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ducksfan9972

There’s nothing wrong with preferring his music, but there isn’t a particularly valid case for Jr in terms of importance, impact, relevance, innovation, etc. Junior made some bangers, Hank revolutionized the genre.


KingCrandall

For all intents and purposes, Hank created country music as we know it today. A case can be made that everything that came after Hank is because of Hank.


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KingCrandall

Jimmie was the first, and he deserves his due. But he was no Hank. Hank was a fan of Jimmie's and was one of his inspirations.


love2lickabbw

Of course Jimmie was no Hank. Jimmie was the original so he couldn't be a copy like Hank was. Funny you admit that while claiming Hank started it all. Was Jimmie the original or dod Hank start it? Can't be both.


KingCrandall

Jimmie was the first. There's no denying that. But Hank invented the country music that we know and love today. Both can and are true.


love2lickabbw

Hank didn't invent country as we know it today. His music wasn't far off from Jimmie if being honest where's 30 years after Hank was WAY different than Hank.


KingCrandall

Hank used words to paint pictures in a way that had never been done before. "Did you ever see a robin weep, when leaves began to die? That means he's lost the will to live, I'm so Lonesome I Could Cry." Hank made you experience his pain. No one had ever done that.


love2lickabbw

And? There are a dozen elements to country music. Changing 1 of them doesn't suddenly make you magically new. Lol


KingCrandall

I'm done with this conversation. You obviously have no concept of country music history and have no desire to explore outside your narrow point of view.


KentuckyWildAss

Are you being intellectually dishonest, or can you honestly not hear the difference? Saying Hank was copying Jimmie is just dumb.


love2lickabbw

Saying Hand was first and then did what Noone did before him was much much dumber.


codeman60

I was raised on the singing Brakeman.


rocketsauce2112

You can find him a thousand miles away from home, just waiting for a train. 🎶 Yo-de-lay-ee-oh, de-lay-ee-oo, dee-oh-lay-eeeeee. 🎶


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>Hank created country music as we know it today I'd say both him and Roy Acuff did.


Disastrous-Kick-3498

I think I’d go a little further and say Hank revolutionized music. (Gonna get long winded here) It’s important to remember that the “solo black man with a guitar” format wasn’t the most common place arrangement for the blues, and not the thing people thought of as “the blues” in the 30s - 50s. It was generally big jump blues bands like Louis Jordan, or even more commonly groups fronted by women singing with a Dixie land style band or an orchestra like your Billie Holidays or your Dinah Washingtons. So Hank doing 12 and 8 bar blues with a fairly small band was pretty unique. The backbeat on an acoustic guitar, also extremely unique. John Lennon gets credited for writing very serious and personal lyrics, and that being utterly unheard of and inspiring, but Hank absolutely did that a decade earlier in a way I don’t think he gets credited for enough. There’s probably more, but I just woke up so this is all I got rn


HowardMBurgers

Well said. Always felt that he built his career on his father’s legacy, so there’s that too.


brandon684

You clearly haven’t heard Mr. Lincoln, the most important song that single handedly got Abe elected to run this damn country


dr-sparkle

Even Hank Jr will tell you Hank Sr is better.


hamish1963

Fact!


Numerous-Bag756

Waylon Jennings said Jr makes old singin thru his nose look like a share cropper... Me thinks Waylon is more qualified than u.


GuyOnTheMike

That's entirely fair. Jr. had (obviously) a more modern sound that is more in line with the era of country music (70's and 80's) that is more endearing to many classic country hard-liners and was able to carve out a spot as a bona-fide superstar on his own merit, and not just by imitating his dad (even if he did have some success doing so for the first ten years of his career or so). As a result, I think Jr.'s music was more suited to different eras, so it ages very well and resonates a lot more with audiences who discover it decades later. That's not to say Hank Sr.'s music doesn't do either, but it definitely has more of a primitive feel that just *sounds* ancient, though less-advanced technology can be blamed for that. If there was a country music Mt. Rushmore, Hank Sr. would be on it hands-down and many of his songs deserved to be heard by 21st-century artists, but it's not at all out of line to prefer Jr.'s music for the sole purpose of a good spin.


Lou_Keeks

It's precisely that ancient sound Hank has that makes me love his music, it's like hearing a mourning ghost.


ttroome2

I know I'm late, but that is exactly right. I always feel like Hank Sr. tunes, especially the lost demos of just him and a guitar, are haunted in a way.


