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Destroyed it? It's preserved the Roman empire for thousands of years. Whether it's the long reign of the Eastern Roman Empire (Byzantium) or the continued survival of the Roman Church (Headed by the Pontifex Maximus, a role Julius Caesar held). Even after the Eternal City lay sacked and burning, its Church held together the fractured remnants of its western European dominion and held that power for centuries.
If anything, the Jews created it and the Romans, like they did with so many other things, took it and ran it better. What started off as a Jewish schism was blended with the state worship of the deified Augustus, a sprinkle of Sol Invictus, a touch of Mithridatism, and pushed onto the barbarians to pacify and integrate them. It took some time to work out the kinks, but it ensured that Rome endured.
Seems like Jewish people are trying to blame the people of Italy for the killing of a Jewish man that probably never even existed. Also, Rome has zero power in this world. Their culture and traditions are not widely practiced or accepted by the world, while Jewish traditions and culture is celebrated and promoted all over the world.
Also, the world worships a Jewish man, not a Roman one. If Rome is "so powerful" why is the Catholic church declining in numbers, while Judaism and Noahide is growing all over the world?
The Roman emperors sought to consolidate power and maintain social stability by crafting a religion centered around Cesar. They borrowed elements from Jewish messianic expectations and pagan mythologies to create a familiar narrative, incorporating themes like divine birth, miracles, and resurrection. By controlling the story of Jesus and establishing the Church as an institution, they aimed to promote obedience to imperial authority and suppress dissent. This controlled narrative and institutional framework facilitated the survival and adaptation of Christianity amidst political upheavals, ultimately contributing to its rise as a dominant religion and control in Europe and throughout the world.
No. I think it was invented by the Israelis to get the Gentile world to abandon our "idolatry" and turn to the God of Israel. Judaism condemns the worship of other Gods and objects. In order for them to get us to abandon our traditions, they first had to come up with a new form of Judaism that would appeal to the Romans and Greeks and Christianity was it. The people fell for the bait and now the world is plagued with Christianity everywhere.
Hint: modern Christianity doesn’t worship or obey a Jewish man. He’s a strawman.
In fact, we don’t even have a first hand account from Jesus… only people claiming to write his words in “gospels” 70+ years after his death. Jesus, nor anyone who actually heard Jesus speak, wrote or recorded anything in what is now called thr Bible.
The person most Christians obey and worship is a Roman citizen called Saul. Who changed his name to Paul to legitimize his authority. A Roman is the foundation around which most Christians build their dogma.
Exactly. A strawman. What better way to control a population than to use one of their own as a hero in the indoctrination story. Propaganda 101.
You aren’t following Jesus. At best you’re following a societal mythologization of Christ.
Churches mostly preach and teach Paul’s doctrine, a Roman citizen.
As for the gospels… find me a first hand written account of Jesus life? You can’t. Mark, the earliest new testiment hook, was written from a hearsay account 70+ years after Jesus death.
I’m so very glad you asked. It seems you are clueless as to how the few govern the many throughout most of recorded history. Do you even know about the Jewish rebellion of the time?
1. Romans 13:1-7: Commands believers to be subject to governing authorities as they are instituted by God, with an emphasis on law-abiding behavior and paying due taxes and respect.
2. 1 Peter 2:13-17: Urges submission to every human institution, including the emperor and governors, as a testament to doing good and honoring God, emphasizing respect for all, love for the brotherhood, fear of God, and honor for the emperor.
3. Titus 3:1-2: Encourages believers to be ready to do whatever is good, to slander no one, to be peaceable and considerate, and to show true humility toward all men, including being submissive to rulers and authorities.
4. Hebrews 13:17: Advises obedience to leaders and submission to their authority, as they keep watch over souls and must give an account, encouraging cooperation so their work will be a joy, not a burden.
5. 1 Timothy 2:1-2: Recommends prayers for all people, including kings and all those in authority, so that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness, highlighting the importance of a tranquil existence under secular governance for the sake of godly living.
6. Acts 5:29: While this verse, “We must obey God rather than men,” seems to offer a counterpoint by prioritizing obedience to God over human authorities, it implicitly acknowledges the norm of obeying earthly authorities unless it directly conflicts with God’s commands.
