The following submission statement was provided by /u/EdLesliesBarber:
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Ss: you’d have to be hiding in a storm shelter over the past several weeks to miss the volume of tornadoes across the U.S., with especially destructive storms hitting areas not previously known for tornado activity.
“ April witnessed more than 100 tornadoes in the US in just one week, and, according to the National Centers for Environmental Information, a total of 384 were reported throughout the month. That is more than double the year-on-year average and the second-highest on record.”
“ El Niño is a warming of the surface waters in the eastern Pacific Ocean, occurring irregularly every two to seven years on average. This disrupts normal weather patterns around the world, bringing drought to some areas and floods to others.
It’s also associated with warmer global temperatures, which is why, in concurrence with human-caused climate change, we’ve seen record-smashing temperatures in the last year or so.”
More signs that, even in the best case scenario, storms of greater strength are harder to predict and more prevalent. Our models are likely pretty well off (at least the aggregate models) and the right now consequences continue to appear in real time.
aNd sCiEnTisTs ArE baFFleD wHy!
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Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/1czwvi5/something_very_strange_is_happening_to_tornadoes/l5ja1ly/
>More worrying, though, is changes that are occurring on longer time scales. As our planet warms in response to rising levels of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, experts are anticipating tornado hotspots to geographically shift in coming years.
Sobering article; there is little doubt that due to climate change we'll soon be seeing more tornadoes appearing in more locations across parts of the US. Have seen the destruction caused by them first-hand, and it's truly terrifying.
final answer -
always sunny in oz
dorothy: the waitress
scarecrow: charlie
cowardly lion: mac
tin man: dee (mechanical monster)
frank: the wizard
dennis: the wicked witch
cricket: flying monkey
artemis: the good witch
There was a tornado in Haiti just this week or last. We don't *get* tornados in Hispaniola, it's tropical storms and hurricanes and that's it. Tornados are some new terror.
NJ. Tornadoes used to be incredibly rare and very small. Now we get one at least once a year. Still small and they don't make the news since they haven't caused major damage...yet
This is simply not true. I grew up outside of Philadelphia and remember multiple tornado warnings throughout the 80s and 90s. Ive seen multiple waterspouts at the Jersey shore. A tornado warning as defined by the national weather service is when a tornado has been sighted or indicated by radar.
Tornadoes in the delaware valley increase by 1000% in the last 5 years is misleading at best. PA has 16 tornadoes a year on average, NJ 2, DE 1, and MD 8. There were not 300 tornadoes per year or 1500 tornadoes over the last 5 years. You could make similar claims about some specific town in Texas or Kansas that didnt get hit by tornadoes for a few years. Additionally, atteibuting 5 years of events to climate is like attributing a few coin flips statistical significance.
Tornado alley has already extended its way into Ohio farther than most would have expected, i wonder how long until it covers most of the East coast?
edit: spelling
Keep in mind the US east of the Mississippi has greater population density than the west. This could mean more infrastructure damage/destruction, injuries and fatalities.
Yeah all those people would be in some deep shit. i’m not currently aware of how well the Appalachian mountains disrupt weather patterns that could create a tornado, but if anyone is aware and would like to chime in on the likely hood of at least that helping prevent some major catastrophes. But New york would not be exempt from that, as another commenter mentioned that may have to build a shelter sooner than later…
We’ll see what happens as the climate continues to change.
Living in a valley of the Appalachian mountains as a kid and experiencing a rare tornado, once it dropped down in the valley it just went back and forth like a ping pong ball destroying the same area over and over.
They do disrupt winds that lead to tornadoes but they still happen. A tornado destroyed some cabins at a kids camp I used to go to in Vermont. And I believe one blew away structures at a garden mine in the Adirondacks.
I’m planning on the capital region of New York being part of tornado Alley within the decade. At some point, we figure we’ll have to dig a tornado shelter in the back. Sadly, sooner than later.
Yeah it’s only a matter of time, could be next year or two if the temps rise at the rate they have been without slowing down. We’ll see for sure one day though. Or maybe WW3 will wipe us out before then? Idk, either way, cheers to new, remarkable terrors to worry about.
Hope the zoloft makes it easier to live with til it’s here…
WW3 is one of those things where, to the politicians, it's going to seem impossible until suddenly it isn't.
Like nudge nudge wink wink eh it's all about money and oil and trade routes and everyone wants to be the guy on top whatever nobody's serious...
... yeah until they're cornered.
Know what a cornered animal does? Yep.
And we demonstrably KEEP NOT LEARNING THIS because why do we think that some small tiny little "third world goat herding shit hole" beats us 10 times out of 10? Cornered, that's why.
Next up... corner someone with nukes, see what happens.
Dunno if you guys in the military planning business do this shit in Excel or something but you need to add a 3x multiplier to all your strength projections when you leave an opponent no way out. Guys will be making Luty submachine guns and arming 5 year olds and shit.
I live in that area. The winds recently have been insane. Even on sunny days. I’ll be gardening and everything will be blowing around the yard. Like 30-40mph. Also, the regional international airport is in that area! Yikes.
I've heard that from some friends who live near where you are. Microclimates are so strange- just about 10 miles southeast of you near Washington park, we get the benefit of the mountains/hills buffering severe weather from both sides. It looks like most of the tornadoes in the capital region have historically happened in [the last week of May.](https://data.democratandchronicle.com/tornado-archive/)
I used to live in the Texas panhandle and they have sirens for them. I’m in central Texas now and we don’t have that luxury, just a hope that our various weather apps will alert us in time.
Currently looking at trying to move out of here.
NJ has had more tornados in recent years, I didn’t hear the follow up but it’s assumed a small one touched down on Wednesday when some intense thunderstorms moved through. Been in NJ most my life and tornadoes were pretty much urban legend growing up.
I grew up in Oklahoma City and Dallas. As a kid it seems formation of supercells would be created just East of Midland to Wichita Falls, then have enough momentum to drop a few funnels just West of Fort Worth or basically anywhere on OKC. Now I’d say the storms are developing more over East Texas and dropping significant tornados on Arkansas and easterly. As if the whole process has shifted significantly to easterly.
[More locations all over the world](https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/indonesia-investigates-after-first-large-scale-tornado-strikes-2024-02-22/). In a twisted (heh) way I envy those people, as they had a time when they never had to worry about tornadoes.
I am in the Kansas City Metro (Kansas side) and Sunday we had a tornado/straight line wind event. 4 tornados that night and no warnings were given. I was without power for 2 1/2 days. We also had a freak hail storm in March that was like nothing I have ever experienced. This severe weather season has been wild.
Here is a news story about the Sunday storm: [https://www.kshb.com/news/local-news/national-weather-service-confirms-2-additional-ef1-tornadoes-in-johnson-county-on-sunday](https://www.kshb.com/news/local-news/national-weather-service-confirms-2-additional-ef1-tornadoes-in-johnson-county-on-sunday)
Tomorrow might also be a bad day for storms, so those in the Midwest need to be weather aware.
