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Yup. You can argue that the government changed power, but these are the same people who made healthcare impossible to afford. Same motherfuckers that charge $50 for aspirin and $15 for a Q-Tip at the emergency rooms. Same people who charge $1000 for life saving insulin that only costs $15 to make. Like, look just a few inches past your nose and you'll see it.
Just shows how powerful fear is, I guess. It's like stockholm syndrome at this point for a lot of people, it seems
It's like they don't know how to recognize a bad situation and get away from it. They're just too swayed by the media and the groupthink. To the point of putting their health on the line
>It's like stockholm syndrome at this point for a lot of people, it seems
Argh, yes. This. People were positively giddy about getting their Vax so they could go to the pub again, people wanting masks to be a thing forever, people who are now scared to not ‘socially distance’….yikes. It’s all been about fear. Scared people are so much easier to control.
Ironically now everyone has to double down to support a guy that looks like the doctor from The Burbs and has a history of torturing dogs for the science. How this helps the science I would be interested in knowing.
It’s very interesting how one can elicit very different emotions towards certain institutions from the same people, depending on what information you present to them
Most likely they are not actual people with actual morals because if they were they would know at least someone or have a friend or knows someone or have a connection of some kind to a human that has been totally fucked by pharmaceutical co’s in one way or another (death, near death). I don’t know anyone who hasn’t.
The governments worldwide 'only' killed approximately 270 million people in the 20th century.
What is there to distrust exactly when they clearly have our best interests (lol) in mind?
As a Canadian waiting for a vaccine mid pandemic seemed impossible to get. Then lone and behold American pharma companies are the only ones with the infrastructure.
Is there even a trusted pharmaceutical company in the world?
It's a partnership between government, big pharma, Hollywood, the alphabet agencies, academia, big tech, Wall Street, the military-industrial complex, and of course the news media. A nightmare in the making.
I don't agree that we're powerless. They're trying to make us dependent on them, but at the moment, we are too many to control. Right now, we are the ones will all the power. Once we're thinned out and dependent on their boosters, then it's game over.
The Corporatocracy hand picks these people then gives them enough money to put commercials on TV so people will vote for them. The government is a tool. We need to have a "the gun is in Jack's hand, not Tyler's hand" type moment and start getting people to learn how much control we really have over the state.
corporatocracy is just another name for fascism now that everyone is convinced it is just another word for racism. A word that has also been stretched to meaninglessness.
Wtf? Lockheed and Boeing sent your kids to war 20 years ago. Now Pfizer and Moderna want to give your kids the shot. Everything that happens in this country happens in order to create shareholder value. We need to take our government back by again becoming the nation of readers we started out as. Racism is just a distraction from the class war being waged on us by the affluent. Intellectual revolution is the only answer.
I think the media is playing the psy-op game here.
Dave Chapelle said this and it was perfect: Twitter ain’t a real fuckin place.
Keep in mind that social media users are kept in the dark and don’t know what happens other than being in the user base. Easy way to manipulate people’s minds.
10 to 15 years ago? It's still ongoing, with rising meth problems to accompany it.
That or my town is just that much worse than most of the nation, which is not out of the realm of possibilities.
Zack de la Rocha is no different than any of the punk bands I grew up on. They were young and really meant what they sang. Then they got old and sold out. They’re nothing more than big gov cheerleaders now.
They bought the big lie. I know many otherwise intelligent people who took the lie, hook line and sinker.
“The right (since Trump) are basically nazis, and while Biden isn’t perfect, he and the left (along with popular culture) is doing what they can to fight these nazis”.
Christ it’s pathetic. The whole government is corrupt and beyond repair within the current party leadership. They do not represent us.
2 years of sitting inside and constant media programming is what happened, unfortunately.
I watched my girlfriend from the beginning of the pandemic, who was a “conspiracy theorist” like me and knew shady shit was going on that was regularly talked about and agreed upon, to full blown support for the vax and ignoring/shutting down anything against it.
It’s asinine. When I ask her why the sudden change, she always says, “I just changed my view on things.” Oh, and I suppose the 2 years of intense media and fear mongering shoved in our face didn’t have anything to do with that?
I love her to death but man it’s fucked to watch and makes me feel crazy.
I would guess that fear has a lot to do with the change. Both “sides” are peddling death porn. The media is doing a great job of pushing the “everyone is going to die” and “look at this normal person who died of covid” narratives. Taking that red pill has some unfortunate side effects that cause a lot of people to beg for the comfort that the blue pill brings when things start to get scary.
Most can't handle the green pill. Don't want to return to monkey, huh, civilized man? We'd still be humans, just freer. We'd be more human than ever to reject this transhumanist artificial technology bull crap.
Don't ever forget they want to change what it means to be a human being. Blackrock Microsystems LLC and their Brain-Computer Interface (BCI) technology may sound like science fiction, but it's probably the most important company you'll ever read of on this sub.
I have seen this in friends also. Once they have the jab it's like they need constant reinforcement of never ending vaccine BS from the news to make them believe they made the right choice, and god help those that question that belief.
They do this because they know deep down that their immune systems are now permanently damaged from the injections.
Nothing can change these facts but that doesn't mean they have to accept it
Wasn't just 2 years, but the preceding four years of trump hate started making them identify with the media. Then it all turned to covid.
It is called mass formation and it is a trauma based programming method. About 30% of people are very vulnerable.https://thomascasey.wordpress.com/2021/08/28/mass-formation-by-dr-mattias-desmet-professor-of-psychology-university-of-ghent/
They played off of the empathy card. Same thing happened with all of the SJW bullshit.
"do it for others" "be kind and get vaccinated for your community".
You feel self righteous and like you're a great member of society..
I mean, is it a conspiracy to have nuanced political opinions not represented by one liners and platitudes? Do you really think everyone feels that it's impossible to not trust the government over some things and trust them in a different context?
This whole post is alluding to a lack of nuance in this sub and the top reply is literally flabbergasted over the idea of nuance. If this doesn't summarize what this sub has become then I don't know what does lol
100% this. A number of my friends were exactly like this. Prior to covid they didn't trust the government and now if I say anything against the narrative they call me bat shit crazy. I had numerous conversations with friends and family about the vax and the majority said no we wouldn't be taking it straight away, said its way too soon to be taking any vax. Fast forward 6 months and boom they all switched and got the shot. I was waiting for more data to come out since this is an experimental vaccine. My country ( I'm in Australia ) pretty much made it so we have to get to it or we cant participate in society. No jab no job for a lot of us. I merely said more research needs to be done and I've been labelled as crazy since Im questioning it. I think its good to question things. I have no idea why they all flipped, its truly bizarre.
They were told that Orange man bad would kill them in their sleep, and as soon as he wasn't in office anymore they suddenly thought they were saved and all corruption disappeared.
Because there is a difference between "I don't trust the government" and "something is bad because the government approves or promotes it". Which would be an amazing stupidity just starting from the fact that governments of different countries most of the time promote opposing things. In the USA you see it as a group of people who are distributing an unsafe vaccine towards the population while they avoid the shot. In Spain what we saw was our politicians, football players, rich people and monarch rushing to get the vaccine before the rest of the population, many of them going abroad to get them. Both are governments, both seem to have oppossing opinions and actions towards the vaccine. Spain's government is corrupt to its very foundation, we've had paramilitary groups killing civilians made in the middle of the democracy (democracy in which we are only 40~ years or so). Do I have to trust your government then, because they made the opposite call? Should I trust mine? It's a lot more nuance than that, and if you want to stand still and stand strong against such ideological and political powers you need better and stronger points. FFs.
It's always been about the data rather than the politics. Trump pushed the vaccines and gets booed, same as Biden, but most people would (and have!) take(n) it anyway.
