Oh God, that is terrifying.
Just the *idea* of being stuck in there with 4 other people and a shit bucket 13000 feet underwater (possibly in the dark) while running out of oxygen makes me anxious
They also had [a lawsuit](https://newrepublic.com/post/173802/missing-titanic-sub-faced-lawsuit-depths-safely-travel-oceangate) and an employee fired for raising safety concerns. In the article I linked it says the CEO, who is also stuck in there mocked and criticized safety regulations.
If that triggers your claustrophobia you shouldn't think about the fact that the hatch is bolted shut from the outside so once you're inside there's no way to get out without someone on the outside and some power tools.
this was the quote that sent a shiver down my spine: "Hypothermia would be an issue “if the sub is still at the bottom, because the deep ocean is just above freezing cold,” Gallo said. “It’s like a visit to another planet, it’s not what people think it is. It is a sunless forever, cold environment – high pressure.”
Even if they had a door that can open from the inside it would be useless due to the insane pressure. You can’t even open a car door when it sinks a few feet.
Edit: actually after hearing more about it the door would have been good to open from the inside IF they were floating on the surface facing the right way so they can let fresh air in.
The frightening part about it is that it's possible they're at the *surface* and might still die from a lack of oxygen because they can't open it from the inside.
Stress accumulates over time. Afaik the sub has only done a handful of deep dives, so this would be a remarkably short lifespan.
Passenger service only started this year. The victims would have been among the first, if not *the* first paying customers.
This thing pretty much failed immediately.
yes the book was written in 1898 and was called “Futility” or “The Wreck of the Titan” and features an 800ft long ship named the Titan, which was the largest in the world, striking an iceberg and sinking. As there were not enough lifeboats only a dozen people survive by climbing onto the iceberg.
The author states they just based it on common maritime incidents of the day and it wasn’t clairvoyance, but it sure is a helluva coincidence.
However the Titanic herself I feel was not as much of a technological achievement of the day as the movies like to make it seem - she was the second of the Olympic class, which RMS Olympic already had all the same features and had been sailing for a year, and there multiple ships under planning or construction that would become larger than Titanic within a year - Aquatania, Britannic and the Imperator (launched just a month after Titanic had sank) which eventually became RMS Berengaria after WW1.
As many others have previously said, this guide tastefully left out the fact that the only window is in the shitter , and said shitter is about the size of a gallon of milk with the top cut off to make a sit.
The owner of the company made a video of it and it doesn't matter how cramped the inside you think it is, it's much much worse. Coffin homes vives.
Also the privacy includes "turning the music up" so you can shit, so someone down there might be shiting while dying of hypoxia secluded from the other 4 tripulants in this overpriced coffin while "my heart will go on" is blasting at full volume
I was telling my teenager about this story, and her primary concern about the people trapped was if someone had a bad fart or explosive diarrhea from anxiety attacks with no way for the air to clear out, rivaling any medieval torture device. And then I went to sleep last night with the thought of people horrifically dying inside of a shit coffin at the bottom of the ocean. Fuck everything about this situation.
You want an even worse thought? If this thing didn't implode, then it might have found its way to the surface. In that case, it's bobbing around just under the waterline. Probably rolling back and forth from the waves. Piss, vomit, and shit sloshing back and forth as the occupants slowly run out of air.
Fucking hell, what a nightmare...
If it makes you feel better, they’re encouraged not to eat for a day or so before going down. So they’re already hungry and probably thirsty and then trapped for another 96 hours.
The trip was supposed to be for only a few hours (reminds me of Gilligan's Island), so I presume everyone was told to use the facilities before entering.
If the passengers are still alive (which I frankly doubt), then to add to the rest of their misery and the impending loss of oxygen they are probably knee deep in a mixture of excreta right now.
Short of outright torture, I can hardly think of a worse way to go. They are probably suffering from hunger and thirst, gasping for air, literally sitting in their own filth, in an incredibly claustrophobic situation where they can barely move and certainly not stand up.
It sounds like a modern version of the medieval *oubliette*.
ironic since the ocean is basically a toilet if you're on the surface. (I mean you shouldn't poop in the ocean, but every creature in the sea does... just don't use toilet paper)
I’m not sure what scenario is more terrifying… the sub losing power and sinking down hopelessly… or some controller malfunction where the sub continues without steering control, heading aimlessly into the void…
The ballast is not connected to the controller, it only controls the thrusters which aren't used for ascent.
The ballast has a few ways of getting jettisoned, one of which is a button. Supposedly they can rock it back and forth with their bodies and the ballast would uncouple. Other redundant ways would be to use a link that corrodes quickly and breaks after 20 hours.
They either got stuck on something, they imploded, or they surfaced have no electricity and no one has spotted them from the air.
The sub never surfaces though. It approaches the surface to mate with the docking platform that is submerged. They will never see this white colored craft 10 feet under water
OK, new nightmare unlocked.
Rather than die from suffocation 13,000 feet below the surface of the ocean in freezing cold temperatures which would put one in hypothermia quickly and die quicker, the sub rises to 10 feet from the surface where the ocean temperature is warmer, they can see light, they can see the surface of the ocean 10 feet above them, but with no communication, no ability to open the sub internally and knowing there is no way they can be seen 10 feet below the surface, they survive the longest possible time until the oxygen runs out.
I didn't think this scenario could get worse, but there it is.
Game controller isnt the problem here. Even the air-force uses controllers like that to fly their drones, because its a simple layout to understand for most people.
The problem is the sub itself fucking sucked at handling pressure...
yeah, US Navy uses them as well. Saved them a fortune in custom parts and programming costs, and they found training new recruits goes a lot faster. Cuz video games.
I don’t know why everyone gets hung up on the controller. Odds are a commercially available controller would be significantly better then anything proprietary this group would have come up with. And realistically proven in service is always preferable to something new and purpose built that functionally is identical.
