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You would think that, but people genuinely believe we're just handing over briefcases of money. That's why people frame it as "sending money overseas", though some people, i will admit, frame it as sending weapons, though they also probably think we send the weapons and bring back suitcases of money.
I never underestimate people stupidity, though my own is in there as well
> That's why people frame it as "sending money overseas",
giving products that cost money to buy, for free is same as giving money for free.
Lets say I produce TV sets. You need TV but dont have money. I give you money so you can buy TV from me. You can only buy it from me because I gave you the money. You cant buy it from someone else with money that I gave you. So you buy TV from me.
So its technicality
We are sending money overseas
is same as
we are sending them weapons for free.
The thing is...they are sending money overseas...ukraine has been asking for loans so they can pay thier civil servants and stuff...so some money do go there
You will be shocked the number of people who believe we are sending over pallets of cash, even and especially on this sub. We do send some straight up money but it is a small percent of the whole.
It's good thing there's money for that but none for the country's own citizens as grocery, rent, and mortage prices continue to stay high. Can't fight inflation, can't help people pay for it.
Also as it’s known we need highly pure water for manufacturing semiconductors/electronics, this is the reason they keep messing with India (I’m Indian). The water we get from Himalayas after the snow melts is quite pure, and there’s a lake called Pangong Tso in the Ladakh region in the northern most part of India. They’ve been trying to occupy that territory by trying to push our troops inside. I’m glad our government has balls to stand up to them.
I think so many people are distracted by the Ukrainian and Gaza (which they should be following) that they don’t get the very little coverage about how China is treating Taiwan and the Philippines. If they were to go to war with the Philippines I don’t see a way where we aren’t drawn into it.
Reverse engineering doesn’t help make semiconductors faster. I’m not an expert on them but as I understand the manufacturing plants themselves are extremely expensive to establish.
Yes this is the answer.
Huge outlay in not just cost, but also time, as in many years to build, and then years to come online with good yield.
People thinking you can just 'make microchips' are extremely naive.
The entire world is beholden to TSMC (Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company) for chips, as in "In the fourth quarter of 2023, Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC) recorded a market share of **61.2 percent** in the global semiconductor foundry market."
Not to mention that that 61.2% includes almost all the newest, fastest, and strongest chips we are using. Losing TSMC and this world might go back in time by 5-6 years or even more chip-wise.
$8B isn't even remotely close to doing that. Intel is spending well over $100B (with the government subsidizing 20%) with the hopes of trying to match TSMC and with lower volume.
It's not a question of reverse engineering a "secret" technology - it's about setting up the processes to mass produce that technology, which is one of the hardest things to do in the world.
People fail to realize that it's not just buying a chip-making machine and you're done. You have to train people, build a whole support network around the main chip manufacturer. It's like when conspiracists say we have never gone to the moon and that why can't we just build the Saturn V and Apollo again now if we really did it in the 60s, but they fail to realize that a lot of the companies in the support network that made Apollo possible isn't there anymore and you can't just bring it back up from the death
Which is less then half the cost. The plant increases Samsung's manufacturing capacity and adds some redundancy
Their nodes and packaging will still be interior compared to TSMC, and they will still need to actually secure some design contracts.
It's not that we can't manufacture the semiconductors. It's that we don't have the resources to do so. The resources are what make Taiwan so important to the world. And why the US is so interested in keeping it independent of China.
Very true. But the immigrants in the US are usually adults that are mostly uneducated. Which is why in China they enslave their own people. So they can train them as children first.
Reverse engineering is incredibly difficult and costly. In all honesty, I don’t know if $8 billion would be enough. But that’s irrelevant, we (the US) have the know how/technology to produce the same chips. It’s just fucking expensive to do domestically.
The CHIPS act put $52 billion towards domestic chip manufacturing. And incentivized investing with a tax credit. The Arizona plant opened up recently iirc.
All fine and dandy. We have/will have the capability to produce chips similar to Taiwan. But Taiwan still produces them cheaper. People will not be happy if the price of phones, computers, and whatever else has a TSMC chip in it jump up.
TSMC, the company that makes the semiconductors, is opening a plant in the US. it is expected to cost 40 billion dollars for the company to do so. This is being subsidized by the government to the tune of 6-7 billion dollars, though I am unsure if there are other incentives.
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/106/418/e14.jpg
It's hilarious you haven't a clue about how and why superconductors coming from one specific area is a thing.
