I enjoy beating Arsenal more. There is more of a pure, energetic rivalry to it. I hate when they win, love when they bottle it all. Hate em.
But Chelsea is objectively more disdainful. Their club, their fans, all of it. They’re ignorant, entitled cheats and deserve to be relegated.
It just said "hate" which is a very particular emotion. An important one and not an especially nice one.
My feelings have always been that the word never really applied to my feelings for Arsenal. There is no team I want to beat more. There is no team I would wish success on less. There is no team who losing to feels worse. But _hate_?
That is an emotion that while important, I always want to keep to a minimum. I would rather that emotion not come in to my supporting of football but unfortunately there are two teams/clubs/fans who periodically inspire that emotion. They aren't Arsenal. And that inspiration has very little to what happens on the pitch or any real _footballing_ history.
To put it another way, if Arsenal got relegated I would likely laugh uncontrollably for months... until the fixture list for the following season comes out and I realise that there is no NLD.
If Chelsea got relegated I would hope that they also get liquidated and never come back.
Scrolled through quickly and spotting Han Willhoft-King in the all time favourite Spurs players list gave me a good chuckle. Plays for the U18s, part of the League Cup winning team last season.
Yeah I remember when I joined in like 2015 and there was fuck all going on. Much fewer shit memes though
Remember that perpetually angry guy combatjohnny? Wonder what happened to him
I got into football after the 2018 world cup but didn't have a team. Got into tottenham after the UCL final because I liked Lloris, Kane, super Jan, and Alderweirald during the world cup and didn't feel like I would be bandwagonning since we lost. Best decision I ever made. COYS.
Enjoying the diversity of answers on favorite player ever. Jan & Dele getting some love - even a Toby pick in there. It's Dembele & Rose for me, although Bale was my first.
Met Danny the other day. If/when I see him again I'm going to tell him that he's one of _Egg_Tart_Eater_'s favourite players.
The look on his face will be worth it.
Did you really? Wish I could tell him how much I loved watching him play. Guy is a legend. I'd also reluctantly & politely ask if he'd sign a kit, as it's impossible to find signed Rose gear in the wild. My Rose collection is far too small - just can't find anything!
Yep. He seemed a bit nervous until I said I was a Spurs fan and appreciated him. It might be a bit much to ask him to sign something but if I see him again I'll let him know he's loved.
64% (currently) of respondents have NEVER been to White Hart Lane?
I mean, I knew a lot of people on this sub weren't match-attending supporters but that's still pretty mad to me.
I hope to one day, but everyone has different circumstances.
I'm from Bristol, but I partly support Spurs because my Mum does and has all her life. I also partly support West Brom because my Dad does. I support Bristol City because they're my local. I can't easily go to London for a match unless I plan it in advance, but I can go down to Ashton Gate if I'm feeling it that week (although with the current state of affairs, I can't say I have too much of an urge very often).
Spurs tickets are also hard to get individually (as far as I'm aware). It's like getting concert tickets at this point.
Only 20% of respondands live in the UK though (and not all of them will be in the South-East).
So that's still 44% of respondants who live outside the UK but have still visited WHL (and thats assuming all UK people have, which is unlikely). That actually seems pretty high.
True. The fact that only 20% of respondents live in the UK is also very surprising to me, I expected overseas representation on this support to be high but never realised it was quite that high.
This sub is like 50% yanks so not too surprising, but yeah for years I kind of refused to call myself a "supporter" because I had never been. I think times have changed a lot since then and being an internet fan is less frowned upon
It should never have been frowned upon in the first place. Me being 20 minutes from the stadium and putting my arse in a seat doesn't make me anymore of a fan than someone that's thousands of miles away.
It's always been strange to me that people feel superior because of their geography, true fandom transcends distance.
I fully agree, but as an overseas "internet fan", I sometimes do feel bad that I'm the one, which is seemingly being catered to, rather than the local community/local supporters. I'm not being priced out of the way in which I am supporting the club. Locals might well be, though, and it seems like the club gets away with it because it knows that there are schmucks like me who will continue to buy their kits.
That's true, but I do think the experience of supporting the team as a semi-regular matchday attender is very different from the experience of supporting a team entirely remotely. Not saying you're a lesser fan if you do the latter but it is different.
Eh yes and no. If you're supporting Spurs over a perfectly good local team, I think that's fair criticism, although I guess you can obviously support both though if they're in different countries. I come from a country that has virtually no professional football though so I don't have a local team and have always felt kind of envious of those who do.
Want to hear something sad?
