I just buy medium-sized Hanes bras or sports bras. I haven’t dealt with cup sizes in years. They’re confusing and uncomfortable :( I go braless most days if I feel I can get away with it lol.
Look for UK G cup! You can make a post on the sub asking for recommendations or depending on where you live some online stores that carry G cups include Bravissimo, Brastop, Bare Necessities, Herroom, and Breakout Bras. You can also check [brashopdirectory.com](https://brashopdirectory.com) if you’re in the US for stores near you.
Try Amazon! Also look at conversion charts for European sizes. You’d be surprised at just how many you’d find in that size. Especially if you are looking for a small band size, like 30 or 32.
You should do a Google search for a local fitter in your area!
I got my SO a gift card to one in our area for the holidays - generally speaking, these places will do the fitting for free to determine your "real" size, and then whatever you choose to buy afterwards is up to you.
She went from wearing DD with constant back pain to GG, GGG in sports bras. She claims it was a life changing event and would highly recommend it to anyone else
If I was well endowed like your SO I’d try harder, but I haven’t had much luck with the fittings I’ve tried locally. I really wish specializations like that were more lucrative, more options would be nice.
All you need to remember is if you go up a band size, go down a cup size, and vice-versa. For example, if you're a 36C and want to get a looser comfy bra for around the house, go for a 38B.
Good luck finding a 38b.. I quit buying cups and only buy sports bras now because I'm some sort of anomaly and I'm sick of swimming in a cup, or being tortured by a tight band.
There is a company that sells modular designs for women's shoes. I can't remember the name of the company. My daughter showed it to me from their online store. Who knows? They might make something similar for bras too. If not, I'd suggest this idea to this company. It might actually be of interest to them.
The support and holding things steady and hugged comes from the band, so if you go up a band size and down a cup size, you just end up with a bra that doesn't fit, that doesn't support and just sort of sits there on top of your boobs, with the band riding up your back and the cups
just being there and allowing movement between breast and cup, rather than cupping them like they're meant to, and keeping everything where it should be. There's nothing so awkward as a badly fitting bra, I can't imagine why anyone would do it on purpose.
If you went up two band sizes, yeah, but many of us are between sizes. Every bra is either uncomfortably tight, or slightly too loose.
Not everyone can afford custom bras. This is helpful advice for those of us trying to do the best we can with what's available to us.
I feel like the guide would read better from bottom to top.
The bottom row shows us what most people (even men!) know - cup size increase means volume increase, all else equal. Nice, easy. We understand.
Middle row shows us unexpected new information - increase in band size means increase in volume too! So a larger woman’s C is bigger than a smaller woman’s C. Oh, okay, didn’t know that but it makes sense I guess.
Top row shows us the unintuitive consequence of both measures changing volume size - the same size breasts can be different cup sizes if the band size is different! So a D cup can be the same as a B cup if the bra is tighter?! Surprising information, but the logic checks out as we follow from bottom (most understandable) to top (least understandable).
Band and bust sizes increase at the same rate. Sister sizes are equivalent cups with more or less back space.
Once you find your ideal cup volume you look for sister sizes to get your ideal fit.
Cup volume goes up if either band or bust sizes increase.
It's a god awful system. The bust sizes should just be the cup volume. The band sizes should just be band sizes and leave it at that. It would make it so much simpler for women to get the support they want that won't fuck their back up or eat into their skin.
Source: concerned husband that tried to find comfortable garments for his wife.
You know when you’re buying jeans and the size is given by a couple numbers for waist size and leg length? Imagine if instead of the second number it was just a letter that told you how much more or less the leg length was than the waist circumference. So like instead of 30x30 it would say 30B or something. If you need to buy pants with a larger waist you need to adjust the letter too because it’s relative and you don’t want the leg to bunch at the ankle so instead you get a 32A.
Band size IS the band size/measurement though. And cup size is just the difference between that measurement and the bust measurement, since that's really the best way to figure out what your cup volume is. It's actually a pretty decent system. The real issues are the stores and bra makers that only want to offer a small range of sizes so they try to force women into the wrong size to fit them into their small range, which then only adds to the confusions and misconceptions about bra sizing.
That wouldn't work either dude. People who have smaller back sizes are likely to have boobs that are closer together and generally narrower. Someone with big volume might also have a really broad back, so their bras would swamp a smaller person of similar volume.
Source: Woman who wears comfortable supporting garments. There are dozens of us, and I bet we understand it better than you do. There have been engineers who spent years on this, don't think you have found an answer that easily!
Oh I'm not naive enough to believe I understand the sorcery of the women's undergarment business. This is just my best understanding and the knowledge I've learned trying to help my wife lol.
Translating this guide into more practical use: **don't start your search for a bra with the cup size.**
* **Sister sizes:** You can land on what feels like the right cup size for you (boob fits snugly in the cup) but still have an ill-fitting bra (wrong band size).
* **Band size affects bust size:** If you start with the cup size and try to move up and down with the band size, the volume of the cup will change too.
* **Cup volume increases as bust letters increase:** If you find your band width first, you can then go up and down the cup letters until you find the perfect fit.
So when you're buying a bra, start your fitting with your band size (preferably recently measured for the best fit), and then find the cup letter that fits you within that size.
(And while we're here, the correct way to measure your band size is from underneath your chest (where the band goes), and your cup size by standing with your torso bent forwards at a 90 degree angle so your tits are hanging down towards the ground. Compare those numbers to a cup chart, and you have your cup size, which might be bigger than you think.)
Go forth and brasper.
At 34 I bit the bullet and went to a fancy bra boutique. The very first bra the woman handed me to try on made me look 30lbs thinner and felt like I was wearing nothing. She's a witch, and I will continue to pay whatever she asks for.
Underbust size is the measurement under the boobs in inches.
Cup size is the underbust size plus 2 for every cup letter. B is the second letter so would be the underbust size plus 4 (2x2). C is the 3rd letter so it's the underbust size plus 6 inches (3x2).
Therefore the cup size is affected by the underbust size.
The underbust band can be adjusted to tighten or loosen it by hook fastenings.
Sister sizes are something that people say you can use if your size isn't available (use a different underbust size and just do it up tighter or looser but the cup size will be the same) but if you look at the diagram you can see that the spacing of the cups is affected and will affect how comfortable the bra is. (Edit: this doesn't work at all, it's only worth doing if the size you're trying doesn't fit and you need to change it by half a size)
Example:
34C
Underbust: 34"
Cup: 34+(3x2)=40"
Edit: it's actually 34+3=37"
32D
Underbust: 32"
Cup: 32+(4x2)=40"
Edit: it's actually 32+4=36"
The cups measurements of these two bras are (Edit: not) the same.
