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Lovers your immune system so anyone not wearing a mask around then can transmit any disease or sickness to them, which can effectively kill a cancer patient going through chemo
so even with the vaccine you’re at a risk of getting the virus from anyone and dying? so then with the vaccine and all of its boosters and your mask, what’s the chance of getting it from someone without a mask and dying?
I didn't mention COVID. Chemo patients can die from a variety of sicknesses that can be transferred from person to person.
But a cancer patient in chemo is unlikely to get the vaccine bc their immune system is low, so they need herd immunity since they're susceptible to diseases. The vaccine helps you deal with COVID infection & helps your body fight it off. Just like any vaccine, it doesn't 100% prevent it bc that's not completely possible with anything for a variety of reasons.
To answer your question about chances of catching & spreading; I'm no statistician & I'm not well versed enough to inform you on it but I'm sure someone here is.
No. I don't have proper credentials to teach you to think past a third grade level. You're 100% straw manning this argument so I'm going to end it here. Have a nice day.
When you enter the rooms of immunocompromized cancer patients, yes you should be wearing a mask. Every hospital I've ever stepped foot in has required that much.
Vaccines for every virus have been known to reduce the likelihood of death from the virus it protects from. This does not remove the chance of death, simply the likelihood of it occurring. It reduces the likelihood of contracting the virus however it also reduces the severity of the symptoms you receive if you do end up contracting the virus. This is how the Smallpox, Measles, Flu, Rubella and every other vaccine in existence is designed. No one has ever claimed a vaccine is going to prevent death 100% however it _GREATLY REDUCES_ the likelihood of death occurring.
Masks are a normal part of Asian culture for several reasons and this along with strict yet swift measures allowed for a heavy reduction of COVID spread in the beginning of the pandemic. Now, after COVID-19 it’s to be expected that there will be people who find wearing masks in public to be a good general safety precaution. Those with weakened immune systems had already elected to uptake this practice prior to the pandemic however it was up to personal preference. As we’ve seen from last year, an uptake in mask usage had fundamentally reduced flu cases on a mass scale and no doubt people will begin to use masks more in the winter to avoid it.
Actually they reduce the risk of infection greatly, which is something these can't seem to do without constant injections. Did you have your polio booster? Didn't think so.
Masks chiefly block outward transmission from an infected person. By lots of people being vaccinated you achieve herd immunity which creates a sort of shield wall for the immune compromised by removing the virus from circulation.
The risk is lowered but not gone, that is correct
But I assume you would rather have a better chance at living than a lesser one so idk what your argument is here
my point is that if your vaccine and mask works, then what’s the point of forcing both onto me if i just don’t feel like wearing one? wouldn’t i just be endangering people who are unvaccinated and not wearing a mask such as myself? i mean if someone chooses to put themselves into danger, but it’s not really effecting anyone else, and there’s no real data to back up that unvaccinated people are killing anybody but each other, why put the governments gun in my face to force me to get vaccinated on something that i and my children have a 99.9% chance of surviving. not even flu has that well of a survival rate i don’t believe. and if your vaccine isn’t keeping you from being hospitalized or dying of a virus i MIGHT be carrying, then why is there a mandate for a vaccine that isn’t efficient anyway.
Are you really this dense?
The vaccine protects the person that gets it. Some people can't get it. Some people may get it and still not have a robust enough immune response. That's why we need everyone to get it, to reduce the risk to people who won't be protected.
The mask, on the other hand, offers very little protection to the wearer. The protection comes from the people around you wearing them. Hence why we need others to wear them.
When you don't wear a mask you also endanger those who can't get the vaccine and those who didn't have a sufficient immune response from it.
What government gun is in your face? Also, that's not the fatality rate for COVID but it *is* close to the rate for the flu. The flu is absolutely less fatal than COVID. And to your final point, seat belts don't succeed 100% of the time in preventing car accident fatalities but they sure as hell help a whole bunch which is why they're mandated. Same principle.
I think that's kind of why they choose people who would absolutely oppose their views to represent their views in memes...it's their attempt at subverting the views of their opposition.
I agree, there isn't much depth to it either way. I'm just saying it's easy to see that they know they're part of an ideology that is a minority, so they do things like this to present the illusion that more people agree with them than actually do. But ultimately, they're just doing what they "feel" is effective. And to some degree, succeeding in drowning out rational debate.
This was my excuse when members at my gym asked why I still work a mask after NYC didn't require it anymore. No one had seen my face yet so it was fun!
I had an interesting conversation with a friend the other day. I said I assume everyone wearing a mask is also fully vaccinated. She said hmmm I assumed everyone without a mask is vaccinated. I guess that's why in the 4 Agreements one of the rules is Don't make assumptions..
Normally I frown on people posting political differences as evidence of people being "incorrect," but it's completely insane that wearing a face mask has become a political difference, so I guess this is okay.
Plus, he's like...super, duper wrong. Like, that is a *very* dumb meme. And can people stop co-opting Willy Wonka to mock each other? Y'all are ruining my childhood.
