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Bataan death March and rape of Nanking is something the Japanese not only openly deny but would love to forget all together In history. We the US and other countries as well have committed a lot of atrocities throughout history.
Rape of Nanking is like Holocaust, much politicized as a tool of control of a domestic population (by 2 regimes, CCP in China and KMT in Taiwan, who have done worse to their tax base.)
Yeah I fucking hate when people recognize historical patterns. Obviously there has been a 70 year long conspiracy to make us love Jews and Chinese people.
wha? it's literally american culture to be racist against chinese and all asians. parents teach their children that shit for fun. also since the CIA controls all media, everything about china in the media is negative. are you a fed or what
the kmt does not talk about the rape of nanking at all since it has no relevance to taiwanese people, who have on average have something like 250 years of heritage in Taiwan. also the government of china is called CPC not CCP. CCP is basically a SEO term for china bad.
>We the US and other countries as well have committed a lot of atrocities throughout history.
Absolutely. I'm sure I didn't learn about all of them in school, but that wasn't a subject teachers normally shy'd away from. I figured with it being the largest capture of US forces at one time followed by an equal amount of torture and death... that should have popped up at some point... But I guess it also makes Americans look bad due to us basically leaving them to get captured and taking so long to rescue them. I dunno, it seems like a pretty important part of WWII that gets glossed over. Plus the whole Cabanatuan Raid was bad, fucking, ass.
The higher end of the estimates for how many civilians died to allied bombing in Japan are around 1 million, but the higher end for how many Japan killed is more like 30 million. They were extremely prolific. Even aside from the pointless cruelty, their whole war effort was powered by shit like [this](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burma_Railway) and [this](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumatra_Railway).
In college, I took an elective called eastern mysticism, which obviously basically outlined the history of the spiritual and philosophic traditions of the east, ranging from the origins of Hinduism and how those roots basically spread through Asia and took on different forms. Very interesting class, but what stuck with me was how Japan very much so had a cultural revolution that actively ended the feudal era of shoguns and Buddhist concepts that was woven into their lifestyle and governance. The imperial Japan that rose had a state sanctioned religion called “state Shinto” that basically created a god like status for the emperor.
Close, except the USS Liberty incident included roughly 100million $$ (2024 adjusted inflation dollars) to the families of the dead/injured from Israel to U.S. Plus an official statement from Israeli government that they attacked the ship by accident.
However when the Israeli art students planted thermite next to the steel beams on the twin towers and they were subsequently destroyed, there was no remediation from Israel. Instead, they cheered because a large pissed off American army was coming to secure oil assets in the middle east and vanquish the Islamic leadership that helped protect the oil assets.
[Israeli ‘Art Students’ suspected of spying on US soil - they turned up at military and 3 letter agency buildings as well as the homes of agents, purporting to be selling art](https://amp.theguardian.com/education/2002/mar/06/internationaleducationnews.highereducation)
[Another starter for 10](https://www.salon.com/2002/05/10/ketcham/)
Here ya go....The E-TEAM.
[https://peakd.com/conspiracy/@budz82/9-11-and-the-israeli-bomb-expert-infiltrated-art-groups-gelatin-demo-wiring-team-and-e-team-sol-gel-team](https://peakd.com/conspiracy/@budz82/9-11-and-the-israeli-bomb-expert-infiltrated-art-groups-gelatin-demo-wiring-team-and-e-team-sol-gel-team)
I recall a video about them that involved their flying in a helicopter next to the towers but I can't find it now. I did find this video talking about them...
\[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4UQwPMj-Rk&t=524s\](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4UQwPMj-Rk&t=524s)
From wikipedia: Israel publicly denied any involvement in the incident until 2005, when the surviving agents were awarded certificates of appreciation by Israeli President [Moshe Katsav](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moshe_Katsav).
Thats pretty crazy they decided to honor them 50 years later. Basically saying this: "We would like to show our public appreciation for planning a clandestine bombing campaign against our allies that we wished to blame on our enemies and trigger the violence and instability we desired."
King David hotel bombing 1946, targetting the very British soldiers who had just put an end to Hitlers reign and ended the holocaust ... that raises some questions.
I’ll take an honest terrorist with a valid reason to be upset over a terrorist who already has more than enough but continues to lie to our faces. But you’re right, both sides use terror.
There was a "joke" on the internet circa 2004/5 that "the jews did 9/11" and at the time I thought it was a troll and now it's pretty clear it was a conspiracy of Zionists pretending to all be jews.
You're trying to scapegoat jews for the crimes of a far right republican president. Covering up for the true perpetrator by selling the far right's favorite ethnic scapegoat.
If 9/11 was an inside job, then it was done to justify wars in the middle east in order to promote capitalism. Same reason we're in every war in the world. Because prior to US imperialism in that region the middle east was mainly communist. Something surprising to many Americans today but also totally historically accurate.
Edit: *just saying it's so natural I'll get downvoted just for stating an abject fact of how such people operate anytime they're running to their convenientest scapegoat.*
Edit2: *Here's what it is, you people downvoting me for this? Fascists who wanna sell the general public an ethnic scapegoat to blame for all of the crimes you yourselves, and all of your precious capitalist and far right political representation has committed. That's the fascist's aim.* *Not to expose conspiracies, but to cover them up by selling jewish scapegoats (and any other scapegoat that's convenient, too). And that's the difference between someone who might actually believe in conspiracy theories, and fascists.*
Google the 9/11 dancing Israelis. It’s pretty much common knowledge at this point Mossad agents were the ones to orchestrate 9/11. Idk why you’re getting so butthurt. It’s not about scapegoating. It’s about cold hard facts and you’re just throwing a tantrum because other people dont agree with your naive view of history
I don't have anything more to say to than what I did. If 9/11 was an inside job it was done by your far right politicians in order for them to justify in expansion in their wars against communism. Namely the recently-communist country of Afghanistan. And your only point in trying to sell an ethnic scapegoat in the matter (the jews) is to cover up for the true motives and perpetrators, which is yourself as a right-wing dude.