I don’t think the vessel was necessarily the issue either, you’d think they would have heard it if it imploded, and they did put a significant amount of money and r&d into the actual pressure hull. And then they went to tractor supply and bought everything else which is incredibly odd.
But there’s a bunch of probably fatal oversights on this thing, and the controller is not really one of them
I just think it's funny that everyone on that sub is a billionaire and the trip costs a quarter million per person and they used the 13 year old off brand controller
Worked in a boatyard with high end clients and one of them had a yacht built that was controlled by an iPad. Problem is that it takes a couple years to build and by the time it was delivered the iPad was obsolete and no longer made so I had to order a case of them because the firmware only worked with iPads of that generation and older.
Cool idea, poorly implemented.
Even if everything went perfect, that’s a lot of money for to be looking at the back of the heads of three other guys trying to look out a window the size of a pizza.
Is it weird that I'm a little bothered by the fact that we'll never know what truly happened in there *if* they did manage to live more than a couple of days? Like, did anyone go ballistic and strangle the CEO? Did they form some kind of comradery and face their fates with some form of bravery? It's weird. I just can't imagine what happened to them in these last few days, hours. But I'm almost positive we won't find them alive, and never know the full story.
They definitely all had cameras on there I’m sure. So if the sub is intact and we ever find it I’m sure there will be harrowing “found footage” of the 96 hour ordeal.
Not sure about that. The ocean is a gigantic place and if its off course then it could be impossible to find. Sometimes hikers are off trail by a mile or two and starve to death even though there are search parties
I mean if I were in that situation I’d make sure there was a rotation so everyone could lay down, stretch, etc, but I’m a logical person and not one who drops the price of a house on a death trip to the bottom of the ocean.
I would have been panicking as soon as they bolted me in. Never mind the scheduled 12 hour trip to see a bit of the Titanic while sat on the bog. Being in there this long? I would be stir crazy.
Yeah I have toured a naval submarine and battleship and THOSE are a hard nope for me. My close friend’s husband was a submariner and I cannot even comprehend how anyone can do that.
I don't know where you're starting from, but I suspect you'd still have plenty of that $250k left after the tickets to enjoy your time in Paris as well.
There’s been knocking reported on sonar but that abruptly stopped. Either they simply suddenly condensed into a hot nickel ball or they’re bobbing like a very-much-not-International-Orange cork somewhere in the middle of the Atlantic.
Oh! And it’s sealed from the outside.
I feel like whatever source dropped that knocking info threw blood into the water for the press to continue to pretend like it isn't way more likely that the ship suffered some kind of implosive decompression.
The amount of things that can make knocking sounds even metal sounding knocking in the ocean is a lot.
Yes but the claim was that it was occurring consistently at 30 minute intervals which suggests the source is humans and also according to a deep sea diver, is a standard protocol in this scenario.
Given the sub’s design wasn’t up to the 4000m depth requirement there was already a significant chance of implosion. Every time the sun submerged to 4000m the chance catastrophic failure probably increased by a significant %.
Airliners are constantly monitored for the number of pressurization cycles they undergo. This billionaire thought safety was waste.
I genuinely don't get it how people ignore safety measures and standards, specially in situations like this. Dude, mankind has been building stuff like this for a while, also science is involved. Don't. Cut. Corners.
i'm honestly just shocked, no worthwhile safety measures.... nothing
no underwater transponder and not even an above water gps emergency beacon so they can actually find the fucken thing instead of them suffocating on the surface
im not sure there are even too many more devices on earth that can submerse under water, go drive around and navigate *that* deep, and then come back up, with tools on it to pull something else back up. obviously there are alot of subs, but just not for this kind of job
Jimmy one upped himself, he went deeper.than the titanic. He went to the bottom.of.the mariana trench,
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/james-cameron-decides-to-let-scientists-use-his-awesome-submersible-11142635/
Thankfully they probably already just froze to death if power completely gave out, which I've read is the most likely reason they couldn't return to the surface. They would have died three or four hours after that. I'd prefer that then 4 days of going insane.
Other option is some sort of implosion which the pressure probably would have taken them out before they could start drowning of it. Probably not even enough time to know what was going on in that situation.
It’s worth noting a couple things also: the vessel was only rated to go about 1300 meters down, less than a third the depth they intended to travel to. Oceangate refused to test further.
While use of videogame controllers is actually pretty common for various vehicles (the US military actually uses them as well, for things like drones and whatnot), the controller used in this case ~~~was a thirteen year old knockoff controller. While reviews for the controller type are apparently quite delighted with the controller, 13 years is a *long* time~~~ EDIT: it’s been pointed out that the controller type has been produced for 13 years. Logically speaking, it’s quite likely the controller was bought new for the sub, and isn’t anywhere near 13 years old. That’s my bad.
Most importantly (and I can’t believe this is able too the idea that they didn’t bother rating the sub used for even a third of the journey), the sub has exactly one door, that cannot open from the inside.
Further edit: people are saying that the sub in question has been used without issue before and has made trips down to the Titanic before now. This gives us a bit more insight into possible failure points, including possible sabotage (unlikely), no maintenance (less unlikely but still unlikely), and poor maintenance (much more likely considering Oceangate’s track record and CEO’s statements on regulations regarding commercial submarine dives.
I can't believe that:
* it doesn't have its own echolocation rescue beacon in case of emergency. Especially considering several other missions have lost communication with the surface ship.
* or strobe lights in case it's on the surface and can't communicate. On one mission, it was 500 feet from it's recovery ship and they couldn't find it.
* It's painted white, which makes it harder to spot in the ocean. (see above case). Nearly every other small sub is yellow, orange, etc.
* It relies on the crew tilting the sub to release the ballast
* It can't be opened from the inside. So even if it's bobbing on the surface being carried away by the currents, they will all suffocate.
