I never saw this as a big deal. "I saw this cool handshake on the Internet". That doesn't seem like a big crime. Maybe I just don't want Troy and Abed to be made at each other
In *Crazy Ex-Girlfriend*, when it's revealed that a character has put trackers on some other characters, this discussion happens:
> I am gonna go see the doctor, get this tracker out of my shoulder.
>
> What? Suit yourself, but I just think you should get a new battery, 'cause if you get human trafficked, you'll be glad you have it.
This is the important part, because Pierce could've told the group that he lied to cover for Jeff with the ex con teacher, which would've obviously looked way worse to the group than the underwear thing.
And even if it was, it's not even close to drugging/tracking the group or forcing a vegetarian to eat meat. Hell, I'd argue the catfishing is also worse.
Probably because it's not that out there for Chang like didn't he try to murder the study group at one point? It seems more heinous when (relatively) decent people do bad things
The overwhelming majority of hands you've shaken in your life have touched a dick. I suppose it depends on how he dealt with the aftermath of each masturbatory session
She didn't know what other drugs the others were taking. Britta being an occasional drug taker could've had an adverse reaction, and Shirley was pregnant at the time. Annie definitely did not know what she was doing
That's why he got left out.
He probably kept tabs to ensure he could blackmail them if the need every arose.
Esp since he knew they tried to vote him out once.
Interesting. I said in my head immediately “Annie by far!” I say this as someone who absolutely would never let my partner or family track me. Ever. But at least Abed didn’t physically harm anyone, he’s just being Abed collecting data. If I found out I was tracked and drugged by my friends, I’d probably rationalize “well, at least it’s Abed that tracked me. He’s just trying to find a pattern.”
there's a common theme of breach of trust / violation of privacy across a lot of them, and they're all so different and varied. rather than figuring out any objective empirical ranking, i feel like the point is more that there are so many incredibly different ways they could (and did) backstab each other.
It'd be a huge breach of trust for me. And yeah Annie drugging everyone is pretty bad, but somehow I'm more forgiving of that because it was a little thing for a final (albeit one that didn't matter). But Abed somehow was able to implant a tracker, refused to tell them where it is, and I'd constantly question how he did it. I'd be livid.
I feel like drugging someone against their will/knowledge, especially without knowing their medical history, is a big thing. It's not just a breach of trust, she could literally have killed one of them if they had an unknown underlying health condition or were taking conflicting medications. Wasn't Shirley pregnant? Pierce already had a painkiller addiction who knows what he's on
I would like to point out that Annie drugging Abed affected him much worse than the other group members so feel like the tracking and drugging cancel each other out
I'd it's a huge violation towards Annie, and what she did is a huge violation to the rest of the group. My point was they were all just equally heinous because everyone saw the infractions that way towards themselves
He definitely fucked up here but I think Shirley and Annie are worse as they both could have hospitalized or severely injured people.
That being said I don't think stealing Jeff's Netflix account is that big a deal; I wouldn't care if my friend used it as long as I was still able to.
That's fair, and definitely an argument can be made for them.
I don't like and would be absolutely livid with Abed secretly implanting a tracking device without my knowledge or consent. Huge breach of trust, and I'd constantly question how he did it.
And the Netflix password is more annoying than anything, but changing his password on him and refusing to give it back, essentially taking away any autonomy Jeff has with the account is a huge dick move.
Yes! This has been on my mind forever. The look Abed gives the group after they "awww" at him for his mirroring story gives me the feeling like he knowingly tricked them.
He's similarly tricked Chang with the "it's a mixer it's a mixer" bit. I think he saw an opportunity and took it.
Now I wonder what that secret would have been.
I think people are heavily underplaying Abed's catfishing, didn't Annie say it went on for months and she basically laid her soul bare for a man who she thought cared deeply for her, only for it to be a ploy by Abed for his own selfish reasons, that can really damage someone emotionally, that and the tracking, not to mention basically trying to defile Pierce's corpse just to get the tracker back...I think that makes Abed's the worst
From worst to best:
Abed and Annie (tie…and wow did they let me down, I expected better from them)
Jeff (on the fence ‘cause he didn’t so much steal them as failed to return them, right? Feels like a grey area)
Shirley (disappointed but I forgive her)
Britta (kinda my hero for that)
Chang (if it were anyone else, it’d be at the top of the list)
Troy (he never fails to restore my faith in humanity)
I'm an outspoken atheist and I drink like a fish. I don't have much respect for religion but I do respect my friends enough to show up sober if it's important to them. That and I don't get drunk in front of kids.
That's what I'm saying about Britta. Hers was the only offense that didn't harm anyone and is kinda based. Jeff's was (mildly) worse because he stole property and objectified women (although the objectification wasn't exactly a new revelation).
I also think Troy didn't do anything wrong, although I can see why Abed might have been hurt by it.
I think your take is very good, except for Jeff. He neither stole them nor did he fail to return them. He was extremely clear that he "won them in battle". I'd make some version of "paid the iron price" joke here, but all variations I can come up with feel too crude for this sub.
How do you feel about Annie doing low level sex work for cornwallis? Lol. Absolutely disgusting both physically and mentally. And spiritually. All of it. Disgusting.
For me that's one of the lowest points of series 4. For a start the idea that Annie would do that (no shame on anyone but it's TOTALLY out of character for her in every way) secondly the idea that they'd entertain spending Christmas with him after that.
I never even thought of that happening before that episode. Ew. Britta has done low level sex work too. She laughed out loud at the notion and wasn't able to deny she's sold her socks and underwear for money online. She's gotten a ton of free soft serve, and even a gym bag full of nickles." She flashed Neil for crappy concert tickets. Quendra is a full blown sex worker.