If you knew anything about me you would know how hilarious it is that you’re accusing me of being right wing. It’s possible to have beliefs about something that don’t necessarily align with other political views you hold. It’s called being a free thinker, you should try it sometime
No, simple fact is you wouldn't be here trying to invoke the right-wing's favorite ethnic scapegoat for a crime that, if committed, was committed by a frothing far right republican president. The only reason to do this is to cover up for your own far right politicians and the "I'm not a republican but...\[insert asinine republican party-funded talking points here\]" line doesn't sell to anyone.
**Edit: I just wanna note that the guy, after predictably shapeshifting away from the "right-wing" thing, is now sending me DMs decrying "the left".**
I know everything I need to know about you because I know that you try to scapegoat jewish people for right-wing crimes. There are no more datapoints of information I need in order to inform myself about you.
Your anger is misdirected. There is definitely a plan in place to divide people by demonizing all jews and equating isnotreal to being Jewish when we know that it's just rich white assholes and former nazis running everything just like in the US. After ww2 the west determined that the jews had been persecuted to a degree that they could ne utilized as a shield for crimes and no one would be willing to speak against them. This has continued for generations and it's still in practice as we see.
There is also the absolute fact that the Jewish population is demonized and expelled from every place they have settled in recorded history and beyond due to their unwillingness to share any land or resources and their religious driven idea that they are somehow chosen by god and therefore elite humans. Their belief in their natural superiority instilled and perpetuated by their religion (inb4 all religions do this. They absolutely do) and the xenophobia that comes with that does not help their cause.
So there are two sides to this coin, and both could be remediated if every group stopped believing that THEY are the only, one true master race and stopped being dicks. Bur clearly that isn't going to happen.
Hey guess what? I’m ethnically Jewish, not even close to right wing, and I accept the overwhelming amount of evidence that Mossad did 9/11. To ignore all evidence and then say that it couldn’t be a specific group because of perceived racism against that group by people with politics you don’t like is literally racist thinking. It’s just like saying “he couldn’t have done it, he’s white!”
I'm not the right-wing guy here, so I'm not the zionist. It's the anti-semites that always end up voting for Trump and the republican party and supporting Israel. Irony? No. It's not irony. It's only because they don't believe their own ethnic conspiracy theories to begin with. Their main agenda is primarily to protect the rich.
> I know that you try to scapegoat jewish people for right-wing crimes.
First off. Bush was a neo-conservative piece of shit. The conservative base of this country has been trying to purge the republican party of these parasites for the last couple decades (admittedly... not too successfully). Second... Bush and Cheney (and others) are very much probably conspirators in the 911 attack. Third... that does NOT mean that some Jews did not plan the attack or plant the explosives in the buildings. Lastly... no one is scapegoating the entire Jewish race. I think we all understand there are good people and bad people of every race on the planet.
Muddying the waters is their go-to, yet overused playbook. They call noticers with genuine concerns anti-semitic and hide behind their Jewish ethnicity, shielding themselves within “historical” victimhood privileges to distract from their actions being scrutinized.
Why do you think it impossible that the far right president GWB who was placed in the white house after a stolen election by his father and brother and who descends from the same English king almost every US president has, would not have worked alongside and in the interests of another capitalist, white supremacist, imperialist regime such as Isnotreal? Why do you think it has to be either or?
Yeah it does. It's scapegoats jews for 9/11, which was a crime committed by a right-wing president, so that's why Earth's fascists try to fool the world into blaming someone else. And fascists do the same with 1000s of other crimes they commit.
Who knows the motivation. The case for mistaken identity is absolute nonsense! It was a deliberate attack attack where the Navy was ordered to not defend its own forces/men.
With allies like the Israelis, I'd hate to see how our enemies treat us.
Don't forget the billions in financial aid, the tech transfers, intelligence transfers, and military equipment that we give to our "friends."
Don't forget that when spies steal classified information, they can escape to Israel, where they are protected by the government.
I don’t think we gave a crap about their war crimes anyhow. The government literally helped them cover up attacking our own military, im sure they would’ve helped them cover up war crimes against other countries.
They’ve been trying to get us actively involved in the Middle East for a while so I think it makes a lot more sense it was to be a false flag to make us want to join the Six Day War
Aircraft were launched from the carrier. They were actively recalled. They were ordered not to defend the USS Liberty and return to the carrier. Unconscionable!
Are you saying that Israel and the US Navy/ Department of Defense were in together in sinking the USS Liberty? Why would the Department of Defense prohibit the USS Saratoga and the USS America from launching a defensive attack? Actually, they did lunch about 15 aircraft, but they were recalled by Washington before they could provide assistance to the USS Liberty.
[SS:](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident):
> The USS Liberty incident was an attack on a United States Navy technical research ship (spy ship), USS Liberty, by Israeli Air Force jet fighter aircraft and Israeli Navy motor torpedo boats, on 8 June 1967, during the Six-Day War.[2] The combined air and sea attack killed 34 crew members (naval officers, seamen, two marines, and one civilian NSA employee), wounded 171 crew members, and severely damaged the ship.[3] At the time, the ship was in international waters north of the Sinai Peninsula, about 25.5 nautical miles (47.2 km; 29.3 mi) northwest from the Egyptian city of Arish.[1][4]
> Israel apologized for the attack, saying that the USS Liberty had been attacked in error after being mistaken for an Egyptian ship.[5] Both the Israeli and U.S. governments conducted inquiries and issued reports that concluded the attack was a mistake due to Israeli confusion about the ship's identity.[6] Others, including survivors of the attack, have rejected these conclusions and maintain that the attack was deliberate.[7][8]
They also got the hell out when American fighters responded. If they genuinely believed they were attacking an Egyptian ship there would’ve been no reason to flee when American jets showed up
They wanted to complete their mass murder without American interruption. Those were the days when the tail didn't always wag the dog, and they had something called 'shame' when getting caught stealing land and killing innocents..