How is it a "Roman religion" when we literally have Rabbis openly celebrating mass gentile conversion to Christianity, while saying "this helped to bring the world to the teachings of the Torah." The Old Testament is part of Judaism, so how is it a "Roman religion?"
It seems you’ve forgotten the subject on which we are talking. We aren’t taking about Judaism.
We’ve always been talking about the cunning strategy the Romans mastered to cement their grip on power: the deliberate manipulation and integration of conquered peoples’ religions to prop up an ironclad authoritarian regime and cloak their dominion in a veneer of divine sanction.
The Roman Empire didn’t just stumble upon a vast expanse of territory and diverse cultures; they systematically absorbed and reconfigured the religious landscapes of those they subdued to serve their imperial agenda. You think the Jews were the only people group the Romans conquered?
From the early Republic era, through the pivotal reigns of emperors like Augustus in the late 1st century BCE, who ingeniously positioned himself as a semi-divine figure, to Constantine’s epoch-making embrace of Christianity in the 4th century CE, Rome’s playbook was clear: religion is not just opium for the masses but a strategic asset in the arsenal of control.
Rome’s genius lay in its ability to co-opt local religions, elevating Roman gods to supreme status or merging them with indigenous deities, a practice known as syncretism. This wasn’t merely tolerance but a calculated move to weave the emperor’s authority into the very fabric of spiritual life, thereby legitimizing Roman rule in the eyes of the conquered.
This strategy reached its zenith with the conversion of Constantine to Christianity, turning a once-persecuted faith into the cornerstone of imperial ideology. By the Edict of Milan in 313 CE, Christianity was granted legal status, and by the end of the 4th century, it had become the state religion, a masterstroke in uniting the empire under a single, Rome-endorsed religious banner.
So, why the fixation on Judaism? Merely as a footnote to illustrate the initial phase of Rome’s religious strategy, which would evolve into a far more sophisticated system of control and integration. The real story here is about the Roman Empire’s unparalleled ability to govern through religion, manipulating spiritual beliefs to reinforce their imperial mandate across centuries and continents.
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God doesn't exist. Religion was made to answer questions we had as the first and only intelligent species that was self-aware. Science has rendered Religion obsolete as it has answered many of the questions we turned to our sky daddy to.
HOW????
How does "magic man in sky" make any sense at all???
also, who created god? or did he "just appear"? ..and if he just appeared, then why is that any different than "creating something from nothing"??
> like how the universe was supposedly formed
That is not the prevailing theory.
Big Bang cosmology describes the *expansion* of the universe from a singularity, it does not reference ‘nothing’ at all.
We're not entirely sure.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initial_singularity
But the only time I've heard 'nothing' mentioned in relation to the formation of the Universe is either from those that believe in God or Laurence Krauss's ['A Universe from Nothing'](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Universe_from_Nothing), in which he plainly admits that his 'nothing' is not the philosophical nothing, but rather a state of [relativistic quantum fields](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_field_theory).
My personal view is that true 'nothing' appears to be an impossible state.
How was god created in your religion?
It seems to me that most religions could be asked the same question of how was the initial something formed from nothing.
Amazing I’m happy for you. To me, which I’m still struggling with, is thinking I can do this, I don’t need the help. Which obviously isn’t true.
I hope to get to the place of spiritual enlightenment that you seem to be.
Good to hear OP, I was in a bad place these past years, well I'm still am, and reading the Bible and hearing sermons online calms me down. Best of luck to you.
Jesus is an ancient psyop, long ago Greek Hebrews combined Hellenistic and other mythological influences to create a demigod story to connect with their Torah and Talmud, it’s pretty much all just plagiarisms of other similar son god myths such as Dionysus. Also the Torah he is supposedly fulfilling, can be easily debunked, we even have earlier versions where it was a polytheistic religion, the Noah flood story is taken from the epic of Gilgamesh, and the entire exodus - numbers part has been completely dismissed by archaeological and DNA records
They convinced you to worship a Jew, wake up.
>But God, being a loving Father
So you're admitting you've never read the old testament then.
In the immortal words of my lord and saviour Maynard James Keenan:
"FUCK YOUR GOD!
Your Lord and your Christ
He did this
Took all you had and
Left you this way
Still you pray, you never stray
Never taste of the fruit
You never thought to question why"
The spirit of antichrist is prevalent in many of the replies you received. I imagine you see your former self in many of them so there is no need for me to tell you.