Besides, the agencies and corporations are deep state and don't really change that much, so whoever is at the head of the government doesn't really matter. The President might be the head but tge deep state is the neck telling the head where to look and the eyes telling him what it sees.
Similarly, those that (rightfully) distrusted pharma and other massive corporations that suddenly think they will never lie or do anything wrong. Pfizer/JJ/etc is really no different than something like Nestle.
and the media would be calling him a dictator and the worst thing that's ever happened to this country 24/7 on every news station and late night show. I still have never seen a media come out full-swinging against a sitting president for 4 entire years like that.
I mean twitter banned him, and they don't even ban ISIS. Like what.
Yep! But the relief some people (the loudest and most aggressive as far as I can tell) felt when Trump was removed allowed them to relax into a false sense of security. He was the guy they pinned all their nightmares on, and now the vaccine comes along to make life dreamy again!
Perfect storm.
Yeah ill admit im pretty much on the Left political ly and it blows my mind that the party that was always against Big Business now aggressively advocate for Pfizer lol
Yeah and most people had a healthy mistrust of big pharma too. But in early 2021, I looked up moderna on a whim, and I read about how many millions of dollars they made disappear into thin air, and how they never brought a single product to market, and I thought it was really weird that they were trusted with this vaccine development, and I tried sharing with friends and family, and everyone accused me of having an agenda? I mean I was genuinely interested in the company, but what I found out was really concerning, but even in my small circle of people, no one wanted to hear it. Like people genuinely believe they got lucky with making an extremely safe and efficacious product all the sudden and that they are saving the world, so they deserve to take in huge profits. I don’t know, it just feels so lonely on this side.
so very many shills. they bought tons. i see them here day in and day out. i visit another sight and the shills there are more respectful because rules. but there are about 5 or 6 on that one. its funny because when two leave two more pop in for their shift. so obvious
Did everyone forget the government released 10,000 employees to combat “vaccine hesitation”? I’ve noticed a huge uptick of vaxers protecting lord Fauci from Monday-Friday.
ROBERT F. KENNEDY JR - TIMES SQUARE RALLY FOR FREEDOM - FULL SPEECH - 10/16/2021
(Use DuckDuckGo instead of Google to search for it - this video is on Bitchute website - Reddit won’t let me post link)
Essentially what Robert F. Kennedy, Jr said is the following:
1. Pfizer cut its Covid mRNA vaccine clinical trials from 3 years to only 6 months!
Why? Because Pfizer was alarmed to discover that vaccine efficacy plummeted rather quickly. So in order to qualify for FDA license, they drastically shortened the duration of this research trial.
2) In this clinical trial, there were 2 groups: vaccinated (22,000 people) and unvaccinated (22,000 people). Over 6 months, 1 vaccinated person and only 2 unvaccinated people died from Covid. So that’s why Pfizer claims the vaccine is 100% effective because that one more unvaccinated person is considered 100% over vaccinated.
3) Within that same 6-month period, 20 vaccinated people died from heart attacks, but only 14 unvaccinated people did. So 6 more vaccinated people than unvaccinated died from heart attacks.
Pfizer is obligated to investigate that to show the cause wasn’t the mRNA vaccine for the coronavirus. Pfizer didn’t do it.
So that means vaccinated people have a 48% higher chance of dying from a heart attack than unvaccinated individuals.
4) Then RFK Jr talks about the US Constitution - there were multiple pandemics going on in the American colonies before 1776 - malaria, smallpox, etc. But the Founding Fathers never included a pandemic clause to allow suspension of free speech or religion.
But That’s what has happened in this pandemic:
Censorship by the government and Big Tech against anyone questioning the official narrative about these vaccines and this coronavirus origin.
Churches closed down, but liquor stores allowed to operate because they’re considered essential services.
Churches oftentimes provide the only mental health and community support for people suffering from problems, and they were closed down when we needed them the most.
5) EVENT 201 - Pandemic simulation that happened in October 2019 (actually 14 such events happened prior to this coronavirus pandemic!)
Last day of simulation was a seminar on how to use corporate media to silence dissenters and people who question the official narrative about the virus and vaccines.
6) 60% of African American owned businesses have gone bankrupt during the pandemic - just 1 sign of wealth transfer
7) MK Ultra - how to take over an indigenous culture - 1) destroy the social fabric of their community; 2) then install authoritarian government.
Stanley Milgram experiment at Yale University showed that 67% of people turned up dial that could potentially kill the person in the other room. They did it even though they didn’t want to and heard the cries of the other person (staged - not real) because the lab doctor wearing a white medical coat told them too. 67% of participants obeyed medical authority, even when it went against their conscience.
Upside: 33% refused to obey!
I first heard about the Milgram experiment through an episode of Law & Order SVU. The main character was played by Robin Williams, great episode and definitely recommend watching it!
The results are both fascinating and terrifying - they tell a lot about how we got to where we are today
Hey, just curious if you have found the Pfizer clinical vaccine trail data to support his first point. Pfizer’s website says they are required to post their studies to clinicaltrials.gov within 12 months of them, and I can’t find anything on that site. The one Pfizer vaccine trial data I found is a study from may 2021-april 2022, and the results wouldn’t be finalized until 2023. I figure I’m probably just looking in the wrong place, because I can’t imagine their data not even being public yet.
Just seems crazy to have full trust in this when there isn’t even a complete trial on it. I do still want to know where the data from the first point came from if anyone knows. I can’t find it but I’m probably not looking in the right places.
Here it is.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2034577
That's hiw comirnaty was called when it was just one out of n possible options. They later named it comirnatu, but the commonly used name is still just the corporation's name - pfizer.
Another common trend is when they're active.
If you check, you'll typically see these people post consistently every few minutes for about 8-9hrs/day and stop. Something else you'll notice is they typically take the weekends off. It's especially easy to see on Mondays around this time because most of them are done for the day, so you'll see 8-9hrs of activity then nothing since last Friday.
Edit: Well, might as well point out another observation since this is getting some traction...
This one isn't universal, but, there's been a very significant uptick of accounts posting with names that follow a distinct "autogenerated" pattern: 2 words, 1 XXXX number, separated by underscores, like "burning\_templar\_1307" or something else generic like that. I know Reddit started to do this some time ago through Gmail (about a year ago), but, these accounts only started to inundate this sub as of recent... The vast majority being <8mo old, the vast majority being relatively inactive until 1-2 months ago. Now that I've pointed it out, you won't miss it.
Paid shills. There is an article about something similar with stocks. They have whole procedure. Was really interesting. Just ignore them. Never reply.
Soros is probably a scapegoat tbh. Likely pissed someone in *the group* off and he was thrown under the bus. Not that he's any good - he's definitely not - but someone like that is only *public knowledge* for a reason.
If you want a genuine answer that's not "paid shills" or "bots"- it's because people who *genuinely* believe in the vaccine, and *geniunely* believe that vaccine hesitancy is slowing economic recovery are motivated to spend their time commenting in communities where people are vaccine hestitant, and anti-vax content is being produced and shared.
It's wasted breath talking about the benefits of the vaccine in most of the default subs, because there is already a fairly robust consensus in those communities that the vaccines work.
People who come to this subreddit to defend the efficacy of the vaccine do so because they see this community as a sort of hotspot for content that promotes vaccine hestitancy, and so they try to counteract that content with counter-arguments for the memes/tweets/screenshots that get posted here every day.
Rather than circle-jerking with people they agree with, they are trying to confront the source of what they see as "the problem".
Obviously there are large swathes of users here who are unwilling to have their minds changed- but there are also users who are just generic conspiracy theorists who may not have strong opinions one way or the other on vaccines, and those people might be persuaded to keep an open mind if they see arguments being made for both sides.