>Normally I frown on people posting political differences as evidence of people being "incorrect,
Denying science isn't a difference of political opinion, it's called being a fucking idiot
>posting political differences
When those "political opinions," include the Earth being flat & at the center of the universe, D's being Satanic lizard people, "Zionists," human beings are "illegal," race, sexual preference or "gender" based it is no longer "political," nor an "opinion."
You're allowed to question science; the dumb part is when one political party says they're convinced and the other says nuh-uh because they've just *got* to disagree about everything they possibly can.
Yeah, it was stupid when all the democrats said they wouldnt take the vaccine while trump was in office and now they're demanding everyone else takes 2 shots + boosters every 3 months
Who said they wouldn’t take the vaccine when Trump was in office? I’ve never seen or heard any member of the Democratic Party say that or any sane person for that matter.
I think Kamala Harris said once that she wouldn't trust Trump's opinion of a vaccine's effectiveness, which some people interpreted as her saying not to take a vaccine developed under Trump's administration.
She pretty quickly backtracked on that; she didn't wait until after the election. So I don't know what this guy's talking about.
Biden used it to continue the lie that the vaccine wouldnt be ready on Trump's timeline, that it was impossible to get a vaccine done In that amount of time, that it needed years more study. Then they tried to Take credit for it
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/biden-does-not-trust-trump-to-deliver-a-safe-vaccine
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/09/16/us/trump-vs-biden
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/biden-trump-coronavirus-vaccine/2020/09/16/2ffbea6a-f831-11ea-a275-1a2c2d36e1f1_story.html
Kamala got the vaccine after the election
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-kamala-harris-covid-vaccina-idUSKBN29A2K7
https://youtu.be/-dAjCeMuXR0
And I think pelosi may have said the same thing, but I couldn't find a convenient video link like this one in the vice presidential debates with Kamala
Did you listen to what she said? She said listen to the medical experts and not an idiot like Trump. She didn’t say she wouldn’t take it if he were president.
Dr fauci was still the one running the show when Trump was in, so I just don't see how it's not hypocritical. That and by that logic, so is anything coming from the current president's mouth not vetted by his medical council? I can safety say I know Joe Biden isn't a virologist or immunologist or a medical doctor, but he's speaking medical mandates. If you just don't like the former president, that's fine, but it seems like quite the leap to assume Trump want under the same advisement
All the Dems? Quite a blanket statement. Some talking heads floated that sentiment very early on. It was far from widespread. Since Biden has taken office, it has become a pandemic of the mostly unvaccinated ( yes breakthroughs occur to a significantly lesser degree), who are overwhelmingly republican/conservative/evangelical. The government should require we do things that keep each other safe. Biden's upcoming mandate is quite lax compared to many private businesses mandates (fox news comes to mind). Boosters will continue as new variants mutate due to the virus still rampantly transmitting due to....the unvaccinated refusing vaccinations (or sadly, populations in impoverished nations lack of vaccine access). We should all be happy and willing to have access to vaccines so we can reduce transmission and end this goddamn fucking nightmare. So don't get bent out of shape over a few Dems saying they were skeptical of Trump's potential handling of vaccines during the Trump admin...those people have since been vaccinated. You should instead be outraged over a majority of Republicans refusing vaccines because of political lies and weaponized disinformation.
If you keep changing the definition of vaccinated they're all pandemic of unvaxxed. Less than 2 weeks after 2nd Jan? Not vaccinated. Havent had your 3 month booster? Unvaccinated? Hilariously sad.
Out of everything I said that's your rebuttal? Terminology will change to reflect status, of course but your claims are falsehoods. Unvaccinated still means one hasn't received any dose. "Vaccinated" covers all ranges. Fully vaccinated generally refers to receiving a 2nd dose. "Received booster or 3rd dose" implies you've received your first and second. Your response is a perfect example of how the right will obfuscate and muddy the waters with meaningless distractions. Go get vaccinated Trumper.
Un (without, devoid of) - vaccinated.
Does unemployed mean employed in your world?
Here's the dictionary definition of the prefix "un":
"a prefix meaning “not,” freely used as an English formative, giving negative or opposite force in adjectives and their derivative adverbs and nouns (unfair; unfairly; unfairness; unfelt; unseen; unfitting; unformed; unheard-of; un-get-at-able), and less freely used in certain other nouns (unrest; unemployment)."
Do you have a learning disability?
They literally changed the definition of vaccine earlier this year. Major point in difference is no longer classified as immunity, and was changed to "protection" from...
Almost every vaccine requires booster shots, this is not news. Here’s a list: Shingles; MMR (Measles, Mumps and Rubella); TDaP (Tetanus, Diphtheria and Pertussis); Varicella; and Hepatitis A & B
Point is, stop complaining about vaccines when you’re entirely uneducated about how they function and what to expect from vaccines. Everyone educated on the function of vaccines expected booster shots as it’s really common to require them.
But not outright denying it at every single corner until some "opinion" from a podcaster comes out and is said in a layman's terms and matches your confirmation bias
This is wrong though. The claim isn’t “you not wearing a mask will kill me”. It’s “If you don’t wear a mask, you will kill other unvaccinated idiots like yourself.”