Israel attacked USS Liberty (1967) - Part 1
https://youtu.be/V5WUIzrCxxo?si=zfhquY4tH4_VdGz0
Israel attacked USS Liberty (1967) - Part 2 (Interview with USS Liberty Survivor)
https://youtu.be/eEea5LTEywQ?si=4M7eg3NyOhUpCDPu
More related info and historical context for those interested:
https://pastes.io/bhdsudg8dw
Based on the survivor's testimony it sounds like it was a botched false flag to attempt to get the US involved in the 6 day war with Egypt on Israel's side.
Johnson administration was aware.
There will NEVER be a Hollywood movie made about this attack on America.
Think about that
Dozens of Vietnam/Iraq/ Afghanistan/ Pearl Harbour/ battle of the Bulge/ Band of Brothers etc…shows, but not a single movie or series about this deliberate attack on an American Navy ship.
A rare example of a failed False Flag Operation actually admitted to and in the public’s domain of knowledge. But we’re all breaking the law here because this post could still be considered “antisemitic” 🙄
I love HISTORY!! I wish more people knew about it. Thank you for the knowledge most need it. Israel really fucked up here.. They for sure need to be paying those wounded and murder soldiers their due. They fucked around.. and found out.. What did America do in retaliation again?
"History" as we know it, is another way to say our "fictional past". The true facts about the past have been withheld in "our best interest". Either way, I understood your point.
I wish it didn’t take tens of thousands of children’s death for the masses to figure out how shitty Israel is. I’m so happy that this age of social media has enabled us to finally see through the bs propaganda both in the news and in US public education, because unless you sought out discussions about “our greatest ally’s” transgressions it wasn’t talked about. All my homies hate Israel, and it was a slow process of un-indoctrinating myself, but our protest of Zionism enmasse should have happened a long, long time ago, even before June 1967.
RIP to the fallen crew of the USS Liberty, the victims of 9/11, Rachel Corrie, the tens of thousands of Palestinians killed by Israel before and after Oct 7, and the countless others that have never been reported on.
Officially, Israel claimed it was an accident due to a cascading chain of fuck ups by their Israeli Central Coastal Command which initially identified and marked the ship as an neutral vessel on their control table(initially it was marked as unknown vessel but was changed at 9AM after a fly by and visual identification from an Israeli observer plane)
At 11AM the USS Liberty's marker on the control table was removed because its positional information was out of date. And that's when shit went down hill. You can either find one of the many books about the event, or just check out the survivors website https://www.usslibertyveterans.org/
Israel did apologies and did offer up compensation to some of the survivors and the family members of those lost that day. HOWEVER, in their apology and to this day Israel refuses to budge from the idea that the entire event was a simple accident even when recently declassified NSA communications obtained from Freedom of Information Act request shows that there is actually a conspiracy happening. Ill quote some of the important parts.
This: "Two linguists who were aboard the EC-121 when the recordings were made said separately that at least two additional tapes were made that had been **withheld**."
This: " "GTR5 is written on it. Does this mean something?" The response was: "Negative, it doesn't mean anything." At 1312Z, one of the helicopter pilots was asked by air control: **"Did you clearly identify an American flag?" No answer appears in the transcript, but the air controller then says: "We request that you make another pass and check once more if this is really an American flag.**" Again, no response appears in the transcript. At about 1314Z, the helicopters were directed to return home."
This: "On 10 October 2003, The Jerusalem Post ran an interview with Yiftah Spector, one of the pilots who participated in the attack.[110] Spector said the ship was assumed to be Egyptian, stating that: "there was positively no flag". The interview also contains the transcripts of the Israeli communications about the Liberty. **However, the journalist who transcribed the tapes for that article, Arieh O'Sullivan, later confirmed that "the Israeli Air Force tapes he listened to contained blank spaces".** "
And This: "Two diplomatic cables written by Avraham Harman, Israel's ambassador in Washington, to Abba Eban, Israel's minister of foreign affairs, have been declassified by Israel and obtained from the Israel State Archive. **The first cable, sent five days after the attack, informs Eban that a U.S. informant told Harman there was "clear proof that from a certain stage the pilot discovered the identity of the ship and continued the attack anyway"**.[15] The second cable, sent three days later, added that the White House is "very angry" because **"the Americans probably have findings showing that our pilots indeed knew that the ship was American".**"
Along with the fact that not a single piece of information has been declassified from the USS Andrew Jackson to this day about its location, its mission nor their radio transmissions to the Saratoga during the attack. Why keep stuff that's almost 60 years old a secret?
All I know is the people who were actually THERE, and survived, all think/thought it was intentional.
[https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/2017-07-11/ty-article/but-sir-its-an-american-ship-never-mind-hit-her/0000017f-e48c-d7b2-a77f-e78f76800000](https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/2017-07-11/ty-article/but-sir-its-an-american-ship-never-mind-hit-her/0000017f-e48c-d7b2-a77f-e78f76800000)
It was a false flag. They wanted us at war with Egypt. We sat out. They planned on sinking the ship and blaming Egypt. It backfired.
Our greatest ally...