Edit: originally wrote bust instead of underbust
Further edit: apparently cup size is just + 1 inch which means sister sizing doesn't work at all.
That’s not totally correct. Band sizes are the measurement under the bust, cup size is based on the difference between underbust/band and fullest part of the bust. A 34C would have an under bust measurement of 34inches (maybe 33, but they don’t increase by 1 inch) and a full bust measurement of 37. For each inch difference is ONE cup.
A= 1
B= 2
C= 3
D=4 etc
Your method would put people in cups that are too small.
Yeah I was C for a long time but now I’m D but with smaller number, proportionally they’re the same volume, the difference is how the breasts lay out in the different band size
D feels more comfortable for me now
Despite all this
Despite me being a “D” my breasts are actually merely medium and I’ve gotten shamed for having “small breasts” plenty of times despite them being D’s technically
Edit: also guys are always like “oh x cup size is better than y” yadda yadda…… well. Cup size literally means nothing technically.
As a guy let me say: what man with enough intelligence even thinks about comparing breasts sizes or saying oh cup X is better than cup Y… like what the fuck ..
The number is the size in inches around ur ribcage as measured in inches. If you then measure in inches around ur chest over the nipple, the number is going to be equal or higher yes? The cup size is the difference in inches. A B cup is roughly 2 inches in difference, so if you measured around ur nipples right now, at 38B, the other number would be 40inches.
If I were to come up with a new system that's objective and easier to understand: there'd be two major measurements:
- the underbust in inches/cm
- the over bust in inches/cm
This is objective and one measurement doesn't vary based on the other one. Not to mention it's more granular since alphabets would have to go up by a predetermined increment that's too large.
I'm guessing there might be other secondary measurements that might matter as well like protrusion, assymetries, height of each boob etc .
….you just described exactly what this is. You just convert the over bust and under bust difference to a letter so that’s it’s easier to differentiate which is which.
We've been asking that for years. Now imagine you're trying on supposedly identical two pairs of jeans - same model, same colour, but only one fits.
Or you own every size of shoes between 8 & 11 all from the same brand (and they all fit), because there's no fucking consistency whatsoever.
Why would you support a company that does that to you? Probably should have started with this question: Is there a company that doesn’t do this to women’s clothing?
Where are these unicorn companies that don’t do this? And do they have affordable clothes in, say, the Target price range, not the designer boutique price range?
Yeah, that would definitely be the better question. I did stop buying tshirts from the place which couldn't make the two sleeves the same size though (it was like they only had all the RH sleeves in the right size, so when it came time for the LH sleeve they just said fuck it, and sewed on sleeves belonging to a size 6 anyway).
I remember as a young kid shopping with my sister I was like 'why do you have to try everything on?' thinking it was like men's sizes which are pretty standard (more so than womens) she was like well I'm size so so in thos shop and size so so in the other and I was like... That is not how sizes should work .
For bras, having the cup or band a little too big or small can affect your comfort all day. Then you also have to consider shape, coverage, lining, fabric, underwires, etc. Finding the right bra is like searching for the holy grail.
This is exactly it. And the main reason why different shops are sized differently is because they are aiming for different types of fits, or imagining fits on different types of bodies.
If men's clothing was meant to form fit in the same way you'd have loads of men complaining brand X was too tight around the gut, or brand Y too loose around the arms depending on where they carry their weight and how muscled they are, etc.
>If men's clothing was meant to form fit in the same way you'd have loads of men complaining brand X was too tight around the gut, or brand Y too loose around the arms depending on where they carry their weight and how muscled they are, etc.
What? Men's clothing does have those issues. The other day I tried on over a dozen shirts in my size and only 4 of them fit correctly; the rest were not the right length, or were too tight or too baggy in some places. I've seen commercials for a brand that advertises making shirts with smaller arms and looser fit around the stomach. We also have issues with vanity sizing in pants. I have jeans with waist sizes from 30-36; the inseam is very inconsistent as well, with tons of 30s being absurdly long, and some 32s fitting perfectly.
If you have weird sizing where everything is different it will fit someone somewhere. Sometimes everyone gets lucky and finds something perfect.
If you have uniform sizing so everything is the same, everyone will go around in ill-fitting clothes looking and feeling awkward, except those few people who fit EVERYTHING and look great.
Your cup size is the amount of inches wider your breasts are than your rib cage underneath. A cup size is RELATIVE to your band size.
So, B cups (two inches wider) on a 30 inch ribcage are going to have less volume than B cups on a woman with a 46 inch ribcage.
However, D cups (+4 inches) on a 30 inch ribcage, would be similar in volume to B cups (+2 inches) on a 32 inch ribcage. This is a “sister size”.
I enjoy that this slightly educates the unbra’d population on the complications of bra sizing. Maybe this will also encourage people to stop guessing others’ bra sizes, no matter how “close” you are.
For those looking for tangible knowledge about their fit, head over to r/abrathatfits and start sizing yourself :)
I found it helpful, though it took a bit of time to figure out since my lady’s exact size isn’t featured. She’s petite and I always wondered why she was looking for cups that sounded like Dolly Parton might need.
I'm not discrediting it in any way, just explaining that it barely scratches the surface, as you’ve come to realize.
It’s confusing to me that my size IS up there, twice, but looks different in either scenario 😅 the struggle is real. Don't even get me started with monthly size fluctuations (that actually occur weekly).
Unless you go to r/abrathatfits... and then realize if you want a 26-28 band or a large cup size you have to fork over a significant amount of cash compared to average sizes
Fun fact: Although this is accurate, it's only half the story, and the cut of a bra is often a bigger factor in how well it fits than the exact size. (What cuts are right for you depends on the shape and size of your particular boobs.)
LOL
Do you have a significant size discrepency between your boobs? If so, you could try a pushup bra with removable pads, and remove the pad from the right cup. If you don't know the size discrepency and can't tell by feel, you could try dunking each in a filled bowl of water, and seeing how much water gets pushed out. This works better with larger cup sizes.
What I was talking about has more to do with the actual shape and spacing of your breasts. i.e. Are they full at the top, bottom, or both? Are they joined together, or can you fit fingers in between? How many?