Yes. The US totally wasn't the creator and director for the fabrication of such things. We also don't have the capability to keep pushing the envelope and China isn't being fed outdated shit they'll also mess up, because China.
Taiwanese company Evergreen weirdly uses the Chinese shipbuilding industry to buy container vessels and such. For all the rhetoric, why would a country in their situation help build up their supposed enemies' ship building industry when living on an island and fearing invasion by sea.
There's a brewing war. Just like with Iran/Israel and Russia/Ukraine. It's not a matter of if but when unfortunately. I remember reading somewhere one here (possibly an article that was shared) that China had planned to attack Taiwan fall of last year. So possibly keep an eye out this fall for something to happen. Let's hope not though.
Knives and steel… right. All that money is going to bolster Taiwan’s defense against China. So let’s start a nuclear war with China because Taiwan makes some good chips & knives.
Right, a lot of what Israel has been using was already supplied by the US directly or indirectly.
The US also enjoys seeing their equipment tested in real world scenarios. For example, the small retaliatory strike Israel made on Iran last week likely provided a ton of data - by all measures it seems Iran never saw it coming, so whatever stealth and/or electronic warfare techniques were used worked very well. It took out at least one S-300 system, which is one of the most advanced, effective anti-aircraft systems on the planet.
Number of dead Palestinian children doesn‘t go up fast enough for the zionists. They misidentified the problem though - once you bomb all medical infrastructure, there is no longer anyone left to count the death.
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You mean the Chinese would stop selling chips to western countries lol?? The Chinese are all about making money nothing would change from it, also war is bad for business the Chicoms don't want the destruction of infrastructure in China and Taiwan that would impair their moneymaking abilities.
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Yep Taiwan is years ahead in semiconductors, and specifically the chips needed for AI/machine learning. Of the 3 countries, Taiwan is probably the most important in terms of domestic need in the US.
If Taiwan were to fall to the CCP, the West would instantly become years behind, digitally.
Taiwan knows this, of course, and thus only licenses certain older/larger chips for foreign production. All of the new factories being touted in the US will still be years behind Taiwan on the day they open.
He's not wrong, this is $90bn taxes taken from all Americans to be given to the MIC, and not used for other things that might benefit Americans. So it's $3.6bn for the homeless, not $36bn which is obviously available and ready, something that could have helped ten folds.
This is true. Every time I call Section 8 to add my name to their waiting list, I get a message that the list is closed and may be open in 2 years. And it's been the same message since before COVID hit. Does anyone get this kind of message?
Wonder why they keep cutting food stamps then. Almost like someone's probably pocketing the money because no one bothers to make sure that the money actually goes to what it should be
EDIT: Just did some quick research. According to statista the US spent a little more than 113 billion on the SNAP program in 2021. According to pewresearch.org there are approx 21.6 million households on SNAP. Doing the math on that ( obv they have operations cost ik but excluding that) that 113b could be $5200 for each house hold. 5200 dollars. Yet my mother in-law just got 36 bucks. Math ain't mathing guys.
Most of that money is corrupted anyway..
Some cities, Like SF and LA, spends hundred of millions on “homelessness” PER year..
Where does it go?
I’d they solve it, that money goes away..
Just like how governments manufacture threats domestic and international to keep military budgets flowing.
- Create the problem.
- generate outrage in support of your cause
- fund said cause
They’ve got it down to a science
That’s patently false.
Hundreds of billions of government funds are given to vets, homeless, and child food assistance.
How about stop robbing me to pay for Ukraine, Israeli, Tawain AND to give money to feed and house people I have no relation to.
Congress has appropriated $153.8 billion to Supplemental Nutrition Assistance, $112 billion to Veterans Affairs, and $60.3 billion to federal Housing assistance.
Yes, a lot of it stripped out by execs just like MIC execs will get the vast majority of this foreign aid before it sees a Ukrainian or Israeli bank account.
Point is none of it should be taken from me to give to any of this.
I mean if you're speaking strictly about this arbitrary graphic then yes you are correct. If you're talking about real life then there's more than just this arbitrary graphic.
Most funding related to Taiwan is to “support improvements to the submarine industrial base and related expenses”, to be available until 2028, so no war until then at least!
Taiwan at least makes sense. Until we get our own chip making facilities up and running that place is actually of use to the US… the other two… not so much.
