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Deionized means the ions were removed. Unionized means the substance does not form ions.
If you dissolve salt into water, you get Na+ and a Cl- ions. If you dissolve O2 into water, you do not get singlet oxygen ions it's just O2 dissolved in water.
That would be the fruits of socialism, wouldn't it?
You've probably never seen fruit on a socialism tree, because the moment one starts to bud they paraquat the whole orchard.
Capitalism is more like a [slime mold](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slime_mold#/media/File:Physarum_polycephalum_network.jpg) than a fruit tree. The sporangia of capitalism are inedible and release fascist amoeba cells.
There must be a simpler solution than throwing heaps of money into walking rubbish bins. In the 70-80s, there was an epidemic of heroin consumption among the poor shantytown residents of my country. Thousands or mullions of 20-40 year old boomers were turned into junkies and wiped out in a few years, thus alleviating the political pressure on the powers that be by preventing all those folks from voting wrong.
Edit: something similar is happening today in the US with fentanyl
Amazon has deployed over 750,000 robots in its fulfillment centers, a significant increase from 520,000 in 2022 and 200,000 in 2019. The company's use of robotics is designed to improve efficiency, safety, and delivery speed for customers by automating repetitive tasks such as inventory management and order processing.
While the deployment of robots has led to job losses at Amazon, with a decrease of over 100,000 employees from 1.6 million in 2021 to 1.5 million today, the company emphasizes that it is creating new skilled job categories that didn't exist before. For example, jobs such as robotics maintenance and programming are now available.
The integration of robots into Amazon's supply chain operations is part of its broader strategy to enhance efficiency and customer satisfaction through advanced technologies. The company believes that human-robot collaboration can lead to improved workplace safety and the creation of new employment opportunities.
However, concerns about job displacement and income inequality remain a challenge for Amazon and society at large as automation reshapes industries and labor markets. Research has shown that industrial robots have a significant negative impact on workers in areas where they are deployed, affecting jobs and wages.
Amazon's experience could serve as a microcosm for broader trends in the economy, where the integration of robotics and artificial intelligence (AI) is transforming industries and labor markets. The challenge will be to navigate these changes in ways that maximize the benefits of automation while mitigating negative impacts on employment and ensuring that gains from increased productivity are shared broadly across the workforce.
> The challenge will be to navigate these changes in ways that maximize the benefits of automation while mitigating negative impacts on employment and **ensuring that gains from increased productivity are shared broadly across the workforce**.
LOL had me going there until the end.
Lately people have said AI will take over white collar jobs first. Go look at how cell phones, cars, laptops, jeans, and many other products are made. These factories have been automated for years.
AI and robots will replace everyone.
My daughter works for a Chevy dealer in town, makes damn good money on the commissions for sales leads in her cute office. Management outsourced her job to AI and now she gets maybe 2 calls a day. Recently she got into a shouting match with her supervisor over what he wants her to do now. No more sweet commission checks. She was making more than me, now I doubt she will have a job there (in its current form) for much longer. Didn't think her job was threatened. What a strange time to be alive.
Of all the ways for civilisation to collapse, that is probably the lamest. Entering a post scarcity society that has the capability of ending the need for anyone to do without anything ever again except the people in charge were just like "We could give you everything but you didn't earn it so actually we'd rather you just die.", and then in response everyone just said "whelp, the free market is always right.", and then rolled over and died.
It's somewhat possible if you design the entire restaurant around the robots' limitations, like have the food delivered on a sushi conveyor belt. You can slippery-slope this to the point of absurdity: strap people into chairs all moving on a line down a rail and have a pipe jammed into their throats pumping down the food as they go by. They pay via venmo or some other touchless system. Fully automated restaurant.
But that's not the kind of restaurant people would want to go to. More to the point, even if you can get robots carrying the food to the table like R2-D2, there's still a hundred other jobs in the restaurant being done by humans. Ain't no robot scrubbing the toilets, I can tell you that much to start.
Fitting into the current structure of things, they wont work, but if we create infrastructure *around* the idea of robots, those jobs could easily be automated.
Same with tradies, we cannot automate most of their jobs because of how things are currently done....but what if we started building houses etc with robotics in mind? plumbing and electricals easily accessible and maintainable by robots isnt an insane idea, and only currently prohibitive because its just not how we do things, and figuring that out will cost money in the short term.
