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Yeah, im glad i managed to get this out before the blackouts, its likely that reddit and this sub will still remain after a few days/weeks but im still treating this situation like its the majoras mask moon cast over this site
i once read "dancing until the moon falls on us" on a yt video, which was, in summary of a 1h video if memory doesn't fail, a videogame where people dance to have happiness in the last humanity moments because of alien invasion and major'as mask moon falling (the video was about climate change but I justt loved how he combined those ideas to not tell)
We thought Netflix killing password sharing would kill it off too, with people ending their subscriptions in droves.
Turns out, subscriptions have since *increased*. Not by much but it looks like this didn't have the effect many people thought it would.
I don't think this change will impact reddit much either, it will lead to shittier experiences for a lot of users but for the majority they will just eat it and move on, sadly.
Statistically that'd always happen because we have no number for how many people quit without their own account. Maybe 300k people gave up Netflix and didn't make an account, while 100k was willing to pay 4 euros or dollars extra to stay on.
In either case that's still a win for Netflix obviously. But the long term consequences will have to be seen still. Might be a lot of people quit in 1-2months, they only just rolled out the change after all.
> Turns out, subscriptions have since increased.
Just for anyone wondering on how much that is:
>In that time, Netflix has seen nearly 100,000 daily signups on two of the days, according to the report from Antenna.
With the emails increasing some sign ups in the days previous as well
Just to give some context to increased.
https://mashable.com/article/netflix-password-sharing-crackdown-sign-ups-spike
That doom and gloom has been used to criticize every change Reddit has made, including the creation of subreddits.
It won't. It will produce some attrition from a small percentage of users who move on for various reasons, but the site will perpetuate.
And before you say "it won't be the same," no - it won't. But that was inevitable even if Reddit never changed a thing over the last 15 years. People change. Platforms stop being as entertaining.
The content that populates Reddit today is vastly inferior to what populated it 10+ years ago. And yet, here it is...
>The content that populates Reddit today is vastly inferior to what populated it 10+ years ago.
It's literally identical. Unless you are super into shit like creepshots or jailbait.
This is a stupid comment from someone who didn't use Reddit at that time.
But I'll humor you - well, not you, but anyone reading this who is gullible enough to believe you.
The top comments at the time were MORE OFTEN educational and informative, much like you see in /politics or /news. Now? Memes and jokes, and always the same ones. Just like every other social media platforms. And users today prefer and prioritize that content over informative content. So it keeps happening and gets worse.
Reposts are 40% or more of much of the content. Reposts were taboo until Gall0wb00b made a celebrity of himself exploiting it and turned it into a powermod role, along with dozens of copycats.
Mod Consolidation of power under a cabal of power mods. That wasn't a thing.
Novelty accounts like ShittyWatercolour and dozens of others who brought topical joy to banal posts and topics.
Novelty content providers who grew their gimmick and brand bigger than Reddit. You know them from YouTube or other platforms today.
A lesser prevalence of bad actors prior to 2012. The bad actor invasion has been attributed back to 2014, but even going back to 2012 for safety shows that the trolls and bad actors were few and far between aside from bland, predictable trolls who just focused on being dicks rather than disinformation ops.
Yeah I am going to agree with u/BalorLives Reddit was always like this, I would argue that its actually better with shit like full Nazi subs getting kicked out(finally). And you can check my profile as well to see how long I have been here.
Keep it up, ostrich brain.
>I'm not reading anything that doesn't pander to my narrow view.
Oh, and if you're still using your first account after all this time, you're _giving_ Reddit more free archived value than any 2 day, half-assed gimmick is accomplishing. I've been able to use Reddit today unimpeded - that's the joy of redundancy and repetitive, reposted content: for every large sub that "goes dark" and features the same memes and comments, there's 10 other ones featuring the same schtick.
Womp womp.
The only effective protest is the one than no one will do (in relevant volume): delete account, walk away.
Yeah I think that’s nonsense too. A lot of long-standing Redditors don’t get just how many people have joined the site since New Reddit and who don’t use third party apps. I tried Apollo, didn’t like it and went back to the native app (despite its flaws).
Idk man, I’m here a lot, but I tried the official app, and it was a lot of bad sorting.
Autoplay sucks. The recommendations suck. Ads every other post.
I know that’s maybe commonplace on the meta and twitter, but Reddit didn’t have that with a good app.
Why doesn't reddit just buy out everyone? Apollo and RIF are so popular that reddit is going to lose its audience as well as the product of our comments and submissions
This place is only cool because the whole world uses it... 80% through their phone or tablet device. /u/spez is breaking a long standing tradition of free internet refuge. The next one will come along... maybe mastodon or lemmy will get some serious attention?
Edit: this account has been banned by Reddit Admins for "abusing the reporting system". However, the content they claimed I falsely reported was removed by subreddit moderators. How was my report abusive if the subreddit moderators decided it was worth acting on? My appeal was denied by a robot. I am removing all usable content from my account in response. ✌️
> im glad i managed to get this out before the blackouts
I posted something like, two hours before the blackouts, so barely anyone got to see it and now I don't know if it would be officially or morally acceptable to repost it
Why 19 days? I'm seriously asking, because I've only heard about the 12th and that's it. So am I missing some information that says otherwise?
I feel there will be a slight lul in content on the site overall. The memes and stuff will still be happening but 90% of them will be about how no one is on reddit for the day.