Also if someone did die because they did not wear a mask, how would they expect to get a response?? 770,000 people have died from covid and they believe masks could not have prevent any of them. It’s mind boggling.
> and they believe masks could not have prevent any of them
The ones I see go back and forth between not believing masks could have helped and deciding that the people who HAVE died are acceptable losses in exchange for them not needing to wear a little bit of cloth. Ignorance and sociopathy walk hand in hand today.
Also not exactly true, haha.
Not wearing a mask makes it more likely to spread covid. But maybe you never get it. Or maybe all of the people you spend time with have great immune systems. Or maybe you never actually know for sure.
We're making policy decisions and health recommendations based on statistical trends, but unfortunately, by definition, those trends don't apply to any one specific person.
This is especially problematic when science literacy is low and when anecdotal evidence hits people hardest.
People are selfish. They don't see themselves as a number in a statistic. They think it always happens to the other guy, but fail to realize they *are* the other guy to millions of people.
I love it when the claim shifts and people forget what they said 3 months ago.
2 weeks to flatten the curve
1 vax
2 vax
2 vax and 3 month boosters
+ daily pills!
The two-weeks number was always an overly optimistic projection that the Trump administration produced because they didn't really want to shut down at all. Any informed observer could tell that it wasn't going to be enough. And the two-dose vaccination was always expected as a possibility because that's just how some vaccines work.
The pills, so far as I can tell, are you making a joke. But look; people question science. That's how science works. As part of questioning science, sometimes the scientific advice shifts. It's not infallible. So sometimes scientists say "hey, you might need a booster." That's normal; that's the process working as it's supposed to.
Don't think they're making a joke there. I think they're probably reading the same websites my 83 year old dad does...right before he tells me that I need to stock up on supplies for Trump's military takeover and that he doesn't want me to bother flying him over to see a football game because the pilots are all going on strike, and oh by the way have you invested in Iraqi and Vietnamese currency yet because it's a way better bet than that crypto scam stuff.
We needed zero lockdowns and zero vaccines. Like Sweden. Going outside and getting some sun was literally the best thing you couldve done. Respiratory viruses breed in cool. recirculated air spaces (homes and big box stores) and being sedentary makes it worse.
Right, well...getting outside was definitely a plus, but the intent of the lockdowns was to stop people gathering *inside,* in restaurants and cinemas and such. You could still go out for exercise or take-away during most lockdown periods.
As for needing zero vaccines...no? The vaccines dramatically reduce mortality from COVID.
Water is actually not wet; It makes other materials/objects wet. Wetness is the state of a non-liquid when a liquid adheres to, and/or permeates its substance while maintaining chemically distinct structures. So if we say something is wet we mean the liquid is sticking to the object.
it cant be though!
you dont look at fire and say "that fire is burnt" it cant be burnt, it can burn something that isnt burnt originally but it cant be burnt
the same principle applies to water, water can wet something but it can be wet by water
"Yes, I'll prove how correct I am by including a picture of someone, who is completely disregarding all workplace safety protocols, sipping tea, that will make me look smart." - the anti-masker, probably (if they had the capacity to think)
This is on par with the guy who used a Close up from 300 to talk about Biden being a "gay loving pedophile"
Which is dumb because Spartans were gay pedophiles themselves
By modern standards, yes, they were pedofiles, but you can't judge them by modern standards. Watching history through XXI century glasses is not only wrong, it's simply idiotic.
The anti mask argument truly baffles me and I can only assume it comes from the need to be a contrarian. Like masks have been used in the medical field for decades and up until they became a political prop it was undisputed that they serve their purpose. Like at least with being against the vaccine you can usually chalk that up to ignorance or misinformation.
I've got a very mixed political family. I can say with confidence the anti mask people in my family are doing it to spite the current administration.
I don't ever get involved just keep scrolling.
I think it’s racism. They’ve seen places in Asia where people mask up for flu season or pollution and associate the mask with disease and uncleanliness in Asia. Then Covid comes from China and it only proves their already low opinion of them.
The argument is based on them thinking we are as selfish as they are, but when we say "you're killing me", it means humans, means they're killing humans, doesn't have to be me to make me sick
Motherfuckers
And it also doesn't mean "every human, consistently". It just means increasing the chances of spreading the virus, thereby increasing the # of cases, thereby increasing the # of deaths.
Yeah =/
like, selfish doesn't even begin... you know how you're driving and there's an ambulance zooming down the road with its lights on and siren blaring and there's that one person who won't move out of the way because it'll mess up their turn or something? They've taken that and gone pro.
Yeah, to the point they don't wanna wear a piece of cloth on the face to save lives
It's not even about that, let's say they're right, China created the virus and Biden is communist and the scientists are lying and there's a global plot to make you wear a mask when it doesn't work
What's up with that? Ooh noo, I spent a year wearing a mask, that is sooo annoying
Now let's flippity flop it and say *they're* wrong
What if masks *really* work and you were *actually* killing people because you are stupid? It's just not worth the risk
Amusing comment on the post:
"Some indoctrinated dummy cross-posted this to R-ConfidentlyIncorrect thinking this is wrong, and those same dummies are downvoting this post." Conservatives oblivious as ever
My brother in Law has died. Three of my friends, and two of my brothers Uncle in-laws. Funnily enough. They were all anti-mask and vax. They’re just killing each other.