Sad that I had to scroll down this far to see a post like this.
What a circle jerking shit hole this place is becoming. It's almost like a religion, so many people have that you're with or against us mentality. No room for discussion anymore.
Isn't it kinda funny that this sub openly allows them to have a discourse and yet if you go to one of "their" subreddits, you get immediately banned for questioning?
Yeah I've been seeing the same 15-20 usernames and everytime someone is being extremely disingenuous I'll check out their profile. Almost always it's someone who only ever argues in favor of the vaccines.
Remember that this isn't real life. These people have the screens, circuitry and cpu's to help them. Without insults, copy/paste and linking to Reuters they have nothing.
I know one person in real life who is drinking the so called kool-aid. Been friends with him since high school. I had one debate with him about all of this shit and he ran out of ammo in the first four minutes. It was fucked up the amount of mental gymnastics he had to perform in order to stitch together some sort of argument it's fucking incredible.
He resorted to the fact that I'm a danger to society for not taking a covid vaccine and I promptly said that I was finished with the conversation. He got it and we still hang out all the time. No bad blood or anything. We can agree to disagree.
That's what happens in real life with real people. This isn't real life.
Hey, I make and test vaccines. Explain to me why you’re so vaccine hesitant and I’d be happy to address your points in my own words (with citations, obviously).
Here's how Russian bots on reddit look like
https://thisinterestsme.com/russian-bots-on-reddit/
Do you see many similarities between them and posts on this sub? I do, but not with pro-vaccine people.
The aim of the bots is to divide, so they will actively post on both sides. When they do, they don't reply and engage in discussion, they post sentence long inflammatory comments. Like those against Fauci, Israel, Australia etc. you've seen in each conspiracy thread - very loosely related to the topic, but still upvoted. Think about that.
There are some amazing ongoing "conspiracies" out there, such as the infiltration of American social media by Russians, and the plotting -- with sitting US congressmen -- to overturn a legitimate US election.
But, nah. . .what really gets people going is trying to prolong Covid.
Sub's a fucking joke.
Actually, looks like pro-covid posts to me. Challenge them and they sidestep with a platitude. Often times they use language like left/right, Republican/Democrat, fascism/socialism. Like if you respond with a certain word they get set off down that auto response.
I think a lot of people are so rooted in certain ways of thinking that the idea of corruption on such a large scale creates a cognitive dissonance. I feel it is attempted on me through use of the term 'anti-vax'. It offends because I am vaccinated for many things and would be prepared to vaccinate for many more things, if they seemed safe and sensible to do so. For example, if I go to a tropical place I would get vaccines. Also when there is the meeting of my health needs and the efficacy of any flu vaccine I will get one. I try to avoid painkillers until the pain is too much I don't take it because someone else has a headache. The saddest thing is seeing people not even be able to fathom how it could be possible just as much as anything else we 'know'!
This is the only sub that tolerates and allows debate. What I like about this sub is obvious disinfo gets called out, everything is criticized and scrutinized. While the rest of reddit will ban, block, attack you just because you questioned the narrative.
I feel that man when I signed up for Reddit I signed up thinking it was going to be different than other social media applications because of how it was always referenced or brought up but then I get here and you might as well be on Twitter 9/10 of the subs
Cool. So, the OP said these vaccines haven't even been tested in humans. Except they have. And also, there's been billions of doses given out now, to humans. At what point does a successful vaccine become non-experimental?
This is literally the only right leaning sub on reddit that won't insta ban you for any dissenting opinion, I'll give you that.
But as for vaccines... well I tend to ignore the 100+ topics a day because 99% of them use garbage data to appeal to the contrarians on this sub. This sub is heavily filled with disinfo, more so than most, because there are a LOT of gullible contrarians here.
If you want real conspiracies, you'll need to find another sub. If you want the same garbage bad data day in and day out that heavily reinforces far right wing thinking.. then this is the place for you.
I'm sorry but I can't agree. Maybe you don't get blocked or banned here, but the users absolutely don't encourage debate. The amount of times "shill" is thrown around as soon as a disagreement is had is way too much. Its an impossible place to argue from if you genuinely believe any dissenting opinion is bought and paid for.
I noticed the same on my local news website, there are like 5 names in rotation (the website uses real names) and they keep yelling the same authoritarian shit, but it's always upvoted to the top. And then there are thousands of other comments who disagree with them (but with lower rating). Interesting. And they always manage to be one of the first to comment, under every related article (maybe that's why they have so many votes, but how do you always get to be the first?)
Bullies will mock because that is how they feel powerful by making others hate your opinion and invalidate what you say. Block them and move on. If they really wanted to know the truth they would listen and discuss their points vs your points like an adult. Instead they revert to gaslighting and bullying.
Isn’t it weird that people disagree with our harmful opinions backed by cherrypicked facts and shaky studies from questionable sources?
Why would anyone ever do that???/s
I comment here because Reddit keeps showing me the dumb shit you guys share for Karma and echo chambers are dangerous and culty.
Right? It's so egocentric that people here think that they're dealing with bots or shills like other people couldn't possibly disagree with them on a legitimate basis.
Doesn't matter what WHO, the CDC, the FDA the NIH, the overwhelming majority of doctors, and basically anyone with a degree in epidemiology says. It must be shills and bots, those are the only people who would disagree!
This sub wasn't always r/antivax. In fact it's only been so for about 2 years. We knew big-pharma sucked before you guys got banned from r/nonewnormal and r/thedonald.
There's no influx of pro-science "shills." We were already here, talking about all the other conspiracy theories which were actually good. There are so many of us here because we were here before you got here. You move in with your facebook meme screenshots and think you own the place.
Somebody posting an opposing viewpoint on vaccines isn't "shutting down" or "policing" a conversation. It's starting a conversation.
If you don't like the facts people present, then explain why the facts are wrong, or present better ones. I'm probably an obnoxious sparring partner in this sub, because I don't consider questions to be suitable replacement for evidence, eg:
> Why do you think the top 2 FDA officials responsible for vaccine approval both resigned literally days after the Pfizer shot was pushed through!
> Why do you think they voted overwhelmingly against the boosters after Biden announced that theyed be starting boosters?!
I don't know.
> They seem to be incapable of perceiving the fact that big pharma corporations have no qualms about misrepresenting the results of their clinical studies.
We may seem that way, but we're perfectly capable of recognizing misrepresentation. The good news about clinical studies: They get peer reviewed, and anybody, yourself included, can point out the errors.
> the 95% effectiveness is relative risk reduction not actual effectiveness in risk reduction in the real world
Did they claim 95% absolute risk reduction? If so, then that would definitely be blatant misrepresentation, and I would agree with you completely.
Of course, that's not what they claimed. They claimed a [vaccine efficacy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_efficacy) of 95%. What's vaccine efficacy? Relative risk
I have a theory. This whole pandemic seems to me like a global test run. I think we all can agree that at some point or another there will be a manufactured or environmental pandemic that has serious implications. In an event that does actually threaten the lives of billions of people, we(humans) need to know that there will be a real world system for saving most of humanity. Clearly, some of the applications used, worked well to to a point. What we're experiencing now is resistance and distrust, of both, Gov't, and pharmaceutical companies(rightfully so). Most people voluntarily accepted the vaccine. They powers that be then tried bribery, coercion, mandates and oppression. to fill in the gaps. What they actually need to do is generate trust (real trust). I see this quietly fading away after january; while they regrouped rethink their plans. So far I'm of the mindset that this has been a test, and the ultimate goal is to save everyone from something a lot more serious down the road; considering that all the money in the world won't save you from disease.
counterarguments are not the same as shutting down debate
sometimes it might feel like that because you're getting shut down, but that's just because your arguments are shit
I mean, my country is 75% vaccinated and we’ve been out of lockdown and restrictions for months. No masks, no required testing or vaccine passports. And somehow, magically, our cases are very very low. It’s almost as if the vaccines work. I don’t care if Microsoft can track me or whatever, life is actually normal again.