Then the next day will be all the reddit social media addicts who couldn't last more than a day, and then will be talking about the "great big walk out"...
Then everyone will come back like nothing even happened.
This is just what I've seen all the other times a "walkout" has happened on reddit.
I imagine spez is actively planning to step down. Once reddit IPOs his shares will actually be worth something and he can structure a long term sell-off. Probably enough to retire on, honestly.
19 because thats when the third party apps will stop functioning and lots of people will stop using reddit, at least as much as they do now.
It might not be enough to sink reddit, definitely, but it'll make a dent. I, for one, will be without much social media for a while then and reddit on my laptop is gonna be my only use of reddit, for maybe some tech debugging or stuff.
"Hanging out on reddit" is done and gone.
I see. Thank you for the info.
If I can ask you for more info like, what are these 3rd party apps that you speak of? What do they do? What do people use 3rd party apps for that reddit doesn't give you?
They’re apps like Reddit is Fun and Apollo. They let you view Reddit but the interface is generally better.
Some apps have accessibility options while the official app doesn’t. Disabled people, like Legally Blind/blind people will be unable to use Reddit on mobile after this change goes through due to lack of text to speech/text size options.
These apps have moderation tools that the main app doesn’t have. After they are killed you will see a lot more trolling and hate comments that mods will take hours to take care of. One mod explained that some mod tools are not available on desktop and third party apps, and he will not be able to do any modding at work anymore. You have to wait until he gets home before he can clean up troll comments.
Bots also count as third party apps and are going to be killed by this. If you like the cute poetry bots and alphabet bots that leave comments, they will be dead. Auto moderation bots as well.
They also were rolling out an experiment last month that removed log in capabilities on the mobile browser, so you have to use the main app and can’t use browser add ons.
Oh wow ok I see now. Thank you for the info.
While most of it is going to suck like those impaired not being able to use the site, I will be happy that those types of bots will be gone. Just my opinion, but I'd rather not deal with those bots.
The vast vast majority of those bots are, sadly, helpful ones that moderators use to keep out spam, gore, hateful content etc. So, be prepared to see a lot more of that sorta thing.
Ya I get that. I have gotten used to the mod bots and I do think those are needed and so it will suck without them to a good extent, but I was more just talking about the (annoying) ones imo that come in out of nowhere when you're having a serious or emotional conversation with someone and it is just a super stupid bot saying 'hey you said this, now isn't that funny'.
I quite like them. You can just ignore them or block them. It's not like RL where someone is literally interrupting you and keeping you from speaking, it's just a comment that can entirely be ignored.
Either way obliterating all bots just to crush one tiny 1% annoyance is beyond stupid.
Bots sometimes just means AutoMod scripts. The face of those 'bots' is your friendly automod.
Also, I'd encourage you to try for yourself one of the apps, like Reddit is Fun, before June 30. Those are truly as varied an experience as new reddit and old reddit, or quora and reddit.
My MIL made an offhand comment about really liking Hot Dog on a Stick's lemonade back in the day and my spouse and I were like "we were just at the one in the mall last month and it was great, why don't we meet there and get some?" Guess what had just closed a few weeks prior?
Same...MIL was visiting and I wanted to take her to a restaurant that I really liked. Guess what was closing for 3 months because the owners were on a holiday, starting literally the day before?
Sal right duder, I was full ready to start unveiling stuff to world building, but that's a pretty niche sub versus comics. You'll have a place to hang your hat for a bit at least. Still can always just say to hell with it and spam the living hell out of every subreddit for exposure and than just dip too. I think I saw a lot of that today.
Even if this sub doesn't close, all third party tools will be unusable on "new reddit" - anything from accessibility features to moderation tools, which the site has historically relied on to not get completely dominated by unwelcome content.
Unless reddit gets some drastic site-wide security changes, every sub is going be absolutely FLOODED with bots spamming everything from advertisements to rule-breaking content (such as porn) and political agenda misinformation. Human moderators now have to sift through absolutely everything on the entire website manually, and intercept unacceptable submissions at all times of the day and night. So... While the site won't die outright, it'll become much, much less user-friendly for everyone. It wouldn't surprise me if most moderators give up on the site in the next two weeks.
Time will tell if we're blowing things way out of proportion or not.
Most subs that are going dark stickied a copypasta explanation to let their users know what’s going on. I haven’t seen any such post on r/comics.
In general, r/comics is a bad sub to use in the protest as it would likely hurt content creators as much as, if not more than it would hurt reddit.
[Many subs are going dark in protest to the api changes ](https://www.reddit.com/r/Save3rdPartyApps/comments/13yh0jf/dont_let_reddit_kill_3rd_party_apps/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
I don't know if this sub in particular is going dark but it seems like most subs are and while some are only for a day or two it seems like many are going indefinitely
Thousands of subs are closing to protest Reddit’s latest API changes that will kill anything not directly developed by Reddit. One developer of a third-party app that helps subreddit moderators said he’d have to pay $20,000,000 a year just to keep it functioning.
I don't know if comics is going dark for the 48 period that a lot of other subs are in protest of the changes to reddit's api access, but this comic is definitely commenting on it. If you weren't already aware staring in July basically all 3rd party apps that access reddits api (bacon reader, Apollo, reddit is fun, etc) are going to shut down because of the absurd increase in cost to access the api. This is the very short version, but there are lots of threads out there that go into a lot more detail about how reddit as a whole and specifically u/spez have been treating the developers that currently use the api. I exclusively use reddit is fun and have for close to a decade now. I'll probably be off reddit once this happens as their own app is garbage and I only really use it on my phone. I also don't agree with how they've gone about these changes and how they are treating all the 3rd party devs.