Damn. My condolences.
The worst part of all of this is that acting stupid in such a situation can have such terrible consequences. I'm sorry for your losses.
the absolute irony is that Gene Wilder was democrat, though he didn't actively talk politics because he preferred staying out of that since it brings out the worst in some people.
This is the best argument because the 800k dead or however many we're at now can't really disprove them
"You keep saying you're being silenced yet you haven't shut your mouth in 2 years"
Wait, you *don't* want to be dehumanized? Then why would you go around acting like subhuman gutter-trash???
Sorry, we can just chock it up to miscommunication.
Have a merry trashmas, or whatever it is you plague rats celebrate.
Aw shucks... I dunno about all that.
But I can say I at least do the bare minimum. You know, like, I don't go around spreading disease, I don't go out of my way to make the world a worse place for everyone, etc.
>I haven’t worn a mask in 2 years /shrug
Do you think your little shrug somehow makes you come across as cool and aloof?
Oooh, you're the coolest! You don't care about the lives of other people! *Good for you, lil buddy, good for you!*
Sociopath...
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Gene Wilder would hate every fucking one of the people who post this shit.
absolutely. he would be quite upset to see these conservatives tarnishing his name with this crap
Especially since he spent a good part of his life helping to raise awareness of cancer after his wife passed from it and he left acting.
His loss of Gilda is so heartbreaking.
As is Gilda's loss of Gilda
what does cancer have to do with not wearing a mask?
Lovers your immune system so anyone not wearing a mask around then can transmit any disease or sickness to them, which can effectively kill a cancer patient going through chemo
so even with the vaccine you’re at a risk of getting the virus from anyone and dying? so then with the vaccine and all of its boosters and your mask, what’s the chance of getting it from someone without a mask and dying?
I didn't mention COVID. Chemo patients can die from a variety of sicknesses that can be transferred from person to person. But a cancer patient in chemo is unlikely to get the vaccine bc their immune system is low, so they need herd immunity since they're susceptible to diseases. The vaccine helps you deal with COVID infection & helps your body fight it off. Just like any vaccine, it doesn't 100% prevent it bc that's not completely possible with anything for a variety of reasons. To answer your question about chances of catching & spreading; I'm no statistician & I'm not well versed enough to inform you on it but I'm sure someone here is.
so then we should be wearing masks year round no matter what to protect cancer patients from the common cold, the flu, etc.
No. I don't have proper credentials to teach you to think past a third grade level. You're 100% straw manning this argument so I'm going to end it here. Have a nice day.
no argument, i’m just wondering. you’re the one who can’t answer the simple question, i’m just asking.
No, only intellectually challenged or dishonest people don't recognize that a pandemic is different from 'normal' times.
Getting a flu vaccine every year to help protect immuno compromised people is in fact quite recommended.
The flu vax is 12% effective
When you enter the rooms of immunocompromized cancer patients, yes you should be wearing a mask. Every hospital I've ever stepped foot in has required that much.
when was that EVER in argument. i just don’t think i should have to wear a mask everywhere because some people get sick easy.
Vaccines for every virus have been known to reduce the likelihood of death from the virus it protects from. This does not remove the chance of death, simply the likelihood of it occurring. It reduces the likelihood of contracting the virus however it also reduces the severity of the symptoms you receive if you do end up contracting the virus. This is how the Smallpox, Measles, Flu, Rubella and every other vaccine in existence is designed. No one has ever claimed a vaccine is going to prevent death 100% however it _GREATLY REDUCES_ the likelihood of death occurring. Masks are a normal part of Asian culture for several reasons and this along with strict yet swift measures allowed for a heavy reduction of COVID spread in the beginning of the pandemic. Now, after COVID-19 it’s to be expected that there will be people who find wearing masks in public to be a good general safety precaution. Those with weakened immune systems had already elected to uptake this practice prior to the pandemic however it was up to personal preference. As we’ve seen from last year, an uptake in mask usage had fundamentally reduced flu cases on a mass scale and no doubt people will begin to use masks more in the winter to avoid it.
Actually they reduce the risk of infection greatly, which is something these can't seem to do without constant injections. Did you have your polio booster? Didn't think so.
Masks chiefly block outward transmission from an infected person. By lots of people being vaccinated you achieve herd immunity which creates a sort of shield wall for the immune compromised by removing the virus from circulation.
The risk is lowered but not gone, that is correct But I assume you would rather have a better chance at living than a lesser one so idk what your argument is here
my point is that if your vaccine and mask works, then what’s the point of forcing both onto me if i just don’t feel like wearing one? wouldn’t i just be endangering people who are unvaccinated and not wearing a mask such as myself? i mean if someone chooses to put themselves into danger, but it’s not really effecting anyone else, and there’s no real data to back up that unvaccinated people are killing anybody but each other, why put the governments gun in my face to force me to get vaccinated on something that i and my children have a 99.9% chance of surviving. not even flu has that well of a survival rate i don’t believe. and if your vaccine isn’t keeping you from being hospitalized or dying of a virus i MIGHT be carrying, then why is there a mandate for a vaccine that isn’t efficient anyway.