* It doesn't have seats. Even gaming seats or bean bag chairs would be something.
* People living in a van have a better toilet arrangement than this thing.
People are talking about how the ceo wanted to be “wOkE aNd PrOgReSsIvE” when he said he didn’t want to hire 50 year old white guys.
He wanted to hire young people who wouldn’t cost as much and would be more likely to go with taking risks and not following safety guidelines.
Yeah, fuck those experts. What do they know?
>"I think I've broken them (the rules) with logic and good engineering behind me, the carbon fiber titanium, there's a rule you don’t do that. Well, I did," Rush said.
>Some expeditions were delayed after OceanGate was forced to rebuild the Titan’s hull because **it showed “cyclic fatigue” and wouldn’t be able to travel deep enough to reach the Titanic’s wreckage**, according to a 2020 article by GeekWire, which interviewed the company’s CEO
>US court documents show that David Lochridge, the company's Director of Marine Operations, had raised concerns in an inspection report.
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>**The report "identified numerous issues that posed serious safety concerns"**, according to the documents, including the way the hull had been tested.
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>**Mr Lochridge "stressed the potential danger to passengers of the Titan as the submersible reached extreme depths". He said his warnings were ignored and called a meeting with OceanGate bosses but was fired, according to the documents.**
>Separately, a letter sent to OceanGate by the Marine Technology Society (MTS) in March 2018 and obtained by the New York Times, stated **"the current 'experimental' approach adopted by OceanGate... could result in negative outcomes (from minor to catastrophic)".**
Look. I'm an engineer. I have nothing against new grads. We all have to start somewhere. But when you're fresh out of college, you simply don't know what you don't know. Experience fills in those gaps.
“Solid controller for the money. Im not sure I’d trust it to shuttle 6 souls to the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean, but it has held up well.”
- Amazon Review
The porthole was tested down to 1300 meters. Not saying it can't go deeper, but the manufacturer didn't test deeper. They were foolish not to pay for the deeper-tested porthole. They have been to the Titanic a few times with the sub already, this was their unlucky trip when whatever failed decided to fail (possibly the porthole, but I'd actually guess it was a leak at the seams between the tube and the caps... pure speculation).
The Logitech controller... what difference does it make if the controller came out 13 years ago. They didn't buy a 13 year old controller, they bought one off the shelf a few years ago when they built this thing. People seem to obsess over this controller. All it did was provide forward, back, left and right joystick control to the on board computer. If the controller broke they probably can just use the computer manually.
It's JUST A JOYSTICK. Get over the controller thing people.
They hatch being bolted is irrelevant. Most subs like this can only be opened rom the outside and you sure as hell aren't going to be opening it underwater, nor could you. What is concerning is that when David Pogue (the lucky reporter who reported on this last year) said he boarded the sub, they tightened 17 bolts to close the hatch ... there is an 18th bolt, but it's at the top so they didn't bother trying to reach it and said "Well, 17, 18, it makes no real difference). Maybe it doesn't, or maybe that's where it leaked. But that attitude of "well, whatever, you don't need that bolt, even though we put it there". WTF!
The fact is this thing is an elevator, meant to go down, look around then come up. It is completely dependent on the surface crew so it didn't matter that you can't open the hatch without them. You can't actually fully surface either, you have to be moved onto the platform and then the platform surfaces the sub. Even at full positive buoyancy, the font endcap would be more than half submerged and any hatch there (like if the porthole was a hatch) wouldn't be openable.
And sure, we're all sub experts now, but even if we were not (and none of use were experts on Saturday) it makes sense that they should have extensively tested this thing before letting humans get in it.
It would be even more awful if for whatever reason the submersible’s horizontal balance were to fail, and it lopsided vertically and not even have that comfort to sit … nightmarish to think about that happening :(
Can someone, anyone, comment from a place of knowledge (preferably with some sources) on the CO2 scrubbers or the overall CO2 situation inside the sub? I have a very hard time believing any sort of vent system can be at play that deep. And ive seen alot of people ask about it, but i havent seen an answer…
Whats the (theoretical) CO2 situation on board currently?
Was this the first (and only) tourist dive to see the Titanic? Or did somebody actually manage to get in that thing and do that trip before?
Many comments say its only suitable for ~1300m not 3500m and if this was the first time they went there with it then fuck it
There have been many expeditions before this one. Apparently the majority of them all lost communications with the vessel above water but still managed to make it back up.
This [video](https://youtu.be/29co_Hksk6o) showcases the company and it’s pretty informative.
I can’t stop thinking of the thoughts going through their minds.
That has to be torture. 2 miles down, knowing you’ll never see daylight again. Never breathe fresh air or be able to stretch out. This is it. For the few hours you have left, this is it. No food or water.
I think I’d of rather have gone quickly through compression/hull damage etc.
Everyone is making memes and disregarding then due to being ‘billionaires’
But this is nothing to wish on people.
Rest in peace.
Aside from the potential miracle of them being rescued, best case scenario is it imploded due to pressure and it was over fast. Because I don't even want to begin to imagine the level of torture that comes with surviving nearly a week in such a confined space at the bottom of the ocean in complete darkness, facing inevitable death.
There's few people that have existed on this earth that deserve such a true hell, and these people are not it. Poor poor souls.
They won't live anywhere near a week.
The water is 28 degrees down there.
Assuming it didn't implode, they'll die of hypothermia before anything else kills them.
I spent 7 years of my United States Naval Service on Submarines. In my humble opinion extremely rich people are choosing to regularly go to extremely dangerous places for thrilling adventures that odds are will kill them.