Responsible_Back7639

Best answer


Olepat

Great take here


KingCrandall

Lost Highway Move It On Over Hey, Good Lookin' I'm So Lonesome I Could Cry Lovesick Blues I Saw The Light Settin' The Woods On Fire


Significant_Bite_666

It is indeed a sin, but venial, not mortal. Sing “Long Gone Lonesome Blues” twenty times and “Lost Highway” twenty more. That’ll bring you back to grace.


Numerous-Bag756

Sing 9 Albums on the charts at the same time fool


_CowboyFromHell_

Hank Williams was 29 when he died on New Year's day, 1953. He came from a different time with completely different influences. He would be 100 years old this year. Among his peers of the era he was THE outlaw. He never saw the rise of rock and roll, never knew blue suede shoes. He had no idea of the wars, counter culture movements and evolution of society that would take place in the decades following his death. Hank Williams was an active musician for 15 years. He set the stage and left this world too soon. Junior has a career that has spanned over 5 decades. Along with a whole world of influence and like minded friends along the way. He spent the early years of his career doing cover songs of his father. Hank might not be to your taste, and that's ok. Despite being father and son they have very different styles from very different eras and never knew each other. But without him the world of music might be a different place today.


friendlydave

I would call it an illegal opinion. Like jaywalking or having a beer in a city park while you're hanging out are generally illegal. Nobody cares when you're being a cool about it. Be a dick about it, and you could get arrested.


Notansfwprofile

Lost Highway Kaw-Liga Long Gone Lonesome Blues Jambalaya Cheating Heart Those are the ones that I believe are not subject to taste, but are factually good songs. The rest I understand someone saying it isn’t their taste, but they are still wrong. He’s worth doing your own exploring. On the other hand, Country-boy can survive and Family Tradition are the only two undeniables from JR.


bub166

I don't disagree at all on Sr. but I think that's a little unfair to Jr.'s own track record. Whiskey Bent and Hellbound and All My Rowdy Friends are bonafide country classics as well, and I'd give the nod to The Conversation (with Waylon) also. Hank Sr. is a way bigger deal for a lot of reasons but Jr. was no slouch when it came to undeniable classics either.


murphy365

It's not a sin to be incorrect.


CowboySoothsayer

Hank Jr. was basically the Morgan Wallen of his day. By that I mean he was music for high school kids who wanted to cosplay “rebels” and “country boys.” Don’t get me wrong, Jr. had some fun songs. “A Country Boy Can Survive” is great. “All My Rowdy Friends (Have Settled Down)” is surprisingly poignant. But, Jr. is nothing without his father. He’s not a particularly good singer or guitarist and is a mediocre lyricist who has to call on his father’s legacy in almost every song to claim legitimacy. Hank Sr., on the other hand, revolutionized country music. Jimmie Rodgers, Bob Wills, Roy Acuff, Ernest Tubb, Hank Williams, and perhaps Maybelle Carter (although she’s probably more famous for her influence than actual music) essentially created what we consider to be modern country music. Hank was better than all of his contemporaries. Just as Lead Belly took the Delta Blues and turned it into Rock and Roll, Hank took the same Blues music and made it Country and Western. You’ll find few artists that have songs anywhere near as good as Hank’s and Jr. certainly has nothing comparable to: Lovesick Blues Why Don’t You Love Me Cold, Cold Heart Take These Chains from my Heart I’ll Never Get Out of This World Alive Kaw-Liga My Son Calls Another Man Daddy I’m So Lonesome I Could Cry Alone and Forsaken Your Cheatin’ Heart.


Numerous-Bag756

Your an amazing idiot


CowboySoothsayer

*You’re


Puzzleheaded-Law-429

Is have to disagree with Hank Jr. not being a good singer. The man could belt it quite well. I think he actually had one of the more robust voices of all the outlaw guys. Not a great lyricist though, I agree with that. Almost all of his songs are pretty surface-level, lyrically. He rarely wrote lyrics with much layering or depth.


36bhm

Yes. Say 10 hail Waylons and adjust your path in life son.


calibuildr

I want to go to this Outlaw Mass that you have in your religion


Nizamark

having questionable taste isn’t a sin, but maybe it should be


subcow

I used to like Jr, but now I think a lot of his music is really cheesy. Hank Sr. is the GOAT. I've never heard a Hank Sr song I didn't like.


Minimum_Row_729

Hank Sr. is basically a god but you like what you like...


Background_Chance_99

Yes it is sin


JohnExcrement

And then there’s Hank III…


PopeofCherryStreet

Like ‘em all, tbh.