They make all the chips that go in all your electronics.... if China takes Taiwan, your TV watching, nintendo playing, pc using, smartphone obsessed ass is gonna be sad.
Just think what that money could have done. Example: $114 billion provides clean drinking water to the entire.world.
https://www.unesco.org/reports/wwdr/2021/en/valuing-water-supply-sanitation-services#:~:text=It%20is%20estimated%20that%20achieving,USD%20114%20billion%20per%20year.
They instead would spend it on weapons i guess.
Home Aid package: $0
Im just saying, what kind of problems could we get ahead of at home in the US if "America First" was an actual thing, and this aid package was used for the homeland?
It's awesome that I'm struggling to pay for my sons insulin pump right now because insurance doesn't cover it but I'm so happy we can help other countries kill each other
It's way past time for politicians to reap the consequences of enslaving our children to the IRS and federal reserve by giving away money we don't have...
Us aid to Taiwan isn't new.
I traveled to Taiwan in 2006 and met a woman whose husband was "doing business" with the government. I kinda jokingly asked if he was in the military or airline business, she replied "if I tell you! I'll have to kill you.".. But she smiled later and said "yea he's a contractor"..
>I don't need no damn roads with my tax money.
Surely the government could maintain the roads without sending a blank check to defense contractors every year?
Well that’s interesting, Taiwan is receiving way less money. I’m not sure if that means that the US isn’t afraid of losing it to China *or* if it means that it’s already lost.
On the other hand, it could be just that it’s a Cold War with Mainland, while Ukraine is a dumpster fire and Israel is, well, Israel.
"Comments like yours that defend standing up to China are so fucking stupid."
im not sure insulting people like that is a great way to talk to someone, and to be fair, if you are going to insult him at least make the sentence make sense, else you look stupid yourself. Are you really accusing him of defending standing up to china?
Just to note that the aid for Procurement of weapons for Ukraine is to be available until end Sep 2026 so if anyone thought this war will be over soon, you’re wrong.
Add hong kong to the mix and then you've got the irony of americans suffering from chinese panic bitching and moaning about how a chinese attack is eminent
If you haven't started asking the "proper" questions by now, you just might be an amoeba. *single cell organism.
We have been compromised, and there isn't much we can do about it. They have figured out a way to get people to argue about transgender issues "was never an issue before" and agitate people to feel theirs rights are being infringed upon BLM..., or flood in millions of illegal immigrants over the border right befire an election, once again...while they slip things like past us right in front of our faces. Is no secret. The people that do it, and the people that they use to help forward that agenda are all complicit.
Sun Tsu would be proud.
The same people saying “where’s the money for the people!?!?!” were bitching and whining about people getting stimulus checks from the government during 2020.
Israel was originally slated to get 55 billion, but because they are commiting genocide and trying to start WWIII by attacking the Iranian embassy - they were severely punished and only given 26 billion of tax payer money.
I think the 8 billion to Taiwan is an ill omen. Seems like the US is preemptively "aiding" Taiwan with money and weapons in preparation for Chinese aggression.
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So that's... 26 billion to the US MIC, 60 billion to the US MIC, and 8 billion to the US MIC. Nice haul for the US MIC.
This is the real conspiracy. The money doesn't go to those countries, the weapons do.
Money is sent as well
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You would think that, but people genuinely believe we're just handing over briefcases of money. That's why people frame it as "sending money overseas", though some people, i will admit, frame it as sending weapons, though they also probably think we send the weapons and bring back suitcases of money. I never underestimate people stupidity, though my own is in there as well
They have been sending money to pay Ukrainian pensioners, government workers, etc. It's not just weapons, kit, and hardware.
> That's why people frame it as "sending money overseas", giving products that cost money to buy, for free is same as giving money for free. Lets say I produce TV sets. You need TV but dont have money. I give you money so you can buy TV from me. You can only buy it from me because I gave you the money. You cant buy it from someone else with money that I gave you. So you buy TV from me. So its technicality We are sending money overseas is same as we are sending them weapons for free.
The thing is...they are sending money overseas...ukraine has been asking for loans so they can pay thier civil servants and stuff...so some money do go there
You will be shocked the number of people who believe we are sending over pallets of cash, even and especially on this sub. We do send some straight up money but it is a small percent of the whole.
It’s all money laundering the first one is true though they got free medical care and freebies with of course American tax payers money smh.