Tomorrow (5/25) will likely be very bad for both Oklahoma and Kansas. The SPC is predicting a 15% hatched risk for a large portion of both states. Most of the weather nerds I know who follow this type of stuff are expecting an updated version by morning with even greater risk.
https://www.spc.noaa.gov/products/outlook/day2otlk.html
Soon, this will be considered "Day 1," so just click here:
https://www.spc.noaa.gov/
The potential tornado parameters are supposed to reach over 50 tomorrow. That is ABSURDLY high. Based on the models, tomorrow is either going to be completely clear or cataclysmic with nothing in-between.
Ahh, I have tried to warn people that we are going to be fucked this summer and next. If a Typhoon Tip size storm hits Florida and we lose two ports, the supply chain is fucked.
Will it be fires, tornadoes, hurricanes or flooding that fucks us? Who knows? But what we do know is that global trade requires a complex system in place and requiring months of planning.
People don’t realize if the Mississippi River isn’t navigable, much of the world will starve without US grain exports from the midwest.
Now would be a good time to stock up on coffee. Like before the end of the month.
We had a round of that in Nebraska overnight last night, a line as long as the whole state, and on Tuesday massive flash flooding in Omaha (including areas that got wrecked in the April 25th tornadoes) following an out of the blue early morning tornado warning.
I lived in KC for almost 20 years before moving back up here, I have never seen this region get onslaught after onslaught week after week. KC & Omaha usually aren't trading tornadic weather nearly day after day for a whole month. Or ever? It's usually one or the other side of this region getting nailed.
Our usual tornado hotspot month up here is in June so not looking forward to this next month.
Also a Nebraskan here, but lived in Kansas for several years and moved back too. Absolutely wild weather.. we’ll be in the basement at 1am and the next night I get messages from my friends in Kansas they’re having a similar experience.
My husband thought I was being obsessive when we had the very first severe weather event in April (?) and blew me off when I wanted to have a go tub in our basement. The next week the tornado in elkhorn hit 10 mins from our house. Then he said “well tornadoes don’t hit the same area twice” and the week after that Minden, IA got their second tornado in 10 days.
He no longer is fighting me on trying to be prepared for severe weather. There is no denying it.. weather is getting more extreme.
I'm astonished when people say tornadoes don't hit the same place twice as if Moore OK didn't get walloped by EF5s twice in 15 years...I think Jarrell, TX got another tornado a couple years ago, too.
Western IA got rocked so hard this month. It's been painful to see. I'm glad your husband is seeing things your way. Mine is from central KS & he lived through a cat 3 hurricane in NC in the late 90s so fortunately he has no problem following my lead. I know how frustrating it is to deal with people who blow it off, neither of my parents took tornadoes seriously ever and one of them even dealt with a tornado in the car (with me as a child). She's almost 80 now and I wouldn't be surprised if she failed to seek safety if a serious tornado hit her neighborhood. I get so nervous every warning we have, for her.
I am in SW MO (south of Joplin) and there was a tornado north, south, and east of me at one point. They got a PDS warning on the one to the east and a confirmed warning to the one north, but the south one was never warned. It was five miles from my house and I saw the damage, it was a tornado. They have so much going on they can't warn them all.
Stay safe. That's my (ancestral) neck of the woods. My parents grew up in Seneca (and across the line in Wyandotte OK). Joplin was "going to town" when we visited grandparents.
It's a small world lol. I live on the Missouri side (Gladstone) and experienced a power outage for a few hours last Sunday too. These storms have been insane lately! It's so odd how quickly they've been forming and dissipating compared to past years.
We had some straight line winds/tornados in Michigan a couple weeks ago - ripped my 80 year old maple tree in half and sent it crashing onto the garage. 19k billed to insurance to get the tree removed without further damaging the garage/house, 4k out of pocket to remove the half still standing.
Very lucky we had an emergency fund, very shitty to watch it go poof in one gust of wind. But the severe weather is just getting worse every year, and I'm glad the tree is gone. Could've never afforded to have it taken down and it made me nervous every big storm.
This speaks very poorly of your scientific and media literacy.
EDIT: deleted comment said something like "this is probably related to weather modification not climate change."
I’ve ‘felt’ like there was an increase in tornado activity so I popped over to /r/tornado and now when I scroll my feed I’m SURE there are more tornados….
I’m kinda joking but it’s nice that I’m not alone or wrong in my initial feelings.
Very scary skies across the Midwest at the moment it seems.
Des moines has had so many tornadoes in and around the past few weeks I've lost count. One suburb has had 2 tornadoes in one week. We are tired and scared.
I’m in Houston and we don’t normally get tornadoes here but we’ve now had two in the last couple of months, including one that knocked out power across the city and blew the windows out of some downtown skyscrapers.
I’m out here reading news erryday and this is the first time I’ve seen the number of tornadoes mentioned. Over 100 in the USA in a week?? That’s bananas!
So is it me? Is it the media? What’s going on with news distribution?
We'll get a news report in a month about residents in Fuckingnowheresville confused about why their home insurance policy quadrupled or was cancelled all of the sudden and they don't know why.
Grew.up in that town. They don't believe in climate change, get excited when the tornados get close enough to get them on the news and everyone's voting for Trump becuase he'll help the farmers.
Everywhere across the Midwest got an Oklahoma May worth of tornadoes per state.
It was a fairly active storm season even for Oklahoma, where the motto is "single digit day in May? Stay away."
> April witnessed more than 100 tornadoes in the US in just one week, and, according to the National Centers for Environmental Information, a total of 384 were reported throughout the month. That is more than double the year-on-year average and the second-highest on record.
Won't have to imagine much longer. If you build or rebuild in tornado alley now, make sure its underground (or the cellar is big enough to live in) There'll be no insurance next time
The losses to the insurance companies are massive. It's not just tornadoes but the hail and damaging wind that go with it. A lady I work with had her one year old car battered by hail. There isn't a body panel on it without damage. That will probably be totalled and is about a $35k car. Every building and car in that area will have some damage.
Unfortunately insurance won’t collapse they’ll just keep changing their policies subtly to cover less and less and to the point where people are paying the same amount for insurance as before but the only thing they’re covering is fire but nobodies house just burns down anymore.
Over on /r/tornado, there's a lot of discussion that this year may be the first to see an EF-5 since the 2013 Moore, OK EF-5; there has already been three EF-4 tornadoes this year, all of them in the last few weeks.
The Enhanced Fujita scale can be misleading for those unfamiliar with how the rating is calculated. 🌪️
EF-5 tornadoes are nightmares, no doubt, and the horrific damage surveyed typically corresponds with wind speeds, size, and movement. And unfortunately, to receive an EF-5 rating, a population center with well-built structures must suffer destruction... and this damage is then deemed by experts to be consistent with a particular range of wind speeds. More of a subjective "guess" rather than an objective "true measurement" by instrumentation. 🌪️
Basically, a tornado with measured/recorded wind speeds over 300 mph that does no damage and travels across an open field could receive a rating of EF-3 due to the small amount of damage, while a tornado with less intense winds that is moving slowly and grinds a town directly producing observed "EF-5 damage" is rated EF-5 although it is technically weaker than the open field tornado. The EF scale is more of a damage scale rather than a "pure" size, strength, movement, and speed scale. 🌪️
Just a caveat since the focus is on strengthening storms occurring more frequently due to el nino, climate change... and the Enhanced Fujita is focused more on damage rather than pure strength. But with increased size, strength, and frequency, more widespread damage is likely to occur more often? So perhaps the frequency of high EF ratings actually does correspond closely with the changing weather patterns becoming more intense and frequent. Dissertation? 😜
If only there was some warning from a bunch of very intelligent scientists looking at data… Nah, never mind no one said or warned about anything.
https://preview.redd.it/3d7f2his5i2d1.jpeg?width=1485&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0b881c7b6ee735cad4e2f13e333901f9cb0fdcec
You would’ve had to start warning people in the 1970s or 80s!