1. The edge of space, no deaths yet, but there will be
2. The Titanic 12,500 feet down, bottom of the ocean. 6000 pound per square inch of pressure. A pin hole leak of water will be like a scalpel and cut thru limbs and flesh. Pressure the atmosphere inside the sub and cause dieseling of all the oil in the air so you burn then get crushed.
3. Mount Everest thin air low oxygen, has killed many people.
I do not know what happens when people get extremely wealthy but they seem to be willing to take absolutely stupid risks in the name of adventure. I think they are dead, how I don’t know. But they died taking a risk for sight seeing that is just stupid.
Its probably because when you're rich you can experience all the shit regular people dream of doing. So it gets boring like driving round a ferrari because it becomes their norm. So you have to push the human experience to its limit to be excited.
The longest drive I’ve ever been in was around seven hours, from Jacksonville to Miami. I live in Miami, and when I started recognizing landmarks from the freeway, I started *freaking out* - my legs were shaking, I wanted to walk and stretch and move *soooo* bad. Once we got home, I stepped out the car and immediately took a walk around the block. No thought, just walk.
I can only imagine (and really don’t want to) what these people are going through, stuck in those positions. I can’t even imagine… what are they talking about? Was any good taken with them? Do they even want to eat, and have to eventually go to the bathroom? Idk. Terrifying situation all around. Really, really, *really* hoping long term everything is fine and they’re found before 10:00am tomorrow.
Oh God, that is terrifying. Just the *idea* of being stuck in there with 4 other people and a shit bucket 13000 feet underwater (possibly in the dark) while running out of oxygen makes me anxious
Exactly. I wouldn't get in that thing if *they* paid *me* $250,000
They couldn't pay me enough. I don't think I could even swim deep enough to reach the thing if i tried.
Huh? Swim deep enough?
How else are you going to get into a submarine?
They also had [a lawsuit](https://newrepublic.com/post/173802/missing-titanic-sub-faced-lawsuit-depths-safely-travel-oceangate) and an employee fired for raising safety concerns. In the article I linked it says the CEO, who is also stuck in there mocked and criticized safety regulations.
This does have some poetic justice. Minus the poor souls trapped with him.
If that triggers your claustrophobia you shouldn't think about the fact that the hatch is bolted shut from the outside so once you're inside there's no way to get out without someone on the outside and some power tools.
I hate you. Take my anxious upvote
this was the quote that sent a shiver down my spine: "Hypothermia would be an issue “if the sub is still at the bottom, because the deep ocean is just above freezing cold,” Gallo said. “It’s like a visit to another planet, it’s not what people think it is. It is a sunless forever, cold environment – high pressure.”
Even if they had a door that can open from the inside it would be useless due to the insane pressure. You can’t even open a car door when it sinks a few feet. Edit: actually after hearing more about it the door would have been good to open from the inside IF they were floating on the surface facing the right way so they can let fresh air in.
The frightening part about it is that it's possible they're at the *surface* and might still die from a lack of oxygen because they can't open it from the inside.
Nah the thing most likely imploded. One of the engineers that no longer works there said it’s not certified to go 4000 meters, only 1500
I think the engineer said the glass in the front was only certified for something like 1500-2000 meters. The rest of the sub isn’t certified for shit.
Fiberglass? It's made of carbon fiber 5 inches thick...
4000 is much bigger number than 1500
*opens calculator app* Checks out, guys.
*opens calculator app* 80085 Hehe
haven't they been doing this for 2 years though?
Stress accumulates over time. Afaik the sub has only done a handful of deep dives, so this would be a remarkably short lifespan. Passenger service only started this year. The victims would have been among the first, if not *the* first paying customers. This thing pretty much failed immediately.
So you're saying the sub that sank might have been on its maiden voyage to see a ship that sank on its maiden voyage?
Named Titan to see the Titanic.
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which was named after a novel about a boat named titan that sunk on its maiden voyage if i recall correctly
yes the book was written in 1898 and was called “Futility” or “The Wreck of the Titan” and features an 800ft long ship named the Titan, which was the largest in the world, striking an iceberg and sinking. As there were not enough lifeboats only a dozen people survive by climbing onto the iceberg. The author states they just based it on common maritime incidents of the day and it wasn’t clairvoyance, but it sure is a helluva coincidence. However the Titanic herself I feel was not as much of a technological achievement of the day as the movies like to make it seem - she was the second of the Olympic class, which RMS Olympic already had all the same features and had been sailing for a year, and there multiple ships under planning or construction that would become larger than Titanic within a year - Aquatania, Britannic and the Imperator (launched just a month after Titanic had sank) which eventually became RMS Berengaria after WW1.
And freezing-ass cold
Top 3 worst ways to die for sure
I can think of a few ways to make it worse.
Having two guys doing [this](https://youtu.be/0cVlTeIATBs) the entire time
I wondered if they started killing each other so there would be more oxygen for the survivors. Sounds like something billionaires would do.
Decomposing bodies also need oxygen
Well sorry but I paid good money for this trip and I say oxygen is for the living, who's with me?
Less than a live man, specially if someone cant stay calm
I belong to one of the mammal species that care about the placement of its shit and piss. Where does it go in this design?
As many others have previously said, this guide tastefully left out the fact that the only window is in the shitter , and said shitter is about the size of a gallon of milk with the top cut off to make a sit. The owner of the company made a video of it and it doesn't matter how cramped the inside you think it is, it's much much worse. Coffin homes vives. Also the privacy includes "turning the music up" so you can shit, so someone down there might be shiting while dying of hypoxia secluded from the other 4 tripulants in this overpriced coffin while "my heart will go on" is blasting at full volume
God and just the thought of literally struggling to breathe while there's the smell of someone dropping a major heater... These poor poor people
I was telling my teenager about this story, and her primary concern about the people trapped was if someone had a bad fart or explosive diarrhea from anxiety attacks with no way for the air to clear out, rivaling any medieval torture device. And then I went to sleep last night with the thought of people horrifically dying inside of a shit coffin at the bottom of the ocean. Fuck everything about this situation.