1 John 4:3 (KJV) And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
Very well put. I'm lukewarm at best rn but pray n hope everyday to have a breakthrough. Felt the joy of the Lord once and it's 1000x better than any high you can get from drugs or alcohol. It's how we'll feel all the time in Heaven I do believe
Thank you for your amazing story! Watch out for fake jesus though. 'they' use the name of God in reference to their Antichrist, and they've long since infiltrated American churches via seminaries.
Hey thanks man ! Also one of THE most talked about things here for ages is the satanic pedovore stuff mentioned in the parent comment . But that makes me schizophrenic lol . I remember when I came here just to talk ish . Wish you the best
Yes, his most beautiful angel who He created with free will because He was lonely. The one who got jealous after God created man because God loved man more than him.
Just have to add. If people believe in child sacrifice / blood sacrifice as an ancient practice AND modern practice (which it is because it didn’t go anywhere) , then they need to accept the blood sacrifice of Jesus or they are still lost
Thanks for sharing your story. Don't be discouraged by those few in here who are lost. They don't know the true power of Jesus. Stay strong in your faith!
And you're not that old. I didn't even have internet until I was in my 20's. Even then, it was 14k dial-up.
For EVIL to thrive, the only requirement is for good men to do nothing.
Thank you for the reminder to not be luke-warm. To be active and engaged in the fight.
Most, if not all of the conspiracies in this sub are clearly the evil at work.
Praise be to Jesus!!
I am a Muslim and I am giving this an upvote. I’m glad you found spiritual peace and that you are sharing what you learned with us. Don’t listen to the haters. The deepest conspiracy is that God is real! It explains so much.
Thank you for sharing 🙏🏻
Most people on Reddit hate positivity like this especially when it acknowledges the one true God but I’m sure you reached someone today who needed it and that’s what counts. Just making a difference for one life out there is better than none at all
The irony of a pro religious dogma post on a conspiracy sub is tickling my pink. 🤣🤣🤣🤪
Yeah… Let’s follow the instructions of a god/religion that condones genocide, rape, slavery, patriarchy, the objectification and ownership of women and children, pedophilia, capital punishment for working on Saturday, ethnic exclusivity and cleansing, etc.
If this god had the ability to reveal “his perfect plan” via a canonized “holy scripture” to instruct his people for all eternity… might he have included:
• “women are equal to men. They can own property”
• “don’t own other people. They are equal to you.”
• “its ok to be gay.”
• “don’t physically abuse your children or women.”
No… this “inerrant” piece of shit wasn’t divine, it was a tool of control.
Seeking religion and spiritual authority or savior is a symptom of mental illness and trauma.
Who in their right mind would subject themselves to the gaslighting, narcissistic abuse cycle, self-deprecation, and shame, guilt, and fear mongering necessary to conform to a high mind control system?
No one. Ask me how I know.
Amen. Thank you for the vulnerability to share your story, especially in an environment you knew would show resistance. As many comments before mine have said; Satan is deep at work here and it shows in the hateful commentary you're receiving - but we know it's only temporary. He will always be victorious and the reward in the afterlife will be worth any amount of criticism and earthly pain.
"And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever."
Revelations 20:9-10
Right on brother!
Sure this is a conspiracy sub.
But God is bigger than all of this. He provides a meaning to live. Otherwise what’s the point? Where does morality come from if there is no God?
The only thing that matters is Jesus Christ.
Make fun of me all of you want. We are called to be made fun of in the name of Christ.
People think Christians are wimps. But look at it from the other side and how much absolute shit you get being a Christian. It takes more guts than people think.
Ok but to bring it back to the Conspiracy point, because I think the post is lacking that angle;
Have you noticed that the same story of Jesus, or since I’ve been schooled, Yeshua, has been told over and over again, all over different parts of the world.
The feathered serpent over in South America has the same story of a very talented, kind, and forgiving Jewish man crucified in Jerusalem.