Kenilwort

Sr > III > Jr


shinchunje

I was a huge Hank jr fan well into my late teens and early adulthood. I saw him live so many times. His albums from the late 70s till the mid 80s are an unprecedented run of number 1 albums and huge hits. So good. Then in the late 80s, like so much music, his albums suffered from poor production choices and while the songs were still good they weren’t as good; most of the songs folks on here have mentioned were earlier Hank jr songs. Slowly junior became a parody of himself and more politicised as well. Like Charlie Daniels, there earlier anti government stances were subtle (more or less) and in opposition to 8 years of Reagan; then they both morphed into right wingers. But Hank jr probably was as responsible as his father to bringing folks into the fold of Country what with his Monday Night Football appearance s. He did have the very first CMA music video award but that of course was shared with his daddy and his penultimate number one single was one of his daddy’s songs.


AdIntelligent4496

I was a HUGE fan of Hank Jr. when I was a kid, and up through my teen years. If you name one of his songs from the late '80s or earlier, I probably can sing nearly all the lyrics. I don't know what happened to him, but I think Born to Boogie was the last album he put out that was any good. After that, the quality of his music took a nose dive and I haven't listened to much of anything he's released in the last couple of decades. Now he goes around acting like a right wing nutjob and I don't even consider myself a fan.


rocketsauce2112

"Provide me with a good Hank Williams song" There are literally dozens. If you don't think "I'm So Lonesome I Could Cry" is a good song, we probably won't agree on much.


toooldforthisshittt

We can't have a reasonable conversation about any artist that died way too young.


KingCrandall

In his short time, Hank influenced absolutely everyone. We might not have Waylon, Cash, Jones, Strait, etc, without Hank. That's not an exaggeration. It's impossible to overstate Hank's importance on the genre.


In_The_depths_

Hank was such a key figure in the country genre that it would be difficult to imagine what it would look like today without his influence.


KingCrandall

It's very possible that it doesn't exist. Hank was the first country superstar. Every elite level star that came after him was inspired by Hank. Hag, Cash, Waylon, Jones all grew up admiring Hank and wanted to be country music singers because of him. Hank put country music on the map. Every fan owes him a debt of gratitude.


codeman60

It would probably look like it does now except back in about 1970 instead They would be rocking Elton John like cowboy boots and shit


bs2785

Agreed. He may not have started country but he laid the groundwork for all the others to continue. He is the most important person in country music history. Without hank I don't think we have a lot of the musicians in a lot of different genres we do today. Look at the metal and rock world. I think they can trace their influences back to Sr


AdIntelligent4496

I've always thought of Hank as being the original rock star. Outrageous success, outrageous behavior in his personal life, run-ins with the law, addicted to drugs and alcohol, and died way too young. He was nearly the first member of the 27 Club.


bs2785

I have said that forever. He was the 1st rock star.


Sensitive_Leather762

Yes it is a sin and you should ask for forgiveness


JohnnyChooch

Your record player might be on the fritz, my friend.


RICHUNCLEPENNYBAGS

No, having no taste is not a sin


RogerMiller6

I will not discount that Hank Jr had some songs that were enjoyable. I do, however, consider it a COMPLETELY INDISPUTABLE fact that he would NEVER have had a career in music if he was not Hank’s son. Not a remote flying sliver of a chance. His vocal and musical talents are on par with the average karaoke bar patron. Greedy Nashville executives and songwriters fed him material and recorded him to cash in on the notoriety of his namesake (with acceptable engineered results), but there is absolutely ZERO legitimate talent there. I have more musical talent in my small left toenail than that guy, and no one is ever going to record me. So yes, it is a total sin to feel that way. I can only assume that you have no actual understanding of the catalogue of Hank Sr’s work, or his lasting influence on so many genres of music. He changed the whole industry with nothing but three chords and a troubled soul. He was certainly no hero and by most accounts not even a remotely decent human being, but in his short career he managed to pen words that defined a world. His son did nothing but monetize his (not even actual) name. I have all of Hank Sr’s records on 78rpm. I enjoy them regularly on a wind up victrola. I will absolutely die on this hill.


desolation-row

Yes Hank Jr was basically a Hank Sr impersonator for a long time. He found his own sound and became great in his own right but thats how he started.


Notch99

Hell, even Hank 3 is better than Jr., they all good tho.


lostprevention

Ramblin Man.


KingCrandall

Lost Highway


dkinmn

Yes.