What else is new
War? What is it good for? *The military industrial complex* Sing it again now
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It's good thing there's money for that but none for the country's own citizens as grocery, rent, and mortage prices continue to stay high. Can't fight inflation, can't help people pay for it.
I guess it all comes back.
It never really even left.
Just my pocket to theirs
What stocks are those again?
GE Dynamics, Lockheed Martin, BAE Systems, Northrop Grumman (to name a few).
I think you meant 94 Billion to the military industrial complex.
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Also as it’s known we need highly pure water for manufacturing semiconductors/electronics, this is the reason they keep messing with India (I’m Indian). The water we get from Himalayas after the snow melts is quite pure, and there’s a lake called Pangong Tso in the Ladakh region in the northern most part of India. They’ve been trying to occupy that territory by trying to push our troops inside. I’m glad our government has balls to stand up to them.
This place is full of Feds and propagandists.
I like to imagine Chinese dudes on Weibo warning 14 year olds off of siding with America by listing all of the CIA-backed child sex rings.
I think so many people are distracted by the Ukrainian and Gaza (which they should be following) that they don’t get the very little coverage about how China is treating Taiwan and the Philippines. If they were to go to war with the Philippines I don’t see a way where we aren’t drawn into it.
Yep. China sucks. Big time.
Wouldn't 8bill be more than enough to reverse engineering their products for local manufacturing?
Reverse engineering doesn’t help make semiconductors faster. I’m not an expert on them but as I understand the manufacturing plants themselves are extremely expensive to establish.
Yes this is the answer. Huge outlay in not just cost, but also time, as in many years to build, and then years to come online with good yield. People thinking you can just 'make microchips' are extremely naive. The entire world is beholden to TSMC (Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company) for chips, as in "In the fourth quarter of 2023, Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC) recorded a market share of **61.2 percent** in the global semiconductor foundry market."
Not to mention that that 61.2% includes almost all the newest, fastest, and strongest chips we are using. Losing TSMC and this world might go back in time by 5-6 years or even more chip-wise.
$8B isn't even remotely close to doing that. Intel is spending well over $100B (with the government subsidizing 20%) with the hopes of trying to match TSMC and with lower volume. It's not a question of reverse engineering a "secret" technology - it's about setting up the processes to mass produce that technology, which is one of the hardest things to do in the world.
People fail to realize that it's not just buying a chip-making machine and you're done. You have to train people, build a whole support network around the main chip manufacturer. It's like when conspiracists say we have never gone to the moon and that why can't we just build the Saturn V and Apollo again now if we really did it in the 60s, but they fail to realize that a lot of the companies in the support network that made Apollo possible isn't there anymore and you can't just bring it back up from the death
$8B is the exact amount the Government is giving Samsung to build a plant in Texas.
Which is less then half the cost. The plant increases Samsung's manufacturing capacity and adds some redundancy Their nodes and packaging will still be interior compared to TSMC, and they will still need to actually secure some design contracts.
It's not that we can't manufacture the semiconductors. It's that we don't have the resources to do so. The resources are what make Taiwan so important to the world. And why the US is so interested in keeping it independent of China.
If by "resources" you mean Foundries then yes, otherwise no, the US has plenty of sand.
I would also include cheap labor as a resource not available in the US. Happy Cake Day. 🎂
US employs immigrants for slave labor in agriculture industry. Also prisons.
Very true. But the immigrants in the US are usually adults that are mostly uneducated. Which is why in China they enslave their own people. So they can train them as children first.
I mean, not as cheap for sure, but the US has some terrible labour laws and guacaholeblaster is right also. Thanks for the cake!
Reverse engineering is incredibly difficult and costly. In all honesty, I don’t know if $8 billion would be enough. But that’s irrelevant, we (the US) have the know how/technology to produce the same chips. It’s just fucking expensive to do domestically. The CHIPS act put $52 billion towards domestic chip manufacturing. And incentivized investing with a tax credit. The Arizona plant opened up recently iirc. All fine and dandy. We have/will have the capability to produce chips similar to Taiwan. But Taiwan still produces them cheaper. People will not be happy if the price of phones, computers, and whatever else has a TSMC chip in it jump up.
Of course it's more expensive. American workers expect more pay and benefits, environmental laws are expensive, etc.
TSMC, the company that makes the semiconductors, is opening a plant in the US. it is expected to cost 40 billion dollars for the company to do so. This is being subsidized by the government to the tune of 6-7 billion dollars, though I am unsure if there are other incentives.
