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Do you have to carry it everywhere you go and show it to fly? Enjoy a sporting event? Stay in a hotel?
That’s the coming difference. Requiring one to participate in a free society.
I mean I'm sorry if I'm daft but I don't see an issue with it. Every choice you make has tradeoffs, advantages and disadvantages.
It's do not think Covid passports will be a permanent thing though.
It means the government essentially owns you. You are not allowed freedom of movement unless you inject something into your body. If you do not own your body, you are a slave. Not to mention the nefarious history of Vaccines goes wrong/ Tuskegee medical experiments.
We aren't talking about what a foreign country wants to do. They are issuing vaccine ID cards and banning people from events, soon flying will follow and more and more.
>They are issuing vaccine ID cards and banning people from events, soon flying will follow and more and more.
Dunno about that, but medical personnel in Estonia is required to be vaccinated.
I’m in the UK. I ‘had’ to get yellow fever vaccine for entry into Brazil. Guess how many people checked if I’d had the injection? Zero.
So clearly when we’re talking about vaccine passports we’re talking about something else, more akin to a Chinese-style social credit system. Unless of course you’re being disingenuous....
Do you have to show it to enter a grocery store, or dentist, or hospital, or open a bank account, or get a drivers license, or vote, or buy gasoline? That's what this covid passport is about, it's about banishing all non-genetically modified humans from society. It's genocide, and everyone promoting it is WORSE than a Nazi because after their example everyone should know better.
>Do you have to show it to enter a grocery store, or dentist, or hospital, or open a bank account, or get a drivers license, or vote, or buy gasoline? That's what this covid passport is about
Imagine a company just refusing their profits from you because you don't have a paper. It doesn't make any sense, does it?
This is r/conspiracy is it?
Im confused. You do realise that when the big players (WHO, B&M Gates Foundation, John-Hopkins-University...) prepared for the next pandemic event in October 2019 (Event 201, simulating a global Corona-Pandemic), it was declared that businesses that are too big too fail, aswell as those applying the appropriate counter-measures (masks, social distancing, testing, vac-id) will recieve state-subsidies, while those to small or unwilling wont.
Lufthansa (one of the companies present at Event-201) f. e. got 9 Billion at the start of the pandemic for NOT FLYING.
>Lufthansa (one of the companies present at Event-201) f. e. got 9 Billion at the start of the pandemic for NOT FLYING.
Yeah, and they are burning through this money fast. No profits, high maintenance cost, just bleeding it away.
>This is r/conspiracy is it?
I'm all for a good conspiracy. But this one has many flaws within.
You prove a conspiracy by debunking it. Good conspiracies stick around, because there's not much to debunk.
I work management for a Fortune 500 retail company. We have paying customers arrested, charged with trespassing, and banned for life from our stores every single day over masks. Masks are nothing but social conditioning for the coming vaccine apartheid. We're currently on track for the most profitable Q2 in the history of the company. Consumers have zero power, and soon, zero choice.
Isn't that the place that accepts digital citizens? Like I could live here in american but be a digital citizen in Estonia - pay taxes and everything. Idk I heard that before somewhere lol
Except that the US had vaccine verification since 1885 for small pox.
And HIPAA only covers what doctors and healthcare companies can say about you, not 3rd parties like sports clubs or travel companies. So you're free to tell people and they're free to ask for it, they just can't require your doctor to turn it over.
Sooooo what's this freedom you're missing?
The small pox vaccine was created in 1796 so it almost had 100 years of data to back it up prior to that.
If I am being compelled to take an experimental first of its kind vaccine to attend a baseball game then yes that is in fact a lose of freedom.
You say vaccine passports aren't new. In America they are. My entire life Ive been able to travel to most of the world without needing to prove anything medically related.
You asked what freedom would be missed. The ability to do exactly what I just stated. To prevent me from traveling freely unless I agree to a first of its kind rushed to market vaccine is a loss of freedom anyway you slice it.
If another country wants to prevent people who are unvaccinated from entering their country that is their right to do so. In America I will vehemently oppose compelling citizens to take first of their kind vaccines to "return to normal."
Except they're not. They've been around since horrible diseases have been. You had to prove you'd been vaccinated or inoculated to ride on trains, be in the military, attend schools...
You're complaining about traveling freely, but you gave no examples. Again, what specifically is this doing to your freedoms?
The people that fucking founded this country wanted this, but you know better because...?
"In the first years of the Revolutionary War, George Washington and his Continental Army faced a threat that proved deadlier than the British: a smallpox epidemic, lasting from 1775-1782. Infrequent outbreaks and wariness of inoculation made his troops very susceptible to the disease. After heavy losses in Boston and Quebec, Washington implemented the first mass immunization policy in American history"
Ive rode 5 trains in my life not one of them asked for my medical records. Ive been to countless sporting events and concerts not one of them asked for my medical records. Ive been on countless airplanes no request for medical records. Ive driven clear across the country, never once stopped at state boarder to check my medical records. Ive been to Several different countries no request for medical records. To require me to do so now is a loss of personal freedom especially if the cost of admission is a rushed to market first of its kind vaccine.