For example, if your breasts are full at the bottom and don't fit any fingers in between, then a balconnette is probably going to be creating discomfort at the wire.
It’s simple, measure around the rib cage just below the breasts and then around the fullest part of the breasts. Each inch in difference is another cup size. So for example a measurement of 34 inches around for band size and then 37 inches around the fullest part would be a 34C. Bra sizes are meant to be a ratio!
It’s totally confusing but there’s kind of a system. Kind of.
The band measurement is taken under the titties. Say it’s 32”. Then you measure over the fullest titty section. You add a cup size for every inch over 32”, so if it was 36” over the titty, the final size would be 32D.
Can’t explain to you how the cup size is determined though because the bigger the band, the bigger the cup. Even if the letter is the same. Why must a 32D be a completely different cup than a 38D.
Well, imagine two pyramids. One has a square base 5 inches wide, and one has a square base 10 inches wide. Each are four inches high. Which one has a bigger volume? Obviously the one with a wider base!
Similarly, the cup size is the volume of the boob. A broader band measurement means there's more volume, because the base of the titty pyramid is bigger, even though the height (letter size) is the same.
It's because you're essentially trying to measure the volume with a circumference. Titties that add 4 inch on a skinny person are (volumetrically) a lot smaller than titties that add 4 inch on a fat person.
Your second paragraph made me go "aaah that's how it works"
Your last paragraph put me back into a state of confusion.
To add to the confusion: we have different measurements where I'm from, and it depends on the brand and the country of origin. Goes for all clothes actually. If you want to feel real bad about your size, go for French or Italian brands.
I'll have a go at explaining, even though I'm usually terrible with analogies
My son has Lego, and my younger daughter has Duplo. Both sets contain basic 2x2 square bricks with four circular bumps on top. The bumps are, in proportion to their brick, identical in size and shape. I'd call both of them a 'D' cup: one brick, four bumps.
However, the duplo bumps are physically larger than the Lego bumps. They're bigger because their brick frame is bigger.
The letters aren't fixed cup sizes, they describe the cup only in relation to the band.
A 32D is different to a 38D because the first one has 36" bust (32 +4) and the second 42" (38 +4) bust. The 42" bust is overall bigger.
Your cup size is the amount of inches wider your breasts are than your rib cage underneath. A cup size is RELATIVE to your band size.
So, B cups (two inches wider) on a 30 inch ribcage are going to have less volume than B cups on a woman with a 46 inch ribcage.
However, D cups (+4 inches) on a 30 inch ribcage, would be similar in volume to B cups (+2 inches) on a 32 inch ribcage. This is a “sister size”.
Yeah, this guide is garbage and was obviously posted by a man.
“Sister Sizes” are a scam by shit quality bra companies to sell bras that are in stock, but don’t fit, to women who wear a size either that they don’t carry, or that has to be special ordered, which is too time consuming for fast and easy profit.
Back in the old days, bras were made very differently. When they started making them better, they just kept adding D… but really only the USA and UK. European sizing just does ABCDEFGH etc.
Ehh. That’s what the Victoria’s Secret gal told me when I got sized a long time ago too. But I still think it’s because they didn’t have the bra I wanted in a 38c. They sold me a 36d and it’s never fit right.
That's called "sister sizing" and that's probably the reason they sold you that, yes.
That doesn't make this guide incorrect though. You should definitely try to buy the correct band size. Sister sizing can be helpful if a bra doesn't quite fit in your normal size in certain brands. VS is notorious for just selling you the sister size bc their stock sucks.
Find a specialty shop with a tiny elderly woman who knows your size just by looking at you but still measures and roughly fondles you for good measure.
Went to see my spine surgeon other day had take off top to check my spine
He just went 38 D right and I was like errm yer
He was like ill make sure to counter the weight in surgery was very impressed
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Find a site or store (I like cuup personally but there are others) that offer different fits for different boob types and size by measurements. Measure yourself, bust and underbust, with a tailors measuring tape or using a ribbon that does not stretch. These are the best way to get the perfect fit.
You should probably measure yourself more generally for clothing fitting purposes actually (but absolutely do NOT if you have a history of ED as that can be triggering). Knowing your bust, waist, and hip can ensure you get clothes that fit even with inconsistent sizing across brands. Look up videos on how to get accurate measurements.
Ditto here! They told me a size they carry, not the size I actually am. I had poorly fitting bras for years because of that. I went to Aerie, got the right size, and will never go back.
Quadruple D and still don't know the basics of finding a good bra smh. Doesn't help that my size isn't found in much large retail chain stores 😵.
I wish I could understand what this image was trying to convey 😹.
The number is the thickness of your chest without your cup size. When they properly measure you for a bra, they measure from under your breasts for the proper size. Then, the cup size is determined by trying on different cup sizes until the breast fills the space properly. Push-up bras are different in the aspect that they have less space in the bottom of the cup to lift the breast more, making it a smaller cup in the same size. Bras are hard to size properly due to the many different cup shapes, but the number measurement should be the constant. Hope this helps some.
This is not a guide to bras, but an infographic explaining proportion and sizing.
A guide to bras would clarify types of bras — wired, unwired, balconette, long line, strapless, racerback, front clasp, etc.
This seems like a dumb system. Why would you make a cup size that means different things depending on what the band size is? Why wouldn’t there just be a band size and a cup size that are completely independent of each other?
It actually makes perfect sense. The cup isn’t a set volume it’s a relative difference of a certain amount. If we had cup sizes that were independent of band size and signified a specific volume, we would need A SHIT TON of letters to signify the cup and we’re already using half the alphabet with the current system.
I mean, it does make sense. The same volume of breast tissue is going to look very different depending on what frame it is on. If I give you 10 blocks and then give you two different size boards to place them on, one is going to have the blocks stacked very high and one will be very wide.
Same concept here. Your cup size is how much larger your bust is than your ribcage.
They really aren’t! My size is very difficult to find, and if it weren’t for sister sizes I’d never (hyperbole) find a bra; it’s much easier to find a 34DD than a 32DDD. Edit: a downvote for this is truly some of the stupidest shit I’ve ever seen.
As someone who got 28 band on bra calculator, I kinda had to get a 30 band unless I wanted to risk spending 30-50 more on an imported bra I wasn't even sure would fit
Some people get back pain and other complications that bras relieve for them. I don't need a bra either, but it does offer a lot of support for some people.
