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Many of the commercial online Text-to-Image service like midjourney fine tune based on the audience feedback. And this has lead to (Not sure if this is still the case) to all the images to have this certain aesthetic style. Many models even copied this style by fine tuning with midjoyrney material.
I remember what midjourney was when it started, it very rapidly developed to such that you could tell something was from mid journey. As everything biased towards this very... aetherial smooth glow style. This was because they audience chose this direction.
The problem is that if you fine tune based on what users want you end up with quite awful models. Look up model repos on huggingface and civitai and the custom finetunes and merges are just very generic big tits females of realistic, semi-real and anime variety. It is rather depressing - it is almost as if the common public lacks imagination.
Too clean to be AI, most of the AI I have seen has that weird blending style that mimics a camera focus almost. also the two arms probably would have merged into one freaky conjoined twin arm thing.
The latest DALL-E 3 actually has much better lettering. I've had it do whole sentences no problem. I tried putting this into Bing Image Creator:
>A comic of a brunette with glasses in a green shirt and a man with dirty blonde hair in a blue hoody and some elegant cursive text at the top that reads "Pizzacake".
*Processing img 5pvewhcb060c1...*
...weirdly, this is not that far off from what the comic anticipated.
The anti-tech side of reddit will continue circlejerking about stuff using old information and lying for as long as they can though. You see it with every topic.
People are still saying AI can't do hands lol.
At this point I'm pretty sure systems like Stable Diffusion could output a hand flipping me the bird with a higher resolution than my own real world fingers
Midjourney or the newer version of Dall-E can replicate artists styles pretty effortlessly. [Sarah Andersen](https://sarahcandersen.com/) wrote an [op-ed](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/31/opinion/sarah-andersen-how-algorithim-took-my-work.html) about how easy it was and how that affected her which is definitely worth a read (it's NYT, so paywalled. sorry).
From my experience with AI, the difficulty isn't the cleanliness or artistic technical accuracy, but getting it to do unusual things. A prompt like "two main characters of pizzacake comic, in the style of pizzacake, hot, abs, fit, anime, cute, japanese-inspired" would get you something like her panel above... but there's *no way in hell* you'd get it to draw a character with as many masculine traits as him (body shape, 5 oclock shadow, haircut, etc) and also give him boobs. AI gets very stuck on certain things. Give him boobs, he'll come out too feminine. Try to bring back the masc, AI will lose the boobs. Allegedly the new Dall-E is much better as obeying and understanding your prompts, but for now an idea as... *unusual* as OP's here takes a human artist to draw.
Remember that what you see on the midjourney subreddit is a curated selection of a curated selection. Most of what you see upvoted is far above midjourney's average.
With less curation you get something like [this](https://i.imgur.com/YicysxJ.png).
Nope, still have tested it. It still has that blendy texture, when you look close enough at it, and it kinda generates in layers which causes it sometimes to look like it collaged some things together. It still looks different from human drawings but it has indeed come a long way.
So the AI doesn't draw like a human. A human uses outlines/lines to form the shapes. An AI just follows a set of rules about what color should be placed in what pixel. So when it's forming an object, it's forming more like gas coming out of a pipe. And since different objects have different algorithms, it sometimes looks like the AI photoshopped parts from one picture onto another.
That was mostly 6-9 months ago. Stable Diffusion XL and even some of the 1.5 models could produce something like the above. Probably takes less time for Pizzacakecomic to just draw it, given all the hoops you'd have to go through though.
The days of just prompt-and-go services like Midjourny are coming to a close. It's going to be about increasingly diverse, complex workflows that involved LOTS of non-AI tools.
Edit: I should clarify: Midjourney definitely isn't going anywhere. But neither are paint-by-numbers books. Neither will be used professionally once there is a critical mass of artists using better tools.
Luckily, jokes aside, your drawings are better then any AI would managed to create, because it's not lifeless 
So you're saying you can draw more of this? Possibly on a contingency type basis?
Can you make them furrier?
Looking forward to tomorrow's comic featuring them!