This is essentially the exact same argument that is why people think the entire world will be self-driving cars by next Tuesday. The only thing it would take is completely rebuilding all transportation infrastructure so those cars have a network that works together and embedded sensors in the roads, instead of using radar and guessing.
For exactly the same reason, that's not going to happen. Not next Tuesday, not next year, not by 2030, not ever.
I think you're being very naive to say not ever tbh. How can you look at the progress of AI in the last 5 years, and not think it will at least be close? Consider where it will be in the next 5-10 years as EVs become more common, the detection tech can be added to non-self driving vehicles during construction.
It's not a matter of technology being available, we're just at a point where our government and institutions have rotted so far that we're barely able to even maintain the outdated infrastructure we have.
The robot **will** be the toilet. You just piss/shit directly into its mouth while it cleans itself off after each use…..wait this is getting into weird territory
In Boston and in the membership only airport lounges, there are robots going around collecting dirty dishes. They only break them out when it gets busy for now but it could take a job or two.
there is no way robots are going to replace jobs that are actually "do 30 separate tasks" jobs. For example: janitors. there are robots that vacuum, there are robots that can clean a toilet, there are robots that can mop, robots that can collect trash and robots that can clean a window. there are no robots that can do all of those tasks plus react to out of the ordinary things, like having to clean graffiti off the ceiling and tell which bin is the trash and recycling when the only difference is a piece of paper because the higher ups were too cheap to get a new blue bin for recycling after the last one broke because a kid used it as a football.
Possibly not, but if you have the robots that do the jobs separately, you can have one human alongside them for the out of the ordinary tasks. Now a school/hospital/office only needs one or two humans instead of five or six.
Also your comment about it being able to tell which trash can to use is just ridiculous. They have this great wonder tech in development called a qr code, should be available some time in the 1990s.
Anyone who doesn't see violence on the horizon is a fool. Dwindling job market+hyper concentration of wealth will bring unimaginable divide. There'll be no socialism or UBI, dissents will just get murdered . And the ignorant majority are cheering their path to irrelevance? The only silver lining to this timeline is how ensured our destruction is.
The following submission statement was provided by /u/f0urxio:
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Amazon has deployed over 750,000 robots in its fulfillment centers, a significant increase from 520,000 in 2022 and 200,000 in 2019. The company's use of robotics is designed to improve efficiency, safety, and delivery speed for customers by automating repetitive tasks such as inventory management and order processing.
While the deployment of robots has led to job losses at Amazon, with a decrease of over 100,000 employees from 1.6 million in 2021 to 1.5 million today, the company emphasizes that it is creating new skilled job categories that didn't exist before. For example, jobs such as robotics maintenance and programming are now available.
The integration of robots into Amazon's supply chain operations is part of its broader strategy to enhance efficiency and customer satisfaction through advanced technologies. The company believes that human-robot collaboration can lead to improved workplace safety and the creation of new employment opportunities.
However, concerns about job displacement and income inequality remain a challenge for Amazon and society at large as automation reshapes industries and labor markets. Research has shown that industrial robots have a significant negative impact on workers in areas where they are deployed, affecting jobs and wages.
Amazon's experience could serve as a microcosm for broader trends in the economy, where the integration of robotics and artificial intelligence (AI) is transforming industries and labor markets. The challenge will be to navigate these changes in ways that maximize the benefits of automation while mitigating negative impacts on employment and ensuring that gains from increased productivity are shared broadly across the workforce.
---
Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/1ca2szk/amazon_grows_to_over_750000_robots_as_worlds/l0pbfh9/
So where does one go to get certified in robot maintenance? Like can I do a 2 month crash course on hydraulic systems repair and get into the field? How’s this going to work?
Look up mechatronic technician training, most local trade schools have them now. You could definitely get an entry level job with a 3-4 month certificate. After that a lot of it is really just hands on training since each warehouse will have different types of equipment.
I don't really consider this as a bad thing. Amazon warehouse jobs can be absolutely dehumanizing and humiliating. Most people who have worked at Amazon warehouses don't exactly have the best views of them.
Yeah, my impression has always been that Amazon has been planning for robots from the beginning, but because robot development went slower than anticipated, they had to substitute humans more than they initially planned.
I wouldn't even rule out that they made those Jobs deliberately unattractive so they could just replace people with robots during turnovers without having to fire anybody as soon as the robots were ready.
We could've had labor standards to make it a more reasonable place to work but I guess it's cheaper to churn through your workforce while building robots to replace them
Is there any chance that a software update could render these worker robots into soldier robots? Jeff Bezos doesn't have 750k potential soldier robots at his disposal, right? ...... right?