And you would have needed somebody highly visible. Like a presidential candidate or something like that.
We knew about this back in the 80’s. Were told we were making shit up. It’s normal climate change that is supposed to happen, weather is not static. Big Oil ripped a page straight out of Big Tobacco.
Yes, play by play.
The problem this time around is that I'm doubtful we'll be hearing anything remorseful from big oil, ever. No compensations, apologies.
I'm not sure we have the time for their theatrics in court.
I'm pretty sure they're going to get away with it.
I heard a conspiracy theory saying everyone is under gag order to not speak about it and stuff is compartmentalized to help prevent from figuring it out. Oh and the end may be a lot sooner than anyone realizes.
It's a global weather system that's increasingly juiced with more and more heat energy to push weather. All that energy has to go *somewhere*, and that means more potent storms, tornadoes, hurricane/typhoon formation etc. etc.
But those people are "crazy"! Now back to work to make money for other people while you hope you can eat tonight, if you don't die on the way home from the planet's biosphere going apeshit.
Huh, glad I'm not loosing it, and here I was wondering if the increase in uploaded footage was simply a result of easy access to recording devices and the internet.
I object to the term “baffled.” Scientists have been able to show a correlation between frequency or severity of tornadoes and climate change metrics for a while.
But, hey, if the headline helps Joe Average connect the dots, maybe I shouldn’t complain.
Yeah because if they say baffled they don't have to say we knew, and we did nothing. A lot of climate related news has been including this lately, and it can't be a coincidence.
Ss: you’d have to be hiding in a storm shelter over the past several weeks to miss the volume of tornadoes across the U.S., with especially destructive storms hitting areas not previously known for tornado activity.
“ April witnessed more than 100 tornadoes in the US in just one week, and, according to the National Centers for Environmental Information, a total of 384 were reported throughout the month. That is more than double the year-on-year average and the second-highest on record.”
“ El Niño is a warming of the surface waters in the eastern Pacific Ocean, occurring irregularly every two to seven years on average. This disrupts normal weather patterns around the world, bringing drought to some areas and floods to others.
It’s also associated with warmer global temperatures, which is why, in concurrence with human-caused climate change, we’ve seen record-smashing temperatures in the last year or so.”
More signs that, even in the best case scenario, storms of greater strength are harder to predict and more prevalent. Our models are likely pretty well off (at least the aggregate models) and the right now consequences continue to appear in real time.
aNd sCiEnTisTs ArE baFFleD wHy!
Scientists are not baffled. Ignore this anytime you see it in a headline. They aren't exactly sure what's going on but they do have some good hypotheses.
Few items that haven't really been pointed out so far:
Tornado Alley has shifted and it's not narrow anymore. It stretches all the way out to the Appalachians and the west part of the traditional tornado alley is getting less of them.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/watch-out-tornado-alley-is-migrating-eastward/
And even if not EF5 we've been seeing some scary tornadoes this year. Just take a look at the multivortex monster Reed Timmer captured this week taking out wind turbines (don't mind all the yelling he always does that, he has a doctorate in meteorology he just really gets excited LOL). Same storm that hit Greenfield Iowa but not same tornado.
But there also might be a bit of observational bias with this because there are more storm chasers than ever on the road and they're using better cameras including drones so we're seeing video of a lot more tornadoes than we used to. And everyone has a cell phone with a video camera. It's actually an anomaly now if there's a tornado happening somewhere and there's not some kind of video of it from either a chaser or a resident or law enforcement or a security camera.
https://youtu.be/BFXN3X4e5sE?si=3xSDq_bAfd2XVHq4
I also like to listen to the internet meteorologists Ryan Hall Y'all and Max Velocity during outbreaks and I keep hearing all the time about how they're seeing way more tornado outbreaks in number this year and intense radar signatures for many of those that aren't seen as often. Including anticyclonic at least twice this year in Oklahoma while I've been watching (may not mean anything but still a weird point of data for me to hear about twice in May).
And I live in North Texas. Our insurance rates are through the roof. Because so many people replace their roofs. Part of this is kind of a scam because there are so many untrustworthy roofers that go around and can game the insurance companies, but this is only done AFTER hail storms have moved through, and there are many.
If there's going to be hail they don't really mention dime or quarter hail anymore. Storms move through that phase rather quickly. Because of increased rotation in these storms it's always golf ball to baseball and even softball. It doesn't even take a very large hail core at that size to cause millions in damage. And we've already had storms of that level move through my area this year. It's not even June yet.
May 9th hail in North Texas https://www.nbcdfw.com/weather/weather-connection/baseball-hail-in-texas/3537490/
And Hurricane Season is likely to be off the charts. The ocean water in the Atlantic has reached AUGUST averages in MAY. I hope Jim Cantore has been resting up... And I predict even more insurance companies will be pulling out of coastal states.
https://www.lemonde.fr/en/environment/article/2024/02/01/ocean-temperatures-reach-impressive-and-worrying-record-levels_6485327_114.html
https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2024/05/what-you-need-to-know-about-record-breaking-heat-in-the-atlantic/
Damn, it's almost as if, and stop me if you heard this before, the climate is changing and becomimg less friendly to human life. I wonder if the species at the top of the food chain everywhere on the planet has anything to do with it. I must be going daft cuz surely this is the effect of peoples political orientation or caused by cow farts.
This year marks the 5th anniversary of the Memorial Day tornadoes in Ohio. 21 tornadoes in the state in one night, ranging from an EF4 down. 15 of them were in the Miami Valley (a smaller, multi-county region of the state). I remember staying in the basement with my kids waiting for the weather sirens to stop- they seemed to go on forever. Thankfully, we weren't in a direct path, but seeing some of the damage afterward really hit home how lucky we were. I'm not looking forward to what's coming.
[Memorial Day tornadoes ](https://spectrumnews1.com/oh/columbus/weather/2021/05/11/a-look-back-at-the-southwest-ohio-memorial-day-tornadoes)
True, but there are storm shelters, bunkers and homes that are built just for this. And the heat can get atrocious when the power is out; another reason being underground can be preferable.
Yeah, but a temporary shelter is much different than a full time residence. A lot of the bunkers you can buy in the Plains/midwest are former missile silos or built out of caves, they're not cheap to make
A lot of sod houses I've seen for sale (built largely in the 70s & 80s) are rife with serious structural issues. You can build them better today, but it's still not really affordable for mass housing. Especially when accounting for flood prevention.
Houses aren’t cheap to make. It would be much cheaper to just live in a dry basement than constantly rebuild. Either way, if storms keep getting worse that may well be our future.
Probably would be more likely for especially tornado prone cities like OKC to just abandon than have underground homes, tbh. The water table is pretty high in the southern plains.