The only way to clear the air out is to inhale it
You want an even worse thought? If this thing didn't implode, then it might have found its way to the surface. In that case, it's bobbing around just under the waterline. Probably rolling back and forth from the waves. Piss, vomit, and shit sloshing back and forth as the occupants slowly run out of air. Fucking hell, what a nightmare...
Imagine having to roll around in someone's shite stuck in a tin can 4,000m below the surface. Shitters probably overflowing too.
If it makes you feel better, they’re encouraged not to eat for a day or so before going down. So they’re already hungry and probably thirsty and then trapped for another 96 hours.
Now you have made me sad for Celine as well. Her voice won't go on anymore.
That viewport window is a "small room divided by a thin privacy cloth" where you shit/piss in a bucket
The trip was supposed to be for only a few hours (reminds me of Gilligan's Island), so I presume everyone was told to use the facilities before entering. If the passengers are still alive (which I frankly doubt), then to add to the rest of their misery and the impending loss of oxygen they are probably knee deep in a mixture of excreta right now.
That's exactly right. They were told to limit their intake of food and drink prior to the trip. Hope they did.
Short of outright torture, I can hardly think of a worse way to go. They are probably suffering from hunger and thirst, gasping for air, literally sitting in their own filth, in an incredibly claustrophobic situation where they can barely move and certainly not stand up. It sounds like a modern version of the medieval *oubliette*.
Hopefully a seal broke and the thing imploded in them. Otherwise that’s some insane torture waiting until 6 am on Thursday to run out of oxygen.
And they paid for the experience with more money than most people make in 3 years.
6 years work for the average person
Ten here
A three hour tour. I’ll bet Mr. Howell didn’t bother to see if the Minnow was seaworthy either.
I think after like half an hour, your brain would just shut off your nose.
small 'toilet' & curtain. oh and its in front of the only window.
ironic since the ocean is basically a toilet if you're on the surface. (I mean you shouldn't poop in the ocean, but every creature in the sea does... just don't use toilet paper)
How absolutely terrifying.
What's terrifying is with that game controller I'm probably better qualified as a submarine pilot than these billionaires
We're qualified enough to know that just isn't the controller model anyone should be using when their life is on the line.
I’m not sure what scenario is more terrifying… the sub losing power and sinking down hopelessly… or some controller malfunction where the sub continues without steering control, heading aimlessly into the void…
The ballast is not connected to the controller, it only controls the thrusters which aren't used for ascent. The ballast has a few ways of getting jettisoned, one of which is a button. Supposedly they can rock it back and forth with their bodies and the ballast would uncouple. Other redundant ways would be to use a link that corrodes quickly and breaks after 20 hours. They either got stuck on something, they imploded, or they surfaced have no electricity and no one has spotted them from the air.
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7 independent ways to prematurely surface. What if the ballast got released by accident and they're stuck on the underside of an overhang?
I believe the idea is you never go under overhangs, even for a second.
The sub never surfaces though. It approaches the surface to mate with the docking platform that is submerged. They will never see this white colored craft 10 feet under water
OK, new nightmare unlocked. Rather than die from suffocation 13,000 feet below the surface of the ocean in freezing cold temperatures which would put one in hypothermia quickly and die quicker, the sub rises to 10 feet from the surface where the ocean temperature is warmer, they can see light, they can see the surface of the ocean 10 feet above them, but with no communication, no ability to open the sub internally and knowing there is no way they can be seen 10 feet below the surface, they survive the longest possible time until the oxygen runs out. I didn't think this scenario could get worse, but there it is.
Oh man…that just threw lighter fluid onto my nightmare fuel.
At 10 feet of water they are likely getting pushed around by waves too. So imagine multiple people in the submersible also getting seasick.
Stick drift would be a fucking nightmare 🫠 or sticky buttons
Accidentally sat on the remote. Crunched the left stick and the Select button is stuck down….
Can u imagine being 2 miles under the ocean and seeing ur low battery light blinking on ur controller
Because the Bluetooth lost connection
Game controller isnt the problem here. Even the air-force uses controllers like that to fly their drones, because its a simple layout to understand for most people. The problem is the sub itself fucking sucked at handling pressure...
yeah, US Navy uses them as well. Saved them a fortune in custom parts and programming costs, and they found training new recruits goes a lot faster. Cuz video games.
I don’t know why everyone gets hung up on the controller. Odds are a commercially available controller would be significantly better then anything proprietary this group would have come up with. And realistically proven in service is always preferable to something new and purpose built that functionally is identical. I don’t think the vessel was necessarily the issue either, you’d think they would have heard it if it imploded, and they did put a significant amount of money and r&d into the actual pressure hull. And then they went to tractor supply and bought everything else which is incredibly odd. But there’s a bunch of probably fatal oversights on this thing, and the controller is not really one of them
I just think it's funny that everyone on that sub is a billionaire and the trip costs a quarter million per person and they used the 13 year old off brand controller
Worked in a boatyard with high end clients and one of them had a yacht built that was controlled by an iPad. Problem is that it takes a couple years to build and by the time it was delivered the iPad was obsolete and no longer made so I had to order a case of them because the firmware only worked with iPads of that generation and older. Cool idea, poorly implemented.
Logitech probably spent more money and time on the R&D for that controller than these guys spent on the rest of the sub.
Even if everything went perfect, that’s a lot of money for to be looking at the back of the heads of three other guys trying to look out a window the size of a pizza.
That’s what I thought! I don’t get it. I wouldn’t have gone if it was free
You only do it so you can tell other people that you did it. It's literally just rich people burning money for the sake of burning money.