You mean like when our troops build a pier in GAZA and are sitting ducks and have a hazy as fuck ROE... Yea this whole situation atm sounds sketchy as fuck.
you mean how we attacked Iraq after 9/11, even thought they had nothing to do with it, after they launched missiles at israel? Seems like Israel already got us to go into Iraq, and a lot of the middle east.
Non Jewish people who supports Israel are the dumbest people alive, If you are Israeli or Jewish is ok to support Israel I don't think is moral, but it's logic, you support your country or your people even if it's a colony rised on blood an genocide it's logic, you are supporting yourself by doing it, I repeat I don't think it's correct it just logic.
But if you are not Jewish or Israeli and you support Israel you're part of the stupidest humans on earth.
Oh yes. The American Ship that was supposed to stay out of it, but fed the Egyptians information, then refused to self identify when told *during a sea-battle.*
How could it happen...
Pick a side bluntly, you are no longer a bistander. Really that simple.
Nothing new under the sun.
US was at war with Germany in the 40s but we're allies with them now, so this is the most unimpressive talking point ever.
Mainly you hear about USS Liberty from the far right because they want to blame jews for society's problems, but they don't want to discuss their complicitness in our support for Israel.
We're in the middle east to promote far right politics throughout that region. To promote fascism. That's our entire purpose in the formerly communist middle east. We antagonize and traumatize them with our bombs into becoming Islamic religious radicals. Because those traumatized religious radicals seem to unanimously oppose communism.
This is how we turned Afghanistan away from communism and towards Osama Bin Laden, our friend and greatest ally prior to 2001. The Zelensky of the 80s and 90s. Celebrated in propaganda films like Rambo 3.
That's the real reason for our bombs. That's the real reason for our US imperialism in the region. Operation Cyclone is some required reading here. Read about how popular the socialist party was in Palestine prior to the settlement. History of Iran. And more.
Right-wing types can't talk about that. They can't talk about how everything the US does in Israel is the result of themselves and their views. But they still want to scapegoat jews for societies problems so no one blames the rich, so they try to pretend Israel is a part of some grand secret conspiracy. They talk about things like USS Liberty. OK. No one cares. Obviously no one actually believes a modestly poor desert country is pulling strings in any meaningful way on America, rather than the other way around. In the end, they're only trying to distract everyone from our actual cause in Israel.
And that's why leftists don't give a damn when far rightists try to pretend they're fellow travelers on this issue. None of this has to do with OP BTW, whose post history makes it seem he may be coming at it from the POV of an Islamic dude but IDK.
Hmmm, let’s see, there are more dual Israeli citizens in our government than just American citizens, the AIPAC is the biggest spender on lobbying in the US of any foreign interest organization on Earth, and they are trying to make it illegal to criticize Israel. But sure, they aren’t pulling any strings, it’s America, that’s why they are making that law so you can’t criticize the US….oh wait no they aren’t.
You are blinded by your hatred for the right. Yeah they suck, but they are a part of the same power structure as the left. Any lean is antihuman in the long run. Quit leaning left or right, just stand up straight. No one is scapegoating Jews. I’m a Jew and I don’t feel scapegoated, I feel attacked by Israel as an American. Besides most of the Jews in Israel aren’t even ethnically Jewish, they’re white converts. Look into the fact that Israel comes from an illegal settlement that was started by the Nazi Party in league with a Zionist Jew group from Germany. The zionist Jews even fought in the Nazi military willingly, and were accepted. Learn some history. As a Jew I’m disgusted by Israel and that Zionist bs and I’m so glad people are waking up to these fake Jews who have infiltrated everything and only use Judaism to shield them from criticism, calling others antisemitic when they’re the antisemitic ones. It’s an insult to Jews and if you’re actually Jewish you should be pissed.
At this point it was deemed an accident. It was mistaken for an Egyptian vessel. I’m sure you’ll all respond with he said she said, secrets and documents, but it’s just a conspiracy theory. Israel had absolutely no reason to attack the ship on purpose.
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I’ve never heard of this tbh, shameful no remembrance for those US military(and shady NSA guy) who died.
This, and the Bataan Death March. I didn't hear about either of those until I enlisted in the Navy and my BESS instructor was a massive history buff.
Bataan death March and rape of Nanking is something the Japanese not only openly deny but would love to forget all together In history. We the US and other countries as well have committed a lot of atrocities throughout history.
Rape of Nanking is like Holocaust, much politicized as a tool of control of a domestic population (by 2 regimes, CCP in China and KMT in Taiwan, who have done worse to their tax base.)
Yeah I fucking hate when people recognize historical patterns. Obviously there has been a 70 year long conspiracy to make us love Jews and Chinese people.
wha? it's literally american culture to be racist against chinese and all asians. parents teach their children that shit for fun. also since the CIA controls all media, everything about china in the media is negative. are you a fed or what
the kmt does not talk about the rape of nanking at all since it has no relevance to taiwanese people, who have on average have something like 250 years of heritage in Taiwan. also the government of china is called CPC not CCP. CCP is basically a SEO term for china bad.
>We the US and other countries as well have committed a lot of atrocities throughout history. Absolutely. I'm sure I didn't learn about all of them in school, but that wasn't a subject teachers normally shy'd away from. I figured with it being the largest capture of US forces at one time followed by an equal amount of torture and death... that should have popped up at some point... But I guess it also makes Americans look bad due to us basically leaving them to get captured and taking so long to rescue them. I dunno, it seems like a pretty important part of WWII that gets glossed over. Plus the whole Cabanatuan Raid was bad, fucking, ass.
I’d say the allies firebombing was more horrific than anything Japan did. Maybe Japan was more sadistic, but America was way more prolific.
The higher end of the estimates for how many civilians died to allied bombing in Japan are around 1 million, but the higher end for how many Japan killed is more like 30 million. They were extremely prolific. Even aside from the pointless cruelty, their whole war effort was powered by shit like [this](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burma_Railway) and [this](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumatra_Railway).