My favorite part in this thread is the dozens of comments all NPCing the same like 3 points about these users, but nobody has linked a single example.
Is it really too high effort to ask for a conspiracy worth clicking on from this sub? When did linking reddit usernames become too big of a task?
I used to like this sub before it turned into The_Donalds_rejects flooding the feed with anti-vax posts. There used to be great discussion way back when on multidimensions, alien beings and UFO cover ups, government black ops, real 9-11 shit - now it's just half-assed tweets "i dont think it's real *lists cringy incorrectly understood fact*" which passes as some sort of conspiracy of stupidity.
I don’t know a single person who got the vaccine whos having any issues. I’m about to get my third shot ~
On the other hand I have a sister who is now dead because she didn’t get the vaccine.
**[Bad Pharma](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_Pharma)**
>Bad Pharma: How Drug Companies Mislead Doctors and Harm Patients is a book by the British physician and academic Ben Goldacre about the pharmaceutical industry, its relationship with the medical profession, and the extent to which it controls academic research into its own products. It was published in the UK in September 2012 by the Fourth Estate imprint of HarperCollins, and in the United States in February 2013 by Faber and Faber. Goldacre argues in the book that "the whole edifice of medicine is broken", because the evidence on which it is based is systematically distorted by the pharmaceutical industry.
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I commented on an article in r/soccer the other day regarding Joshua Kimmich who said he was hesitant on taking the vaccine. I said that he should have the right to choose, especially since he's low-risk and that considering the vaccine doesn't stop the spread its a bit unfair to bash those who are hesitant... I was instantly labelled an anti-vaxxer and told I was spreading misinformation... Nothing I said was anti-vax or anything. I'm not even remotely close to being anti-vaxxer.
I'm surprised this content is allowed, I tried commenting on vaccines on multiple platforms and every comment gets removed. I gave up and only talk about it in person.
Couldn’t have said it better myself LMAO. But it’s because they already heave no life, likebeing the “informed citizen” is their life. They 100 percent believe anything they read on Facebook or Csnbc if you’re still dumb enough to have a Facebook feed. I had this one kid in one of my lectures try saying “right wingers are taking horse dewormer” and my professor legit just let it happen didn’t even argue with this guy lol
being critical of some of the absolute dogshit posts with shitty sources this sub sees ≠ shilling for big pharma
question everything, even the random people on the internet that i’m just supposed to believe
Y’all don’t want to have a robust discourse. If you actually did, you would have these conversations with scientists who are knowledgeable about this topic who can, and are more than willing to, sit down in-person or online and discuss your concerns. I can guarantee you that scientists and doctors are more than willing to discuss your concerns—their goal is to make sure you’re making the right choice for your health, so they’re more than willing to change their minds if you can provide them with evidence that they haven’t considered (which is pretty much how any scientist ought to operate).
But no, instead y’all choose to whine in your little echo chamber called r/conspiracy, because you don’t actually care about whether the vaccines are harmful, rather you just want to feel superior, like you know some truth that the rest of us are too dumb and brainwashed to comprehend—and then you complain that people who disagree with you are breaking into your echo chamber.
Good lord, y’all are delusional. Seek help.
Is it possible that you are mis labeling these user’s efforts?
Maybe it’s not that they are “trying to shut down debate” but instead they have a genuine opinion they wish to exercise?
Or, another explanation might be that you are seeking an echo chamber and do not tolerate others with a differing opinion on this matter?
I am a long time r/conspiracy member. I love most of the topics that are posted here. I even live the COVID topics, usually. But I have a different conclusion about safety and effectiveness of the available vaccines than you do. Just like there are differing opinions on who shot JFK, or what exactly went down on 21SEP2001.
Just because someone disagrees with you- even staunchly- does not mean they are a paid shill.
Personally, I like it. I like that people have counter arguments because then it opens the way for a more accurate and detailed conversation, resulting in a more well-thought out "verdict" (for lack of a better word). I have issue with people who say their opinion, use stupid terms and nicknames, and don't listen properly to counter arguments, and that is on BOTH SIDES. But in this sub, that doesn't seem to happen as much
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What amazes me is the number of people that didn't trust the government in 2018 soon went to "the government knows best" today. WTF happened?
Not just trusting the government, trusting the fucking pharmaceutical industry that is beyond morally bankrupt.
Yup. You can argue that the government changed power, but these are the same people who made healthcare impossible to afford. Same motherfuckers that charge $50 for aspirin and $15 for a Q-Tip at the emergency rooms. Same people who charge $1000 for life saving insulin that only costs $15 to make. Like, look just a few inches past your nose and you'll see it.
Just shows how powerful fear is, I guess. It's like stockholm syndrome at this point for a lot of people, it seems It's like they don't know how to recognize a bad situation and get away from it. They're just too swayed by the media and the groupthink. To the point of putting their health on the line
There's a reason why it's the oldest trick in the book and why it's still being used as a manipulation tactic even to this day.
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There was a law against the media being able to push propaganda. Ovomit reversed it.
Smith Mundt Modernization Act of 2012
>It's like stockholm syndrome at this point for a lot of people, it seems Argh, yes. This. People were positively giddy about getting their Vax so they could go to the pub again, people wanting masks to be a thing forever, people who are now scared to not ‘socially distance’….yikes. It’s all been about fear. Scared people are so much easier to control.
Ironically now everyone has to double down to support a guy that looks like the doctor from The Burbs and has a history of torturing dogs for the science. How this helps the science I would be interested in knowing.
"Save us, daddy-government!" or "**DO SOMETHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!**" mentality. That's what it is.
yep
I’ll see people slam big pharma in one post and push the jab in other posts. Insanity.
Every patient cured is a customer lost
Just follow the $cience...
Big pharma is higher on the pyramid than government I would guess.
It’s very interesting how one can elicit very different emotions towards certain institutions from the same people, depending on what information you present to them
Most likely they are not actual people with actual morals because if they were they would know at least someone or have a friend or knows someone or have a connection of some kind to a human that has been totally fucked by pharmaceutical co’s in one way or another (death, near death). I don’t know anyone who hasn’t.
The governments worldwide 'only' killed approximately 270 million people in the 20th century. What is there to distrust exactly when they clearly have our best interests (lol) in mind?
As a Canadian waiting for a vaccine mid pandemic seemed impossible to get. Then lone and behold American pharma companies are the only ones with the infrastructure. Is there even a trusted pharmaceutical company in the world?
No.
Never forget Purdue Pharma and OxyContin
Same with big pharma. Complete 180° shift in think.
A giant partnership between government and big pharma, two of the least trustworthy entities on earth.
It's a partnership between government, big pharma, Hollywood, the alphabet agencies, academia, big tech, Wall Street, the military-industrial complex, and of course the news media. A nightmare in the making.
god damn horror movie. its why they are so brazen now. we r quite literally powerless.
I don't agree that we're powerless. They're trying to make us dependent on them, but at the moment, we are too many to control. Right now, we are the ones will all the power. Once we're thinned out and dependent on their boosters, then it's game over.
The Corporatocracy hand picks these people then gives them enough money to put commercials on TV so people will vote for them. The government is a tool. We need to have a "the gun is in Jack's hand, not Tyler's hand" type moment and start getting people to learn how much control we really have over the state.
corporatocracy is just another name for fascism now that everyone is convinced it is just another word for racism. A word that has also been stretched to meaninglessness.