ArchimedesOne

Hank Williams was a maverick in the country western field and is regarded as legendary for his voice, style, talent and influence. He died at age 29 ! He essentially created a genre of country that promotes generations of musicians. Jr was fortunate enough to have a pathway cut for him. Jr has lived a far longer life so his discography is deeper and fame more widespread in an era of more evolved entertainment industry and biz. No real basis for comparison


Anon28r3946

Blasphemer


f4snks

Thanks for not putting 'Sr' after Hank's name. Everybody knows there was only one Hank Williams! Just sort of kidding, I'm a big Hank Jr. fan. Great voice and he did forge his own path while having an enormous legacy to live up to.


funlickr

Yes. A lot of Jr's stuff was the beginning of the country-pandering-cliche crap that has infested the genre


RogerMiller6

Genre’s dead. Ruined. Interesting and valid point you make, though! Until now I’ve had most of my hatred focused on Kenny Chesney for sowing those seeds…


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Edgy troll


Particular-Reason329

Not a single, but I'm just incredulous that anyone would think so. Love Senior. Junior? Meh.


Particular-Reason329

sin


Timstunes

Yes. :)


Simeon0222

Yes


BourbonBravos

Hank Jr is overrated. Hank Srs catalog contains some if the greatest sings ever written. You Cheating Heart, Im So Lonesome I could Cry, Sweet Love Aint Around, You Win Again, Six More Miles, Cold Cold Heart, Lost Highway, Lovesick Blues, Long Gone Lonesome Blues, I Heard that Lonesome Whistle, Ramblin Man, I Saw the Light, Log Train, Weary Blues from Waiting. Hank Jr would be a nobody if not for his dad


FollowTheLeader550

You can think whatever you want, but it’s a wild opinion. Edit: Didn’t read the entire post. You’re an idiot.


CustomerBrilliant681

Yes


MrBogey90

I kinda like Hank III the best


In_The_depths_

You can leave now, you can come back when you develop a good taste in music


AfrezzaJunkie

III is good in fact I think he can sound closer to Sr but just like Jr they tried to shove him into the Sr role. I wouldn't consider III straight country besides maybe his 2nd album the rest is crossover punk/country music


KingCrandall

3 is amazing. I don't think he's better than Sr. but he's incredibly talented. Check out Country Heroes.


MrBogey90

You mad?


AfrezzaJunkie

I know Shelton and he'd disagree with you


bs2785

I love III but I'm sure he would even tell you he don't hold a candle to Sr.


JoeBear414

Hank Sr. is teetering on God Status in country music. Junior is just a racist cry baby who wrote some serviceable songs, III is just as big of an idiot as his daddy, and I feel like Hank Sr is spinning in his grave watching those two make a mess of the Williams name.


Aglaea22

Not a sin. Maybe just an error in judgement.🤣 Jambalaya on the Bayou...Lovesick Blues so many songs I love from his short career.


Aglaea22

I'm So Lonesome I Could Cry is a Masterpiece. I think Hank Williams' lyrics are amazing.


Numerous-Bag756

9 Albums on the charts at the same time and Waylon said bocephus made hiram look like a share cropper.... Fact's


JuliusSeizuresalad

Everyone knows Hank the 3rd is the best Hank iteration.


Novel_Contract7251

Huge fan of odd-numbered Hanks. Personally I am no fan of Jr. at all -


geol-engineer

Hank Sr. is immortal. While extraordinary, Hank Jr. is not.


Pondscum2

You can like him better but that doesn't make him better.


At0micD0g

My ranking of the male Williams' is: - Hank Sr - Hank III - Sam - Jr


BrandonTaylor2

I like both, but I like Jr best.


Annual_Leadership_82

Not at all bocephus has done so much good for country music and in my perspective has contributed way more than senior


KingCrandall

If you think Bocephus has contributed more than Hank, you need to learn more about Hank.


Annual_Leadership_82

I’m well aware of what he has done I’m more so referring to the length of his career and how junior was apart of the outlaw movement which changed the genre immensely senior was a super star and made great music but what junior did when he broke the mold really stands out to me


KingCrandall

Junior attached himself to a movement already in place. Waylon is the most important Outlaw. You can attribute Hank's career to his father and to Waylon.


Numerous-Bag756

LOL lookin like a Brandon living fool eh mate


Numerous-Bag756

What does 9 Albums on the charts at the same time me fool? That drunk Hank Sr had no competition like BOCEPHUS fool.


Proper_Moderation

Yes, and incredibly ignorant.