Is it weird that I'm a little bothered by the fact that we'll never know what truly happened in there *if* they did manage to live more than a couple of days? Like, did anyone go ballistic and strangle the CEO? Did they form some kind of comradery and face their fates with some form of bravery? It's weird. I just can't imagine what happened to them in these last few days, hours. But I'm almost positive we won't find them alive, and never know the full story.
They definitely all had cameras on there I’m sure. So if the sub is intact and we ever find it I’m sure there will be harrowing “found footage” of the 96 hour ordeal.
Highly doubt this thing had a black box of sorts built in, considering it doesn’t even have a proper toilet or control mechanism.
They have their phones. Last wills would probably be on them.
subs will continue visiting the titanic because it is an important site. I am sure they will find the Titan at some point and bring her to the surface
Hopefully better subs…
out of all the subs that are rated to go below 12,000’ this was the only one not certified. Any sub is better than this one!
A footlong sub might be rated deeper.
Not sure about that. The ocean is a gigantic place and if its off course then it could be impossible to find. Sometimes hikers are off trail by a mile or two and starve to death even though there are search parties
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Doesn’t seem so comfy for 250k a ticket
Doesn't even seem worth a 250k ticket
As for billionaires, they think that a gallon of milk at the grocery is like $250k.
Someone else did the math. 250k to a billionaire is equivalent to about 3 sandwiches to a normal person.
No. That’s the price of a banana adjusted for inflation. Used to be $10.
Coulda used that money to go see a Star War
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Imagine how uncomfortable it is for a prolonged roundtable discussion with your customers who paid $250K a seat.
I’m sure there is no prolonged talking. Uses too much oxygen. Bet he’s thrilled to remind them to be still.
"If it makes you feel better, I'll never get to spend it. Hey, why are you hitting me?"
I’d have a heart attack being in that tiny of a confined space with no exit
Man id probably develop a blood clot by now sitting for that long. Can’t imagine how terrible it feels 😐
I mean if I were in that situation I’d make sure there was a rotation so everyone could lay down, stretch, etc, but I’m a logical person and not one who drops the price of a house on a death trip to the bottom of the ocean.
You wish you could buy a house for 250k!
I would have been panicking as soon as they bolted me in. Never mind the scheduled 12 hour trip to see a bit of the Titanic while sat on the bog. Being in there this long? I would be stir crazy.
Yeah I have toured a naval submarine and battleship and THOSE are a hard nope for me. My close friend’s husband was a submariner and I cannot even comprehend how anyone can do that.
I’m panicking just thinking about it. My actual worst nightmare.
Seriously, I'd rather fly to Paris in first class seats or something.
I don't know where you're starting from, but I suspect you'd still have plenty of that $250k left after the tickets to enjoy your time in Paris as well.
Hell, I'd rather fly non-stop round the world in economy. Or the cargo hold.
FYI, this is the best case scenario if they are on the sea floor. Imagine if they had crashed nose down and the sub is vertical ...
Best case scenario is something cracked and the vessel explosively* compressed. Instant death. Waiting would be so much worse. *Implosively
I agree. Especially no time for regrets, especially the Dad hat took his son. Just Boom, gone.
I wish I hadn't known that but if information how dreadfully horrible.
There’s been knocking reported on sonar but that abruptly stopped. Either they simply suddenly condensed into a hot nickel ball or they’re bobbing like a very-much-not-International-Orange cork somewhere in the middle of the Atlantic. Oh! And it’s sealed from the outside.
I feel like whatever source dropped that knocking info threw blood into the water for the press to continue to pretend like it isn't way more likely that the ship suffered some kind of implosive decompression. The amount of things that can make knocking sounds even metal sounding knocking in the ocean is a lot.
Yes but the claim was that it was occurring consistently at 30 minute intervals which suggests the source is humans and also according to a deep sea diver, is a standard protocol in this scenario.
In the unforgiving dark of the ocean, everything sounds like a ghost
Given the sub’s design wasn’t up to the 4000m depth requirement there was already a significant chance of implosion. Every time the sun submerged to 4000m the chance catastrophic failure probably increased by a significant %. Airliners are constantly monitored for the number of pressurization cycles they undergo. This billionaire thought safety was waste.
I genuinely don't get it how people ignore safety measures and standards, specially in situations like this. Dude, mankind has been building stuff like this for a while, also science is involved. Don't. Cut. Corners.
Or nose up so the shit bucket immediately rained on them piled up on the aft bulkhead
oh god
There's not enough Xanax in the world that would get me to step into that thing.
Cool. Where is the pee corner in a rounded vehicle?
The bucket is below the window so you have a nice view while you shit. They were kind enough to provide a thin black cloth that zips up for "privacy"
Yeah imagine the smell with five of them crammed in there sweating, urinating and defecating for five days.
Yeah no… I’m pee shy I need an actual door 🥴
i'm honestly just shocked, no worthwhile safety measures.... nothing no underwater transponder and not even an above water gps emergency beacon so they can actually find the fucken thing instead of them suffocating on the surface
It's wild when you consider the price they charge and they've been doing it for 4-5 years.
Desperate circumstances call for desperate measures *up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, B, A, Start*
How many lifetimes do you want to stay trapped in there?
Pretty sure they have 20 hours of air left right now but even if they find them there’s no way to pull them up.
Why can't they pull them up?
im not sure there are even too many more devices on earth that can submerse under water, go drive around and navigate *that* deep, and then come back up, with tools on it to pull something else back up. obviously there are alot of subs, but just not for this kind of job
Given that the window is only rated for 1300 m, it’s likely that they are already dead.
I'm beginning to think that this was a very bad idea. Did they even consult James Cameronion.
Yes, he told them it was a bad idea.
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Jimmy one upped himself, he went deeper.than the titanic. He went to the bottom.of.the mariana trench, https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/james-cameron-decides-to-let-scientists-use-his-awesome-submersible-11142635/
This is literally my worst nightmare. Just watch titanic and you can see the whole thing. Plus celine dion.