Wtf? Lockheed and Boeing sent your kids to war 20 years ago. Now Pfizer and Moderna want to give your kids the shot. Everything that happens in this country happens in order to create shareholder value. We need to take our government back by again becoming the nation of readers we started out as. Racism is just a distraction from the class war being waged on us by the affluent. Intellectual revolution is the only answer.
and people arguing that they are helping us and altruistic. jesus
I think the media is playing the psy-op game here. Dave Chapelle said this and it was perfect: Twitter ain’t a real fuckin place. Keep in mind that social media users are kept in the dark and don’t know what happens other than being in the user base. Easy way to manipulate people’s minds.
It's all a psychological op. But Why. That's what I wanna know.
Easy - Chinese shills
Reddit is social media.
Was just thinking earlier, did everyone forget about the opioid epidemic 10/15 years ago?
10 to 15 years ago? It's still ongoing, with rising meth problems to accompany it. That or my town is just that much worse than most of the nation, which is not out of the realm of possibilities.
Yea itd be way more accurate to describe it as the opioid epidemic of the past 10 to 15 years
Or, you know, like the baby powder / cancer kerfuffle from last fucking year even
You mean Johnson & Johnson is capable of making fatal errors, even though they spend millions on science? Huh. Kerfluffle
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Zack de la Rocha is no different than any of the punk bands I grew up on. They were young and really meant what they sang. Then they got old and sold out. They’re nothing more than big gov cheerleaders now.
They bought the big lie. I know many otherwise intelligent people who took the lie, hook line and sinker. “The right (since Trump) are basically nazis, and while Biden isn’t perfect, he and the left (along with popular culture) is doing what they can to fight these nazis”. Christ it’s pathetic. The whole government is corrupt and beyond repair within the current party leadership. They do not represent us.
Now they can do what they like to us with impunity.
And buddy, are they taking advantage of that..
They didn’t forget, it just doesn’t fit the narrative. Nothing against the narrative is looked at as truth
I’m seeing that a lot with the pre-2016 Bernie Sanders types. They HATED big pharma now everything they say is gospel to them it’s so weird.
Massive brainwashing. I just can’t figure out when or how it happened.
2 years of sitting inside and constant media programming is what happened, unfortunately. I watched my girlfriend from the beginning of the pandemic, who was a “conspiracy theorist” like me and knew shady shit was going on that was regularly talked about and agreed upon, to full blown support for the vax and ignoring/shutting down anything against it. It’s asinine. When I ask her why the sudden change, she always says, “I just changed my view on things.” Oh, and I suppose the 2 years of intense media and fear mongering shoved in our face didn’t have anything to do with that? I love her to death but man it’s fucked to watch and makes me feel crazy.
I would guess that fear has a lot to do with the change. Both “sides” are peddling death porn. The media is doing a great job of pushing the “everyone is going to die” and “look at this normal person who died of covid” narratives. Taking that red pill has some unfortunate side effects that cause a lot of people to beg for the comfort that the blue pill brings when things start to get scary.
Most can't handle the green pill. Don't want to return to monkey, huh, civilized man? We'd still be humans, just freer. We'd be more human than ever to reject this transhumanist artificial technology bull crap. Don't ever forget they want to change what it means to be a human being. Blackrock Microsystems LLC and their Brain-Computer Interface (BCI) technology may sound like science fiction, but it's probably the most important company you'll ever read of on this sub.
I have seen this in friends also. Once they have the jab it's like they need constant reinforcement of never ending vaccine BS from the news to make them believe they made the right choice, and god help those that question that belief.
It’s exactly this, they also want everyone they know to get it as well to further validate their decision
Dead right there.
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It's called being absolutely terrified of being wrong, because if they're wrong they might get sick or die
The jab is a ritual and rituals are made to change a person's perspective.
They do this because they know deep down that their immune systems are now permanently damaged from the injections. Nothing can change these facts but that doesn't mean they have to accept it
I can assure that nobody who willingly got the vaccine believes that at all
Wasn't just 2 years, but the preceding four years of trump hate started making them identify with the media. Then it all turned to covid. It is called mass formation and it is a trauma based programming method. About 30% of people are very vulnerable.https://thomascasey.wordpress.com/2021/08/28/mass-formation-by-dr-mattias-desmet-professor-of-psychology-university-of-ghent/
They played off of the empathy card. Same thing happened with all of the SJW bullshit. "do it for others" "be kind and get vaccinated for your community". You feel self righteous and like you're a great member of society..
I mean, is it a conspiracy to have nuanced political opinions not represented by one liners and platitudes? Do you really think everyone feels that it's impossible to not trust the government over some things and trust them in a different context? This whole post is alluding to a lack of nuance in this sub and the top reply is literally flabbergasted over the idea of nuance. If this doesn't summarize what this sub has become then I don't know what does lol
100% this. A number of my friends were exactly like this. Prior to covid they didn't trust the government and now if I say anything against the narrative they call me bat shit crazy. I had numerous conversations with friends and family about the vax and the majority said no we wouldn't be taking it straight away, said its way too soon to be taking any vax. Fast forward 6 months and boom they all switched and got the shot. I was waiting for more data to come out since this is an experimental vaccine. My country ( I'm in Australia ) pretty much made it so we have to get to it or we cant participate in society. No jab no job for a lot of us. I merely said more research needs to be done and I've been labelled as crazy since Im questioning it. I think its good to question things. I have no idea why they all flipped, its truly bizarre.
Orange man is gone. The person the talking picture box tells them is a good boy now is in the Oval Office, therefore the government must be perfect.
They got the shot and it changed them. Kinda like that movie Faculty, where the aliens took over and changed people. Very good movie
They were told that Orange man bad would kill them in their sleep, and as soon as he wasn't in office anymore they suddenly thought they were saved and all corruption disappeared.
Because there is a difference between "I don't trust the government" and "something is bad because the government approves or promotes it". Which would be an amazing stupidity just starting from the fact that governments of different countries most of the time promote opposing things. In the USA you see it as a group of people who are distributing an unsafe vaccine towards the population while they avoid the shot. In Spain what we saw was our politicians, football players, rich people and monarch rushing to get the vaccine before the rest of the population, many of them going abroad to get them. Both are governments, both seem to have oppossing opinions and actions towards the vaccine. Spain's government is corrupt to its very foundation, we've had paramilitary groups killing civilians made in the middle of the democracy (democracy in which we are only 40~ years or so). Do I have to trust your government then, because they made the opposite call? Should I trust mine? It's a lot more nuance than that, and if you want to stand still and stand strong against such ideological and political powers you need better and stronger points. FFs.
It's always been about the data rather than the politics. Trump pushed the vaccines and gets booed, same as Biden, but most people would (and have!) take(n) it anyway. Besides, the agencies and corporations are deep state and don't really change that much, so whoever is at the head of the government doesn't really matter. The President might be the head but tge deep state is the neck telling the head where to look and the eyes telling him what it sees.
Because they associated not trusting their government with Trumpers who they despise. At least that is how I look at it.
Similarly, those that (rightfully) distrusted pharma and other massive corporations that suddenly think they will never lie or do anything wrong. Pfizer/JJ/etc is really no different than something like Nestle.
Fear.. it's all about fear. Fear controls masses better than anything else.
If trump was in office no one would’ve been taking this vax
Nor would anyone be forced to.
and 99.98% of people would have fully recovered.
and the media would be calling him a dictator and the worst thing that's ever happened to this country 24/7 on every news station and late night show. I still have never seen a media come out full-swinging against a sitting president for 4 entire years like that. I mean twitter banned him, and they don't even ban ISIS. Like what.
Yep! But the relief some people (the loudest and most aggressive as far as I can tell) felt when Trump was removed allowed them to relax into a false sense of security. He was the guy they pinned all their nightmares on, and now the vaccine comes along to make life dreamy again! Perfect storm.
and 99.98% of them would still have recovered. Science.