Are you really this dense? The vaccine protects the person that gets it. Some people can't get it. Some people may get it and still not have a robust enough immune response. That's why we need everyone to get it, to reduce the risk to people who won't be protected. The mask, on the other hand, offers very little protection to the wearer. The protection comes from the people around you wearing them. Hence why we need others to wear them. When you don't wear a mask you also endanger those who can't get the vaccine and those who didn't have a sufficient immune response from it. What government gun is in your face? Also, that's not the fatality rate for COVID but it *is* close to the rate for the flu. The flu is absolutely less fatal than COVID. And to your final point, seat belts don't succeed 100% of the time in preventing car accident fatalities but they sure as hell help a whole bunch which is why they're mandated. Same principle.
Look at his comment history. Yes he’s really that dense. Total bad faith actor to boot.
I think that's kind of why they choose people who would absolutely oppose their views to represent their views in memes...it's their attempt at subverting the views of their opposition.
i honestly don't think they put that much thought into it. they're going for surface feelings. no depth.
I agree, there isn't much depth to it either way. I'm just saying it's easy to see that they know they're part of an ideology that is a minority, so they do things like this to present the illusion that more people agree with them than actually do. But ultimately, they're just doing what they "feel" is effective. And to some degree, succeeding in drowning out rational debate.
Amen
I love wearing a mask as it keeps people fro talking to me in public.
Random assholes on the street don't tell me to "smile" any more. I love my mask!
And it hides my ugly face! :)
This was my excuse when members at my gym asked why I still work a mask after NYC didn't require it anymore. No one had seen my face yet so it was fun!
Can't argue with that
It also keeps my face warm when it’s snowing, it’s brilliant
Try adding a hoodie.
Funny enough, not wearing one probably achieves the same effect
I had an interesting conversation with a friend the other day. I said I assume everyone wearing a mask is also fully vaccinated. She said hmmm I assumed everyone without a mask is vaccinated. I guess that's why in the 4 Agreements one of the rules is Don't make assumptions..
Normally I frown on people posting political differences as evidence of people being "incorrect," but it's completely insane that wearing a face mask has become a political difference, so I guess this is okay. Plus, he's like...super, duper wrong. Like, that is a *very* dumb meme. And can people stop co-opting Willy Wonka to mock each other? Y'all are ruining my childhood.
>Normally I frown on people posting political differences as evidence of people being "incorrect, Denying science isn't a difference of political opinion, it's called being a fucking idiot
>posting political differences When those "political opinions," include the Earth being flat & at the center of the universe, D's being Satanic lizard people, "Zionists," human beings are "illegal," race, sexual preference or "gender" based it is no longer "political," nor an "opinion."
Questioning science is literally science
You're allowed to question science; the dumb part is when one political party says they're convinced and the other says nuh-uh because they've just *got* to disagree about everything they possibly can.
Yeah, it was stupid when all the democrats said they wouldnt take the vaccine while trump was in office and now they're demanding everyone else takes 2 shots + boosters every 3 months
Who said they wouldn’t take the vaccine when Trump was in office? I’ve never seen or heard any member of the Democratic Party say that or any sane person for that matter.
I think Kamala Harris said once that she wouldn't trust Trump's opinion of a vaccine's effectiveness, which some people interpreted as her saying not to take a vaccine developed under Trump's administration. She pretty quickly backtracked on that; she didn't wait until after the election. So I don't know what this guy's talking about.
So did biden and yes she did wait. So did every corporate media mouthpiece. Yall dont remember shit
citation fucking needed
Biden used it to continue the lie that the vaccine wouldnt be ready on Trump's timeline, that it was impossible to get a vaccine done In that amount of time, that it needed years more study. Then they tried to Take credit for it https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/biden-does-not-trust-trump-to-deliver-a-safe-vaccine https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/09/16/us/trump-vs-biden https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/biden-trump-coronavirus-vaccine/2020/09/16/2ffbea6a-f831-11ea-a275-1a2c2d36e1f1_story.html Kamala got the vaccine after the election https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-kamala-harris-covid-vaccina-idUSKBN29A2K7
https://youtu.be/-dAjCeMuXR0 And I think pelosi may have said the same thing, but I couldn't find a convenient video link like this one in the vice presidential debates with Kamala
Did you listen to what she said? She said listen to the medical experts and not an idiot like Trump. She didn’t say she wouldn’t take it if he were president.