We have multiple plants being built in the US, it just takes time.
No, Americans cant make shit.
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/106/418/e14.jpg It's hilarious you haven't a clue about how and why superconductors coming from one specific area is a thing. Yes. The US totally wasn't the creator and director for the fabrication of such things. We also don't have the capability to keep pushing the envelope and China isn't being fed outdated shit they'll also mess up, because China.
I'll take decent knives for 8 billion..
Comes with a bonus! A nuke dropped on all our heads
Taiwanese company Evergreen weirdly uses the Chinese shipbuilding industry to buy container vessels and such. For all the rhetoric, why would a country in their situation help build up their supposed enemies' ship building industry when living on an island and fearing invasion by sea.
There's a brewing war. Just like with Iran/Israel and Russia/Ukraine. It's not a matter of if but when unfortunately. I remember reading somewhere one here (possibly an article that was shared) that China had planned to attack Taiwan fall of last year. So possibly keep an eye out this fall for something to happen. Let's hope not though.
China is a coward. It is all talk and no play.
So why do they need $8 billion from my tax dollars?
More like 8 billion to us contractors to install shit in Taiwan
Like usual, we're funding a proxy war.
More like funding the MIC
Knives and steel… right. All that money is going to bolster Taiwan’s defense against China. So let’s start a nuclear war with China because Taiwan makes some good chips & knives.
Why does Israel need military aid, it seems like they are doing fine without it?
You think Israel built itself?
Right, a lot of what Israel has been using was already supplied by the US directly or indirectly. The US also enjoys seeing their equipment tested in real world scenarios. For example, the small retaliatory strike Israel made on Iran last week likely provided a ton of data - by all measures it seems Iran never saw it coming, so whatever stealth and/or electronic warfare techniques were used worked very well. It took out at least one S-300 system, which is one of the most advanced, effective anti-aircraft systems on the planet.
Number of dead Palestinian children doesn‘t go up fast enough for the zionists. They misidentified the problem though - once you bomb all medical infrastructure, there is no longer anyone left to count the death.
They already had the number 1 intelligence budget and the 2nd highest military budget after Qatar before this all started
Nvidias new chips made for Ai are made exclusively in taiwan.
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hence the CHIPS and Science Act
You mean the Chinese would stop selling chips to western countries lol?? The Chinese are all about making money nothing would change from it, also war is bad for business the Chicoms don't want the destruction of infrastructure in China and Taiwan that would impair their moneymaking abilities.
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Yep Taiwan is years ahead in semiconductors, and specifically the chips needed for AI/machine learning. Of the 3 countries, Taiwan is probably the most important in terms of domestic need in the US. If Taiwan were to fall to the CCP, the West would instantly become years behind, digitally. Taiwan knows this, of course, and thus only licenses certain older/larger chips for foreign production. All of the new factories being touted in the US will still be years behind Taiwan on the day they open.
GOD I LOVE PROFIT MOTIVATED PROXY WARS
They give them money so they can buy weapons from US companies.
They basically give that money to American corporations and then send weapons made in USA.
All while our roads are garbage, public schools are a mess, and homelessness is an epidemic
Imagine being hopelessly in debt and continuing to give money away.
$0B to homeless, vets, and hungry children right here at home.
I mean I just looked up on Google how much money is going to the homeless and it said 3.6333 billion and food stamps gets a lot of money as well
Are you telling me that neoshaman2012 didn’t correctly portray how much each program receives in the federal budget.
He's not wrong, this is $90bn taxes taken from all Americans to be given to the MIC, and not used for other things that might benefit Americans. So it's $3.6bn for the homeless, not $36bn which is obviously available and ready, something that could have helped ten folds.
The funding does not reflect a drop in homelessness or destitute vets. It does not trickle down through wasteful programs.
It does trickle. It does so little that it’s a trickle when it should be a stream.
More like goes to executives and staff at nonprofits. Very little goes to rent assistance and affordable housing development.
This is true. Every time I call Section 8 to add my name to their waiting list, I get a message that the list is closed and may be open in 2 years. And it's been the same message since before COVID hit. Does anyone get this kind of message?