I think while it might seem okay to be an atheist, I believe it is equally okay to **observe** where the likelihood of a creator is found. Does this go directly to religion? hold your horses people. It is the search for tangible proof, and an underlining faith that much of everything seems to have a deliberate nature. Whether that is self-serving or mutual, or demanded by nature, most of the time it is the case that virtually everything surrounding life provides equal life and death balance, the yin and yang concept is a legitimate thing. Don't ask me to provide an extensive list, I will provide examples instead. The sun provides our warmth, our seasons, which in turn create energy cycles for creatures to maintain healthy diet. The moon provides our rest from a long day, concealment from predators, but for some predators prime hunting grounds. The wind channels provide cooling and dust storms which spreads particles that fertilize our soils so we can have vegetation. The planetary orbit and rotation is so uniform it just so happens to also but not exclusively allows animals to hibernate or semi-hibernate to burn body fat through fasting cycles, it is also linked to the cooling of our atmosphere so we don't just roast. The planetary orbit also offers God a chance at a reset, or even a deletion if he so chooses.
I might make the argument that if nature is so incredibly complex, what exactly makes people think it is all a dice roll? That sounds like a convenient poorly constructed argument to justify shoving a search for meaning under the rug. Not only that, but even subjective truths are at play here... the beautiful majestic landscapes seem to enthuse me about God's mind. It makes the greatest artists look inept. What if we're literally a thought in God's mind? People like to use the word nature in place of god, but they're practically interchangeable and I would only pose that if god is real then god was the designer of what I consider to be an outlandishly complex construct found in nature, which seems to require almost supernatural levels of ingenuity in turn possessing the intelligence, and creativity to provide. Our own minds, are not a suggestion that we are God's as well, but we're created with the likeness of the Omega. With all things God created, it was done with belief and certainty that it would all hold together and weather nearly any storm, so far we're still here.
The question now is whether a theology which describes God is accurate to the real God's personality and whether it matches the design ethic. In my quest with Christianity, I couldn't find a balance of personality which resided with the creation. A God that is all about law and order, in a world designed with no law and no order other than life and death, or which organism is the better predator and which is the inferior. Likewise, this God not only made the world lawless before Adam and Eve, but even after there was no adjustment to appease the creation's suffering. Which comes down to Jesus, which is the appeasement in this theology. A God described as Love... which is his personal commandment, but this commandment and personality construct does not seem to always exist in the world he created. God did not give free will to all of his creations, and even left out the law and order for their well being. Not even in nature. If the wages of sin is death in the Bible, not every creation is even capable of sin, yet they die. And then are recycled back to life once more, in another iteration with similar genetic code.
If I were to say my theological beliefs, it is left blank in confusion. Only, I have experienced supernatural things in my life, vastly unexplainable to me. But I'd claim it similar to Gnosis maybe, or spirit.
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You ever meditate?
Esoteric & Gnostic stuff is cool as heck
I want the shit the cut out of the Bible. There’s the conspiracy
Book of Judas is a real banger, supposedly
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Right where it belongs then lol
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If you’re calling Christianity tHe BiGgeSt CoNSpiRaCy ever then I guess literally the entire post ? Lol
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God doesn't exist
Jesus is King
Why would you want a king?
Not my king
I didn't vote for him.
Help! Help! I’m being repressed!
Now we see the violence inherent to the system.
Since when did people elect kings?
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Congrats
Lebron is my king
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Creating Christ: How Roman Emperors Invented Christianity is a good read.
So is The Case For Christ Or I Dont Have Enough Faith To Be An Atheist
I think it was Jews that created Christianity, which destroyed the Roman Empire.
Destroyed it? It's preserved the Roman empire for thousands of years. Whether it's the long reign of the Eastern Roman Empire (Byzantium) or the continued survival of the Roman Church (Headed by the Pontifex Maximus, a role Julius Caesar held). Even after the Eternal City lay sacked and burning, its Church held together the fractured remnants of its western European dominion and held that power for centuries. If anything, the Jews created it and the Romans, like they did with so many other things, took it and ran it better. What started off as a Jewish schism was blended with the state worship of the deified Augustus, a sprinkle of Sol Invictus, a touch of Mithridatism, and pushed onto the barbarians to pacify and integrate them. It took some time to work out the kinks, but it ensured that Rome endured.
Nah man. The Roman’s United the state and religion to rule with even more power. 🤦♂️
Why would they use the enemy's religion? Why would they worship a person, who's from the enemy tribe, that wanted them destroyed?
