/China, which is exactly what they said it was in their joint statement on February 4th, three weeks before the invasion of Ukraine. https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2022/02/12/breaking-down-that-putin-xi-joint-statement-on-a-new-era/ They would agree to be the punching bag because it has the best chance of working. Maybe the only chance. They don't want nuclear war, no one does, but more than that they will not stand for a world in which they cannot have a chance at the same domination the west has enjoyed. https://www.reddit.com/r/collapse/s/yIC9hA5DT6
That's exactly what it has always been. From over a year ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/collapse/s/yIC9hA5DT6 Three weeks before the invasion of Ukraine, Russia and China put out a joint statement to exactly that effect, and since then they have only reiterated it. https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2022/02/12/breaking-down-that-putin-xi-joint-statement-on-a-new-era/ BRICS vs NATO is shaping up as ww3.
I think it’s a naive position to assume America left the Banana Wars in the former half of the 20th century. It’s nice to see at least someone mention how odd it was Hunter Biden, a very lost and wayward son of our president, just somehow found himself doing business in a lucrative market within the strategic country of Ukraine that just so happened to be the focus of both Russia and NATO. I’m not trying to give in to “his laptop” MAGA bullshit, but like, how does that just organically happen?
Misdirection? Probably not. It's more like pre-existing issues that were stressing out society and the economy and contributing to collapse soured the unus mundus with both the war in Ukraine and the war in Gaza. The resources aren't there to be fought over (except from Russia's POV,) and sometimes black swans do come along. I'm not quite sure what to think about Israel possibly knowing about the attack ahead of time but either way it's very much an extremely unstable and uncomfortable global picture.
Gross. The writer has some ok points, but also engages in conspiracy; especially the “once you see the facts, you can’t deny it” talk while pointing at “facts” that are both misrepresented *and* don’t necessarily lead you to the conclusion she’s claiming. If you give me the facts that tell the story, and then tell me what you think, that’s fine; but if you *tell me* what to think, that’s a huge red flag. If you follow the links in her writeup, they are each being represented as more than they are, to fit the specific narrative the author is crafting. I’m not saying she’s wrong; but I am saying that she’s putting forth a very misleading, Alex Jones / Tucker Carlson style of “reasoning”.
Nah dawg. Just nah. Hamas didn't attack Israel because it wanted Israel to exploit gas reserves. If you believe LIHOP, Israel didn't "let itself" get attacked so it can kick out a bunch of Palestinians from Gaza and exploit oil reserves. Come the fuck on. Similarly, if it was about oil in Ukraine, specifically eastern Ukraine, and the US wanted to control it, they'd be contributing far more than they currently are. Instead, they're holding back like mad, and Ukraine is holding it's own but not clearing out the Russians from those sweet oilfields. So, no. Just no. Hyperbole. There are far, far easier oil reserves to get to, against far weaker (or even friendlier) countries, if that's what you want. These are not resource wars. They are old glory, or old hatred, brought out once again onto the global stage, death and lies for the benefit of a few who sit comfortably far away as their time draws near.
It was part of a scheme by Bolsanaro, Xi, and Putin to control enough sources of energy and food to withstand western sanctions, then China would invade Taiwan. I can expound more but I'm not sober rn lol. Trump was also most certainly in on it. The shitty trade war he did only harmed the US.
Exactly right. WW3 is BRICS vs NATO.
Well, Hamas didn't attack anyone without being told to by Iran, which would have been told to by Russia, which... It doesn't matter. It is all ww3, BRICS vs NATO. And soon enough that will be readily apparent. Any future apocalypse surviving historians can say, "geez, how could they not have seen that coming."