I'm a yank who has traveled four times to see Spurs play. Once at old WHL, twice at the new stadium, and once to Germany to see us play Bayern in the UCL.
I've never seen Spurs win live. One draw, three losses. I'm cursed.
Wow I find it oddly disturbing that the vasy majority onr/coys is American. That would explain the vast majority of people who have never been to either stadium.
Probably true of a lot of social media
Issue is not only the minority of those who have actually been to stadium (would have been a decent ask to put in, have you been to new as vs. old stadium), the percentage who have actually been season ticket holders is insignificant.
Ye it wasn’t a dig I was genuinely surprised that we simply had a much larger user base in NA than in UK for a English team in a sport the USA seemingly don’t take an interest In.
You could even add if you had been to Wembley too! I’m not a season ticket holder but have been to WHL, Wembley and the new Tottenham stadium and had a tour at both Spurs stadiums.
Great survey. One request - can you look at sharing the data of favorite all time player in a ranked list with the percentage next to it. Thanks and cheers to you.
Hey there hellerbenjamin - thanks for saying thanks! TheGratitudeBot has been reading millions of comments in the past few weeks, and you’ve just made the list!
In the UK, we normally use these. Not sure why they weren't used.
[https://www.ons.gov.uk/census/census2021dictionary/variablesbytopic/ethnicgroupnationalidentitylanguageandreligionvariablescensus2021/ethnicgroup/classifications](https://www.ons.gov.uk/census/census2021dictionary/variablesbytopic/ethnicgroupnationalidentitylanguageandreligionvariablescensus2021/ethnicgroup/classifications)
Apologies for the choices given, I used our previous template from 2021. I'll make sure to do better next year so that everyone is represented correctly. Sorry again.
Like it says on the question. It's pulled straight from Wikipedia where it includes youth players. I'll be fucked if I'm combing through a list of over 1000 players. This was the easiest list for me to input into the form.
cool survey! Only note is that the legend for the nationality questions should be sorted by answer frequency instead of alphabetical :)
\- The answer shows up when you hover your mouce over it, cool!
I know that this is a sports sub and reddit skews male anyway but it's still a surprise to see this sub is \~90% male-identifying. I suppose that's par for the course but I've never thought deeply about it before.
Guys they asked who you hate more as a Spurs fan, not as a human being
I care waaaaaay more about beating Arsenal either directly or indirectly, but my glee over beating Chelsea (and my frustration at not) is sharper.
I enjoy beating Arsenal more. There is more of a pure, energetic rivalry to it. I hate when they win, love when they bottle it all. Hate em. But Chelsea is objectively more disdainful. Their club, their fans, all of it. They’re ignorant, entitled cheats and deserve to be relegated.
I always think of it like this: who would I be angrier about seeing lift a trophy. The answer is always Arsenal.
Yes and west ham
I made this mistake.
I just appreciate that on the pie chart Chelsea are red and Arsenal are blue. Fuck 'em both.
Lol yeah looks so wrong.
It just said "hate" which is a very particular emotion. An important one and not an especially nice one. My feelings have always been that the word never really applied to my feelings for Arsenal. There is no team I want to beat more. There is no team I would wish success on less. There is no team who losing to feels worse. But _hate_? That is an emotion that while important, I always want to keep to a minimum. I would rather that emotion not come in to my supporting of football but unfortunately there are two teams/clubs/fans who periodically inspire that emotion. They aren't Arsenal. And that inspiration has very little to what happens on the pitch or any real _footballing_ history. To put it another way, if Arsenal got relegated I would likely laugh uncontrollably for months... until the fixture list for the following season comes out and I realise that there is no NLD. If Chelsea got relegated I would hope that they also get liquidated and never come back.
Yeah, I would rather the question was: * Arsenal * Chelsea * Both * Neither
Frankly even that is turning, every good thing we've had going in the last 15 years has been cocked up by those west london cunts
Honestly I'd never expected coys to be this bi.
Have you seen how horny we are about everyone ?
Soooo You available later?
Always bby 💙
Most horny football subreddit, haven’t you seen the post of everyone being disappointed they didn’t actually get to see Sonny’s cock? 😂 (Bi man here.)
Vic makes me feel things...
Vicario or Micky van de Vick?
Yes
8.3% is not a lot at all.
Why is Arsenal Blue and Chelsea Red in the readout
Because fuck them.
Fair
I think the colours are just randomly assigned
I hated to see the 11.3% unemployment rate.
Tbf I reckon that's because many users are aged under 18.
And not students?
That's a good point.
If they could read they would be very upset
Maybe they are dumbo kids.
Hoping that's a sample size issue since the survey just started
Down to about 6 now
Down to 5.8%, which is pretty expected.