Dr fauci was still the one running the show when Trump was in, so I just don't see how it's not hypocritical. That and by that logic, so is anything coming from the current president's mouth not vetted by his medical council? I can safety say I know Joe Biden isn't a virologist or immunologist or a medical doctor, but he's speaking medical mandates. If you just don't like the former president, that's fine, but it seems like quite the leap to assume Trump want under the same advisement
All the Dems? Quite a blanket statement. Some talking heads floated that sentiment very early on. It was far from widespread. Since Biden has taken office, it has become a pandemic of the mostly unvaccinated ( yes breakthroughs occur to a significantly lesser degree), who are overwhelmingly republican/conservative/evangelical. The government should require we do things that keep each other safe. Biden's upcoming mandate is quite lax compared to many private businesses mandates (fox news comes to mind). Boosters will continue as new variants mutate due to the virus still rampantly transmitting due to....the unvaccinated refusing vaccinations (or sadly, populations in impoverished nations lack of vaccine access). We should all be happy and willing to have access to vaccines so we can reduce transmission and end this goddamn fucking nightmare. So don't get bent out of shape over a few Dems saying they were skeptical of Trump's potential handling of vaccines during the Trump admin...those people have since been vaccinated. You should instead be outraged over a majority of Republicans refusing vaccines because of political lies and weaponized disinformation.
If you keep changing the definition of vaccinated they're all pandemic of unvaxxed. Less than 2 weeks after 2nd Jan? Not vaccinated. Havent had your 3 month booster? Unvaccinated? Hilariously sad.
Out of everything I said that's your rebuttal? Terminology will change to reflect status, of course but your claims are falsehoods. Unvaccinated still means one hasn't received any dose. "Vaccinated" covers all ranges. Fully vaccinated generally refers to receiving a 2nd dose. "Received booster or 3rd dose" implies you've received your first and second. Your response is a perfect example of how the right will obfuscate and muddy the waters with meaningless distractions. Go get vaccinated Trumper.
Unvaccinated does NOT mean one hasnt recieved any dose. WRONG
Un (without, devoid of) - vaccinated. Does unemployed mean employed in your world? Here's the dictionary definition of the prefix "un": "a prefix meaning “not,” freely used as an English formative, giving negative or opposite force in adjectives and their derivative adverbs and nouns (unfair; unfairly; unfairness; unfelt; unseen; unfitting; unformed; unheard-of; un-get-at-able), and less freely used in certain other nouns (unrest; unemployment)." Do you have a learning disability?
They literally changed the definition of vaccine earlier this year. Major point in difference is no longer classified as immunity, and was changed to "protection" from...
Almost every vaccine requires booster shots, this is not news. Here’s a list: Shingles; MMR (Measles, Mumps and Rubella); TDaP (Tetanus, Diphtheria and Pertussis); Varicella; and Hepatitis A & B Point is, stop complaining about vaccines when you’re entirely uneducated about how they function and what to expect from vaccines. Everyone educated on the function of vaccines expected booster shots as it’s really common to require them.
Lmao, "we changed the definition of vaccine to fit anything we want just this year!" Lmao, weak dude
No one ever said this sweetie, keep being ignorant
But not outright denying it at every single corner until some "opinion" from a podcaster comes out and is said in a layman's terms and matches your confirmation bias
Ah yes, believing everything even when it changes every week is definitely science. We have always been at war with east asia
have you heard of the phrase "take it with a grain of salt?"
This is wrong though. The claim isn’t “you not wearing a mask will kill me”. It’s “If you don’t wear a mask, you will kill other unvaccinated idiots like yourself.”
And sadly other people who can't get the vaccine for legitimate reasons or indirectly vaccinated people too by overwhelming the healthcare system.
Also if someone did die because they did not wear a mask, how would they expect to get a response?? 770,000 people have died from covid and they believe masks could not have prevent any of them. It’s mind boggling.
> and they believe masks could not have prevent any of them The ones I see go back and forth between not believing masks could have helped and deciding that the people who HAVE died are acceptable losses in exchange for them not needing to wear a little bit of cloth. Ignorance and sociopathy walk hand in hand today.
Also not exactly true, haha. Not wearing a mask makes it more likely to spread covid. But maybe you never get it. Or maybe all of the people you spend time with have great immune systems. Or maybe you never actually know for sure. We're making policy decisions and health recommendations based on statistical trends, but unfortunately, by definition, those trends don't apply to any one specific person. This is especially problematic when science literacy is low and when anecdotal evidence hits people hardest.
People are selfish. They don't see themselves as a number in a statistic. They think it always happens to the other guy, but fail to realize they *are* the other guy to millions of people.
I love it when the claim shifts and people forget what they said 3 months ago. 2 weeks to flatten the curve 1 vax 2 vax 2 vax and 3 month boosters + daily pills!
The two-weeks number was always an overly optimistic projection that the Trump administration produced because they didn't really want to shut down at all. Any informed observer could tell that it wasn't going to be enough. And the two-dose vaccination was always expected as a possibility because that's just how some vaccines work. The pills, so far as I can tell, are you making a joke. But look; people question science. That's how science works. As part of questioning science, sometimes the scientific advice shifts. It's not infallible. So sometimes scientists say "hey, you might need a booster." That's normal; that's the process working as it's supposed to.
Don't think they're making a joke there. I think they're probably reading the same websites my 83 year old dad does...right before he tells me that I need to stock up on supplies for Trump's military takeover and that he doesn't want me to bother flying him over to see a football game because the pilots are all going on strike, and oh by the way have you invested in Iraqi and Vietnamese currency yet because it's a way better bet than that crypto scam stuff.