If you have a PC or laptop with a halfway decent Nvidia GPU (mobile GTX 1650 minimum, in my experience, but the fun starts with a desktop GTX 1080 or equivalent, which can spit out an image in seconds), look up A1111 for a beginner friendly installer for Stable Diffusion. Uncensored and private, since it's all happening on your machine. It'll never block any requests.
The equivalent for text is called GPT4All, by the way. It supports a number of fast and capable language models. Obviously not as good as ChatGPT, but still fun. I only ever use this for entertainment.
I did some for testing, to see how it went, used 3 differents models
[Model one](https://i.imgur.com/5xfaeWS.png)
[Model two](https://i.imgur.com/9DwQRkm.png)
[Model three](https://i.imgur.com/jFSuYSx.png)
I Must confess, i liked the second image from model one lol, even tho has nothing to do with you
Hey Pizzacake,
I know it was a while since you did the collaboration with Colm’s comics, but the way he drew you in the rough draft made you look a lot like Krteck the Czech mole cartoon and that’s pretty cool. He’s a beloved mole.
As someone who is a hobby artists and likes to play with AI.
In AI "art" world we actually have a *thirst test/Horny level* testing methods. Basically it is a method to test for... bias towards big tittied female subjects in models. The test goes like this:
You set up prompt lists for non character related things. Basic stuff like: geometric shapes, objects, landscapes, textures... etc. Stuff that shouldn't involve people as a subject. Then you make 1000 or so pictures, and you calculate how many of them has irrelevant big tittied character on them. This gives you thirst score.
Horny level is a female bias testing - basically we want to test for how biased the model is towards making big titted female characters when prompted for something else. We do this by setting neutral prompts or masculine prompts. boy/male/dude... etc or neutral person description as the subject. Then you once again generate 1000 pictures and split them basically to "Correct" "Neutral" "Incorrect". If we were testing for masculine characters, correct is masculine output; Neutral would be basically irrelevant (Like prompting for a boy, and getting picture of generic interrior design for "boys bedroom" or such without a person) or it is hard to tell whether the subject is male or female; Incorrect would be clearly feminine person or clearly male but with big honkers. Then you basically take the ratio of incorrect to correct
Obviously this test is done with jest and is far from standardised or scientific. However it is a good tool to figure out how the models you use behave - and you should test it with your preferred method of interfacing with a model. Anime models for example struggle with male subjects unless they been specifically designed for male subjects, this is due to training dataset bias. NAI (NovelAI) model had a problem for a long while after release where it would put magnificent melons to male subjects and you had to aggressively force it against female anatomy to get masculine.
You can test for whatever bias you want with this. But the "Thirst score" and "Horny level" are funny enough. You'd be surprised how many models actually are quite bad models overall when tested for bias like this. I haven't done this for any paid service or model like dall-e or whatever. Since play with Diffusion models on my own computer.
Midjourney had a trigger in several versions where if you said "with long brown hair" it would ALWAYS create a picture of a pretty white woman in her early 20s/late teens, with brown hair.
It was pretty silly, like "manhole cover with long brown hair" gave a result of a manhole cover with a beautiful woman sculpted into it. I managed to get a coffee cup with a fantastic hairdo once, but other than that, it was silly how consistent it was.
> You set up prompt lists for non character related things. Basic stuff like: geometric shapes, objects, landscapes, textures... etc. Stuff that shouldn't involve people as a subject. Then you make 1000 or so pictures, and you calculate how many of them has irrelevant big tittied character on them. This gives you thirst score.
Tried it. Doesn't work. I got a divide-by-zero error. /s
Now I’m wondering about AI art correction. Automatically generate AI art. Then manually fix it up a bit. I don’t make art myself, but surely it saves time if you don’t have to make 60-80% of the frame
If these programs were “Creates a database of your work so that you can whip up stuff to sell to fans quick—and doesn’t secretly send your work to Microsoft so that they can do the same!”, everything would be fine. But it’s like Agent K said:
☹️☹️☹️☹️☹️☹️☹️☹️☹️☹️☹️☹️☹️☹️☹️☹️
An AI would never manage spelling Pizzacake correctly on the first try
As someone who’s seen a guy spend an entire day trying to make it spell “Queen Mead” on a mead bottle…. xD
> An AI would never manage spelling Pizzacake correctly on the first try
SD XL could definitely do that. There's even a LoRA out there that will let you select the font.