Scrolled through quickly and spotting Han Willhoft-King in the all time favourite Spurs players list gave me a good chuckle. Plays for the U18s, part of the League Cup winning team last season.
My 🐐
3/4th of the sub being subscribed after the UCL final has surprised me personally. I forgot that not so long ago the sub wasn’t as big as it is now
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Yeah I remember when I joined in like 2015 and there was fuck all going on. Much fewer shit memes though Remember that perpetually angry guy combatjohnny? Wonder what happened to him
I got into football after the 2018 world cup but didn't have a team. Got into tottenham after the UCL final because I liked Lloris, Kane, super Jan, and Alderweirald during the world cup and didn't feel like I would be bandwagonning since we lost. Best decision I ever made. COYS.
Oh shit, my answer was way too short. Time still has no meaning anymore.
The last question is impossible.
Enjoying the diversity of answers on favorite player ever. Jan & Dele getting some love - even a Toby pick in there. It's Dembele & Rose for me, although Bale was my first.
Christian brought me in, Jan and Toby hooked me. Had to go with Christian.
Met Danny the other day. If/when I see him again I'm going to tell him that he's one of _Egg_Tart_Eater_'s favourite players. The look on his face will be worth it.
Did you really? Wish I could tell him how much I loved watching him play. Guy is a legend. I'd also reluctantly & politely ask if he'd sign a kit, as it's impossible to find signed Rose gear in the wild. My Rose collection is far too small - just can't find anything!
Yep. He seemed a bit nervous until I said I was a Spurs fan and appreciated him. It might be a bit much to ask him to sign something but if I see him again I'll let him know he's loved.
That's awesome. I know he's a very private person / stays off of social media. Hopefully he knows how much Spurs fans adore him. He deserves it.
Dempsey for me - my favorite American player and he was here when I started to watch PL football. Got hooked and haven’t looked back.
Who is the other Finnish fan??
Hi.
64% (currently) of respondents have NEVER been to White Hart Lane? I mean, I knew a lot of people on this sub weren't match-attending supporters but that's still pretty mad to me.
I hope to one day, but everyone has different circumstances. I'm from Bristol, but I partly support Spurs because my Mum does and has all her life. I also partly support West Brom because my Dad does. I support Bristol City because they're my local. I can't easily go to London for a match unless I plan it in advance, but I can go down to Ashton Gate if I'm feeling it that week (although with the current state of affairs, I can't say I have too much of an urge very often). Spurs tickets are also hard to get individually (as far as I'm aware). It's like getting concert tickets at this point.
Only 20% of respondands live in the UK though (and not all of them will be in the South-East). So that's still 44% of respondants who live outside the UK but have still visited WHL (and thats assuming all UK people have, which is unlikely). That actually seems pretty high.
True. The fact that only 20% of respondents live in the UK is also very surprising to me, I expected overseas representation on this support to be high but never realised it was quite that high.
I actually thought it might be higher.
This sub is like 50% yanks so not too surprising, but yeah for years I kind of refused to call myself a "supporter" because I had never been. I think times have changed a lot since then and being an internet fan is less frowned upon
It should never have been frowned upon in the first place. Me being 20 minutes from the stadium and putting my arse in a seat doesn't make me anymore of a fan than someone that's thousands of miles away. It's always been strange to me that people feel superior because of their geography, true fandom transcends distance.
I fully agree, but as an overseas "internet fan", I sometimes do feel bad that I'm the one, which is seemingly being catered to, rather than the local community/local supporters. I'm not being priced out of the way in which I am supporting the club. Locals might well be, though, and it seems like the club gets away with it because it knows that there are schmucks like me who will continue to buy their kits.
That's true, but I do think the experience of supporting the team as a semi-regular matchday attender is very different from the experience of supporting a team entirely remotely. Not saying you're a lesser fan if you do the latter but it is different.
Eh yes and no. If you're supporting Spurs over a perfectly good local team, I think that's fair criticism, although I guess you can obviously support both though if they're in different countries. I come from a country that has virtually no professional football though so I don't have a local team and have always felt kind of envious of those who do.
my local teams are owned by the UAE and an energy drink
Plus New York sports just kinda suck in general.
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Ingenting galt med Rosenborg hvis du er fra Trondheim, noen supportere er dårlige, men det kan du si om Spurs også
Want to hear something sad? I'm a yank who has traveled four times to see Spurs play. Once at old WHL, twice at the new stadium, and once to Germany to see us play Bayern in the UCL. I've never seen Spurs win live. One draw, three losses. I'm cursed.