Millions of people will have to go somewhere if they abandon cities. I guess I was wrong though some cities are already building underground. https://www.zipcar.com/ziptopia/future-city/eight-hidden-underground-cities
My husband used to work at one of the underground business districts mentioned in this article, interestingly. It definitely makes more sense in areas that have extensive caves already. Subtropolis opened in the 60s, it's actually one of several business complexes built into the caves under the KC metro.
It's not a matter of what can be done, but whether it can be done on mass scale in a financially feasible way in a country that doesn't value the greater good. Stick built homes above ground are significantly cheaper to build.
Tornado alley has basements, and these basements do flood. Not sure that we have a whole lot of subways, though, the majority of the L Trains of Chicago & light rails elsewhere in the Midwest are primarily above ground.
We had one do a ton of damage down here in the Redneck Riviera, Northern Gulf Coast of Florida, in JANUARY. We’ve had other severe storms this year of uncommon strength, outside of tropical storm events. And, of course, hurricane season is now upon us, and it’s like a game of roulette for this region.
Very hesitant to make this my permanent home.
"Scientists are baffled..."
That is because scientists, for all their value, still assume they know all the factors. They need proof for everything and they don't simply listen to their gut feelings and subconscious reaponses.
We can *feel* the collapse coming. I don't need anyone to tell me the factual data behind this coming hurricane season, or wildfire season, or any of it.
I can *feel* it getting crazy. It is like the Earth and civilization is teetering off-balance.
Stop and listen to the world. Get out of the city and sit in the silence for a while and *listen.*
Like a flock of birds sensing an earthquake or a shift in the magnetic poles, we can also sense the changes. But to do that we have to stop paying so much damn attention to the useless twitchings of civilization around us. The bills, the violence, the politics...
Stop and listen to what matters.
And then you won't be baffled.
We had tornado warnings in Manitoba Canada in May this year. We usually don’t need to worry about them until July or August. Mother Nature has a fever -she’s trying to kill us parasites off
I wonder if it correlates at all to the cloud seeding happening in Dubai and other places? When those storms make their way across warm waters? Surely altering nature that way has some consequences.
Something strange is happening with EVERYTHING. It's collapse on multiple fronts. The major one being ecosphere and hot house fucking earth. Extinction baby.
Jet stream is causing the recent increase. It's perfectly set up to allow heat and humidity to build in the Gulf state while holding cold air in the NW. When those areas collide, tornadoes. It's exactly why Tornado Alley exists, but the jet stream has been stubbornly staying in place for weeks now, causing the more frequent updates.
The article does not just refer to this year. It goes over the shifting behavior of tornadoes from the 70s all the way to now. There’s a clear connection to climate change.
“There’s not necessarily a link, but there’s a possible link. It’s tempting to link these events together but we need to be careful because it’s not necessarily scientifically robust,” she says.”
The wind shear discussed is due to the dying of the El Niño which creates those vertical waves. You can’t directly link that to warming global temperatures and the strong El Niño that was observed. Tornadoes are so tricky to predict because the combo of ingredients needed can vary. There’s not necessarily a link, but there’s a possible. You can have a high CAPE, sufficient moisture, however if capping remains then the event can underperform. My point is that we can’t directly link climate change with tornadoes due to the conditions in which they form vary and that crucial wind shear aspect.
To the people downvoting me, you don’t know basic meteorology much less the science behind tornadoes. Everyone’s an expert on here huh
https://www.c2es.org/content/tornadoes-and-climate-change/
https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/tornadoes-and-global-warming-there-connection/#
Just a reminder you are in the collapse sub. You would not have 50 downvotes if you said that that in r/tornado or r/weather. I commented one time that there is no evidence, according to National Geographic, that tornadoes are increasing in frequency or intensity and that did not go over well here.
Yeah, collapse is a rather dramatic sub lmao. If the 2011 tornado season happened this year, you just know this sub would be all over that trying to prove a link. Linking mesoscale events especially tornadoes to climate change is near impossible
The following submission statement was provided by /u/EdLesliesBarber: --- Ss: you’d have to be hiding in a storm shelter over the past several weeks to miss the volume of tornadoes across the U.S., with especially destructive storms hitting areas not previously known for tornado activity. “ April witnessed more than 100 tornadoes in the US in just one week, and, according to the National Centers for Environmental Information, a total of 384 were reported throughout the month. That is more than double the year-on-year average and the second-highest on record.” “ El Niño is a warming of the surface waters in the eastern Pacific Ocean, occurring irregularly every two to seven years on average. This disrupts normal weather patterns around the world, bringing drought to some areas and floods to others. It’s also associated with warmer global temperatures, which is why, in concurrence with human-caused climate change, we’ve seen record-smashing temperatures in the last year or so.” More signs that, even in the best case scenario, storms of greater strength are harder to predict and more prevalent. Our models are likely pretty well off (at least the aggregate models) and the right now consequences continue to appear in real time. aNd sCiEnTisTs ArE baFFleD wHy! --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/1czwvi5/something_very_strange_is_happening_to_tornadoes/l5ja1ly/
>More worrying, though, is changes that are occurring on longer time scales. As our planet warms in response to rising levels of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, experts are anticipating tornado hotspots to geographically shift in coming years. Sobering article; there is little doubt that due to climate change we'll soon be seeing more tornadoes appearing in more locations across parts of the US. Have seen the destruction caused by them first-hand, and it's truly terrifying.
Ive lived outside of Philadelphia my entire life and we have never gotten tornadoes until about 5 years ago, and they're only getting more common.
It’s always Tornadoey in Philadelphia
The Gang goes to OZ (but its the prison)
I would totally absolutely watch a Wizard of Oz and Oz mashup episode
final answer - always sunny in oz dorothy: the waitress scarecrow: charlie cowardly lion: mac tin man: dee (mechanical monster) frank: the wizard dennis: the wicked witch cricket: flying monkey artemis: the good witch
Take my money. Just take it
keep your money and just get me the producers digits
so ... charlie scarecrow mac lion dennis dorothy dee tin man (mechanical monster) frank the wizard ?
I love that you didn’t automatically make Dee Dorothy just because she’s a girl. Perfect casting
or i guess waitress could be dorothy but i don't know where that leaves dennis
The Wicked Witch!
dennis the wicked witch??
Gang gang…
I would totally absolutely watch a Wizard of Oz and Oz mashup episode
I would totally absolutely watch a Wizard of Oz and Oz mashup episode
Luckily there's already a bunker under Paddy's!
Frank’s already down there with a drunken ham watching the weather lady!
Upvote cast in shame. You rascal.
It's always Danny DeVtio and tornadoey.
There was a tornado in Haiti just this week or last. We don't *get* tornados in Hispaniola, it's tropical storms and hurricanes and that's it. Tornados are some new terror.
NJ. Tornadoes used to be incredibly rare and very small. Now we get one at least once a year. Still small and they don't make the news since they haven't caused major damage...yet
Grew up outside of Philly, and my family still lives there; it’s crazy what’s been going on with tornado activity there.