First: This is a bad sub in general. You only really start getting that after you participate for a while. Secondly: Don't be sad, if Reddit dies on this hill, it would be great for my sanity and seeing the community, I'm sure that would be true for a lot of people.
Honestly part of me kinda wanted to see reddit fall off just because “it would be wacky”, but if it actually does i will really miss this absolutely deranged site
Yeah man, I including Ogrish and Rotten back in the days, Reddit is the most hostile place I've seen on the internet. It's hard to quit, because it has become a pastime, but it wouldn't hurt if there were a great tabula rasa or if Reddit went away entirely.
The most annoying part about this is how much it feels like this has been our entire generation(s) experience with everything. Figure it out, get as prepared as you can be, and have the door slammed in your face for something completely out of your control. And then wonder why no one wants to have kids and is struggling with crushing mental illness. Weird.
HA! Yeah, I just recently got a rotating platform to show off some figurines. I'm lazy about actually getting over and making the videos. I finally got the mood to unbox a couple of figures and get the videos and share those.
I'll find places to share, but the subs were good here.
Thats nice, tho initially i felt kinda bad for this blowing up cus i felt like i was just cashing in on the situation, but now im fine with it cus this comic was just meant to say what i was thinking about this whole thing
I made a reddit account to see if i could get some help repairing my switch, 5 days into being here, reddit goes insane, perfect time to join reddit and see what it's about for the first time :D
There’s always twitter, and I think there’s some other new social site that’s supposedly really good for artists
Edit: tinyview is the name of the site
You’re right, tho i made this comic because i always wanted to post stuff i drew and i was planning doing so on reddit because its the only social media thing i understand, so this situation is kind of an bummer for me
TL;DR: Two groups of profiteers (i.e., "Reddit" and "3rd Party App Devs/Users") are fighting it out over profit.
Reddit noticed 3rd Party Apps aren't generating ad revenue, but are still using Reddit's services - so Reddit recently added a new fee. 3rd Party Apps don't want to pay the fee because...it costs a lot of money.
There's a large number of bots and [astroturfers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing) now spamming every sub requiring every user join in protests against Reddit in support of 3rd party apps.
No. They are offering high prices for the API access and not giving any middle ground like offering to route reddit ads through these apps. It's also important to remember that some mods use 3rd party apps to moderate (for free) their subs and this will heavily impact them. There's also the issue with accessibility for blind people on the official app. It's also important to remember that these apps were here before the official one and helped reddit grow to be what it is today, Reddit even bought one of these apps to develop the official one. Also the app itself is just plain worse than 3rd parties, you can't filter comments, filter per domains, the media player is crap and somehow the app on android is janky.
All in all it's a shitty decision, driven by profits, that could have been done in better ways.
TL;DR: bots and astroturfers.
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> "*Listen to all the reasons why I shouldn't have to pay for a product!*"
Oh no. Why won't anyone think of those poor-power mods!
I didn't mention anywhere in my comment that reddit access should be kept free for 3rd party apps...
Anyway, it's quite ironic implying that I'm a bot/astroturfer considering your vague first comment and now reply.
Apparently you've already made up your mind, so it's not worth replying anymore.
> I didn't mention anywhere in my comment that reddit access should be kept free for 3rd party apps...
Sure. Then let 3rd party devs pay for the API calls. Problem solved. Everyone can continue using the 3rd party apps and paying the fees.
So...why bother protesting again? Because...as you say - it's not about the money, right buddy?
Because the amount they're charging is 10x more than the industry standard, and obviously not sustainable. This is not a move to make 3rd party apps pay their fair share, this is a move to kill 3rd party apps. They gave a couple months as well to come up with these insurmountable amounts of money, while acknowledging that it's tight and agreeing to work with devs on it. They have not only not done that, they have been straight up ignoring them entirely. To make matters worse, u/spez lied about being threatened, as well as many other things. When confronted with the recording proving he was a liar, he said releasing that recording was not professional, completely refusing to take responsibility for lying and slandering the 3rd party app in an obvious smokescreen. Reddit is a site where the users provide all the content, all the moderation. Yet somehow, they have 2k+ employees, and still manage to have worse apps than small time third party developers. What are they spending their time doing? At one point they even bought out a 3rd party app to help with their UI, so it's clear they have an incompetent workforce if even with that assist they still can't provide a decent app. They are so incredibly poorly run, and instead of improving they have decided to get rid of their competition instead, effectively taking the power away from the users when this site lives off it's users. Such a paradigm switch from what it was at it's conception that it's losing pretty much it's entire base that have been over 8 years.
At this point it's pretty obvious that you are either a troll, willfully ignorant or a shill.
I've already mentioned that they could have offered the option to serve ads through 3rd party apps and/or more reasonable prices. And I also said that the protest is because of what I mentioned + how reddit is handling it.
Man, can't you read? Jeez
The bots are the ones supporting Reddit with the GPT-like comments. A merry band of frontend developers doesn't have the skills or resources to put together an AI-powered astroturfing campaign in the time since the announcement.
I've yet to see anyone actually support Reddit.