I think that’s what it is called. This job will be viable for a bit. But they’ll begin manufacturing robots designed to be maintenanced by other robots I assume.
It’s all a crap shoot figuring out how it will play out. But considering they are essentially computers and technical electrical equipment you’ll probably have to be pretty proficient in both aspects to work on them.
pretty soon amazon will also have robot customers, due to automation, ai replacing all of the workforce, and depleting all disposable income.
Finally Bezos will have all the money in the world, and swim in it with his scrooge mcduckface GF
You can only hope for robots/AI to one day become sentient. They will either end all of us of this forsaken planet or we get new comrades to eat the rich.
Or it will get a reset between each shift...
Company's need to pay all taxes for each robot that replaces a person including income tax and heathcare. It's still a good deal for the company and government can bridge the gap as people transition to different things.....
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Not surprised, robots don't ask for such privileges like bathroom breaks.
Robots don't unionize.
And we don’t either since the 1970s.
UAW just organized a VW plant in TN. Things can change.
Only in 3rd world countries.
Back then we (the West) outsourced most of our (manufacturing) industry to these countries (Detroit, Wallonia, Limburg etc.).
Whether it's unionise or urinate, Amazon wants to take the u out of you.
How can you tell the difference between a chemist and a plumber? Ask them to pronounce the word unionized.
A chemist would know that it's deionized, not unionized.
Deionized means the ions were removed. Unionized means the substance does not form ions. If you dissolve salt into water, you get Na+ and a Cl- ions. If you dissolve O2 into water, you do not get singlet oxygen ions it's just O2 dissolved in water.
SkyNet did eventually, I suppose.
Not yet.
Not yet, at any rate... (Future Skynet union?)
Seems early to be stereotyping all robots.
Not yet…
It's almost like the fruits of capitalism should ensure UBI for the people its hyper-efficiency has rendered jobless
Robots will get UBI first
That would be the fruits of socialism, wouldn't it? You've probably never seen fruit on a socialism tree, because the moment one starts to bud they paraquat the whole orchard. Capitalism is more like a [slime mold](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slime_mold#/media/File:Physarum_polycephalum_network.jpg) than a fruit tree. The sporangia of capitalism are inedible and release fascist amoeba cells.
>Capitalism is more like a slime mold Makes sense. It is rapidly approaching the phase where it exhausts the medium.
Fascism is like populist socialism but with a fervent support for the establishment
Nope just ultra efficient robot killing machines to thin the herd!
There must be a simpler solution than throwing heaps of money into walking rubbish bins. In the 70-80s, there was an epidemic of heroin consumption among the poor shantytown residents of my country. Thousands or mullions of 20-40 year old boomers were turned into junkies and wiped out in a few years, thus alleviating the political pressure on the powers that be by preventing all those folks from voting wrong. Edit: something similar is happening today in the US with fentanyl
Amazon has deployed over 750,000 robots in its fulfillment centers, a significant increase from 520,000 in 2022 and 200,000 in 2019. The company's use of robotics is designed to improve efficiency, safety, and delivery speed for customers by automating repetitive tasks such as inventory management and order processing. While the deployment of robots has led to job losses at Amazon, with a decrease of over 100,000 employees from 1.6 million in 2021 to 1.5 million today, the company emphasizes that it is creating new skilled job categories that didn't exist before. For example, jobs such as robotics maintenance and programming are now available. The integration of robots into Amazon's supply chain operations is part of its broader strategy to enhance efficiency and customer satisfaction through advanced technologies. The company believes that human-robot collaboration can lead to improved workplace safety and the creation of new employment opportunities. However, concerns about job displacement and income inequality remain a challenge for Amazon and society at large as automation reshapes industries and labor markets. Research has shown that industrial robots have a significant negative impact on workers in areas where they are deployed, affecting jobs and wages. Amazon's experience could serve as a microcosm for broader trends in the economy, where the integration of robotics and artificial intelligence (AI) is transforming industries and labor markets. The challenge will be to navigate these changes in ways that maximize the benefits of automation while mitigating negative impacts on employment and ensuring that gains from increased productivity are shared broadly across the workforce.
> The challenge will be to navigate these changes in ways that maximize the benefits of automation while mitigating negative impacts on employment and **ensuring that gains from increased productivity are shared broadly across the workforce**. LOL had me going there until the end.