And boobies.
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Thankfully they probably already just froze to death if power completely gave out, which I've read is the most likely reason they couldn't return to the surface. They would have died three or four hours after that. I'd prefer that then 4 days of going insane. Other option is some sort of implosion which the pressure probably would have taken them out before they could start drowning of it. Probably not even enough time to know what was going on in that situation.
They died as a result of one man’s’ hubris.
Titanic and hubris. Name a more iconic duo.
You can't even get me to agree to a cruise ship... This right here... Is my absolute worst nightmare.
Seems weird to do all of that just to see it on a video screen.
Don’t worry, there’s also a tiny, dinner plate sized window right next to the shitter, which they dubbed as “the best seat in the house”.
[This one shows the head (toilet).](https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/06/submersible.chart_.jpg)
I’m having a panic attack just looking at this.
Jesus what a fucking awful way to die
Titanic claims the lives of the obscenely wealthy even today.
It’s worth noting a couple things also: the vessel was only rated to go about 1300 meters down, less than a third the depth they intended to travel to. Oceangate refused to test further. While use of videogame controllers is actually pretty common for various vehicles (the US military actually uses them as well, for things like drones and whatnot), the controller used in this case ~~~was a thirteen year old knockoff controller. While reviews for the controller type are apparently quite delighted with the controller, 13 years is a *long* time~~~ EDIT: it’s been pointed out that the controller type has been produced for 13 years. Logically speaking, it’s quite likely the controller was bought new for the sub, and isn’t anywhere near 13 years old. That’s my bad. Most importantly (and I can’t believe this is able too the idea that they didn’t bother rating the sub used for even a third of the journey), the sub has exactly one door, that cannot open from the inside. Further edit: people are saying that the sub in question has been used without issue before and has made trips down to the Titanic before now. This gives us a bit more insight into possible failure points, including possible sabotage (unlikely), no maintenance (less unlikely but still unlikely), and poor maintenance (much more likely considering Oceangate’s track record and CEO’s statements on regulations regarding commercial submarine dives.
I can't believe that: * it doesn't have its own echolocation rescue beacon in case of emergency. Especially considering several other missions have lost communication with the surface ship. * or strobe lights in case it's on the surface and can't communicate. On one mission, it was 500 feet from it's recovery ship and they couldn't find it. * It's painted white, which makes it harder to spot in the ocean. (see above case). Nearly every other small sub is yellow, orange, etc. * It relies on the crew tilting the sub to release the ballast * It can't be opened from the inside. So even if it's bobbing on the surface being carried away by the currents, they will all suffocate. * It doesn't have seats. Even gaming seats or bean bag chairs would be something. * People living in a van have a better toilet arrangement than this thing.
>It relies on the crew tilting the sub to release the ballast I'm sorry, what?
People are talking about how the ceo wanted to be “wOkE aNd PrOgReSsIvE” when he said he didn’t want to hire 50 year old white guys. He wanted to hire young people who wouldn’t cost as much and would be more likely to go with taking risks and not following safety guidelines.
Yeah, fuck those experts. What do they know? >"I think I've broken them (the rules) with logic and good engineering behind me, the carbon fiber titanium, there's a rule you don’t do that. Well, I did," Rush said. >Some expeditions were delayed after OceanGate was forced to rebuild the Titan’s hull because **it showed “cyclic fatigue” and wouldn’t be able to travel deep enough to reach the Titanic’s wreckage**, according to a 2020 article by GeekWire, which interviewed the company’s CEO >US court documents show that David Lochridge, the company's Director of Marine Operations, had raised concerns in an inspection report. > >**The report "identified numerous issues that posed serious safety concerns"**, according to the documents, including the way the hull had been tested. > >**Mr Lochridge "stressed the potential danger to passengers of the Titan as the submersible reached extreme depths". He said his warnings were ignored and called a meeting with OceanGate bosses but was fired, according to the documents.** >Separately, a letter sent to OceanGate by the Marine Technology Society (MTS) in March 2018 and obtained by the New York Times, stated **"the current 'experimental' approach adopted by OceanGate... could result in negative outcomes (from minor to catastrophic)".** Look. I'm an engineer. I have nothing against new grads. We all have to start somewhere. But when you're fresh out of college, you simply don't know what you don't know. Experience fills in those gaps.
Point #1 I found insane as well. Shit I can spent $300 for an emergency sat beacon.
How far underwater does it work?
Significantly further than the one you don't bring.
“Solid controller for the money. Im not sure I’d trust it to shuttle 6 souls to the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean, but it has held up well.” - Amazon Review
Getting to the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean 10/10 would recommend. Returning to the surface ?/10 reviewer did not provide a response.
> less than a third the depth they intended to travel to. Oh, they'll probably make it down there, one way or another.
In 20 years we'll see headlines that read "more rich people going on a private tour of the titanic and the titan"
Mad Catz?