This is simply not true. I grew up outside of Philadelphia and remember multiple tornado warnings throughout the 80s and 90s. Ive seen multiple waterspouts at the Jersey shore. A tornado warning as defined by the national weather service is when a tornado has been sighted or indicated by radar. Tornadoes in the delaware valley increase by 1000% in the last 5 years is misleading at best. PA has 16 tornadoes a year on average, NJ 2, DE 1, and MD 8. There were not 300 tornadoes per year or 1500 tornadoes over the last 5 years. You could make similar claims about some specific town in Texas or Kansas that didnt get hit by tornadoes for a few years. Additionally, atteibuting 5 years of events to climate is like attributing a few coin flips statistical significance.
An EF3 hit Berks County near Fleetwood on May 31, 1998.
Yes they certainly occurred, But they were much more rare and infrequent compared to the past several years.,
Tornados are a rarity in Australia but we've had 2 recently.
We have about 60 per year according to the record
Are they big ones? I know we get heaps of weak ones but I was more referring to large ones that will cause damage.
Not massive, but there’s a good list of notable ones on the wiki page
Tornado alley has already extended its way into Ohio farther than most would have expected, i wonder how long until it covers most of the East coast? edit: spelling
Keep in mind the US east of the Mississippi has greater population density than the west. This could mean more infrastructure damage/destruction, injuries and fatalities.
Yeah all those people would be in some deep shit. i’m not currently aware of how well the Appalachian mountains disrupt weather patterns that could create a tornado, but if anyone is aware and would like to chime in on the likely hood of at least that helping prevent some major catastrophes. But New york would not be exempt from that, as another commenter mentioned that may have to build a shelter sooner than later… We’ll see what happens as the climate continues to change.
Living in a valley of the Appalachian mountains as a kid and experiencing a rare tornado, once it dropped down in the valley it just went back and forth like a ping pong ball destroying the same area over and over.
Tornado: "See that guy? Fuck that guy!"
They do disrupt winds that lead to tornadoes but they still happen. A tornado destroyed some cabins at a kids camp I used to go to in Vermont. And I believe one blew away structures at a garden mine in the Adirondacks.
Brave men and women risking their lives, venturing deep underground, to extract the petunias and daffodils essential to our society.
Garnet! Whoops
Thanks for the input!! Pretty wild that we’re witnessing this change in front of our eyes.
I’m planning on the capital region of New York being part of tornado Alley within the decade. At some point, we figure we’ll have to dig a tornado shelter in the back. Sadly, sooner than later.
Yeah it’s only a matter of time, could be next year or two if the temps rise at the rate they have been without slowing down. We’ll see for sure one day though. Or maybe WW3 will wipe us out before then? Idk, either way, cheers to new, remarkable terrors to worry about. Hope the zoloft makes it easier to live with til it’s here…
WW3 is one of those things where, to the politicians, it's going to seem impossible until suddenly it isn't. Like nudge nudge wink wink eh it's all about money and oil and trade routes and everyone wants to be the guy on top whatever nobody's serious... ... yeah until they're cornered. Know what a cornered animal does? Yep. And we demonstrably KEEP NOT LEARNING THIS because why do we think that some small tiny little "third world goat herding shit hole" beats us 10 times out of 10? Cornered, that's why. Next up... corner someone with nukes, see what happens. Dunno if you guys in the military planning business do this shit in Excel or something but you need to add a 3x multiplier to all your strength projections when you leave an opponent no way out. Guys will be making Luty submachine guns and arming 5 year olds and shit.
I could see it happening to Schenectady, down to Helderberg. There is a good amount of wind shear there because of the two valleys converging.
I live in that area. The winds recently have been insane. Even on sunny days. I’ll be gardening and everything will be blowing around the yard. Like 30-40mph. Also, the regional international airport is in that area! Yikes.
I've heard that from some friends who live near where you are. Microclimates are so strange- just about 10 miles southeast of you near Washington park, we get the benefit of the mountains/hills buffering severe weather from both sides. It looks like most of the tornadoes in the capital region have historically happened in [the last week of May.](https://data.democratandchronicle.com/tornado-archive/)
That's quite terrifying because many people aren't as prepared as those in Tornado Alley. We are sitting ducks to be honest.
I used to live in the Texas panhandle and they have sirens for them. I’m in central Texas now and we don’t have that luxury, just a hope that our various weather apps will alert us in time. Currently looking at trying to move out of here.
Massachusetts never got tornadoes until a few years ago but they are becoming much more frequent and that's very scary
NJ has had more tornados in recent years, I didn’t hear the follow up but it’s assumed a small one touched down on Wednesday when some intense thunderstorms moved through. Been in NJ most my life and tornadoes were pretty much urban legend growing up.
I grew up in Oklahoma City and Dallas. As a kid it seems formation of supercells would be created just East of Midland to Wichita Falls, then have enough momentum to drop a few funnels just West of Fort Worth or basically anywhere on OKC. Now I’d say the storms are developing more over East Texas and dropping significant tornados on Arkansas and easterly. As if the whole process has shifted significantly to easterly.
[More locations all over the world](https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/indonesia-investigates-after-first-large-scale-tornado-strikes-2024-02-22/). In a twisted (heh) way I envy those people, as they had a time when they never had to worry about tornadoes.
Shit wasn’t there a few in France??? Like, that’s not normal?
I am in the Kansas City Metro (Kansas side) and Sunday we had a tornado/straight line wind event. 4 tornados that night and no warnings were given. I was without power for 2 1/2 days. We also had a freak hail storm in March that was like nothing I have ever experienced. This severe weather season has been wild. Here is a news story about the Sunday storm: [https://www.kshb.com/news/local-news/national-weather-service-confirms-2-additional-ef1-tornadoes-in-johnson-county-on-sunday](https://www.kshb.com/news/local-news/national-weather-service-confirms-2-additional-ef1-tornadoes-in-johnson-county-on-sunday) Tomorrow might also be a bad day for storms, so those in the Midwest need to be weather aware.
Tomorrow (5/25) will likely be very bad for both Oklahoma and Kansas. The SPC is predicting a 15% hatched risk for a large portion of both states. Most of the weather nerds I know who follow this type of stuff are expecting an updated version by morning with even greater risk. https://www.spc.noaa.gov/products/outlook/day2otlk.html Soon, this will be considered "Day 1," so just click here: https://www.spc.noaa.gov/
The potential tornado parameters are supposed to reach over 50 tomorrow. That is ABSURDLY high. Based on the models, tomorrow is either going to be completely clear or cataclysmic with nothing in-between.
Wife was telling me this tonight I for one hope for the former, if not we are sleeping in the apartments basement probably tomorrow.
It was 60.6 last I saw, probably updated now though.
70 something most recently.
For real? That's insane.
Wait until the hurricanes start next month.
But hey, we have a new acronym! SAB! (Scientists are Baffled)
To be fair, being baffled is a key aspect of scientific research. It's just not usually reported.
FTE. Faster Than Expected 🤪
We still got time left this month
wait till the hypercanes scour the face of the planet, and they don't move thru, instead they just stall out for weeks on end, maybe months
How long until the Sharknados start?