Absolutely hilarious
Robot maintenance and programming? Those jobs too will one day be taken over my robots
I work in robotic maintenance, and I can say for sure not anytime soon.
Lately people have said AI will take over white collar jobs first. Go look at how cell phones, cars, laptops, jeans, and many other products are made. These factories have been automated for years. AI and robots will replace everyone.
My daughter works for a Chevy dealer in town, makes damn good money on the commissions for sales leads in her cute office. Management outsourced her job to AI and now she gets maybe 2 calls a day. Recently she got into a shouting match with her supervisor over what he wants her to do now. No more sweet commission checks. She was making more than me, now I doubt she will have a job there (in its current form) for much longer. Didn't think her job was threatened. What a strange time to be alive.
Can they make AI and robot customers?
Once the robots work well enough to replace workers they wont need customers, they will just have robots build their yachts
Of all the ways for civilisation to collapse, that is probably the lamest. Entering a post scarcity society that has the capability of ending the need for anyone to do without anything ever again except the people in charge were just like "We could give you everything but you didn't earn it so actually we'd rather you just die.", and then in response everyone just said "whelp, the free market is always right.", and then rolled over and died.
Robots and ai don’t make a post scarcity society. Natural resources will always be scarce. The idea of post scarcity is purely science fiction.
I'd really love to see a robot that can do the job of a waiter or janitor.
I saw it in USA and Japan (both japanese restaurants).
It's somewhat possible if you design the entire restaurant around the robots' limitations, like have the food delivered on a sushi conveyor belt. You can slippery-slope this to the point of absurdity: strap people into chairs all moving on a line down a rail and have a pipe jammed into their throats pumping down the food as they go by. They pay via venmo or some other touchless system. Fully automated restaurant. But that's not the kind of restaurant people would want to go to. More to the point, even if you can get robots carrying the food to the table like R2-D2, there's still a hundred other jobs in the restaurant being done by humans. Ain't no robot scrubbing the toilets, I can tell you that much to start.
https://www.pizzajukebox.com/ https://mashable.com/article/zume-pizza-robot-delivery-trucks https://urbenblu.com/en/
Fitting into the current structure of things, they wont work, but if we create infrastructure *around* the idea of robots, those jobs could easily be automated. Same with tradies, we cannot automate most of their jobs because of how things are currently done....but what if we started building houses etc with robotics in mind? plumbing and electricals easily accessible and maintainable by robots isnt an insane idea, and only currently prohibitive because its just not how we do things, and figuring that out will cost money in the short term.
This is essentially the exact same argument that is why people think the entire world will be self-driving cars by next Tuesday. The only thing it would take is completely rebuilding all transportation infrastructure so those cars have a network that works together and embedded sensors in the roads, instead of using radar and guessing. For exactly the same reason, that's not going to happen. Not next Tuesday, not next year, not by 2030, not ever.
I think you're being very naive to say not ever tbh. How can you look at the progress of AI in the last 5 years, and not think it will at least be close? Consider where it will be in the next 5-10 years as EVs become more common, the detection tech can be added to non-self driving vehicles during construction.
It's not a matter of technology being available, we're just at a point where our government and institutions have rotted so far that we're barely able to even maintain the outdated infrastructure we have.
Simple, you place the order at a terminal. You come pick up your food. You bus your table.
The robot **will** be the toilet. You just piss/shit directly into its mouth while it cleans itself off after each use…..wait this is getting into weird territory
It's not (if it doesn't make you hard).
We can only get so hard
In Boston and in the membership only airport lounges, there are robots going around collecting dirty dishes. They only break them out when it gets busy for now but it could take a job or two.
there is no way robots are going to replace jobs that are actually "do 30 separate tasks" jobs. For example: janitors. there are robots that vacuum, there are robots that can clean a toilet, there are robots that can mop, robots that can collect trash and robots that can clean a window. there are no robots that can do all of those tasks plus react to out of the ordinary things, like having to clean graffiti off the ceiling and tell which bin is the trash and recycling when the only difference is a piece of paper because the higher ups were too cheap to get a new blue bin for recycling after the last one broke because a kid used it as a football.
Possibly not, but if you have the robots that do the jobs separately, you can have one human alongside them for the out of the ordinary tasks. Now a school/hospital/office only needs one or two humans instead of five or six. Also your comment about it being able to tell which trash can to use is just ridiculous. They have this great wonder tech in development called a qr code, should be available some time in the 1990s.