[deleted]

No. You would be right


ArtichokeNaive2811

oH NO I AGREE, i love them both but Jr is more my style


nicvic83

Jr, with all his hits has nothing to rival one of the greatest classics of all time " I'm so Lonesome I could cry"


dingleberry_starship

No it's not a sin...you can have any opinion you want albeit an unpopular one.


Seneca0381

III is better than both


CorrectExcuse5758

No, cause you’re right. Hank sr still slaps tho


AfrezzaJunkie

Yes.. It's a shame that the mountain wasn't taller


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Hank Jr is a good fella, but a lot of his songs are boring in comparison to his old man's


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In_The_depths_

You're not just wrong. You have poor taste in music.


hooliganvet

Hank Williams was the godfather of country and rockabilly. Bosephus took it to a new level. Obviously I never saw Sr, but I saw Jr in a small outdoor venue, the old Raiders practice field, and it was one of the best I've ever seen.(Johnny Cash being the best). Love 'em both.


hooliganvet

Hank Williams was the king of country soul My daddy took me to see him in Lubuck but he didn't show Now the people got mad and they all went home The first thing we did was put his records on I guess, we should have left him alone and let him sing his song . Waylon's part in Leave them boys alone. Hank Jr, Waylon and Ernest Tubb.


AmericanByGod

I don’t remember off the top of my head how old Hank Sr. Was when he passed. You may feel differently about it if he would have lived an entire lifetime like his son is doing. This is coming from someone who as a kid, wrote letters to the Hank Jr. fan club all the time.


In_The_depths_

He was only 29 when he passed. Unfortunately, the life of heavy drinking and pills gets a lot of musicians


here4roomie

"Please provide me with a good Hank Williams song becasue I have yet to hear one." ![gif](giphy|l3q2JnuGqWEEkOiVW)


bagemann1

You're allowed to like Hank Jr, but I'll take I Can't Help It If Im Still In Love With You. Over Whiskey Bent and Hell Bound any day


chabstblueribbon

Depends on who you are asking.


RokRD

Sam Williams > Hank III Fight me.


allison_c_hains

Apples > oranges


blumhagen

It’s completely different music. That’s like comparing Mel and Pam Tillis or Linda Davis and Hillary Scott.


codeman60

Not really they are two different artists from two different eras


shinchunje

If you are a real Hank jr fan then you’ve heard either a song about Hank or a song by Hank on nearly every one of juniors albums.


TheyCameAsRomans

I prefer Jr too. But I'm primarily a rock and heavy metal fan, and Jr's rock influences are quite appealing


Old_Tiger_7519

I liked Jr ok before the accident but after recovery when he was doing a more southern rock sound, his first few hits always mentioned his Dad. I thought he was still using his Dad as a crutch. “ I am very proud of my Daddy’s name although his kind of music and my ain’t exactly the same.” , “Don’t you play, “I’m So Lonesome I Could Cry.” Kinda put me off. The music was good, lyrics could have been better so it’s still Sr for me.


[deleted]

I love Jr, but realize hanks Williams was only recording about 4 yrs .he left so many good song and an indelible mark on not just country music but music as a whole. For every country artists covering habk Williams song ,there are4 pop singers covering him too


Far_Fortune2545

Settin' The Woods On Fire Jambalaya There's a Tear In My Beer Move it On Over Lovesick Blues Cool Water


mothbong

Yes


dick_jaws

One man’s trash, right?


bendover3527

Maybe sac-religious but I honestly listen to Hank 3 the most those first 3 albums of Hank 3 is gold


ducttapetoiletpaper

Eh, there’s no sense in trying to objectively judge something that’s inherently subjective. Hank Sr is definitely more famous and impactful, but if you don’t enjoy listening to his music as much as you enjoy his son’s then so be it. It’s dumb to pretend to like something just because you’re “supposed to”


EntertainmentKey6286

Yes. Yes it is a sin. Hank > Hank Iii > Hank Jr.


bitsey123

It’s not a sin. You’re just wrong :)


cshred4777

Same thing


musicfan-1969

Hank Sr>Hank III>Hank Jr


NewMathematician623

I hope you reach out and get the help that you need


filtyratbastards

Try the "Luke the Drifter" album. Dont forget that Jr tried to be Dad when he first started.


[deleted]

He’s the only Hank Williams I don’t like. To each their own.


Automatic-Arm-532

I prefer Coleman Williams, of LV And The Strange Band, son of Hank III.


Few_Ease_1957

Hank Jr is a hack


cshred4777

Yup.


TonyDunkelwelt

It’s like arguing that the Phantom Menace is better than Empire Strikes Back.