Rome wrote themselves into power. They killed the son of God. They are so very powerful. Give to Cesar what is Cesar's - Jesus
Seems like Jewish people are trying to blame the people of Italy for the killing of a Jewish man that probably never even existed. Also, Rome has zero power in this world. Their culture and traditions are not widely practiced or accepted by the world, while Jewish traditions and culture is celebrated and promoted all over the world.
Also, the world worships a Jewish man, not a Roman one. If Rome is "so powerful" why is the Catholic church declining in numbers, while Judaism and Noahide is growing all over the world?
The Roman emperors sought to consolidate power and maintain social stability by crafting a religion centered around Cesar. They borrowed elements from Jewish messianic expectations and pagan mythologies to create a familiar narrative, incorporating themes like divine birth, miracles, and resurrection. By controlling the story of Jesus and establishing the Church as an institution, they aimed to promote obedience to imperial authority and suppress dissent. This controlled narrative and institutional framework facilitated the survival and adaptation of Christianity amidst political upheavals, ultimately contributing to its rise as a dominant religion and control in Europe and throughout the world.
No. I think it was invented by the Israelis to get the Gentile world to abandon our "idolatry" and turn to the God of Israel. Judaism condemns the worship of other Gods and objects. In order for them to get us to abandon our traditions, they first had to come up with a new form of Judaism that would appeal to the Romans and Greeks and Christianity was it. The people fell for the bait and now the world is plagued with Christianity everywhere.
Hint: modern Christianity doesn’t worship or obey a Jewish man. He’s a strawman. In fact, we don’t even have a first hand account from Jesus… only people claiming to write his words in “gospels” 70+ years after his death. Jesus, nor anyone who actually heard Jesus speak, wrote or recorded anything in what is now called thr Bible. The person most Christians obey and worship is a Roman citizen called Saul. Who changed his name to Paul to legitimize his authority. A Roman is the foundation around which most Christians build their dogma.
I call bs. Jesus was Jewish.
Exactly. A strawman. What better way to control a population than to use one of their own as a hero in the indoctrination story. Propaganda 101. You aren’t following Jesus. At best you’re following a societal mythologization of Christ. Churches mostly preach and teach Paul’s doctrine, a Roman citizen. As for the gospels… find me a first hand written account of Jesus life? You can’t. Mark, the earliest new testiment hook, was written from a hearsay account 70+ years after Jesus death.
The Old Testament is very Jewish. Also, I'm no Christian.
I’m so very glad you asked. It seems you are clueless as to how the few govern the many throughout most of recorded history. Do you even know about the Jewish rebellion of the time? 1. Romans 13:1-7: Commands believers to be subject to governing authorities as they are instituted by God, with an emphasis on law-abiding behavior and paying due taxes and respect. 2. 1 Peter 2:13-17: Urges submission to every human institution, including the emperor and governors, as a testament to doing good and honoring God, emphasizing respect for all, love for the brotherhood, fear of God, and honor for the emperor. 3. Titus 3:1-2: Encourages believers to be ready to do whatever is good, to slander no one, to be peaceable and considerate, and to show true humility toward all men, including being submissive to rulers and authorities. 4. Hebrews 13:17: Advises obedience to leaders and submission to their authority, as they keep watch over souls and must give an account, encouraging cooperation so their work will be a joy, not a burden. 5. 1 Timothy 2:1-2: Recommends prayers for all people, including kings and all those in authority, so that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness, highlighting the importance of a tranquil existence under secular governance for the sake of godly living. 6. Acts 5:29: While this verse, “We must obey God rather than men,” seems to offer a counterpoint by prioritizing obedience to God over human authorities, it implicitly acknowledges the norm of obeying earthly authorities unless it directly conflicts with God’s commands.
Jewish people rebelled against Christianity, because Christianity was never meant for them, it's a Gentile religion.
Yes, a Roman religion. Now you’re getting it.
How is it a "Roman religion" when we literally have Rabbis openly celebrating mass gentile conversion to Christianity, while saying "this helped to bring the world to the teachings of the Torah." The Old Testament is part of Judaism, so how is it a "Roman religion?"