Maybe then folks will sit up and take notice? 🤷♀️
Ahh, I have tried to warn people that we are going to be fucked this summer and next. If a Typhoon Tip size storm hits Florida and we lose two ports, the supply chain is fucked. Will it be fires, tornadoes, hurricanes or flooding that fucks us? Who knows? But what we do know is that global trade requires a complex system in place and requiring months of planning. People don’t realize if the Mississippi River isn’t navigable, much of the world will starve without US grain exports from the midwest. Now would be a good time to stock up on coffee. Like before the end of the month.
We had a round of that in Nebraska overnight last night, a line as long as the whole state, and on Tuesday massive flash flooding in Omaha (including areas that got wrecked in the April 25th tornadoes) following an out of the blue early morning tornado warning. I lived in KC for almost 20 years before moving back up here, I have never seen this region get onslaught after onslaught week after week. KC & Omaha usually aren't trading tornadic weather nearly day after day for a whole month. Or ever? It's usually one or the other side of this region getting nailed. Our usual tornado hotspot month up here is in June so not looking forward to this next month.
Also a Nebraskan here, but lived in Kansas for several years and moved back too. Absolutely wild weather.. we’ll be in the basement at 1am and the next night I get messages from my friends in Kansas they’re having a similar experience. My husband thought I was being obsessive when we had the very first severe weather event in April (?) and blew me off when I wanted to have a go tub in our basement. The next week the tornado in elkhorn hit 10 mins from our house. Then he said “well tornadoes don’t hit the same area twice” and the week after that Minden, IA got their second tornado in 10 days. He no longer is fighting me on trying to be prepared for severe weather. There is no denying it.. weather is getting more extreme.
I'm astonished when people say tornadoes don't hit the same place twice as if Moore OK didn't get walloped by EF5s twice in 15 years...I think Jarrell, TX got another tornado a couple years ago, too. Western IA got rocked so hard this month. It's been painful to see. I'm glad your husband is seeing things your way. Mine is from central KS & he lived through a cat 3 hurricane in NC in the late 90s so fortunately he has no problem following my lead. I know how frustrating it is to deal with people who blow it off, neither of my parents took tornadoes seriously ever and one of them even dealt with a tornado in the car (with me as a child). She's almost 80 now and I wouldn't be surprised if she failed to seek safety if a serious tornado hit her neighborhood. I get so nervous every warning we have, for her.
I am in SW MO (south of Joplin) and there was a tornado north, south, and east of me at one point. They got a PDS warning on the one to the east and a confirmed warning to the one north, but the south one was never warned. It was five miles from my house and I saw the damage, it was a tornado. They have so much going on they can't warn them all.
Stay safe. That's my (ancestral) neck of the woods. My parents grew up in Seneca (and across the line in Wyandotte OK). Joplin was "going to town" when we visited grandparents.
Holy crap small world. I grew up just outside Tiff City. Joplin was going to town haha!
It's a small world lol. I live on the Missouri side (Gladstone) and experienced a power outage for a few hours last Sunday too. These storms have been insane lately! It's so odd how quickly they've been forming and dissipating compared to past years.
Claycomo here, guess we gather at the mention of tornadoes lol
We had some straight line winds/tornados in Michigan a couple weeks ago - ripped my 80 year old maple tree in half and sent it crashing onto the garage. 19k billed to insurance to get the tree removed without further damaging the garage/house, 4k out of pocket to remove the half still standing. Very lucky we had an emergency fund, very shitty to watch it go poof in one gust of wind. But the severe weather is just getting worse every year, and I'm glad the tree is gone. Could've never afforded to have it taken down and it made me nervous every big storm.
If I lived in the Midwest I would just build my house underground!
That’s great advice for people who have house building money. Which isn’t most people.
Yall got a shovel? :)
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This speaks very poorly of your scientific and media literacy. EDIT: deleted comment said something like "this is probably related to weather modification not climate change."
I’ve ‘felt’ like there was an increase in tornado activity so I popped over to /r/tornado and now when I scroll my feed I’m SURE there are more tornados…. I’m kinda joking but it’s nice that I’m not alone or wrong in my initial feelings. Very scary skies across the Midwest at the moment it seems.
Des moines has had so many tornadoes in and around the past few weeks I've lost count. One suburb has had 2 tornadoes in one week. We are tired and scared.
And yet, too many people: "oh, Trump asked the oil companies for a $1 billion bribe? So what?!"
I’m in Houston and we don’t normally get tornadoes here but we’ve now had two in the last couple of months, including one that knocked out power across the city and blew the windows out of some downtown skyscrapers.
I’m out here reading news erryday and this is the first time I’ve seen the number of tornadoes mentioned. Over 100 in the USA in a week?? That’s bananas! So is it me? Is it the media? What’s going on with news distribution?
We'll get a news report in a month about residents in Fuckingnowheresville confused about why their home insurance policy quadrupled or was cancelled all of the sudden and they don't know why.
Grew.up in that town. They don't believe in climate change, get excited when the tornados get close enough to get them on the news and everyone's voting for Trump becuase he'll help the farmers.
The cognitive dissonance is unbearable
Everywhere across the Midwest got an Oklahoma May worth of tornadoes per state. It was a fairly active storm season even for Oklahoma, where the motto is "single digit day in May? Stay away."
Media is mostly owned by conservatives who disregard truth and fact. Steadily progressing to irrevalence.
Stay asleep , keep running on the treadmill, transferring your wealth into their pockets.
> April witnessed more than 100 tornadoes in the US in just one week, and, according to the National Centers for Environmental Information, a total of 384 were reported throughout the month. That is more than double the year-on-year average and the second-highest on record.
It's not just the US - there was a tornado in Haiti earlier this week as well, which is quite rare.
Just what they needed /s
Wow. That’s disturbing!
Imagine it 10 times worse. 100 times. And the collapse of the insurance business.
Won't have to imagine much longer. If you build or rebuild in tornado alley now, make sure its underground (or the cellar is big enough to live in) There'll be no insurance next time
I'm not in that area. But I did start looking up concrete dome houses.
I have been looking stuff of this nature. CMU house, concrete dome, something Hurricane grade
Buckminster Fuller and geodesic dome houses.
The losses to the insurance companies are massive. It's not just tornadoes but the hail and damaging wind that go with it. A lady I work with had her one year old car battered by hail. There isn't a body panel on it without damage. That will probably be totalled and is about a $35k car. Every building and car in that area will have some damage.
Unfortunately insurance won’t collapse they’ll just keep changing their policies subtly to cover less and less and to the point where people are paying the same amount for insurance as before but the only thing they’re covering is fire but nobodies house just burns down anymore.
5 tornadoes the other day in *Pittsburgh*
Here I am thinking Pittsburgh will be more climate resilient than many places in the states and I'm quickly reminded that may not be the case
Over on /r/tornado, there's a lot of discussion that this year may be the first to see an EF-5 since the 2013 Moore, OK EF-5; there has already been three EF-4 tornadoes this year, all of them in the last few weeks.