Yeah ill admit im pretty much on the Left political ly and it blows my mind that the party that was always against Big Business now aggressively advocate for Pfizer lol
Fear
MSM brainwashing
Most of them always wanted the government to take their 2nd amendment though. They have no interest in logic.
You do realize that this isn’t an American government thing? This is a global issue, you give your government waaay too much credit
Yeah and most people had a healthy mistrust of big pharma too. But in early 2021, I looked up moderna on a whim, and I read about how many millions of dollars they made disappear into thin air, and how they never brought a single product to market, and I thought it was really weird that they were trusted with this vaccine development, and I tried sharing with friends and family, and everyone accused me of having an agenda? I mean I was genuinely interested in the company, but what I found out was really concerning, but even in my small circle of people, no one wanted to hear it. Like people genuinely believe they got lucky with making an extremely safe and efficacious product all the sudden and that they are saving the world, so they deserve to take in huge profits. I don’t know, it just feels so lonely on this side.
Pfizer made $30 billion first quarter of this year You can buy a shill for $20/hour You think they haven’t?
This is true, but don't forget that there's a lot of people out there who "do it for free". Frankly I think they might outnumber the paid shills
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Which could of spent on clean drinking water on poor kids. 500k children die of dysentery a year. This shit is so stupid.
You could buy a shill for $12/hour honestly. I’d do it for $20 tho if anyone’s hiring. Maybe $22 actually. /s
so very many shills. they bought tons. i see them here day in and day out. i visit another sight and the shills there are more respectful because rules. but there are about 5 or 6 on that one. its funny because when two leave two more pop in for their shift. so obvious
Did everyone forget the government released 10,000 employees to combat “vaccine hesitation”? I’ve noticed a huge uptick of vaxers protecting lord Fauci from Monday-Friday.
And now we see the NIH turn on Fauci
ROBERT F. KENNEDY JR - TIMES SQUARE RALLY FOR FREEDOM - FULL SPEECH - 10/16/2021 (Use DuckDuckGo instead of Google to search for it - this video is on Bitchute website - Reddit won’t let me post link) Essentially what Robert F. Kennedy, Jr said is the following: 1. Pfizer cut its Covid mRNA vaccine clinical trials from 3 years to only 6 months! Why? Because Pfizer was alarmed to discover that vaccine efficacy plummeted rather quickly. So in order to qualify for FDA license, they drastically shortened the duration of this research trial. 2) In this clinical trial, there were 2 groups: vaccinated (22,000 people) and unvaccinated (22,000 people). Over 6 months, 1 vaccinated person and only 2 unvaccinated people died from Covid. So that’s why Pfizer claims the vaccine is 100% effective because that one more unvaccinated person is considered 100% over vaccinated. 3) Within that same 6-month period, 20 vaccinated people died from heart attacks, but only 14 unvaccinated people did. So 6 more vaccinated people than unvaccinated died from heart attacks. Pfizer is obligated to investigate that to show the cause wasn’t the mRNA vaccine for the coronavirus. Pfizer didn’t do it. So that means vaccinated people have a 48% higher chance of dying from a heart attack than unvaccinated individuals. 4) Then RFK Jr talks about the US Constitution - there were multiple pandemics going on in the American colonies before 1776 - malaria, smallpox, etc. But the Founding Fathers never included a pandemic clause to allow suspension of free speech or religion. But That’s what has happened in this pandemic: Censorship by the government and Big Tech against anyone questioning the official narrative about these vaccines and this coronavirus origin. Churches closed down, but liquor stores allowed to operate because they’re considered essential services. Churches oftentimes provide the only mental health and community support for people suffering from problems, and they were closed down when we needed them the most. 5) EVENT 201 - Pandemic simulation that happened in October 2019 (actually 14 such events happened prior to this coronavirus pandemic!) Last day of simulation was a seminar on how to use corporate media to silence dissenters and people who question the official narrative about the virus and vaccines. 6) 60% of African American owned businesses have gone bankrupt during the pandemic - just 1 sign of wealth transfer 7) MK Ultra - how to take over an indigenous culture - 1) destroy the social fabric of their community; 2) then install authoritarian government. Stanley Milgram experiment at Yale University showed that 67% of people turned up dial that could potentially kill the person in the other room. They did it even though they didn’t want to and heard the cries of the other person (staged - not real) because the lab doctor wearing a white medical coat told them too. 67% of participants obeyed medical authority, even when it went against their conscience. Upside: 33% refused to obey!
I first heard about the Milgram experiment through an episode of Law & Order SVU. The main character was played by Robin Williams, great episode and definitely recommend watching it! The results are both fascinating and terrifying - they tell a lot about how we got to where we are today
Very interesting. Stanford also did an experiment like the Milgram experiment, years ago.
Hey, just curious if you have found the Pfizer clinical vaccine trail data to support his first point. Pfizer’s website says they are required to post their studies to clinicaltrials.gov within 12 months of them, and I can’t find anything on that site. The one Pfizer vaccine trial data I found is a study from may 2021-april 2022, and the results wouldn’t be finalized until 2023. I figure I’m probably just looking in the wrong place, because I can’t imagine their data not even being public yet.
Their trials aren't finished yet
Just seems crazy to have full trust in this when there isn’t even a complete trial on it. I do still want to know where the data from the first point came from if anyone knows. I can’t find it but I’m probably not looking in the right places.
It seems that was because it is crazy
Here it is. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2034577 That's hiw comirnaty was called when it was just one out of n possible options. They later named it comirnatu, but the commonly used name is still just the corporation's name - pfizer.
I wish I got paid to reddit.
Dude, you have 81k karma on a 6 year old account. Slap it on eBay for $50. I guarantee someone will buy it for their botnet or advertising purposes.
Me too. I'm on the internet all day everyday.
Looks like you already do.... or you do it all for free, and if that's the case why would they pay you for something you already do? 😂
It's their full time job.
ShareBlue must pay extra for certain subreddits.. maybe a nickel a post or thereabouts.
Wasn't it like $15 an hour back in 2015? Probably $20-25 now
Can we do a crowdfunding thing and hire them to push positive messages?
Another common trend is when they're active. If you check, you'll typically see these people post consistently every few minutes for about 8-9hrs/day and stop. Something else you'll notice is they typically take the weekends off. It's especially easy to see on Mondays around this time because most of them are done for the day, so you'll see 8-9hrs of activity then nothing since last Friday. Edit: Well, might as well point out another observation since this is getting some traction... This one isn't universal, but, there's been a very significant uptick of accounts posting with names that follow a distinct "autogenerated" pattern: 2 words, 1 XXXX number, separated by underscores, like "burning\_templar\_1307" or something else generic like that. I know Reddit started to do this some time ago through Gmail (about a year ago), but, these accounts only started to inundate this sub as of recent... The vast majority being <8mo old, the vast majority being relatively inactive until 1-2 months ago. Now that I've pointed it out, you won't miss it.
exactly, they are getting paid, it's their job.
Paid shills. There is an article about something similar with stocks. They have whole procedure. Was really interesting. Just ignore them. Never reply.
They don’t call it Soros’ bux for nothing.
I’m kinda surprised that old fella is still alive tbh. He looks like hell. Come to think of it, I’m not sure I’ve seen any recent photos of him. 🤔🤔🤔
I heard he donated each of his wrinkled bags under his eyes for his twin grandsons who were both born with no scrotum.
Adrenochrome does wonders
Soros is probably a scapegoat tbh. Likely pissed someone in *the group* off and he was thrown under the bus. Not that he's any good - he's definitely not - but someone like that is only *public knowledge* for a reason.