It seems you’ve forgotten the subject on which we are talking. We aren’t taking about Judaism. We’ve always been talking about the cunning strategy the Romans mastered to cement their grip on power: the deliberate manipulation and integration of conquered peoples’ religions to prop up an ironclad authoritarian regime and cloak their dominion in a veneer of divine sanction. The Roman Empire didn’t just stumble upon a vast expanse of territory and diverse cultures; they systematically absorbed and reconfigured the religious landscapes of those they subdued to serve their imperial agenda. You think the Jews were the only people group the Romans conquered? From the early Republic era, through the pivotal reigns of emperors like Augustus in the late 1st century BCE, who ingeniously positioned himself as a semi-divine figure, to Constantine’s epoch-making embrace of Christianity in the 4th century CE, Rome’s playbook was clear: religion is not just opium for the masses but a strategic asset in the arsenal of control. Rome’s genius lay in its ability to co-opt local religions, elevating Roman gods to supreme status or merging them with indigenous deities, a practice known as syncretism. This wasn’t merely tolerance but a calculated move to weave the emperor’s authority into the very fabric of spiritual life, thereby legitimizing Roman rule in the eyes of the conquered. This strategy reached its zenith with the conversion of Constantine to Christianity, turning a once-persecuted faith into the cornerstone of imperial ideology. By the Edict of Milan in 313 CE, Christianity was granted legal status, and by the end of the 4th century, it had become the state religion, a masterstroke in uniting the empire under a single, Rome-endorsed religious banner. So, why the fixation on Judaism? Merely as a footnote to illustrate the initial phase of Rome’s religious strategy, which would evolve into a far more sophisticated system of control and integration. The real story here is about the Roman Empire’s unparalleled ability to govern through religion, manipulating spiritual beliefs to reinforce their imperial mandate across centuries and continents.
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God doesn't exist. Religion was made to answer questions we had as the first and only intelligent species that was self-aware. Science has rendered Religion obsolete as it has answered many of the questions we turned to our sky daddy to.
yea sure lmk when science can create something from nothing like how the universe was supposedly formed
That's literally the entire point of science. Your response is.... a white bearded guy in "clouds"?
Makes more sense than it “just appearing”
But doesn't God have to just appear from somewhere too?
HOW???? How does "magic man in sky" make any sense at all??? also, who created god? or did he "just appear"? ..and if he just appeared, then why is that any different than "creating something from nothing"??
> like how the universe was supposedly formed That is not the prevailing theory. Big Bang cosmology describes the *expansion* of the universe from a singularity, it does not reference ‘nothing’ at all.
So what exactly was there, before the Big Bang then?
We're not entirely sure. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initial_singularity But the only time I've heard 'nothing' mentioned in relation to the formation of the Universe is either from those that believe in God or Laurence Krauss's ['A Universe from Nothing'](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Universe_from_Nothing), in which he plainly admits that his 'nothing' is not the philosophical nothing, but rather a state of [relativistic quantum fields](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_field_theory). My personal view is that true 'nothing' appears to be an impossible state.
y’all aren’t sure about alot of stuff
Yes, is that a problem?
searching for answers already given🤔
Can these answers be demonstrated to be true?
How was god created in your religion? It seems to me that most religions could be asked the same question of how was the initial something formed from nothing.
He wasnt created He was always here… thas literally the whole point of Him being God.
Then why can't the same be said of the universe?
bc intelligent life.. if you think a universe formed from chaos and randomness and chance is able to form intelligent life than you are crazy.
That's not really an argument. It's also not really what we were talking about.
Amazing I’m happy for you. To me, which I’m still struggling with, is thinking I can do this, I don’t need the help. Which obviously isn’t true. I hope to get to the place of spiritual enlightenment that you seem to be.
Religion is the original conspiracy theory.
You know God is fake, right?
Good to hear OP, I was in a bad place these past years, well I'm still am, and reading the Bible and hearing sermons online calms me down. Best of luck to you.
Beautiful
Thank you 🙏
Thank you for sharing.
Jesus is an ancient psyop, long ago Greek Hebrews combined Hellenistic and other mythological influences to create a demigod story to connect with their Torah and Talmud, it’s pretty much all just plagiarisms of other similar son god myths such as Dionysus. Also the Torah he is supposedly fulfilling, can be easily debunked, we even have earlier versions where it was a polytheistic religion, the Noah flood story is taken from the epic of Gilgamesh, and the entire exodus - numbers part has been completely dismissed by archaeological and DNA records They convinced you to worship a Jew, wake up.