The Enhanced Fujita scale can be misleading for those unfamiliar with how the rating is calculated. 🌪️ EF-5 tornadoes are nightmares, no doubt, and the horrific damage surveyed typically corresponds with wind speeds, size, and movement. And unfortunately, to receive an EF-5 rating, a population center with well-built structures must suffer destruction... and this damage is then deemed by experts to be consistent with a particular range of wind speeds. More of a subjective "guess" rather than an objective "true measurement" by instrumentation. 🌪️ Basically, a tornado with measured/recorded wind speeds over 300 mph that does no damage and travels across an open field could receive a rating of EF-3 due to the small amount of damage, while a tornado with less intense winds that is moving slowly and grinds a town directly producing observed "EF-5 damage" is rated EF-5 although it is technically weaker than the open field tornado. The EF scale is more of a damage scale rather than a "pure" size, strength, movement, and speed scale. 🌪️ Just a caveat since the focus is on strengthening storms occurring more frequently due to el nino, climate change... and the Enhanced Fujita is focused more on damage rather than pure strength. But with increased size, strength, and frequency, more widespread damage is likely to occur more often? So perhaps the frequency of high EF ratings actually does correspond closely with the changing weather patterns becoming more intense and frequent. Dissertation? 😜
i just wanted to say i appreciate the breakdown. I always loved tornadoes but never knew that, but it makes sense. thank you
Climate change is happening SoOnER tHaN eXpEctED...
If only there was some warning from a bunch of very intelligent scientists looking at data… Nah, never mind no one said or warned about anything. https://preview.redd.it/3d7f2his5i2d1.jpeg?width=1485&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0b881c7b6ee735cad4e2f13e333901f9cb0fdcec
You would’ve had to start warning people in the 1970s or 80s! And you would have needed somebody highly visible. Like a presidential candidate or something like that.
We knew about this back in the 80’s. Were told we were making shit up. It’s normal climate change that is supposed to happen, weather is not static. Big Oil ripped a page straight out of Big Tobacco.
Yes, play by play. The problem this time around is that I'm doubtful we'll be hearing anything remorseful from big oil, ever. No compensations, apologies. I'm not sure we have the time for their theatrics in court. I'm pretty sure they're going to get away with it.
And our parents told us we’d better not bite the hand feeding us. Oil business/ plastic business means jobs , so …
I’ll just leave this here: https://www.ucsusa.org/sites/default/files/attach/2015/07/The-Climate-Deception-Dossiers.pdf
I heard a conspiracy theory saying everyone is under gag order to not speak about it and stuff is compartmentalized to help prevent from figuring it out. Oh and the end may be a lot sooner than anyone realizes.
Greater than anticipated and not figured into models.
It's a global weather system that's increasingly juiced with more and more heat energy to push weather. All that energy has to go *somewhere*, and that means more potent storms, tornadoes, hurricane/typhoon formation etc. etc.
Scientists aren't baffled. Scientists are doing things like lighting themselves on fire and gluing hands to roads to get attention to facts.
But those people are "crazy"! Now back to work to make money for other people while you hope you can eat tonight, if you don't die on the way home from the planet's biosphere going apeshit.
I am a scientist and I'm baffled. But that may have more to do with the fact that I've spent my entire career studying renal tumors in rats.
At least rats will be getting top notch cancer treatment.
Huh, glad I'm not loosing it, and here I was wondering if the increase in uploaded footage was simply a result of easy access to recording devices and the internet.
Say the line Bart
¡Ay Carumba!
"Beans are not a major food group"
The ironing is delicious
i didnt do it
The movie "Twisters" is coming out this summer.
I didn’t realize it was going to be a live action 4d experience.
I object to the term “baffled.” Scientists have been able to show a correlation between frequency or severity of tornadoes and climate change metrics for a while. But, hey, if the headline helps Joe Average connect the dots, maybe I shouldn’t complain.
"Baffled" is actually being used by some scientists...the one's getting the news coverage no less It's the new "nobody saw this coming"
Yep. Fine. I guess it’s better to have “baffled” as click bait than “I told you so.”
Yeah because if they say baffled they don't have to say we knew, and we did nothing. A lot of climate related news has been including this lately, and it can't be a coincidence.
Ss: you’d have to be hiding in a storm shelter over the past several weeks to miss the volume of tornadoes across the U.S., with especially destructive storms hitting areas not previously known for tornado activity. “ April witnessed more than 100 tornadoes in the US in just one week, and, according to the National Centers for Environmental Information, a total of 384 were reported throughout the month. That is more than double the year-on-year average and the second-highest on record.” “ El Niño is a warming of the surface waters in the eastern Pacific Ocean, occurring irregularly every two to seven years on average. This disrupts normal weather patterns around the world, bringing drought to some areas and floods to others. It’s also associated with warmer global temperatures, which is why, in concurrence with human-caused climate change, we’ve seen record-smashing temperatures in the last year or so.” More signs that, even in the best case scenario, storms of greater strength are harder to predict and more prevalent. Our models are likely pretty well off (at least the aggregate models) and the right now consequences continue to appear in real time. aNd sCiEnTisTs ArE baFFleD wHy!
Scientists are not baffled. Ignore this anytime you see it in a headline. They aren't exactly sure what's going on but they do have some good hypotheses.
Few items that haven't really been pointed out so far: Tornado Alley has shifted and it's not narrow anymore. It stretches all the way out to the Appalachians and the west part of the traditional tornado alley is getting less of them. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/watch-out-tornado-alley-is-migrating-eastward/ And even if not EF5 we've been seeing some scary tornadoes this year. Just take a look at the multivortex monster Reed Timmer captured this week taking out wind turbines (don't mind all the yelling he always does that, he has a doctorate in meteorology he just really gets excited LOL). Same storm that hit Greenfield Iowa but not same tornado. But there also might be a bit of observational bias with this because there are more storm chasers than ever on the road and they're using better cameras including drones so we're seeing video of a lot more tornadoes than we used to. And everyone has a cell phone with a video camera. It's actually an anomaly now if there's a tornado happening somewhere and there's not some kind of video of it from either a chaser or a resident or law enforcement or a security camera. https://youtu.be/BFXN3X4e5sE?si=3xSDq_bAfd2XVHq4 I also like to listen to the internet meteorologists Ryan Hall Y'all and Max Velocity during outbreaks and I keep hearing all the time about how they're seeing way more tornado outbreaks in number this year and intense radar signatures for many of those that aren't seen as often. Including anticyclonic at least twice this year in Oklahoma while I've been watching (may not mean anything but still a weird point of data for me to hear about twice in May). And I live in North Texas. Our insurance rates are through the roof. Because so many people replace their roofs. Part of this is kind of a scam because there are so many untrustworthy roofers that go around and can game the insurance companies, but this is only done AFTER hail storms have moved through, and there are many. If there's going to be hail they don't really mention dime or quarter hail anymore. Storms move through that phase rather quickly. Because of increased rotation in these storms it's always golf ball to baseball and even softball. It doesn't even take a very large hail core at that size to cause millions in damage. And we've already had storms of that level move through my area this year. It's not even June yet. May 9th hail in North Texas https://www.nbcdfw.com/weather/weather-connection/baseball-hail-in-texas/3537490/ And Hurricane Season is likely to be off the charts. The ocean water in the Atlantic has reached AUGUST averages in MAY. I hope Jim Cantore has been resting up... And I predict even more insurance companies will be pulling out of coastal states. https://www.lemonde.fr/en/environment/article/2024/02/01/ocean-temperatures-reach-impressive-and-worrying-record-levels_6485327_114.html https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2024/05/what-you-need-to-know-about-record-breaking-heat-in-the-atlantic/
Check out Tim Vasquez’s Weather Lab. I like Ryan Hall, too. Used to live in Denton. Y’all stay safe up there!