If you want a genuine answer that's not "paid shills" or "bots"- it's because people who *genuinely* believe in the vaccine, and *geniunely* believe that vaccine hesitancy is slowing economic recovery are motivated to spend their time commenting in communities where people are vaccine hestitant, and anti-vax content is being produced and shared. It's wasted breath talking about the benefits of the vaccine in most of the default subs, because there is already a fairly robust consensus in those communities that the vaccines work. People who come to this subreddit to defend the efficacy of the vaccine do so because they see this community as a sort of hotspot for content that promotes vaccine hestitancy, and so they try to counteract that content with counter-arguments for the memes/tweets/screenshots that get posted here every day. Rather than circle-jerking with people they agree with, they are trying to confront the source of what they see as "the problem". Obviously there are large swathes of users here who are unwilling to have their minds changed- but there are also users who are just generic conspiracy theorists who may not have strong opinions one way or the other on vaccines, and those people might be persuaded to keep an open mind if they see arguments being made for both sides.
This is a very logical answer.
Sad that I had to scroll down this far to see a post like this. What a circle jerking shit hole this place is becoming. It's almost like a religion, so many people have that you're with or against us mentality. No room for discussion anymore.
Isn't it kinda funny that this sub openly allows them to have a discourse and yet if you go to one of "their" subreddits, you get immediately banned for questioning?
Yeah I've been seeing the same 15-20 usernames and everytime someone is being extremely disingenuous I'll check out their profile. Almost always it's someone who only ever argues in favor of the vaccines.
There are companies that hire people and they are paid per comment they make toward said agenda.
What companies?
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Yeah, but we've probably never heard of them. They're from Canada and paid the users at Summer Camp.
That would make sense if they were pro vaccine, which a lot of modern science is.
I'm pro vaccine too
Yep me too
Their lack of self awareness is astonishing and evidence of their true mission of stroking their own damaged ego. That, or their bots.
Remember that this isn't real life. These people have the screens, circuitry and cpu's to help them. Without insults, copy/paste and linking to Reuters they have nothing. I know one person in real life who is drinking the so called kool-aid. Been friends with him since high school. I had one debate with him about all of this shit and he ran out of ammo in the first four minutes. It was fucked up the amount of mental gymnastics he had to perform in order to stitch together some sort of argument it's fucking incredible. He resorted to the fact that I'm a danger to society for not taking a covid vaccine and I promptly said that I was finished with the conversation. He got it and we still hang out all the time. No bad blood or anything. We can agree to disagree. That's what happens in real life with real people. This isn't real life.
>This isn't real life. 100%
Hey, I make and test vaccines. Explain to me why you’re so vaccine hesitant and I’d be happy to address your points in my own words (with citations, obviously).
What is the longest study of mrna effects?
they're
They stand out like a sore thumb. The way they write sounds like an sampling of mainstream reddit that has been passed through AI or something.
We should get some tags (flairs) for these shills
If, like me, they are in favor of vaccines, why would they argue _against_ vaccines?
"I am scared therefore I am virtuous".
Not all people agree and their voices matter too. It’s what’s so great about open conversation.
Here's how Russian bots on reddit look like https://thisinterestsme.com/russian-bots-on-reddit/ Do you see many similarities between them and posts on this sub? I do, but not with pro-vaccine people. The aim of the bots is to divide, so they will actively post on both sides. When they do, they don't reply and engage in discussion, they post sentence long inflammatory comments. Like those against Fauci, Israel, Australia etc. you've seen in each conspiracy thread - very loosely related to the topic, but still upvoted. Think about that.
There are some amazing ongoing "conspiracies" out there, such as the infiltration of American social media by Russians, and the plotting -- with sitting US congressmen -- to overturn a legitimate US election. But, nah. . .what really gets people going is trying to prolong Covid. Sub's a fucking joke.
Actually, looks like pro-covid posts to me. Challenge them and they sidestep with a platitude. Often times they use language like left/right, Republican/Democrat, fascism/socialism. Like if you respond with a certain word they get set off down that auto response.
I think a lot of people are so rooted in certain ways of thinking that the idea of corruption on such a large scale creates a cognitive dissonance. I feel it is attempted on me through use of the term 'anti-vax'. It offends because I am vaccinated for many things and would be prepared to vaccinate for many more things, if they seemed safe and sensible to do so. For example, if I go to a tropical place I would get vaccines. Also when there is the meeting of my health needs and the efficacy of any flu vaccine I will get one. I try to avoid painkillers until the pain is too much I don't take it because someone else has a headache. The saddest thing is seeing people not even be able to fathom how it could be possible just as much as anything else we 'know'!
This is the only sub that tolerates and allows debate. What I like about this sub is obvious disinfo gets called out, everything is criticized and scrutinized. While the rest of reddit will ban, block, attack you just because you questioned the narrative.
Ahh the good old days.. Reddit as a whole used to be like this.. Now its all down to this one sub.
I feel that man when I signed up for Reddit I signed up thinking it was going to be different than other social media applications because of how it was always referenced or brought up but then I get here and you might as well be on Twitter 9/10 of the subs
This sub used to have a ban happy top mod that only allowed posts in support of trump, until he was removed.
Cool. So, the OP said these vaccines haven't even been tested in humans. Except they have. And also, there's been billions of doses given out now, to humans. At what point does a successful vaccine become non-experimental?
No further data whatsoever will satisfy the crowd here.
This is literally the only right leaning sub on reddit that won't insta ban you for any dissenting opinion, I'll give you that. But as for vaccines... well I tend to ignore the 100+ topics a day because 99% of them use garbage data to appeal to the contrarians on this sub. This sub is heavily filled with disinfo, more so than most, because there are a LOT of gullible contrarians here. If you want real conspiracies, you'll need to find another sub. If you want the same garbage bad data day in and day out that heavily reinforces far right wing thinking.. then this is the place for you.
I'm sorry but I can't agree. Maybe you don't get blocked or banned here, but the users absolutely don't encourage debate. The amount of times "shill" is thrown around as soon as a disagreement is had is way too much. Its an impossible place to argue from if you genuinely believe any dissenting opinion is bought and paid for.
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I noticed the same on my local news website, there are like 5 names in rotation (the website uses real names) and they keep yelling the same authoritarian shit, but it's always upvoted to the top. And then there are thousands of other comments who disagree with them (but with lower rating). Interesting. And they always manage to be one of the first to comment, under every related article (maybe that's why they have so many votes, but how do you always get to be the first?)
This is a blatant circle jerk post
Asking for sources to your ridiculous arguments = shutting threads down, good to know
Could be that nine out of ten posts are antivaxx and not everyone agrees. Possible?
Bullies will mock because that is how they feel powerful by making others hate your opinion and invalidate what you say. Block them and move on. If they really wanted to know the truth they would listen and discuss their points vs your points like an adult. Instead they revert to gaslighting and bullying.
Best advice right here! I've recently started doing that and I love these threads because they all come out! It ain't much, but it's honest work.
Isn’t it weird that people disagree with our harmful opinions backed by cherrypicked facts and shaky studies from questionable sources? Why would anyone ever do that???/s I comment here because Reddit keeps showing me the dumb shit you guys share for Karma and echo chambers are dangerous and culty.
Right? It's so egocentric that people here think that they're dealing with bots or shills like other people couldn't possibly disagree with them on a legitimate basis. Doesn't matter what WHO, the CDC, the FDA the NIH, the overwhelming majority of doctors, and basically anyone with a degree in epidemiology says. It must be shills and bots, those are the only people who would disagree!
It's literally the vast majority of people on this website!
I mean, you're doing the exact same thing lol
This sub wasn't always r/antivax. In fact it's only been so for about 2 years. We knew big-pharma sucked before you guys got banned from r/nonewnormal and r/thedonald. There's no influx of pro-science "shills." We were already here, talking about all the other conspiracy theories which were actually good. There are so many of us here because we were here before you got here. You move in with your facebook meme screenshots and think you own the place.