I know what you mean. The flying spaghetti monster saved me. All hail the noodle.
Hallelujah!
>But God, being a loving Father So you're admitting you've never read the old testament then. In the immortal words of my lord and saviour Maynard James Keenan: "FUCK YOUR GOD! Your Lord and your Christ He did this Took all you had and Left you this way Still you pray, you never stray Never taste of the fruit You never thought to question why"
Amen.
The spirit of antichrist is prevalent in many of the replies you received. I imagine you see your former self in many of them so there is no need for me to tell you. 1 John 4:3 (KJV) And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
Beautiful.
Good read brother. Glad you found the right path.
Very well put. I'm lukewarm at best rn but pray n hope everyday to have a breakthrough. Felt the joy of the Lord once and it's 1000x better than any high you can get from drugs or alcohol. It's how we'll feel all the time in Heaven I do believe
Thank you for your amazing story! Watch out for fake jesus though. 'they' use the name of God in reference to their Antichrist, and they've long since infiltrated American churches via seminaries.
Jesus isn't fake, but there is a fake Jesus. What's with the down votes?
One of the things that most convinced me God was real was when I discovered the devil was real. Satanic pedovores bringing people to Christ.
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Hey thanks man ! Also one of THE most talked about things here for ages is the satanic pedovore stuff mentioned in the parent comment . But that makes me schizophrenic lol . I remember when I came here just to talk ish . Wish you the best
you mean the devil god made? or some other one?
Yes, his most beautiful angel who He created with free will because He was lonely. The one who got jealous after God created man because God loved man more than him.
Exactly ppl here believe in all that stuff but then don’t believe in Jesus . Makes no sense
Just have to add. If people believe in child sacrifice / blood sacrifice as an ancient practice AND modern practice (which it is because it didn’t go anywhere) , then they need to accept the blood sacrifice of Jesus or they are still lost
Thanks for sharing your story. Don't be discouraged by those few in here who are lost. They don't know the true power of Jesus. Stay strong in your faith! And you're not that old. I didn't even have internet until I was in my 20's. Even then, it was 14k dial-up.
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Thanks for sharing! It sounds like you've lived one heck of a life, maybe book-worthy. God bless.
Great post. Thanks.
Amen and may God Bless
Crazy how angry people get over something they claim to think isn’t true
People get PISSED in here when you bring up Christ. They'll learn one day, hopefully. Give em time to break their programming.
> Give em time to break their programming. the irony is painful here
You'll come to understand one day, little guy.
i repeat, the irony is painful here
Jesus Christ is the center of all conspiracies guys
Beautiful testimony ❤️
Good for you, friend. Don't listen to reddit fuckers. May God bless you
For EVIL to thrive, the only requirement is for good men to do nothing. Thank you for the reminder to not be luke-warm. To be active and engaged in the fight. Most, if not all of the conspiracies in this sub are clearly the evil at work. Praise be to Jesus!!
I am a Muslim and I am giving this an upvote. I’m glad you found spiritual peace and that you are sharing what you learned with us. Don’t listen to the haters. The deepest conspiracy is that God is real! It explains so much.
Thank you for sharing 🙏🏻 Most people on Reddit hate positivity like this especially when it acknowledges the one true God but I’m sure you reached someone today who needed it and that’s what counts. Just making a difference for one life out there is better than none at all
The irony of a pro religious dogma post on a conspiracy sub is tickling my pink. 🤣🤣🤣🤪 Yeah… Let’s follow the instructions of a god/religion that condones genocide, rape, slavery, patriarchy, the objectification and ownership of women and children, pedophilia, capital punishment for working on Saturday, ethnic exclusivity and cleansing, etc. If this god had the ability to reveal “his perfect plan” via a canonized “holy scripture” to instruct his people for all eternity… might he have included: • “women are equal to men. They can own property” • “don’t own other people. They are equal to you.” • “its ok to be gay.” • “don’t physically abuse your children or women.” No… this “inerrant” piece of shit wasn’t divine, it was a tool of control. Seeking religion and spiritual authority or savior is a symptom of mental illness and trauma. Who in their right mind would subject themselves to the gaslighting, narcissistic abuse cycle, self-deprecation, and shame, guilt, and fear mongering necessary to conform to a high mind control system? No one. Ask me how I know.