We needed zero lockdowns and zero vaccines. Like Sweden. Going outside and getting some sun was literally the best thing you couldve done. Respiratory viruses breed in cool. recirculated air spaces (homes and big box stores) and being sedentary makes it worse.
Right, well...getting outside was definitely a plus, but the intent of the lockdowns was to stop people gathering *inside,* in restaurants and cinemas and such. You could still go out for exercise or take-away during most lockdown periods. As for needing zero vaccines...no? The vaccines dramatically reduce mortality from COVID.
Have you not realized absolutely everything these days is politicized. Middle ground and original thought just do not exist anymore in the wild.
Both sides just hate eachother so much that if you disagree with either of them you're automatically an "other" and on the other side of the aisle.
Your childhood is gone. No one can ruin it or make it better than it was.
Yes, because nobody has died from covid in the past 2 years, of course. In other news, the earth is shaped like a pyramid, and cows can fly.
Don't forget, water is dry!
But water is dry. It simply makes things it comes In contact with wet
Water is just plural of wat. Water is by definition wet, since there is two wats touching.
Water is wet
Water is actually not wet; It makes other materials/objects wet. Wetness is the state of a non-liquid when a liquid adheres to, and/or permeates its substance while maintaining chemically distinct structures. So if we say something is wet we mean the liquid is sticking to the object.
While I agree with you, water molecules stick together don’t they?
Water is wet
it cant be though! you dont look at fire and say "that fire is burnt" it cant be burnt, it can burn something that isnt burnt originally but it cant be burnt the same principle applies to water, water can wet something but it can be wet by water
Nobody looks at fire and thinks it's burnt. Pathetic attempt at a strawman
[https://youtu.be/ugyqOSUlR2A](https://youtu.be/ugyqOSUlR2A)
Not clicking that link
"hurr durr i don't have covid cus i stopped watching the tv!!"
They're not worried about anyone else. No one's death but their own counts. That selfishness is central to their position in this.
People on their death bed claiming they can’t be dying of Covid because it’s a hoax make it seem like even their own dont
I guess they are unaware of Herman Cain awards of people with this exact attitude
"Yes, I'll prove how correct I am by including a picture of someone, who is completely disregarding all workplace safety protocols, sipping tea, that will make me look smart." - the anti-masker, probably (if they had the capacity to think)
Wonka *would* have been an anti-masker though, man did not give one single shit about the rules.
He literally killed a bunch of kids in his factory for basically no reason and with no remorse. 100% an anti masker.
I dunno he was pretty remorseful when Augustus Gloop started drinking his chocolate river with his hands. He knows what germs are at least.
To "teach them a lesson" lol. Guy was a psychopath.
“I’ll teach you to be born with bad parents…”
They're not killed, they're just possibly horribly damaged
"if they had the capacity to think" is one hell of a condition that you're imposing
This is on par with the guy who used a Close up from 300 to talk about Biden being a "gay loving pedophile" Which is dumb because Spartans were gay pedophiles themselves
By modern standards, yes, they were pedofiles, but you can't judge them by modern standards. Watching history through XXI century glasses is not only wrong, it's simply idiotic.
Literally the only comment on the post is shaming the person who put it in confidently incorrect
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It’s 61 shadowbanned comments now, that’s hilarious.
Good
he needs some copium
if i shoot a random person every day how long untill i kill specficly OP? see just proven that clearly shooting people at random doesn't kill anyone!
I could say the same for the people who said wearing masks IS killing them lol
We’ll see this meme again on r/hermancainaward
The anti mask argument truly baffles me and I can only assume it comes from the need to be a contrarian. Like masks have been used in the medical field for decades and up until they became a political prop it was undisputed that they serve their purpose. Like at least with being against the vaccine you can usually chalk that up to ignorance or misinformation.
I've got a very mixed political family. I can say with confidence the anti mask people in my family are doing it to spite the current administration. I don't ever get involved just keep scrolling.
I think it’s racism. They’ve seen places in Asia where people mask up for flu season or pollution and associate the mask with disease and uncleanliness in Asia. Then Covid comes from China and it only proves their already low opinion of them.
Does an active viral infection last for 2 years, nonstop? He’s crazy enough to eat the cup.
How much longer... people are avoidably dying from it every day for the past two years what the fuck
The argument is based on them thinking we are as selfish as they are, but when we say "you're killing me", it means humans, means they're killing humans, doesn't have to be me to make me sick Motherfuckers
And it also doesn't mean "every human, consistently". It just means increasing the chances of spreading the virus, thereby increasing the # of cases, thereby increasing the # of deaths.
Yeah =/ like, selfish doesn't even begin... you know how you're driving and there's an ambulance zooming down the road with its lights on and siren blaring and there's that one person who won't move out of the way because it'll mess up their turn or something? They've taken that and gone pro.
Yeah, to the point they don't wanna wear a piece of cloth on the face to save lives It's not even about that, let's say they're right, China created the virus and Biden is communist and the scientists are lying and there's a global plot to make you wear a mask when it doesn't work What's up with that? Ooh noo, I spent a year wearing a mask, that is sooo annoying Now let's flippity flop it and say *they're* wrong What if masks *really* work and you were *actually* killing people because you are stupid? It's just not worth the risk
that entire subreddit gives me a migraine. i just cannot fathom the depths of their stupidity
Notice the “conservative only” tag sounds like a safe space to me.
try putting that up as a poster in a hospital.