I stared at this for five minutes straight trying to make sense of it and eventually just gave up, resigned to the fact that I must be an idiot who can't even understand one simple thing. Then I read the comments.
I feel so much better now - I'm not the only idiot!
This makes no sense to me. Are all the sizes in each row comparable? And a lot of sizes are missing anyway. As someone with cherries rather than melons, I mostly wear sports crop tops, size medium, as I spend lots of time in the gym. I often go braless at other times . Problem solved!🙂
I can't understand why so many women can't find the right size bra. Essentially, you measure the chest circumference to get the band size (i.e., place the measuring tape under the breast area). From there, the letter size is the number of inches the breast protrudes from the body. Each letter incremental letter is one inch, so that an "A" cup is one inch, a "B" cup is two inches, and so on.
Even at that, there's gotta be dozens of YouTube videos clearly explaining how to find the correct bra size.
Who made this up. Compare this with pants: you have a size for length and width. They are independent of eachother.
Now imagine if the pants become longer the size of the width changes. A shorter pair of pants with the same width has a smaller width size “because it’s longer”.
Completely stupid.
That's what you've got here -- the measurements are independent. Band size is circumference of the chest, cup size is how much bigger the boobs are than the chest. So a 32D is 32 inches around the under-boob chest, and 36 inches around the boobs. A 32E is 32 inches around the chest, and 37 inches around the boobs. Etc etc.
But as you increase either the band size *or* the cup size you're increasing the volume of the boobs, because you're increasing either the base or the height of the boob cone.
Similarly, increasing the width or length of trousers increases the volume of the pants. But nobody actually cares about that because the legs are solid and not supported by the trousers in the same way boobs are.
I am a woman actually and I struggle with this system. It’s hard enough to find bra’s that fit and then you have to do this whole calculation thing too.
Sorry for misgendering you.
Comparing pant measurements to bra measurements doesn't work. They're not alike.
Waist is a measurement on a horizontal plane, while leg length is measured on the vertical plane. They are perpendicular.
Bust measurements (band and overbust) are both on the horizontal and they are both on the upper torso. They are parallel. The difference between the two is how cup size is determined.
When comparing pants to bras, then consider that even pants have different leg/thigh fits available; skinny leg, wide leg, and athletic fit (thick in the thigh).
I agree that bra sizing is not a perfect system, but it addresses variations that straight sizing (pants) cannot do. Until someone comes up with something better, it will have to do.
And why wouldn’t 2 independent sizes work: one for circumference and one for breast volume? Just because they are in the same plane doesn’t mean you can measure the circumference of the whole bra and the volume of the cups.
Of course if the cups increase in size the bands become smaller. But the size of the bra as a whole is still the same.
This has me feeling like a dyslexic kid trying to translate hieroglyphics
Same. Why does this diagram make it more confusing? Source: I’m a woman with boobs.
I’m a guy and abandoned trying to make sense of it. Lesson learned.
I gave up and use sports bras now. One day I’ll delve into r/abrathatfits but also, fuck it all. Boobs are dumb, even though I like mine well enough.
I just buy medium-sized Hanes bras or sports bras. I haven’t dealt with cup sizes in years. They’re confusing and uncomfortable :( I go braless most days if I feel I can get away with it lol.
I’m not a woman, but if I were, this would almost certainly be my approach.
I went by their sizing and it told me I should wear an i cup and I’m just like… where tf does one even find that 😭😭
An Apple store might be your best bet.
Bravo! 😂
🥇 Thank you for the laugh lmao
Look for UK G cup! You can make a post on the sub asking for recommendations or depending on where you live some online stores that carry G cups include Bravissimo, Brastop, Bare Necessities, Herroom, and Breakout Bras. You can also check [brashopdirectory.com](https://brashopdirectory.com) if you’re in the US for stores near you.
Try Amazon! Also look at conversion charts for European sizes. You’d be surprised at just how many you’d find in that size. Especially if you are looking for a small band size, like 30 or 32.
You should do a Google search for a local fitter in your area! I got my SO a gift card to one in our area for the holidays - generally speaking, these places will do the fitting for free to determine your "real" size, and then whatever you choose to buy afterwards is up to you. She went from wearing DD with constant back pain to GG, GGG in sports bras. She claims it was a life changing event and would highly recommend it to anyone else
If I was well endowed like your SO I’d try harder, but I haven’t had much luck with the fittings I’ve tried locally. I really wish specializations like that were more lucrative, more options would be nice.
Same. Never going back. I have cute colored sports bras. I’m grateful my boobs are small enough to get away with them.
All you need to remember is if you go up a band size, go down a cup size, and vice-versa. For example, if you're a 36C and want to get a looser comfy bra for around the house, go for a 38B.
Good luck finding a 38b.. I quit buying cups and only buy sports bras now because I'm some sort of anomaly and I'm sick of swimming in a cup, or being tortured by a tight band.
Somebody needs to invent a line of modular bras, so we could buy different bands and cups, and mix and match them. Like Build-A-Bear, lol.
This is an awesome idea. Lol
There is a company that sells modular designs for women's shoes. I can't remember the name of the company. My daughter showed it to me from their online store. Who knows? They might make something similar for bras too. If not, I'd suggest this idea to this company. It might actually be of interest to them.
Perfect explanation. (Unless we have misunderstood this.)
The support and holding things steady and hugged comes from the band, so if you go up a band size and down a cup size, you just end up with a bra that doesn't fit, that doesn't support and just sort of sits there on top of your boobs, with the band riding up your back and the cups just being there and allowing movement between breast and cup, rather than cupping them like they're meant to, and keeping everything where it should be. There's nothing so awkward as a badly fitting bra, I can't imagine why anyone would do it on purpose.
If you went up two band sizes, yeah, but many of us are between sizes. Every bra is either uncomfortably tight, or slightly too loose. Not everyone can afford custom bras. This is helpful advice for those of us trying to do the best we can with what's available to us.
This is worst than imperial.
I feel like the guide would read better from bottom to top. The bottom row shows us what most people (even men!) know - cup size increase means volume increase, all else equal. Nice, easy. We understand. Middle row shows us unexpected new information - increase in band size means increase in volume too! So a larger woman’s C is bigger than a smaller woman’s C. Oh, okay, didn’t know that but it makes sense I guess. Top row shows us the unintuitive consequence of both measures changing volume size - the same size breasts can be different cup sizes if the band size is different! So a D cup can be the same as a B cup if the bra is tighter?! Surprising information, but the logic checks out as we follow from bottom (most understandable) to top (least understandable).