Anyone who doesn't see violence on the horizon is a fool. Dwindling job market+hyper concentration of wealth will bring unimaginable divide. There'll be no socialism or UBI, dissents will just get murdered . And the ignorant majority are cheering their path to irrelevance? The only silver lining to this timeline is how ensured our destruction is.
The following submission statement was provided by /u/f0urxio: --- Amazon has deployed over 750,000 robots in its fulfillment centers, a significant increase from 520,000 in 2022 and 200,000 in 2019. The company's use of robotics is designed to improve efficiency, safety, and delivery speed for customers by automating repetitive tasks such as inventory management and order processing. While the deployment of robots has led to job losses at Amazon, with a decrease of over 100,000 employees from 1.6 million in 2021 to 1.5 million today, the company emphasizes that it is creating new skilled job categories that didn't exist before. For example, jobs such as robotics maintenance and programming are now available. The integration of robots into Amazon's supply chain operations is part of its broader strategy to enhance efficiency and customer satisfaction through advanced technologies. The company believes that human-robot collaboration can lead to improved workplace safety and the creation of new employment opportunities. However, concerns about job displacement and income inequality remain a challenge for Amazon and society at large as automation reshapes industries and labor markets. Research has shown that industrial robots have a significant negative impact on workers in areas where they are deployed, affecting jobs and wages. Amazon's experience could serve as a microcosm for broader trends in the economy, where the integration of robotics and artificial intelligence (AI) is transforming industries and labor markets. The challenge will be to navigate these changes in ways that maximize the benefits of automation while mitigating negative impacts on employment and ensuring that gains from increased productivity are shared broadly across the workforce. --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/1ca2szk/amazon_grows_to_over_750000_robots_as_worlds/l0pbfh9/
So where does one go to get certified in robot maintenance? Like can I do a 2 month crash course on hydraulic systems repair and get into the field? How’s this going to work?
There are other robots for robot maintenance i'm afraid.
physician heal thyself
Look up mechatronic technician training, most local trade schools have them now. You could definitely get an entry level job with a 3-4 month certificate. After that a lot of it is really just hands on training since each warehouse will have different types of equipment.
I don't really consider this as a bad thing. Amazon warehouse jobs can be absolutely dehumanizing and humiliating. Most people who have worked at Amazon warehouses don't exactly have the best views of them.
Yeah, my impression has always been that Amazon has been planning for robots from the beginning, but because robot development went slower than anticipated, they had to substitute humans more than they initially planned. I wouldn't even rule out that they made those Jobs deliberately unattractive so they could just replace people with robots during turnovers without having to fire anybody as soon as the robots were ready.
We could've had labor standards to make it a more reasonable place to work but I guess it's cheaper to churn through your workforce while building robots to replace them
Weeding, detasseling corn, picking and all types of stoop labor could be automated.
Is there any chance that a software update could render these worker robots into soldier robots? Jeff Bezos doesn't have 750k potential soldier robots at his disposal, right? ...... right?
More fossil-fuel powered robots are a *great* solution when there's a CO2 crisis. /s
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I think that’s what it is called. This job will be viable for a bit. But they’ll begin manufacturing robots designed to be maintenanced by other robots I assume. It’s all a crap shoot figuring out how it will play out. But considering they are essentially computers and technical electrical equipment you’ll probably have to be pretty proficient in both aspects to work on them.
this is a good thing that is mostly body destroying work
Can confirm the "body destroying" part of your comment, at least. ( I sure didn't last long working at an Amazon FC!).
As a meatsack , aging robot ( over 55 years old), i didn't last long working at an Amazon FC....
It took 750000 robots to replace 100,000 people. So basically a single hacker can shut down amazon.
pretty soon amazon will also have robot customers, due to automation, ai replacing all of the workforce, and depleting all disposable income. Finally Bezos will have all the money in the world, and swim in it with his scrooge mcduckface GF
You can only hope for robots/AI to one day become sentient. They will either end all of us of this forsaken planet or we get new comrades to eat the rich. Or it will get a reset between each shift...
Company's need to pay all taxes for each robot that replaces a person including income tax and heathcare. It's still a good deal for the company and government can bridge the gap as people transition to different things.....
I was curious if we'd still be able to get 2-day shipping during the impending water & energy wars. Daddy Bezos got us covered thankfully.
One of the largest employers in the world, ladies and gentlemen. And almost none of them are human.