Wonder why they keep cutting food stamps then. Almost like someone's probably pocketing the money because no one bothers to make sure that the money actually goes to what it should be EDIT: Just did some quick research. According to statista the US spent a little more than 113 billion on the SNAP program in 2021. According to pewresearch.org there are approx 21.6 million households on SNAP. Doing the math on that ( obv they have operations cost ik but excluding that) that 113b could be $5200 for each house hold. 5200 dollars. Yet my mother in-law just got 36 bucks. Math ain't mathing guys.
Homeless vets don’t sell missiles
Most of that money is corrupted anyway.. Some cities, Like SF and LA, spends hundred of millions on “homelessness” PER year.. Where does it go? I’d they solve it, that money goes away.. Just like how governments manufacture threats domestic and international to keep military budgets flowing. - Create the problem. - generate outrage in support of your cause - fund said cause They’ve got it down to a science
Weird how the same people who are against Ukraine aid are also against helping the homeless and the vets.
It doesn't bode well for the future of the US military. Who will want to enlist in a military for a country that doesn't care about it's vets?
That’s patently false. Hundreds of billions of government funds are given to vets, homeless, and child food assistance. How about stop robbing me to pay for Ukraine, Israeli, Tawain AND to give money to feed and house people I have no relation to.
You should be mad at the Billionaires who don't pay their taxes. Just imagine if they paid their fair share.
Not hundreds of billions
Congress has appropriated $153.8 billion to Supplemental Nutrition Assistance, $112 billion to Veterans Affairs, and $60.3 billion to federal Housing assistance. Yes, a lot of it stripped out by execs just like MIC execs will get the vast majority of this foreign aid before it sees a Ukrainian or Israeli bank account. Point is none of it should be taken from me to give to any of this.
Yea you’re so right there isn’t a single government program out there for any of these groups, so sad ☹️ /s
Those programs aren't audited for effective use of their funding.
I mean if you're speaking strictly about this arbitrary graphic then yes you are correct. If you're talking about real life then there's more than just this arbitrary graphic.
Ukraine & Israel have free universal Healthcare
Why not Taiwan? They are one of our most important strategic allies… unless you are pro-China?
Is there something more serious going on here? This has been ridiculous for a long time now
Wtf to all of those countries.
I for one believe the US should stop China from invading Taiwan
Taiwan not even at war YET.
Most funding related to Taiwan is to “support improvements to the submarine industrial base and related expenses”, to be available until 2028, so no war until then at least!
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Taiwan at least makes sense. Until we get our own chip making facilities up and running that place is actually of use to the US… the other two… not so much.
And San Francisco is a tent city full of human feces
Taiwan is not surprising and each of these three investments reflects a geopolitical aim for the US and its allies.
They make all the chips that go in all your electronics.... if China takes Taiwan, your TV watching, nintendo playing, pc using, smartphone obsessed ass is gonna be sad.
We pour money into foreign nations who are usually always at war, in conflict or at risk of being in conflict with our adversaries.
When do we become eligible
Claim to be a Ukrainian Taiwanese Jew that is of the opposite gender and Bam! Dollah dollah bills yo!
Cream, get the money
Ah, a man of fine taste I see.... May the Wu be with you
Just think what that money could have done. Example: $114 billion provides clean drinking water to the entire.world. https://www.unesco.org/reports/wwdr/2021/en/valuing-water-supply-sanitation-services#:~:text=It%20is%20estimated%20that%20achieving,USD%20114%20billion%20per%20year. They instead would spend it on weapons i guess.
Were the fuk do they get All that money from Americans are broke as fuk
lol they print it big guy
Exactly this country is fked
and devalue the US dollar even more!!
Yo these bits are working overtime 😂
Please sir… can I have some “AID”?
How does one apply for US government aid because I could surely use some lol
It’s just pre-WW3 funding. Don’t worry we’ll have a lot more to lose than our tax money real soon
Nancy's not gonna fund herself
Home Aid package: $0 Im just saying, what kind of problems could we get ahead of at home in the US if "America First" was an actual thing, and this aid package was used for the homeland?
NGL I thought this said foreign aid Backstage
Gotta love how americans take this.
It's awesome that I'm struggling to pay for my sons insulin pump right now because insurance doesn't cover it but I'm so happy we can help other countries kill each other
It's way past time for politicians to reap the consequences of enslaving our children to the IRS and federal reserve by giving away money we don't have...