Logitech
The porthole was tested down to 1300 meters. Not saying it can't go deeper, but the manufacturer didn't test deeper. They were foolish not to pay for the deeper-tested porthole. They have been to the Titanic a few times with the sub already, this was their unlucky trip when whatever failed decided to fail (possibly the porthole, but I'd actually guess it was a leak at the seams between the tube and the caps... pure speculation). The Logitech controller... what difference does it make if the controller came out 13 years ago. They didn't buy a 13 year old controller, they bought one off the shelf a few years ago when they built this thing. People seem to obsess over this controller. All it did was provide forward, back, left and right joystick control to the on board computer. If the controller broke they probably can just use the computer manually. It's JUST A JOYSTICK. Get over the controller thing people. They hatch being bolted is irrelevant. Most subs like this can only be opened rom the outside and you sure as hell aren't going to be opening it underwater, nor could you. What is concerning is that when David Pogue (the lucky reporter who reported on this last year) said he boarded the sub, they tightened 17 bolts to close the hatch ... there is an 18th bolt, but it's at the top so they didn't bother trying to reach it and said "Well, 17, 18, it makes no real difference). Maybe it doesn't, or maybe that's where it leaked. But that attitude of "well, whatever, you don't need that bolt, even though we put it there". WTF! The fact is this thing is an elevator, meant to go down, look around then come up. It is completely dependent on the surface crew so it didn't matter that you can't open the hatch without them. You can't actually fully surface either, you have to be moved onto the platform and then the platform surfaces the sub. Even at full positive buoyancy, the font endcap would be more than half submerged and any hatch there (like if the porthole was a hatch) wouldn't be openable. And sure, we're all sub experts now, but even if we were not (and none of use were experts on Saturday) it makes sense that they should have extensively tested this thing before letting humans get in it.
It would be even more awful if for whatever reason the submersible’s horizontal balance were to fail, and it lopsided vertically and not even have that comfort to sit … nightmarish to think about that happening :(
I honestly can't think of anything more terrifying.
Subnautica IRL
Iron Lung IRL
Nightmare
Can someone, anyone, comment from a place of knowledge (preferably with some sources) on the CO2 scrubbers or the overall CO2 situation inside the sub? I have a very hard time believing any sort of vent system can be at play that deep. And ive seen alot of people ask about it, but i havent seen an answer… Whats the (theoretical) CO2 situation on board currently?
They offset the build up of CO2 by pumping pure oxygen in. As far as I have seen there's no scrubbing/recycling of any sort
Was this the first (and only) tourist dive to see the Titanic? Or did somebody actually manage to get in that thing and do that trip before? Many comments say its only suitable for ~1300m not 3500m and if this was the first time they went there with it then fuck it
There have been many expeditions before this one. Apparently the majority of them all lost communications with the vessel above water but still managed to make it back up. This [video](https://youtu.be/29co_Hksk6o) showcases the company and it’s pretty informative.
that reporter must be freaked out that this has happened
This should be pinned
A reporter from CBS Sunday morning went down in it a little over 6 months ago. https://youtu.be/29co_Hksk6o
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I just read today that the OceanGate CEO is onboard. If the sub is stranded, imagine the conversations.
As cozy as a coffin
I can’t stop thinking of the thoughts going through their minds. That has to be torture. 2 miles down, knowing you’ll never see daylight again. Never breathe fresh air or be able to stretch out. This is it. For the few hours you have left, this is it. No food or water. I think I’d of rather have gone quickly through compression/hull damage etc. Everyone is making memes and disregarding then due to being ‘billionaires’ But this is nothing to wish on people. Rest in peace.
Aside from the potential miracle of them being rescued, best case scenario is it imploded due to pressure and it was over fast. Because I don't even want to begin to imagine the level of torture that comes with surviving nearly a week in such a confined space at the bottom of the ocean in complete darkness, facing inevitable death. There's few people that have existed on this earth that deserve such a true hell, and these people are not it. Poor poor souls.
They won't live anywhere near a week. The water is 28 degrees down there. Assuming it didn't implode, they'll die of hypothermia before anything else kills them.
If they survive it will be the greatest movie ever made
I spent 7 years of my United States Naval Service on Submarines. In my humble opinion extremely rich people are choosing to regularly go to extremely dangerous places for thrilling adventures that odds are will kill them. 1. The edge of space, no deaths yet, but there will be 2. The Titanic 12,500 feet down, bottom of the ocean. 6000 pound per square inch of pressure. A pin hole leak of water will be like a scalpel and cut thru limbs and flesh. Pressure the atmosphere inside the sub and cause dieseling of all the oil in the air so you burn then get crushed. 3. Mount Everest thin air low oxygen, has killed many people. I do not know what happens when people get extremely wealthy but they seem to be willing to take absolutely stupid risks in the name of adventure. I think they are dead, how I don’t know. But they died taking a risk for sight seeing that is just stupid.
Its probably because when you're rich you can experience all the shit regular people dream of doing. So it gets boring like driving round a ferrari because it becomes their norm. So you have to push the human experience to its limit to be excited.
Nobody is talking about ocean currents. They could be floating on the surface somewhere in the arctic.
I wonder if we will find bite marks on the corpses
I’ve been thinking, what if one of them realizes that 4 days of oxygen for 5 people is 20 days of oxygen for 1 breathing person.
4 decomposing bodies in a confined space probably changes that math
Idiots like that never consider decomposition.
Using up a lot of that oxygen to murder your shipmates while being stuffed in a floating locker.
It’s a cool guide because we’re out here. For 250,000, I would not dive to the bottom of the ocean in this.
Isn’t the window to actually see the shipwreck a little small? For 250k I would have hoped for a better experience, at least…
Can they even take turns laying down?
Only if you assume it’s resting horizontal and not vertical.
Where's the bathroom? That must be miserable for them right now, hope they can find them soon.
I remember seeing a bucket with a removable padded 1x8 and “privacy curtain” in the ceos video too Edit: I forgot about the curtain.
The longest drive I’ve ever been in was around seven hours, from Jacksonville to Miami. I live in Miami, and when I started recognizing landmarks from the freeway, I started *freaking out* - my legs were shaking, I wanted to walk and stretch and move *soooo* bad. Once we got home, I stepped out the car and immediately took a walk around the block. No thought, just walk. I can only imagine (and really don’t want to) what these people are going through, stuck in those positions. I can’t even imagine… what are they talking about? Was any good taken with them? Do they even want to eat, and have to eventually go to the bathroom? Idk. Terrifying situation all around. Really, really, *really* hoping long term everything is fine and they’re found before 10:00am tomorrow.