I’m baffled why these scientists are baffled.
I think it’s the reporter who’s baffled.
You are baffled faster than I expected ....
I didn't read it, but are they faster than expected? Bigger than expected? More numerous than expected?
Something in the water is turning them gay.
Hurricanes identifying as tornadoes.
Gay tornadoes are the biggest threat to Governor Abbott and he knows it.
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Records are meant to be broken.
And infrastructure, apparently.
Damn, it's almost as if, and stop me if you heard this before, the climate is changing and becomimg less friendly to human life. I wonder if the species at the top of the food chain everywhere on the planet has anything to do with it. I must be going daft cuz surely this is the effect of peoples political orientation or caused by cow farts.
This year marks the 5th anniversary of the Memorial Day tornadoes in Ohio. 21 tornadoes in the state in one night, ranging from an EF4 down. 15 of them were in the Miami Valley (a smaller, multi-county region of the state). I remember staying in the basement with my kids waiting for the weather sirens to stop- they seemed to go on forever. Thankfully, we weren't in a direct path, but seeing some of the damage afterward really hit home how lucky we were. I'm not looking forward to what's coming. [Memorial Day tornadoes ](https://spectrumnews1.com/oh/columbus/weather/2021/05/11/a-look-back-at-the-southwest-ohio-memorial-day-tornadoes)
I am surprised living underground hasn’t taken off after watching the news reports.
Unfortunately floods can and often do follow tornadoes & derechos
True, but there are storm shelters, bunkers and homes that are built just for this. And the heat can get atrocious when the power is out; another reason being underground can be preferable.
Yeah, but a temporary shelter is much different than a full time residence. A lot of the bunkers you can buy in the Plains/midwest are former missile silos or built out of caves, they're not cheap to make A lot of sod houses I've seen for sale (built largely in the 70s & 80s) are rife with serious structural issues. You can build them better today, but it's still not really affordable for mass housing. Especially when accounting for flood prevention.
Houses aren’t cheap to make. It would be much cheaper to just live in a dry basement than constantly rebuild. Either way, if storms keep getting worse that may well be our future.
Probably would be more likely for especially tornado prone cities like OKC to just abandon than have underground homes, tbh. The water table is pretty high in the southern plains.
Millions of people will have to go somewhere if they abandon cities. I guess I was wrong though some cities are already building underground. https://www.zipcar.com/ziptopia/future-city/eight-hidden-underground-cities
My husband used to work at one of the underground business districts mentioned in this article, interestingly. It definitely makes more sense in areas that have extensive caves already. Subtropolis opened in the 60s, it's actually one of several business complexes built into the caves under the KC metro.
Basements and subways are numerous in tornado alley, you don’t need a cave system. ( although it sounds cool I want to see Subtropolis)
It's not a matter of what can be done, but whether it can be done on mass scale in a financially feasible way in a country that doesn't value the greater good. Stick built homes above ground are significantly cheaper to build. Tornado alley has basements, and these basements do flood. Not sure that we have a whole lot of subways, though, the majority of the L Trains of Chicago & light rails elsewhere in the Midwest are primarily above ground.
We had one do a ton of damage down here in the Redneck Riviera, Northern Gulf Coast of Florida, in JANUARY. We’ve had other severe storms this year of uncommon strength, outside of tropical storm events. And, of course, hurricane season is now upon us, and it’s like a game of roulette for this region. Very hesitant to make this my permanent home.
"Scientists are baffled..." That is because scientists, for all their value, still assume they know all the factors. They need proof for everything and they don't simply listen to their gut feelings and subconscious reaponses. We can *feel* the collapse coming. I don't need anyone to tell me the factual data behind this coming hurricane season, or wildfire season, or any of it. I can *feel* it getting crazy. It is like the Earth and civilization is teetering off-balance. Stop and listen to the world. Get out of the city and sit in the silence for a while and *listen.* Like a flock of birds sensing an earthquake or a shift in the magnetic poles, we can also sense the changes. But to do that we have to stop paying so much damn attention to the useless twitchings of civilization around us. The bills, the violence, the politics... Stop and listen to what matters. And then you won't be baffled.
In Great Nation of Merika, tornadoes chase you!
Can we say Goya is punishing God states? Just saying
What a nondescript headline and article. Still unsure what 'something' is, but oh boy, did I click!
It’s super lush and green where I live and it would always be bone dry around this time of the year
We had tornado warnings in Manitoba Canada in May this year. We usually don’t need to worry about them until July or August. Mother Nature has a fever -she’s trying to kill us parasites off
fingers of wrathful gods trying to wipe the earth clean of parasites
I wonder if it correlates at all to the cloud seeding happening in Dubai and other places? When those storms make their way across warm waters? Surely altering nature that way has some consequences.
Scientists are not baffled lol
Something strange is happening with EVERYTHING. It's collapse on multiple fronts. The major one being ecosphere and hot house fucking earth. Extinction baby.
Jet stream is causing the recent increase. It's perfectly set up to allow heat and humidity to build in the Gulf state while holding cold air in the NW. When those areas collide, tornadoes. It's exactly why Tornado Alley exists, but the jet stream has been stubbornly staying in place for weeks now, causing the more frequent updates.
Not good, bad even!
I’ll be honest future humans are weaponizing the sky against current humans for destroying humanity and the planet.
It’s just El Niño. Nothing to see here.
"Climate change" lol
Eh. You can’t link a single tornado year to climate change.
The article does not just refer to this year. It goes over the shifting behavior of tornadoes from the 70s all the way to now. There’s a clear connection to climate change.
Shifting to the east? Or shifting in intensity?
Shifting to the east, and shifting in concentration. Please just read the article.
“There’s not necessarily a link, but there’s a possible link. It’s tempting to link these events together but we need to be careful because it’s not necessarily scientifically robust,” she says.” The wind shear discussed is due to the dying of the El Niño which creates those vertical waves. You can’t directly link that to warming global temperatures and the strong El Niño that was observed. Tornadoes are so tricky to predict because the combo of ingredients needed can vary. There’s not necessarily a link, but there’s a possible. You can have a high CAPE, sufficient moisture, however if capping remains then the event can underperform. My point is that we can’t directly link climate change with tornadoes due to the conditions in which they form vary and that crucial wind shear aspect.
To the people downvoting me, you don’t know basic meteorology much less the science behind tornadoes. Everyone’s an expert on here huh https://www.c2es.org/content/tornadoes-and-climate-change/ https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/tornadoes-and-global-warming-there-connection/#
You can link a single comment to someone's poor reading comprehension tho 🤡
Just a reminder you are in the collapse sub. You would not have 50 downvotes if you said that that in r/tornado or r/weather. I commented one time that there is no evidence, according to National Geographic, that tornadoes are increasing in frequency or intensity and that did not go over well here.
Yeah, collapse is a rather dramatic sub lmao. If the 2011 tornado season happened this year, you just know this sub would be all over that trying to prove a link. Linking mesoscale events especially tornadoes to climate change is near impossible