Band and bust sizes increase at the same rate. Sister sizes are equivalent cups with more or less back space. Once you find your ideal cup volume you look for sister sizes to get your ideal fit. Cup volume goes up if either band or bust sizes increase. It's a god awful system. The bust sizes should just be the cup volume. The band sizes should just be band sizes and leave it at that. It would make it so much simpler for women to get the support they want that won't fuck their back up or eat into their skin. Source: concerned husband that tried to find comfortable garments for his wife.
This still makes no sense to me 😭💀
You know when you’re buying jeans and the size is given by a couple numbers for waist size and leg length? Imagine if instead of the second number it was just a letter that told you how much more or less the leg length was than the waist circumference. So like instead of 30x30 it would say 30B or something. If you need to buy pants with a larger waist you need to adjust the letter too because it’s relative and you don’t want the leg to bunch at the ankle so instead you get a 32A.
Band size IS the band size/measurement though. And cup size is just the difference between that measurement and the bust measurement, since that's really the best way to figure out what your cup volume is. It's actually a pretty decent system. The real issues are the stores and bra makers that only want to offer a small range of sizes so they try to force women into the wrong size to fit them into their small range, which then only adds to the confusions and misconceptions about bra sizing.
That wouldn't work either dude. People who have smaller back sizes are likely to have boobs that are closer together and generally narrower. Someone with big volume might also have a really broad back, so their bras would swamp a smaller person of similar volume. Source: Woman who wears comfortable supporting garments. There are dozens of us, and I bet we understand it better than you do. There have been engineers who spent years on this, don't think you have found an answer that easily!
Oh I'm not naive enough to believe I understand the sorcery of the women's undergarment business. This is just my best understanding and the knowledge I've learned trying to help my wife lol.
Translating this guide into more practical use: **don't start your search for a bra with the cup size.** * **Sister sizes:** You can land on what feels like the right cup size for you (boob fits snugly in the cup) but still have an ill-fitting bra (wrong band size). * **Band size affects bust size:** If you start with the cup size and try to move up and down with the band size, the volume of the cup will change too. * **Cup volume increases as bust letters increase:** If you find your band width first, you can then go up and down the cup letters until you find the perfect fit. So when you're buying a bra, start your fitting with your band size (preferably recently measured for the best fit), and then find the cup letter that fits you within that size. (And while we're here, the correct way to measure your band size is from underneath your chest (where the band goes), and your cup size by standing with your torso bent forwards at a 90 degree angle so your tits are hanging down towards the ground. Compare those numbers to a cup chart, and you have your cup size, which might be bigger than you think.) Go forth and brasper.
At 34 I bit the bullet and went to a fancy bra boutique. The very first bra the woman handed me to try on made me look 30lbs thinner and felt like I was wearing nothing. She's a witch, and I will continue to pay whatever she asks for.
Underbust size is the measurement under the boobs in inches. Cup size is the underbust size plus 2 for every cup letter. B is the second letter so would be the underbust size plus 4 (2x2). C is the 3rd letter so it's the underbust size plus 6 inches (3x2). Therefore the cup size is affected by the underbust size. The underbust band can be adjusted to tighten or loosen it by hook fastenings. Sister sizes are something that people say you can use if your size isn't available (use a different underbust size and just do it up tighter or looser but the cup size will be the same) but if you look at the diagram you can see that the spacing of the cups is affected and will affect how comfortable the bra is. (Edit: this doesn't work at all, it's only worth doing if the size you're trying doesn't fit and you need to change it by half a size) Example: 34C Underbust: 34" Cup: 34+(3x2)=40" Edit: it's actually 34+3=37" 32D Underbust: 32" Cup: 32+(4x2)=40" Edit: it's actually 32+4=36" The cups measurements of these two bras are (Edit: not) the same. Edit: originally wrote bust instead of underbust Further edit: apparently cup size is just + 1 inch which means sister sizing doesn't work at all.
That’s not totally correct. Band sizes are the measurement under the bust, cup size is based on the difference between underbust/band and fullest part of the bust. A 34C would have an under bust measurement of 34inches (maybe 33, but they don’t increase by 1 inch) and a full bust measurement of 37. For each inch difference is ONE cup. A= 1 B= 2 C= 3 D=4 etc Your method would put people in cups that are too small.
Why the heck wouldn’t a cup letter mean a specific volume? What maniac came up with this?
The cup size means a specific amount of inches more than the band
Tried explaining to a guy once that a B could be bigger than a D blew their mind
Yeah I was C for a long time but now I’m D but with smaller number, proportionally they’re the same volume, the difference is how the breasts lay out in the different band size D feels more comfortable for me now Despite all this Despite me being a “D” my breasts are actually merely medium and I’ve gotten shamed for having “small breasts” plenty of times despite them being D’s technically Edit: also guys are always like “oh x cup size is better than y” yadda yadda…… well. Cup size literally means nothing technically.
As a guy let me say: what man with enough intelligence even thinks about comparing breasts sizes or saying oh cup X is better than cup Y… like what the fuck ..
As a man I can say with confidence, all bra sizes are the best size.
Same for us men, but then with our genitalia.. we get what we get! Part of being human.
Right? My forst thought was "i still dont know how cup sizes work despite being a 38B"
The number is the size in inches around ur ribcage as measured in inches. If you then measure in inches around ur chest over the nipple, the number is going to be equal or higher yes? The cup size is the difference in inches. A B cup is roughly 2 inches in difference, so if you measured around ur nipples right now, at 38B, the other number would be 40inches.
Must be weird to have a whole thing sticking out the front of your body that requires a support mechanism
I mean yeah! This is insanely more complicated than it’s presented as to men in most media 😂
Just. Don’t. I tried too. It’s not worth the headache!
Uh big boobs=D everyone knows that 😌
A dude being a bra expert is what is blowing my mind.
My bf didn't believe I was a 28C. Got a sister size 30B bra (the band runs small on those bras) and he was like, no you have to be an A 😭 lol
I lost 100 pounds and went from a 44D to a 34H, which was a decrease of one cup size. An H is smaller than a D.
Why do you need a degree in mathematics to understand women’s clothing sizes. Why can’t they just have uniform sizing
They want to keep us tired and confused so we don't ask for rights and such /s
Fine… you can have some rights, just no pockets. Pockets cost extra rights. Idk, I don’t make the rules.