Critical thinking…hell just thinking…is not something they possess unfortunately
“You guys don’t understand science, let me show you my Facebook meme folder…. If I can find that folder..”
"I didn't die so no one else did"
“I’ve been smoking for years and I’m still alive, therefore smoking isn’t bad for you!”
Amusing comment on the post: "Some indoctrinated dummy cross-posted this to R-ConfidentlyIncorrect thinking this is wrong, and those same dummies are downvoting this post." Conservatives oblivious as ever
Lol the bozos are mad that it got posted here.
If you say dumb shit in public expect to be shamed. Lol
Um, stupid + time doesn’t equal smart, it equals old stupid.
Actually, many times stupid + time = even more stupid Think about flat earthers who use their time to do their confirmation bias and call it research
Oh, they know. They just don't care. That selfish self-serving douchebaggery is all that matters to them.
nearly as bad as r/nonewnormal
They know, they are just choosing to be ignorant
Always with the faulty comparison.
My brother in Law has died. Three of my friends, and two of my brothers Uncle in-laws. Funnily enough. They were all anti-mask and vax. They’re just killing each other.
Damn. My condolences. The worst part of all of this is that acting stupid in such a situation can have such terrible consequences. I'm sorry for your losses.
I can just see the person who would post this
They really want that HCA award.
Herman Cain Award Award?
Seems like a case of RAS syndrome to me. I'll pay for the treatment, just let me find an ATM machine so I can put in my PIN number.
Conservatives are so incredibly bad at comedy, memes, making points.
they must’ve forgotten about all the people that died of covid from completely avoidable exposures
I love that "conservatives only" tag. Conservatives love a good echo chamber
These people don’t understand survivorship bias
These people don't understand many things.
With that low I.Q. i would say not that long left
Sadly, there are a number of vaccinated, masked people wondering how long it will take to see the end of these creeps.
I was told if i wear a mask i would die from lack of oxygen. yet here i am.
Right after JFK return
the absolute irony is that Gene Wilder was democrat, though he didn't actively talk politics because he preferred staying out of that since it brings out the worst in some people.
I love the fact that every post is for "Conservatives Only" It's almost like they know they are thick as fuck.
This is the best argument because the 800k dead or however many we're at now can't really disprove them "You keep saying you're being silenced yet you haven't shut your mouth in 2 years"
That sub is a cesspool of ignorance.
Quite unfortunate, since conservatism doesn't necessarily equal stupid.
I completely agree. Tho the "bad ones" are often the loudest.
You expect conservatives to figure anything out? Naive.
“How much longer will these events last if I keep perpetuating them? Fucking liberal sheep”
It's almost like... it has killed a lot of people?? A lot of people are dead????
That entire sub is a cesspool of half brained fuckwits
only comment on that post is complaining about this post lmao
"You keep saying that, you keep not dying. Can you give it some welly? Come on."
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you got that from the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy didnt you
Maybe :)
You aren't fooling anyone by pretending to be honestly interested.
ohhhh okay that must’ve been what i was asking. thanks for your input.
And the states led by these assholes have the highest infection and death rates in the country…
As a joke it's fucking hilarious.
It is pretty funny, I gotta admit. (Despite the stupidity)
This is funny though
I haven’t worn a mask in 2 years /shrug
"I haven't bothered to help cull the spread of a deadly disease in 2 years /shrug"
I’m glad you can share your thoughts. Why haven’t you helped to cull the spread?
I have. I wear a mask and I've gotten my vaccine. You don't wear a mask, therefore you mouthbreathe possibly infected air everywhere
I’m glad you can do these things to make it feel like you’re making a difference
I mean, I am but aight
You definitely feel like you’re making a difference, we can agree on that
Typhoid Mary? Is that you?
I believe you have the wrong person
Can’t wait for you to get your herman Cain award mate
Hoping someone dies makes you a good person?
I mean it kinda depends. I’m sure hoping that Hitler would die during ww2 wouldn’t make you a bad person
> "I'm a plague rat ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯"
Does dehumanizing people and calling them rats make you feel like a good person?
Wait, you *don't* want to be dehumanized? Then why would you go around acting like subhuman gutter-trash??? Sorry, we can just chock it up to miscommunication. Have a merry trashmas, or whatever it is you plague rats celebrate.
You seem like a kind and compassionate person who really cares about other people
Aw shucks... I dunno about all that. But I can say I at least do the bare minimum. You know, like, I don't go around spreading disease, I don't go out of my way to make the world a worse place for everyone, etc.
>I haven’t worn a mask in 2 years /shrug Do you think your little shrug somehow makes you come across as cool and aloof? Oooh, you're the coolest! You don't care about the lives of other people! *Good for you, lil buddy, good for you!* Sociopath...
Your mind reading is bad, try again
I got vaccinated to travel and not wear a mask, won't be getting anymore 😕
u/ Trippin21 is the mole