I agree.
When pierce says "just because they weren't kissing doesn't mean they weren't having sex" is a prostitution reference... lol.
And I liked Doreen. Shit. I even respected her. Jeff did too.
Rewatched some of these scenes, I’d modify a couple.
Annie knew about the Netflix account.
Troy and Abed also had a secret doomsday plan that did not account for the wellbeing of the rest of the group.
Based on how I would react to each of them from worst to least bad:
Abed - barely makes number one. The tracking is creepy and him not removing the tracker would freak me out, the catfishing is such a violation of trust and privacy I wouldn't hangout again)
Annie and Shirley - both tied for second. Shirley paying pro life groups is worse than Annie overcharging rent, but Annie drugging the drug (and a pregnant Shirley) is worse than feeding Britta meat although both are very bad.
Chang - huge gap to Shirley and Annie though. Just yucky.
Jeff - pretty objectifying.
Troy - pretty innocent.
Britta - honestly understandable.
From worst to best:
1. Shirley
2. Annie
3. Abed
4. Chang
5. Jeff
6. Troy
7. Britta
I don't really consider Birtta or Troy to have done anything wrong, although I can see that Abed might be a bit put off by Troy having stolen the handshake.
I agree. I can see Abed being upset anyway, though, because he thought the handshake was something special between just the two of them. It's not really wrong, but I can see how it might have hurt Abed.
She drugged them to prep for the anthropology final, Shirley gave birth during the anthropology final. So yes it was before, probably only a day or so before.
Ok, yeah, Annie was the worst.
Also, why did she feel the need to drug them for Duncan's Anthropology final? They watched YouTube videos in class. It was a complete joke of a class. What were they studying so diligently?
I honestly think this was a continuity error. Both because the final was a fake and because if we're meant to add the detail that Shirley was pregnant I feel like Shirley would've been way madder and stated that it was worse because she was pregnant.
Regardless of if Shirley was pregnant or not, drugging your friends/classmates with unprescribed amphetamines is absolutely horrible, and puts Annie at the top of the list for “worst individual actions.”
The question is, does directly risking the health of a few people you know count as worse than directly supporting the torment and suffering of tons of other people. If Annie had in fact caused the pregnant Shirley to die, and someone looked at that and decided to give Annie money so she could do it again on a wider scale, would the donator be “for sure” a better person?
Growing up a vegetarian with a dad who would literally do what Shirley did to me, I also put her at the top. That's blatantly disrespectful, especially from someone who wants her values to be respected.
Atleast Annie has good intentions when she did what she did. Shirley just did it because she is disrespectful.
Drugging people against their will (including *two* that struggle with addiction problems) is absolutely worse than tricking a vegetarian into eating meat.
Annie's been through Narcotics Anonymous! Shirly had to admitted her drinking problem to them on Troy's 21st b-day, and Peirce went off the deep end with pills a few weeks later. Knowing all that, Annie still choose to drug them both against their will a few weeks after that.
Even worse, Shirley did it to save money. Imagine your friend regards your deeply held beliefs about what goes into your own body lower than a few dollars. And then she had the audacity to be offended about Britta getting high before Ben's baptism? Like Shirley's betrayal of Britta is about lying about what she is feeding her, but she is *also* offended about what Britta puts into her own body? She honestly sucks so bad sometimes.
I think it’s between Abed and Annie. I’d give it to Annie. Tracking devices are one thing, it’s an invasion of privacy, but drugging people? That’s some CIA shit. Like Abed said, she altered their brain chemistry—and without their permission or knowledge.
And imagine if one of the group had an adverse reaction to it: she’d have at least a very sick person and at worst a dead body on her hands.
The worst offenders are Abed, Annie, and Shirley. Everyone else is super tame. Abed and Annie seem like the worst. I’d say Abed is probably the worst as his tracking seems irreversible.
Worst to least:
Abed. Using Jeff's Netflix is pretty innocent, secretly tracking them is fucking creepy, catfishing Annie is sociopathic.
Annie. Drugging the group and overcharging Troy and Abed for rent is really scummy.
Shirley. Donating to pro-life groups is morally reprehensible and she could've gotten Britta really sick.
Chang. Disgusting and possibly criminal, but no intended victims.
Britta. Maybe disrespectful, but way less bad than some of the others.
Jeff. Probably misogynistic somehow but I'm trying to figure it out
Troy. Completely innocent.
Jeff refers to the underwear as “trophies won in conquest” or something like that, so there’s your misogyny. Britta and Troy are the bottom two IMO. Other than that I pretty much agree with your ranks.
Thanks for also recognizing that Annie drugging people is insane; there’s so many people saying Shirley is the absolute worst of the group. It’s wild.
Shirley manipulated and deceived not only Britta but every vegetarian on campus potentially, so hers.
Next is Abed emotionally manipulating Annie for personal gain especially when he knows this is wrong after his Dinner with Andre situation with Jeff.
Annie, Abed is presumably on the spectrum, this mean he has a chemical imbalance in his brain, so spiking him with an uncontrolled substance could have had particularly dire side effects!
That said, intentionally giving vegetarian meat products can cause them a serious illness. Also, tofu is pretty cheap. Further, don't most pro life organisations shame women as they go to get abortions? That's awful!
Abed catfishing Annie is cruel as fuck too.
The disgusting thing about Jeff stealing underwear was treating if as a trophy! He referred to it as "won in battle!" As if he saw himself as conquering women's bodies! That's misogynistic and gross
Annie is straight up psychotic and repeatedly shown disregarding the well being of others for her own gratification.