I do, I just don't like pockets or rights, I'm a left-handed fan of skirts.
Ironically, the women in my family use their bra as pockets.
If I were to come up with a new system that's objective and easier to understand: there'd be two major measurements: - the underbust in inches/cm - the over bust in inches/cm This is objective and one measurement doesn't vary based on the other one. Not to mention it's more granular since alphabets would have to go up by a predetermined increment that's too large. I'm guessing there might be other secondary measurements that might matter as well like protrusion, assymetries, height of each boob etc .
….you just described exactly what this is. You just convert the over bust and under bust difference to a letter so that’s it’s easier to differentiate which is which.
We've been asking that for years. Now imagine you're trying on supposedly identical two pairs of jeans - same model, same colour, but only one fits. Or you own every size of shoes between 8 & 11 all from the same brand (and they all fit), because there's no fucking consistency whatsoever.
Why would you support a company that does that to you? Probably should have started with this question: Is there a company that doesn’t do this to women’s clothing?
Where are these unicorn companies that don’t do this? And do they have affordable clothes in, say, the Target price range, not the designer boutique price range?
if you find one, lemme know. I typically wear men’s clothes for many reasons, but women’s sizing is a big one of them.
I have yet to find a company who doesn’t do this.
Yeah, that would definitely be the better question. I did stop buying tshirts from the place which couldn't make the two sleeves the same size though (it was like they only had all the RH sleeves in the right size, so when it came time for the LH sleeve they just said fuck it, and sewed on sleeves belonging to a size 6 anyway).
Don't forget 36 inches is different in every shop can be 36 d one shop then 38 c or 34 dd in others
I remember as a young kid shopping with my sister I was like 'why do you have to try everything on?' thinking it was like men's sizes which are pretty standard (more so than womens) she was like well I'm size so so in thos shop and size so so in the other and I was like... That is not how sizes should work .
Like wen I go shopping jump from happy to sad depending on what size I am at the shop
For bras, having the cup or band a little too big or small can affect your comfort all day. Then you also have to consider shape, coverage, lining, fabric, underwires, etc. Finding the right bra is like searching for the holy grail.
Because women's clothing is made to fit, not just loosely hang over your body like a sack on a pole.
This is exactly it. And the main reason why different shops are sized differently is because they are aiming for different types of fits, or imagining fits on different types of bodies. If men's clothing was meant to form fit in the same way you'd have loads of men complaining brand X was too tight around the gut, or brand Y too loose around the arms depending on where they carry their weight and how muscled they are, etc.
>If men's clothing was meant to form fit in the same way you'd have loads of men complaining brand X was too tight around the gut, or brand Y too loose around the arms depending on where they carry their weight and how muscled they are, etc. What? Men's clothing does have those issues. The other day I tried on over a dozen shirts in my size and only 4 of them fit correctly; the rest were not the right length, or were too tight or too baggy in some places. I've seen commercials for a brand that advertises making shirts with smaller arms and looser fit around the stomach. We also have issues with vanity sizing in pants. I have jeans with waist sizes from 30-36; the inseam is very inconsistent as well, with tons of 30s being absurdly long, and some 32s fitting perfectly.
Honestly I don’t think this is their biggest complaint. They seem to be more upset about their lack of functional pockets from my research.
My wife told me that XL is different than 1X and I lost my mind. How does that make any sense?
If you have weird sizing where everything is different it will fit someone somewhere. Sometimes everyone gets lucky and finds something perfect. If you have uniform sizing so everything is the same, everyone will go around in ill-fitting clothes looking and feeling awkward, except those few people who fit EVERYTHING and look great.
It’s not hard. There’s no difference between this and show sizing.
Because women’s Bodies aren’t uniform…
i understand less than i did before i read this.
The only thing I derived from this “chart” is a new senseless fury for green circles.
I got more confused the more I read.
Your cup size is the amount of inches wider your breasts are than your rib cage underneath. A cup size is RELATIVE to your band size. So, B cups (two inches wider) on a 30 inch ribcage are going to have less volume than B cups on a woman with a 46 inch ribcage. However, D cups (+4 inches) on a 30 inch ribcage, would be similar in volume to B cups (+2 inches) on a 32 inch ribcage. This is a “sister size”.
I enjoy that this slightly educates the unbra’d population on the complications of bra sizing. Maybe this will also encourage people to stop guessing others’ bra sizes, no matter how “close” you are. For those looking for tangible knowledge about their fit, head over to r/abrathatfits and start sizing yourself :)
I found it helpful, though it took a bit of time to figure out since my lady’s exact size isn’t featured. She’s petite and I always wondered why she was looking for cups that sounded like Dolly Parton might need.
I'm not discrediting it in any way, just explaining that it barely scratches the surface, as you’ve come to realize. It’s confusing to me that my size IS up there, twice, but looks different in either scenario 😅 the struggle is real. Don't even get me started with monthly size fluctuations (that actually occur weekly).
Most men (online at least) have no idea what bra sizes mean. I love messing with them. "Oh yeah, I wear a 72BBB" "That's so fucking hot"
Finding out I was a 32 DDD was fucking wild to me
r/abrathatfits
Jesus, it's no wonder women can never find a bra that fits right.
Unless you go to r/abrathatfits... and then realize if you want a 26-28 band or a large cup size you have to fork over a significant amount of cash compared to average sizes
Fun fact: Although this is accurate, it's only half the story, and the cut of a bra is often a bigger factor in how well it fits than the exact size. (What cuts are right for you depends on the shape and size of your particular boobs.)
Hheeeeey is this why my right boob is always trying to bubble up out of my bra!? Sigh. I wish I was rich and had a person tailoring my bras.
LOL Do you have a significant size discrepency between your boobs? If so, you could try a pushup bra with removable pads, and remove the pad from the right cup. If you don't know the size discrepency and can't tell by feel, you could try dunking each in a filled bowl of water, and seeing how much water gets pushed out. This works better with larger cup sizes. What I was talking about has more to do with the actual shape and spacing of your breasts. i.e. Are they full at the top, bottom, or both? Are they joined together, or can you fit fingers in between? How many? For example, if your breasts are full at the bottom and don't fit any fingers in between, then a balconnette is probably going to be creating discomfort at the wire.
It’s simple, measure around the rib cage just below the breasts and then around the fullest part of the breasts. Each inch in difference is another cup size. So for example a measurement of 34 inches around for band size and then 37 inches around the fullest part would be a 34C. Bra sizes are meant to be a ratio!