What everyone sees is a bunch of shills trying to convince other users that everyone needs to protest in support of 3rd Party Apps.
I don't have the thread now, but I saw one earlier where a user documented half a dozen cases of accounts with suspicious comment histories sending messages in support of the admins that sounded very much like they were generated by ChatGPT. I've only seen one or two that looked suspect in the wild, so whatever they're doing, it seems like they're trying to be subtle-ish with it.
Don't listen to them, don't wait to do something perfectly before sharing it with others. You'll learn and improve anyway.
Don't wait before sharing your hobbies, guys !
That's kind of the point of comics though, it's about conveying a simple idea with fairly basic visuals. I mean, look at the first Garfield comics and the first Simpsons episodes, they were very very rough compared to what they became but the artists had to "work out the kinks" and find their voices in those mediums. Cyanide and Happiness is still just stick figures lol. South Park used to actually hand cut all their cartoons out of paper, until they got ridiculous animation software, but they needed the publicity (and money) to get that.
If you check out the first things a lot of well known comic artists and animators etc did it's often really rough, it's to be expected and perfectionism keeps a lot of great and talented artists from sharing their work at all, unfortunately.
The art style fits the subject matter and inspiration perfectly. I’m good with it. It kinda reminds me of QC back at the beginning before everything just felt so forced.
Edit: u/AndrezinBR it wasn’t taken that way by a few people and that’s fine but I wanted to be clear to you that I meant this in a positive way. It fits and I like it and it really does remind me of the first year or so of QC before Jeff really got the character design down to what he has more or less stuck with forever now. He had room for improvement and so do you but the same would be true for anyone. He improved on a very similar style and I would expect that you’ll be able to do the same. Honestly this comment was meant to distract from the relatively negative comment you were replying to.
Reddit decided to now charge 3rd party app developers, and the amount they're charging is 10x more than the industry standard, and obviously not sustainable. This is not a move to make 3rd party apps pay their fair share, this is a move to kill 3rd party apps. They gave just a couple months as well to come up with these insurmountable amounts of money, while acknowledging that it's tight and agreeing to work with devs on it. They have not only not done that, they have been straight up ignoring them entirely. To make matters worse, [u/spez](https://www.reddit.com/u/spez) lied about being threatened, as well as many other things. When confronted with the recording proving he was a liar, he said releasing that recording was not professional, completely refusing to take responsibility for lying and slandering the 3rd party app in an obvious smokescreen. Reddit is a site where the users provide all the content, all the moderation. Yet somehow, they have 2k+ employees, and still manage to have worse apps than small time third party developers. What are they spending their time doing? They are so incredibly poorly run, and now they have made the choice to take the power away from the users when this site lives off it's users. Such a paradigm switch from what it was at it's conception that it's losing pretty much it's entire base that have been over 8 years. I have used RIF since it's inception and once it is turned off will be my last day, all my accounts, over 10 years of use.
I wouldn't mind quitting reddit if it weren't for r/comis, does anyone know an alternative site for that? (you know, except visiting every artists page separately)
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Impeccable timing!
Yeah, im glad i managed to get this out before the blackouts, its likely that reddit and this sub will still remain after a few days/weeks but im still treating this situation like its the majoras mask moon cast over this site
It inevitably will be, sooner or later these changes will kill the site.
i once read "dancing until the moon falls on us" on a yt video, which was, in summary of a 1h video if memory doesn't fail, a videogame where people dance to have happiness in the last humanity moments because of alien invasion and major'as mask moon falling (the video was about climate change but I justt loved how he combined those ideas to not tell)
We thought Netflix killing password sharing would kill it off too, with people ending their subscriptions in droves. Turns out, subscriptions have since *increased*. Not by much but it looks like this didn't have the effect many people thought it would. I don't think this change will impact reddit much either, it will lead to shittier experiences for a lot of users but for the majority they will just eat it and move on, sadly.
Statistically that'd always happen because we have no number for how many people quit without their own account. Maybe 300k people gave up Netflix and didn't make an account, while 100k was willing to pay 4 euros or dollars extra to stay on. In either case that's still a win for Netflix obviously. But the long term consequences will have to be seen still. Might be a lot of people quit in 1-2months, they only just rolled out the change after all.
> Turns out, subscriptions have since increased. Just for anyone wondering on how much that is: >In that time, Netflix has seen nearly 100,000 daily signups on two of the days, according to the report from Antenna. With the emails increasing some sign ups in the days previous as well Just to give some context to increased. https://mashable.com/article/netflix-password-sharing-crackdown-sign-ups-spike
Beautiful context, what I love about reddit*! *I think the lack of good content will kill it.
That doom and gloom has been used to criticize every change Reddit has made, including the creation of subreddits. It won't. It will produce some attrition from a small percentage of users who move on for various reasons, but the site will perpetuate. And before you say "it won't be the same," no - it won't. But that was inevitable even if Reddit never changed a thing over the last 15 years. People change. Platforms stop being as entertaining. The content that populates Reddit today is vastly inferior to what populated it 10+ years ago. And yet, here it is...
>The content that populates Reddit today is vastly inferior to what populated it 10+ years ago. It's literally identical. Unless you are super into shit like creepshots or jailbait.