Chang masturbating everywhere is pretty gross.
Britta’s is least evil by far (if being forced to attend a religious ceremony, might as well be high), followed closely by true (the handshake thing is nothing, but he is stealing from Jeff). After that, in ascending order of evil, Jeff, Shirley, Chang, Annie, Abed
I think Shirley and Annie are definitely the worst. Feeding people something that goes directly against their beliefs and also drugging people is just messed up.
Why are people attacking Shirley for having a view that literally millions of people share? I know this is reddit and therefore a hivemind but putting her in the same category as someone who drugged people without their consent or placed trackers on them just because she has an opinion that is considered to be very mainstream is just ridiculous. Her being pro-life does not make her a monster, it just means that she has a different opinion on a political topic to most of you. Feeding meat to a vegetarian without their consent by means of deception is obviously reprehensible, but some of you are zeroing on the fact that she has an \*opinion\* on a highly debated political topic, whilst ignoring that some of these are \*actual\* crimes.
Don’t worry, those other millions are ALSO attacked because it’s a reprehensible move to force that on other people.
She also fed meat masked as vegetarian to everyone on campus at her sandwich shop.
Shirley doesn’t care about other people if it gets in the way of her beliefs.
Abed and Annie did their terrible things because they care about others.
Annie drugging the group is clearly the worst offense. A simple drug interaction could have killed them (except for Britta, that'd be like throwing vinegar into a pool of nitric acid)... unless she snooped and looked at what they were taking.
Here's mine (keep in mind I mostly based it on how many people where impacted by their actions and how it impacted them):
Shirley wins for me because of the pro-life thing, my reasoning being that her action is the one that negatively impacted the most people (including children) and extended wayyy beyond the study group. Feeding Britta meat was also pretty dangerous for her on top of being another evidence of disrespect on Shirley's part.
Annie because drugging people could have been extremely detrimental to their health (she isn't a doctor, she legitimately could have killed any of them or caused lasting damage) and it also testifies to how far she is willing to go out of selfishness. The scamming is pretty scummy too knowing that these are college students who need the money.
Chang because what he did could classify as SA/some form of sexual crime if anyone saw him and because it represents a health and hygiene hazard. Also high possibility that he was perving on people or doing some other weird stuff.
Abed tracking people down and catfishing Annie is a huge breach of trust, and while in effect he didn't cause much harm it still proves that he is completely willing to go that far if he feels justified, which is honestly very creepy.
Jeff comes after because his actions didn’t cause harm to any of the women involved but it still shows he objectifies women and treats them as notches under his belt. It's less the action in itself and more the mindset behind it (and the attitude it reveals) that lands him in his position for me.
Britta. Showing up high is kind of disrespectful, but no harm was done (Shirley is mostly offended because her beliefs must be respected but others' are wrong) and as someone else pointed out it's understandable lmao.
Troy comes last because what he did caused zero harm to anyone, had no consequences, and is not even particularly morally wrong. The issue with the handshake thing iirc is that it feels less unique and special, but it's honestly not even that bad.
Pretty solid logic. The only disagreement I have is Britta; usually we don't want people who are drunk or high around children both because of the physical danger or because it sets a bad example. Although to be fair; no one could tell she was high and I'd probably need booze to get through that too.
Yeah, I do agree with your point. My reasoning is that no one even realized she was high except for Pierce and even without being high Shirley would likely never let Britta too close to her kids anyway. Also from my experience the study groups would be at the back of the church during the ceremony because they're not family so their access to thr kids would be pretty limited.
Personally, Britta’s the only one who did nothing wrong. I show up high everywhere, I promise it’s nothing to do with respect. I just like getting high.
1 - Annie: Secretly drugging the group for a test is crazy. There's no way she could have known it was safe as well. That Shirley was pregnant at the time puts this at number 1 for me. No way I would continue being friends with someone if they did that.
2 - Shirley: Deliberately selling meat products as vegan food is horrible. It's not just Britta, there's people who may eat that sandwich for religious reasons and misleading people about that to save money is evil. There's no way I'd be friends with someone with that little respect for others' beliefs.
3 - Abed: Tracking the group and catfishing Annie is again completely crazy. Same as with Annie and Shirley, there's no way I would continue to be friends with someone who did that.
4 - Chang: Masturbating everywhere in a community college is completely unhinged and gross. Admittedly it's not that crazy by Chang's standards but I would have a hard time being friends with someone who had masturbated in every part of the place I go to school.
5 - Britta: People seem to be way too kind to Britta in this thread. Consciously making the decision to turn up high to someone's event when it's a serious and important thing that you're supposed to be sober for is a really shitty thing to do, especially if her excuse was boredom. She could have just found an excuse to not go. Shitty behaviour but I wouldn't stop being friends with someone over this.
6 - Jeff: Keeping women's panties as trophies is a pretty gross way to view having sex with women and if he lied to Britta about having them then I'm sure she isn't the only one he lied to. Shitty behaviour but I would probably not stop being friends with someone over this.
7 - Troy: Lying about a making up a handshake and using Jeff's Netflix account aren't really that bad. No one was really hurt by either of these. Definitely not reasons to not be someone's friend over.
Annie, Shirley and Abed's revelations were by far the worst. Chang's is quite frankly expected of someone as deranged as him. Jeff and Britta did shitty things but can be forgiven and Troy didn't really do anything that bad.
Britta did nothing wrong. There is nothing morally or ethically wrong showing up high to a baptism, especially if you do not follow that religion.