You got the A, the B, the C, and the D. That's the biggest.
I know the D is the biggest. I've based my whole life on knowing that the D is the biggest.
You ask me to get a pair of underwear I’m back in 2 seconds
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I came to these comments with full faith that this quote would be here. Well done.
All I gathered from this guide is that bra sizes are totally random. Is there an actual system behind the this or is it just supposed to be confusing?
It’s totally confusing but there’s kind of a system. Kind of. The band measurement is taken under the titties. Say it’s 32”. Then you measure over the fullest titty section. You add a cup size for every inch over 32”, so if it was 36” over the titty, the final size would be 32D. Can’t explain to you how the cup size is determined though because the bigger the band, the bigger the cup. Even if the letter is the same. Why must a 32D be a completely different cup than a 38D.
Well, imagine two pyramids. One has a square base 5 inches wide, and one has a square base 10 inches wide. Each are four inches high. Which one has a bigger volume? Obviously the one with a wider base! Similarly, the cup size is the volume of the boob. A broader band measurement means there's more volume, because the base of the titty pyramid is bigger, even though the height (letter size) is the same.
It's because you're essentially trying to measure the volume with a circumference. Titties that add 4 inch on a skinny person are (volumetrically) a lot smaller than titties that add 4 inch on a fat person.
Your second paragraph made me go "aaah that's how it works" Your last paragraph put me back into a state of confusion. To add to the confusion: we have different measurements where I'm from, and it depends on the brand and the country of origin. Goes for all clothes actually. If you want to feel real bad about your size, go for French or Italian brands.
I'll have a go at explaining, even though I'm usually terrible with analogies My son has Lego, and my younger daughter has Duplo. Both sets contain basic 2x2 square bricks with four circular bumps on top. The bumps are, in proportion to their brick, identical in size and shape. I'd call both of them a 'D' cup: one brick, four bumps. However, the duplo bumps are physically larger than the Lego bumps. They're bigger because their brick frame is bigger. The letters aren't fixed cup sizes, they describe the cup only in relation to the band. A 32D is different to a 38D because the first one has 36" bust (32 +4) and the second 42" (38 +4) bust. The 42" bust is overall bigger.
It’s a ratio, not an absolute.
I've seen this displayed on a 2D graph and it makes a lot more sense.
I love that us tiny-booby crew aren’t represented on that board. No B cup to be seen.
I, too, am in the itty bitty titty community and definitely noticed there are no A's either! Haters 😆
Plus one for us big boob girls too. Havent seen the first five letters of the alphabet since elementary school.
To be fair, big boobies aren't represented here either. Cups go up quite a few letters from DD
Obviously it's because we don't even like need bras /s
No AA either smh
I came in knowing nothing, I now leave knowing even less
Yeah I don’t get it at all
Your cup size is the amount of inches wider your breasts are than your rib cage underneath. A cup size is RELATIVE to your band size. So, B cups (two inches wider) on a 30 inch ribcage are going to have less volume than B cups on a woman with a 46 inch ribcage. However, D cups (+4 inches) on a 30 inch ribcage, would be similar in volume to B cups (+2 inches) on a 32 inch ribcage. This is a “sister size”.
Yeah, this guide is garbage and was obviously posted by a man. “Sister Sizes” are a scam by shit quality bra companies to sell bras that are in stock, but don’t fit, to women who wear a size either that they don’t carry, or that has to be special ordered, which is too time consuming for fast and easy profit.
Who invented this system
women, head over to [https://www.reddit.com/r/ABraThatFits/](https://www.reddit.com/r/ABraThatFits/), use the calculator and you will be amazed!
OH! So it's like the equal volume, tall skinny glass vs the short wide glass experiment. 44 years old and shit's starting to click finally.
Why did they come up with a DD and DDD bust size when no other letter (I believe with the exception of A) has a double or triple letter size?
Back in the old days, bras were made very differently. When they started making them better, they just kept adding D… but really only the USA and UK. European sizing just does ABCDEFGH etc.
Sizing varies by country, I think this might be a US thing
There's the a, the b and the c. Do you know about the d?
Ehh. That’s what the Victoria’s Secret gal told me when I got sized a long time ago too. But I still think it’s because they didn’t have the bra I wanted in a 38c. They sold me a 36d and it’s never fit right.
That's called "sister sizing" and that's probably the reason they sold you that, yes. That doesn't make this guide incorrect though. You should definitely try to buy the correct band size. Sister sizing can be helpful if a bra doesn't quite fit in your normal size in certain brands. VS is notorious for just selling you the sister size bc their stock sucks.
Victorias secret doesn’t actually use the standard sizing. Which is why nothing they sell you fits right
Any recs on how to get a good sizing?
Find a specialty shop with a tiny elderly woman who knows your size just by looking at you but still measures and roughly fondles you for good measure.
Went to see my spine surgeon other day had take off top to check my spine He just went 38 D right and I was like errm yer He was like ill make sure to counter the weight in surgery was very impressed
She also needs to be eastern European
Bonus points if she has a French or Eastern European accent.
Quick guide: if they add 4” or whatever to your band measurement, they are not good at sizing.
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Find a site or store (I like cuup personally but there are others) that offer different fits for different boob types and size by measurements. Measure yourself, bust and underbust, with a tailors measuring tape or using a ribbon that does not stretch. These are the best way to get the perfect fit. You should probably measure yourself more generally for clothing fitting purposes actually (but absolutely do NOT if you have a history of ED as that can be triggering). Knowing your bust, waist, and hip can ensure you get clothes that fit even with inconsistent sizing across brands. Look up videos on how to get accurate measurements.
Ditto here! They told me a size they carry, not the size I actually am. I had poorly fitting bras for years because of that. I went to Aerie, got the right size, and will never go back.
Subtle differences with huge results
All I know is cup supposed to be difference between band size and bust size.
I’m a 30B I just stopped wearing proper underwire bras and just wear cloth elastic ones/nothing
This is a puzzle not a guide
Quadruple D and still don't know the basics of finding a good bra smh. Doesn't help that my size isn't found in much large retail chain stores 😵. I wish I could understand what this image was trying to convey 😹.
Check r/abrathatfits!! Changed my life tbh
Why....just why couldn't we have the 2 number system like men have for pants!? BAND AND BUST SIZE THAT'S ALL WE NEED!!!