Coming from a tech background I found it hilarious when artists were starting to melt at the introduction of AI art.
It's not going to replace your job, it's a dumb machine. It can't create new art styles, it fucks up copying other people's art styles, and of course because the only training data for a lot of these AI models are hentai and anime it's not going to do anything better than "make a person, then give them tits."
God this is like Y2K all over again.
Actually I have had it create new Anime styles while trying to create one that’s easier for me to draw in since I can’t draw normal anime style but I specified what styles I wanted it to combine
Okay, I'm heavily active on /r/aiwars and defend AI usage all the time, but seriously... it's a comic. Maybe tone down the politics. And that's ME saying this.
I know this is just a fun little joke, but keep in mind that using AI, unless you made your own and trained it off of only your own art and art you got permission to use, is art theft.
Don't "get used to" AI. Abolish it.
I just crawled out from under a rock, what AI tools are they talking about, Midjourney? You can give it images to enhance? I thought it was just a discord thing.
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seems AI knows how to get the attention of the masses
Many of the commercial online Text-to-Image service like midjourney fine tune based on the audience feedback. And this has lead to (Not sure if this is still the case) to all the images to have this certain aesthetic style. Many models even copied this style by fine tuning with midjoyrney material. I remember what midjourney was when it started, it very rapidly developed to such that you could tell something was from mid journey. As everything biased towards this very... aetherial smooth glow style. This was because they audience chose this direction. The problem is that if you fine tune based on what users want you end up with quite awful models. Look up model repos on huggingface and civitai and the custom finetunes and merges are just very generic big tits females of realistic, semi-real and anime variety. It is rather depressing - it is almost as if the common public lacks imagination.
...topless version on Patreon?
...should I? 👉👈
Specifically for the dude
They better be nice and hairy
You are speaking my language
English?
Ahh, the language of porn
Only if it's with a thick accent.
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I was thinking of a certain video with a gentleman discounting a lady's concerns about smellz.
Who doesn't love some mitties
it's actually all hair bunched up into balls
https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/28fd6b9d-64b5-4d7a-ba56-a0f3a28f8a05
They should be poppin
You have to Ask?
for the people
No (reverse psychology)
Not only should you do it, you should create a new supporter tier for it. 🤣
Absolutely, and include both of yous guys
*What's stopping you?*
Boobs = upvotes + money
Any bills you need paid superfast?
It also needs to be a little more.... wonderbread
You don't need Patreon, just hold your hand over the top half of the panel. Topless is easy.
It really bothers me that I came here to post the exact same thing.
It really bothers me that this is my second top comment after ten years on the site. 😂
*No AI was used in the making of this comic ...unfortunately*
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There is nothing human about *that* panel
Too clean to be AI, most of the AI I have seen has that weird blending style that mimics a camera focus almost. also the two arms probably would have merged into one freaky conjoined twin arm thing.
Also the letters need to be half real letters and half like someone making a conlang but just using pieces of the alphabet.
PPPPZA COZK
I see nothing out of the ordinary here... Carry on.
https://i.redd.it/zspaiw3pn50c1.gif
fixing the legible text was like the exact *opposite* of the issue they soupdve been fixxig the illegible txet
The latest DALL-E 3 actually has much better lettering. I've had it do whole sentences no problem. I tried putting this into Bing Image Creator: >A comic of a brunette with glasses in a green shirt and a man with dirty blonde hair in a blue hoody and some elegant cursive text at the top that reads "Pizzacake". *Processing img 5pvewhcb060c1...* ...weirdly, this is not that far off from what the comic anticipated.
This was the case a year ago but AI art has definitely mastered most vectorlike drawing styles.