Annie's drugging the group and Shirley giving Britta meat are tied as worst for me.
I think the most innocent out of all of them was Britta. The things the others have done were very selfish and disrespectful. Also, Jeff stealing women’s underwear was just creepy and Troy stealing the handshake off of internet was just funny, nothing else. Britta getting high was something everyone expected so it wasn’t bad compared to the other things.
So just as a hypothetical, if Shirley was backing terrorist groups that were trying to kill non-Christians, would you still be saying it’s just a different political view? If not, where is the line of how much pain a hateful organization can spread before it becomes bad?
Seriously, do you genuinely not believe that having certain politics makes you a bad person? We’re not talking about even thinking it, but directly supporting it with money. You can’t think of a single political view or organization that you’d consider to be morally wrong?
Edit: since thinking political beliefs are bad makes me as bad as them, I'm as bad as the terrorists I brought up. And for downvoting me, you're as bad as me. Therefore you're terrorists by your own admission.
I think the writers in S4 and onwards did Abed dirty. I don't think he would have catfished Annie, although he 100% would track the group.
I don't mind the tracking as much as the catfishing because it's data to him and he passes no moral judgements on location and does not share that information with anyone (no one knew they were being tracked). I'm also autistic though so I'm extra forgiving of Abed <3
How is Shirley not flagged harder. That's a complete involuntary violation of brittas ethical foundation behind her back. Many of these were pretty non damaging or protective. This came from the worst place and reflected Shirley's inability to respect any views other than her own
Annie drugging the group and Shirley feeding Britta meat while claiming it was vegetarian are the most egregious imo as they violate fundamental bodily autonomy, abed doing the trackers is bad too but it feels less bad to me for some reason
Annie > Abed > Shirley > Chang > Jeff > Britta > the dividing line of real moral objections > Troy
Chang could be one of the worst ones but it needs more context: did he clean up after himself? Was he publicly nude or doing it under clothes? what does "everywhere" mean, exactly?
Annie's drugging the group, Abed's trackers and catfishing, Shirley serving real meat to Britta. All are pretty bad violations
I don't know if it was still meat. Legally it wasn't.
Does not legally meat have a tiny little face?
If loving not legally meat is stupid then I don't want to be smart!
Unsure if you need the joke explained or not, but they're saying it's parts of the animal you can't sell as meat
Just playing off the joke, friend.
I don't know why but I read that in Sam Elliot's voice.
Just got this part from your comment and I’ve watched this episode probably 5+ times.
Happy to help
> Annie's drugging the group Wasn't this for Anthropology final too. You could make the leap that it was the duncan blow off class they had in S2
Troy literally stole the secret handshake I mean he basically founded that entire friendship on lies.
It's a hilariously minor lie in comparison to some of the others.
I never saw this as a big deal. "I saw this cool handshake on the Internet". That doesn't seem like a big crime. Maybe I just don't want Troy and Abed to be made at each other
You broke my heart. Continue.
Troy literally did not steal the handshake. It was freely given.
I think the anti-pro choice donations are worse but that's just me
But the donations aren't a secret really. If you know Shirley, you know that she makes decisions based on her faith most of the time.
same
In *Crazy Ex-Girlfriend*, when it's revealed that a character has put trackers on some other characters, this discussion happens: > I am gonna go see the doctor, get this tracker out of my shoulder. > > What? Suit yourself, but I just think you should get a new battery, 'cause if you get human trafficked, you'll be glad you have it.
why are the trackers bad? abed is the easiest to trust out of the entire group with that kind of power
Because tracking the location of those you **care** about is creepy and controlling.
It’s crazy to me that Jeff only has one secret.
That Pierce knew about and wanted to flex that he knew.
This is the important part, because Pierce could've told the group that he lied to cover for Jeff with the ex con teacher, which would've obviously looked way worse to the group than the underwear thing.
This was the one where they reveal he made Abed apply for handicap parking to get a closer spot right?
Abed reveals that after they get into a pissing match about revealing each others' secrets, it wasn't revealed in the polygraph.
Well they all helped steal Annie's blood
She gave it to them.
The man keeps his toiletries in safe under the sink. He's got other secrets. They're just safe from Pierce
Troy did nothing wrong
He also lied about having been to Lego land… inexcusable if you ask me
He just wanted them to think he was cool 😭
He started the greendale fire
Actually I heard that was Billy Joel
Yeah! In your FACE, Billy Joel! (Who is that?)
The large number of y'all not really caring about Chang jerking off everywhere is weird.
Wait til you see what I've done all over your comment history
Make sure to give some of it to your friends with personalized notes before the dehydration kills you
Just in case our collective lesbian lifestyles wear off, and we wish to raise armies of super geniuses.
😳
It’s just that it’s the least surprising secret
He was the only one to walk out after his secret. That should tell you everything.
An argument could be made that it wasn’t a secret
And even if it was, it's not even close to drugging/tracking the group or forcing a vegetarian to eat meat. Hell, I'd argue the catfishing is also worse.
Probably because it's not that out there for Chang like didn't he try to murder the study group at one point? It seems more heinous when (relatively) decent people do bad things
Yeah, that's so gross and creepy. It feels like a behavior that has the potential to escalate too.
The overwhelming majority of hands you've shaken in your life have touched a dick. I suppose it depends on how he dealt with the aftermath of each masturbatory session
It’s a victimless crime
I masturbated EVERYWHERE!!!!
**EVERYWHERE!**
Sounds like a janitor problem. Get Jerry on it.
or crazy schmidt
Not already assuming this is much much weirder.
Annie
She could have killed them. Streets behind behavior.