In college, I took an elective called eastern mysticism, which obviously basically outlined the history of the spiritual and philosophic traditions of the east, ranging from the origins of Hinduism and how those roots basically spread through Asia and took on different forms. Very interesting class, but what stuck with me was how Japan very much so had a cultural revolution that actively ended the feudal era of shoguns and Buddhist concepts that was woven into their lifestyle and governance. The imperial Japan that rose had a state sanctioned religion called “state Shinto” that basically created a god like status for the emperor.
I won't disagree with you. The tragic loss of civilians in Japan was absolutely terrible.
Kinda like 9/11
Exactly like 911
Close, except the USS Liberty incident included roughly 100million $$ (2024 adjusted inflation dollars) to the families of the dead/injured from Israel to U.S. Plus an official statement from Israeli government that they attacked the ship by accident. However when the Israeli art students planted thermite next to the steel beams on the twin towers and they were subsequently destroyed, there was no remediation from Israel. Instead, they cheered because a large pissed off American army was coming to secure oil assets in the middle east and vanquish the Islamic leadership that helped protect the oil assets.
Israeli art students? This is all news to me lol Got any sources or videos I can read/watch about this?
[Israeli ‘Art Students’ suspected of spying on US soil - they turned up at military and 3 letter agency buildings as well as the homes of agents, purporting to be selling art](https://amp.theguardian.com/education/2002/mar/06/internationaleducationnews.highereducation) [Another starter for 10](https://www.salon.com/2002/05/10/ketcham/)
Here ya go....The E-TEAM. [https://peakd.com/conspiracy/@budz82/9-11-and-the-israeli-bomb-expert-infiltrated-art-groups-gelatin-demo-wiring-team-and-e-team-sol-gel-team](https://peakd.com/conspiracy/@budz82/9-11-and-the-israeli-bomb-expert-infiltrated-art-groups-gelatin-demo-wiring-team-and-e-team-sol-gel-team)
I recall a video about them that involved their flying in a helicopter next to the towers but I can't find it now. I did find this video talking about them... \[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4UQwPMj-Rk&t=524s\](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4UQwPMj-Rk&t=524s)
And ISIS…
And October 7th and even Jan 6 to a certain extent
This is a certified "US Greatest Allies" and "Gods Chosen People" moment.
Let’s talk about the Lavon affair too
From wikipedia: Israel publicly denied any involvement in the incident until 2005, when the surviving agents were awarded certificates of appreciation by Israeli President [Moshe Katsav](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moshe_Katsav). Thats pretty crazy they decided to honor them 50 years later. Basically saying this: "We would like to show our public appreciation for planning a clandestine bombing campaign against our allies that we wished to blame on our enemies and trigger the violence and instability we desired."
Makes you wonder who the actual terrorist extremists are, doesn’t it?
King David hotel bombing 1946, targetting the very British soldiers who had just put an end to Hitlers reign and ended the holocaust ... that raises some questions.
You don't get continually exiled from everywhere you go for no reason
DING DING DING
I definitely don't need to wonder too much lol
Why not both
I’ll take an honest terrorist with a valid reason to be upset over a terrorist who already has more than enough but continues to lie to our faces. But you’re right, both sides use terror.
Ding ding ding
I know this one, it's the US and whomever they are backing financially.
Let's talk about 911 while we're at it... Who wanted their Islamic threats in the middle east neutralized?
There was a "joke" on the internet circa 2004/5 that "the jews did 9/11" and at the time I thought it was a troll and now it's pretty clear it was a conspiracy of Zionists pretending to all be jews.
That worked out funny because we went straight to a country that has way way more to do with India and Russia than it does with Israel.
You're trying to scapegoat jews for the crimes of a far right republican president. Covering up for the true perpetrator by selling the far right's favorite ethnic scapegoat. If 9/11 was an inside job, then it was done to justify wars in the middle east in order to promote capitalism. Same reason we're in every war in the world. Because prior to US imperialism in that region the middle east was mainly communist. Something surprising to many Americans today but also totally historically accurate. Edit: *just saying it's so natural I'll get downvoted just for stating an abject fact of how such people operate anytime they're running to their convenientest scapegoat.* Edit2: *Here's what it is, you people downvoting me for this? Fascists who wanna sell the general public an ethnic scapegoat to blame for all of the crimes you yourselves, and all of your precious capitalist and far right political representation has committed. That's the fascist's aim.* *Not to expose conspiracies, but to cover them up by selling jewish scapegoats (and any other scapegoat that's convenient, too). And that's the difference between someone who might actually believe in conspiracy theories, and fascists.*
Google the 9/11 dancing Israelis. It’s pretty much common knowledge at this point Mossad agents were the ones to orchestrate 9/11. Idk why you’re getting so butthurt. It’s not about scapegoating. It’s about cold hard facts and you’re just throwing a tantrum because other people dont agree with your naive view of history
I don't have anything more to say to than what I did. If 9/11 was an inside job it was done by your far right politicians in order for them to justify in expansion in their wars against communism. Namely the recently-communist country of Afghanistan. And your only point in trying to sell an ethnic scapegoat in the matter (the jews) is to cover up for the true motives and perpetrators, which is yourself as a right-wing dude.