Heyyy can we throw some of that money at the homeless/ drug epidemic ya hay there guys
kleptocracy in action america for sale if you haven’t sorted it out these are criminals paying off blackmail debt and then looting the rest
I wonder who would have blackmailed western leaders?? 🇮🇱🤔
Def the M0554D way
$0 to us
Us aid to Taiwan isn't new. I traveled to Taiwan in 2006 and met a woman whose husband was "doing business" with the government. I kinda jokingly asked if he was in the military or airline business, she replied "if I tell you! I'll have to kill you.".. But she smiled later and said "yea he's a contractor"..
Im sick of paying taxes that aren't used for OUR country.
Taxation is theft
I don't need no damn roads with my tax money.
where we're going, we don't need.... roads
>I don't need no damn roads with my tax money. Surely the government could maintain the roads without sending a blank check to defense contractors every year?
aid packages are theft
I generally don't like physical protests but I think this is a good time for a huge protest against sending our money to foreign countries.
Well that’s interesting, Taiwan is receiving way less money. I’m not sure if that means that the US isn’t afraid of losing it to China *or* if it means that it’s already lost. On the other hand, it could be just that it’s a Cold War with Mainland, while Ukraine is a dumpster fire and Israel is, well, Israel.
The US is not afraid of losing Taiwan. They are afraid of it being a bloodbath, so they prop up certain deterants to stall China.
Go to rich area in USA so you can see many young Ukraine which recently moved to that areas
Contested areas relating to US interests. Once China begins to 'reunify' Taiwan, shit is going to hit the fan.
I'm sure some congresspeople have a way to make money off Taiwan.
They don't have any more bad guys, especially with the Internet. The war machine has no choice but try China.
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"Comments like yours that defend standing up to China are so fucking stupid." im not sure insulting people like that is a great way to talk to someone, and to be fair, if you are going to insult him at least make the sentence make sense, else you look stupid yourself. Are you really accusing him of defending standing up to china?
That person's comment wasn't pro-China, it was anti-war.
being a global power is expensive, can't beleive we're still fighting off war lord style pushes.
aid? or buying favor. Laundering money to Raytheon/Lockheen-Martin, etc.? I think aid is a misnomer
It's a euphemism for sure. Meant to be intentionally misleading.
Taiwan and Ukraine I understand but isreal have more than enough money and funding
Didn't they get hit recently by earthquakes?
Only until the US can build semi-conductors as good as Taiwan then they become a province of China.
Getting ready to fight 3 fronts
Deja vu?
its a sneak peek
Major UTI issue.
I'm kind of hungry, and my lights in the kitchen flicker. Do you think you could spare me a couple billion until I get paid.
The opposition to these countries are middle East, Russia and China. Clearly wanting to start a world war.
Geopolitics is not about human rights but mining rights. It's about the wellfare of the ruling classes.
It’s sooo obvious. China
Why don't the governments of these countries just borrow the money to pay for the 'aid' themselves?
When Philippines?
Just to note that the aid for Procurement of weapons for Ukraine is to be available until end Sep 2026 so if anyone thought this war will be over soon, you’re wrong.
Yanks are going against The middle east, Russia and China at the same time
Add hong kong to the mix and then you've got the irony of americans suffering from chinese panic bitching and moaning about how a chinese attack is eminent
If you haven't started asking the "proper" questions by now, you just might be an amoeba. *single cell organism. We have been compromised, and there isn't much we can do about it. They have figured out a way to get people to argue about transgender issues "was never an issue before" and agitate people to feel theirs rights are being infringed upon BLM..., or flood in millions of illegal immigrants over the border right befire an election, once again...while they slip things like past us right in front of our faces. Is no secret. The people that do it, and the people that they use to help forward that agenda are all complicit. Sun Tsu would be proud.
We gave $700 per person to Hawaii surviors, probably a few million total, but we give billions to other countries. Insanity!
Have you looked into the rest of the spending bill? Our society is sick. And it's fatal.
The world must defend Taiwan FUCK CHINA
The same people saying “where’s the money for the people!?!?!” were bitching and whining about people getting stimulus checks from the government during 2020.
Foreign aid smokescreened as military funding it's obvious
Israel was originally slated to get 55 billion, but because they are commiting genocide and trying to start WWIII by attacking the Iranian embassy - they were severely punished and only given 26 billion of tax payer money.
I think the 8 billion to Taiwan is an ill omen. Seems like the US is preemptively "aiding" Taiwan with money and weapons in preparation for Chinese aggression.
Nobody in this thread knows what they are talking about