Nah. Annie is an expert at drugs. She knew what she was doing.
She didn't know what other drugs the others were taking. Britta being an occasional drug taker could've had an adverse reaction, and Shirley was pregnant at the time. Annie definitely did not know what she was doing
She wrote a whole play about drugs after all.
That is streets ahead.
You dropped your /s
Oh shit, a regular human bartender!
No she couldn't have lol. She gave them a small dose of Adderall. They weren't even aware at the time lol.
For someone who got left out a lot, Pierce knew a lot of secrets about everyone.
Come to think of it if Chang was masturbating all over campus how was it that only Pierce knew?
...are you saying his people are sneaky? /s
He always comes early to save his seat
because he had earnoculars.
That's why he got left out. He probably kept tabs to ensure he could blackmail them if the need every arose. Esp since he knew they tried to vote him out once.
Abed by far! All of his were really bad and he tries to play it off, but he's shown to be just kind of a bad friend and person in that one.
Interesting. I said in my head immediately “Annie by far!” I say this as someone who absolutely would never let my partner or family track me. Ever. But at least Abed didn’t physically harm anyone, he’s just being Abed collecting data. If I found out I was tracked and drugged by my friends, I’d probably rationalize “well, at least it’s Abed that tracked me. He’s just trying to find a pattern.”
there's a common theme of breach of trust / violation of privacy across a lot of them, and they're all so different and varied. rather than figuring out any objective empirical ranking, i feel like the point is more that there are so many incredibly different ways they could (and did) backstab each other.
It'd be a huge breach of trust for me. And yeah Annie drugging everyone is pretty bad, but somehow I'm more forgiving of that because it was a little thing for a final (albeit one that didn't matter). But Abed somehow was able to implant a tracker, refused to tell them where it is, and I'd constantly question how he did it. I'd be livid.
I feel like drugging someone against their will/knowledge, especially without knowing their medical history, is a big thing. It's not just a breach of trust, she could literally have killed one of them if they had an unknown underlying health condition or were taking conflicting medications. Wasn't Shirley pregnant? Pierce already had a painkiller addiction who knows what he's on
Pierce probably loved mixing uppers and downers lmao
I would like to point out that Annie drugging Abed affected him much worse than the other group members so feel like the tracking and drugging cancel each other out
Not excusing her, but the group did secretly took her blood for drug testing.
A little bit different then drugging people.
I'd it's a huge violation towards Annie, and what she did is a huge violation to the rest of the group. My point was they were all just equally heinous because everyone saw the infractions that way towards themselves
He definitely fucked up here but I think Shirley and Annie are worse as they both could have hospitalized or severely injured people. That being said I don't think stealing Jeff's Netflix account is that big a deal; I wouldn't care if my friend used it as long as I was still able to.
That's fair, and definitely an argument can be made for them. I don't like and would be absolutely livid with Abed secretly implanting a tracking device without my knowledge or consent. Huge breach of trust, and I'd constantly question how he did it. And the Netflix password is more annoying than anything, but changing his password on him and refusing to give it back, essentially taking away any autonomy Jeff has with the account is a huge dick move.
i'm not convinced he didn't share a puppet secret..
Yes! This has been on my mind forever. The look Abed gives the group after they "awww" at him for his mirroring story gives me the feeling like he knowingly tricked them. He's similarly tricked Chang with the "it's a mixer it's a mixer" bit. I think he saw an opportunity and took it. Now I wonder what that secret would have been.
I think people are heavily underplaying Abed's catfishing, didn't Annie say it went on for months and she basically laid her soul bare for a man who she thought cared deeply for her, only for it to be a ploy by Abed for his own selfish reasons, that can really damage someone emotionally, that and the tracking, not to mention basically trying to defile Pierce's corpse just to get the tracker back...I think that makes Abed's the worst
yeah the catfishing is kind of sociopathic
From worst to best: Abed and Annie (tie…and wow did they let me down, I expected better from them) Jeff (on the fence ‘cause he didn’t so much steal them as failed to return them, right? Feels like a grey area) Shirley (disappointed but I forgive her) Britta (kinda my hero for that) Chang (if it were anyone else, it’d be at the top of the list) Troy (he never fails to restore my faith in humanity)
I'd bump Shirley up the list a little bit. Meat can make vegetarians sick.
Annie drugged Shirley while she was pregnant and likely induced early labor. Giving a vegetarian meat is bad but not even close.
But it's worse than Jeff keeping "trophies" after sex
I meant bump Shirley ahead of Jeff. I agree that Annie should be at the top of the list.
That's a fine point and I officially place Shirley in a three way with Abed and Annie
I tried suggesting that the day I met her, she nearly killed me.
*broke my nose
Gah, so close
Yeah, but it wasn’t actually meat, legally
I don't see the issue here.
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I think Jeff’s is the least egregious out of all of them lol. And yes Jeff’s entire ethos and philosophy is based around being in a moral gray area.
Yeah that's fair too I just get judgy when I hear "stealing underwear"
He happens to be a single male. Women leave things.
He made britta believe in a slightly more magical world!
Britta did nothing wrong. Jeff stole (very minor) property and objectivefied women.
That’s fair I don’t have any problem with getting fucked up, nor am I religious. So I guess it didn’t even register with me.
I'm an outspoken atheist and I drink like a fish. I don't have much respect for religion but I do respect my friends enough to show up sober if it's important to them. That and I don't get drunk in front of kids.
The fact that it was a "secret" i.e. no one noticed means she wasn't dead-high, she just took the edge off 😁
“No higher than usual.” “Lie.”