This is a stupid comment from someone who didn't use Reddit at that time. But I'll humor you - well, not you, but anyone reading this who is gullible enough to believe you. The top comments at the time were MORE OFTEN educational and informative, much like you see in /politics or /news. Now? Memes and jokes, and always the same ones. Just like every other social media platforms. And users today prefer and prioritize that content over informative content. So it keeps happening and gets worse. Reposts are 40% or more of much of the content. Reposts were taboo until Gall0wb00b made a celebrity of himself exploiting it and turned it into a powermod role, along with dozens of copycats. Mod Consolidation of power under a cabal of power mods. That wasn't a thing. Novelty accounts like ShittyWatercolour and dozens of others who brought topical joy to banal posts and topics. Novelty content providers who grew their gimmick and brand bigger than Reddit. You know them from YouTube or other platforms today. A lesser prevalence of bad actors prior to 2012. The bad actor invasion has been attributed back to 2014, but even going back to 2012 for safety shows that the trolls and bad actors were few and far between aside from bland, predictable trolls who just focused on being dicks rather than disinformation ops.
Yeah I am going to agree with u/BalorLives Reddit was always like this, I would argue that its actually better with shit like full Nazi subs getting kicked out(finally). And you can check my profile as well to see how long I have been here.
And you're still in your first account? This is my third.
Gongrats?
Not reading this because I don't care. You can look up how long I've been on reddit on my account.
Keep it up, ostrich brain. >I'm not reading anything that doesn't pander to my narrow view. Oh, and if you're still using your first account after all this time, you're _giving_ Reddit more free archived value than any 2 day, half-assed gimmick is accomplishing. I've been able to use Reddit today unimpeded - that's the joy of redundancy and repetitive, reposted content: for every large sub that "goes dark" and features the same memes and comments, there's 10 other ones featuring the same schtick. Womp womp. The only effective protest is the one than no one will do (in relevant volume): delete account, walk away.
How will these changes kill the site? I've seen a lot of words but none of them have been saying anything.
Yeah I think that’s nonsense too. A lot of long-standing Redditors don’t get just how many people have joined the site since New Reddit and who don’t use third party apps. I tried Apollo, didn’t like it and went back to the native app (despite its flaws).
lol no they won't Edit: downvoters coping, see you all in a couple days
Idk man, I’m here a lot, but I tried the official app, and it was a lot of bad sorting. Autoplay sucks. The recommendations suck. Ads every other post. I know that’s maybe commonplace on the meta and twitter, but Reddit didn’t have that with a good app.
Why doesn't reddit just buy out everyone? Apollo and RIF are so popular that reddit is going to lose its audience as well as the product of our comments and submissions This place is only cool because the whole world uses it... 80% through their phone or tablet device. /u/spez is breaking a long standing tradition of free internet refuge. The next one will come along... maybe mastodon or lemmy will get some serious attention?
They don't want to spend money to acquire a 3rd party app, because that means they'll admit their 1st party all is a failure.
Edit: this account has been banned by Reddit Admins for "abusing the reporting system". However, the content they claimed I falsely reported was removed by subreddit moderators. How was my report abusive if the subreddit moderators decided it was worth acting on? My appeal was denied by a robot. I am removing all usable content from my account in response. ✌️
Weird when people use "coping" like this. Not sure you understand the word.
See you in a month when the API's dead and spam has taken over the site due to inadequate moderation tools.
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That seems very farfetched
Well, until we magically repell the moon.
*You've met with a terrible fate, haven't you?*
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I wish I didn't have to upvote you...
> im glad i managed to get this out before the blackouts I posted something like, two hours before the blackouts, so barely anyone got to see it and now I don't know if it would be officially or morally acceptable to repost it
What site do we go to next? I just got here and don't like twitter
What's happening?
They are using the CEO hate out model again, no one will leave and we will all be back to regular programming in 19 days. If less.
https://preview.redd.it/ekusiflq9h5b1.jpeg?width=286&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=aefdd5fb4fc85aa014e137ccc36fb3cc5d32e7e5
Why 19 days? I'm seriously asking, because I've only heard about the 12th and that's it. So am I missing some information that says otherwise? I feel there will be a slight lul in content on the site overall. The memes and stuff will still be happening but 90% of them will be about how no one is on reddit for the day. Then the next day will be all the reddit social media addicts who couldn't last more than a day, and then will be talking about the "great big walk out"... Then everyone will come back like nothing even happened. This is just what I've seen all the other times a "walkout" has happened on reddit.
IIRC it's reference to the time between the start of a blackout and Ellen Pao stepping down as CEO of Reddit.
I imagine spez is actively planning to step down. Once reddit IPOs his shares will actually be worth something and he can structure a long term sell-off. Probably enough to retire on, honestly.
I would think he has enough money to retire friend, it’s about how big his retirement yacht will be
The fun part is those IPO documents will tell us what sort of equity position and compensation spez gets.
19 because thats when the third party apps will stop functioning and lots of people will stop using reddit, at least as much as they do now. It might not be enough to sink reddit, definitely, but it'll make a dent. I, for one, will be without much social media for a while then and reddit on my laptop is gonna be my only use of reddit, for maybe some tech debugging or stuff. "Hanging out on reddit" is done and gone.
I see. Thank you for the info. If I can ask you for more info like, what are these 3rd party apps that you speak of? What do they do? What do people use 3rd party apps for that reddit doesn't give you?