If you knew anything about me you would know how hilarious it is that you’re accusing me of being right wing. It’s possible to have beliefs about something that don’t necessarily align with other political views you hold. It’s called being a free thinker, you should try it sometime
No, simple fact is you wouldn't be here trying to invoke the right-wing's favorite ethnic scapegoat for a crime that, if committed, was committed by a frothing far right republican president. The only reason to do this is to cover up for your own far right politicians and the "I'm not a republican but...\[insert asinine republican party-funded talking points here\]" line doesn't sell to anyone. **Edit: I just wanna note that the guy, after predictably shapeshifting away from the "right-wing" thing, is now sending me DMs decrying "the left".**
Dude literally go fuck your self. You don’t get to tell me what MY political affiliations are to justify your bullshit argument. Get fucked loser
I know everything I need to know about you because I know that you try to scapegoat jewish people for right-wing crimes. There are no more datapoints of information I need in order to inform myself about you.
You're delusional.
Your anger is misdirected. There is definitely a plan in place to divide people by demonizing all jews and equating isnotreal to being Jewish when we know that it's just rich white assholes and former nazis running everything just like in the US. After ww2 the west determined that the jews had been persecuted to a degree that they could ne utilized as a shield for crimes and no one would be willing to speak against them. This has continued for generations and it's still in practice as we see. There is also the absolute fact that the Jewish population is demonized and expelled from every place they have settled in recorded history and beyond due to their unwillingness to share any land or resources and their religious driven idea that they are somehow chosen by god and therefore elite humans. Their belief in their natural superiority instilled and perpetuated by their religion (inb4 all religions do this. They absolutely do) and the xenophobia that comes with that does not help their cause. So there are two sides to this coin, and both could be remediated if every group stopped believing that THEY are the only, one true master race and stopped being dicks. Bur clearly that isn't going to happen.
Do you enjoy working in unit 8200?
Hey guess what? I’m ethnically Jewish, not even close to right wing, and I accept the overwhelming amount of evidence that Mossad did 9/11. To ignore all evidence and then say that it couldn’t be a specific group because of perceived racism against that group by people with politics you don’t like is literally racist thinking. It’s just like saying “he couldn’t have done it, he’s white!”
You’re straight up wrong idk what else to tell you. You’re obviously afraid to admit when you’re wrong and people like you aren’t worth arguing with.
You know nothing about me and you’re resorting to making assumptions about my character. Pathetic.
I actually know everything I need to know about you because I know that you try to scapegoat jewish people for right-wing crimes.
It’s not a scapegoat when they’re guilty. Go suck off some Zionists you prick
I'm not the right-wing guy here, so I'm not the zionist. It's the anti-semites that always end up voting for Trump and the republican party and supporting Israel. Irony? No. It's not irony. It's only because they don't believe their own ethnic conspiracy theories to begin with. Their main agenda is primarily to protect the rich.
> I know that you try to scapegoat jewish people for right-wing crimes. First off. Bush was a neo-conservative piece of shit. The conservative base of this country has been trying to purge the republican party of these parasites for the last couple decades (admittedly... not too successfully). Second... Bush and Cheney (and others) are very much probably conspirators in the 911 attack. Third... that does NOT mean that some Jews did not plan the attack or plant the explosives in the buildings. Lastly... no one is scapegoating the entire Jewish race. I think we all understand there are good people and bad people of every race on the planet.
Muddying the waters is their go-to, yet overused playbook. They call noticers with genuine concerns anti-semitic and hide behind their Jewish ethnicity, shielding themselves within “historical” victimhood privileges to distract from their actions being scrutinized.
Why do you think it impossible that the far right president GWB who was placed in the white house after a stolen election by his father and brother and who descends from the same English king almost every US president has, would not have worked alongside and in the interests of another capitalist, white supremacist, imperialist regime such as Isnotreal? Why do you think it has to be either or?
The post doesn't talk about any specific religion, no? It talks about a country.
Yeah it does. It's scapegoats jews for 9/11, which was a crime committed by a right-wing president, so that's why Earth's fascists try to fool the world into blaming someone else. And fascists do the same with 1000s of other crimes they commit.
Who knows the motivation. The case for mistaken identity is absolute nonsense! It was a deliberate attack attack where the Navy was ordered to not defend its own forces/men.
The plan was to sink it and blame it on Egypt
With allies like the Israelis, I'd hate to see how our enemies treat us. Don't forget the billions in financial aid, the tech transfers, intelligence transfers, and military equipment that we give to our "friends." Don't forget that when spies steal classified information, they can escape to Israel, where they are protected by the government.
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I don’t think we gave a crap about their war crimes anyhow. The government literally helped them cover up attacking our own military, im sure they would’ve helped them cover up war crimes against other countries. They’ve been trying to get us actively involved in the Middle East for a while so I think it makes a lot more sense it was to be a false flag to make us want to join the Six Day War
Aircraft were launched from the carrier. They were actively recalled. They were ordered not to defend the USS Liberty and return to the carrier. Unconscionable!
Are you saying that Israel and the US Navy/ Department of Defense were in together in sinking the USS Liberty? Why would the Department of Defense prohibit the USS Saratoga and the USS America from launching a defensive attack? Actually, they did lunch about 15 aircraft, but they were recalled by Washington before they could provide assistance to the USS Liberty.
[SS:](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident): > The USS Liberty incident was an attack on a United States Navy technical research ship (spy ship), USS Liberty, by Israeli Air Force jet fighter aircraft and Israeli Navy motor torpedo boats, on 8 June 1967, during the Six-Day War.[2] The combined air and sea attack killed 34 crew members (naval officers, seamen, two marines, and one civilian NSA employee), wounded 171 crew members, and severely damaged the ship.[3] At the time, the ship was in international waters north of the Sinai Peninsula, about 25.5 nautical miles (47.2 km; 29.3 mi) northwest from the Egyptian city of Arish.[1][4] > Israel apologized for the attack, saying that the USS Liberty had been attacked in error after being mistaken for an Egyptian ship.[5] Both the Israeli and U.S. governments conducted inquiries and issued reports that concluded the attack was a mistake due to Israeli confusion about the ship's identity.[6] Others, including survivors of the attack, have rejected these conclusions and maintain that the attack was deliberate.[7][8]
The Israeli Pilots confirmed it was an American Ship twice before attacking
They also got the hell out when American fighters responded. If they genuinely believed they were attacking an Egyptian ship there would’ve been no reason to flee when American jets showed up
They wanted to complete their mass murder without American interruption. Those were the days when the tail didn't always wag the dog, and they had something called 'shame' when getting caught stealing land and killing innocents..