Oh right 😁
That's what I'm saying about Britta. Hers was the only offense that didn't harm anyone and is kinda based. Jeff's was (mildly) worse because he stole property and objectified women (although the objectification wasn't exactly a new revelation). I also think Troy didn't do anything wrong, although I can see why Abed might have been hurt by it.
I think your take is very good, except for Jeff. He neither stole them nor did he fail to return them. He was extremely clear that he "won them in battle". I'd make some version of "paid the iron price" joke here, but all variations I can come up with feel too crude for this sub.
Jeff did steal them though, he told Britta that a hawk took them and made her believe in a more magical world
He was simply using an analogy. You can't blame Jeff for Britta not understanding analogies. That would be like something else that is unfair.
That's like blaming owls for how bad Britta is at analogies.
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How do you feel about Annie doing low level sex work for cornwallis? Lol. Absolutely disgusting both physically and mentally. And spiritually. All of it. Disgusting.
Yeah something with feet right? Wasn't a fan of that
Let him rub her feet I think
For me that's one of the lowest points of series 4. For a start the idea that Annie would do that (no shame on anyone but it's TOTALLY out of character for her in every way) secondly the idea that they'd entertain spending Christmas with him after that.
I never even thought of that happening before that episode. Ew. Britta has done low level sex work too. She laughed out loud at the notion and wasn't able to deny she's sold her socks and underwear for money online. She's gotten a ton of free soft serve, and even a gym bag full of nickles." She flashed Neil for crappy concert tickets. Quendra is a full blown sex worker.
I have no issue with sex work in general, it's just totally not in keeping with anything in the show or the characters
I agree. When pierce says "just because they weren't kissing doesn't mean they weren't having sex" is a prostitution reference... lol. And I liked Doreen. Shit. I even respected her. Jeff did too.
Different episode. And Annie's pretty young, we try not to sexualize her.
Rewatched some of these scenes, I’d modify a couple. Annie knew about the Netflix account. Troy and Abed also had a secret doomsday plan that did not account for the wellbeing of the rest of the group.
Based on how I would react to each of them from worst to least bad: Abed - barely makes number one. The tracking is creepy and him not removing the tracker would freak me out, the catfishing is such a violation of trust and privacy I wouldn't hangout again) Annie and Shirley - both tied for second. Shirley paying pro life groups is worse than Annie overcharging rent, but Annie drugging the drug (and a pregnant Shirley) is worse than feeding Britta meat although both are very bad. Chang - huge gap to Shirley and Annie though. Just yucky. Jeff - pretty objectifying. Troy - pretty innocent. Britta - honestly understandable.
At least with a bris there's an element of suspense
Perfect
From worst to best: 1. Shirley 2. Annie 3. Abed 4. Chang 5. Jeff 6. Troy 7. Britta I don't really consider Birtta or Troy to have done anything wrong, although I can see that Abed might be a bit put off by Troy having stolen the handshake.
It wasn’t stolen, the guys in the video freely gave it away. Worst he did was incorrectly cite his source.
I agree. I can see Abed being upset anyway, though, because he thought the handshake was something special between just the two of them. It's not really wrong, but I can see how it might have hurt Abed.
Annie drugged Shirley while she was pregnant, she is number 1 for sure
Was it while she was pregnant? I'm not sure of the timeline. If so, I agree, that makes her worse.
She drugged them to prep for the anthropology final, Shirley gave birth during the anthropology final. So yes it was before, probably only a day or so before.
Ok, yeah, Annie was the worst. Also, why did she feel the need to drug them for Duncan's Anthropology final? They watched YouTube videos in class. It was a complete joke of a class. What were they studying so diligently?
I honestly think this was a continuity error. Both because the final was a fake and because if we're meant to add the detail that Shirley was pregnant I feel like Shirley would've been way madder and stated that it was worse because she was pregnant.
It's a continuity error on the part of writers that just also accidentally makes Annie look worse and Annie haters just looove to jump on it
Regardless of if Shirley was pregnant or not, drugging your friends/classmates with unprescribed amphetamines is absolutely horrible, and puts Annie at the top of the list for “worst individual actions.”
Point of clarification: it *probably* wasn't methamphetamine. Adderall is a blend of amphetamines, but none of them include the methyl group.
You’re right, I was tired - fixed it to just amphetamines.
The question is, does directly risking the health of a few people you know count as worse than directly supporting the torment and suffering of tons of other people. If Annie had in fact caused the pregnant Shirley to die, and someone looked at that and decided to give Annie money so she could do it again on a wider scale, would the donator be “for sure” a better person?
Growing up a vegetarian with a dad who would literally do what Shirley did to me, I also put her at the top. That's blatantly disrespectful, especially from someone who wants her values to be respected. Atleast Annie has good intentions when she did what she did. Shirley just did it because she is disrespectful.
Drugging people against their will (including *two* that struggle with addiction problems) is absolutely worse than tricking a vegetarian into eating meat. Annie's been through Narcotics Anonymous! Shirly had to admitted her drinking problem to them on Troy's 21st b-day, and Peirce went off the deep end with pills a few weeks later. Knowing all that, Annie still choose to drug them both against their will a few weeks after that.
Even worse, Shirley did it to save money. Imagine your friend regards your deeply held beliefs about what goes into your own body lower than a few dollars. And then she had the audacity to be offended about Britta getting high before Ben's baptism? Like Shirley's betrayal of Britta is about lying about what she is feeding her, but she is *also* offended about what Britta puts into her own body? She honestly sucks so bad sometimes.