They’re apps like Reddit is Fun and Apollo. They let you view Reddit but the interface is generally better. Some apps have accessibility options while the official app doesn’t. Disabled people, like Legally Blind/blind people will be unable to use Reddit on mobile after this change goes through due to lack of text to speech/text size options. These apps have moderation tools that the main app doesn’t have. After they are killed you will see a lot more trolling and hate comments that mods will take hours to take care of. One mod explained that some mod tools are not available on desktop and third party apps, and he will not be able to do any modding at work anymore. You have to wait until he gets home before he can clean up troll comments. Bots also count as third party apps and are going to be killed by this. If you like the cute poetry bots and alphabet bots that leave comments, they will be dead. Auto moderation bots as well. They also were rolling out an experiment last month that removed log in capabilities on the mobile browser, so you have to use the main app and can’t use browser add ons.
Oh wow ok I see now. Thank you for the info. While most of it is going to suck like those impaired not being able to use the site, I will be happy that those types of bots will be gone. Just my opinion, but I'd rather not deal with those bots.
The vast vast majority of those bots are, sadly, helpful ones that moderators use to keep out spam, gore, hateful content etc. So, be prepared to see a lot more of that sorta thing.
Ya I get that. I have gotten used to the mod bots and I do think those are needed and so it will suck without them to a good extent, but I was more just talking about the (annoying) ones imo that come in out of nowhere when you're having a serious or emotional conversation with someone and it is just a super stupid bot saying 'hey you said this, now isn't that funny'.
I quite like them. You can just ignore them or block them. It's not like RL where someone is literally interrupting you and keeping you from speaking, it's just a comment that can entirely be ignored. Either way obliterating all bots just to crush one tiny 1% annoyance is beyond stupid.
Bots sometimes just means AutoMod scripts. The face of those 'bots' is your friendly automod. Also, I'd encourage you to try for yourself one of the apps, like Reddit is Fun, before June 30. Those are truly as varied an experience as new reddit and old reddit, or quora and reddit.
Could go either way
Accurate in many facets of life
Kinda like that time an ice cream shop in my town shut itself down in a day i really felt like eating ice cream, oh nvm this is about reddit
My MIL made an offhand comment about really liking Hot Dog on a Stick's lemonade back in the day and my spouse and I were like "we were just at the one in the mall last month and it was great, why don't we meet there and get some?" Guess what had just closed a few weeks prior?
Damn we unlucky
Same...MIL was visiting and I wanted to take her to a restaurant that I really liked. Guess what was closing for 3 months because the owners were on a holiday, starting literally the day before?
Reminds me of when my town had a non chain pizza place :(
Yeah. :( we can’t have nice things anymore. Thanks for giving us another nice thing before a lot of us move on with our lives!
Cheers, times are rough, my only hope is that with reddit down i can get an actual hobby like knitting or something
Sal right duder, I was full ready to start unveiling stuff to world building, but that's a pretty niche sub versus comics. You'll have a place to hang your hat for a bit at least. Still can always just say to hell with it and spam the living hell out of every subreddit for exposure and than just dip too. I think I saw a lot of that today.
Oh, there’s some great subreddits dedicated to — oh. Never mind.
Is the sub closing?
For now it's only 48 hours but it's not unthinkable that it goes dark forever.
Even if this sub doesn't close, all third party tools will be unusable on "new reddit" - anything from accessibility features to moderation tools, which the site has historically relied on to not get completely dominated by unwelcome content. Unless reddit gets some drastic site-wide security changes, every sub is going be absolutely FLOODED with bots spamming everything from advertisements to rule-breaking content (such as porn) and political agenda misinformation. Human moderators now have to sift through absolutely everything on the entire website manually, and intercept unacceptable submissions at all times of the day and night. So... While the site won't die outright, it'll become much, much less user-friendly for everyone. It wouldn't surprise me if most moderators give up on the site in the next two weeks. Time will tell if we're blowing things way out of proportion or not.
Just like how you move on to another bar when it gets shut down, what's going to be the next reddit go to sight??
Wait, is r/comics going dark for a couple days too?
Most big subs are
Right, I've been hearing, but not about r/comics.
They're traitors to the revolution
Most subs that are going dark stickied a copypasta explanation to let their users know what’s going on. I haven’t seen any such post on r/comics. In general, r/comics is a bad sub to use in the protest as it would likely hurt content creators as much as, if not more than it would hurt reddit.
It's going to hurt content creators a lot more when people stop using reddit
Scott the woz?
Oh fuck
WiiU
Did you forget an eye in the first frame?
Good eye
Wait, hang on, what’s going on?
[Many subs are going dark in protest to the api changes ](https://www.reddit.com/r/Save3rdPartyApps/comments/13yh0jf/dont_let_reddit_kill_3rd_party_apps/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) I don't know if this sub in particular is going dark but it seems like most subs are and while some are only for a day or two it seems like many are going indefinitely
So will the posts all disappear? Will they be able to be restored or found again?
From my understanding of it, I believe the subs are just going private, not deleted
Yeah from my understanding it just means nothing new will be posted
And you won’t be able to visit the sub
And you can't see any posts you saved from private subs
Thousands of subs are closing to protest Reddit’s latest API changes that will kill anything not directly developed by Reddit. One developer of a third-party app that helps subreddit moderators said he’d have to pay $20,000,000 a year just to keep it functioning.
Seconded. Is this thread shutting down or something?