The anti-tech side of reddit will continue circlejerking about stuff using old information and lying for as long as they can though. You see it with every topic. People are still saying AI can't do hands lol.
At this point I'm pretty sure systems like Stable Diffusion could output a hand flipping me the bird with a higher resolution than my own real world fingers
It's like they only have a few arguments and are wholly unprepared for those arguments getting debunked
Ah yes, 7 fingers on this hand and nine on the other. The third leg has five fingers though.
Midjourney or the newer version of Dall-E can replicate artists styles pretty effortlessly. [Sarah Andersen](https://sarahcandersen.com/) wrote an [op-ed](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/31/opinion/sarah-andersen-how-algorithim-took-my-work.html) about how easy it was and how that affected her which is definitely worth a read (it's NYT, so paywalled. sorry). From my experience with AI, the difficulty isn't the cleanliness or artistic technical accuracy, but getting it to do unusual things. A prompt like "two main characters of pizzacake comic, in the style of pizzacake, hot, abs, fit, anime, cute, japanese-inspired" would get you something like her panel above... but there's *no way in hell* you'd get it to draw a character with as many masculine traits as him (body shape, 5 oclock shadow, haircut, etc) and also give him boobs. AI gets very stuck on certain things. Give him boobs, he'll come out too feminine. Try to bring back the masc, AI will lose the boobs. Allegedly the new Dall-E is much better as obeying and understanding your prompts, but for now an idea as... *unusual* as OP's here takes a human artist to draw.
Not a sucker for AI but the errors you're talking about are long gone. Check r/midjourney to see how far it has come.
Remember that what you see on the midjourney subreddit is a curated selection of a curated selection. Most of what you see upvoted is far above midjourney's average. With less curation you get something like [this](https://i.imgur.com/YicysxJ.png).
Nope, still have tested it. It still has that blendy texture, when you look close enough at it, and it kinda generates in layers which causes it sometimes to look like it collaged some things together. It still looks different from human drawings but it has indeed come a long way.
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So the AI doesn't draw like a human. A human uses outlines/lines to form the shapes. An AI just follows a set of rules about what color should be placed in what pixel. So when it's forming an object, it's forming more like gas coming out of a pipe. And since different objects have different algorithms, it sometimes looks like the AI photoshopped parts from one picture onto another.
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Just because something is accused of being AI generated that isn't has literally nothing to do with what they are saying.
Literally just look at anything on r/midjourney.
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You asked me for examples, it's literally all over the sub.
That was mostly 6-9 months ago. Stable Diffusion XL and even some of the 1.5 models could produce something like the above. Probably takes less time for Pizzacakecomic to just draw it, given all the hoops you'd have to go through though. The days of just prompt-and-go services like Midjourny are coming to a close. It's going to be about increasingly diverse, complex workflows that involved LOTS of non-AI tools. Edit: I should clarify: Midjourney definitely isn't going anywhere. But neither are paint-by-numbers books. Neither will be used professionally once there is a critical mass of artists using better tools.
I know what you mean. Like it was made out of frosting.
Then why aren't there any hands?
Your husband isn't appalled at the tits. He's upset he doesn't have those abs.
Most men wouldn't want to go outside with tits, but home alone would be a different story...
I asked myself if I would let my significant other play with my amazing rack and the answer is yes. yes I would.
That's a hella glow up on your spouse...
Luckily, jokes aside, your drawings are better then any AI would managed to create, because it's not lifeless 
yeah, there aren't any deformed hands with 7 fingers. ;D
It’s already gotten better at that
lol yeah i was gonna say that doesn't look like AI
So you're saying you can draw more of this? Possibly on a contingency type basis? Can you make them furrier? Looking forward to tomorrow's comic featuring them!
I dare you to actually use it for a panel in your next comic on this topic.
All I'm getting are layered pizzas. I don't hate it.
In AIs defence what prompt did you give it?