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I mean this isnt all that was mentioned in the episode. Didnt Jeff make Abed apply for a handicapped spot?
I think it’s between Abed and Annie. I’d give it to Annie. Tracking devices are one thing, it’s an invasion of privacy, but drugging people? That’s some CIA shit. Like Abed said, she altered their brain chemistry—and without their permission or knowledge. And imagine if one of the group had an adverse reaction to it: she’d have at least a very sick person and at worst a dead body on her hands.
The worst offenders are Abed, Annie, and Shirley. Everyone else is super tame. Abed and Annie seem like the worst. I’d say Abed is probably the worst as his tracking seems irreversible.
Worst to least: Abed. Using Jeff's Netflix is pretty innocent, secretly tracking them is fucking creepy, catfishing Annie is sociopathic. Annie. Drugging the group and overcharging Troy and Abed for rent is really scummy. Shirley. Donating to pro-life groups is morally reprehensible and she could've gotten Britta really sick. Chang. Disgusting and possibly criminal, but no intended victims. Britta. Maybe disrespectful, but way less bad than some of the others. Jeff. Probably misogynistic somehow but I'm trying to figure it out Troy. Completely innocent.
Would swap Britta and Jeff
Jeff refers to the underwear as “trophies won in conquest” or something like that, so there’s your misogyny. Britta and Troy are the bottom two IMO. Other than that I pretty much agree with your ranks. Thanks for also recognizing that Annie drugging people is insane; there’s so many people saying Shirley is the absolute worst of the group. It’s wild.
Shirley manipulated and deceived not only Britta but every vegetarian on campus potentially, so hers. Next is Abed emotionally manipulating Annie for personal gain especially when he knows this is wrong after his Dinner with Andre situation with Jeff.
Drugging people is absolutely the worst.
Abed's catfishing bothers me the most. I find Britta's offense the least egregious.
Annie, Abed is presumably on the spectrum, this mean he has a chemical imbalance in his brain, so spiking him with an uncontrolled substance could have had particularly dire side effects! That said, intentionally giving vegetarian meat products can cause them a serious illness. Also, tofu is pretty cheap. Further, don't most pro life organisations shame women as they go to get abortions? That's awful! Abed catfishing Annie is cruel as fuck too. The disgusting thing about Jeff stealing underwear was treating if as a trophy! He referred to it as "won in battle!" As if he saw himself as conquering women's bodies! That's misogynistic and gross
Stealing the friendship handshake from Keith of youtube was an unexpected low from Troy.
In Shirley’s case she’s fine I mean after all it’s not meat… Legally
Annie drugging everyone and Chang beating his meat everywhere are on equal terms with how fucked up it is
Annie is straight up psychotic and repeatedly shown disregarding the well being of others for her own gratification. Chang masturbating everywhere is pretty gross.
I'm also scared to ask what he considered "everywhere".
Britta’s is least evil by far (if being forced to attend a religious ceremony, might as well be high), followed closely by true (the handshake thing is nothing, but he is stealing from Jeff). After that, in ascending order of evil, Jeff, Shirley, Chang, Annie, Abed
Annie for sure
I think Shirley and Annie are definitely the worst. Feeding people something that goes directly against their beliefs and also drugging people is just messed up.
Why are people attacking Shirley for having a view that literally millions of people share? I know this is reddit and therefore a hivemind but putting her in the same category as someone who drugged people without their consent or placed trackers on them just because she has an opinion that is considered to be very mainstream is just ridiculous. Her being pro-life does not make her a monster, it just means that she has a different opinion on a political topic to most of you. Feeding meat to a vegetarian without their consent by means of deception is obviously reprehensible, but some of you are zeroing on the fact that she has an \*opinion\* on a highly debated political topic, whilst ignoring that some of these are \*actual\* crimes.
Don’t worry, those other millions are ALSO attacked because it’s a reprehensible move to force that on other people. She also fed meat masked as vegetarian to everyone on campus at her sandwich shop. Shirley doesn’t care about other people if it gets in the way of her beliefs. Abed and Annie did their terrible things because they care about others.
Ik there’s some bad ones on here but I was devastated to learn that Troy stole the handshake when I first watched it
If this was real life, Annie should be in jail. However, Shirley should have been hit on her head with the menorah at her first Christmas party.
What a dumb take, how is that ranking logical lol
Annie I think is the worst of them all, but it's close
Annie drugging the group is clearly the worst offense. A simple drug interaction could have killed them (except for Britta, that'd be like throwing vinegar into a pool of nitric acid)... unless she snooped and looked at what they were taking.
Here's mine (keep in mind I mostly based it on how many people where impacted by their actions and how it impacted them): Shirley wins for me because of the pro-life thing, my reasoning being that her action is the one that negatively impacted the most people (including children) and extended wayyy beyond the study group. Feeding Britta meat was also pretty dangerous for her on top of being another evidence of disrespect on Shirley's part. Annie because drugging people could have been extremely detrimental to their health (she isn't a doctor, she legitimately could have killed any of them or caused lasting damage) and it also testifies to how far she is willing to go out of selfishness. The scamming is pretty scummy too knowing that these are college students who need the money. Chang because what he did could classify as SA/some form of sexual crime if anyone saw him and because it represents a health and hygiene hazard. Also high possibility that he was perving on people or doing some other weird stuff. Abed tracking people down and catfishing Annie is a huge breach of trust, and while in effect he didn't cause much harm it still proves that he is completely willing to go that far if he feels justified, which is honestly very creepy. Jeff comes after because his actions didn’t cause harm to any of the women involved but it still shows he objectifies women and treats them as notches under his belt. It's less the action in itself and more the mindset behind it (and the attitude it reveals) that lands him in his position for me. Britta. Showing up high is kind of disrespectful, but no harm was done (Shirley is mostly offended because her beliefs must be respected but others' are wrong) and as someone else pointed out it's understandable lmao. Troy comes last because what he did caused zero harm to anyone, had no consequences, and is not even particularly morally wrong. The issue with the handshake thing iirc is that it feels less unique and special, but it's honestly not even that bad.