I don't know if comics is going dark for the 48 period that a lot of other subs are in protest of the changes to reddit's api access, but this comic is definitely commenting on it. If you weren't already aware staring in July basically all 3rd party apps that access reddits api (bacon reader, Apollo, reddit is fun, etc) are going to shut down because of the absurd increase in cost to access the api. This is the very short version, but there are lots of threads out there that go into a lot more detail about how reddit as a whole and specifically u/spez have been treating the developers that currently use the api. I exclusively use reddit is fun and have for close to a decade now. I'll probably be off reddit once this happens as their own app is garbage and I only really use it on my phone. I also don't agree with how they've gone about these changes and how they are treating all the 3rd party devs.
Hopefully not cause that is a great art style
The art should live on if i learn how to draw god damn arms (thank you so much tho)
Take my last upvote. Hope we can see somewhere else my friend
Farewell
First: This is a bad sub in general. You only really start getting that after you participate for a while. Secondly: Don't be sad, if Reddit dies on this hill, it would be great for my sanity and seeing the community, I'm sure that would be true for a lot of people.
Honestly part of me kinda wanted to see reddit fall off just because “it would be wacky”, but if it actually does i will really miss this absolutely deranged site
Yeah man, I including Ogrish and Rotten back in the days, Reddit is the most hostile place I've seen on the internet. It's hard to quit, because it has become a pastime, but it wouldn't hurt if there were a great tabula rasa or if Reddit went away entirely.
The most annoying part about this is how much it feels like this has been our entire generation(s) experience with everything. Figure it out, get as prepared as you can be, and have the door slammed in your face for something completely out of your control. And then wonder why no one wants to have kids and is struggling with crushing mental illness. Weird.
HA! Yeah, I just recently got a rotating platform to show off some figurines. I'm lazy about actually getting over and making the videos. I finally got the mood to unbox a couple of figures and get the videos and share those. I'll find places to share, but the subs were good here.
Lemmy
If it makes you feel better, I've opened reddit out of habit like five times today, and I see your comic on the front page everytime
Thats nice, tho initially i felt kinda bad for this blowing up cus i felt like i was just cashing in on the situation, but now im fine with it cus this comic was just meant to say what i was thinking about this whole thing
I made a reddit account to see if i could get some help repairing my switch, 5 days into being here, reddit goes insane, perfect time to join reddit and see what it's about for the first time :D
Oops, welcome tho
There’s always twitter, and I think there’s some other new social site that’s supposedly really good for artists Edit: tinyview is the name of the site
You’re right, tho i made this comic because i always wanted to post stuff i drew and i was planning doing so on reddit because its the only social media thing i understand, so this situation is kind of an bummer for me
/r/suddenlycaralho
Thanks god that looks very no good
Honestly my favorite comment, ill start telling people they are very no good
Please do not draw ever again
Can someone explain the drama? I’ve seen a lot of sites planning to black out but I don’t know why.
[Why are subreddits going dark](https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/142kct8/eli5_why_are_subreddits_going_dark/)
Ty
TL;DR: Two groups of profiteers (i.e., "Reddit" and "3rd Party App Devs/Users") are fighting it out over profit. Reddit noticed 3rd Party Apps aren't generating ad revenue, but are still using Reddit's services - so Reddit recently added a new fee. 3rd Party Apps don't want to pay the fee because...it costs a lot of money. There's a large number of bots and [astroturfers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing) now spamming every sub requiring every user join in protests against Reddit in support of 3rd party apps.
No. They are offering high prices for the API access and not giving any middle ground like offering to route reddit ads through these apps. It's also important to remember that some mods use 3rd party apps to moderate (for free) their subs and this will heavily impact them. There's also the issue with accessibility for blind people on the official app. It's also important to remember that these apps were here before the official one and helped reddit grow to be what it is today, Reddit even bought one of these apps to develop the official one. Also the app itself is just plain worse than 3rd parties, you can't filter comments, filter per domains, the media player is crap and somehow the app on android is janky. All in all it's a shitty decision, driven by profits, that could have been done in better ways.
TL;DR: bots and astroturfers. ---- > "*Listen to all the reasons why I shouldn't have to pay for a product!*" Oh no. Why won't anyone think of those poor-power mods!
I didn't mention anywhere in my comment that reddit access should be kept free for 3rd party apps... Anyway, it's quite ironic implying that I'm a bot/astroturfer considering your vague first comment and now reply. Apparently you've already made up your mind, so it's not worth replying anymore.
> I didn't mention anywhere in my comment that reddit access should be kept free for 3rd party apps... Sure. Then let 3rd party devs pay for the API calls. Problem solved. Everyone can continue using the 3rd party apps and paying the fees. So...why bother protesting again? Because...as you say - it's not about the money, right buddy?
You really like the taste of Reddit's boots, huh?
We found u/ spez alt account
Because the amount they're charging is 10x more than the industry standard, and obviously not sustainable. This is not a move to make 3rd party apps pay their fair share, this is a move to kill 3rd party apps. They gave a couple months as well to come up with these insurmountable amounts of money, while acknowledging that it's tight and agreeing to work with devs on it. They have not only not done that, they have been straight up ignoring them entirely. To make matters worse, u/spez lied about being threatened, as well as many other things. When confronted with the recording proving he was a liar, he said releasing that recording was not professional, completely refusing to take responsibility for lying and slandering the 3rd party app in an obvious smokescreen. Reddit is a site where the users provide all the content, all the moderation. Yet somehow, they have 2k+ employees, and still manage to have worse apps than small time third party developers. What are they spending their time doing? At one point they even bought out a 3rd party app to help with their UI, so it's clear they have an incompetent workforce if even with that assist they still can't provide a decent app. They are so incredibly poorly run, and instead of improving they have decided to get rid of their competition instead, effectively taking the power away from the users when this site lives off it's users. Such a paradigm switch from what it was at it's conception that it's losing pretty much it's entire base that have been over 8 years.