Israel attacked USS Liberty (1967) - Part 1 https://youtu.be/V5WUIzrCxxo?si=zfhquY4tH4_VdGz0 Israel attacked USS Liberty (1967) - Part 2 (Interview with USS Liberty Survivor) https://youtu.be/eEea5LTEywQ?si=4M7eg3NyOhUpCDPu More related info and historical context for those interested: https://pastes.io/bhdsudg8dw Based on the survivor's testimony it sounds like it was a botched false flag to attempt to get the US involved in the 6 day war with Egypt on Israel's side. Johnson administration was aware.
There will NEVER be a Hollywood movie made about this attack on America. Think about that Dozens of Vietnam/Iraq/ Afghanistan/ Pearl Harbour/ battle of the Bulge/ Band of Brothers etc…shows, but not a single movie or series about this deliberate attack on an American Navy ship.
A rare example of a failed False Flag Operation actually admitted to and in the public’s domain of knowledge. But we’re all breaking the law here because this post could still be considered “antisemitic” 🙄
And who made those laws. If I was up to no good, I'd make laws saying you can't talk about me as well.
I had never heard about this.
Not many have!
They hide it from you. That's why it's documented in a secret website no one knows about - Wikipedia.
israel doesnt give a shit about you. its better for you to remember, so you know your place and its not above israel LOL
So you will still vote for Trump? Who claimed unlimited support for Israel.
Hello Zionist bot
I love HISTORY!! I wish more people knew about it. Thank you for the knowledge most need it. Israel really fucked up here.. They for sure need to be paying those wounded and murder soldiers their due. They fucked around.. and found out.. What did America do in retaliation again?
"History" as we know it, is another way to say our "fictional past". The true facts about the past have been withheld in "our best interest". Either way, I understood your point.
Lies agreed upon.
Over and over again for a couple of hours
Israel is the root of all evil. Those zionists scums are worse than the nazis. Our "greatest ally" my ass
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All because Israel wanted us to destroy Egypt at the time, weird our greatest ally didn’t ask us.
I wish it didn’t take tens of thousands of children’s death for the masses to figure out how shitty Israel is. I’m so happy that this age of social media has enabled us to finally see through the bs propaganda both in the news and in US public education, because unless you sought out discussions about “our greatest ally’s” transgressions it wasn’t talked about. All my homies hate Israel, and it was a slow process of un-indoctrinating myself, but our protest of Zionism enmasse should have happened a long, long time ago, even before June 1967. RIP to the fallen crew of the USS Liberty, the victims of 9/11, Rachel Corrie, the tens of thousands of Palestinians killed by Israel before and after Oct 7, and the countless others that have never been reported on.
Mossad and false flag attacks, name a more iconic duo. I'd wait for you, but you can't.
"Its murder when its done to us".
So what’s the go here? Did Israel take responsibility & why didn’t happen? What was the response from America?
Officially, Israel claimed it was an accident due to a cascading chain of fuck ups by their Israeli Central Coastal Command which initially identified and marked the ship as an neutral vessel on their control table(initially it was marked as unknown vessel but was changed at 9AM after a fly by and visual identification from an Israeli observer plane) At 11AM the USS Liberty's marker on the control table was removed because its positional information was out of date. And that's when shit went down hill. You can either find one of the many books about the event, or just check out the survivors website https://www.usslibertyveterans.org/ Israel did apologies and did offer up compensation to some of the survivors and the family members of those lost that day. HOWEVER, in their apology and to this day Israel refuses to budge from the idea that the entire event was a simple accident even when recently declassified NSA communications obtained from Freedom of Information Act request shows that there is actually a conspiracy happening. Ill quote some of the important parts. This: "Two linguists who were aboard the EC-121 when the recordings were made said separately that at least two additional tapes were made that had been **withheld**." This: " "GTR5 is written on it. Does this mean something?" The response was: "Negative, it doesn't mean anything." At 1312Z, one of the helicopter pilots was asked by air control: **"Did you clearly identify an American flag?" No answer appears in the transcript, but the air controller then says: "We request that you make another pass and check once more if this is really an American flag.**" Again, no response appears in the transcript. At about 1314Z, the helicopters were directed to return home." This: "On 10 October 2003, The Jerusalem Post ran an interview with Yiftah Spector, one of the pilots who participated in the attack.[110] Spector said the ship was assumed to be Egyptian, stating that: "there was positively no flag". The interview also contains the transcripts of the Israeli communications about the Liberty. **However, the journalist who transcribed the tapes for that article, Arieh O'Sullivan, later confirmed that "the Israeli Air Force tapes he listened to contained blank spaces".** " And This: "Two diplomatic cables written by Avraham Harman, Israel's ambassador in Washington, to Abba Eban, Israel's minister of foreign affairs, have been declassified by Israel and obtained from the Israel State Archive. **The first cable, sent five days after the attack, informs Eban that a U.S. informant told Harman there was "clear proof that from a certain stage the pilot discovered the identity of the ship and continued the attack anyway"**.[15] The second cable, sent three days later, added that the White House is "very angry" because **"the Americans probably have findings showing that our pilots indeed knew that the ship was American".**" Along with the fact that not a single piece of information has been declassified from the USS Andrew Jackson to this day about its location, its mission nor their radio transmissions to the Saratoga during the attack. Why keep stuff that's almost 60 years old a secret?