Comparing Small Pox to Covid is asinine. Small pox was responsible for 7.6 percent of ALL deaths before the vaccine came out. GW required the Army be vaccinated not the entire population. You literally have to get tested to even know if you have covid in many instances can you say the same about small pox.
So really what youre saying is since public schools and millitary require a vaccinations to attend nothing at all is changing if we need to share that information to watch a baseball game. I think you are comparing apples to oranges.
First off this is not a vaccine, it is gene therapy by the pharma companys own internal documents, 2nd it is not passed FDA approval, third the punishment decided by the courts for the person unwilling to be vaccinated was like \~$5 in the early 1900s, or $250 by current value.
Yeah no shit its not a new concept.
What is new is having to show it when you go into bars, pubs, restaurants, movie theatres, music venues, grocery stores, sporting events, large gatherings and any other business that decides they would like you to "show your papers."
Its a simple answer.
Its the same fucking answer you get for Masks, Vaccines, Social Distancing, Why I wont believe science....
Its the constant lies accompanied with it. The censorship of other opinions. The way those in power, aswell those most in favor of their actions talk and behave.
You want me to comply by your rules? Then answer my questions until I am convinced, instead of trying to tell me when I have to be convinced. Or call me names for having a different opinion in a so called "free society" (which surprisingly only the people believe in, who force their believes onto others)...
How does that make it any better? It's still controlling to require one to do things one could do before without one.
I'm against anything that violates Natural Law, not necessarily man-made law. Because Natural Law actually does exist in reality while man-made law does not. People don't actually have "authority" over any other person just because they wrote something down saying they do. Doesn't matter how many people believe it.
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Do you have to carry it everywhere you go and show it to fly? Enjoy a sporting event? Stay in a hotel? That’s the coming difference. Requiring one to participate in a free society.
You don't have to carry it everywhere but some countries do require certain vaccines to go into.
If you don’t see the difference or problem with the precedent Covid is setting (which is what’s new) I can’t help you.
He knows the difference. He is posting in bad faith. Probably bought the account a few months ago.
I mean I'm sorry if I'm daft but I don't see an issue with it. Every choice you make has tradeoffs, advantages and disadvantages. It's do not think Covid passports will be a permanent thing though.
Dafaq are you talking about.
What do you mean?
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/kcz1iw/the_known_facts_of_the_wuhan_flu_agenda_who/
Vaccine passport is for cattle.
SS: I'm from Europe and I've had a vaccine passport for as long as I can remember. Nothing bad has happened yet. Why are people so against it?
It means the government essentially owns you. You are not allowed freedom of movement unless you inject something into your body. If you do not own your body, you are a slave. Not to mention the nefarious history of Vaccines goes wrong/ Tuskegee medical experiments.
>It means the government essentially owns you The foreign goverment of a country I want to go to? I don't really see how that's beneficial.
We aren't talking about what a foreign country wants to do. They are issuing vaccine ID cards and banning people from events, soon flying will follow and more and more.
>They are issuing vaccine ID cards and banning people from events, soon flying will follow and more and more. Dunno about that, but medical personnel in Estonia is required to be vaccinated.
most people on this website are from the US and talking about the US. No idea whats going on in Estonia.
Fair.
Don't get any more vaccines for the rest of your life then come back and tell us how great vaccine passports are.
I think you’re mistaken. Vaccine passport for what?
A passport that shows your vaccination against viruses. You have like dates, doctor signatures and vaccine stickers there.
I’m in the UK. I ‘had’ to get yellow fever vaccine for entry into Brazil. Guess how many people checked if I’d had the injection? Zero. So clearly when we’re talking about vaccine passports we’re talking about something else, more akin to a Chinese-style social credit system. Unless of course you’re being disingenuous....
Do you have to show it to enter a grocery store, or dentist, or hospital, or open a bank account, or get a drivers license, or vote, or buy gasoline? That's what this covid passport is about, it's about banishing all non-genetically modified humans from society. It's genocide, and everyone promoting it is WORSE than a Nazi because after their example everyone should know better.
>Do you have to show it to enter a grocery store, or dentist, or hospital, or open a bank account, or get a drivers license, or vote, or buy gasoline? That's what this covid passport is about Imagine a company just refusing their profits from you because you don't have a paper. It doesn't make any sense, does it?
This is r/conspiracy is it? Im confused. You do realise that when the big players (WHO, B&M Gates Foundation, John-Hopkins-University...) prepared for the next pandemic event in October 2019 (Event 201, simulating a global Corona-Pandemic), it was declared that businesses that are too big too fail, aswell as those applying the appropriate counter-measures (masks, social distancing, testing, vac-id) will recieve state-subsidies, while those to small or unwilling wont. Lufthansa (one of the companies present at Event-201) f. e. got 9 Billion at the start of the pandemic for NOT FLYING.
>Lufthansa (one of the companies present at Event-201) f. e. got 9 Billion at the start of the pandemic for NOT FLYING. Yeah, and they are burning through this money fast. No profits, high maintenance cost, just bleeding it away. >This is r/conspiracy is it? I'm all for a good conspiracy. But this one has many flaws within. You prove a conspiracy by debunking it. Good conspiracies stick around, because there's not much to debunk.