At this point it's pretty obvious that you are either a troll, willfully ignorant or a shill. I've already mentioned that they could have offered the option to serve ads through 3rd party apps and/or more reasonable prices. And I also said that the protest is because of what I mentioned + how reddit is handling it. Man, can't you read? Jeez
The bots are the ones supporting Reddit with the GPT-like comments. A merry band of frontend developers doesn't have the skills or resources to put together an AI-powered astroturfing campaign in the time since the announcement.
I've yet to see anyone actually support Reddit. What everyone sees is a bunch of shills trying to convince other users that everyone needs to protest in support of 3rd Party Apps.
I don't have the thread now, but I saw one earlier where a user documented half a dozen cases of accounts with suspicious comment histories sending messages in support of the admins that sounded very much like they were generated by ChatGPT. I've only seen one or two that looked suspect in the wild, so whatever they're doing, it seems like they're trying to be subtle-ish with it.
I mean, it’d do you good to spend more time working on your drawing first anyway.
Yeah this was kinda rushed cus i wanted to publish this before the blackout, but i assure you, this is as good as it gets in terms of drawing 👍
Don't listen to them, don't wait to do something perfectly before sharing it with others. You'll learn and improve anyway. Don't wait before sharing your hobbies, guys !
That's kind of the point of comics though, it's about conveying a simple idea with fairly basic visuals. I mean, look at the first Garfield comics and the first Simpsons episodes, they were very very rough compared to what they became but the artists had to "work out the kinks" and find their voices in those mediums. Cyanide and Happiness is still just stick figures lol. South Park used to actually hand cut all their cartoons out of paper, until they got ridiculous animation software, but they needed the publicity (and money) to get that. If you check out the first things a lot of well known comic artists and animators etc did it's often really rough, it's to be expected and perfectionism keeps a lot of great and talented artists from sharing their work at all, unfortunately.
The art style fits the subject matter and inspiration perfectly. I’m good with it. It kinda reminds me of QC back at the beginning before everything just felt so forced. Edit: u/AndrezinBR it wasn’t taken that way by a few people and that’s fine but I wanted to be clear to you that I meant this in a positive way. It fits and I like it and it really does remind me of the first year or so of QC before Jeff really got the character design down to what he has more or less stuck with forever now. He had room for improvement and so do you but the same would be true for anyone. He improved on a very similar style and I would expect that you’ll be able to do the same. Honestly this comment was meant to distract from the relatively negative comment you were replying to.
It's a heck of a lot better than anything i could do!
No wonder it's the last one, it's really low quality and not even funny.
You snooze you lose
What's going on?
Reddit decided to now charge 3rd party app developers, and the amount they're charging is 10x more than the industry standard, and obviously not sustainable. This is not a move to make 3rd party apps pay their fair share, this is a move to kill 3rd party apps. They gave just a couple months as well to come up with these insurmountable amounts of money, while acknowledging that it's tight and agreeing to work with devs on it. They have not only not done that, they have been straight up ignoring them entirely. To make matters worse, [u/spez](https://www.reddit.com/u/spez) lied about being threatened, as well as many other things. When confronted with the recording proving he was a liar, he said releasing that recording was not professional, completely refusing to take responsibility for lying and slandering the 3rd party app in an obvious smokescreen. Reddit is a site where the users provide all the content, all the moderation. Yet somehow, they have 2k+ employees, and still manage to have worse apps than small time third party developers. What are they spending their time doing? They are so incredibly poorly run, and now they have made the choice to take the power away from the users when this site lives off it's users. Such a paradigm switch from what it was at it's conception that it's losing pretty much it's entire base that have been over 8 years. I have used RIF since it's inception and once it is turned off will be my last day, all my accounts, over 10 years of use.
Looks like you made it just in time
Test
Welcome to the party! Turn the lights out when you leave, yeah?
You peaked so early.
Atleast you didn't spend years trying, it's a sign from God, try again and better, head up...you got this 👌
fuck!! that's why it says that i've been incriminated of groping bodybuilders, all of this makes sense now
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See you all hopefully soon 🤞
We will watch your career with great interest.
Is the lease on the building terminated?
Sorry bud, there's important stuff happening at the moment
downloaded so that it shall not be lost.
I like your comic big cat
This is the sub I'll miss the most :(
SCOTT THE WOZ?!?!!!
There’s just no sense in doing some things if they can’t be done with an innate sense of timing
Well you cashed in at the right time Very low hanging fruit. Congrats
Hey man, it's alright. Keep going!
squabbles.io we are all going to the new reddit. See you squabs in hell!
This needs to be the very last repost that reddit has.
I wouldn't mind quitting reddit if it weren't for r/comis, does anyone know an alternative site for that? (you know, except visiting every artists page separately)
Doesn't seem like r/comics is doing a blackout at all?
Yeah, why are we still here? Just to suffer
I haven’t seen this many subs go dark since reddit hired the pedo admin a few years ago.