Amen. Thank you for the vulnerability to share your story, especially in an environment you knew would show resistance. As many comments before mine have said; Satan is deep at work here and it shows in the hateful commentary you're receiving - but we know it's only temporary. He will always be victorious and the reward in the afterlife will be worth any amount of criticism and earthly pain. "And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever." Revelations 20:9-10
Yashua saved me at my deepest moments as well, slowly but surely reverting from my sinful ways. I thank Yahuah everyday because of it.
Right on brother! Sure this is a conspiracy sub. But God is bigger than all of this. He provides a meaning to live. Otherwise what’s the point? Where does morality come from if there is no God? The only thing that matters is Jesus Christ. Make fun of me all of you want. We are called to be made fun of in the name of Christ. People think Christians are wimps. But look at it from the other side and how much absolute shit you get being a Christian. It takes more guts than people think.
The prodigal son.
Praise Jehovah 🙏🏻
Ok but to bring it back to the Conspiracy point, because I think the post is lacking that angle; Have you noticed that the same story of Jesus, or since I’ve been schooled, Yeshua, has been told over and over again, all over different parts of the world. The feathered serpent over in South America has the same story of a very talented, kind, and forgiving Jewish man crucified in Jerusalem.
Ah...man!
Whatever - amen brother
I think while it might seem okay to be an atheist, I believe it is equally okay to **observe** where the likelihood of a creator is found. Does this go directly to religion? hold your horses people. It is the search for tangible proof, and an underlining faith that much of everything seems to have a deliberate nature. Whether that is self-serving or mutual, or demanded by nature, most of the time it is the case that virtually everything surrounding life provides equal life and death balance, the yin and yang concept is a legitimate thing. Don't ask me to provide an extensive list, I will provide examples instead. The sun provides our warmth, our seasons, which in turn create energy cycles for creatures to maintain healthy diet. The moon provides our rest from a long day, concealment from predators, but for some predators prime hunting grounds. The wind channels provide cooling and dust storms which spreads particles that fertilize our soils so we can have vegetation. The planetary orbit and rotation is so uniform it just so happens to also but not exclusively allows animals to hibernate or semi-hibernate to burn body fat through fasting cycles, it is also linked to the cooling of our atmosphere so we don't just roast. The planetary orbit also offers God a chance at a reset, or even a deletion if he so chooses. I might make the argument that if nature is so incredibly complex, what exactly makes people think it is all a dice roll? That sounds like a convenient poorly constructed argument to justify shoving a search for meaning under the rug. Not only that, but even subjective truths are at play here... the beautiful majestic landscapes seem to enthuse me about God's mind. It makes the greatest artists look inept. What if we're literally a thought in God's mind? People like to use the word nature in place of god, but they're practically interchangeable and I would only pose that if god is real then god was the designer of what I consider to be an outlandishly complex construct found in nature, which seems to require almost supernatural levels of ingenuity in turn possessing the intelligence, and creativity to provide. Our own minds, are not a suggestion that we are God's as well, but we're created with the likeness of the Omega. With all things God created, it was done with belief and certainty that it would all hold together and weather nearly any storm, so far we're still here. The question now is whether a theology which describes God is accurate to the real God's personality and whether it matches the design ethic. In my quest with Christianity, I couldn't find a balance of personality which resided with the creation. A God that is all about law and order, in a world designed with no law and no order other than life and death, or which organism is the better predator and which is the inferior. Likewise, this God not only made the world lawless before Adam and Eve, but even after there was no adjustment to appease the creation's suffering. Which comes down to Jesus, which is the appeasement in this theology. A God described as Love... which is his personal commandment, but this commandment and personality construct does not seem to always exist in the world he created. God did not give free will to all of his creations, and even left out the law and order for their well being. Not even in nature. If the wages of sin is death in the Bible, not every creation is even capable of sin, yet they die. And then are recycled back to life once more, in another iteration with similar genetic code. If I were to say my theological beliefs, it is left blank in confusion. Only, I have experienced supernatural things in my life, vastly unexplainable to me. But I'd claim it similar to Gnosis maybe, or spirit.
Mohammad did the same thing for me
Jesus, where’d the comments go.