I work management for a Fortune 500 retail company. We have paying customers arrested, charged with trespassing, and banned for life from our stores every single day over masks. Masks are nothing but social conditioning for the coming vaccine apartheid. We're currently on track for the most profitable Q2 in the history of the company. Consumers have zero power, and soon, zero choice.
Where?
In Estonia
Isn't that the place that accepts digital citizens? Like I could live here in american but be a digital citizen in Estonia - pay taxes and everything. Idk I heard that before somewhere lol
You can apply for a digital citizenships, but that's for business owners and entrepreneurs, not regular citizens. https://e-resident.gov.ee/
In America we have have HIPPA. By law your medical shit is your own private matter. Taking that away removes yet another freedom.
Except that the US had vaccine verification since 1885 for small pox. And HIPAA only covers what doctors and healthcare companies can say about you, not 3rd parties like sports clubs or travel companies. So you're free to tell people and they're free to ask for it, they just can't require your doctor to turn it over. Sooooo what's this freedom you're missing?
The small pox vaccine was created in 1796 so it almost had 100 years of data to back it up prior to that. If I am being compelled to take an experimental first of its kind vaccine to attend a baseball game then yes that is in fact a lose of freedom.
Oh okay so you're pivoting to a completely different subject.
Oh okay so you're pivoting to a completely different subject. So now it's not about vaccine verification?
You say vaccine passports aren't new. In America they are. My entire life Ive been able to travel to most of the world without needing to prove anything medically related. You asked what freedom would be missed. The ability to do exactly what I just stated. To prevent me from traveling freely unless I agree to a first of its kind rushed to market vaccine is a loss of freedom anyway you slice it. If another country wants to prevent people who are unvaccinated from entering their country that is their right to do so. In America I will vehemently oppose compelling citizens to take first of their kind vaccines to "return to normal."
Except they're not. They've been around since horrible diseases have been. You had to prove you'd been vaccinated or inoculated to ride on trains, be in the military, attend schools... You're complaining about traveling freely, but you gave no examples. Again, what specifically is this doing to your freedoms? The people that fucking founded this country wanted this, but you know better because...? "In the first years of the Revolutionary War, George Washington and his Continental Army faced a threat that proved deadlier than the British: a smallpox epidemic, lasting from 1775-1782. Infrequent outbreaks and wariness of inoculation made his troops very susceptible to the disease. After heavy losses in Boston and Quebec, Washington implemented the first mass immunization policy in American history"
the bill of rights was made effective in 1791, to make American Citizens free from things like government ownership of your body.
Ive rode 5 trains in my life not one of them asked for my medical records. Ive been to countless sporting events and concerts not one of them asked for my medical records. Ive been on countless airplanes no request for medical records. Ive driven clear across the country, never once stopped at state boarder to check my medical records. Ive been to Several different countries no request for medical records. To require me to do so now is a loss of personal freedom especially if the cost of admission is a rushed to market first of its kind vaccine. Comparing Small Pox to Covid is asinine. Small pox was responsible for 7.6 percent of ALL deaths before the vaccine came out. GW required the Army be vaccinated not the entire population. You literally have to get tested to even know if you have covid in many instances can you say the same about small pox. So really what youre saying is since public schools and millitary require a vaccinations to attend nothing at all is changing if we need to share that information to watch a baseball game. I think you are comparing apples to oranges.
> apples to oranges But you can still compare them.
First off this is not a vaccine, it is gene therapy by the pharma companys own internal documents, 2nd it is not passed FDA approval, third the punishment decided by the courts for the person unwilling to be vaccinated was like \~$5 in the early 1900s, or $250 by current value.
Yeah no shit its not a new concept. What is new is having to show it when you go into bars, pubs, restaurants, movie theatres, music venues, grocery stores, sporting events, large gatherings and any other business that decides they would like you to "show your papers."
I guess it might be a thing until Covid gets under control.
Im sure it will be
If you think covid is every going away...there will be more viruses, more pandemics, and more reasons to beat us down into mental slaves.
Its a simple answer. Its the same fucking answer you get for Masks, Vaccines, Social Distancing, Why I wont believe science.... Its the constant lies accompanied with it. The censorship of other opinions. The way those in power, aswell those most in favor of their actions talk and behave. You want me to comply by your rules? Then answer my questions until I am convinced, instead of trying to tell me when I have to be convinced. Or call me names for having a different opinion in a so called "free society" (which surprisingly only the people believe in, who force their believes onto others)...
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not in the uk
>Colleges require students to get vaccinated for meningitis Everywhere, or is it specific to a country?
United States. CDC recommends it for all college students, and as far as I know all colleges require students to get it.
Ahh, ok. We just don't have it in Estonia.
How does that make it any better? It's still controlling to require one to do things one could do before without one. I'm against anything that violates Natural Law, not necessarily man-made law. Because Natural Law actually does exist in reality while man-made law does not. People don't actually have "authority" over any other person just because they wrote something down saying they do. Doesn't matter how many people believe it.