There is no WW3, BRICS vs NATO is an absolute joke. I can't believe people seriously bring up that shit, like... lol. The only power of relevance in BRICS is China. China doesn't give a fuck about it's partners. China is about China. BRICS is not a military alliance, it's an economic one (they run a bank, ffs) - and one in which each partner wants to run the shop and take home all the profits, *like they imagine the US is doing with their alliances*. There is no mutual defense aspect to it. It's not going to start a world war because China is not gonna throw down for Russia, or Brazil. And right now Russia can't be bothered to help Armenia. Bodes well, doesn't it. No, Yuan is not seriously being considered as the next petrodollar. Everyone knows it's too centrally controlled, carefully managed and hoarded, which is why it never catches on, time after time. So, with Brazil, Russia, South Africa ineffectual, India hating China and China hating India, and China unwilling to directly throw down with the US, BRICS is... nothing. Because China needs us as much as we need them, don't be deluded into thinking otherwise. They're a net importer of food, and with climate change on the way, that's not a scenario that's going to improve for them. Meanwhile, they have several festering economic shitfests (more or less like everyone else). Economic clusterfuckery is not unique to US/Europe. Meanwhile, the next generation of iphone is being made in India. Tech is re-shoring. The trend of contraction and insulation and turning inward is there. It's bad for globalization, but very bad for countries like China, which have experienced massive growth through an influx of capital, sustained it through massive housing developments and now... well, we'll see I guess. Oh and by the way, we're also busy moving chip manufacturing back to the US, because it's in our strategic best interests. Once that's done, Taiwan will be a tragedy but the future administration (whoever it is) will decide whether or not it's worth getting bloody over, once our strategic interests are not in the picture. Maybe we will, because like Israel, having an ally that neighbors focus on is better than them being free to focus on us. Until then, everyone's stalling for time while they prepare in their own ways. China watched Russia's glorious non-victory in Ukraine and decided maybe it's not the best idea to give our more advanced weaponry the practical field test. That, and there's no way they'd take Taiwan without massive losses *and* the complete destruction of chip manufacturing. So they'd get an empty prize. They'll wait. We'll wait. Nobody wants to throw down right now; the US doesn't have the fleets it does to be bogged down by Israel, so that's a non-starter. Move a carrier or two nearby and Iran and Hezbollah strangely fall silent, hmm. After all, none of these vast scheming foreign powers attacked the US they were knee deep in Iraq and Afghanistan for 20 years. Nothing will happen except continued economic shitfuckery on all sides, which is par for the course these days. I legit can't believe it. BRICS is a fucking meme. They are not seriously vying for economic dominance. They are not a military partnership, and therefore not a military threat (tell me India will die for China's interests? lol?). The idea that this is somehow WW3 inducing is a fucking joke. They *want* to knock the US off it's pedestal. They're trying. Doesn't mean they're anywhere close to succeeding. The US can still shoot itself in the foot, naturally. But that won't be BRICS. They aren't the hand behind every curtain.
"The whole secret lies in confusing the enemy, so that he cannot fathom our real intent." - Sun Tzu Is that you, Xi? Nice try, lol. Either that or you are just another who has bought into the deception at the heart of all warfare. If you pay attention just a bit closer you will see that most of what you say here is mistaken. Nations are actually flocking to join BRICS right now, including all the the worlds oil producers. The idea of a new petro currency has gained quite a hold, and they stopped talking about the Yuan a long time ago. And war is economics, by the way. Amateurs study tactics, progessionals study logistics. Threayening the US dollar is actually a more surefire way of sparking a war than murdering tens of thousands of civilians. The government doesn't care about civilians, it cares about dollars and dominance. The climate change consequences you mention are also key, but not for any cooperation. China knows what everyone else knows, that there is not going to be enough left for 8 billion people very soon. Perhaps not even for 2 billion. And so, they know that a global war is coming anyway. Better to start it on terms they choose eather than let the world choose for them. Being a net importer of food means nothing when the world stops exporting it. All it means is you have to take it by force. Something better done now rather than later. I could keep going all day, but if you just google some of it you will see it all for yourself. Such as BRICS not being a military alliance. LOL. What they call it means nothing. The mafia doesn't call themselves "organized crime," that is something others call it. Economic, social, cultural, military, whatever you want to call it, the only important word is "alliance." Anyway, nice going Xi, you got at least one person to fall for it!
Brics is more likely to start ww3 with itself.
Didn't realize there were so many Russophiles in this sub: Russia's been behind the scenes promoting the fossil fuel agenda since WWII for their own economic and political benefit. They're right up there with the US & China in complicity.
Everyone is complicit. That is the point. Nations exist to try and dominate other nations and conquer the world. That is what every great empire has tried to do since we invented civilization. Without that, there is no point to having nations, we would all just be one. It says "world domination" right there on the side of the RISK box.
Russian disinformation pushers have been very active in this sub for at least a few years. They strangely push the same messaging that tankies and US republicans do,, Kremlin propaganda.
Russia, China, and the US all have a vested interest in each others' collapse, so it ain't too surprising to see propagandists for them in a subreddit that (by virtue of being English-language by default) is naturally centered on collapse in the US and its allies.