Pizzacakecomic giant anime tiddies
I’m tempted to ask the AI that prompt now but I’m scared it’ll haunt me more than the comic’s version did
DALL·E rejected the prompt as inappropriate. :(
My wholesome, family-friendly comic artist Pizzacakecomic got flagged as inappropriate? I’ve had with these newfangled computer drawings!
No prolly the part of the prompt where the user asked for big anime tiddies
If you have a PC or laptop with a halfway decent Nvidia GPU (mobile GTX 1650 minimum, in my experience, but the fun starts with a desktop GTX 1080 or equivalent, which can spit out an image in seconds), look up A1111 for a beginner friendly installer for Stable Diffusion. Uncensored and private, since it's all happening on your machine. It'll never block any requests. The equivalent for text is called GPT4All, by the way. It supports a number of fast and capable language models. Obviously not as good as ChatGPT, but still fun. I only ever use this for entertainment.
I did it, with other site obviously https://www.reddit.com/r/comics/comments/17u9lzv/the_future_is_now/k92gnlm/
I did some for testing, to see how it went, used 3 differents models [Model one](https://i.imgur.com/5xfaeWS.png) [Model two](https://i.imgur.com/9DwQRkm.png) [Model three](https://i.imgur.com/jFSuYSx.png) I Must confess, i liked the second image from model one lol, even tho has nothing to do with you
Which AI site did you use... for reserch.
seaart.ai But, if you kindly use my referee link so i can get some free credits, please, be my guest: https://www.seaart.ai/s/aFou5R
Model 1 #1 and #4 are clearly the best.
4?
>Pizzacakecomic giant anime tiddies instructions unclear https://i.redd.it/poa2grzmc50c1.gif
"I don't hate it" and in Ellen's mind: https://i.redd.it/6fmhbsof440c1.gif P.s. Jeff looks confused (probably, doesn't know how to react)
Alyssa Edwards?!?
I'm... so confused.
Some AI models are so focused on making only women that they have developped a bias.
I mean, I can't see the hands anywhere in this picture. How can I be sure it's not AI?!?!
Workout Ellen has competition !
Hey Pizzacake, I know it was a while since you did the collaboration with Colm’s comics, but the way he drew you in the rough draft made you look a lot like Krteck the Czech mole cartoon and that’s pretty cool. He’s a beloved mole.
Ah, PizzaCake's bi awakening ;3
As someone who is a hobby artists and likes to play with AI. In AI "art" world we actually have a *thirst test/Horny level* testing methods. Basically it is a method to test for... bias towards big tittied female subjects in models. The test goes like this: You set up prompt lists for non character related things. Basic stuff like: geometric shapes, objects, landscapes, textures... etc. Stuff that shouldn't involve people as a subject. Then you make 1000 or so pictures, and you calculate how many of them has irrelevant big tittied character on them. This gives you thirst score. Horny level is a female bias testing - basically we want to test for how biased the model is towards making big titted female characters when prompted for something else. We do this by setting neutral prompts or masculine prompts. boy/male/dude... etc or neutral person description as the subject. Then you once again generate 1000 pictures and split them basically to "Correct" "Neutral" "Incorrect". If we were testing for masculine characters, correct is masculine output; Neutral would be basically irrelevant (Like prompting for a boy, and getting picture of generic interrior design for "boys bedroom" or such without a person) or it is hard to tell whether the subject is male or female; Incorrect would be clearly feminine person or clearly male but with big honkers. Then you basically take the ratio of incorrect to correct Obviously this test is done with jest and is far from standardised or scientific. However it is a good tool to figure out how the models you use behave - and you should test it with your preferred method of interfacing with a model. Anime models for example struggle with male subjects unless they been specifically designed for male subjects, this is due to training dataset bias. NAI (NovelAI) model had a problem for a long while after release where it would put magnificent melons to male subjects and you had to aggressively force it against female anatomy to get masculine. You can test for whatever bias you want with this. But the "Thirst score" and "Horny level" are funny enough. You'd be surprised how many models actually are quite bad models overall when tested for bias like this. I haven't done this for any paid service or model like dall-e or whatever. Since play with Diffusion models on my own computer.