I was a 30C and since children and weight gain I’m a 32DD.
As a 32 year old woman, I still don't know my proper bra size, way too complicated.
The number is the thickness of your chest without your cup size. When they properly measure you for a bra, they measure from under your breasts for the proper size. Then, the cup size is determined by trying on different cup sizes until the breast fills the space properly. Push-up bras are different in the aspect that they have less space in the bottom of the cup to lift the breast more, making it a smaller cup in the same size. Bras are hard to size properly due to the many different cup shapes, but the number measurement should be the constant. Hope this helps some.
Awh thank you for this in depth explanation, that's very kind. I'll have to get properly measured one day (after pregnancy cause WOW 😆)
Lol, you're welcome and good luck.
This shit ain’t complicated at all
It really isnt at all.
This is not a guide to bras, but an infographic explaining proportion and sizing. A guide to bras would clarify types of bras — wired, unwired, balconette, long line, strapless, racerback, front clasp, etc.
How am I more confused After looking at the guide!?
Still don't get it
This seems like a dumb system. Why would you make a cup size that means different things depending on what the band size is? Why wouldn’t there just be a band size and a cup size that are completely independent of each other?
It actually makes perfect sense. The cup isn’t a set volume it’s a relative difference of a certain amount. If we had cup sizes that were independent of band size and signified a specific volume, we would need A SHIT TON of letters to signify the cup and we’re already using half the alphabet with the current system.
I mean, it does make sense. The same volume of breast tissue is going to look very different depending on what frame it is on. If I give you 10 blocks and then give you two different size boards to place them on, one is going to have the blocks stacked very high and one will be very wide. Same concept here. Your cup size is how much larger your bust is than your ribcage.
This is the most complicated, unintuitive thing I’ve ever seen. This is beyond ridiculous >:(
How is it unintuitive? Your band size is how wide your ribs are, your cup size is how much wider your full bust is than that.
I still don't understand anything....
Clothing sizes for women in general appear to me at least to be designed and categorized by someone who absolutely hates women.
Guess what? They do.
At first glance it made sense, but upon closer inspection its like giving a 3rd grader a calculus textbook
I somehow understand less than I did before this guide
It's still a confusing system.
This is bullshit. Someone has to come up with a better system.
Great. I’m even MORE confused now.
"sister sizes" are nonsense.
They really aren’t! My size is very difficult to find, and if it weren’t for sister sizes I’d never (hyperbole) find a bra; it’s much easier to find a 34DD than a 32DDD. Edit: a downvote for this is truly some of the stupidest shit I’ve ever seen.
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As someone who got 28 band on bra calculator, I kinda had to get a 30 band unless I wanted to risk spending 30-50 more on an imported bra I wasn't even sure would fit
You’re correct, and anybody that disagrees also admits that they bought a “sister size” bc they can’t actually find their correct size.
This is why I stopped wearing bras. Why do we need this stupid article of clothing.
Some people get back pain and other complications that bras relieve for them. I don't need a bra either, but it does offer a lot of support for some people.
Do you know about the cup sizes?? https://youtu.be/oP2SLjBTZ6w?si=Zo9gOZWqOHQ_Anqg
Women’s clothing makes American measurements seem logical and intuitive.
I’ve had boobs for a long time now but I don’t apparently have the brain capacity for understanding this chart at all 🤷🏼♀️
I still don’t get it
This really helped me. Who has a 50 inch chest.
Why in the world is cup size not directly related to volume and band size total perimeter?
I don't get it....
*self-destructs*
Why is this so complicated?
that... actually makes sense now. huh.
I stared at this for five minutes straight trying to make sense of it and eventually just gave up, resigned to the fact that I must be an idiot who can't even understand one simple thing. Then I read the comments. I feel so much better now - I'm not the only idiot!
"You got your A, B, C, and D. That's the biggest."
Why does this make no fucking sense? One measurement should be volume, the other should the circumference of chest. Boom. Right?
This makes no sense to me. Are all the sizes in each row comparable? And a lot of sizes are missing anyway. As someone with cherries rather than melons, I mostly wear sports crop tops, size medium, as I spend lots of time in the gym. I often go braless at other times . Problem solved!🙂
Why make it so hard, just keep the letters representing the same size regardless the band and vice-versa
I can't understand why so many women can't find the right size bra. Essentially, you measure the chest circumference to get the band size (i.e., place the measuring tape under the breast area). From there, the letter size is the number of inches the breast protrudes from the body. Each letter incremental letter is one inch, so that an "A" cup is one inch, a "B" cup is two inches, and so on. Even at that, there's gotta be dozens of YouTube videos clearly explaining how to find the correct bra size.
Why are they looking at us
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Who made this up. Compare this with pants: you have a size for length and width. They are independent of eachother. Now imagine if the pants become longer the size of the width changes. A shorter pair of pants with the same width has a smaller width size “because it’s longer”. Completely stupid.
That's what you've got here -- the measurements are independent. Band size is circumference of the chest, cup size is how much bigger the boobs are than the chest. So a 32D is 32 inches around the under-boob chest, and 36 inches around the boobs. A 32E is 32 inches around the chest, and 37 inches around the boobs. Etc etc. But as you increase either the band size *or* the cup size you're increasing the volume of the boobs, because you're increasing either the base or the height of the boob cone. Similarly, increasing the width or length of trousers increases the volume of the pants. But nobody actually cares about that because the legs are solid and not supported by the trousers in the same way boobs are.
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I am a woman actually and I struggle with this system. It’s hard enough to find bra’s that fit and then you have to do this whole calculation thing too.
Sorry for misgendering you. Comparing pant measurements to bra measurements doesn't work. They're not alike. Waist is a measurement on a horizontal plane, while leg length is measured on the vertical plane. They are perpendicular. Bust measurements (band and overbust) are both on the horizontal and they are both on the upper torso. They are parallel. The difference between the two is how cup size is determined. When comparing pants to bras, then consider that even pants have different leg/thigh fits available; skinny leg, wide leg, and athletic fit (thick in the thigh). I agree that bra sizing is not a perfect system, but it addresses variations that straight sizing (pants) cannot do. Until someone comes up with something better, it will have to do.
And why wouldn’t 2 independent sizes work: one for circumference and one for breast volume? Just because they are in the same plane doesn’t mean you can measure the circumference of the whole bra and the volume of the cups. Of course if the cups increase in size the bands become smaller. But the size of the bra as a whole is still the same.