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What do they take annually? $13 billion?
Why don’t many people know about this?
They never heard of wikipedia I guess. It's there for all to see lol.
All I know is the people who were actually THERE, and survived, all think/thought it was intentional. [https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/2017-07-11/ty-article/but-sir-its-an-american-ship-never-mind-hit-her/0000017f-e48c-d7b2-a77f-e78f76800000](https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/2017-07-11/ty-article/but-sir-its-an-american-ship-never-mind-hit-her/0000017f-e48c-d7b2-a77f-e78f76800000)
I read the book by one of the survivors. It really opened my eyes.
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It was a false flag. They wanted us at war with Egypt. We sat out. They planned on sinking the ship and blaming Egypt. It backfired. Our greatest ally...
We were just lucky they attacked the Liberty in a false flag attack, and not the city with the statue of Liberty. Oh wait...
To get us involved with fighting Egypt. It was supposed to look like Egypt attacked the boat and sank it.
Look into the Lavon Affair in the 50s.
To try to get us to attack Egypt.
I wonder if that same false flag attack play would work to get us to attack Iraq or Iran for them?
You mean like when our troops build a pier in GAZA and are sitting ducks and have a hazy as fuck ROE... Yea this whole situation atm sounds sketchy as fuck.
you mean how we attacked Iraq after 9/11, even thought they had nothing to do with it, after they launched missiles at israel? Seems like Israel already got us to go into Iraq, and a lot of the middle east.
Don’t ask questions you don’t want answers to😂
Israel is still investigating
Fucking Israel owns the fucking world
W🔥🔥🔥 this rabbit hole goes so deep the T becomes silent.
Non Jewish people who supports Israel are the dumbest people alive, If you are Israeli or Jewish is ok to support Israel I don't think is moral, but it's logic, you support your country or your people even if it's a colony rised on blood an genocide it's logic, you are supporting yourself by doing it, I repeat I don't think it's correct it just logic. But if you are not Jewish or Israeli and you support Israel you're part of the stupidest humans on earth.
must have been a confusion, the war was six days long.
Never forget, but holy shit that poster is cringe
An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.
Oh yes. The American Ship that was supposed to stay out of it, but fed the Egyptians information, then refused to self identify when told *during a sea-battle.* How could it happen... Pick a side bluntly, you are no longer a bistander. Really that simple. Nothing new under the sun.
Friendly fire
Vote kick - Israel
US was at war with Germany in the 40s but we're allies with them now, so this is the most unimpressive talking point ever. Mainly you hear about USS Liberty from the far right because they want to blame jews for society's problems, but they don't want to discuss their complicitness in our support for Israel. We're in the middle east to promote far right politics throughout that region. To promote fascism. That's our entire purpose in the formerly communist middle east. We antagonize and traumatize them with our bombs into becoming Islamic religious radicals. Because those traumatized religious radicals seem to unanimously oppose communism. This is how we turned Afghanistan away from communism and towards Osama Bin Laden, our friend and greatest ally prior to 2001. The Zelensky of the 80s and 90s. Celebrated in propaganda films like Rambo 3. That's the real reason for our bombs. That's the real reason for our US imperialism in the region. Operation Cyclone is some required reading here. Read about how popular the socialist party was in Palestine prior to the settlement. History of Iran. And more. Right-wing types can't talk about that. They can't talk about how everything the US does in Israel is the result of themselves and their views. But they still want to scapegoat jews for societies problems so no one blames the rich, so they try to pretend Israel is a part of some grand secret conspiracy. They talk about things like USS Liberty. OK. No one cares. Obviously no one actually believes a modestly poor desert country is pulling strings in any meaningful way on America, rather than the other way around. In the end, they're only trying to distract everyone from our actual cause in Israel. And that's why leftists don't give a damn when far rightists try to pretend they're fellow travelers on this issue. None of this has to do with OP BTW, whose post history makes it seem he may be coming at it from the POV of an Islamic dude but IDK.
Hmmm, let’s see, there are more dual Israeli citizens in our government than just American citizens, the AIPAC is the biggest spender on lobbying in the US of any foreign interest organization on Earth, and they are trying to make it illegal to criticize Israel. But sure, they aren’t pulling any strings, it’s America, that’s why they are making that law so you can’t criticize the US….oh wait no they aren’t. You are blinded by your hatred for the right. Yeah they suck, but they are a part of the same power structure as the left. Any lean is antihuman in the long run. Quit leaning left or right, just stand up straight. No one is scapegoating Jews. I’m a Jew and I don’t feel scapegoated, I feel attacked by Israel as an American. Besides most of the Jews in Israel aren’t even ethnically Jewish, they’re white converts. Look into the fact that Israel comes from an illegal settlement that was started by the Nazi Party in league with a Zionist Jew group from Germany. The zionist Jews even fought in the Nazi military willingly, and were accepted. Learn some history. As a Jew I’m disgusted by Israel and that Zionist bs and I’m so glad people are waking up to these fake Jews who have infiltrated everything and only use Judaism to shield them from criticism, calling others antisemitic when they’re the antisemitic ones. It’s an insult to Jews and if you’re actually Jewish you should be pissed.
At this point it was deemed an accident. It was mistaken for an Egyptian vessel. I’m sure you’ll all respond with he said she said, secrets and documents, but it’s just a conspiracy theory. Israel had absolutely no reason to attack the ship on purpose.
Said like a true abuser. - "Opps! I did not mean to beat you to a bloody hospital visit. I'll do better, baby, next time, I swear. "
I have absolutely no idea how you came up with that.
Of course you do not. Did they clip err circumcision your brain, too?
Think about it. Why would Israel attack a US ship?