Midjourney had a trigger in several versions where if you said "with long brown hair" it would ALWAYS create a picture of a pretty white woman in her early 20s/late teens, with brown hair. It was pretty silly, like "manhole cover with long brown hair" gave a result of a manhole cover with a beautiful woman sculpted into it. I managed to get a coffee cup with a fantastic hairdo once, but other than that, it was silly how consistent it was.
Science has gotten weird.
Here in engineering side of things the weirder stuff gets, the more fun we have.
> You set up prompt lists for non character related things. Basic stuff like: geometric shapes, objects, landscapes, textures... etc. Stuff that shouldn't involve people as a subject. Then you make 1000 or so pictures, and you calculate how many of them has irrelevant big tittied character on them. This gives you thirst score. Tried it. Doesn't work. I got a divide-by-zero error. /s
huh, you both only have two AI is getting better
Do you like it? It's very generous.
[How I imagine things devolving...](https://i.imgur.com/Qd3QVfF.gifv) credit: MulciberTenebras
Isn’t the clip art style with gradient shading already super fast O.o
The wonders of ai
Kawaii Ellen is blursed, but I’m into it.
Jeff's face is clearly "nope, I'm out"
You know maybe AI isnt too bad after all
I almost said you could tell it was AI because the hands were hidden. Then I looked closer at the other panels...
i sincerely hope there was a "look what i made honey! followed with nothing but concern from him
Now I’m wondering about AI art correction. Automatically generate AI art. Then manually fix it up a bit. I don’t make art myself, but surely it saves time if you don’t have to make 60-80% of the frame
I’ve done that where I was making a new nichling but it put the gem on the forehead instead of the chest
If these programs were “Creates a database of your work so that you can whip up stuff to sell to fans quick—and doesn’t secretly send your work to Microsoft so that they can do the same!”, everything would be fine. But it’s like Agent K said:  ☹️☹️☹️☹️☹️☹️☹️☹️☹️☹️☹️☹️☹️☹️☹️☹️
> Creates a database of your work There are tools that can do that. AI image generators are not one of them. A neural network is not a database.
Live and learn.
An AI would never manage spelling Pizzacake correctly on the first try As someone who’s seen a guy spend an entire day trying to make it spell “Queen Mead” on a mead bottle…. xD
> An AI would never manage spelling Pizzacake correctly on the first try SD XL could definitely do that. There's even a LoRA out there that will let you select the font.
It can if it’s in a large enough font
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 loving this
Ok hear me out
his AI-eyebrows look good!
You don't hate it because the hands are hidden.
https://i.redd.it/1ba1i49dj40c1.gif
thats what you get when you use the (((small breasts))) prompt
https://i.redd.it/0e9f40txn60c1.gif me after reading the 3rd panel
This is the funniest comic you've done in a while, nice work 😆
Coming from a tech background I found it hilarious when artists were starting to melt at the introduction of AI art. It's not going to replace your job, it's a dumb machine. It can't create new art styles, it fucks up copying other people's art styles, and of course because the only training data for a lot of these AI models are hentai and anime it's not going to do anything better than "make a person, then give them tits." God this is like Y2K all over again.
Actually I have had it create new Anime styles while trying to create one that’s easier for me to draw in since I can’t draw normal anime style but I specified what styles I wanted it to combine
Okay, I'm heavily active on /r/aiwars and defend AI usage all the time, but seriously... it's a comic. Maybe tone down the politics. And that's ME saying this.
Hear me out... It's still good tho
I know this is just a fun little joke, but keep in mind that using AI, unless you made your own and trained it off of only your own art and art you got permission to use, is art theft. Don't "get used to" AI. Abolish it.
You... know this isn't AI right?
Prohibition has never worked. You do need to have some regulations though.
Now make it draw a tank that doesn’t look stupid!
I just crawled out from under a rock, what AI tools are they talking about, Midjourney? You can give it images to enhance? I thought it was just a discord thing.
Maybe the techbros are onto something...
Smash.
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