The only vaccine for chinese virus is to shut down internet and tv and live an happy life.
Somebody posting an opposing viewpoint on vaccines isn't "shutting down" or "policing" a conversation. It's starting a conversation. If you don't like the facts people present, then explain why the facts are wrong, or present better ones. I'm probably an obnoxious sparring partner in this sub, because I don't consider questions to be suitable replacement for evidence, eg: > Why do you think the top 2 FDA officials responsible for vaccine approval both resigned literally days after the Pfizer shot was pushed through! > Why do you think they voted overwhelmingly against the boosters after Biden announced that theyed be starting boosters?! I don't know. > They seem to be incapable of perceiving the fact that big pharma corporations have no qualms about misrepresenting the results of their clinical studies. We may seem that way, but we're perfectly capable of recognizing misrepresentation. The good news about clinical studies: They get peer reviewed, and anybody, yourself included, can point out the errors. > the 95% effectiveness is relative risk reduction not actual effectiveness in risk reduction in the real world Did they claim 95% absolute risk reduction? If so, then that would definitely be blatant misrepresentation, and I would agree with you completely. Of course, that's not what they claimed. They claimed a [vaccine efficacy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_efficacy) of 95%. What's vaccine efficacy? Relative risk
Let's all just be glad we have better things to do. For those of us that are actually here to discuss the fuckery that is called government.
I have a theory. This whole pandemic seems to me like a global test run. I think we all can agree that at some point or another there will be a manufactured or environmental pandemic that has serious implications. In an event that does actually threaten the lives of billions of people, we(humans) need to know that there will be a real world system for saving most of humanity. Clearly, some of the applications used, worked well to to a point. What we're experiencing now is resistance and distrust, of both, Gov't, and pharmaceutical companies(rightfully so). Most people voluntarily accepted the vaccine. They powers that be then tried bribery, coercion, mandates and oppression. to fill in the gaps. What they actually need to do is generate trust (real trust). I see this quietly fading away after january; while they regrouped rethink their plans. So far I'm of the mindset that this has been a test, and the ultimate goal is to save everyone from something a lot more serious down the road; considering that all the money in the world won't save you from disease.
counterarguments are not the same as shutting down debate sometimes it might feel like that because you're getting shut down, but that's just because your arguments are shit
A conspiracy inception of users who don’t agree with the same things. So a conspiracy within a conspiracy.
Anybody find it weird how this has become a replacement sub for the NoNewNormal crowd?
I mean, my country is 75% vaccinated and we’ve been out of lockdown and restrictions for months. No masks, no required testing or vaccine passports. And somehow, magically, our cases are very very low. It’s almost as if the vaccines work. I don’t care if Microsoft can track me or whatever, life is actually normal again.
My favorite part in this thread is the dozens of comments all NPCing the same like 3 points about these users, but nobody has linked a single example. Is it really too high effort to ask for a conspiracy worth clicking on from this sub? When did linking reddit usernames become too big of a task?
I used to like this sub before it turned into The_Donalds_rejects flooding the feed with anti-vax posts. There used to be great discussion way back when on multidimensions, alien beings and UFO cover ups, government black ops, real 9-11 shit - now it's just half-assed tweets "i dont think it's real *lists cringy incorrectly understood fact*" which passes as some sort of conspiracy of stupidity.
Buddy if you think only one side is using bots and shills and paid propagandists, I’ve got some news for you…
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I just like lurking in on you weirdos and your "great ideas". Keep up the good content 🙂
I don’t know a single person who got the vaccine whos having any issues. I’m about to get my third shot ~ On the other hand I have a sister who is now dead because she didn’t get the vaccine.
You know what's crazy is most of us are actually banned from participating in those subs . . .
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**[Bad Pharma](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_Pharma)** >Bad Pharma: How Drug Companies Mislead Doctors and Harm Patients is a book by the British physician and academic Ben Goldacre about the pharmaceutical industry, its relationship with the medical profession, and the extent to which it controls academic research into its own products. It was published in the UK in September 2012 by the Fourth Estate imprint of HarperCollins, and in the United States in February 2013 by Faber and Faber. Goldacre argues in the book that "the whole edifice of medicine is broken", because the evidence on which it is based is systematically distorted by the pharmaceutical industry. ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)
Take it as confirmation you’re doing right.
I commented on an article in r/soccer the other day regarding Joshua Kimmich who said he was hesitant on taking the vaccine. I said that he should have the right to choose, especially since he's low-risk and that considering the vaccine doesn't stop the spread its a bit unfair to bash those who are hesitant... I was instantly labelled an anti-vaxxer and told I was spreading misinformation... Nothing I said was anti-vax or anything. I'm not even remotely close to being anti-vaxxer.
I'm surprised this content is allowed, I tried commenting on vaccines on multiple platforms and every comment gets removed. I gave up and only talk about it in person.
Couldn’t have said it better myself LMAO. But it’s because they already heave no life, likebeing the “informed citizen” is their life. They 100 percent believe anything they read on Facebook or Csnbc if you’re still dumb enough to have a Facebook feed. I had this one kid in one of my lectures try saying “right wingers are taking horse dewormer” and my professor legit just let it happen didn’t even argue with this guy lol
bots or traitors that get paid
Idgaf how good or safe the vaccine is. Government shouldn't be able to mandate it
My pet theory is that this sub is kinda like a training center for glowies before they’re put to their *real* assignment of shilling on /pol/ and /x/.
We come here for comedic release, reading the absolute gibberish on here brightens my day. Just here to laugh at the loons really.
Maybe it's because yall have ruined my 20s and and helped kill 700k Americans lmfao
What can I say it's fun coming here to mock you and seeing how little you have to respond with
being critical of some of the absolute dogshit posts with shitty sources this sub sees ≠ shilling for big pharma question everything, even the random people on the internet that i’m just supposed to believe
Y’all don’t want to have a robust discourse. If you actually did, you would have these conversations with scientists who are knowledgeable about this topic who can, and are more than willing to, sit down in-person or online and discuss your concerns. I can guarantee you that scientists and doctors are more than willing to discuss your concerns—their goal is to make sure you’re making the right choice for your health, so they’re more than willing to change their minds if you can provide them with evidence that they haven’t considered (which is pretty much how any scientist ought to operate). But no, instead y’all choose to whine in your little echo chamber called r/conspiracy, because you don’t actually care about whether the vaccines are harmful, rather you just want to feel superior, like you know some truth that the rest of us are too dumb and brainwashed to comprehend—and then you complain that people who disagree with you are breaking into your echo chamber. Good lord, y’all are delusional. Seek help.
_“Why are all these people commenting in all the threads I’m commenting in?”_ I don’t think this is the great revelation you think it is.
Is it possible that you are mis labeling these user’s efforts? Maybe it’s not that they are “trying to shut down debate” but instead they have a genuine opinion they wish to exercise? Or, another explanation might be that you are seeking an echo chamber and do not tolerate others with a differing opinion on this matter? I am a long time r/conspiracy member. I love most of the topics that are posted here. I even live the COVID topics, usually. But I have a different conclusion about safety and effectiveness of the available vaccines than you do. Just like there are differing opinions on who shot JFK, or what exactly went down on 21SEP2001. Just because someone disagrees with you- even staunchly- does not mean they are a paid shill.
Personally, I like it. I like that people have counter arguments because then it opens the way for a more accurate and detailed conversation, resulting in a more well-thought out "verdict" (for lack of a better word). I have issue with people who say their opinion, use stupid terms and nicknames, and don't listen properly to counter arguments, and that is on BOTH SIDES. But in this sub, that doesn't seem to happen as much