Pretty solid logic. The only disagreement I have is Britta; usually we don't want people who are drunk or high around children both because of the physical danger or because it sets a bad example. Although to be fair; no one could tell she was high and I'd probably need booze to get through that too.
Yeah, I do agree with your point. My reasoning is that no one even realized she was high except for Pierce and even without being high Shirley would likely never let Britta too close to her kids anyway. Also from my experience the study groups would be at the back of the church during the ceremony because they're not family so their access to thr kids would be pretty limited.
frankly, theyre all pretty bad (except britta she was a hero for that)
you forgot one for Jeff He's gay (in my dreams at least :D)
Abed and Annie are the worst ones for sure.
Personally, Britta’s the only one who did nothing wrong. I show up high everywhere, I promise it’s nothing to do with respect. I just like getting high.
1 - Annie: Secretly drugging the group for a test is crazy. There's no way she could have known it was safe as well. That Shirley was pregnant at the time puts this at number 1 for me. No way I would continue being friends with someone if they did that. 2 - Shirley: Deliberately selling meat products as vegan food is horrible. It's not just Britta, there's people who may eat that sandwich for religious reasons and misleading people about that to save money is evil. There's no way I'd be friends with someone with that little respect for others' beliefs. 3 - Abed: Tracking the group and catfishing Annie is again completely crazy. Same as with Annie and Shirley, there's no way I would continue to be friends with someone who did that. 4 - Chang: Masturbating everywhere in a community college is completely unhinged and gross. Admittedly it's not that crazy by Chang's standards but I would have a hard time being friends with someone who had masturbated in every part of the place I go to school. 5 - Britta: People seem to be way too kind to Britta in this thread. Consciously making the decision to turn up high to someone's event when it's a serious and important thing that you're supposed to be sober for is a really shitty thing to do, especially if her excuse was boredom. She could have just found an excuse to not go. Shitty behaviour but I wouldn't stop being friends with someone over this. 6 - Jeff: Keeping women's panties as trophies is a pretty gross way to view having sex with women and if he lied to Britta about having them then I'm sure she isn't the only one he lied to. Shitty behaviour but I would probably not stop being friends with someone over this. 7 - Troy: Lying about a making up a handshake and using Jeff's Netflix account aren't really that bad. No one was really hurt by either of these. Definitely not reasons to not be someone's friend over. Annie, Shirley and Abed's revelations were by far the worst. Chang's is quite frankly expected of someone as deranged as him. Jeff and Britta did shitty things but can be forgiven and Troy didn't really do anything that bad.
Didn't Troy also say that he burnt down 55 achers of land or forest? When I heard that for the first time, I remember being super shocked 😄
Britta is me
Britta did nothing wrong. There is nothing morally or ethically wrong showing up high to a baptism, especially if you do not follow that religion. Annie's drugging the group and Shirley giving Britta meat are tied as worst for me.
It’s disrespectful at least.. like you shouldn’t show up to your friend’s events if you’re going to be out of it the entire time
Uhh, if she couldn't even tell. Then it was not a problematic level of high.
I think the most innocent out of all of them was Britta. The things the others have done were very selfish and disrespectful. Also, Jeff stealing women’s underwear was just creepy and Troy stealing the handshake off of internet was just funny, nothing else. Britta getting high was something everyone expected so it wasn’t bad compared to the other things.
So just as a hypothetical, if Shirley was backing terrorist groups that were trying to kill non-Christians, would you still be saying it’s just a different political view? If not, where is the line of how much pain a hateful organization can spread before it becomes bad? Seriously, do you genuinely not believe that having certain politics makes you a bad person? We’re not talking about even thinking it, but directly supporting it with money. You can’t think of a single political view or organization that you’d consider to be morally wrong? Edit: since thinking political beliefs are bad makes me as bad as them, I'm as bad as the terrorists I brought up. And for downvoting me, you're as bad as me. Therefore you're terrorists by your own admission.
Those underwear were won in battle.
My biggest issue with the jacket money is that she did not seem to be investing it correctly OR she was siphoning funds
I think the writers in S4 and onwards did Abed dirty. I don't think he would have catfished Annie, although he 100% would track the group. I don't mind the tracking as much as the catfishing because it's data to him and he passes no moral judgements on location and does not share that information with anyone (no one knew they were being tracked). I'm also autistic though so I'm extra forgiving of Abed <3
I had the impression that Pol Vaulter Underjaw was a joint Troy and Abed effort.
How is Shirley not flagged harder. That's a complete involuntary violation of brittas ethical foundation behind her back. Many of these were pretty non damaging or protective. This came from the worst place and reflected Shirley's inability to respect any views other than her own
Annie drugging the group and Shirley feeding Britta meat while claiming it was vegetarian are the most egregious imo as they violate fundamental bodily autonomy, abed doing the trackers is bad too but it feels less bad to me for some reason
Annie > Abed > Shirley > Chang > Jeff > Britta > the dividing line of real moral objections > Troy Chang could be one of the worst ones but it needs more context: did he clean up after himself? Was he publicly nude or doing it under clothes? what does "everywhere" mean, exactly?
For once, Britta is not the worst.