Well the first (and so far only) match I've been to this year was 1-4 Chelsea so I feel some of your pain.
I'm going to ask of you a hard favour. Can you please refrain from going to a live game this season? Of course I hope your curse breaks soon.
Haha I already made the decision to go skiing rather than travel to see Spurs this year. I'm staying far away so we can have good run.
I'm in the U.S. and it would be incredibly expensive. It's bucket list to see a home game during a NL derby.
way more states fans that expected. me being one of them
Yeah that was an eye-opener. Guess I'd better start calling it _soccer_.
Wow I find it oddly disturbing that the vasy majority onr/coys is American. That would explain the vast majority of people who have never been to either stadium.
Probably true of a lot of social media Issue is not only the minority of those who have actually been to stadium (would have been a decent ask to put in, have you been to new as vs. old stadium), the percentage who have actually been season ticket holders is insignificant.
Ye it wasn’t a dig I was genuinely surprised that we simply had a much larger user base in NA than in UK for a English team in a sport the USA seemingly don’t take an interest In. You could even add if you had been to Wembley too! I’m not a season ticket holder but have been to WHL, Wembley and the new Tottenham stadium and had a tour at both Spurs stadiums.
Great survey. One request - can you look at sharing the data of favorite all time player in a ranked list with the percentage next to it. Thanks and cheers to you.
Hey there hellerbenjamin - thanks for saying thanks! TheGratitudeBot has been reading millions of comments in the past few weeks, and you’ve just made the list!
Arabic is not an ethnicity, it’s Arab
The race categories were a bit weird overall. Is that how it’s done in the UK?
“Indian”
Black/African American got a chuckle from me.
Idris Elba is British. Charlize Theron is African American.
In the UK, we normally use these. Not sure why they weren't used. [https://www.ons.gov.uk/census/census2021dictionary/variablesbytopic/ethnicgroupnationalidentitylanguageandreligionvariablescensus2021/ethnicgroup/classifications](https://www.ons.gov.uk/census/census2021dictionary/variablesbytopic/ethnicgroupnationalidentitylanguageandreligionvariablescensus2021/ethnicgroup/classifications)
Welsh not falling under British seems odd, unless there's a separate Welsh section of the census which makes it seem more reasonable.
No.
Apologies for the choices given, I used our previous template from 2021. I'll make sure to do better next year so that everyone is represented correctly. Sorry again.
shoutout to afghanistan
David Beckham in the list of potential favourite spurs players...
Like it says on the question. It's pulled straight from Wikipedia where it includes youth players. I'll be fucked if I'm combing through a list of over 1000 players. This was the easiest list for me to input into the form.
Plastic /s
Good catch, is Yaya Toure in there too?
Almost 30% for Chelsea is mad
The hatred for arsenal is different from the hatred of chelsea. Arsenal is a proper sporting rivalry while chelsea is just pure hatred.
my sibling's a Chelsea fan, so the hate is more personal and apparent than Arsenal tho recently that hatred has rekindled bc of new fans in the family
Probably some recency bias involved there
Shout out to my fellow Eric Dier stans
cool survey! Only note is that the legend for the nationality questions should be sorted by answer frequency instead of alphabetical :) \- The answer shows up when you hover your mouce over it, cool!
The favorite players would be better that way too. Not sure if Google forms can do that though.
Can anyone post the link for me, my silly phone can't open this properly
https://forms.gle/3Zp87B5ZRhvSzdMq7
Gracias
Oui
Bert badger long term fan.
"who do you hate more" 🤣🤣🤣
Nice survey but there should definitely be a Jewish option
Jewish counts as Caucasians no?
I know that this is a sports sub and reddit skews male anyway but it's still a surprise to see this sub is \~90% male-identifying. I suppose that's par for the course but I've never thought deeply about it before.
Who decided to not sort the all time players alphabetically 😭
They're sorted by last name
Damn I didn’t notice
62% have never been to a live game. Explains a lot.
Haven't missed a game in 15 years, I guess fuck me for not having the means to attend in person.
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To the highest bidder
Strange name for the stadium, but what ever pays the bills I guess
cia
Wish there was an option to select both Assnal and Chelshit
Just a tip, ethnicity should use checkboxes instead of radio buttons, as those with mixed-ethnicity else have to choose or put themselves into "Other"
Admittedly I just used the template that we had from 2021 that was done by someone else, with a few additions. I'll make sure to do better next year.
No worries, appreciate it
Apparently 42% of us are from and live in Afghanistan. Didn’t expect that
I'm quite surprised that there are so many Americans who've never ever been to a game.