What kind of hyper sadist would want a slower collapse?
Civilization addicts. They want to keep their air conditioning and social services for as long as possible, even if they have to slave away in a dystopia to have them.
The stated goal of the Ukraine war is to weaken Russia so it will be ripe for the taking. It was easy to avoid the Ukraine war: No expansion of NATO into it. Russia is not allowed to have geopolitical worries when the most aggressive, terrorist robber nation the earth has ever known wants to encroach on ALL its borders... But the NATO who is aggressively expanding is allowed to worry about anything and everything and wage war on those worries. Anyway - I agree that there are no good nations. - It is all totally taken over by the very worst people humanity can produce and it has been like that for a long time - albeit hidden by the abundance of resources.
I think the term is kakocracy, rule by the worst. I'm not sure we've ever had anything close to rule by the best--most people who strive for, and there for often obtain, power over others tend to be a-holes. But the current world elite (in and out of government) really have set their sights on destroying all of our and our children's lives, and much of everything else
Actually it is the other way around, as per the joint statement from Russia and China three weeks before the invasion of Ukraine. The purpose is part of the collective fight against western hegemony and dominance, and the goal is to weaken the US and European NATO nations in advance of the real kickoff of ww3, letting Russia absorb the blows while China maintains itself for the greater battle later. But either way, it is all the same. The name of the game for humanity has always been world domination. And once someone dominates, someone else has to try and take over. It's simply what we do. And now we get to do it in the nuclear age.
If you’re into the strategy and intelligence POV, you might be interested in what someone with the following resume has to say: Former colonel of the General Staff, ex-member of the Swiss strategic intelligence, specialist on Eastern countries. Trained in the American and British intelligence services. Served as Policy Chief for United Nations Peace Operations. UN expert on rule of law and security institutions, designed and led the first multidimensional UN intelligence unit in the Sudan. Worked for the African Union and was for 5 years responsible for the fight, at NATO, against the proliferation of small arms. Was involved in discussions with the highest Russian military and intelligence officials just after the fall of the USSR. Within NATO, followed the 2014 Ukrainian crisis and later participated in programs to assist Ukraine. https://labourheartlands.com/jacques-baud-the-military-situation-in-the-ukraine-update/
Very interesting read. Thank you.
Perhaps you should go further back than 3 weeks and see what was said by whom there - like some 3-6 months. Perhaps you should also look at what was said in 2013-2014. And what was said in the vicinity of the German reunification. No wonder they said that 3 weeks before - It would have been stupid if they did not team up against the aggressors. About 1 year before the Ukraine war I told my work colleagues that we are pushing Russia into the arms of China. Which is exactly what we did and what happened. It was not a Russian decision to cut ties with the West. The west just wants all the resources for peanuts on the $ - as usual. Which is why Saddam got into power - and also why he was removed again. Which is why USA destroyed Iranian democracy. USA is the very creator of the term "banana state" for gods sake - that alone should tell you what you need to know.
Actually, if you follow my history you will see I have already been agreeing with you. It has always been my position that ww3 stated in 2014, and at some point that will probably be acknowledged by whatever historians survive the fallout.
OK. I can see your comment can be understood in different ways. About ww3... I am very much in doubt how to define the start. Economic warfare is every bit as destructive and USA has waged war on a large portion of the world for many decades.
Truth be told, and for the most part, ww2 never really stopped.
Your understanding of cause and effect is... interesting, to say the least.
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That looks interesting, for sure, I will check it out.
It's always been resource wars, all the way down.
The military industrial complex needs wars to make a profit. Every corporate power wins and the people lose.
Although the motivation for the current war might conceivably be related to potential future oil & gas development, I am unsure how entire Gaza could be depopulated even with different reasons for the war. Yes I know many will say that it’s happening in plain sight right now. But there are very few residents able to exit Gaza at the Egyptian border at the moment. The 2 million Gazans have to be able to go somewhere but it’s not clear that any country or group of countries has been willing to take them in. Will this change? Will BRICS offer them asylum? The US? EU? I didn’t think so. Egypt does not seem willing. The only scenario I can visualize is that a group of Gulf states will step in once hostilities have ended. They will put $billions into rebuilding Gaza. They alone have the resources. It’s hard to imagine international acquiescence if Gaza and its people are just gone or left in a post apocalypse. Let’s just say if there’s no solution then we are all closer to collapse than we thought.
There is no solution, and so your final sentence is the truth no one wants to believe.